36-48 Tier Alterations

[nick1689]

48 Points
Byakuya Kuchiki
Mayuri Kurotsuchi
Tōshirō Hitsugaya
Yoruichi Shihōin
Soi Fon

42 Points
Final Form Ishida
Hachigen Ushōda
Neliel Tu Oderschvank

36 Points
Ichigo Kurosaki (Bankai)
Szayel Aporro Granz
Nnoitra Jiruga (Unreleased)
Grimmjow Jeagerjaques (Unreleased)
Zaraki Kenpachi (Eyepatch removal and Kendo banned)

Use this thread for discussion and alteration of tiers 36-48

IMO:

Not really sure where to place Soi Fon with her Bankai, considering that in this tier list it's a one hit kill

And we need to discuss Hachi, about his restrictions, Vaizard mask etc etc

[Franky]

Mayuri would live through it, and Hachi can contain it. I say it merits 48.

Mayuri was a joke, Hachi is serious...

Btw, what about moving down Mayuri? His Bankai is a glass cannon, as it may be able to spread Poison, but with the ranges here it's very hard to actually get them with it before they one shot it, and then even if they are affected, all they have to do is kill Mayuri before they die.

[Candy]

szayel up
byakuya down


everthign else is cool

[nick1689]

Mayuri poison's is just to potent to move him down. Plus it's hard to kill the guy, since he has those regeneration antidote's

[Franky]

Mayuri poison's is just to potent to move him down. Plus it's hard to kill the guy, since he has those regeneration antidote's

He can't regenerate his head. Too potent? It may be deadly, but people have managed to live for a little while before it killed them

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

First and foremost, swap Nel and Ichigo's positions.

[Brandon Heat]

Neliel down a tier
Szayel up a tier

[nick1689]

He can't regenerate his head. Too potent? It may be deadly, but people have managed to live for a little while before it killed them

Maybe Kenpachi, Noi, Grimm etc... but no one in this tier list, unless they have abilties that counter his, such as Ishida, Byakuya etc

[Candy]

Neliel down a tier
Szayel up a tier

nvm, szayel stays

[Franky]

Neliel down a tier
Szayel up a tier

Neliel is a maybe
Szayel is a yes

[Candy]

Szayel is a yes

Szayel is no, szayel is a no!

[Franky]

Szayel is a YES

And another one bites the dust~

[Candy]

Szayel is a YES

And another one bites the dust~

Mayuri stays:
Mayuri removed: Candy

:sun

[nick1689]

I really dont think Szayel needs to move, Candy jsut has to stop hyping him

Though I think we should ban him using his ink to spray on his teammates, who then only have to engage the enemy in close combat for the ink to work

[Brandon Heat]

Szayel and Rudobon will be an unbeatable combination if played right. :LOS

Szayel has too many abilities that people don't take into consideration. I think we should move him up but I wouldn't complain if he stays in his current tier.

[Franky]

I really dont think Szayel needs to move, Candy jsut has to stop hyping him

Though I think we should ban him using his ink to spray on his teammates, who then only have to engage the enemy in close combat for the ink to work

MAKE IT SO!!!!!

Now, a topic Sajin and I were discussing: Making Nemu and Mayuri a package deal, as Nemu can't do much on her own is usually supporting Mayuri anyway.

[Candy]

Though I think we should ban him using his ink to spray on his teammates, who then only have to engage the enemy in close combat for the ink to work

Please no :cry

[Franky]

Szayel and Rudobon will be an unbeatable combination if played right. :LOS

Szayel has too many abilities that people don't take into consideration. I think we should move him up but I wouldn't complain if he stays in his current tier.

I vote we move him up.

[Candy]

Szayel at 36:
Szayel at 1: Candy
Szayel at 42:

:capc

[nick1689]

Im tellin ya, we need to ban Szyael being able to cover his teammates in ink

edit: we're not voting yet. Just stop spamming

[Candy]

Im tellin ya, we need to ban Szyael being able to cover his teammates in ink

No we dont, I want bankai ichigo in ink :C

[Brandon Heat]

It's an attack and he shouldn't be able to use it on his own team.

[Candy]

It's an attack and he shouldn't be able to use it on his own team.

He should have vertality

Dont take away the one creative character in bleach


I will concead if we add base szayel :amuse

[Brandon Heat]

What does base Szayel bring to the table? :facepalm

No character should be able to attack their own team members. Like you can't have Mayuri place a mine on someone's back on a suicide mission.

[nick1689]

His ink alone is versatile, having him layer it on his teammates is jsut hax - he's already banned from using it to make clones of his teammates, he should just outright not be able to put it on his teammates

He can stay at 36 with this restriction, if not, move him up

[Franky]

Now, a topic Sajin and I were discussing: Making Nemu and Mayuri a package deal, as Nemu can't do much on her own is usually supporting Mayuri anyway.

This.

Nemu is basically just his tool anyway, as the only time she is ever seen is with Mayuri, and it's always just supporting him, as if she's all that good at it. Plus, the only reason people buy her is for Mayuri antidote, and with the 56 and 62 tiers gone, it become much more practical just to buy Shikai Mayuri cause you get Mayuri's Shikai, Wall Melding, Superhuman drug, Regenerative Serum, ect, Infinate Antidotes, ect, while all you get for Nemu is one Antidote and a Shit Character.

So, in the end, Both Mayuri and Shikai Mayuri should come with Nemu, as she is just his tool anyway.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

I agree that we should ban Szayel from inking his teammates and cloning them. It should have been done before T1, so we need to rectify that now.

Mayuri can come with Nemu. His Shikai form is lacking in physical power and she's only good for a body+antidote. To be safe we can trial it.

[Brandon Heat]

Stop trying to pair characters together. Either remove Nemu or keep her. Mayuri is already fine without having another character added to him.

[Franky]

Stop trying to pair characters together. Either remove Nemu or keep her. Mayuri is already fine without having another character added to him.

Why not? She's just his tool, she's never beaten anyone, Mayuri just uses her for support, so there really isn't anything warranting her being on her own. She needs to just be added to Mayuri's moveset as his tool, because in the end he created her anyway, meaning that according to the rules, she IS in fact just one of his many weapons, therefore, she should've been a package with him in the first place.

[nick1689]

I agree that we should ban Szayel from inking his teammates and cloning them. It should have been done before T1, so we need to rectify that now.

Szayel cant clone his teammates, that's already banned. It's him placing ink on his teammates, who then enagage the enemy in close combat, spreading the ink to them that needs to be banned

[Brandon Heat]

Why doesn't Mayuri without Nemu merit 48 points?

[Franky]

Because he doesn't have the physical close combat to merit him being so high.

[Brandon Heat]

Who needs close range combat skills with poison?

[Franky]

The poison doesn't instant kill, and most people just get Shikai Mayuri do negate the poison.

[nick1689]

That's a stupid reason Franky. Not all people have to be top tier in every single facet of combat. His poison solo's very easily, definately with the right strat - simple as that.

And the poison is almsot instant kill. Did you see how fast it effected Szayel?

[Franky]

then move him down, cause most 36+ people will just pop his Bankai from long with some Kido

[e697]

Add zommari at 48. Add SS tosen at 48. Fine we can package nemu and mayuri.

[Brandon Heat]

Shikai Mayuri doesn't bring automatic immunity to poison. At most he has a couple of antidotes to the poison. Why would he carry an infinite supply of antidotes?

Kido won't destroy his Bankai. Unless someone has the strength of FF Ishida, his bankai won't die.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Szayel cant clone his teammates, that's already banned. It's him placing ink on his teammates, who then enagage the enemy in close combat, spreading the ink to them that needs to be banned

I added that for clarification.:sweatdrop

If we keep Nemu separate, people will bitch it's a cheap counter to Mayuri.
If we add Nemu to Mayuri, people will bitch Mayuri's overpowered.:gar

I thought Shikai Mayuri was underpowered in T1, but that could have been largely due to solo'ers (56/62/speed demons). Without them, he stacks up better relatively.

[e697]

Mayuri stays at 48 even without Nemu. He has solod me too many time. But seriously he can solo really easily.

[Sajin]

I don't see anything wrong with Szayel's ink to be honest.

Okay you have sacrificed bankai Ichigo to make clones of someone (say Byakuya), now what? They will still follow the original's movements and they will still explode when attempting to use a powerful technique/go bankai/switch bankai forms etc. I really don't see the problem here.

Szayel's best move is making voodoo dolls.

[nick1689]

then move him down, cause most 36+ people will just pop his Bankai from long with some Kido

LOL no. You cant just pop Mayuri bankai

Mayuri stays at 48 even without Nemu. He has solod me too many time. But seriously he can solo really easily.

Exacta

What do people think about restrciting Zommari's amor and adding him?

[e697]

Let szayel ink his team mates (not clone, just put ink on them); Thats totaly fine. Wait why would we add released zommari without amor? That is unreleased zommari. Add zommari, full. Maybe make it so he can only control one target, but thats all he needs for restrictions.

[Franky]

I still want Nemu to be packaged with Mayuri, otherwise she's worthless and is just an atidote whore.

[nick1689]

Not removing Amor, but ahving it so that he can only control one person at once

@Franky: that's why she needs to be removed. Thinking about it, id prefer jsut removing her

[Franky]

Fine, Fine, whatever... just remove her... see how long it takes me to blow the roof off this place with cheap antidote out of the picture

[Sajin]

The problem I have with Zommari is that he is very dangerous but a highly popular 20-pointer or a just as popular 48-pointer can pretty much reduce him to a 16-pointer status.

That's just as bad as Enel vs Luffy in OPBD from what I understand. So I think we shouldn't bother adding him.

[Franky]

Another point I wanna disucuss: Didn't FF Ishida rape Bankai Byakuya and Bankai Mayuri in the Tourney? Why are they still higher then him?

I think he fits better in the 48 tier, cause he can (in the tourney) crush some of them with moderate difficulty.

[nick1689]

The problem I have with Zommari is that he is very dangerous but a highly popular 20-pointer or a just as popular 48-pointer can pretty much reduce him to a 16-pointer status.

That's just as bad as Enel vs Luffy in OPBD from what I understand. So I think we shouldn't bother adding him.

That's no reason not to add him. There are always high chars who have weaknesses to low chars in most BDs. That's just how it is. Though if we restrict Amor to only being able to contorl one person at once, 42 would be good for him

[Franky]

Nick has managed to completely ignore me:sun

[Sajin]

Another point I wanna disucuss: Didn't FF Ishida rape Bankai Byakuya

It was more like "Byakuya can horribly rape Uryu in close combat but Vasto decided to make him fight at long range", so no.


and Bankai Mayuri in the Tourney? Why are they still higher then him?


Because Uryu is a great counter to Mayuri, just like Mayuri was a perfect counter for 100% Kenpachi, Nnoitra, Grimmjow, hell, everyone here will disagree with me but IMO he could rape Byakuya as well, his range is higher.

I think he fits better in the 48 tier, cause he can (in the tourney) crush some of them with moderate difficulty.

No, not really. You probably won't believe me because, well, I've won, but he is quite underrated. You should go read Darth's matches again for instance.

[nick1689]

Another point I wanna disucuss: Didn't FF Ishida rape Bankai Byakuya and Bankai Mayuri in the Tourney? Why are they still higher then him?

FF Ishida will always rape Mayruri, with the right strat, that's canon. Most chars have counters.

And Byakuya is a great coutner to Ishida, jsut that Vasto tried to fight the best long range fighter at long range - which is never smart. If you trap Ishida in Byakuya's little blade dome (forgot it's name), then byakuya would likely win

I think he fits better in the 48 tier, cause he can (in the tourney) crush some of them with moderate difficulty.

Maybe. But he doesnt last long in FF. He needs to be used right, or he'll just revert back to a powerless SS Ishida

[Sajin]

. If you trap Ishida in Byakuya's little blade dome (forgot it's name), then byakuya would likely win


And just how does he plan to do that if Uryu is constantly moving away from him? Byakuya is not (any) faster than Uryu to be able to go Annihilationscape and trap him just like this.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Reducing Amor to one target won't make a difference. Stealing the other team's >=30 pointer is still basically GG. Fodder can be dodged or killed.

I think Uryu is fine at 48. He's comparable to the rest of said tier.

[Sajin]

Most people thought released Grimmjow can wtfpwn FF Uryu in Hueco Mundo in like 10 seconds. That's enough to say that 48 tier is too high for him IMO.

[Brandon Heat]

Amor is a broken ability. We can say captains can dodge the ability, but we only saw that in a one on one fight. Anyone using Zommari will have fodder distract the enemy and have Zommari use Amor from range and kill the opponents team with ease.

[nick1689]

Yeh I guess so aye. Not sure if I wanna add SS Tousen as well

Though Shikai Ichigo at 10 or 12, and SS Shikai Tousen at 16 or so is a definate

[nick1689]

Im beginning to think that the 48 tier in general might be too high. I mean, Ichigo has it in him to take down Byakuya, and even Mayuri from range. Grimm is probably faster than most people. Nel can deal good damage as well. And a few people think that Byakuya couldnt even pierce Noi

Maybe having 42 points as the highest tier might be smart. Im just beginning the 48 tier is too high up from the 36 point tier

[Sajin]

...How can Ichigo possibly defeat Mayuri, even with a vizard mask!?

The poison spreads everywhere within 180m radius when Ichigo's GTs have like 100m range max. At best it can be a draw but a victory for Ichigo? Just no.

[Franky]

Most people thought released Grimmjow can wtfpwn FF Uryu in Hueco Mundo in like 10 seconds. That's enough to say that 48 tier is too high for him IMO.
errr... That's why you lost, amirite?

Yeah, you beat Released Grimmjow with FF Ishida. I think that says enough. You just want him to stay at 42 so that you can use him again.
...How can Ichigo possibly defeat Mayuri, even with a vizard mask!?

The poison spreads everywhere within 180m radius when Ichigo's GTs have like 100m range max. At best it can be a draw but a victory for Ichigo? Just no.
This is the first thing you've said that I've liked for a while now. You have redeemed my trust in you.:quite

[Sajin]

errr... That's why you lost, amirite?

Yeah, you beat Released Grimmjow with FF Ishida. I think that says enough. You just want him to stay at 42 so that you can use him again.


That's because I had Neliel as support while BlackSmoke had... Um... HM Uryu? yeah.

Nobody will ever use him at 48 I'm telling you. And no I wouldnt use him at 42 either most likely, 36+36 is more appealing atm.


This is the first thing you've said that I've liked for a while now. You have redeemed my trust in you.:quite

:hurr

[squilliam]

dunno if this has been said, but Nel goes up from 40, that is unless you guys agree to give her a time restriction on her released form

[Sajin]

She stays. Most people don't even think she can defeat bankai Ichigo one-on-one.

[squilliam]

Really? Which people?

anyways, that's not what it seemed like with all the "Nel is on par with Nnoitra" wanking that was going on in the Final match

no offense, Sajin

[Sajin]

IIRC Darth, Candy, you, Cthulhu, Janissary, DM - that's what I know for (almost) sure based on me vs Janissary match.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Unreleased Neliel was getting the better of Unreleased Nnoitra. She was clearly superior to Unreleased Noi when she released. That's why she should cost more than him.

Nel could be fine at 42. If we add a time limit or base form, it could be lowered.:hmm

I still think leaving B Ichigo on the 36 tier is a mistake.

[Sajin]

Unreleased Neliel was getting the better of Unreleased Nnoitra. She was clearly superior to Unreleased Noi when she released. That's why she should cost more than him.

Nel could be fine at 42. If we add a time limit or base form, it could be lowered.:hmm

I still think leaving B Ichigo on the 36 tier is a mistake.

Seconded. In fact, 36 tier absolutely owns as of now.

[Franky]

Mayuri solos the 36pt tier.:sun

[Candy]

Nel needs to go up to 42 not becuase people think shes weak, becuase people hype the crap out her. Did you guys see the finals

[nick1689]

Id be happy moving some people on the 42 tier up, such as Ichigo (he has to much versatility on that tier + good knowledge). IMO he would beat unreleased Grimm now, prob Noi, and definately Kenpachi (if played right)

[BlackSmoke]

Nel needs to go up to 42 not becuase people think shes weak, becuase people hype the crap out her. Did you guys see the finals

She put Noi on his knees and cracked his zanpaktou. No way does she warrant 36 points. If you want her to be 36 or lower give her a time restrictions. If a character such as PnD or Noi, Syazel have knowledge on her they should be able to tell their team her skull is fragile. Blows to her skull should cause her to lose power faster and make her revert back to a child! :mad


Edit: Syazel at 36 is a joke right? He has his release...move him up! At the least he merits the 42 value.

[e697]

I agree. Nel to 42.

[nick1689]

Nel's already at 42 :zaru

[BlackSmoke]

Thank God.

Hey if your using Nel....who has little panel time add Urahara.

No reason not too. Infact Nel is more dangerous then Ura by feats, Urahara warrants 36 at most. He wasn't crushing anyone with pure physical strength, one could argue his other attributes warrant the 42 though. Whatever

[nick1689]

No .

[Candy]

No .

I dont get whats up wiht you nick? his feats are beating yammy and haveing a GT go strait through his sheild. thats it for his fights, so unless we see something before the tournament starts then he can be added

[nick1689]

Sigh .

[Candy]

Sigh .

You're just doin pwerscaleing, he has no feats that warrant him not to be on this list

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

48 Points
Byakuya Kuchiki
Mayuri Kurotsuchi
Tōshirō Hitsugaya
Yoruichi Shihōin
Soi Fon

42 Points
Final Form Ishida
Hachigen Ushōda
Neliel Tu Oderschvank

36 Points
Ichigo Kurosaki (Bankai)
Szayel Aporro Granz
Nnoitra Jiruga (Unreleased)
Grimmjow Jeagerjaques (Unreleased)
Zaraki Kenpachi (Eyepatch removal and Kendo banned)

We've covered Nel and Ichigo. Both at 42.
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How about FF Uryu and Hachi currently at 42?

FF Uryu can't outright defeat most 48s excluding Mayuri. He should be able to defeat most 36s, but Nel and Ichi would give him a run for his money. 42 seems all right for him.

Hachi idk. He's pure support like Orihime.
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However, the 42 tiers can have a 20 tier Shikai Captain but the 48s can't.

1 Captain Bankai [48]
3 VCs [18]

1 Captain Bankai [42]
1 Captain Shikai [20]
1 VC [6]

I think this should be trialed after revising the tier lists.

[Candy]

We dont need a trail for DB :oh

Or is our tier list that messed up?

[nick1689]

We're completely changing the tier list, of course there is going to be a trial

We need to talk about hachi, but im too busy atm though. Ill bring it up later

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

We're changing the tier list. Why wouldn't we trial?

[nick1689]

He need to discuss banning Hitsu's HH, and moving him down to 42. HH is to overpowered for this tier list now

[Sajin]

What's there to discuss? Now we know it one-shotted Tia, by logic Hitsu could also pwn R1 Ulq like that. That's more than enough needed to ban this move.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Banning HH is fine with me. Pretty flowers are Byakuya's thing.:LOS

[Sajin]

Banning HH is fine with me. Pretty flowers are Charlotte's thing.:LOS

Fixed :sun

And now that I think about it, we should really put bankai Ichigo at 42.

[Franky]

I lol'd.:rotfl

And yes, Bankai Ichigo should be at 42

[Brandon Heat]

Not sure about having Hacchi for 36 points. He has shown amazing barrier and binding techniques. The 36 point tier might be a steal.

[Franky]

Meh. I'm using Mayuri again anyway:ho

[nick1689]

Again Franky? How boring.

We need to talk about allowing Hachi's mask, his ability to teleport things anywhere etc

[Brandon Heat]

Ban the technique. People will want to teleport opponent's swords into their heads.

[squilliam]

To add to that, I think it would be fair if we banned his mask.

It's not like he's a physical fighter anyways, and the boost that his kido gets from the mask is completely arbitrary, and thus would be subject to hype

[Sajin]

Ban the technique. People will want to teleport opponent's swords into their heads.

Damn you Brandon! :-( I actually wanted to teleport Szayel's ink on them.

[nick1689]

Yeh, teleportation should banned. What about his mask? It's not like it gives him a boost in speed or attack power, just a boost in his barriers it seems, its hard to tell

[squilliam]

Yeh, teleportation should banned. What about his mask? It's not like it gives him a boost in speed or attack power, just a boost in his barriers it seems, its hard to tell

exactly, and you don't even know how big of a boost it is

[Brandon Heat]

We shouldn't mess with mask because we don't know to what extent a mask boost a character abilities. From what we have seen, vizard mask are too strong for our tier list.

[squilliam]

so is 48 as high as we go? No released Noi or Grimm? no Kenpachi or Vizard Ichi?

I guess that thought behind it is that they solo?

[BlackSmoke]

I dont get whats up wiht you nick? his feats are beating yammy and haveing a GT go strait through his sheild. thats it for his fights, so unless we see something before the tournament starts then he can be added

Exacta
If Nell, FF Ishida, and others with little panel time get added why not Urahara? He isn't adding anything game breaking, if anything he adds strategy. He is a stronger captain level shikai Ichigo with high intelligence and shielding capabilities.

I would be happy to trial Hachi. I know a great team which can abuse his binding~

[nick1689]

so is 48 as high as we go? No released Noi or Grimm? no Kenpachi or Vizard Ichi?

I guess that thought behind it is that they solo?

Yep, pretty much

And im happy with banning hachi's mask

[Franky]

Again Franky? How boring.

We need to talk about allowing Hachi's mask, his ability to teleport things anywhere etc
Boring? You dare to think Mayuri is boring?

Who are you to call such a genius boring?

With FF Ishida being raised, Mayuri will break you all in two after you succumb to his mighty poisons!

My prophecy shall come to fruition, Nick, and without the 56 and 62pt tiers to put me down, Mayuri-sama's intelect will truly be allowed to run rampant throughout the entire tourney!

Exacta
If Nell, FF Ishida, and others with little panel time get added why not Urahara? He isn't adding anything game breaking, if anything he adds strategy. He is a stronger captain level shikai Ichigo with high intelligence and shielding capabilities.
This man is smart. +reps for you.:quite

[nick1689]

Boring? You dare to think Mayuri is boring?

Who are you to call such a genius boring?

With FF Ishida being raised, Mayuri will break you all in two after you succumb to his mighty poisons!

My prophecy shall come to fruition, Nick, and without the 56 and 62pt tiers to put me down, Mayuri-sama's intelect will truly be allowed to run rampant throughout the entire tourney!

Im just saying, you used him before, and now planning to use him again. I get bored if I use a char more than once

[Franky]

meh, I'm honestly trying to come up with more unique ways to use him. If I can't find anything utterly mind-blowing, I probably will end up using the popular 36 + 36 team.

[Darth]

If we're putting Soi Fon and Yoruichi on the 48 tier, Why not leave Base Ulquiorra at 48? He's just above Bankai Ichigo at speed so I'd rate him at the same speed as Yoruichi. And strengthwise, he's at the level of Bankai Ichigo.

[nick1689]

Lol no. He's close to Vaizard ichigo. He was keeping up with him speedwise, and was only slowly getting overpowered by him.

Not sure where i think Yoruichi should go anymore

And I think we should restrict Soi Fon to only one missle. Granted she's already tired after one, but whatever; it's one hit kill with the right strat

[Darth]

I'd rate Soi Fon and Yoruichi at Base Ulquiorra's speed any day of the week. Possibly higher given hype and the fact that Toushiro kept up with the Third Espada, who many people think is faster than Base Ulq.

So unless this is a glaring inconsistency on Kubo's part, I don't see why he shouldn't be on the tier list.

[nick1689]

Inconsistency and Kubo? Never! :wth

But really, Ulq's strength isnt all in his speed, but in his speed+power+cero, which is enough to overpower most people on the tier list

Id be happy adding him at 56, but then what's the point?

[Darth]

Wasn't he 48 on the old tier list? In fact, he was on the same tier as Mayuri, Touchiro, and Byakuya.

Why did we remove him in the first place? :wha

[nick1689]

That was on the old tier list, with the high tiers. And I never knew why he was that low, he was just voted that way. I dunno... If people do vote him back in, we'll have to trial him a fair bit

[Sajin]

He was voted that way because released Grimm and Nnoi, as well as full power Kenpachi (same tier) were noticeably stronger.

Ulq may fit in this tourney I guess, but we'd have to trial him first.

[Darth]

I always figured that he was too expensive in the old tourny. Namely, because all of the higher tiers could match him and even with support you'd be hardpressed to beat anyone who had a higher tier on their team.

But in this tier list, I think he fits quite perfectly at 48.

[nick1689]

Yeh I guess. We'll vote on it. I may just vote yes

What about Byakuya? Some people think he's fine where he is, others want him down

[Darth]

should Byakuya be below Yoruichi, Soi Fon, Touchiro, and Mayuri?

Maybe. I personally think Hachigen, and FF Ishida could give him a run for his money. Hachigen especially.

Does Hachi have his mask? And why is Neliel 42? IMO she should be 36. But meh, popular opinion rules over mine.

hmm.. Yeah, I think Byakuya should be 42. So that's my vote.

[Franky]

Nel is up cause of immense hype that crushed Mayuri-sama...:cry

[nick1689]

Hitsugaya is probably going down top 42, with HH banned (the move he used against Halibel). Now that the top tiers are gone, it's too overpowered

Hachi's mask will likely be banned, since we dont really know how much of a boost it gives him

Nel is Nel really. She was above Noi, who is at 36. Plus Cero Doble is really powerful, especailly combined with P&D's cero

Itll all be voted on though, once discussion runs dry

[Darth]

I don't think Hitsu should go down to 42. Skillwise, he still matched the third espada while released. He's clearly upper tier in Bleachverse.

[VastoLorDae]

Ya still want all the fleshed out characters banned...because they are to powerful? Yet you possibly want to put Ulquiorra back in?


I know who I am picking next tourney.

[nick1689]

He only matched her because of HH imo, which was just a "lulz im a genius cant control my own hidden power" plot device

But I guess youre right

[Darth]

Ya still want all the fleshed out characters banned...because they are to powerful? Yet you possibly want to put Ulquiorra back in?


I know who I am picking next tourney.

liez. :pek

[VastoLorDae]

Ulquiorra walks in and solos everyone because of hype and de-hype of characters. give him knowledge on everyone and bing he is the new Vizard Ichigo

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

I'd rather not deal with his whack ass hype:lolkubo

[VastoLorDae]

wow Omeda can you be anymore of a sell out? Yammy as your Avatar? I bet you voted him in that poll too didn't you? Omeda is most displeased.

[Darth]

Yet you'll permit Yoruichi in the game even though her hype states that she's even faster?

And Bankai Ichigo has the same power level as Base Ulq, yet he's 36.

And his cero's are lethal granted, but it's not like Getsuga Tenshou or Cero Sincretico can't compare. Hell, I'd rate FF Ishida's arrow higher.

[Candy]

ulq. would take this tourny hands down if we added him :wha

[VastoLorDae]

Yet you'll permit Yoruichi in the game even though her hype states that she's even faster?

And Bankai Ichigo has the same power level as Base Ulq, yet he's 36.

And his cero's are lethal granted, but it's not like Getsuga Tenshou or Cero Sincretico can't compare. Hell, I'd rate FF Ishida's arrow higher.

she may be fast but with such little feats to support her she will not last long against Ulquiorra on speed alone.

Bankai Ichigo is nowhere near his level. Evee current bankai Ichigo. Barely cut him. When Ulquiorra actually tried though...well results spoke for themselves.

Only his final arrow can be rate up there with said above attacks. People make him seem stronger then what he really is. Ulquiorra can also waste him within his FF time with ease.

[Darth]

Bankai Ichigo matched Ulquiorra blow for blow in STRENGTH. In speed, that's an entirely different matter.

If Yoruichi can keep up with Ulq in speed, (And possibly outspeed him and kill him utilizing Shunko) and she's on the tier list at 48, why not add Ulq at 48?

He was on the same tier as Byakuya, Mayuri, and Touchiro before and nobody complained. Hell, he wasn't even a popular choice.

[Mizukage Hitsugaya 10]

Bankai Ichigo matched Ulquiorra blow for blow in STRENGTH. In speed, that's an entirely different matter.

If Yoruichi can keep up with Ulq in speed, (And possibly outspeed him and kill him utilizing Shunko) and she's on the tier list at 48, why not add Ulq at 48?

He was on the same tier as Byakuya, Mayuri, and Touchiro before and nobody complained. Hell, he wasn't even a popular choice.

R1 Ulq~Top 3 Espada
All 4 cannot release within the dome of Los Noches.
Meaning R1 Ulquiorra is on the same level of Hitsugaya and Harribel.

[Darth]

Right, but we're talking about Base Ulquiorra. Not released Ulq.

[Brandon Heat]

These are what needs to be voted on in this thread. Any new characters will be voted in the new character addition thread. If an option is missing, please add it to the list.

Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42:
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42:
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36:

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42:
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36:

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48:
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42:
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48:
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36:

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36:

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48:
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

[Sajin]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36:

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36:

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48:
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

All points seconded. :LOS

[nick1689]

We also have to decide on the restrictions for hachi, but we can do that after voting

Yoruichi may need to be voted on as well

[VastoLorDae]

Yoruichi would get smashed by current Ulquiorra even in base form with the lack of feats

[nick1689]

Byakuya needs to be voted on as well, some people were talking about moving him down

[VastoLorDae]

Byakuya needs to be voted on as well, some people were talking about moving him down

no grimjow, VIchigo, Noit, or kenpachi.



so then WHY do ya want to move him down when I got him to the semis? If speed is mentioned I will go to your house and beat you with your own computer.

[VastoLorDae]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48:
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld

[Darth]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth
Byakuya stays at 48:

[VastoLorDae]

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth
Byakuya stays at 48:VLD

[nick1689]

I dont think Byakuya nees to be mvoed down, others do though. This is a democracy

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick

[Franky]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, Franky
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, Franky

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, Franky

[Brandon Heat]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, Franky, BH
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, BH
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, BH
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick, BH
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, Franky

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, Franky, BH

[Franky]

oi, oi, oi, BH you skipped me.

-----------------------------------

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick, BH
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, Franky

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky

[Brandon Heat]

No I didn't. :LOS

[Franky]

fucking ninja.:ninja

[Candy]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick, BH, candy
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, Franky

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky

[Sajin]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick, BH, candy
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, Franky

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK

Byakuya's speed is quite overrated here at times IMO, he should stay where he is.

[squilliam]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, Franky

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam

I don't understand, is there an option for Hitsu to keep HH?

[VastoLorDae]

...sajin Byakuya's speed is...overrated here? :lmao

[Franky]

@Squilliam~
Yes, the ones that don't say "HH Banned":zaru

[e697]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam, e697
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, Franky

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697

The 36 point place is gona be very popular. Ban Kai Ichigo should not be 42, but he is too good for 36. More like 40, while base grim like 38, although people dont like that kind of movement. Bya is fine now. He can hurt everyone on the list which was his biggest problem before. Is mayuri gona get nemu? Im too lazy to read the whole thread.

[nick1689]

Bankai Ichigo needs to go up to 42, everyone change your votes :pek:gun

[Franky]

No E, Mayuri isn't getting Nemu.

I still don't see why not though, I mean, she's his creation and is always supporting him in battle. She's more his machine/tool than she is "Nemu Kurotsuchi".

Plus, she really isn't going to hurt anything much if we let Mayuri have her. All she'd turn into is 1)Pass out the antidote, 2)Use drug prep, 3)perform any other prep related assistance, and 4) meat shield for Konjiki Ashisogi Jizou.

Why are you all so addament about adding Nemu? I'd change my vote to 48 if he got Nemu. I don't see ANY reason why we can't, I mean, what big of a diffrence is it going to make? Not that much.

I'm just saying, a manga tool is a manga tool, no matter how human it acts, it is still a tool of the man who created it, and that man is Kurotsuchi Mayuri.

Besides, they have shown one thing that they require the other for, just like Pesche and Dondochakka have shown Cero Sincreto, Mayuri has shown to heal Nemu through whatever method he used off screen.

She's just a tool that has 1)Moderate super strength (probably around... err... a VC's physical strength, as she is one, but probably a notch higher), 2)1 Antidote, which is worthless if she comes with Mayuri because Mayuri has an ass load more, and 3)Shunpo.

What in hell is stopping her, Mayuri's tool, almost like another of Mayuri's techs, no, she IS one of Mayuri's techs, as it's all she has ever done, from being added?

[Sajin]

I'm wondering about that as well. Seriously give him Nemu, he never fights without her anyway.

[Franky]

I'm adding it to the voting, as it should be given to him. Because she's just his tool and is ALWAYS fighting with him and has ONLY been shown fighting with him. And, she has only done what he tells her to when it comes to fighting.

Everyone, rethink your Mayuri votes. I've added "with Nemu Kurotsuchi", cause she's really just his tech/tool.

-------------------------------

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam, e697
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697

[Sajin]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam, e697
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697

[Franky]

Only 3 people need to change. C'mon people, give Mayuri his bitch tool.:gar

[e697]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36:

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697

[BlackSmoke]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, Franky, BH
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BlackSmoke
"My reasoning for this, he can bind but can he kill at all? :smoke "

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, BH
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, BS

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, BH
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, SK, Darth, Nick, BH
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, Franky, BS


If you took down the "top tier" and still want to still move down Byakuya that's counter productive...Leave him be. Byakuya is clearly top tier now.

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, Franky, BH, BS

[Franky]

BlackSmoke, edit your post, the latest voting is in E's post.

[VastoLorDae]

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

[Brandon Heat]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42: vld, BS

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

[Franky]

:facepalm.

Fixxing

DAMNIT BH!!!:argh
-------------------------

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam, BS
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Nemu is an entirely separate entity than Mayuri and has sentience. In my opinion, Bankai Mayuri is worth 48 without her. And if we make Bankai Mayuri come with Nemu, we'll have to do the same with Shikai Mayuri. That would place him at 24 points at least, and it would bump Bankai Mayuri up an unnecessary amount of points as well. In short, adding Nemu to Mayuri overpowers Mayuri and needlessly complicates the tier list.

[Sajin]

Shikai Mayuri at 20 with Nemu would be absolutely fine with me. Besides we can only give her to bankai Mayuri.

[Brandon Heat]

I don't get how people who voted for Mayuri without Nemu at 48 now vote for him with Nemu at 48. She doesn't add anything to his character. Mayuri's main skill is poison and his tools. We don't need a top tier with another character as support. It's just stupid.

I know Franky, I'm awesome.

[Sajin]

I don't get how people who voted for Mayuri without Nemu at 48 now vote for him with Nemu at 48. She doesn't add anything to his character. Mayuri's main skill is poison and his tools. We don't need a top tier with another character as support. It's just stupid.

I know Franky, I'm awesome.

But she is his tool.

[Franky]

Nemu is an entirely separate entity than Mayuri and has sentience. In my opinion, Bankai Mayuri is worth 48 without her. And if we make Bankai Mayuri come with Nemu, we'll have to do the same with Shikai Mayuri. That would place him at 24 points at least, and it would bump Bankai Mayuri up an unnecessary amount of points as well. In short, adding Nemu to Mayuri overpowers Mayuri and needlessly complicates the tier list.

Nemu hasn't made a diffrence in any of his fights in the manga so far, but, it has been stated that it is his tool, and he is in control of her (as in, she does whatever he says).

Also, how does she overpower him? Take Nemu out of the Szayel vs. Mayuri fight and Szayel would've died sooner. Take her out of the Ishida fight and it wouldn't make a diffrence other than Ishida would be dead (afteraffect) as Mayuri crippled her himself.

So, tell me again, how does she overpower him?

Also, it has been stated that Shikai Mayuri wouldn't get her.

@BH~
Like I've said already, she offers nothing in terms of battle truly (see above) and she is his tool, shown to fight as he wants her to fight, not as she wants to fight.

So, according to the manga, she is his TOOL and his CREATION. So, by your logic, because he is supported by his TOOLS, then we should take away his Antidotes, Superhuman Drug, and his Regeneration Serum. They are all TOOLS THAT SUPPORT HIM IN BATTLE, and Nemu is as well.

[Brandon Heat]

She is her own independent character. Mayuri is already 48 point tier material. People are just looking for ways to get an extra body without having to waste more points.

[Franky]

You're ignoring the fact that she offers almost nothing battke-wise, plus, she actually helped Szayel in their fight, keeping him alive.

So, because Pesche and Dondo are diffrent people we should sperate them?

Should we take away all of the Bankais that are summons?

Should we take away Szayel's Fraccion?

Hell, AA is an entire array of people at once.

[Sajin]

She is her own independent character. Mayuri is already 48 point tier material. People are just looking for ways to get an extra body without having to waste more points.

So is Bawabawa, should we remove him as well? :oh P&D would still be worth their price anyway.

[Brandon Heat]

Your comparing bankais with a person? Nemu has immense strength and is capable of distracting VC level characters. Your giving someone with poison a reasonably strong person for no apparent reason.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Nemu hasn't made a diffrence in any of his fights in the manga so far, but, it has been stated that it is his tool, and he is in control of her (as in, she does whatever he says).

She's more than a tool if she has her own thoughts and feelings, and the Gotei 13 regard her as a VC. That's like saying we should give Yachiru to Kenpachi.

Also, how does she overpower him? Take Nemu out of the Szayel vs. Mayuri fight and Szayel would've died sooner. Take her out of the Ishida fight and it wouldn't make a diffrence other than Ishida would be dead (afteraffect) as Mayuri crippled her himself.

So, tell me again, how does she overpower him?

Szayel was inflicted with the superhuman drug because of her. Without her it would have been a full health Released Szayel versus Mayuri with a broken or sealed (can't remember which) Zanpakuto.

It will overpower him because he's fine at 48. He can solo. Giving him added support without increasing his cost is stupid when she combines well with him.

Also, it has been stated that Shikai Mayuri wouldn't get her.

This is contradictory because it breaks the thematic reason you wanted to give Bankai Mayuri Nemu, unless you have an ulterior motive, such as getting a free 6 pointer for your own use.:LOS

Jk:P

[Franky]

Exacta.

And what happens when we get to unrestricted and Lilynette and Stark come in?

"Oh wait, their seperate being who fight together! We have to sperate them so that you can pay even more points to get the actual character!"

Mayuri and Nemu BOTH have never fought an opponent on their own.

[VastoLorDae]

Franky she helped syzel? were we seeing the samething? And she does not make a difference in any of his fights? syzel and ishida think other wise.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

We could place Pesche and Dondochakka at 6 separately. They're respectable characters on their own: Pesche has Infinite Slick and Dondochakka has Bawabawa.

[Brandon Heat]

A high tier character doesn't need to be paired with anyone. If people think Mayuri doesn't merit 48 points alone then vote for him at 42. The funny thing is no one will, which means your all contradicting yourselves. :amuse

I was pushing to separate Pesche and Dondachakka but everyone was bitching about how people will buy them both anyways. Why do you think there worth 12 points?

[squilliam]

People have already brought this up, but she does indeed have battle abilities, after all, she can drill through solid rock with her hand

[Sajin]

Well, feelings or not, Nemu is Mayuri's creation. I also don't see how adding her suddently makes him overpowered for his tier, we can as well remove Bawabawa from P&D. But w/e, if the majority votes this way I can deal with it.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

A high tier character doesn't need to be paired with anyone. If people think Mayuri doesn't merit 48 points alone then vote for him at 42. The funny thing is no one will, which means your all contradicting yourselves. :amuse

I was pushing to separate Pesche and Dondachakka but everyone was bitching about how people will buy them both anyways. Why do you think there worth 12 points?

If they're voted to be 10 points then they can cost 5 separately. Or have a vote on how much they should cost individually.

Ah, P&D talk doesn't belong in this thread.

[Franky]

Your comparing bankais with a person? Nemu has immense strength and is capable of distracting VC level characters. Your giving someone with poison a reasonably strong person for no apparent reason.
Nemu is capable of distracting a VC? Not at all. She hasn't ever shown to do immense damage and her biggest strength feat was lifting a boulder, which isn't really much of a manga feat.

Apparently, according to my matches, the poison isn't instant. Although, I do believe it is, but Mayuri isn't perfect. He's horrid at close-combat when compared to other captains and high-tiers. His only thing that's really going for him is his Bankai's poison smog, which some people actually believe can be blocked by a cloth.

As I've said before, Nemu is his tool. Oh hey, guess what, Mirage Tool is capable of rendering the highest people useless, yet Szayel has it.

Loads of the High Tiers have something they can send off to pwn VC's. Byakuya can use some of his petals, Hitsu spams ice, Soi Fon shoots a motherfucking missle at you... They all can kill VC easily, so why does distracting them matter?
She's more than a tool if she has her own thoughts and feelings, and the Gotei 13 regard her as a VC. That's like saying we should give Yachiru to Kenpachi.

Szayel was inflicted with the superhuman drug because of her. Without her it would have been a full health Released Szayel versus Mayuri with a broken or sealed (can't remember which) Zanpakuto.

It will overpower him because he's fine at 48. He can solo. Giving him added support without increasing his cost is stupid when she combines well with him.
She does have thoughts and feeling, but oh, guess what? She still does whatever Mayuri tells her to in battle, making her a tool. She doesn't use her own feelings in battle, just Mayuri's commands.

So, you're saying that anything any captain uses besides their swords should be taken from them? No. The Gotei 13 reffers to her as VC cause MAYURI put her as his VC.

Szayel, in this tourney, has knowledge of er deadly Vag. That isn't happening again.

Ok. Lets take away all of the support that comes with each character that they've shown in the manga. What do we have now? Oh, just an ass load of silly idiots cutting eachother.

Nemu adds to his variety but doesn't increase his kill rate or his strength in any way, AND she has been shown as his tool/creation in the Manga, meaning that she is one of his techs, meritting towards adding her as his tech.


You all need to realize that you're taking away his tool, which all of his battles used. His feats aren't increased, and niether is his likelyhood of surviving.

Nemu is a feat of his, because he uses her. I could go in a thread and say "because he has shown to use her as a tool, she is his tool, so I have Nemu too"

It's a manga fact that he uses her, meaning that anyone can pull out a scan of Mayuri using her and say "Mayuri uses her in the Manga, so I can use her here" and it would be totally legit.

[e697]

If nemu had not been there in the szayel fight szayel would have died faster since he wouldnt have regenerated. Nemu should be with mayuri cuz on her own she is just a 4 point antidote who has lots of knowledge. (szayel, mayuri, ff ishida, who are all people that very few have full knowledge on.) In a battle against mayuri she is worth around 20 because she makes a character invincible to mayuri. Everywhere else she sucks. A 4 point character who is worth way more against one other character is BS, like BS making it to the finals w/ grimjow. She doesnt over power him at all.

[nick1689]

Either remove Nemu, or add her with Mayuri's Bankai form, I dont really care

[Franky]

If nemu had not been there in the szayel fight szayel would have died faster since he wouldnt have regenerated. Nemu should be with mayuri cuz on her own she is just a 4 point antidote who has lots of knowledge. (szayel, mayuri, ff ishida, who are all people that very few have full knowledge on.) In a battle against mayuri she is worth around 20 because she makes a character invincible to mayuri. Everywhere else she sucks. A 4 point character who is worth way more against one other character is BS, like BS making it to the finals w/ grimjow. She doesnt over power him at all.

Exactly. Also, she doesn't even give him knowledge because they were in the exact same fights and have seen the exact same things.

[Franky]

Either remove Nemu, or add her with Mayuri's Bankai form, I dont really care

Well, we've countered every reason not to and provided plenty more reason to do so, so just give her to Bankai Mayuri already.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Using Nemu to counter a 48 pointer is increidbly cheap. However, if you include her with him then the fodder on Bankai Mayuri's team gain immunity to it as well.

I think at the end of the day it might be best to remove her from the tournament altogether.:hmm

[squilliam]

fraccion are tools too.....

did we allow espada to use their fraccion?

I'm pretty sure we didn't

[Franky]

Using Nemu to counter a 48 pointer is increidbly cheap. However, if you include her with him then the fodder on Bankai Mayuri's team gain immunity to it as well.

I think at the end of the day it might be best to remove her from the tournament altogether.:hmm
:facepalm

They already are, as Mayuri comes with an ass load of antidotes, and Nemu only comes with one.
fraccion are tools too.....

did we allow espada to use their fraccion?

I'm pretty sure we didn't
That's because they didn't use them in their own battles, something that Mayuri did in all of his fights.

Also, we gave Szayel his Fraccion, all because he USED THEM IN BATTLE, just as Mayuri USES Nemu in battle.

[squilliam]

Wait, so why are PnD together? Who uses who as a tool in their situation?

[Brandon Heat]

Mayuri only had two battles. Your acting as if Mayuri can't fight without her.

Kenpachi should get Yachiru because she is always there in his battles. Kenpachi can't fight seriously without her.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Mayuri only had two battles. Your acting as if Mayuri can't fight without her.

Kenpachi should get Yachiru because she is always there in his battles. Kenpachi can't fight seriously without her.

OH SHHHHH--

Does Ichigo come with Shirosaki?:iria

[Franky]

Wait, so why are PnD together? Who uses who as a tool in their situation?
Niether. They don't use eachother as a tool, they just go together.

But the same can be said about Bawabawa, who is used by Dondochakka.

Mayuri only had two battles. Your acting as if Mayuri can't fight without her.

Kenpachi should get Yachiru because she is always there in his battles. Kenpachi can't fight seriously without her.

Yachiru sits on his shoulder and watches, cheering him on.

Nemu is used by Mayuri to attack.

Nemu is a tool, Yachiru is a spectator.


Ok, so he's been in only 2 battles. It doesn't matter. He's shown to use her in both battles, therefore, using her is a manga feat and is completely legit.

[Franky]

OH SHHHHH--

Does Ichigo come with Shirosaki?:iria

I don't even remember who the fuck Shirosaki is.

If it's the inner hollow, then no. He doesn't use him as a tool, he takes over his mind and goes crazy.

[squilliam]

Niether. They don't use eachother as a tool, they just go together.

But the same can be said about Bawabawa, who is used by Dondochakka.

"they just go together"

ok, but so do Kenpachi and Yachiru

[nick1689]

Enough discussion for something so unimportant. Jsut vote on it

[Franky]

"they just go together"

ok, but so do Kenpachi and Yachiru

Yes. They fight together. And some of their moves are together. They fight together.

Also, Yachiru is a spectator. Look up, Nemu is a tool used in battle, Yachiru cheers Kenpachi on from his shoulder.

[Franky]

Enough discussion for something so unimportant. Jsut vote on it

As long as people don't see it, I will argue it.

[Brandon Heat]

Take away Nemu from both of Mayuri's fights. Mayuri would still have the upper hand against Ishida if it wasn't for Final Form. Mayuri clearly was in charge of his match against Szayel and didn't need Nemu to revive his enemy.

These threads are meant for debate nick. :zaru

[Franky]

Take away Nemu from both of Mayuri's fights. Mayuri would still have the upper hand against Ishida if it wasn't for Final Form. Mayuri clearly was in charge of his match against Szayel and didn't need Nemu to revive his enemy.

What? Nemu had an affect against Ishida. She was messing with him and stopping his shots until he got away from her and started chasing Mayuri, Mayuri got pissed, calling her a tool and saying that she does what he tells her to, and then he wtfpwns her.

Against Szayel, that was mainly because Mayuri was already prepared, something he is not in this tourney.

therefore, the match against Ishida, where he was unprepared, is a better specimen to compare with.

[Brandon Heat]

Mayuri could have just used his bankai from the beginning of the match and won. The Nemu situation wasn't really needed in my eyes.

[Franky]

Mayuri could have just used his bankai from the beginning of the match and won. The Nemu situation wasn't really needed in my eyes.

Ok. Ishida could've used FF right from the start. The whole Nemu part would've just fallen away.

That also proves that Nemu makes no diffrence and doesn't overpower him, cause Nemu was within his feats everytime anyway.

[Brandon Heat]

Let the voters decide. If she gets added to him, your going to see a bunch of Mayuris in the tournament. I will make sure I trial him and show you how useful Nemu is. Just by stating that Nemu was able to distract Ishida shows her use and how it over powers him.

[Candy]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam, BS
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

[Franky]

Let the voters decide. If she gets added to him, your going to see a bunch of Mayuris in the tournament. I will make sure I trial him and show you how useful Nemu is. Just by stating that Nemu was able to distract Ishida shows her use and how it over powers him.

That's another problem, you guys are the only voters actually hanging around. Darth isn't coming back, BS completely missed it, Candy isn't here yet, Nick thinks that the vote isn't up yet, ect...

So, I'm trying to convince you to change your votes.

Just like you said, Nemu part would fall out because Mayuri would just go bankai and Ishida would just go FF.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

We made HM Uryu and Shikai Mayuri cost more because they have extra tools. If we add Nemu you can rest assured it will come at a cost because he's not getting a VC for free.

If it was changed to Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 52 or 54 I might vote for it.

[Franky]

We made HM Uryu and Shikai Mayuri cost more because they have extra tools. If we add Nemu you can rest assured it will come at a cost because he's not getting a VC for free.

If it was changed to Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 52 or 54 I might vote for it.

What? Err... No? Nemu is his tool, but she won't make much of a diffrence when compared to their other tools.

She isn't worth raising him, he's already a tiny bit under the other 48pt tiers because of his crap close-combat skills.

[nick1689]

Mayuri's shikai version is defiantely not getting Nemu, hope you guys realise that. Only his bankai if people vote for it.

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, candy, Squilliam, BS
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

[Franky]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, Squilliam, BS
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

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Candy has two votes on Mayuri, so I changed it to his latest

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

What? Err... No? Nemu is his tool, but she won't make much of a diffrence when compared to their other tools.

She isn't worth raising him, he's already a tiny bit under the other 42pt tiers because of his crap close-combat skills.

How the hell is he below 42 tiers? Mayuri's poison can solo. Bankai Ichigo can't solo.

He's worth 48 without her. If he gets more utility, it's logical to increase his cost to about their combined costs. This is also a plus because it removes a cheap antidote whore for 4/6 pts.

[Franky]

How the hell is he below 42 tiers? Mayuri's poison can solo. Bankai Ichigo can't solo.

He's worth 48 without her. If he gets more utility, it's logical to increase his cost to about their combined costs. This is also a plus because it removes a cheap antidote whore for 4/6 pts.

That was a typo. I meant most of the other 48pt.

He is a notch below 48, imo, just a bit above being halfway between 42 and 48, so he's around 46. Nemu would boost him into the 48 and make him a better match up with the other 48 pointers.

Nemu isn't even worth much on the same team as Mayuri, all she really is a meat shield, something a fodder hollow can do.

[BlackSmoke]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, cnady, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

(LOl even in my bleach ds fighting game I had once, Nemu was just their waiting for orders from Mayuri)
Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy, BS
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Darth, Nick, BH, Squilliam,
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

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[Franky]

I think Candy has that game. I just spammed Nemu at them whenever I used Mayuri (most of the time).:hurr

[Candy]

I broke the rules and am here to help :hurr

dont call me and wake my parents franky :C
______________________________________________--

Anyways nemu sucks, we all know that, its common knowledge

Mayuri is pimp, that is common knowledge as well

But what is a pimp without girls to follow him around? Hes a bum, andI know we dont want mayuri to be a bum

[Franky]

Candy, you're brilliant.:awesome

You took what I've been saying for 4 pages and turned it into a funny joke. Good job!:gar

[Darth]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS, Darth, Ant

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy, BS, Darth
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Nick, BH, Squilliam,
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

*Changed my Mayuri vote for shits and giggles* :hoho

[nick1689]

Not funny Darth :pek

[Antlion6]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, Ant
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42:
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS, OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697, Ant

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS, Ant
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, Ant
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy, BS, Darth
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Nick, BH, Squilliam, Ant
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy, Ant
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

[Brandon Heat]

Oh, wow Candy supporting what Franky said. What a shock. :zaru

Nice job Darth. :pek

[nick1689]

Havent you realised yet that Franky and Candy are in fact one mind?

[Brandon Heat]

Like how in every match they vote for each other even if their down by 7 votes. :LOS

[Darth]

I really don't care. It's not like I'm going to use Mayuri, and Nemu is a shit fighter anyway who's really only good for knowledge that Mayuri has anyway.

So bring along the extra piece of baggage. Who cares?

[nick1689]

Like how in every match they vote for each other even if their down by 7 votes. :LOS

Exacta :zaru

So bring along the extra piece of baggage. Who cares?

Pretty much how I feel about it

[Brandon Heat]

The "extra luggage" is a VC. Were giving a captain a vice captain for no real reason.

[Darth]

A vice captain that has no combat feats and doesn't exactly do anything. :oh

[Brandon Heat]

We have seen that she has high levels of strength and shunpo. That is enough to hold down a mid tier and below long enough to allow Mayuri to take them out.

[Darth]

Tell you what Brandon. Find me a site where I can read Veritas 54 online and I'll change my vote.

Fair?

[Franky]

Havent you realised yet that Franky and Candy are in fact one mind?
No we're not. We just agree with eachother to the extent that it's hilarious.
Like how in every match they vote for each other even if their down by 7 votes. :LOS
Just look at Nick's post. The one I quoted. If we think alike, then why wouldn't we believe that the other's strat would work?
Pretty much how I feel about it
You. Change your vote to giving him Nemu then.:hurr
The "extra luggage" is a VC. Were giving a captain a vice captain for no real reason.
VC who has never even shown to do anything and wasn't able to beat Ishida before Ishida raged and went FF.
Rank means nothing if the person wearing it is shit. Expecially when Yachiru is a VC. That makes even less sense.
We have seen that she has high levels of strength and shunpo. That is enough to hold down a mid tier and below long enough to allow Mayuri to take them out.
Mid Tier? Excuse me? She can shield from a Mid Tier, for maybe one or two attacks, but she can't hold them down.

@Darth~
If I find you a place to read that will you keep your vote for giving him Nemu?:LOS

[VastoLorDae]

I think Franky and Candy are the best duo in the BD. Eeven better then Darth and janissary.


anyway on topic Mayuri has always been shown to fight with Nemu at his side so that he may use her like a tool.

[Franky]

Tell you what Brandon. Find me a site where I can read Veritas 54 online and I'll change my vote.

Fair?

As in Veritas chapter 54?
http://manga.bleachexile.com/veritas-chapter-54.html
Now keep your vote for giving him Nemu.:LOS

[Candy]

Candy, you're brilliant.:awesome

You took what I've been saying for 4 pages and turned it into a funny joke. Good job!:gar

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*Changed my Mayuri vote for shits and giggles* :hoho

Lolz :lmao

ME makin a joke got franky some votes :zaru


Not funny Darth :pek

Oh, wow Candy supporting what Franky said. What a shock. :zaru

Nice job Darth. :pek

Havent you realised yet that Franky and Candy are in fact one mind?

Like how in every match they vote for each other even if their down by 7 votes. :LOS

Exacta :zaru




Whats funny is that we've voted aginst each other before BH even knew about the battledome :amazed

And I dont know how long nick has been around :amuse

[Franky]

Whats funny is that we've voted aginst each other before BH even knew about the battledome :amazed

And I dont know how long nick has been around :amuse
We vote against eachother all the time~

It's just that our funnier, more lulzy votes are more rememberable.:P

Check Nick's stats. His exp is pretty high~:hmm

[Brandon Heat]

Whats funny is having more tournament experience means nothing. From what I have seen lately, you two never think differently. :amuse

[Darth]

Whats funny is having more tournament experience means nothing. From what I have seen lately, you two never think differently. :amuse

Yes it does. :pek

I'm a vet. Hence I'm > you.

Technically, it only counts if you have a tournament title on your belt. :ho

thx for the link Franky! :wink

[Brandon Heat]

What have you done lately Darth? :LOS

[Darth]

lately?

Been chilling in university.. :pimp

But to recall the not so long ago past, I won OP T2. :wink

[Sajin]

Yes it does. :pek

I'm a vet. Hence I'm > you.

Technically, it only counts if you have a tournament title on your belt. :ho

thx for the link Franky! :wink

:kaga

...Now let's keep it on topic, shall we? :amuse

[Franky]

Whats funny is having more tournament experience means nothing. From what I have seen lately, you two never think differently. :amuse
Well, we're just like-minded. It's not as if we're biased, it's just that we think the same way, which means we're going to see things from similar angles, although, I have been trying to look at things from some other perspectives lately.
:hurr
thx for the link Franky! :wink
Your welcome.:amuse

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS, Darth, Ant

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy, BS, Darth
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Nick, BH, Squilliam,
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

*Changed my Mayuri vote for shits and giggles* :hoho
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, Ant
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42:
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS, OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697, Ant

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS, Ant
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, Ant
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy, BS, Darth
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Nick, BH, Squilliam, Ant
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy, Ant
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

wtf ant you switched every vote for Bankai Ichigo at 42 to 36.

Hachigen Ushōda moved to 48:
Hachigen Ushōda stays at 42: OTIA, SK, vld, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, Ant
Hachigen Ushōda moved to 36: BS

Bankai Ichigo moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, e697
Bankai Ichigo stays at 36: vld, Darth, candy, Squilliam, BS, Ant

Neliel Tu Oderschvank stays at 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, BS, Ant
Neliel Tu Oderschvank moved to 36: vld, Darth, BH

Tōshirō Hitsugaya stays at 48: Darth
Tōshirō Hitsugaya moved to 42:vld, BS
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 42: OTIA, SK, Nick, BH, Franky, candy, Squilliam, e697, Ant
Tōshirō Hitsugaya (HH banned) moved to 36:

Mayuri Kurotsuchi (with Nemu Kurotsuchi) at 48: Franky, SK, e697, vld, Candy, BS, Darth
Mayuri Kurotsuchi stays at 48: OTIA, Nick, BH, Squilliam, Ant
Mayuri Kurotsuchi moved to 42:

Byakuya moved to 42: Darth, candy, Ant
Byakuya stays at 48: VLD, Nick, BH, Franky, SK, Squilliam, e697, BS

Fixed.

[Franky]

Antlion's trollin'...:pek:gun

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

It'd be better if we combined Mayuri+Nemu and made them cost >48.

[Franky]

Not really... Nemu doesn't merit raising him above those others..

Against the other 48 pointers, this is what happens to Nemu:
~Byakuya Kuchiki - Caught in some petals that stray off a little
~Tōshirō Hitsugaya - Caught in the ice along with the actual target
~Yoruichi Shihōin - Yoruichi shunkos her ass to hell, sparing but a second, if even
~Soi Fon - caught in the blast of the Nuke.

So, actually, I don't see Nemu putting Mayuri any higher than the other 48 pointers, but, in fact, making him fit more comfortably with them.

[Sajin]

No it wouldnt. Whats the point of the tourney if teams had chars who cost 90% of max points allowed?

And she hardly makes Mayuri that much better.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

She doesn't have to stay glued to Mayuri during the matches.:facepalm

She can serve as bait to lure them within range so Mayuri can release poison or give an unfair advantage in fighting fodder.

Mayuri is fine at 48 without her. You're giving a team that uses him a free VC for the hell of it.

[Franky]

No it wouldnt. Whats the point of the tourney if teams had chars who cost 90% of max points allowed?

And she hardly makes Mayuri that much better.
This.
She doesn't have to stay glued to Mayuri during the matches.:facepalm

She can serve as bait to lure them within range so Mayuri can release poison or give an unfair advantage in fighting fodder.

Mayuri is fine at 48 without her. You're giving a team that uses him a free VC for the hell of it.
Ok. So, say she runs off. Ok, she's way over there, getting crushed by the other team's fodder. Mayuri is still getting rushed by the other team high tier(s).

Bait? You do realise that in this tourney, characters do what they're told and don't go for "bait" that can't kill them anyway, right?

Since when did Nemu matter when it comes to Mayuri versus Fodder? Mayuri already crushes them anyway, nemu is just to make him fit better into the 48 tiers.

Ok. I'm tired of you guys saying "she's a VC". It doesn't matter. She's a VC because Mayuri put her there, and being a VC isn't a feet. It's just a rank, we can only go by what she's shown to do.

Yachiru is a VC, yet what has she shown? Nothing.

All Nemu has ever done is Shunpo and punch some rocks, something that Omaeda does 30x better.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

I'm not particularly interested in arguing semantics when the same arguments are used for 10 pages.

All I'm saying is anyone wants to make Mayuri better when he's fine where he's at, raise his cost. Problem solved.

[Franky]

He's not fine where he is... most of the other 48 pointers can own him before the poison actually takes them out, and some of Mayuri's fodder along with him.

But, on the other hand, Mayuri crushes the 42 tier on his own.

So, Nemu makes Mayuri fit better with the 48 pointers instead of lingering in between the two tiers.

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

48 Points
Mayuri Kurotsuchi
Byakuya Kuchiki
Tōshirō Hitsugaya
Yoruichi Shihōin
Soi Fon

How can any of them beat him one-on-one?:huh Maybe Hitsugaya from long. You're saying "most", as in 3/4 of them can beat him unquestionably before dying. I'm trying hard not to call BS, but you're making it hard.:LOS

His only counters are Bankai Ichigo (maybe) and FF Uryu. A lot of people say Ichigo's GT doesn't have enough range to reach it without getting poisoned.

[Candy]

What have you done lately Darth? :LOS

Losein to candy :pimp

Although, im technecally a vet/super-regular becuase of the time I started doing tournaments

[Franky]

48 Points
Mayuri Kurotsuchi
Byakuya Kuchiki
Tōshirō Hitsugaya
Yoruichi Shihōin
Soi Fon

How can any of them beat him one-on-one?:huh Maybe Hitsugaya from long. You're saying "most", as in 3/4 of them can beat him unquestionably before dying. I'm trying hard not to call BS, but you're making it hard.:LOS

His only counters are Bankai Ichigo (maybe) and FF Uryu. A lot of people say Ichigo's GT doesn't have enough range to reach it without getting poisoned.

Soi Fon has MISSILES. Mayuri's Bankai would esplode!

[Omaeda Takes It Alone]

You're not trying hard enough.:hurr You haven't proven your point yet.

[Brandon Heat]

Soi Fon at best can fire off two missiles but the preparation time would be insanely long. It's not like you can't move away from the missiles and I doubt people would actually use Soi Fon's bankai.

[Franky]

I feel I proved it for about... the last 5-7 pages... So I don't see a point in trying to convince you if you're not going to change your mind...