Would you be happy if DBZ ended with the Freeza saga?

[MOE]

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[RAGING BONER]

Cell saga...

[December]

Cell saga > Freeza saga.

[Matt Perry]

Agreed that cell saga deserves to be the end.

[MOE]

Majin buu saga was better.

[martryn]

I think Freeza was the high point, and a great place to end it. Cell saga wasn't bad, though, and would have also been a good place to end it. I didn't even bother watching anything past that.

[Rated R Superstar]

Dragonball will forever hold a special place in my heart, until the day I die...

That being said, It would have been great if the series ended when Gohan finished off Cell, thus giving us the impression that Gohan had officially took Goku's place as earth's savior. If Gohan had been the true hero of the Buu saga, I wouldnt have minded the buu saga. The cell saga should have been the last one.

Its not that I dont like the buu saga. I like it alot, but it just doesnt compare the previous sagas before. However, if the buu saga didnt occur, we wouldnt have got to see awesomr shit, like Vegito, Gotenks.

So, I think Gohan should have been the main guy of the buu saga, with Goku making a few cameos in the saga, of course. Whats db without Goku. We all love Goku. It wouldnt be the same without him.

[Legend]

It should have ended with the Cell saga or how Toriyama originally intended to end the Buu saga with Gohan winning.

[Supreme Alchemist Fan]

i hate how we had to sit through the great sayaiman saga thinking the series was going to focus on gohan only for it to shift back to goku halfway through the buu saga. It made the great sayaiman saga seem like waste and filler.

[Bleach]

I think it should have ended after Cell. Cell fights were best.

[Jetstorm]

No. I'd be happy if it ended after the Cell saga though. Buu was just ugh. :D:

[OmegaTrooper]

cell saga is where it shoulda ended...buu was pretty ridiculous and repetative

[Tenacious Lee]

Shoulda ended at cell

I liked the buu saga, but it didn't grab me like the cell and frieza sagas did.

[Snowblind]

As others have said, Cell.

Buu was ridiculous. I stopped watching the series at that point for a damn fine reason.

[RamzaBeoulve]

i liked buu saga for the tournament
rest was okay...

cell saga is the best arc though

[Godot]

freeza saga was the greatest. It should have stopped there, because not only would it have rounded off the story, but the cell/buu saga wasn't even about dragonballs...

[Allen Walker]

I agree with the rest in thinking it should have ended at the Cell saga.

[Broleta]

i hate how we had to sit through the great sayaiman saga thinking the series was going to focus on gohan only for it to shift back to goku halfway through the buu saga. It made the great sayaiman saga seem like waste and filler.

Most of the saiyaman material in the anime was filler.

[Yamata no Orochi]

It should've ended at Freeza. Freeza was meant to be the ultimate being in the universe, he was cruel, sadistic and a racist. He killed the King of planet Vegeta, who was also called Vegeta, he also killed his son who was also called Vegeta...:zaru Shit, he killed Goku's father and he pratically wiped out the Saiyan race out of fear of them, that one of them would become a Super Saiyan to destroy him. Goku was meant to be the Super Saiyan that only came along every thousand years, Goku was meant to carry out his destiny and defeat Freeza. He should've died on Namek, and that was how Toriyama intended it to end.

Imo, it became irrelevant after Freeza, Cell was just not a good villain at all. Sure, he sucked people up through his tail, that was pretty gross, but that didn't last long as he achieved his 'perfect' form quickly. His goal was absolute shit, to destroy planets around the universe, but then what? Is he going to float along in space for eternity knowing that he was the strongest in the universe? Lame. Freeza had a fuckin' empire, he liked manipulating things in his way, fuck he even made Vegeta cry, what the fuck did Cell do again? :zaru

yeah, Freeza owns :zaru

[Doom85]

End with Cell Saga. Gohan finally went all out, Vegeta's character became more interesting, Future Trunks is the shit, the non-Saiyan fighters still got to participate, and Goku staying dead makes for a nice bittersweet ending. There would still be some unresolved stuff (do Krillin/18 get together?), but that's typical for some shonen. Plus, while I enjoy Frieza/Namek, I wasn't crazy about the very end of the final fight. Frieza just went down like a bitch. At least Cell was still kicking ass until the very end.

Buu Saga could've been good, but kept fucking up along the way (should've been: Goku stays dead after going back to the afterlife after his 1-day return, Vegeta does not get revived, Gohan and Gotenks defeat Buu since Goku's whole point was "new generation taking over", Gotenks loses his annoying attitude after Chi-Chi-Bulma die (he's happy and joyful 5 minutes after his mothers die, WTF is with that?!), Piccolo and Krillin do NOT get pwned by fucking SPIT, and Goten and Trunks actually earn the transformation instead of, as Vegeta perfectly put it, turning the "Saiyan form into a child's plaything"). But with the Buu Saga the mess that it is, end it with Cell.

[Bleach]

The Buu saga was a joke in my eyes. Fu-Sion-HA!?

[Whimsy]

Either that or Cell. Both have there own massive pluses. You could probs have Goku dying at namek and spirit training Gohan to defeat Cell for double epic arc endings.

[excellence153]

Cell saga for sure.

[Yamata no Orochi]

End with Cell Saga. Gohan finally went all out, Vegeta's character became more interesting, Future Trunks is the shit, the non-Saiyan fighters still got to participate, and Goku staying dead makes for a nice bittersweet ending. There would still be some unresolved stuff (do Krillin/18 get together?), but that's typical for some shonen. Plus, while I enjoy Frieza/Namek, I wasn't crazy about the very end of the final fight. Frieza just went down like a bitch. At least Cell was still kicking ass until the very end.


Vegeta became fucking annoying, "Kakarot this, Kakarot that wah wah why is he stronger than me :cry".

The whole Namek saga was meant to be the finale of the manga, everyone had their moment before Z. I think Goku dying as a Super Saiyan after Namek explodes would be a far more emotional and meaningful ending...

[neko-sennin]

I think this, for me, as a Dragonball fan, is one of those Quit While Your Ahead sort of deals. It's not that the Buu saga was so bad, it was just that seeing how the younger generation crumpled in the face of the threat, and Goku had to come back from the dead to set things right, just ended up feeling very anti-climactic after the awesomeness that was the Cell Games.

[The Luiz]

Goku as the only and legendary super saiyan... i would have liked that ending. But the following arcs brought some awesome stuff,such as Vegito. :quite

[Baby Naruto]

I loved all 3 arcs/sagas, in fact I think I'll re-watch all 291 episodes, 13 Movies, & 2 Specials RIGHT NOW :)!

[Inuhanyou]

If they smashed Dragonball and Kai together into one series, named it Dragonball, and cut it off at the end of the Frieza saga with Goku being wished back to life, that would be my ideal Dragonball series.

[Diarrhea]

No, it should have at least ended with the Cell Saga.
Because everyone knows Cell Saga > Freezer Saga

[Inuhanyou]

No, it should have at least ended with the Cell Saga.
Because everyone knows Cell Saga > Freezer Saga

Oh "everyone knows that" :hurr I don't think they know

[Diarrhea]

Oh "everyone knows that" :hurr I don't think they know

Okay, everyone who at least knows a bit about anime knows this. :LOS

[Wakattebayo]

Fine the way it is

[Rated R Superstar]

Frieza may have been the best villian, but the Cell saga was the best. I get goosebumps every time I see Gohan transform after seeing Cell murder 16, and I get goosebumps watching Gohan wipe out the cell jrs.

[Brian]

Cell saga had the best ending.

[Starrk]

majin buu saga was the best and the ending was as good as it could be.but some parts like saiyaman saga could've been avoided.the buu saga too was too long in my opinion.

[Nihonjin]

If it ended at the Cell Saga with Gohan taking over Goku's job that would've been perfect.

It should have ended with the Cell saga or how Toriyama originally intended to end the Buu saga with Gohan winning.

He intended that?

[Inuhanyou]

^ He intended the Freiza saga originally :hurr But fans wanted more, so he did cell saga..he wanted to leave it there, but again, fans wanted him to do more, so he did majin boo

[Kenneth]

Yes, and no. It would have been an EPIC ending, however Goku dead... Just knowing it is kinda weird. It should have ended there though. Much like any other manga if it drags on too long it starts to suck. One Piece is excluded from this, however. :3

[JH24]

I think the Cell saga would have been the best place to end the series. Freeza was definitely an awesome villain, but the Cell games were amazing back then. IMHO so many great things happened. And it was great to see Gohan step into the spotlight.



The only thing I was somewhat disappointed in was that we never saw SS2 Gohan fight in close combat against the stronger Perfect Cell when he came back after destroying himself. Gohan lost his arm pretty quickly after that, a battle at least would have been nice before the Kamemeha finale.


Still, great arc. Cell was awesome, Gohan SSj2, Gohan destroying Cell juniors, Cell going crazy, Gohan's arm almost blown off, Vegeta's anger about Trunk's death, everyone trying to help at the end.


Buu saga wasn't bad, but the regeneration thing became old. I did like Kid Buu though, and that for once the final villain wasn't the strongest being that had ever appeared so far in DBZ, but still very cool.

[Nihonjin]

^ He intended the Freiza saga originally :hurr But fans wanted more, so he did cell saga..he wanted to leave it there, but again, fans wanted him to do more, so he did majin boo

I know, but was the Buu saga supposed to end with Gohan kicking ass...o_O?

[Baby Naruto]

I know, but was the Buu saga supposed to end with Gohan kicking ass...o_O?

Why do you find that shocking/weird?

[Nihonjin]

Why do you find that shocking/weird?

I don't, it's just something I didn't know.

[Jetstorm]

I know, but was the Buu saga supposed to end with Gohan kicking ass...o_O?

Yes. By the end of each saga Toriyama more or less intended Gohan to take over Goku's roll. The guy kept dying for a reason.

Frieza saga-Goku was suppose to die on Namek leaving Gohan to watch over the earth. His hidden potential was suppose to exceed Goku's etc.

Cell saga-Goku dies for real this time. Gohan unleashes his potential to kill Cell. Goku decides to stay dead and once again leaves Gohan to watch over the Earth.

Buu saga-Hmm what do we have here? Goku still remains a dead guy and once again Gohan is spending time realizing his true power by becoming Mystic Gohan. Proceeds to kick Buu's ass and was suppose to be the one to kill Buu off and save the Earth/universe whatever. We see what inane shit happened to stop that though.

I think I see a pattern. Well, until the fans kept crying about what Toriyama had originally been wanting to do with Part 2 of Dragonball and we got...what we got. :sag

[Catterix]

Sorry this is long, but please read, I'm curious :)

This isn't a Freeza Saga VS Cell Saga debate. :S It's almost unanimous that the Cell saga is better, it's incredibly well-structured, the fights are fantastic and varied, and there's a great deal of humour alongside the drama, which was sorta absent in the Freeza arc. :(

However, we're talking about for the purpose of the show. Heck, for the whole story of Dragonball. Doesn't anyone think that with everything that happened from the Pilaf Saga, that to end on the Cell saga, it would feel slightly tacked on? :blink

I mean, in DBZ even more so. Here in DBZ you have:
Raditz arrive > Goku dies > Vegeta hears of Dragonballs, heads to Earth > Everyone trains > Vegeta arrives > People die > Dragonballs die > Goku comes back > Vegeta gets beaten > Go to Namek > Find Dragonballs there > Encounter Freeza and learn about the others like Vegeta & Raditz > Vegeta's character develops, he teams up with Z fighters > Goku comes to Namek > Freeza killed all the Saiyans > Goku fights him and becomes Super Saiyan, fulfilling the legend and explaining his origin, etc. > Freeza dies, ending his reign, which was the reason Goku even went to Earth at the start of Dragonball > Goku dies, after defending his race, leaving everything in the hands of his friends and Son.

Everything's connected and works perfectly. :) Considering DBZ started there, and that's how we know it, don't you think the Cell saga would've felt more like a whimpering attempt to reignite the series? Just having another, completely unrelated adventure span on for another 100 chapters, connected by an anti-climactic return of Freeza and a weak retcon of the Red Ribbon Army.

Yes, the Cell Saga is better, but for me, either the story should've ended with the Freeza Saga, or ended with the Buu Saga. By having ANOTHER, completely random plot added on, it kept the show's randomness in-check, by having 2 arcs, just like the Red Ribbon and Piccolo arcs of DB, being entirely unconnected. It kept the show buoyant and unpredictable.

I don't know why a lot of people don't like the Buu Saga, other than it reeking of Toriyama being ordered to change his story a million times, it was great. Personally, I think a lot of people just don't like the idea of a pink villain made of bubblegum because it's too "childish" for them :wink But hey, I'm a generalising twat. What mostly sucks for the Buu arc is that nearly everyone who wasn't Saiyan got completely forgotten.

[Baby Naruto]

I don't, it's just something I didn't know.

oh ok, sorry for confusion.

[Rated R Superstar]

Sorry this is long, but please read, I'm curious :)

This isn't a Freeza Saga VS Cell Saga debate. :S It's almost unanimous that the Cell saga is better, it's incredibly well-structured, the fights are fantastic and varied, and there's a great deal of humour alongside the drama, which was sorta absent in the Freeza arc. :(

However, we're talking about for the purpose of the show. Heck, for the whole story of Dragonball. Doesn't anyone think that with everything that happened from the Pilaf Saga, that to end on the Cell saga, it would feel slightly tacked on? :blink

I mean, in DBZ even more so. Here in DBZ you have:
Raditz arrive > Goku dies > Vegeta hears of Dragonballs, heads to Earth > Everyone trains > Vegeta arrives > People die > Dragonballs die > Goku comes back > Vegeta gets beaten > Go to Namek > Find Dragonballs there > Encounter Freeza and learn about the others like Vegeta & Raditz > Vegeta's character develops, he teams up with Z fighters > Goku comes to Namek > Freeza killed all the Saiyans > Goku fights him and becomes Super Saiyan, fulfilling the legend and explaining his origin, etc. > Freeza dies, ending his reign, which was the reason Goku even went to Earth at the start of Dragonball > Goku dies, after defending his race, leaving everything in the hands of his friends and Son.

Everything's connected and works perfectly. :) Considering DBZ started there, and that's how we know it, don't you think the Cell saga would've felt more like a whimpering attempt to reignite the series? Just having another, completely unrelated adventure span on for another 100 chapters, connected by an anti-climactic return of Freeza and a weak retcon of the Red Ribbon Army.

Yes, the Cell Saga is better, but for me, either the story should've ended with the Freeza Saga, or ended with the Buu Saga. By having ANOTHER, completely random plot added on, it kept the show's randomness in-check, by having 2 arcs, just like the Red Ribbon and Piccolo arcs of DB, being entirely unconnected. It kept the show buoyant and unpredictable.

I don't know why a lot of people don't like the Buu Saga, other than it reeking of Toriyama being ordered to change his story a million times, it was great. Personally, I think a lot of people just don't like the idea of a pink villain made of bubblegum because it's too "childish" for them :wink But hey, I'm a generalising twat. What mostly sucks for the Buu arc is that nearly everyone who wasn't Saiyan got completely forgotten.

Well, tecniclly, the whole android/cell saga was actually an continuation of the red ribbon army saga from dragonball, and an the return of an enemny from Goku's past, Dr Gero. So the android/cell sagas was just an part 2/continuation of Goku's beef with Gero, thus the cell saga is connected with the rr saga from db.

So no, I dont think the cell saga was a whimpering attempt to reignite the series, especially since the excellent Namek/Frieza saga, and the awesome fight between Goku and Frieza had people literally begging for more.

[Catterix]

Well, tecniclly, the whole android/cell saga was actually an continuation of the red ribbon army saga from dragonball, and an the return of an enemny from Goku's past, Dr Gero. So the android/cell sagas was just an part 2/continuation of Goku's beef with Gero, thus the cell saga is connected with the rr saga from db.

So no, I dont think the cell saga was a whimpering attempt to reignite the
series, especially since the excellent Namek/Frieza saga, and the awesome fight between Goku and Frieza had people literally begging for more.

I think you misunderstood what I meant, but that's OK, given how long my original post was :P I'm saying that if the only thing that followed Freeza saga had been the Cell saga, would it have seemed like a whimpering attempt to reignite it? Obviously it doesn't appear like that now, because we have the Buu saga, so the story continues long after the Cell saga. Ie. Freeza Saga -> Cell Saga, looks like the Cell Saga is just a weird follow on. But Freeza Saga -> Cell Saga -> Buu Saga looks fine :wink

And I commented that the androids were connected to the Red Ribbon saga;
connected by an anti-climactic return of Freeza and a weak retcon of the Red Ribbon Army.

Doctor Gero never existed in Dragonball. Goku never met him. In fact, in the anime, they created someone else who made all the Androids. The Cell Saga is hardly connected to the RR Saga at all, given the RR Arc had ended and been completed; the androids being a teeeeny part of it.

It'd be like saying Dragonball GT is connected to everything because it has Pilaf at the beginning and he had his own arc in the show.

[Yamata no Orochi]

Still, great arc. Cell was awesome, Gohan SSj2, Gohan destroying Cell juniors, Cell going crazy, Gohan's arm almost blown off, Vegeta's anger about Trunk's death, everyone trying to help at the end.


The Cell saga was shit. The Buu saga was even shittier. Dragon Ball jumped the shark when the androids came, the Frieza saga is the only true ending.

[Rated R Superstar]

The Cell saga was shit. The Buu saga was even shittier. Dragon Ball jumped the shark when the androids came, the Frieza saga is the only true ending.

Majority say otherwise, but I can respect ur opinion.

[Chuck Norris]

Cell saga? Freezer Saga? Buu Saga?
DBZ shouldn't have ended with any of those.
DBZ should be still ongoing right now just like Naruto.

[~Ageha~]

i liked all of DBZ so no

[Narcissus]

For me, Freeza vs Goku was the best fight of the series. But even though the sagas after that one weren't as good, they still provided me with a great deal of entertainment when I was younger, so I'm glad it continued.

[Baby Naruto]

Cell saga? Freezer Saga? Buu Saga?

DBZ shouldn't have ended with any of those.

DBZ should be still ongoing right now just like Naruto.

That's off-topic, but I do agree with you :).

[Rokudaime]

Freeza arc is the best arc in my opinion...and it should have ended at there either Goku alive or dead.

The main props of the Freeza arc is the dragon ball quest. Everyone were trying their best to secure their dragon balls and find another dragon balls and it was entertaining to watch. Tension everywhere. In those days,Dragon Ball were sooo relevant at that point which is a good thing. Every characters have their own screentime.

if you didn't notice that..Freeza actually is one of the classic villain who survive from the friendship/Nakama + Resolve + Power Up attack few times.

Cell Saga is kinda meh IMO.