Hajime no Ippo (Latest Scan 887 IO, Raw 888)

[Tobirama]

:lmao tbh i would quite like to see that :LOS

[Hibari Kyoya]

That's why it will end in bullshit.

Or Morikawa snapped and does something completely random.


Like

OUT OF NOWHERE MASHIBA-FLICKERS

HUNDRETS OF THEM!!!

And then Mashiba knocks Randy out of the ring, gets disqualified for another year from the pro-ring and Ichiro dies from a stroke because the scene was just too shocking.

:rotfl if only

[Agmaster]

Actually, the arena quakes and cuases the ring to split open. A lord of demons rises from the fault, slaying the referee before empowering RBJ to take his rightful place by slaying this joke of a thunder god.

Miyata grins, gets the green eye and aims his gloved fist skyward. "Blah blah, I got heart..." The roof of the arena explodes as lightning rushes to his fish, transforming him into some OP lightning demon...thing.

Battle resumes or Miyata OHKOs him.

[Yak]

Actually, the arena quakes and cuases the ring to split open. A lord of demons rises from the fault, slaying the referee before empowering RBJ to take his rightful place by slaying this joke of a thunder god.

Miyata grins, gets the green eye and aims his gloved fist skyward. "Blah blah, I got heart..." The roof of the arena explodes as lightning rushes to his fish, transforming him into some OP lightning demon...thing.

Battle resumes or Miyata OHKOs him.

Yeah, but what if suddenly Jesus Date...

http://i39.tinypic.com/67s87s.jpg

[Agmaster]

In that case, not only am I in. But I am buying some HnI tanks and resuming roadwork.

[G-Man]

He switched from defense to evasion after figuring out Miyata's attack pattern several chapters ago. This style allows him to use both his fists for attacking rather than defense.

In any case I'm sticking to my failed comeback theory until the the ref says 10. I say in next chapters he makes his comeback punch at the end, only to have it go until 9 in the chapter after that. Then Miyata tries it again only to give Randy the KO 3 chapters from now.

Gods, I hope you're right.

And after that, it's discovered that Miyata is hurt so bad from the fight that we won't see him for months, preferrably for well over a year or two in real world time (at least a year in equivalent time in the manga), and when we finally see him again, he has finally modified his father's style to cover the holes in it (ala his sabbatical to Thailand where he learned Jolt Counter and returned good enough to defeat Arnie).

Maybe have us find out he was training in America (you want to be the best, train amongst the best afterall) and ran into Vorg and trained with him (and then they both come back as beasts).

[G-Man]

Yeah, but what if suddenly Jesus Date...

http://i39.tinypic.com/67s87s.jpg

If that happened, I think I'd be the one having a stroke... :amazed

[Nomeru]

Hmm.. I'm finally on the last legs of my ippo catching up journey, currently at ch 777. I'm very frustrated by ignition one though. Quality is quite low, and they have that big "attention"+text on the first page. Hoping to get a mq-hq release at some point at least, though I suppose that'll be pointless because I've already read it then. Grr, I'm sounding too negative. I am very thankfull for ignition one releasing it at all, I just wish there was some better quality.

Oh snoopy cool why did you quit.

[shinjowy]

Thanks Puar!

Argh!! That ref should have stopped the match a few chapters back. This fight really is just BS now.

We believe in you, RBJ!! Don't get caught by Miyata's "lucky punch"! Incidentally, even if Miyata does connect, he shouldn't be capable of generating enough power to do damage.

[Blizzard chain]

I'm just hoping that even if Miyata gets his "lucky punch", that he still looses. RBJ is too good to waste with one match. Miyata seriously needs to get the hell outa the featherweight ring and get a new style.

[haydenKyuubi]

ch842: This is turning in some epic bullshit, every chapter Miyata is in a worse tight spot, he's a zombie in the ring, and will this guy win?? Come on...

[Nomeru]

oO, from the sounds of it the randy boy jr vs miyata fight is still going oO, I just started it myself, nice that I finally caught up I guess, but I wanna know the results :O

[TruEorFalse_21]

oO, from the sounds of it the randy boy jr vs miyata fight is still going oO, I just started it myself, nice that I finally caught up I guess, but I wanna know the results :O

So does everyone else, but I doubt it will end the very next chapter, so you'll be waiting a few weeks with the rest of us.

[Nomeru]

Hmm.. looks to me like we got at least 3-4 chapters left, if Miyata were to somehow win, maybe 2-3 if he's going to lose.

[Unrequited Silence]

He wont lose...He can't..

[Nomeru]

It's hard for me to figure if he will or not, it's certainly for them to pull a come from behind victory, that seems to be what most of the fights are, but it's also possible for the story to develop if he loses. Ichiro's focused too much on his father's boxing style, and hasnt even attempted to really form his own. I think once he does that, he'll beat randy, if he doesnt now. Either way, I want Ippo to fight randy.

[Unrequited Silence]

He'll come to a realization that not only his father's boxing, but his own mixed together will prove formidable

[Hibari Kyoya]

If miyata wins via plot no justu again i'll lol so hard :rotfl

[korican04]

I'm on chapter 400....this is taking foooooooooor eevvvvvveeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr to get caught up to you guys.

[haydenKyuubi]

If miyata wins via plot no justu again i'll lol so hard :rotfl
You can start laughing.

[TruEorFalse_21]

You can start laughing.
Sure, but RBJ will have the last laugh and Miyata's comeback will end in failure.
I'm on chapter 400....this is taking foooooooooor eevvvvvveeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr to get caught up to you guys.

Really? Even though it's the longest series I've ever read it felt like a pretty easy read. Detective Conan on the other hand was like hell. Still worth it though.

[Hibari Kyoya]

it took me 3months t o get from the anime to the manga :hurr

[Nomeru]

it took me about a week, just caught up yesterday :D

[Ziko]

Does anyone know what chapter they explain how weight control works?
I think it was before Takamura fights Hawk

[korican04]

Does anyone know what chapter they explain how weight control works?
I think it was before Takamura fights Hawk

I just read that fight! Yeah it was that fight that they explained the harshships of weight management and the one right before when he looked like a mummy cause he took too many dumps.

I love the manga but I can't read too many chapters at a time so it takes a while.

[Fireball]

Sure, but RBJ will have the last laugh and Miyata's comeback will end in failure.



keep telling yourself that.:amuse

[Yak]

New Ippo colouring, guys :awesome

Warning, its a pretty damn big picture :LOS

http://i40.tinypic.com/sq61s7.jpg

[Hangatýr]

New Ippo colouring, guys :awesome

Warning, its a pretty damn big picture :LOS

http://i40.tinypic.com/sq61s7.jpg

YOU REALLY LOVE ME! <3

[Yak]

YOU REALLY LOVE ME! <3

I considered it an honour (and a pleasure at that. Mashiba <3 Sawamura <3)

[Dream Brother]

Yak = awesome.

Good choice on the colour schemes, too. Green really suits the reptile-like Sawamura, and purple (surprisingly) fits Mashiba well.

(Although the gloves could have stayed red. Or maybe just black?)

[Yak]

Eh, I like the idea of colourful gloves. Its a bit of a change from the same old red gloves in Ippo. =P Custommade boxer wear ftw :lmao

[Fireball]

nice coloring yak. i got a lot of hni colorings on my dA page as well. go check it out if you like :)

[Hangatýr]

If I ever get good at boxing I'll get a Green/Orange Lantern custom gear. :gar

So Yak, now I must demand you colour the entire fight. :hurr

[Yak]

So Yak, now I must demand you colour the entire fight. :hurr

Don't make me Chopping Right you :hurr

[Nomeru]

Nice job yak, I like how it's done, all the detail, although I think red and blue would have made more sense than green and purple, still very nice.

[Hangatýr]

Don't make me Chopping Right you :hurr

SENDOU SMASH YO ASS

Also, Nomeru: Green and red wouldn't suit Mashiba and Sawamura at all.

[Nomeru]

WHITE FANG!

I wonder how Vorg is doing (is it Volg or Vorg?), they showed one of his fights, but we havnt heard a whole lot from him in a while.

[Hangatýr]

Vorg.

And he's probably killing floor in his federation.

[KushyKage]

miyata's not really done for...he still could throw a strong but really readable-open book-telegraphing left. Which of course Randy Boy enjoys. Thats why if miyata lands that left it will be a lucky punch no matter what the manga says. It has to be right on the button of the chin at the right timing. Randy boy is ahead on points and on the verge of a k.o. victory but he's still could be drop i mean he took a shit load of punishment too.

[Hangatýr]

Maybe Miyata will land one of those Shiny Pokemon ultimate punches.

[Karotte]

WHITE FANG!

I wonder how Vorg is doing (is it Volg or Vorg?), they showed one of his fights, but we havnt heard a whole lot from him in a while.

they said in the manga, that his name means "wolf" in russian.

if you pronounce "wolf" in russian you say "volk" (волк) .

He is spelled Vorg because the Japanese have some difficulties with r/l. ;)

[Hangatýr]

His full name is actually Alexander Vorg Zangief, but that'd be a complete fuck fest. :awesome

[Segan]

Vorg's full name alone is already badass. :awesome

[Karotte]

I want to see a vorg fight. :awesome

[Lazlow]

Vorg vs Mashiba on the World stage... :drool

[Agmaster]

In mother russia, Vorg's name mangles you.

[jkingler]

In zany Japan, weird cat things draw Morikawa.

[Fist-Of-Lightning]

Hey its been a while since i was on the forums and all so im wondering have they fired up the new episodes of Hajime No Ippo yet?

By god i love both the manga and the anime, there are so many fights i want to see in the anime.


And people im sure you know it but Takamura = God :P

[Nomeru]

His full name is actually Alexander Vorg Zangief, but that'd be a complete fuck fest. :awesome

Lets have a try at it shal we? I'm not all that good with japanese, but this looks... fun?

Alexander: アレウサンデル (arekusanderu)
Vorg: ボールグ？ (boorugu)
Zangief:　ザンギーフ　(zangiifu)


stupid katagana.

[Unrequited Silence]

How did convo of Vorg start.

Too lazy to look up how

[Nomeru]

How did convo of Vorg start.

Too lazy to look up how

So Yak, now I must demand you colour the entire fight. :hurrDon't make me Chopping Right you :hurrSENDOU SMASH YO ASSWHITE FANG!

I wonder how Vorg is doing (is it Volg or Vorg?), they showed one of his fights, but we havnt heard a whole lot from him in a while.



that's how :D

[KushyKage]

well there's gotta be more russian boxers than vorg..he should go for russain belt before coming back an show his face to ippo.

[Perfect Moron]

Vorg: ボールグ？ (boorugu)

They ignore the g, since his boxing trunks read "vol". Gotta love Engrish.

[Yak]

I've been re-reading some older Ippo chapters and I must say that this was one of the most amazing moments in the entire manga:

http://img01.nj.us.mangafox.com/store/manga/231/51-454.0/compressed/ippo_vol_51_038.jpg

Sure, it was just a totally random thing that later on became a big useless joke but the way how Aoki managed to not only fool his opponent but basically the ENTIRE AUDIENCE, this is just godly. You can even see Itagaki's father and Takamura looking the other way. Aoki is the king of unorthodox boxing. XD

[Segan]

Yes, and afterwards Takamura tried to repeat the same move. He got smacked good for that.

[Yak]

Hey
Hey Segan

Guess what Eiji said to Ippo right before he went to fight with Ricardo?






"I'm having a Date!"


:ryoma

[Grandmaster Kane]

I've been re-reading some older Ippo chapters and I must say that this was one of the most amazing moments in the entire manga:

http://img01.nj.us.mangafox.com/store/manga/231/51-454.0/compressed/ippo_vol_51_038.jpg

Sure, it was just a totally random thing that later on became a big useless joke but the way how Aoki managed to not only fool his opponent but basically the ENTIRE AUDIENCE, this is just godly. You can even see Itagaki's father and Takamura looking the other way. Aoki is the king of unorthodox boxing. XD

Yeah that is diffently in my top 3

Yes, and afterwards Takamura tried to repeat the same move. He got smacked good for that.
Indeed. I also tried it in a real fight and it kinda worked. I got him to turn his head a good 40 degrees


The funniest part is that aoki got him TWICE with the same move

[Nomeru]

I thought that move was a bit unrealistic, sure you might be curious, but realistically, against someone that's good and focused, they'll hit you right in the face.

Anyone remember Takamura fighting before the Brian Hawk fight? he saw brian hawk and basically looked intently on him, in a somewhat similar manner but the other guy didnt care at all.

[Segan]

You must realize that Aokiji did that only after wearing out his opponent and thus weakening the focus. Takamura did it in the very beginning where the opponent was just pissed and went full throttle, thus made Aokiji's move totally useless.

[crazymtf]

Just wondering i haven't read the manga yet because i like to watch the series then read the manga. But I've played the wii game, now is it really true that that big balled built guy is the tranie that ippo was training early on in the series? The guy who threw up alot.

[Tracespeck]

Just wondering i haven't read the manga yet because i like to watch the series then read the manga. But I've played the wii game, now is it really true that that big balled built guy is the tranie that ippo was training early on in the series? The guy who threw up alot.

yes, shaves his hair and loses his eyebrows, same guy. geromichi if i recall correctly

[Segan]

Ah, you must be talking about Geromichi. Ippo did have a trainee, who was quite the wuss. Still, in the pro career, he came far enough to be able to challenge Ippo to a title match years later.

[crazymtf]

Yep that's him, thanks. That's crazy how different he looks.

[Puar]

New Ippo colouring, guys :awesome

Warning, its a pretty damn big picture :LOS

http://i40.tinypic.com/sq61s7.jpg

Sawamura has the luck of the Irish on his side!

Slap a Yak tag or something on it if you like and then I'll be sure and throw it into an upcoming chapter. (;

[Hangatýr]

SAWAMURA IS A MICK?! :uwah

So does that mean Mashiba pimp-slaps?

[Hangatýr]

yes, shaves his hair and loses his eyebrows, same guy. geromichi if i recall correctly

Naomichi Yamada, actually. =p

[Tobirama]

Anyone know the chapter number where Takamura takes a dump and puts it on Aoki's head?

[jkingler]

Geromichi is also correct. :P
So does that mean Mashiba pimp-slaps?
Does Mashiba have to flick' a bitch?

[Fireball]

RAW 843 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZAMUYKRY


miyata ninja roll was cool.:amuse

[Shroomsday]

If anyone has a mirror for that I'd much appreciate it, for some reason megaupload isn't loading for me.

[Lazlow]

Here you go, Shrooms:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zu1jkw2lymd

This is getting ridiculous...

[Shroomsday]

Thanks Lazlow.

All that getting punched in the face seems to have given Miyata a second wind. Clearly a rookie's mistake on RBJ's part.

[TruEorFalse_21]

Wow, what a lame chapter - does Morikawa intend on taking this to decision? That'd be a surprise, not a good one though.

[Kami-Sama]

This is such an annoying chp, nothing happened on the images, hopefully the text does better justice for my 1 week wait.

i want to know what they are saying so bad... this fight is irritating me... i thing the pages in black seems to be a flashback of the last punches and it sees that miyata noticed something... hopefully it doesn't work

[Wolfwood]

I admire Miyatas determination in this chapter, but he should still lose. Not much else to say about it though.

[TruEorFalse_21]

On, second thought I realized after looking through the images that Miyata plans to use his right at the end meaning something should happen next chapter.

[Segan]

Whatever the outcome of this fight will be, Miyata is bound to be on a long recovery hiatus afterwards.

[Bergelmir]

Since I can read the japanese, I thought I'd post the textual spoilers.

Put simply, Miyata has realized that Randy is always finishing with his left punch. So that one right counter punch Miyata has been saving is going to be unloaded now.

How long has this fight been going on now? It seems like forever...

[Segan]

Since I can read the japanese, I thought I'd post the textual spoilers.

Put simply, Miyata has realized that Randy is always finishing with his left punch. So that one right counter punch Miyata has been saving is going to be unloaded now.

How long has this fight been going on now? It seems like forever...Oh god, no. Please don't let Miyata get a comeback win!

[Dream Brother]

This seems a bit fishy to me, actually.

I mean, didn't someone else remark on Randy's predictable left-shot in the other chapter? Sendo, I think. Morikawa seems to have been stressing Randy's predictability with that shot for a while. It almost makes me think that he's setting Miyata up (and the readers) to depend on that big comeback punch, and yet throw something in there to mess it up at the last second, like Randy switching his stance/etc as Miyata throws. Reminds me of how they were all banking on Date's heartbreak shot to turn things around against Martinez.

[Gunners]

This fight is a bunch of bull shit. All I can really say, it should have been stopped when his ass touched the canvas this round should have been stopped last round when he was falling over from throwing punches. Only way my perspective of the fight will change is if Miyata lands his punch and Randy just takes it and breaks him down.

Also I am beginning to despise Ippo, he has no reason to have a grudge against Randy Boy jr other than being a little fangirl.

[Segan]

This seems a bit fishy to me, actually.

I mean, didn't someone else remark on Randy's predictable left-shot in the other chapter? Sendo, I think. Morikawa seems to have been stressing Randy's predictability with that shot for a while. It almost makes me think that he's setting Miyata up (and the readers) to depend on that big comeback punch, and yet throw something in there to mess it up at the last second, like Randy switching his stance/etc as Miyata throws. Reminds me of how they were all banking on Date's heartbreak shot to turn things around against Martinez.I don't think Randy's smart enough to set up a trap like that. If anything, it's more likely that Randy still won't be finished with that counter and will proceed to KO Miyata.

[Dream Brother]

I don't think Randy's smart enough to set up a trap like that. If anything, it's more likely that Randy still won't be finished with that counter and will proceed to KO Miyata.

Oh no, I didn't think Randy would be consciously setting anything up, I was talking solely about Morikawa setting Miyata and us up (just like Martinez didn't actually set any specific thing up, he just withstood the effects of the heartbreak shot because of Date's screwed up condition). I'm suspecting a similar thing to happen here, although it could be the stance switch that messes up Miyata too, which I would imagine as reflexive rather than premeditated on Randy's part, and thus not part of any real trap.

Either way, I REALLY hope this counter doesn't just instantly work and end the fight. That would piss me off.

[Haohmaru]

^More than exact same thing happening 3 chapters in a row? I actually hope the Miyata wins with his counter. But imo he's not gonna do just a simple counter, he's gonna hit Randy without Randy even realizing he got hit. You know the perfect counter. A simple right counter would be too obvious.

[Segan]

^More than exact same thing happening 3 chapters in a row? I actually hope the Miyata wins with his counter. But imo he's not gonna do just a simple counter, he's gonna hit Randy without Randy even realizing he got hit. You know the perfect counter. A simple right counter would be too obvious.
Don't make me neg you :sun

[Kami-Sama]

I don't think Randy's smart enough to set up a trap like that. If anything, it's more likely that Randy still won't be finished with that counter and will proceed to KO Miyata.

well he did follow sakaguchi's play to the tee, and is working out for him

[Haohmaru]

Don't make me neg you :sun
What's the Miyata hate for. You know you love him :kaga

[Segan]

Let Miyata retire like his father and make Sawamura do a comeback.

[Yak]

Well, that was stalling. Nothing more of interest or relevance happened in this chapter and I seriously begin to question what the whole point to the build-up of this fight was when in the end nothing matter anymore because sheer willpower can overcome seemingly any opponent.

This is getting ridiculous. Miyata has now durability that is on par with the heavy hitters like Ippo and Sendou, which, considering his normal physique as well as his harsh weight-control shouldn't be possible. Its fine when the message is that not giving up until the very last moment is a thing to aspire and can also save a boxer from one or the other pinch but when its capitalized on to the point where the already thinning logical aspects and the realism in Ippo becomes entirely redundant, then it needs to stop. Because then its got nothing to do with boxing anymore, its just Dragonball with gloves, just like Naruto is now Dragonball with a Ninja theme and One Piece... well, yeah. You get my point. Once the cliched shounen-formular takes over, things eventually become rather crappy.

In Ippo's case this would be even harsher on the manga since there aren't so many innovative options to make the storyline have many twists because it only revolves around the boxing sport at its core. Miyata is the suck right now. He keeps being pummeled to the point of no return, yet seemingly comes back stronger despite the growing damage. His body should be in ruins. And if he wins this, it will be serious garbage.

Morikawa better has a couple of explainations in that case, or lets him suffer from some massive or even permanent handicaps. Or, in the best case scenario, he surprises us by letting Miyata launch that last, fated counter. And have him miss his chance.

[Tobirama]

Didn't Ichiro's dad vs Randy's dad try the exact same maneuver? A counter he was sure to land but ended up with a shattered chin cause of the switch hitting? I want to see it again. :LOS

[Gunners]

On a side note, I wonder if a boxer like Mayweather will appear in the manga. I'd like to see how Ippo would deal with someone like that, I'd also like to see how he portrays the shoulder roll. I would prefer things like this that cheap tricks like Gedo.

[Hangatýr]

I just hope he doesn't have the Mayweather personality.

[Dream Brother]

I remember Miyata using the shoulder-roll out of the southpaw stance to hammer Mashiba. Long time ago, now.

[James]

I don't care whether Miyata wins or loses, I just want to see where the plot goes for him after finally getting this Randy Boy shit out of the way. I still remember when we first saw him outside the ring causing a "distraction" for Miyata. That was in the 600's or something. His entire character has revolved around this one fight for too long and to an extent it's been drawing away from Ippo's progress as well.

[Wuzzman]

Miyata is Ippo's Sasuke sadly. The cool side character that retards the plot by making the main character sound really, really gay.

[Violent By Design]

Well, that was stalling. Nothing more of interest or relevance happened in this chapter and I seriously begin to question what the whole point to the build-up of this fight was when in the end nothing matter anymore because sheer willpower can overcome seemingly any opponent.

This is getting ridiculous. Miyata has now durability that is on par with the heavy hitters like Ippo and Sendou, which, considering his normal physique as well as his harsh weight-control shouldn't be possible. Its fine when the message is that not giving up until the very last moment is a thing to aspire and can also save a boxer from one or the other pinch but when its capitalized on to the point where the already thinning logical aspects and the realism in Ippo becomes entirely redundant, then it needs to stop. Because then its got nothing to do with boxing anymore, its just Dragonball with gloves, just like Naruto is now Dragonball with a Ninja theme and One Piece... well, yeah. You get my point. Once the cliched shounen-formular takes over, things eventually become rather crappy.

In Ippo's case this would be even harsher on the manga since there aren't so many innovative options to make the storyline have many twists because it only revolves around the boxing sport at its core. Miyata is the suck right now. He keeps being pummeled to the point of no return, yet seemingly comes back stronger despite the growing damage. His body should be in ruins. And if he wins this, it will be serious garbage.

Morikawa better has a couple of explainations in that case, or lets him suffer from some massive or even permanent handicaps. Or, in the best case scenario, he surprises us by letting Miyata launch that last, fated counter. And have him miss his chance.

I think you're over reacting about this. I mean comparing him to a heavy hitter? Morikawa has defintly showed that Miyata can't take a hit nearly as good as the other guys. You're talking as if he's dancing circles around Randy Boy. He's literally hanging on by a thread, he's just firing away to stall (in which were finding out he's setting up for a counter).

He's been dead for like 2 rounds. So by round 5 (maybe 4) he's been completely drained of stamina, knocked down quite a few times and is really really close to having the fight stopped (of course his dad is too much of a typical anime dad to let that happen). In fact the round post rib injury he digressed heavily to the point where the tide shifted. Then when his rib was broken well...ya know.

I'm expecting Randy Boy to win this one. I really like how this one is ending personally :pek

[Hangatýr]

Miyata is Ippo's Sasuke sadly. The cool side character that retards the plot by making the main character sound really, really gay.

Except that Miyata isn't nearly as gay as Sauce.

[Bergelmir]

The ref for this fight should be fired and black listed for letting it go on as far as it has.

You know what would be a twist? If, win or lose, Miyata ends up in a coma or vegetative state or something that permanently keeps him out of the ring. I mean, the ultimate goal of the story isn't Miyata vs Ippo, but Ippo finding out what it means to be strong. Miyata being out of commission would urge Ippo several steps down that path (after the necessary angst ridden chapters, of course).

[DrunkenYoshimaster]

^ I wouldnt be surprised if he winds up punch drunk like Nekota was. If Randy Boy loses I wonder if we'll be seeing RBJ again.Maybe vs Sendo or something. I'd like to see Miyata advance to his proper weight class after this. Im justdoubtful he escapes without any damage.

Fortunately for him, despite losing a couple fights, unlike Ippo, he escapes most fights unscathed. So all the damage he took here isnt compounding on previous injuries.

[Bergelmir]

If we do see Randy Boy again, I'm guessing it will be as Martinez's opponent or something. He really only has ties to Miyata.

More than that, I think its about time somebody crippled that fat Don King wannabe publicist that Randy Boy has right now. The guy is so fracking annoying.

[Hangatýr]

Sawamura vs. Mr Sakaguchi, anyone?

[knuman]

Uh oh...chapter 843 looks very much like a comeback might be in store...I certainly hope not. Counter uppercut has to be the way to go. But how he can possibly throw an effective uppercut (or any punch) with broken ribs, no power, no stamina, and enough damage to kill a man makes me wonder...but then again, most of what has happened in this fight already defies all logic and reason, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. This has turned out to be one of the major fights and longer fights in the seres (23 chapters and counting) - actually, does that make it the longest?

[Violent By Design]

C'mon guys we've seen much crazier shit in these fights. HNI isn't that realistic. The refs never stop the fights :haha

[Windwaker]

Miyata is Ippo's Sasuke sadly. The cool side character that retards the plot by making the main character sound really, really gay.

Haha, this is true...although i like miyata's character more than sasuke.

Mainly because miyata has his weaknesses and hes always struggling to get around them...that, and i respect that hes clung so hard to his dad's boxing style.

[Hibari Kyoya]

edit- seen raw lol all i have to say is PNJ!!

[TruEorFalse_21]

C'mon guys we've seen much crazier shit in these fights. HNI isn't that realistic. The refs never stop the fights :haha

That's not true, with the exception of Manabu's fights the fights aren't very unrealistic and only a few of his fights surpass this in terms of crazy.

[Unrequited Silence]

I told you so..All I gotta say.

[Violent By Design]

That's not true, with the exception of Manabu's fights the fights aren't very unrealistic and only a few of his fights surpass this in terms of crazy.

Yes they aren't that realistic. I've had plenty of friends who love the series but always mention how alot of the spirit stuff is bull. Guts can only get you so far and almost every fight in HNI consist of a ton of guts. The series isn't that realistic, it has more realistic features than most other manga of it's demography but it'd be a serious stretch to call it realistic.

I'm not even including the stuff that is for over dramatic effect since that is a given.

I really don't see how this fight is crazy in terms of durability. Miyata hasn't done anything since he's been injured where fights like Ippo vs Sanada or Ippo vs Sendo guys are fighting at unbelievable paces despite broken bones or pretty much being shut down completely in terms of stamina.

[Yak]

Just watched the raw for episode 7 of New Challenger. When Martinez rushes in and finally takes Date seriously, they play a nice music theme that suits Ricardo pretty well, especially.

[TruEorFalse_21]

Yes they aren't that realistic. I've had plenty of friends who love the series but always mention how alot of the spirit stuff is bull. Guts can only get you so far and almost every fight in HNI consist of a ton of guts. The series isn't that realistic, it has more realistic features than most other manga of it's demography but it'd be a serious stretch to call it realistic.

I'm not even including the stuff that is for over dramatic effect since that is a given.

I really don't see how this fight is crazy in terms of durability. Miyata hasn't done anything since he's been injured where fights like Ippo vs Sanada or Ippo vs Sendo guys are fighting at unbelievable paces despite broken bones or pretty much being shut down completely in terms of stamina.
So you and your friends think "spirit" and "guts" aren't important but a certain person once said:

"A champion is one who gets up when he can't" - Jack Dempsey

I'm pretty sure that what he's saying is that it requires exactly that - "guts" or "spirit," and since this guy was actually Heavyweight boxing champion who this manga was partially based on and not some random fan of a series I feel his opinion matters a bit more than you or your friends.

The difference here is that Miyata's on a really harsh weight control in addition to having his body broken and using all his energy in the early rounds. Right now he shouldn't even be standing at all much less permitted to fight by the ref. Even so the ref has decided that in spite of those two ridiculous slips he's okay to continue. This goes far beyond what's happened up until now in terms of crazyness.

[Eloking]

lol

Jack Dempsey was fighting in the 1920th. You have to go far to find a notable comeback victory with "guts" in modern boxing.

Most of the last fight we saw are, sadly, unrealistic. I still love this series, but I hope we'll have some decent one in the near future.

[Caso]

yo guys, I would appreciate if someone could post a link to download vol 86+!
Its been a long time ago, thnx!

[Locard]

Miyata is screwing the manga again :(

[camus]

wow, how lame can you get. Seriously if Miyata makes a comeback given the circumstances he is in I will stop reading the manga, its just that bad.

Its pure bullshit, I hope I'm wrong but this will be the first bull shit fight in the manga. At least other times the fights were some how even.

[Locard]

Its pure bullshit, I hope I'm wrong but this will be the first bull shit fight in the manga.
it wont be the first one, but surely will be the worst:notrust

adding the fact that Miyata sucks and we all would be happier if he gtfo of the manga for good and stops dragging the plot and making Ippo look gay altogether

please Randy, win! :(

[Windwaker]

it wont be the first one, but surely will be the worst:notrust

adding the fact that Miyata sucks and we all would be happier if he gtfo of the manga for good and stops dragging the plot and making Ippo look gay altogether

please Randy, win! :(

I like miyata, although ippo's gayness is kind of annoying...

However, i definitely dont want miyata to win this fight now, it would just be too ridiculous

[Jotun]

I don't see how anyone can enjoy this fight.

I wanna see Ippo take on the world :pek

[Eldritch]

Lots of hate sparked by recent chapters

I like Randy way better than Miyata as well.

[Karotte]

Randy HAS to win!

Miyata is screwing with the manga, it's so annoying. :(

[Dream Brother]

lol

Jack Dempsey was fighting in the 1920th. You have to go far to find a notable comeback victory with "guts" in modern boxing.


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Granted, I still agree that Miyata should have been stopped by TKO a round (or two?) ago, when it seemed that he was dead on his feet.

[Yak]

I don't think this is the worst fight in the manga so far, I really enjoyed the first half of it, which is saying a lot compared to the entire Gedo-fight and Ippo's totally neglectable encounter with that old bearded veteran guy. That could've been skipped outright and served no real purpose. Gedo's fight - as horrible as it was - at least paved the way for the introduction of Randy somehow but other than that it was also completely useless.

Oh well, I will be patient. The fight should be over soon now anyway and we can all hope for a conclusion with a proper impact to the story, whatever that will be. I only hope Randy sticks around as a character, I've really grown to like him.

[G-Man]

I don't think this is the worst fight in the manga so far, I really enjoyed the first half of it, which is saying a lot compared to the entire Gedo-fight and Ippo's totally neglectable encounter with that old bearded veteran guy. That could've been skipped outright and served no real purpose. Gedo's fight - as horrible as it was - at least paved the way for the introduction of Randy somehow but other than that it was also completely useless.

Oh well, I will be patient. The fight should be over soon now anyway and we can all hope for a conclusion with a proper impact to the story, whatever that will be. I only hope Randy sticks around as a character, I've really grown to like him.

Personally, I liked the fight with Malcom Gedoh. I think it was drawn out way longer than it should have been, but it was still enjoyable, and Gedoh made for an interesting one-shot villain. He's easily my 2nd favorite of all of Ippo's opponents so far after Sawamura (3rd is Vorg, barely beating out #4 Mashiba). He talked shit, but could back it up ("compared to staring down the barrell of a gun, those big soft gloves coming at me just make me laugh") and was fairly funny for an HnI villain.

[Puar]

wow, how lame can you get. Seriously if Miyata makes a comeback given the circumstances he is in I will stop reading the manga, its just that bad.

Its pure bullshit, I hope I'm wrong but this will be the first bull shit fight in the manga. At least other times the fights were some how even.

As opposed to Miyata's totally non-bullshit, one-hit comeback wins against Jimmy Sisfa and Arnie Gregory, right? (;

This is a much better showing than both of those, even if it's the same exact formula all over again.

Personally, I liked the fight with Malcom Gedoh. I think it was drawn out way longer than it should have been...

Yeah, all the fights have been drawn out longer than they probably needed to be (probably ever since the Take fight). It's just how the story is paced now. The epic Lallapallooza was only 16 chapters from the first bell to the last. The equally, if not awesomer Hawk Battle was 17 chapters. This current fight's 23 chapters and counting from the first gong. And this is the be-all-end-all of Miyata matches, so you couldn't have expected it to be short.

These aren't the speedy quick, compressed fights from the days of yore anymore. If you can't handle reading it on a weekly basis, then maybe you should probably stockpile and wait for sufficient chunks to wade through or for the entire fight to pass instead of bitching every week. (;

Aaaaaaaaaaanyhow...

I can see it now! The light at the end of the tunnel, a Triple Cross Counter. (;

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[Lord Genome]

Well at least the ref tried to stop the fight anyway

[Shroomsday]

If you're gonna pull a punch out of your ass, it might as well be the anal counter. I think the series has been in a slight decline for a while though, the Gedo fight for instance, seemed much worse than this. Just gotta hope it picks up again.

[Sigbin-Puti]

i think all those lefts of randy is a set-up for a switch.

[shinjowy]

I can see it now! The light at the end of the tunnel, a Triple Cross Counter. (;


Haha, and then Randy just snuffs out that light with his Asura Bloody Cross (;

Well, it (sadly) looks like Miyata's pretty much set-up to win this match. Hopefully RBJ stays around as a character, as he's really grown on me.

Then again, he could always fight in a higher weight class, thereby allowing a match between him and Mashiba or Vorg.

[Eloking]

To Dream Brother

Yep, Foreman-Moorer was the last unbelievable comeback we had in the last decades. I highly suggest everyone to see the video Dream Brother posted.

EDIT : Btw, at the time of that comeback, Foreman was 46 years old!

[ximkoyra]

The worst part of the entire Gedoh fight was that Kamogawa ended up giving him money anyways :wth It was an awful fight with an even worse post-fight handling. I was just glad when it was over :C

[Tobirama]

i think all those lefts of randy is a set-up for a switch.

It's gonna end up just like their daddies' fight; a Miyata on the floor with a broken jaw.

[Karotte]

It's gonna end up just like their daddies' fight; a Miyata on the floor with a broken jaw.

i really hope so:amuse

[Perfect Moron]

Basic story telling says plans only work if the reader doesn't know them. We aren't aware of the details of Miyata's punch, but since we know he's gonna use Randy's predictable lefts to hit it I'd say there's a good chance it'll fail. Otherwise, they'd leave that explanation for when it actually hits.

[Tracespeck]

Basic story telling says plans only work if the reader doesn't know them. We aren't aware of the details of Miyata's punch, but since we know he's gonna use Randy's predictable lefts to hit it I'd say there's a good chance it'll fail. Otherwise, they'd leave that explanation for when it actually hits.

That's a good point. I'd say if miyata threw a right uppercut he might win, if it's a right straight/cross then he gets his jaw broken and loses. Hopefully he throws a right uppercut and finds out he is too weak to do any damage and gets his jaw broken. I think randy is actually baiting miyata with the lefts though, and that will be the surprise twist.

[keikai24]

I was just thinking that.

[Zeroshin]

I really do hope that Randy winning is the surprise twist -_-

[Ben Grimm]

Randy Boy Junior forever.

Kamogawa: You're a failure as a trainer and as a father.

[Yulwei]

I've decided to pick this up after seeing the following it has and how long it's been going I'm only 5 chapters in but it's impressing me more than HxH which had a lot of hype but which I found seriousley wanting in many respects

[Unrequited Silence]

Miyata will win

[Ben Grimm]

To Yulwei: It is a very addictive manga. Some incredible fights and lots of emotion. I loved Kimura vs Mashiba and Sawamura vs Mashiba. You get to learn about each of Ippo's opponents and appreciate them for different qualities.

[Yulwei]

I believe you I haven't stopped reading since I posted. I like the fact it's not just a question of skill or power like other mangas that turn into power levels but it's a clash of characters in which there isn't really a good guy or a bad guy

[Ben Grimm]

Oh, I wouldn't say that. Wait until you get to guys like Sawamura, Bryan Hawk and Mashiba.

Oh man, you are so going to love Sawamura vs Mashiba. muahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

[Jihad Uzamaki]

Oh, I wouldn't say that. Wait until you get to guys like Sawamura, Bryan Hawk and Mashiba.

Oh man, you are so going to love Sawamura vs Mashiba. muahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Brian Hawk wasn't really a "bad guy"... he was just an asshole, much like Takamura.

Sawamura and Mashiba on the other hand....:obama


JihaD

PS- Randy wins this, Miyata survives and moves up a class, and Ippo trains for revenge for his "buddy" Miyata.

JihaD

[Wing-Zero]

Miyata is gonna pull off a jolt counter and win this. Even if Miyata did lose, I don't think he'd go up a weight class.

[Hangatýr]

Brian Hawk wasn't really a "bad guy"... he was just an asshole, much like Takamura.

Sawamura and Mashiba on the other hand...

Nope.

Mashiba needs to be hard in order to take care of his little sister, for whom he'll go down to hell for, and Sawamura simply had a very fucked up childhood.

[Lord Genome]

Im not sure how Hawk isnt a bad guy character

he was pretty much made out to be a huge asshole and a racist bastard

[Segan]

A bad guy is someone who kills or lets people get killed for...well, bad reasons.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

I was just reading the Sawa Vs Mash fight again, since I'd forgot how it went, and came across a page I thought was interesting. It seems very applicable to the current situation. Take note of what Nekota says...
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Then there's also this...
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Miyata's damage is still too ridiculous though. The non-stop hits to the face especially. I mean, the body blows could maybe be understandable if Randy's power didnt get hype, but with broken ribs and all. lol. Meh. I feel like Morikawa would be killing all tension in all fights in the future if Randy loses.

[Fireball]

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bye bye randy boy :amuse

[Segan]

I knew it. I fucking knew it.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

I'm very disappointed. I was hoping for him to miss and Randy to put an end to this. Sigh, Miyata didn't even look like he changed his style of boxing or anything. I'm presumming the trans will say something along the lines of him surpassing his father, and perhaps throwing a diffrent kind of punch. Regardless, I'm still disappointed, if indeed Miyata has won. Mind you, it's not that it shouldn't have been predictable and that the signs weren't there. It's more the fact Randy winning would just mean so much more, in my opinion, to shaping (interesting) events in the manga.

On the up side, it looks like Miyata's ribs and all that weren't shattered before he threw the punch. So at the very least, it means when he threw it he was in better condition then Date. meh. I still say it's not over yet. Randy will rise liek a demon, and that will be it. Miayata will be broken. RANDY WILL NOT LOSE> I won't accept it until I see that shit 100%.

[Karotte]

THAT'S FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS!! :wth :wth !!!

Why the fuck does Randy go down after one hit of miyata?!

He should win the fight to let miyata develop his character and style, because his fights are fucking ridiculous and awful!

Man i'm pissed. :pek

[Wolfwood]

This is just bullshit. Miyatas ribs shatterd to tiny pieces, probably causing some serious internal bleeding too, while he countered Randys punch and he still did enough damage to knock Randy unconcious? I call total bullshit. I hope Randy will get up after all and then he should just kill Miyata. Thank you very much.

[Hibari Kyoya]

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL sorry but thats just BS altho i think randy will get back up and Miyata will go down from all his injuries :ho or maybe thats wishful thinking??

[Bergelmir]

Huh. So it really happened... :facepalm

[Eldritch]

BAWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Ben Grimm]

BULLSHITT!!!!!!!!!!

[VonDoom]

Good grief. :notrust

Well, on the bright side, at least it's just a down and not a full fledged knockout, right? :(

[Skylit]

Ridiculous. Just ridiculous.

My favorite Character is Miyata, but that is just ridiculous.

Ridiculous Bullshit...

[Agmaster]

Really I just didn't want to feel left out. Is it really that shocking? Too have Miyata lose again may bring development but noone would care about Miyata anymore. Miyata's kind of a cash cow for Mori I assume.

[Segan]

Oh, wenn das nicht der schnöde Mammon ist. :awesome

Wie geht's?

[Locard]

Miyata. you suck :pek

Damn, i want this match to end already!:X3

C'mon Miyata, end it!

we know you're gonna win this bullshit match with your bullshit counter

so end this now, and let the manga move on!

[Ben Grimm]

Super Optimal Transmetal Optimus Bullshit!!!

Miata was fighting for selfish desires and unwillingness to change. Randy has a three dimensional character.

Randy had every advantage, he should have won it. Miyata was falling over with broken ribs.

[Agmaster]

Super Optimal Transmetal Optimus Bullshit!!!

Miata was fighting for selfish desires and unwillingness to change. Randy has a three dimensional character.

Randy had every advantage, he should have won it. Miyata was falling over with broken ribs.


Miyata must've genjutsu'd randy long enough to disrupt Asura.

[Dream Brother]

Ugh.

Just ugh.

[Unrequited Silence]

I told you so is in good order.

[Yak]

Wow. This is Kubo-level writing. The Miyata's are the biggest faggots in the Ippoverse and anyone who claims Ichiro isn't the Sasuke of this manga needs a fucking reality check.

Mori, WANK MOAR :facepalm

I hope this ends soon because if this farce drags on any longer I honestly won't give a flying fuck anymore. There is only one thing to do now for Morikawa to save this pathetic and anticlimactic turn in the fight, and that is have Randy getting up and winning this.

[Unrequited Silence]

^^ Not happening. IF Miyata loses this match his character will loose to much credibility. He needs to win this match. PERIOD.

[Hibari Kyoya]

I almost feel as robbed as when Vorg was robbed by Sendoh

[Dream Brother]

Credibility? Wasn't Randy built up as 'talent personified' and the 'worst possible matchup' for Miyata? Simply putting up such a good fight would make Miyata seem very credible indeed, in my opinion. I don't think he has to win at all.

[Unrequited Silence]

Why thats to be expected. He had wayy to many set backs to lose this too..Plus he had to redeem his father...they both couldnt lose what would be the point of all the hype..

[Yak]

^^ Not happening. IF Miyata loses this match his character will loose to much credibility. He needs to win this match. PERIOD.

AHAHAHA

Lose. TO MUCH... credibility? This is a bad joke, right? He already lost it all with this BULLSHIT. Its the only way to redeem him as a character if he loses this or is at least off the pro ring for the minimum of a year because he needs some serious break and being put out of shape to even remotely even out this plot-punch of biblical proportions a little.

[Unrequited Silence]

LOL I knew he'd win..Im not even a fan boy..its just logical..

[Segan]

One can only hope that Randy gets up and fucking ends Miyata's career for good. I really can't be bothered to care for Miyata's goal anymore.

At least we have Itagaki's A-Tourney to look forward, altough I fear that Morikawa will end up completely copying the DBZ powerlevel mechanism by visually exaggerating speed feats.

[Yak]

LOL I knew he'd win..Im not even a fan boy..its just logical..

But it doesn't make it any good. And it has nothing to do with logic at all. Only with favourism. Logic would have meant Miyata cashing out after all of Randy's attacks post-rib fracture.

[Unrequited Silence]

What I meant by logic. Was not logic on real boxing, but logic-wise speaking specifically about the plot. Plot wise.. It logically made sense for him to win.

[Karotte]

I hope Miyata will die by an airplane crash when he has to defend his OPBF title next time. :(

[Segan]

What I meant by logic. Was not logic on real boxing, but logic-wise speaking specifically about the plot. Plot wise.. It logically made sense for him to win.That may be right, but it's still frustrating. Morikawa gave himself a golden opportunity to further develop Miyata's character and pave the way for a great fight between RBJ and Ippo.

But if Miyata wins like that, all the good possibilities are down the drain.

[Yak]

What I meant by logic. Was not logic on real boxing, but logic-wise speaking specifically about the plot. Plot wise.. It logically made sense for him to win.

I still disagree. When this fight began, all you could do was basically guesswork. Nothing actually hinted at Miyata REALLY winning this in the beginning. In short, you called on a hunch and over the course of the battle got lucky it was fulfilled.

[Yak]

That may be right, but it's still frustrating. Morikawa gave himself a golden opportunity to further develop Miyata's character and pave the way for a great fight between RBJ and Ippo.

But if Miyata wins like that, all the good possibilities are down the drain.

I agree. Morikawa risks much and gains little from a possible victory of Miyata. Sure, Randy is out of the way as an obstacle. But do you think this would in any way further the relationship between Ichiro and Ippo at all? Its not like it could just go back to the way it was before the ties with the Miyatas were cut by Kamogawa. Its not like Ichiro and Ippo will just happily have their promised match now, that would just be completely incredible (yeah, I mean, in the sense that it is NOT credible).

In my opinion it isolates Miyata even more from the cast of the other characters and puts him in an even less likeable situation. I mean, what was the point of all this pseudo-heart-breaking family moment bullshit in this chapter anyway?

Morikawa trying to show us that Miyata Sr. isn't an incompetent and selfish douchebag who failed both as a father and as a trainer and that his son is going to become just like him? Lol. Trying to justify Ichiro's selfish decission to prove his father's boxing style when the ACTUAL, the ONLY suitable opponent to prove that to himself and to his father would be a match with his rival and friend Ippo? If Ichiro had one ounce of manliness and dignity in him, he would have outright walked over Randy since they have no buisness with each other. Morikawa, you can't make Miyata's foundation for his personality both a righteous course AND a vendetta. You have to choose one.

Either Ichiro is interested in proving that a boxing style, that of his father, is good enough for the pro-ring - which is a noble thing and something revolving around technique, a passionless decission...

OR you have him go out of his way, cut his ties to his friends and take revenge for having his father been made a boxing-cripple on a guy he doesn't even know one INCH of his lifestory. Which makes him... well, a Sasuke.

[Unrequited Silence]

I agree. Morikawa risks much and gains little from a possible victory of Miyata. Sure, Randy is out of the way as an obstacle. But do you think this would in any way further the relationship between Ichiro and Ippo at all? Its not like it could just go back to the way it was before the ties with the Miyatas were cut by Kamogawa. Its not like Ichiro and Ippo will just happily have their promised match now, that would just be completely incredible (yeah, I mean, in the sense that it is NOT credible).

In my opinion it isolates Miyata even more from the cast of the other characters and puts him in an even less likeable situation. I mean, what was the point of all this pseudo-heart-breaking family moment bullshit in this chapter anyway?

Morikawa trying to show us that Miyata Sr. isn't an incompetent and selfish douchebag who failed both as a father and as a trainer and that his son is going to become just like him? Lol. Trying to justify Ichiro's selfish decission to prove his father's boxing style when the ACTUAL, the ONLY suitable opponent to prove that to himself and to his father would be a match with his rival and friend Ippo? If Ichiro had one ounce of manliness and dignity in him, he would have outright walked over Randy since they have no buisness with each other. Morikawa, you can't make Miyata's foundation for his personality both a righteous course AND a vendetta. You have to choose one.

Either Ichiro is interested in proving that a boxing style, that of his father, is good enough for the pro-ring - which is a noble thing and something revolving around technique, a passionless decission...

OR you have him go out of his way, cut his ties to his friends and take revenge for having his father been made a boxing-cripple on a guy he doesn't even know one INCH of his lifestory. Which makes him... well, a Sasuke.

If Miyata lost this match and Ippo faught him and won, that would destroy Miyata's Ego and further distance them apart. Miyata not only needed to win this fight for his own self esteem, but this also sets him and Ippo up to both advance towards the world.

[Code]

Had Ippo won under more ridiculous conditions, I can see there being copmlaints but not nearly as much. Especially considering there was about as much complaining earlier on in the match when Miyata was winning (just because he was winning).

Which makes it seem to me that the primary reason for complaining is the Miyata-hate and Ippo-love (wanting RBJ to lose just to so Ippo can beat him, making him seem as nothing but another stepping stone for Ippo.)

While I personally would've preferred it either ended much earlier during the time when the only thing saving RBJ was the bell and Miyata tripping over his leg. Or the referee stopping the match by the time Miyata started rolling around the ring and crawling towards his corner.

But at this point, I don't really mind the results (assuming Miyata does win.) Overall a good fight, and certainly better (IMO) than Ippo's post-Sawamura matches (which I'd put above only Aoki's fights, with the excpetion of his title fight.)

Also assuming he wins, I think the situation as to what Miyata is going to do is a lot more unpredictable than him losing. And Ippo simply faced him to undoubtedly win (just because he's Ippo.) Especially considering the greater emphasis on how he no longer belongs at the Featherweight division. There'd be a much less obvious choice Miyata has to face.

[Segan]

If Miyata lost this match and Ippo faught him and won, that would destroy Miyata's Ego and further distance them apart. Miyata not only needed to win this fight for his own self esteem, but this also sets him and Ippo up to both advance towards the world.Oh, gimme a freaking break.

Morikawa could've had Miyata develop from ground zero and change his style to something that suited him more than his father's style. Character-wise it worked after he lost to Mashiba back in the rookie tourney, but he got stale after it became clear that he wouldn't ever fight Ippo in the pro ring. The fight with Randy was a godsend chance to make Miyata more interesting if he lost and give the story an interesting twist.

If Miyata truly wins this match, he's essentially finished, as far as the series goes. He proved his style for once and all, won't fight Ippo at all. Moving up his weight class? What will that do? He's originally a lightweight, as stated by his father.

There will be absolutely nothing interesting afterwards. It's just as Yak said, his win will further isolate him from the rest of the cast.

Edit @Code: That's just false. Ippo's post-Sawamura fight were just dislikeable, but not exactly the bullshit we're being served here.

[Yak]

If Miyata lost this match and Ippo faught him and won, that would destroy Miyata's Ego and further distance them apart. Miyata not only needed to win this fight for his own self esteem, but this also sets him and Ippo up to both advance towards the world.

Or it would have proven that Ippo simply remains the stronger one. Miyata could then have still chosen from several options. For example, admitting that his dad's boxing isn't cut for the proring and retire (very unlikely). Keep chasing after Ippo until he beats him. Or realizing that his father's boxing, while laying the foundations for Ichiro's style, is long overdue for some individual improvements. Overall still far more favourable that the scenario we are currently heading into.

And Miyata really has more than enough self esteem. The guy who constantly worries is Ippo. Not the handsome cool guy who claims that his counter can take down anyone in the ring. Seriously, counter is the new sharingan.

[Unrequited Silence]

But all of that can still happen. He barely won this fight (assuming he won) So if he walks away from this he will realize that to proceed further he will need to make refinements to his dads boxing style to truly challenge the world

[Segan]

No, he wouldn't change a damn thing in his style.

[Unrequited Silence]

I know that was hopeful thinking lol

[Yak]

Had Ippo won under more ridiculous conditions, I can see there being copmlaints but not nearly as much. Especially considering there was about as much complaining earlier on in the match when Miyata was winning (just because he was winning).

Which makes it seem to me that the primary reason for complaining is the Miyata-hate and Ippo-love (wanting RBJ to lose just to so Ippo can beat him, making him seem as nothing but another stepping stone for Ippo.)


I'm not even an Ippo fan and it has nothing to do with Miyata hate. The sole reason for this complaining is that Ippo has been known for these kinds of durability come-backs since the manga's start while in Miyata's case it has been repeatedly capitalized on that his physique is naturally weak and that while weight control makes him sharper as a fighter, additionally weakens him. Even to the point where he started tripping over PEBBLES.

And the same guy stands now in the ring with busted ribs and takes one hammer blow after the other to the head, UNGARDED and still throws the most fabulous counters when normally there should be blood vessels bursting in his head and he should long have toppled over with inverted eyeballs. Its just not bearable anymore when Morikawa is forcing the victory on someone so much that the difference in physical attributes doesn't even matter anymore, all that only to justify Miyata's purpose as a character. By the same logic you could have put him in the ring with Takamura and he still would've gotten up thanks to 'Gattsu'. Face-fucking-palm.

Also, if Ippo beats Randy it also doesn't have to be easy and it also doesn't have to turn Randy into a stepping stone. I mean, the poor guy is a relatively new character who has barely been introduced and barely fleshed out yet even. He could stick around as a fix character in the pro ring and encounter other boxers in the Ippo-verse, heck, even have a weightclass change, like Sawamura did. Randy only wants the belt, wants A belt, he has no ties to Miyata and Ippo at all. Thus he also doesn't have to have his fate tied to the development of either his opponents.

While I personally would've preferred it either ended much earlier during the time when the only thing saving RBJ was the bell and Miyata tripping over his leg. Or the referee stopping the match by the time Miyata started rolling around the ring and crawling towards his corner.

But at this point, I don't really mind the results (assuming Miyata does win.) Overall a good fight, and certainly better (IMO) than Ippo's post-Sawamura matches (which I'd put above only Aoki's fights, with the excpetion of his title fight.)

Also assuming he wins, I think the situation as to what Miyata is going to do is a lot more unpredictable than him losing. And Ippo simply faced him to undoubtedly win (just because he's Ippo.) Especially considering the greater emphasis on how he no longer belongs at the Featherweight division. There'd be a much less obvious choice Miyata has to face.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess. I still would prefer Randy winning this because he clearly has shown to be the better boxer, not the guy with the better background story, like Ichiro. That's all the priority Morikawa currently has and its all his justification he has to have Ichiro win this. I just feel really disappointed how a promising new boxer gets nerved so much only that the sobstory that has honestly been beaten to death and no one really cares about gets its fulfilment and justification in the manga. Cause, lets be honest - the only thing that really was thrilling about Miyata was his rivalry to Ippo and the promise of a re-match. Which is currently void. And not this pathos-dripping tale of proving his father's boxing. Snort. Heck, even Randy's is more interesting as he taught himself boxing by himself after his father's death. And he still bears no grudge and is only ambitious for the title and not for selfish personal reasons.

Meh. Whatever. I guess to each their own, some'll like it, some won't. I personally feel a bit betrayed right now since I have grown to like Randy over the course of this match and winning right now would be a far better opportunity to advance his personality than have him lose now and then make him go through the ordeal of long, pointless fodder come-back matches where he crawls to the top again and then pops up as the random challenger. AGAIN.

[Agmaster]

US; You are who he writing this manga for now. Because apparently you see what Mori's vision is and why it's good.

I give Mori credit. I came into this fight not caring, got enthused when Miyata pulled his trump card and then it just fell off. Miyata shoulda won, I think. But he should have won using the the sloppy counter that he had to take a hit for. It seems like an impomptu evolution of the style and yeh...Randy woulda got jobbed...but who the fuck really cares?

Miyata goes on wondering how to mimick his fist that won the fight, which wasn't his dad's style. Mori's problem is this whole dragging thing. The fight took too long so people lost interest. But people still kept the details so this ingloriously long fight have you lot knowing each of Miyata's injuries. That's lack of interest + failed drama piling on via damage. Yeh, I'm backseat manga writing, but so?

[knuman]

Hang on a second - everyone's jumping to the conclusion that Miyata has just won the fight from that counter punch. I still say it's not over yet, unless all Morikawa is planning next chapter is 15 pages of Randy trying to get up but failing (at the bottom of the last page of 844 it says Miyata is on the front cover next week, so that is a strong possibility!).

However, something tells me that might not be the case. First, there is that dreaded uppercut that we still haven't seen. If the fight ended just like that it would seem a little strange after spending so many chapters talking about it before the fight. Second, I wouldn't expect the fight to end without Randy doing the last second switch like his old man (whether it works or not is a separate question). If the fight ended this way then all that build up was for nothing. Third, Morikawa could have ended the fight in THIS chapter had he wanted to show Miyata winning (ie stopping the fight without a count). None of the characters, including Miyata and his dad, acted like they had just won the fight. It was just a good counter that shifted momentum again. Lastly, the counter was a little lame, or at least that's how it looked on the page. It wasn't one of those 'all or nothing' punches like the ones we saw against Sisfa or Gregory (or was it?).

I'm hoping Morikawa is setting this up to look like another typical Miyata victory, but there would be a twist somehow. Not saying Miyata will definitely lose in the end, but I don't think he's won just yet.

[Agmaster]

Do you hear yourself? You're really thinking anything justifies dragging this fight out further? I never claimed Miyata won, simply said that how Mori laid this fight out turned out boring me to the point of not caring what happens and really aving little invested in the characters.

Furthermore...do you HEAR yourself, you want Morikawa to effectively pull a Kubo? Think of Mashiba as soul society. Action packed, filled with emotional investment, twist ending. Now...think of RBJ as HM. Improved art, action packed with little actual progression (this fight took how long? I don't care how important you say it is, it took how long?), filled with 'emotional investment' {only we don't care because it's been done before}, unexpected twist (Mashiba 'cheated', RBJ 'wins however')

It'd be the exact same, only took longer.

[Unrequited Silence]

If this fight continues to go on any further everyone will lose interest. At least i personally will. IF Randy Gets up...im done

[Segan]

If this fight continues to go on any further everyone will lose interest. At least i personally will. IF Randy Gets up...im doneThat's...good. :P

[Karotte]

I hope Randy gets up!

Miyata as an interesting character is dead for me.

[Dream Brother]

I'm not even an Ippo fan and it has nothing to do with Miyata hate. The sole reason for this complaining is that Ippo has been known for these kinds of durability come-backs since the manga's start while in Miyata's case it has been repeatedly capitalized on that his physique is naturally weak and that while weight control makes him sharper as a fighter, additionally weakens him. Even to the point where he started tripping over PEBBLES.

And the same guy stands now in the ring with busted ribs and takes one hammer blow after the other to the head, UNGARDED and still throws the most fabulous counters when normally there should be blood vessels bursting in his head and he should long have toppled over with inverted eyeballs. Its just not bearable anymore when Morikawa is forcing the victory on someone so much that the difference in physical attributes doesn't even matter anymore, all that only to justify Miyata's purpose as a character. By the same logic you could have put him in the ring with Takamura and he still would've gotten up thanks to 'Gattsu'. Face-fucking-palm.

Gotta agree with this. Miyata should have been taken out of the ring on a stretcher after all the crazy shots he took. The only explanation for this current scenario would be that Randy is as feather-fisted as Kobashi.

[Unrequited Silence]

nah hes still interesting...Hes struggling way more than Ippo is.

[Segan]

Who the hell cares about his struggling. There's not a compelling thing about Miyata at all. As others have put it, his only redeeming feature was the promise of a fight against Ippo in the pro ring.

[Unrequited Silence]

whats so appealing about Ippo thats so much more interesting than Miyata?

[knuman]

Dude, it's not like what I think is going to have an impact on the actual outcome. It's just a view, an analysis based on some observations. Whether the match keeps going on or not isn't something we can control. I'm just saying I don't think it will end yet for those reasons. Whether I think it wil continue and whether I WANT it to are two very different things.

[Segan]

whats so appealing about Ippo thats so much more interesting than Miyata?He's shy on the street, but explosive in the ring. He's a tough motherfucker, got crazy strength. He started out as a miserable bullied middle schooler, but eventually became the Japanese champ. His road to the top is long, and he's in the middle of it. I see him improve bit by bit, and when the results become apparent, I think "fuck yeah, that's it".

He fights all the interesting fighters, like Sendou, Vorg, Date, Sawamura and many more. He interacts with the core crew of the gym. He got Kamogawa as his coach. He sparred with the world champion himself.

And there's the potential outing with Kumi, too.

Yeah, I think, there's far more interesting stuff about Ippo than about Miyata.

[Yak]

whats so appealing about Ippo thats so much more interesting than Miyata?

In the end it IS a matter of tastes, as it is always when it comes to characters but I still enjoy Ippo as a character more because imo he simply has more facettes to his personality (which is natural, him being the main character and all).

I respect Ichiro's struggle, pretty much the only thing that doesn't make him a onehundret percent smooth Sasuke, because he is not only a genius, he also works hard.

That same trait I enjoy in Ippo, he also struggles just as much, only differently. He is a real tough guy, yet he is friendly. He can also be a goof and does not always act overly cool, something I despise about people because I find it fake, because it IS fake. No one is cool and composed all the time. Ippo can be cool and a tough guy when he needs to but other than that he is very human. I like his goals, I like his dreams, I like his internal conflicts about finding the meaning of strength and always struggling with that self-reassurance he has to make whether he is still following his path and doing the right thing, as opposed to Miyata who doesn't really seem to waver in his belief that he IS doing the right thing with his dad's boxing.

I like how Ippo enters as the challenger. And, I especially like the interactions Ippo has with his boxing collegues and friends, with his family, with Kumi and with his Kouhai. Ippo HAS a Kouhai. What does Miyata have other than dad and dad's boxing? Then again, a guy that is so cool that he never smiles isn't bound to make many friends.

I simply don't like Miyata. He is not my type of character, never was. Probably because he is a guy that can be, first and foremost, admired for his genius and skill and what not. He is the typical cool guy you admire. Or, if you are very independent, strong willed and have decent confidence, you just don't give much about these kinds of guys because they don't appeal. Respect for their achievements, yes. Admiration, hardly.

[Karotte]

He's shy on the street, but explosive in the ring. He's a tough motherfucker, got crazy strength. He started out as a miserable bullied middle schooler, but eventually became the Japanese champ. His road to the top is long, and he's in the middle of it. I see him improve bit by bit, and when the results become apparent, I think "fuck yeah, that's it".

He fights all the interesting fighters, like Sendou, Vorg, Date, Sawamura and many more. He interacts with the core crew of the gym. He got Kamogawa as his coach. He sparred with the world champion himself.

And there's the potential outing with Kumi, too.

Yeah, I think, there's far more interesting stuff about Ippo than about Miyata.

QFT!!

Ippo is a much more interesting character than Miyata!

[Unrequited Silence]

Its funny al you guys have valid points..But I could sit here and write an essay saying why Miyata is better..So im glad u say its a matter of taste...Miyata intrigues me solely because, it will be alot harder for him to challenge the world keeping his dads style than it will for Ippo. hes not even on the world stage yet and already hes struggling where as Ippo is adapting just fine, and really hasnt seen an obstacle he hasnt/cant over come yet..

[Yak]

Its funny al you guys have valid points..But I could sit here and write an essay saying why Miyata is better..So im glad u say its a matter of taste...Miyata intrigues me solely because, it will be alot harder for him to challenge the world keeping his dads style than it will for Ippo. hes not even on the world stage yet and already hes struggling where as Ippo is adapting just fine, and really hasnt seen an obstacle he hasnt/cant over come yet..

I'd say that is only half true, Ippo has just as much trouble with his style as Miyata does with his self-inflicted rule. Its the nature of their boxing styles in itself that makes it just as hard for Ippo, because he is an infighter he is prone to get hit a lot more than Miyata is. Sure, Ippo is also the tank to suck that damage up but it isn't a natural gift. It requires just as much hard work. Can't really say that either of them has an advantage over the other here. Perhaps Ippo a slight bit since he started boxing much much later than Miyata and has actually made a far faster progress. But not because he was facing easy opponents. Its simply hard work.

[Locard]

am i the only one who finds Miyata's fighting style boring as hell?

seriously, it sucks, if i ever want to see a cool counterpuncher there's Sawamura

i hope Miyata gets some kind of brain damage after this bullshit match and never steps into the ring again, that way he'll acomplish his goal and we'll get rid of him for good at the same time.

Everyone would be happy :jackal

[Unrequited Silence]

I'd say that is only half true, Ippo has just as much trouble with his style as Miyata does with his self-inflicted rule. Its the nature of their boxing styles in itself that makes it just as hard for Ippo, because he is an infighter he is prone to get hit a lot more than Miyata is. Sure, Ippo is also the tank to suck that damage up but it isn't a natural gift. It requires just as much hard work. Can't really say that either of them has an advantage over the other here. Perhaps Ippo a slight bit since he started boxing much much later than Miyata and has actually made a far faster progress. But not because he was facing easy opponents. Its simply hard work.

I agree but when I look at things like Miyata's weight control to stay in this weight class, as well as being limited to this fathers style, it sucks. The day Miyata ventures out of his fathers style, ill say he has clear advantage over Ippo.

[Agmaster]

Gotta agree with this. Miyata should have been taken out of the ring on a stretcher after all the crazy shots he took. The only explanation for this current scenario would be that Randy is as feather-fisted as Kobashi.

Miyata took Date's head twisting to the next level. You only THINK he's taking damage. Ignore the x ray scenes.

[Gunners]

The thing is Randy isn't feather fisted and Miyata should not have been able to throw a meaningful punch with his cracked ribs.

It's stupid anyway, Randy knows his opponent is a counter puncher yet he followed a pattern and continued aiming for the head. He should have stuck with the body punches and go for internal bleeding.

Miyata jobbed.

[Dream Brother]

Miyata took Date's head twisting to the next level. You only THINK he's taking damage. Ignore the x ray scenes.

Miyata is clearly 'playing a bitch like Nintendo'.

(Whether the 'bitch' is Randy or the reader is the real question here.)

am i the only one who finds Miyata's fighting style boring as hell?

seriously, it sucks, if i ever want to see a cool counterpuncher there's Sawamura

I have to say that his style/personality has grown pretty stale to me. I much prefer Itagaki on the whole, to be honest. Sawamura is also a good one to mention, yeah.

[Hangatýr]

I am so glad I still have Unrequited Silence on ignore.

Also, :pek at all you spoiling bastards.

[Ben Grimm]

Hey guys, do you know why Randy lost. It because he is not a man. He is a BOY.

Overall I do hope Randy gets up and whoops Miata. The guy has to grow past his father's style. He needs to lose

[Agmaster]

Oh man, I would love this series if it just switched to Takamura, Itagaki, Sawamura, Vorg, Sendou, and Mashiba. And I mean full on fuck those other guys switch.

[shinjowy]

Well, as I said a week ago, Mori had already set this up in the previous chapter, so this honestly shouldn't be a surprise. However, this fight really has just been a load of bullshit. I honestly wonder how Miyata generated enough strength to not only punch but also bring RBJ down; but it can't be helped, Mori seems to want to milk the Miyata cow.

Anyway, I just hope RBJ makes a comeback, possibly in a higher weight class.

[Eloking]

Hahahaha!

That was sooooo predictable. :rotfl

And don't mind hoping for Randy's comeback, at best he'll do like Sendou at the end of his 2nd fight again Ippo.

I just hope Morikawa will learn from this and decide to change his way. And we'll see that pretty soon with Takamura's fight in 2-3 chapters.

[saitoe]

Randy Boy gets up, rapes face, Miyata sr throws in the towel.

Miyata can't fight for months-years, when he finally can, he moves up in weightclass. Realizes Mashiba and Vorg are in his weightclass, fights Mashiba and gets wrecked, if not mashiba then Vorg with the same outcome.

Retires as a boxer, lives with his father and dies a very slow, painful aids related death.

i can die happy if that is what mori decides to do with Miyata.

Back to reality, does anyone see Sendo getting a title shot before ippo? because i sure do!

[Zeroshin]

Retires as a boxer, lives with his father and dies a very slow, painful aids related death.


From Ippo perhaps? :iik

[Jotun]

I stopped liking Miyata ever since Itagaki was introduced. I hope he suffers some long term damage from this fight...

[pek]

Fuck this latest chapter. Bullshit and I am getting really tired of the mangaka only being able to throw us 3-4 fighting scenarios and 99% you already know who'll win before the end. Where are the surprises? Where are the twists? Feels like I am reading a very poorly written shounen series. Don't get me wrong, HnI is on my top5-10 but still...

[Jotun]

I can tolerate it with Ippo to an extent. Takamura's fights are weird because he's never lost and it would be pretty devestating if he lost. Aokimura fight's are fucked up and tend to make me wish they'd win. I hope Itagaki loses one more match before going on a winning spree.

[pek]

I expected Miyata to win this from the start, there is no way he would lose this fight as this is one of two fights he jstu couldn't lose, but Morikawa pushed Miyata too far. Way too far.

I actually don't know what I am looking for in HnI because if Ippo or any other important character, except the two idiots, loses, I'll feel a bit shtity about it and if they keep winning against all odds it'll feel a bit boring and way too predictable.

[Gunners]

I actually don't know what I am looking for in HnI because if Ippo or any other important character, except the two idiots, loses, I'll feel a bit shtity about it and if they keep winning against all odds it'll feel a bit boring and way too predictable.

I want the fights to be competitive. Split descion wins. Controversial wins followed by rematches. Closely fought rounds.

Come back fights annoy me because they are now overused and unrealistic. I can understand comebacks where you're only outboxed but when you suffer serious injuries in the fight and the other guy is fresh it is unbelievable.

edit: That's why Sendo vs Ipoo ( I and II), Mashiba vs Sawamaru and Takamura vs Hawk were the best fights of this manga.

[Kagutsuchi]

Where is the raw? :(

[pek]

{lord-audie} http://www.sendspace.com/file/0m0ejh

[Locard]

I actually don't know what I am looking for in HnI because if Ippo or any other important character, except the two idiots, loses, I'll feel a bit shtity about it and if they keep winning against all odds it'll feel a bit boring and way too predictable.
my suggestions:

Some boxers shall start retiring due to brain damage and somebody should die in the ring Rocky IV style (Sendo is my candidate)

Takamura shall lose an important match. i wanna see how'd he deal with that psychologically, and the fact he can never lose is just boring

Miyata should die really make Ippo upset for a reason, so their gayish friendship/rivalry develops into a real feud, so Ippo can really beat the shit outta him when they finally clash :box

I want to see some cheating to give the manga a realistic feel, more boxers using dirty tactics, forbidden hand wrapping etc

A new boxer shall appear, somebody at the level of Ricardo martinez, but Ippo's age and completely in his prime, he also must be a real asshole that totally destroys some of Ippo's friends in the ring and humilliates Ippo in several manners, this guy would turn to be FINAL VILLAIN

hmm that's all for now :jackal

[Unrequited Silence]

It was to be expected he'd win. Just the manner he won sucks

[Segan]

It was to be expected he'd win. Just the manner he won sucksI'm holding a straw of hope. It tells me that Miyata might not win.

[Puar]

What I meant by logic. Was not logic on real boxing, but logic-wise speaking specifically about the plot. Plot wise.. It logically made sense for him to win.

I still disagree. When this fight began, all you could do was basically guesswork. Nothing actually hinted at Miyata REALLY winning this in the beginning. In short, you called on a hunch and over the course of the battle got lucky it was fulfilled.

Eh, I'm with Silence on this. From the very beginning, I never thought for one second that Miyata would win because, logistically, there's no reason for him to lose this match unless Morikawa wants to write Miyata out of the picture (a la Date vs. Martinez) and/or start wrapping up the series as quickly as possible. Despite that, even though I never believed for second that he would lose, I thought the possibility that he could lose was played up pretty well and was a really good sell.

This match is the Miyata fight to end all Miyata fights. It's his entire reason for being, the reason why he boxes. If he lost this match, it would completely and utterly destroy his character. Who knows though... The match isn't over yet, RBJ could still stand, he could still win. It's reminding me of the end of Ippo vs. Sendo II. You could say that this is his Lallapalooza. It even goes so far as to tie back into the whole Timing and Heart bit... Man, I wish people would stop judging chapters and start flames before they're able to actually read it and find out what's going on. (; EDIT: Especially with a character driven piece like this series. You can't just go, "Oh, he punched him and the other guy fell down. That's bullshit!" There's so much more at play there with so much other stuff at work there than what you see on the surface level.

And if you look at RBJ's face and his expression as he goes down, that was a counter from outside his consciousness. Whereas both Sisfa and Arnie had time to make that "Oh, shit!" revelation from the Jolts that Miyata threw, RBJ never knew what hit him and never saw it coming and had his full body weight unknowingly and unwittingly splashed back on him. If he's able to get up, it'd have to be due to a lack of power on Miyata's busted ass ribs part, a la Date vs. Martinez's Heartbreak Shot #2.

[Unrequited Silence]

Eh, I'm with Silence on this. From the very beginning, I never thought for one second that Miyata would win because, logistically, there's no reason for him to lose this match unless Morikawa wants to write Miyata out of the picture (a la Date vs. Martinez) and/or start wrapping up the series as quickly as possible. Despite that, even though I never believed for second that he would lose, I thought the possibility that he could lose was played up pretty well and was a really good sell.

This match is the Miyata fight to end all Miyata fights. It's his entire reason for being, the reason why he boxes. If he lost this match, it would completely and utterly destroy his character. Who knows though... The match isn't over yet, RBJ could still stand, he could still win. It's reminding me of the end of Ippo vs. Sendo II. You could say that this is his Lallapalooza. It even goes so far as to tie back into the whole Timing and Heart bit... Man, I wish people would stop judging chapters and start flames before they're able to read it and find out what's going on. (;

And if you look at RBJ's face and his expression as he goes down, that was a counter from outside his consciousness. Whereas both Sisfa and Arnie had time to make that "Oh, shit!" revelation from the Jolts that Miyata threw, RBJ never knew what hit him and never saw it coming and had his full body weight unknowingly and unwittingly splashed back on him. If he's able to get up, it'd have to be due to a lack of power on Miyata's busted ass ribs part, a la Date vs. Martinez's Heartbreak Shot #2.

Exactly. People don't understand that, if Miyata lost here..All the freaking years this manga has been going on, the total character that was built up would of been tossed out the window. Miyata actually NEEDED to win this fight to solidify his character and move him forward to the world stage. We both know Ippo and Miyata are bound to meet high up on the world stage a la different routes. If Miyata lost this match, he'd be written off. And he'd never have a chance to come after RBJ again. He'd remain just a local Japanese Boxer.

[Yak]

Exactly. People don't understand that, if Miyata lost here..All the freaking years this manga has been going on, the total character that was built up would of been tossed out the window.

Well then, sorry, but in that case Morikawa sucks for making such a fucking two-dimensional character. Even if you took away Ippo's goal of fighting Miyata again, he would still have the Baton Pass from Date left and his crusade for strength in general. If you take away Miyata's only motivation he becomes a shell. Too bad.

[Unrequited Silence]

Well then, sorry, but in that case Morikawa sucks for making such a fucking two-dimensional character. Even if you took away Ippo's goal of fighting Miyata again, he would still have the Baton Pass from Date left and his crusade for strength in general. If you take away Miyata's only motivation he becomes a shell. Too bad.

Two Dimensional.? Just because he has different ideals than Ippo does? I dont get it. U guys are flaming Miyata for his ambitions, but its a matter of taste whose ambitions you think are better or uni-dimensional...It's understandable why he sticks to his fathers style, and its understandable why Ippo wants to know what strength is. Each have there own paths and box according to their ideals. Even if you take away Miyata's fact he idolizes his father, that guy still prob has just as much if not more heart than Ippo.

[Dream Brother]

One thing I agree with Puar on is that we shouldn't judge chapters before the translation. Yes, I'm guilty of constantly doing this -- it is, after all, hard to resist with a fight of this magnitude -- but restraint should come into play until we know everything we can about the situation.

[Yak]

Two Dimensional.? Just because he has different ideals than Ippo does? I dont get it.

Then read my post again until you get it. I wasn't talking about the quality of their goals. I was talking about the quantity. Both is actually very important if you want to create a stable character. The more options you leave yourself open for your character, the more possibilities you have to make him interesting rather than forcing him down one road. Because if you screw up on that one road, you have no back alleys you could take a turn into.

[Unrequited Silence]

But Ippo and both Miyata really have one main Goal..

If Ippo has more than one goal please tell it to me.

[Lord Genome]

Baton pass

His Goal for strength

Fighting Miyata

[Yak]

But Ippo and both Miyata really have one main Goal..

If Ippo has more than one goal please tell it to me.

Ippo wants to know the meaning of strength. That is like, the core of his drive. Additionally to that, there are a bunch of minor goals which are built upon that but also could very well replace it (although it would be kind of redundant to take the quest for the meaning of strength away because its part of Ippo's personality). There is the Baton-Pass promise he gave to Date, so he also strives to take on Martinez on the world stage. He also has the promise with Miyata but Morikawa - as of now - wrote that off, so it isn't a priority anymore.

That's at least three things, one could also argue that Ippo is striving to support and raise his Kouhai, Manabu, although that is really a minor thing compared to the others.


Miyata, up until now, was based upon two things, one being proving his Dad's style in the world, the other being the promise to Makunouchi. Other than that he never had much interaction with other boxers or friends or anything. He also doesn't have a Kouhai himself (maybe he should get one, that would be interesting to see at least :P )

So yeah, since the Ippo-match is void as of now, it leaves him with his Dad's boxing.

Which is soon going to come to a conclusion and no matter how that looks, after that Morikawa really needs to drive Miyata into a new direction or else he will become a stale personality very quickly. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't me who claimed that Miyata losing at this point would ruin his credibilty as a character. That were a bunch of other guys, you included (no offense, its just true that you said it.).

I for my part saw lots of possibilities in Miyata losing now. Sure, it would essentially take down the last cornerstone of his personality but it also would help Morikawa to build him up from scratch again rather than having him run down further that narrow and beaten up lane full of holes his Dad's boxing-goal has become. That is my opinion at least.

[Segan]

Ippo has more to him than his goals. However, for Miyata, he goal is literally all he has. Nothing else.

[Unrequited Silence]

I guess my whole thing is, this late in the series to re-build the main antagonist seems a little like bad writing.

[Yak]

I guess my whole thing is, this late in the series to re-build the main antagonist seems a little like bad writing.

I don't think at all. Its almost never too late to rebuild a character unless you have to go completely out of character. I mean, Naruto for example has had his awesome hero side dormant for 2/3 of the manga and only recently that which he should have been all along surfaced, bit by bit. And it didn't feel all that awkward. Might be a bad example but its the best I could come up with right now.


Sometimes I didn't even feel like Miyata WAS the main-antagonist. Sendou always seemed more like the destined rival for me, but maybe that is also just my opinion.

[Karotte]

I don't think at all. Its almost never too late to rebuild a character unless you have to go completely out of character. I mean, Naruto for example has had his awesome hero side dormant for 2/3 of the manga and only recently that which he should have been all along surfaced, bit by bit. And it didn't feel all that awkward. Might be a bad example but its the best I could come up with right now.


Sometimes I didn't even feel like Miyata WAS the main-antagonist. Sendou always seemed more like the destined rival for me, but maybe that is also just my opinion.

That's also my opinion, Yak.

I've never seen Miyata as the main-antagonist.
IMO Sendou is the one who will compete with Ippo for the World Title. :)

[Puar]

Well then, sorry, but in that case Morikawa sucks for making such a fucking two-dimensional character. Even if you took away Ippo's goal of fighting Miyata again, he would still have the Baton Pass from Date left and his crusade for strength in general. If you take away Miyata's only motivation he becomes a shell. Too bad.

But since Ippo is being argued as a well-rounded character and RBJ is being touted as three-dimensional, let's just say good ol' George breaks even, eh? ;D

[Yak]

Puar, to come back to your offer about including some of my colourings again, I'll send you something once I've build up a good stock of colourings again so you can stretch it over a couple of weeks, if you'd like.

On topic: There's another thing I've been pondering about that concerns the Ippo manga as a whole in its long-term development.

I think the series won't end before Ippo's generation has moved to the world stage and before the youngsters (guys like Manabu and Imai and perhaps those who aren't cut out for the world) have made it to Japanese championship at least.

If this is remotely true, I've wondered, aren't certain weightclasses way too crowded? I wonder if Morikawa will expand on the others a little or have some of the current characters switch weigh class.

After all, there can be only one champion. And well, Ippo's class is full as hell with powerful guys who almost all could make it to the world or become champion. Then again, others don't have so many opponents. Ippo's rivals are Sendou, Miyata, Randy, Manabu, Imai, and a bunch of others.

In Kimura's class there is Vorg, Mashiba and Sawamura (now). That's only three guys. Wonder how Morikawa will shuffle the cast of the series in the future and who goes where, because, in the end they all want to go after the title.

[Segan]

Haven't you done colourings on whole pages before that Sawamura vs. Mashiba bout?

[Yak]

Haven't you done colourings on whole pages before that Sawamura vs. Mashiba bout?

Not so many. Also, Puar already used those ( I didn't bother giving him the bad ones.)

[Countach]

randy better get his ass up

[Unrequited Silence]

Dont count on it

[Karotte]

There's still hope! :(

[Puar]

Puar, to come back to your offer about including some of my colourings again, I'll send you something once I've build up a good stock of colourings again so you can stretch it over a couple of weeks, if you'd like.

Off Topic: Cool... I think for this week we have a Taka New Challenger Screen Cap and then maybe one or two things from the Ippo in Color thread on Dynamite Glove that we can run.

On Topic: I think the only thing that I don't plausibly see us being able to follow through on to the finish before the series ends is Takamura's 6 Weight Class Conquest.

Also, especially since this is Miyata's own version of Lallapalooza, I see Randy at least getting up a la Sendo for a final stare down, granted that was already down with Arnie Gregory.

[shinjowy]

Though I do see Silence and Puar's points about this being Miyata's ultimate fight, I am definitely with Yak and the others in saying that it would probably be more beneficial for Miyata to lose this fight and have a bit of a rebuild of his character and style. I've always been a fan of Miyata not proving his dad's boxing, but instead completely improving and revamping it to become "Ichirou's style", and not just "Dad's style"; and so, what I'm actually afraid of is that Mori would no longer develop Miyata as a character as he had already attained his penultimate goal by proving his father's boxing, thereby relegating Miyata to the sidelines for the remainder of the manga until he fights Ippo (which I'm pretty sure many of you wouldn't mind anyway, but I do like to see character development).

[Unrequited Silence]

But heres the problem. This type of development could still happen.. Im not even a mangaka, but such plots as, Miyata and his dad realizing that he BARELY won this fight, and that to truly challenge the world stage this style is going to need to incorporate other elements. Uppercuts, even mixing in a bit of in fighting...

[saitoe]

Hmm... The ref sent Miyata to the corner meaning a count is in order. Worst case scenario he busts out a sendo at the end of the 2nd ippo match and shows he is a character worthy of our respect.

They did mention earlier that RBJ has amazing toughness, perhaps that was leading up to this final blow? he may stand up and miyata sr would have to throw in the towel if he does.

Btw, does anyone know how long it takes to recover from shattered ribs?

[Eloking]

Am I the only one who though this fight would have be better if it ended in a different way than a basic KO or a decision? Personnally, I think it could have been a great if it ended as a draw or, even better, as an introduction for a NC (No contest) which Morikawa didn't used yet.

Anyway, I agree with Puar for the end of this fight in the next chapter.