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08-10-2009, 10:33 PM
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BEIJING — Shanghai and Beijing are becoming new lands of opportunity for recent American college graduates who face unemployment nearing double digits at home.

Even those with limited or no knowledge of Chinese are heeding the call. They are lured by China’s surging economy, the lower cost of living and a chance to bypass some of the dues-paying that is common to first jobs in the United States.

“I’ve seen a surge of young people coming to work in China over the last few years,” said Jack Perkowski, founder of Asimco Technologies, one of the largest automotive parts companies in China.

“When I came over to China in 1994, that was the first wave of Americans coming to China,” he said. “These young people are part of this big second wave.”

One of those in the latest wave is Joshua Arjuna Stephens, who graduated from Wesleyan University in 2007 with a bachelor’s degree in American studies. Two years ago, he decided to take a temporary summer position in Shanghai with China Prep, an educational travel company.

“I didn’t know anything about China,” said Mr. Stephens, who worked on market research and program development. “People thought I was nuts to go not speaking the language, but I wanted to do something off the beaten track.”

Two years later, after stints in the nonprofit sector and at a large public relations firm in Beijing, he is highly proficient in Mandarin and works as a manager for XPD Media, a social media company based in Beijing that makes online games.

Jonathan Woetzel, a partner with McKinsey & Company in Shanghai who has lived in China since the mid-1980s, says that compared with just a few years ago, he was seeing more young Americans arriving in China to be part of an entrepreneurial boom. “There’s a lot of experimentation going on in China right now, particularly in the energy sphere, and when people are young they are willing to come and try something new,” he said.

And the Chinese economy is more hospitable for both entrepreneurs and job seekers, with a gross domestic product that rose 7.9 percent in the most recent quarter compared with the period a year earlier. Unemployment in urban areas is 4.3 percent, according to government data.

Grace Hsieh, president of the Yale Club in Beijing and a 2007 graduate, says she has seen a rise in the number of Yale graduates who have come to work in Beijing since she arrived in China two years ago. She is working as an account executive in Beijing for Hill & Knowlton, the public relations company.

Sarabeth Berman, a 2006 graduate of Barnard College with a major in urban studies, initially arrived in Beijing at the age of 23 to take a job that would have been difficult for a person her age to land in the United States: program director at BeijingDance/LDTX, the first modern dance company in China to be founded independently of the government.

Ms. Berman said she was hired for her familiarity with Western modern dance rather than a knowledge of China. “Despite my lack of language skills and the fact that I had no experience working in China, I was given the opportunity to manage the touring, international projects, and produce and program our annual Beijing Dance Festival.”

After two years of living and working in China, Ms. Berman is proficient in Mandarin. She travels throughout China, Europe and the United States with the dance company.

Willy Tsao, the artistic director of BeijingDance/LDTX, said he had hired Ms. Berman because of her ability to make connections beyond China. “I needed someone who was capable of communicating with the Western world.”

Another dynamic in the hiring process, Mr. Tsao says, is that Westerners can often bring skills that are harder to find among the Chinese.

“Sarabeth is always taking initiative and thinking what we can do,” he said, “while I think the more standard Chinese approach is to take orders.” He says the difference is rooted in the educational system. “In Chinese schools students are encouraged to be quiet and less outspoken; it fosters a culture of listening more than initiating.”

Mr. Perkowski, who spent almost 20 years on Wall Street before heading to China, says many Chinese companies are looking to hire native English speakers to help them navigate the American market.

“I’m working with a company right now that wants me to help them find young American professionals who can be their liaisons to the U.S.,” he said. “They want people who understand the social and cultural nuances of the West.”

Mr. Perkowski’s latest venture, JFP Holdings, a merchant bank based in Beijing, has not posted any job openings, but has received more than 60 résumés; a third are from young people in the United States who want to come work in China, he said.

Mick Zomnir, 20, a soon-to-be junior at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is working as a summer intern for JFP. “As things have gotten more difficult in the U.S., I started to think about opportunities elsewhere,” he said. He does not speak Chinese but says he will begin studying Mandarin when he returns to M.I.T. in the fall.

A big draw of working in China, many young people say, is that they feel it allows them to skip a rung or two on the career ladder.

Ms. Berman said: “There is no doubt that China is an awesome place to jump-start your career. Back in the U.S., I would be intern No. 3 at some company or selling tickets at Lincoln Center.”

For others, like Jason Misium, 23, China has solved the cash flow problem of starting a business. After graduating with a degree in biology from Harvard in 2008, Mr. Misium came to China to study the language. Then he started Sophos Academic Group, an academic consulting firm that works with Chinese students who want to study in the United States.

“It’s China’s fault that I’m still here,” he said. “It’s just so cheap to start a business.” It cost him the equivalent of $12,000, which he had in savings, he said.

Among many young Americans, the China exit strategy is a common topic of conversation. Mr. Stephens, Ms. Berman and Mr. Misium all said they were planning to return to the United States eventually.

Mr. Woetzel of McKinsey said work experience in China was not an automatic ticket to a great job back home. He said it was not a marker in the same way an Ivy League education: “The mere fact of just showing up and working in China and speaking Chinese is not enough.”

That said, Mr. Woetzel added, someone who has been able to make a mark in China is a valuable hire.

“At McKinsey, we are looking for people who have demonstrated leadership,” he said, “and working in a context like China builds character, requires you to be a lot more entrepreneurial and forces you to innovate.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/11/business/economy/11expats.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&partner=rss&emc=rss


A fascinating article. It's amazing the reverse in American society: 80 years ago viewed as a place to go for economic opportunity and entrepreneurial freedom without the rigid European social strata.

Now a reversal, where China has taken the "most hospitable" honor for entrepreneurs and fortune-seeking young people. Free-market capitalism is being practiced in its purity not in the US, but in China. Amazing.

The Comedian
08-10-2009, 10:36 PM
Cool. IDK how I feel about up and moving to China though. I mean.. it's China.

horsdhaleine
08-10-2009, 10:53 PM
Cool.

I'm gonna start learning Chinese. :nod

The Space Cowboy
08-10-2009, 11:05 PM
Capitalism works best in a frontier society? Whether those frontiers are geographic or economic.

Jarl lKarl
08-10-2009, 11:09 PM
Firefly, anyone?

Mael
08-11-2009, 12:20 AM
Enjoy your significantly unhealthier body and lungs entrepreneurs.

Cirus
08-11-2009, 01:30 AM
Enjoy your significantly unhealthier body and lungs entrepreneurs.
I already smoke so it wont be much of a change.

Yeah I am one of those Americans that is looking at going overseas to Asia to do something. Here in America the criteria to even get a good job is astronomical these days.

narutosimpson
08-11-2009, 02:42 AM
haha, wait until u get accused of espionage and promptly executed .

anyway, this is probably mostly applies to white people. outside of US, most people think all americans are white :laugh

Psycho
08-11-2009, 02:53 AM
if all else fails here in Brazil, i'm moving to Russia to work with aeronautics

Tokyo Jihen
08-11-2009, 03:52 AM
haha, wait until u get accused of espionage and promptly executed .

anyway, this is probably mostly applies to white people. outside of US, most people think all americans are white :laugh

Actually, most people think all whites are Americans, all Persians are Arabs, and all blacks are Tupac wannabe. :del

Mider T
08-11-2009, 03:54 AM
I should look into that. I love living in different places. Though I'd choose Hong Kong first.

Cirus
08-11-2009, 04:00 AM
I should look into that. I love living in different places. Though I'd choose Hong Kong first.
Why would you choose Hong Kong first over other areas in asia?

Psycho
08-11-2009, 04:02 AM
Why would you choose Hong Kong first over other areas in asia?

probably 'cause of the western influence in the area until the 60's that caused it to be more welcoming for foreigners of western origin

Mider T
08-11-2009, 04:06 AM
and plenty of other reasons including the free economic zone and large development.

Cirus
08-11-2009, 04:10 AM
and plenty of other reasons including the free economic zone and large development.
Cool. I was curious as to your reasons. That seems like an area I am going to have to look into as well.

Zhiyao
08-11-2009, 05:33 AM
HAHA, IN UR FACE AMERICAN SOCIALISM!!!

I think its time for me to move back to the real frontier, aka TIBET lol

Razgriez
08-11-2009, 05:37 AM
Actually, most people think all whites are Americans, all Persians are Arabs, and all blacks are Tupac wannabe. :del

They think all black people are American as well unless they are from Africa... and yes they all think they are rappers too.

KFC
08-11-2009, 05:44 AM
Oh, don't forget that all people from South America are from Mexico...there aren't any other South american countries, apparently...

Razgriez
08-11-2009, 05:47 AM
Oh, don't forget that all people from South America are from Mexico...there aren't any other South american countries, apparently...

If you speak spanish your hispanic and from Mexico as well. Never mind the fact that the language and it's people originated from Europe.

narutosimpson
08-11-2009, 05:48 AM
Oh, don't forget that all people from South America are from Mexico...there aren't any other South american countries, apparently...

if you happen to be mix of anything then their heads explode! haha, it's so funny.

ScaryRei
08-11-2009, 05:49 AM
I read this article - pretty interesting. I do agree that it seems so much more difficult to move up the corporate ladder in the USA these days. The economy has made companies leery of hiring less experience workers, especially when all the older people still want to hang onto their jobs after seeing their 401(k) retirement funds wiped out in the market.

CrazyMoronX
08-11-2009, 01:39 PM
No way in hell I'd move to China.

Toby
08-11-2009, 01:47 PM
This has little to do with the financial crisis and everything to do with China's large economy and booming financial industry. I've got a cousin studying there and there are two generations of students before him who own the business he's an intern at.

It is definitely the place to go if you want a job in trade with the Chinese, or are thinking of working in a large Chinese investment-firm/banking-organisation. It's harder for other students to find work there though.

dummy plug
08-11-2009, 09:45 PM
then the rise of Chinese Language Classes will follow :kaga

Le Male
08-11-2009, 10:11 PM
Oh so now the americans looking for work abroad like the rest of the world.

makeoutparadise
08-11-2009, 10:16 PM
And my dad said Chinese was a useless language :/ exscuse me as I sing


If I were a translator i'd bitty bitty bitty bitty bum...

dummy plug
08-11-2009, 10:17 PM
Oh so now the americans looking for work abroad like the rest of the world.

come to think of it :amuse

Vom Osten
08-11-2009, 10:29 PM
And my dad said Chinese was a useless language :/ exscuse me as I sing


If I were a translator i'd bitty bitty bitty bitty bum...

English is the international language, Mandarin is only widespoken because of one billion Chinese

Karin Maaka
08-11-2009, 10:40 PM
And my dad said Chinese was a useless language :/ exscuse me as I sing


If I were a translator i'd bitty bitty bitty bitty bum...

Your dad must have been smoking some good shit.

Chinese is on par with Spanish and English these days as THE language to learn.

So if you've got Spanish and English down, it would behoove you to learn Chinese next if you're looking into a business occupation.

Tokyo Jihen
08-11-2009, 11:09 PM
Regardless if you master Spanish, English or Mandarin, you go to China, you gets no pr0n. :pek

Shinobi Mugen
08-11-2009, 11:41 PM
Who needs pr0n when you've got trustworthy prostitutes...

Mider T
08-12-2009, 01:12 AM
Oh so now the americans looking for work abroad like the rest of the world.

We always have, just never on a (continued) mass scale.

Raiden
08-12-2009, 01:25 AM
I don't fault them at all; it must be painful to work hard all those years in college and then have to sit at home with no job. Why be confined to the States when it's economy is struggling and won't be on a major rebound for years?

makeoutparadise
08-12-2009, 01:32 AM
Who needs pr0n when you've got trustworthy prostitutes...

here here we need to employ the Chinese diverse workforce