Miracles

[Battoumaru]

Do you beleive in miracles?

[ben]

Not really, but i do believe in the statistical inevitability of the extremely improbable.

[gripton]

I do. Does that mean I win?

[Battoumaru]

I actually experiened a weird one today after accientally lockng myself out of my house.

[ben]

I actually experiened a weird one today after accientally lockng myself out of my house.

oh, how mysterious.

i think that you should tell the story so we can decide if it's a miracle or just an improbability.

[Danny Lilithborne]

The better question isn't whether or not you believe in miracles, but what would you do on the chance you experience one?

Many organized religions use physical miracles as their proof, failing to realize that miracles only constitute proof for those who are present when the miracle occurs, and even then it may not be sufficient ("This is naught but manifest sorcery!" et. al.). The true miracles are the ascendancy and influence of religions such as Christianity and Islam into modern society, which is statistically at the very least extremely improbable.

[BrianTheGoldfish]

Depends on what your definition of a miracle is.

If you're talking about the "this can only possibly have happened by way of magic powers!" variety, then no. If you're talking about the "really unlikely things happening pretty dang conveniently" variety, then sure, totally.

[ben]

Depends on what your definition of a miracle is.

If you're talking about the "this can only possibly have happened by way of magic powers!" variety, then no. If you're talking about the "really unlikely things happening pretty dang conveniently" variety, then sure, totally.

or if there's really a difference.

it's like the black swan.

until european's went to australia they were convinced all swans were white.

all swans were white. it was scientific fact (because scientific knowledge is limited to the human mind's ability to perceive.)

then, when they got to austrailia, black swans.

it's important to accept, as a human, that your ability to understand the world is finite. miracles are those things which defy our perceptions or defy the law of averages to the extent that they seem impossible.

my opinion, at least.

[Gecka]

Unlikely events occur. Call them whatever you wish.

[Saufsoldat]

I love it how people call every small improbability a miracle and attribute it to some god. yes, god's too busy helping the sick and the starving but when some american middle-class guy lost his wallet this morning and found it on the way back home, that's totally a miracle.

[mashie]

there can be miracles when you believe.

you fuckers need to listen to mariah carey more.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Yes.

Sometimes a miracle could just be a set of coincidences that when put together cause a great effect. I don't really believe in luck because luck kind insinuates some sort of supernatural force too.

[Saufsoldat]

Yes.

Sometimes a miracle could just be a set of coincidences that when put together cause a great effect. I don't really believe in luck because luck kind insinuates some sort of supernatural force too.

No, luck doesn't. It simply means having an outcome that one has no influence on being beneficial. I fail to see how this insinuates anything supernatural.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

No, luck doesn't. It simply means having an outcome that one has no influence on being beneficial. I fail to see how this insinuates anything supernatural.

The idea that someone can have a better chance at good things by chance to me feels like there would have to be some outside force that you're getting help from.

If you said chance was chance...then that's one thing.

But to say "they have good luck" or "that's good luck" you make chance into something else supernatural.

[Saufsoldat]

The idea that someone can have a better chance at good things by chance to me feels like there would have to be some outside force that you're getting help from.

If you said chance was chance...then that's one thing.

But to say "they have good luck" or "that's good luck" you make chance into something else supernatural.

It's only probable that there are people who gain an advantage from random situations more often than others. I'd call these people lucky.

[Sesshomaru]

Everything you see around you, your lives, your very existence is a miracle. The proofs have been already provided. :nod

[mashie]

Everything you see around you, your lives, your very existence is a miracle. The proofs have been already provided. :nod

are miracles allowed to be this crappy?

[Kokain]

^It seems so unlikely, doesn't it? ...It's a miracle!

[Saufsoldat]

Everything you see around you, your lives, your very existence is a miracle. The proofs have been already provided. :nod

How exactly is the universe taking its course a miracle?

[Sesshomaru]

How exactly is the universe taking its course a miracle?

I didn't mention anything about "a set of defined rules" the Universe follows. Its coming into existence, your coming into existence are all miracles.

[mashie]

the word miracle is used with a spiritual or religious undertone, as if a divine being had committed the act. when you say our very existence is a miracle you're presupposing that god created us. since that's unfalsifiable, stop it.


^It seems so unlikely, doesn't it? ...It's a miracle!the chance of a miracle being a miracle is very unlikely -- this is much like being in a room where the opposite walls are two giant mirrors! reflection never ends!

[Saufsoldat]

I didn't mention anything about "a set of defined rules" the Universe follows.

Neither did I.

Its coming into existence, your coming into existence are all miracles.

No. The universe never came into existence and I am a result of sexual intercourse between my parents. Nothing of a miracle as far as I can tell.

[Trias]

Universe DID came to existence apparently, it's just a matter of how it did. Scientifically we just have so much to learn, so it's perfectly plausible to think Science can even explain the very nature of existence and the state of the universe before Big Bang, or even if there's a god or not, eventually. Provided universe lasts till science get to that point. Hmm, actually, Asimov's the Last Question is a very interesting short story about that.

In any case, I do believe in miracles, but miracles are not necessarily enchancements bestowed by a greater power, being deaf and still becomng a percussion virtuoso is a miracle, a miracle created by that person herself.

[Sesshomaru]

I am a result of sexual intercourse between my parents. Nothing of a miracle as far as I can tell.

But what drives the function of the reproductive organs?

[Saufsoldat]

Universe DID came to existence apparently, it's just a matter of how it did.

Evidence?

But what drives the function of the reproductive organs?

Sugar being burned inside the cells generating energy.

[Danny Lilithborne]

But what drives the function of the reproductive organs?
Teh horny is God's miracle! :zaru

[whamslam3]

hey it could happen:nod

[parker pyne]

I think White has a better case of arguing that the origins of our existence is a miracle, rather than our physiological abilities.

[Kira U. Masaki]

yes on the first count - unlikely but convenient
maybe on the second - the magical one

some things are tricky though - there are something that some might call a miracle and some might call the unlikely but convenient - ie a faith healer curing someones cancer

[Tokyo Jihen]

How the first person ever thought that tea leaves can be used to be made into a drink...it's a miracle!

[Bonten]

My mother said I'm a miracle.

And I believe in myself.

[Saufsoldat]

I think White has a better case of arguing that the origins of our existence is a miracle, rather than our physiological abilities.

It doesn't explain jack shit and is therefore not an answer to the origin of the universe.

My mother said I'm a miracle.

And I believe in myself.

She lied to you. Parents do that to make their kids feel special.

[Bonten]

ahahahahaha

[Tokoyami]

Nope.

I think some damn well improbable things can happen but I do not think they are miraculous.

But what drives the function of the reproductive organs?*purrs*

Well now I think a demonstration is in order here.

[Pilaf]

Do you beleive in miracles?

Absolutely not. Everything that anyone ever calls a miracle can be explained in completely rational terms, and if it can't currently be, even that doesn't mean it's supernatural. It simply means our current scientific understanding hasn't reached the level to explain it.

[Danny Lilithborne]

Absolutely not. Everything that anyone ever calls a miracle can be explained in completely rational terms...
Bush getting elected. Twice.

[Saufsoldat]

Bush getting elected. Twice.

Americans are retards and sheep :zaru

[Adonis]

It simply means our current scientific understanding hasn't reached the level to explain it.

It's not even necessary to go that far. Often, the designation of "miracle" relies on there being a plethora of unknown variables in a situation.

[Saint Jimmy]

Miracles exist only if you believe in them. It's your interpertation on events that will make it a miracle. For 2 different people the same accured event can be interpreted differently, one can see the event as a miracle, the other just as an event. It's all a mather of believing.

[DeterminedIdiot]

hmm.....dont know. peopel call it luck and some people call it miracles. dont know