Iwata says wii is in an "Unheathly" condition

[Canute87]

I came across this not too long ago.

http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/04/09/nintendo-wii-struggles-to-unhealthy-condition-in-japan/

To this i want to add.

What the hell did nintendo expect to happen? What was going through the minds of those execs to deliberately make the console that much weaker compared to the 360 and ps3. Remakes disguised as new play control, shitty games, and pretty much strict focus on the casual market.

Did they seriously not expect to see the wii sales drop? Iwata said it himself and software sells consoles.

[Horrid Crow]

It's doing bad in JAPAN (though still pretty good, just not as good as PS3 right now).

It's not going too well with the Yen and the Japanese market, plus the Wii hasn't any good games coming out right now. Give it a while. Remember a few months back when the PSP was kicking the DS's ass in Japan for 1 or 2 months? What's left of that?

[Canute87]

It's doing bad in JAPAN (though still pretty good, just not as good as PS3 right now).

It's not going too well with the Yen and the Japanese market, plus the Wii hasn't any good games coming out right now. Give it a while. Remember a few months back when the PSP was kicking the DS's ass in Japan for 1 or 2 months? What's left of that?

If that's the case then, isn't the wii now the "psp" of the two. Because the wii was kicking the Ps3's ass at the beginning.

[Horrid Crow]

You could say that. :zaru

[Deaf Ninja Reaper]

Of course...

Wii is too gimmicky to be successful console for long team. Through if I enjoy Wii Sport with mates!

Shame cos I think it can be pretty successful but they need to get working on a big games like XBox 360 did on Halo, Gear Of War series rather then mini-collection games..

[bbq sauce]

I find myself asking why I bought my Wii pretty often. Shit has got NO GAMES.

Get me a motherfuckin Zelda.

[ShadowReij]

Bound to happen, now lets see if they can save themselves, or maybe it's gotten to the point that they could careless, heck they have the money to revamp the console's power can't see why they just don't do so.

[Donkey Show]

Oh noes, Nintendo am doomed nao... :zaru

[CrazyMoronX]

Yeah, Nintendo will never recover. :LOS

I think they should stick to stricly handhelds and becoming a 3rd party game developer. :LOS I know I sure as hell wouldn't buy another one of their consoles.

[ShadowReij]

It's not like Nintendo is a large mutli-million dollar gaming company, they are doomed. :LOS

[Ssj3_Goku]

First you're title is so mis leading.



there are over 8 million Wii's in Japan atm and a Little over 3 million Ps3's. So Nintendo has nothing to worry about in that sense. However, they did not have any big software titles in japan for a while now but since MH3 and a few other big titles are coming out this year I doubt we will see it only selling 15 to 25 k for long.

Plus with the DS sales over 25 million in Japan no system will be able to catch up to that.


Wii total install base world wide is over 50 million (reached that number faster than what PS2 did). Now if PS3 starts outselling the Wii in the states and Europe than Nintendo is in trouble.

[Goofy Titan]

Nintendo doesn't even have to have games on their consoles anymore for the systems to sell.

Especially considering the sales of the Wii as is :hurr

Maybe one day, people will catch on.

[Pringer Lagann]

I think they should stick to stricly handhelds and becoming a 3rd party game developer. :LOS I know I sure as hell wouldn't buy another one of their consoles.

You and I think along the same lines :LOS

[Adonis]

Wii's failure was obvious the second I heard its "killer apps" were 2 Gamecube games repackaged (Twilight Princess + RE4), a Mario game whose biggest flaw was, ironically enough, the control scheme it was being marketed on (Super Mario Galaxy), and another Super Smash Bros which people prefer to play using the Gamecube controller.

[ctizz36]

First you're title is so mis leading.



there are over 8 million Wii's in Japan atm and a Little over 3 million Ps3's. So Nintendo has nothing to worry about in that sense. However, they did not have any big software titles in japan for a while now but since MH3 and a few other big titles are coming out this year I doubt we will see it only selling 15 to 25 k for long.

Plus with the DS sales over 25 million in Japan no system will be able to catch up to that.


Wii total install base world wide is over 50 million (reached that number faster than what PS2 did). Now if PS3 starts outselling the Wii in the states and Europe than Nintendo is in trouble.

I agree with you on that :nod

[Tachikoma]

Nintendo just went back to their roots and become a toy company. It's physically impossible for me to despise their hardware and software focus decisions more then I currently do.

EDIT.

HOW LONG WILL WE KEEP QUOTING SALES FIGURES??? REALLY??? REALLY ????? ?? ?? ?! one !! ???

WOW MY PETZ GAME SURE DOES PLAY MUCH BETTER BECAUSE IT HAS SOLDEN SO MUCH!

Fucking hell give sales numbers a rest, it does not make you enjoy a game more/less.

Yeah, Nintendo will never recover. :LOS

I think they should stick to stricly handhelds and becoming a 3rd party game developer. :LOS I know I sure as hell wouldn't buy another one of their consoles.
Thirded.

[Oxvial]

Well but aren't they the only one actually making a profit with his console? doomed?.. they just need to make a new Zelda ,Metroid or Mario game and the Wii gonna sell again .

[Ssj3_Goku]

Nintendo just went back to their roots and become a toy company. It's physically impossible for me to despise their hardware and software focus decisions more then I currently do.

EDIT.

HOW LONG WILL WE KEEP QUOTING SALES FIGURES??? REALLY??? REALLY ????? ?? ?? ?! one !! ???

WOW MY PETZ GAME SURE DOES PLAY MUCH BETTER BECAUSE IT HAS SOLDEN SO MUCH!

Fucking hell give sales numbers a rest, it does not make you enjoy a game more/less.




The people arguing saying its "doomed" are people who are not informed of the sale figures. Now game quality is a different topic but to say the system is doomed when in reality its not. The people who neglect the sale figure fact are the people who are in denial.

Plus no one is saying this game is better than that game because of the sale figures. Please re read the post.

[mystictrunks]

Nintendo just went back to their roots and become a toy company..

All video games and consoles are toys.



Nintendo's doing fine they just want to make some money, it's not like they haven't given "hardcore" gamers the same stables of games they get every gen from Nintendo anyway. I don't see why people are upset so upset over the Wii.

[Sephiroth]

The controller....

[Stumpy]

All video games and consoles are toys.
BioShock is not a toy.

[Fawful]

All video games and consoles are toys.



Nintendo's doing fine they just want to make some money, it's not like they haven't given "hardcore" gamers the same stables of games they get every gen from Nintendo anyway. I don't see why people are upset so upset over the Wii.

People are mad about wii because they have to wait 3-4 months before they can get a good, quality game and one that is not a half assed, quick way to get money.

[Oxvial]

BioShock is not a toy.

Isn't weird to see some kids around 10-12 playing Bioshock so actually it's a toy.

[Tachikoma]

The people arguing saying its "doomed" are people who are not informed of the sale figures.
"IWATA SAYS"

All video games and consoles are toys.

No they are not, not all companies are nintendo.

[mystictrunks]

No they are not, not all companies are nintendo.

Yes they are. You buy them to play games. They're just hi-tech toys, some just have some extra bells and whistles thrown on.

[Linkdarkside]

All video games and consoles are toys.



no they are not they are the computers.

[Tachikoma]

Yes they are. You buy them to play games. They're just hi-tech toys, some just have some extra bells and whistles thrown on.

no they are not they are computers.
. .

[Adonis]

People who claim video games are "computers" as opposed to toys, despite their not having the same versatility or primary function, are the same as comic book fans who hide behind euphemisms like "graphic novel."

Rather than trying to turn kid shit into adult shit, why not just admit to being an adult who happens to like toys and comics?

[mystictrunks]

no they are not they are the computers.

"Computers is for putin, Playstations is for playin"
-http://www.hiphoplead.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/camron.jpg

[mislead]

All video games and consoles are toys.

People who claim video games are "computers" as opposed to toys, despite their not having the same versatility or primary function, are the same as comic book fans who hide behind euphemisms like "graphic novel."

Rather than trying to turn kid shit into adult shit, why not just admit to being an adult who happens to like toys and comics?

They're contraptions that allow you to play games; in essence, the same as a chessboard, or a deck of cards. I don't think it makes any sense to call them "toys", target audience aside.

BioShock is not a toy.

Is that supposed to be an example of artistic depth in a videogame?

[Canute87]

I guess Playsation and 360 would be considered multimedia entertainment. a game is a game no matter how it looks.

[Sephiroth]

Meh, Chess is a toy too. :LOS

Sports are also a children's game that grown men play.

[Gaawa-chan]

If they focused more on making good old games available coupled with more innovative uses for the Wii controller, they wouldn't be running into this sort of problem- Hell, they could even make more Wii games that are compatible with the Gamecube controllers if people don't like using the Wii controllers...

Meh... but I really don't see what the big fuss is about...

[Horrid Crow]

I don't quite understand why people don't like their Wii and blame Nintendo. :hurr
You knew what the fuck you were buying before you went out and bought a Wii, didn't you? It was well known that Nintendo was going for the casual audience. They HAD to, because else it would've been their downfall.

Still if you look at price / quality and number of games ratio, I don't see much difference between a PS3 or a Wii.
Best choice is still 360 imo (don't start about the shitty hardware). Wii is a secondary console for hardcore-gamers, and I don't see a problem with that. Or are you all unemployed, starving for your parents to give you some money to buy a console and games?

Now Nintendo... next gen give us a console that is technically up to date again. And please include motion controls because unlike most people I really enjoy games where the motion controls are worked out well. Oh and make MotionPlus a standard while you're at it.

EDIT: Don't know who said it but lol... Mario Galaxy's controls where spot on and worked like a charm. Kthnx.

[Hentai]

What did they expect?
I knew all along that Bullshit like Wii Music wont help selling that thing.

[Amanomurakumo]

It's a wonder. I made a thread a while back asking people how many games would make a system worthwhile to them throughout it's life and quite alot of the answers were between 1-5. I know the Wii has at least that many games for the system that are hits so at this point it's really the people that complain because they want to buy a game every month or some shit.

And yes, video games are toys, though they walk a thin line because they mix in with movies and books as entertainment.

[Tachikoma]

lol @ Video Games being toys, guess I know who I can't take seriously anymore.

[mystictrunks]

Toy: plaything: an artifact designed to be played with

I wonder what you do with video games. . .

[Canute87]

Toy: plaything: an artifact designed to be played with

I wonder what you do with video games. . .


Well some years back when the playstation two was released some people said all it needed was a sex hole.

So chances are when sony makes their next console they'll make the disk slot big enough to hold certain things fulfilling some gamers dream.

and that is to fuck the playstation.

[NeoDMC]

The only thing Nintendo has a chance of losing is the Core Gamers, which ironically the people who would complain over something like this on a forum. The hardcore gamer, the hobby gamer, the lifestyle gamer, Nintendo doesn't really care about you right now.

The reason is because most of you abandoned Nintendo during the N64 era, which was around the time that most of you began growing up and wanting more mature games. Nintendo couldn't keep up, and thus people migrated from Super Nintendo land, to SonyWorld, PCNation, and XboxIsland.

Nintendo has spent the last decade trying to "grow-up" their image, only to watch their sales drop steadily behind the competition. Of course gamers come back for the 1st party games. Hell I own a Gamecube and you want to know the games I have for it?

LOZ: Wind Waker
LOZ: Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2
SSBM
and Eternal Darkness

This compared to the 40+ PS2 games I own. The probably 100+ that I rented.

And here is the funny part, most people didn't even get the Gamecube for the 1st party stuff. They just stuck to the PS2 or Xbox.

It was probably decided in some meeting during the development of the "Nintendo Revolution" (Wii) that Core Gamers had abandoned the consoles made by Nintendo. This wasn't really far flung, as the N64 and Gamecube lost both Last Generation console wars.

So they decided to go to the demographic mostly abandoned by Consoles and that was still pulling in embarrassing amounts of cash on the PC. Casual Gaming. You know all those tetris,breakout, and pong rip offs. Those jewel puzzle games and those repetitive task repeaters. Those point and click RPG's shit like that.

They created a console that was wanted by the people who had given up on gaming as it became more complex. Not only that but they turned it into a Family commodity. A Wii for your kids is a symbol that you love them. Playing a Wii doesn't make you a "gamer" per say, it just makes you a person who likes to have fun.

This console is not for single-young-adult-gamers. The only time I have fun on the Wii is with a group of friends, drinking and making fun of the person losing. It is not a system that can be enjoyed...alone really.

The thing is, everyone started as a Casual Gamer. Basically Nintendo is catering to a new group of Gamers. Will they be satisfied with a console like the Wii forever? Or will they evolve into Core Gamers like we did?


Basically the string of events is:
Nintendo meets Casual Gamers
Casual Gamers fall in Love with Nintendo
Casual Gamers grow up
Nintendo tries to grow up
Casual Gamers become Core Gamers, Leave Nintendo
Nintendo finds new Casual Gamers
Casual Gamers fall in Love with Nintendo

[Pringer Lagann]

Toy: plaything: an artifact designed to be played with

I wonder what you do with video games. . .

It just has bigger price tag :zaru

[Adonis]

Meh, Chess is a toy too. :LOS

Sports are also a children's game that grown men play.

Hey, as long as we can establish that people of all ages play with toys, I don't see the reason to be ashamed of the label.

lol @ Video Games being toys, guess I know who I can't take seriously anymore.

As opposed to the people calling them "computers" despite their only having like a fourth of the functionality? Those people are totally legit. :zaru

Having an internet browser doesn't make a device a computer.

If they focused more on making good old games available coupled with more innovative uses for the Wii controller, they wouldn't be running into this sort of problem- Hell, they could even make more Wii games that are compatible with the Gamecube controllers if people don't like using the Wii controllers...

Meh... but I really don't see what the big fuss is about...

The "Wii-mote" is the crux of the supposed "innovation." If people just end up using the gamecube controller, Wii just becomes Gamecube 2 with more shovelware.

Simply put, motion-sensing wasn't the revolution Nintendo hoped it would be, which is no surprise since the technology's been used for the past few decades, and all it resulted in was a shift from button-mashing to controller wagging.

EDIT: Don't know who said it but lol... Mario Galaxy's controls where spot on and worked like a charm. Kthnx.

That'd be me and my rebuttal: Oooh, a singular example to the contrary. I just got pwned.

[Donkey Show]

This thread is full of insecure gamers. :hurr

[Sephiroth]

Good post Neo, my little brother does love the wii, I think his taste will mature and he will move onto a more core system away from nintendo, while someone's taste that never matures can stick with stuff only like the Wii and DS forever.

If only DS and Wii made more actually games for gamers....

[Tachikoma]

Basically the string of events is:
Nintendo meets Casual Gamers
Casual Gamers fall in Love with Nintendo
Casual Gamers grow up
Nintendo tries to grow up
Casual Gamers become Core Gamers, Leave Nintendo
Nintendo finds new Casual Gamers
Casual Gamers fall in Love with Nintendo
Slightly flawed reasoning, the Nintendo I grew up with made pretty much mostly games for gamers, NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube - pretty much a haven for great games.

[ctizz36]

^ I agree with that statement of how Nintendo became so popular then and now

[Tachikoma]

We never had as many non games on a nintendo console before though.

[Dionysus]

Nintendo is still successful. They made more than enough money from the Wii to develop and release another console in a couple of years.

I was hoping something would come of that reversed controller-diode configuration, but it seems development is rather conservative.

They're contraptions that allow you to play games; in essence, the same as a chessboard, or a deck of cards. I don't think it makes any sense to call them "toys", target audience aside.
Going by strict meaning (regarding typical usage), chess sets and decks of cards are toys. So are vibrators and fleshlights.

[Canute87]

Slightly flawed reasoning, the Nintendo I grew up with made pretty much mostly games for gamers, NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube - pretty much a haven for great games.

yup. Sadly things just went wrong in the playstation era.

[Adonis]

I'll give a pass for naming N64 since it's a moot point but I must ask: Gamecube a haven for great games?

[masterriku]

If only DS and Wii made more actually games for gamers....

Wait wut :wha

[Canute87]

I'll give a pass for naming N64 since it's a moot point but I must ask: Gamecube a haven for great games?

Well, The system was more powerful than the playstation and development was easier.

[mystictrunks]

I'll give a pass for naming N64 since it's a moot point but I must ask: Gamecube a haven for great games?

By great games "gamers" mean it wasn't popular so it was automatically niche and cool.

[The Cheat]

Good post Neo, my little brother does love the wii, I think his taste will mature and he will move onto a more core system away from nintendo, while someone's taste that never matures can stick with stuff only like the Wii and DS forever.

If only DS and Wii made more actually games for gamers....

HOw isn't the DS for gamers ,its more innvoative than the wii and has something for everyone unlike the wii. Besides, handheld gaming has always been something for casual gamers too.

[Tachikoma]

I'll give a pass for naming N64 since it's a moot point but I must ask: Gamecube a haven for great games?
The Zelda games, Resident Evil 4, SSB.

Alright not exactly a haven but there werent outright trash marketed as top tier entertainment.

[Goofy Titan]

The Zelda games, Resident Evil 4, SSB.

Alright not exactly a haven but there werent outright trash marketed as top tier entertainment.

Due to long-period droughts of good games on the platform, shit sold, and sold really well.

Shadow the Hedgehog is one of the best selling games on the Gamecube.

[mystictrunks]

The Zelda games, Resident Evil 4, SSB.

Alright not exactly a haven but there werent outright trash marketed as top tier entertainment.

The Wii has the almost same amount of good games the GC did after only two or so years on the market.

[Tachikoma]

Did the Gamecube era Nintendo market shit like Wii Music?

[Icy_eagle]

Do shit games affect the gameplay of good games?

[mystictrunks]

Did the Gamecube era Nintendo market shit like Wii Music?

You mean gimmicky stuff? Yes Nintendo has always pumped out gimmicky stuff. The GC equivalent would probably be one of those bongo games or all that GBA connectivity stuff.

N64 era had a horde of pokemon related fluff like that talk to Pikachu game.

SNES had 'non-games' like Mario Paint.


Nintendo has always been into the gimmicks, I mean the NES launched with one didn't it?

[Goofy Titan]

Did the Gamecube era Nintendo market shit like Wii Music?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pokemon_Channel

[Tachikoma]

Missing the point.

This gen, Nintendo considers the crap their block busters to the detriment of their games/ip's gamers actually care about.

[mystictrunks]

Missing the point.

This gen, Nintendo considers the crap their block busters to the detriment of their games/ip's gamers actually care about.

Nintendo has released a new entry in almost every important Nintendo franchise for the Wii. All that's left are new the Zelda, Pikmin, and Donkey Kong entries. "Gamers" shouldn't be frustrated Nintendo never talks about their games until the games are almost finished.

It's always like this with Nintendo. In the GC era they put out stuff like Zelda: WW, Metrpid Prime 1&2, SSBM, and Sunshine while still making stuff like Donkey Konga 1-3, Pokemon Channel, and GBA to GC stuff.

[Tachikoma]

You know what, forget it, enjoy your new nintendo.

[EdgeoO]

Bring on moar PS3 content and continue to slaughter Wii please. Iunno, buying a next gen console I expect it to look better than the N64 I had 10 years ago and I'm not even a die-hard graphic person. Wii markets itself as a shallow piece of crap fun for ages 4-8 and 40+ like wth.

[Oxvial]

^Whats so bad with kids and old dudes??? in some years you gonna be a 40 old year man with little kids =p .

[mystictrunks]

Bring on moar PS3 content and continue to slaughter Wii please. Iunno, buying a next gen console I expect it to look better than the N64 I had 10 years ago and I'm not even a die-hard graphic person. Wii markets itself as a shallow piece of crap fun for ages 4-8 and 40+ like wth.

Since when has the Wi been slaughtered?

[Oxvial]

well wii get slaughtered via hardcore gamers critics but Ps3 gets slaughtered a lot too just go to ps blog and read all the reaction for the boring firmware update =p .. and I'm not going to talk about the xbox 3fixme critics.

[Stroev]

Seems like everything is hated due to something so small. For all systems, somewhat.

Well, I'll enjoy my Mad World and No More Heroes, wherever it's been released. And then I'll buy the new Zelda adn Pikmin when they announce it at E3. :zaru

Nvm, all they have to due is make a new Pokeymangz and Mario game for the Wii and they'll be back on their feet. :edu

[Tachikoma]

Mainline Pokemon will never come to a home console. Even if it would be a perfect MMO.

[Deaf Ninja Reaper]

I always said it, XBox 360 is a perfect console with many good games, excellent online. Yeah, it can be fucking unreliable with a "3 red of rings" but still worth your money.

Still, I say Wii will still carry on for 2, maybe 3 years before suffering DHA illness (Dreamcast Heart Attack) and die. :zaru

[Oxvial]

^Xbox 3fixme is a fun console but NOT PERFECT.

[Rikudou]

Nintendo doesn't care about you, they already got ur money! :edu

I think their profit was higher than those of 360 and PS3 combined...


I still fucking HATE the Wii. It's a great example of wasted potential that a shitload of people were dumb enough to buy.