Another jesus thread because we can never have enough.

[Red]

I was just wondering. Orthodox Christians believe God became man for a lot of reasons, one of which was to save us. My question is why didn't he do the reverse, instead of becoming man why not make all of us Gods? Would have been easier since he wouldn't have had to be nailed on a slab of wood. Plus I'd like to be a God too :pek

[Danny Lilithborne]

Jesus said "This and more shall you do".

So actually He did.

[parker pyne]

If all of us were Gods, then none of us would be Gods; 'cause God by definition is a superior being.

[adee]

Why do you think they "hate" socialism?

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

I was just wondering. Orthodox Christians believe God became man for a lot of reasons, one of which was to save us. My question is why didn't he do the reverse, instead of becoming man why not make all of us Gods? Would have been easier since he wouldn't have had to be nailed on a slab of wood. Plus I'd like to be a God too :pek

Why would you reward someone after they failed all those covenants before? If you take the Adam and Eve story of creation to be even partly true, we all had immortality before they fucked up anyway.

[Stroev]

Morals, moral, and more morals.

Plus that's the easy way, which seems... unorthodox for God.

[AwesomenessPrime]

Well, actually proverbs clearly states that if you can be trusted with a little, you can be trusted with even more. Ad previously stated with respect to the Garden of Eden; if we can't even follow basic instructions (do not touch, will harm you), why would we get more power, let alone limitless power. You're hilarious. So you rack up 100,000 dollars of credit card debt, default on your mortgage, declare bancrupcy and you want to be the head of the Federal Reserve?

How about no?

[Johnny Rotten]

A superior being like him would not make us gods if he intended for us to be humans. Changing us would be admitting he was wrong to make us human in the first place.

[Esponer]

So you rack up 100,000 dollars of credit card debt, default on your mortgage, declare bancrupcy and you want to be the head of the Federal Reserve?

How about no?
So your greatn grandmother ate an apple and you want to not be blamed for it forever?

[b.ferdo]

A superior being like him would not make us gods if he intended for us to be humans. Changing us would be admitting he was wrong to make us human in the first place.

Cause he was so right to make us humans?
For what reason?

[Johnny Rotten]

Cause he was so right to make us humans?
For what reason?

If he wasn't right, that God would not have made us. That's why.

He was right simply because we exist and he did make us. Anything he makes is right in some way going by the logic of an omnipotent God.

[Kira U. Masaki]

well technically your soul is still immortal; and if you believe in heaven depending on your interpretation you can be like a god

[Cax]

I think it's ridiculous that God determined humanities future entirely off of the determination of 2 people. Doesn't god know all? So why did he create such things (humans) which were so fallible to do something like that? Does that not mean he created humans, knowing they would do that, therefore either being selfish, sadistic or unthoughtful? Will put in more thought later.

[Johnny Rotten]

well technically your soul is still immortal; and if you believe in heaven depending on your interpretation you can be like a god

The majority of Christians believe you go to heaven to worship God. Not like in a sing-song harps-playing-all-day thing but something along those lines...

I'm only mentioning this because Christians are part of the biggest religion nowadays.

[Agmaster]

What's the point in making us able to refuse to believe in him in teh first place?

[Catterix]

What's the point in making us able to refuse to believe in him in teh first place?

... Because God gave us free will.

That's the story of Adam and Eve. And pretty much the point to the human race. We're not angels who are just automatically pure good, we're humans, with the ability to choose.

[Tokoyami]

Well thats retarded.

If he gives us the choice why fucking punish us for it? That sounds like setting one up to fail to me.

[Republican]

What's the point in making us able to refuse to believe in him in teh first place?

A humanly logical hypothesis (since we cannot truly say to know His intent):

Because our relationship with Him means absolutely nothing if we don't choose to have it.

[Hwon]

He does not punish us.We punish ourselves.It is like you know you are going to fall down from a cliff but you refuse to climb because you will be tired.

Except, in this analogy God has created the cliff and put us on it knowing we would refuse to climb it. Free will doesn't excuse God in anyway from the what happens.

From his perspective every person's action are exactly as he intend them to be because he knew they would happen prior to creating everyone. He knew if he created John he would become a murdering rapist. He creates John anyway and he murders and rapes women. Doesn't matter if John chooses his actions God had chosen the John that would choose to murder and rape.

[CrazyMoronX]

To answer the original question, the answer is simple: God has to obey his own rules.

Before Jesus came along you had to make a sacrifice in order to be cleansed of your sins. Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice; such that no more sacrifices needed to be made in order to cleanse your sins.