Who else is to die in Gundam 00?

[PirateAnju]

Ok so far, after watching gundam 00 for quite a while I feel like there is some pattern to foreshadow death. Haha, it might just be me but oh well.

Like, before Sergei died, i noticed that in the opening Marie/Soma chase after him and his back is turned around. I thought to myself COLONEL SMIRNOV IS GOING TO DIE, and he did. Killed by his very own son who i still think should die.

Then we have Anew. She suddenly makes an appearance in both the ending and opening, to show that she is a significant character in gundam 00. Well since it was obvious from the beginning that she is an innovator. It kinda was obvious to me that Lyle and Anew couldn't be together. One of the two had to die and the more obvious death leaned more towards Anew as she was the enemy.

Now who else is to die? well I had a feeling that Sumeragi might die. One of the important characters yet she doesn't make an appearance in the second opening at all. Also, remember Billy rips up her photo and says "Goodbye Kujoh". That could mean she would get killed too. I mean, Christina, Litchy and Morenos died already, we need another crew from Ptelomaios to follow in their paths.

Another possible death? I think its Tieria. As much as I love him, it just seems that he's another likely candidate to die. Why? well there are a few good reasons. One is that he's an innovator, again, innovator is the enemy but Tieria is a good guy. However its just that all the innovators will die and we know it, so Tieria might fall in the crew. Another is the ending and opening, I mentioned it in my other post. Tieria's the only one who's shirt is falling rather than flying or on a stable ground. His shirt and glasses are like drowning in water and looks dark. Foreshadowing death again. In the opening he gets sucked into the innovators and his eyes glow, which could mean he will end up dying with the pact cos in the end, he'll always be an innovator no matter how human he's become. I'm not saying he turns bad but its just, he'll die. One last reason to why he might die, is that he'll follow Lockon (Neil), he even claimed in the end of the first season that he'll go to where Lockon is. So i dunno, I just don't see any reason for him to still be alive if everything ends. It sounds cruel but its just my opinion.

Maybe Marie/Soma? I mean she never got to be the daughter of Sergei and she claimed that she will continue to fight and live on being a Super Soldier. Even though she turned back to Marie and once said she would be with Allelujah, she went back to Soma and vowed to kill Andrei. As Soma, she never accepted Allelujah's feelings and even in episode 20 when Allelujah's gundam was like smashed, she didn't show any care. Soma sure is cold. I just have this feeling that she might be killed in the process of killing Andrei.

Who else do you think will die?

Also, this stuff I just blabbed on about isn't like 100% or final. It's just my opinion and thoughts on what might happen, you know?
feel free to share your thoughts and opinions.
I notice, I post such looooooonnnnngg threads on gundam, shows my obsession with it :D

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Soma, like Yoko in TTGL, has absolutely no meaning whatsover as a character anymore. if she doesn't either turn back into Marie or learns to love Allelujah, then she's got to die.

Tieria is the same, I can't remember the last time he was important to the plot, though I believe he'll be kept alive (for no good reason).

I can see Andrei and Louise both dying, as well as the rest of the Innovators and Ribbons. Feldt too, as she is also pointless. Actually, isn't there a hell of a lot of pointless characters who live in this series yet it's the ones with potential who die? Sunrise :zaru

[NewtypeS3]

Soma, like Yoko in TTGL, has absolutely no meaning whatsover as a character anymore. if she doesn't either turn back into Marie or learns to love Allelujah, then she's got to die.
...which didn't stop Yoko from staying alive through to the end of TTGL at all.
In fact, Soma and Yoko have similar roles as characters right now: getting past the pain of losing someone. That's not a lack of characterization, that's actual character development. Soma has to find a new meaning in her life, seeing how she just lost the man who was like a father to her - not to mention she's got Marie somewhere inside her, bugging her to go with this odd guy who keeps calling her by that name and expects her to be someone else.
If you want to argue someone's useless... try Allelujah. He literally has had "Marie" be a grand total of 1/3rd of his lines for this season. And even then, he's unlikely to die.

Tieria is the same, I can't remember the last time he was important to the plot, though I believe he'll be kept alive (for no good reason).
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Tieria is an Innovator, and thus has to choose between being inhuman again or staying on the path that Lockon inspired him to take. That sounds like being damned important to the plot, considering the Innovators are the end-boss.

I can see Andrei and Louise both dying, as well as the rest of the Innovators and Ribbons. Feldt too, as she is also pointless. Actually, isn't there a hell of a lot of pointless characters who live in this series yet it's the ones with potential who die? Sunrise :zaru
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[RED MINOTAUR~!]

"...which didn't stop Yoko from staying alive through to the end of TTGL at all."

It didn't stop her having absolutely no fucking point in the story either.

"In fact, Soma and Yoko have similar roles as characters right now: getting past the pain of losing someone. That's not a lack of characterization, that's actual character development."

Yes, it's a lack of character development, because their character has barely been on the fucking screen since. How can it be character development if the character isn't on the screen to develop, and yet when they are on the screen they don't do what you say? Yoko fucked off to some island and was seen for one episode, and if she wasn't already in a spaceship on the far side of the Earth I can assure you Soma would've fucked off somewhere else too.

"Tieria is an Innovator, and thus has to choose between being inhuman again or staying on the path that Lockon inspired him to take."

It's interesting how that's not been mentioned for roughly the last 15 episodes. Even though that's not what he's been doing for the last 15 episodes, I'm sure that's what he is doing right now because you said and think so though.

"That sounds like being damned important to the plot, considering the Innovators are the end-boss."

Half of them have died halfway through the series and no one has given a fuck. I'm sure they're important to the plot as a group and are the end bosses though.

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And you can fuck off with your fucking 'lol picz' too. Just shut the fuck up and fuck off already, you big fucking piss-brained wanker of a twat. I like how you think you're right but provide shit evidence that doesn't hold up to the present time.

I've made my point (twice) and as far as I am concerned you are the stupid person who thinks they're right but everyone else can clearly see you are wrong and stupid. I don't see a point in coming back to the thread and making this some stupid Wesley/Red Zaku ribble-rabble that makes everyone else reading the thread want to leave it, so bye bye :zaru

[NewtypeS3]

"...which didn't stop Yoko from staying alive through to the end of TTGL at all."
It didn't stop her having absolutely no fucking point in the story either.
...and your evidence for this is... where, exactly? You cry foul and insult me for not 'backing up my claims' as you say, but then you turn right around and completely ignore that very same rule?
Yoko may not have been a major player, but she had just as much of a point in hanging around as Kittan did, to say nothing of Leeron or Dayakka. Character development does not happen overnight, nor do good characters remain exactly the same throughout the series. Yoko's initial role in the series was to provide a comparison view to how Simon adjusted to the loss of Kamina - how two different people dealt with losing the same person. As the series moved on, Yoko also moved on. It was not a major plot, as Yoko was gone for several episodes pursuing her own life and moving on... but it was brought up in a nice bow in episode 26, with Kamina himself saying that Yoko could move on with her own life.

Yeah, she was totally useless to the series, wasn't she?

"In fact, Soma and Yoko have similar roles as characters right now: getting past the pain of losing someone. That's not a lack of characterization, that's actual character development."
Yes, it's a lack of character development, because their character has barely been on the fucking screen since. How can it be character development if the character isn't on the screen to develop, and yet when they are on the screen they don't do what you say? Yoko fucked off to some island and was seen for one episode, and if she wasn't already in a spaceship on the far side of the Earth I can assure you Soma would've fucked off somewhere else too.
Yoko wasn't a major focus because the more important thing for that story arc of TTGL was to establish the new villains and the future setting. We barely learned anything about Simon and Nia in the second half of the series beyond the fact that they're in a relationship and Simon is leading the world. Guess they're completely unimportant as well, aren't they? You know, in spite of being the mains of the show.

And as for your statement on Soma... your statement really holds no water, seeing how she's not going off somewhere else. Soma has actually had plenty of chances to leave - to go back to the A-Laws if she wishes, or to just start a new life. Marie hung around because she loved Al (and, ironically, did almost nothing during her time as Marie... something you bash Soma for), while Soma now also has a desire for revenge running through her - vengeance that she can only attain as a part of Celestial Being.
Oh, and she also blatantly still cares for Al, unless you're somehow blind to normal human relationships.

"Tieria is an Innovator, and thus has to choose between being inhuman again or staying on the path that Lockon inspired him to take."
It's interesting how that's not been mentioned for roughly the last 15 episodes. Even though that's not what he's been doing for the last 15 episodes, I'm sure that's what he is doing right now because you said and think so though.
...for the last 15?
Kinda funny - Tieria didn't know he was an Innovator until episode 8. 20 minus 8 equals... 12. So, really, this begins to bring your entire argument into doubt, if you can't remember something that simple. And no, 'roughly' doesn't count here, considering 12 is a pretty vague definition of 'rough.' And ever since that episode, Tieria has had some level of struggle in figuring out what he is, as well as what he wants to be. This is pretty blatant, and I'm wondering why you missed it.

"That sounds like being damned important to the plot, considering the Innovators are the end-boss."
Half of them have died halfway through the series and no one has given a fuck. I'm sure they're important to the plot as a group and are the end bosses though.
Because the ones that have died are the unimportant ones.
Unless you happen to think that the Titans were completely unimportant in Zeta because so many of them died before their end-boss characters popped out.

And you can fuck off with your fucking 'lol picz' too. Just shut the fuck up and fuck off already, you big fucking piss-brained wanker of a twat. I like how you think you're right but provide shit evidence that doesn't hold up to the present time.
...yes, because swearing like a sailor certainly proves any points you claim to make about being right or whatever it is you're trying to say.

I've made my point (twice)
So far, I've only seen random claims and insults of characters. No evidence or point whatsoever.

and as far as I am concerned you are the stupid person who thinks they're right but everyone else can clearly see you are wrong and stupid. I don't see a point in coming back to the thread and making this some stupid Wesley/Red Zaku ribble-rabble that makes everyone else reading the thread want to leave it, so bye bye :zaru
Sure, I don't really care what you think about me or not.

Hell, I really don't even care about what you've been saying. You can make the argument of Soma/Tieria/whoever you want dying... but you kinda need to have more behind it than "I dislike the character."

[son_michael]

Mannequin is probably the next character to die since just recently

Anew died


and then after her Louise is next

[PirateAnju]

come to think of it,

also mannequin, louise, andrei

[PirateAnju]

OH
After watching episode #20 subbed, Louise is also likely to die.
She has already become a part of the Innovator group. She is the only human who will represent the Innovators. Ribbons also talked about her medication and how without it, its eating away her cells or something. So if the Innovators are defeated, and she still stays alive, chances of her being alive for long are slim as she no longer has the medication. OR she fights alongside the Innovators and die with them. I mean even Saji thought that he might end up like Lockon (Lyle) with Anew. Louise becomes the enemy and she might be shot down, seeing as her view on Gundams are the same.

[Valky]

Mannequin might be helping Sumeragi as tactician in the end. I don't think she'll die soon. Well, that's what i'm hoping for, i guess.

[NewtypeS3]

I really have to say that there hasn't been much of a pattern in how characters for 00 die. Just because one relationship ended in tragedy doesn't magically mean that the creators are going to start offing every single relationship in the series (now, there's certainly potential for Louise to die, as she has extensive GN-Poisoning - probably far worse than Setsuna or Lasse...).
As a side-note, Katie Mannequinn and Patrick Colassaur are probably the only 'immortal' couple so far, mainly because Patrick is around to defy the conventions of Gundam. Patrick started off as a cocky-as-hell ace pilot, then fell in love as he pursued his commander. That's often a death sentance in other shows... yet he's survived his proverbial execution three times already. Further, Katie isn't exactly an idiot, unlike the other A-Laws captains we've seen so far. She's even gone so far as to keep Patrick 'the Immortal' Colassaur right next to her, even if she doesn't believe in his 'gift.' Sure, both could still die, but it's unlikely at this point.

My honest guess as for who could/will die, though...
---Mr. Bushido. Because he's probably suffering from similar GN-damage, and he only lives to fight Setsuna. At this point, if he doesn't die, even if it's while saving Setsuna somehow, I'll be surprised.
---Allelujah. Mostly because of his current skill level being so horrible that he will die unless something happens to snap him out of it. And with 5 episodes left, that might not happen. Of course, he needs to have enough screen time to actually die, but...
---Lyckon/Lockon-2/Lyle Dylandy. Because he's close to going down the same route as his older brother did, and we all saw how stupidly Neil went out, even if it was in an awesome way. I give him literally even odds on if he gets out or not, though.
---The rest of the Innovators, sans Tieria of course. Because they're the villains.

...now, could I be wrong? Certainly.
As I said, 00 loves to defy the conventions - even the ones they made up.

[reaperunique]

mannequin, maybe Andrei and a dozen fodders but those die every week

[Koroshi]

I think it'll be Andrei that dies, if not then probably Sumeragi.

[LeafWolfie]

And because it is unpredictable at times, here's my picks:

Billy
Bushido
Lasse :( I just have this bad feeling
Ribbons...well yeah, right?
The very little girl, the cheery one, on the Ptolemaios (not Fedlt)
Louise...by Ribbons or one of the Innovators

[Fei]

Bushido is a given, he'll probably die redeeming himself somehow since he defines himself by fighting gundams and obviously this won't be necessary after the series is over giving him no purpose in life.

All of the innovators (I'll get to Tieria in a second), irredeemable, main antagonists etc.

In all likelihood one more meister has to die, my money is with Tieria. Killing the second Lockon would just be redundant and both Setsuna and Allelujah have something to live for (Setsuna's dream of peace/Marina/he has the main character thing going for him, Marie/Soma in Allelujah's case). It just seems like the story is going to end with some theme about humanity making up its own mind and guiding itself free from Veda and the innovators influence and I think Tiera's death would follow that pretty well. He wouldn't be necessary in the world that is coming post-Veda.

Nena will die to atone for what she did to Louis in S1.

I don't really see why you'd leave Ali alive either, hes nothing but a killing machine and hes irredeemable, he doesn't fit with the peace we'll likely get at the end.

I don't see Wang Liu Mei escaping her current scenario unscathed, I'll predict Hong Long dying to get her to safety since I think that Celestial Being getting those Veda coordinates is paramount to the story.

Goodman, Homer, upper echelon A-Laws will probably be killed on the bridge of an exploding ship.

Definitely Lasse, we already know that his body is deteriorating, hes going to die anyway he might as well go out with a bang.

I could see Ian, his wife, and a lot of the minor techs dying too. They aren't that important to the story and their death would help balance it out since all of these bad guys will be dying.

Patrick dying at the end of the series to signify its end would be fitting, his luck would run out so to speak.

[PirateAnju]

OK after watching all these latest episodes of gundam 00, i think that its possible that all the characters will die in season 2 and i think that setsuna will be the only living character. He will lead humanity into a new direction.

[FireHawk64]

OK after watching all these latest episodes of gundam 00, i think that its possible that all the characters will die in season 2 and i think that setsuna will be the only living character. He will lead humanity into a new direction.


I agree, that would be the best outcome. Saji should die first.

[Nightfall]

I just catched up on the episodes 15-23. Before I watched those, I had a feeling Marina would be a victim of Ali sometime down the road... Just because shitty things happen sometimes, and it wouldn't be the first time Ali had been the cause of others sorrow. Now I'm really not sure, I just had a feeling she would die. I don't see how that could happen at the moment though....

[Sephiroth]

Louise and Ribbons for sure.

I hope Louise, Nena's death sucked because of her. :D:

They should of had a better fight though, would of made the revenge more satisfying for Louise to get.

[adee]

Ribbons must escape.
And another season can be made then x]

[Sephiroth]

Ribbons is part of Veda now right? I don't think he can escape. :S

Sucks that I know my favorite character is about to die in the next episode probly, Ali. :lmao