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Sama'el
02-17-2009, 03:59 PM
My Savior, Their Killer (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/opinion/17bizot.html)
By FRANÇOIS BIZOT
Published: February 16, 2009

AFTER 10 years of detention, Kaing Guek Eav, alias Comrade Duch, is to appear today before the Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia, charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. He was arrested in 1999, after 20 years of living incognito, for crimes committed on his orders as commander of the Tuol Sleng prison in Phnom Penh from 1975 to 1979, when the Khmer Rouge controlled Cambodia and were responsible for the deaths of more than a million people.

I was his prisoner for three months in 1971, in a camp known as M13 hidden in the forest of the Cardamom mountains. I had been doing field work in the Cambodian countryside, searching for ancient Khmer Buddhist manuscripts, when I was ambushed by Khmer Rouge militants fighting Cambodia’s American-backed government. I was accused of being a C.I.A. spy and sentenced to death.

Duch was in charge of the jungle camp, both my jailer and my prosecutor. I was kept in chains and interrogated daily by him. Somehow, during the strange dialogue that began between us, he became convinced that I really was just a Frenchman who wanted to study Buddhist texts. Duch undertook to secure my release. My two Khmer assistants did not have the same good fortune: despite Duch’s promise to me, they were executed soon after I left the camp, as so many thousands were in the years to come under his meticulous supervision.

I did not see Duch again until 2003, in the military prison in Phnom Penh. Conditions there were rudimentary, but the general feel was not that of a jail. I remember that he had the same look of determination that he had had 32 years earlier, though the smile that he had occasionally flashed when he ruled over my fate was gone.

In the whirl of conflicting emotions provoked by seeing him again, I asked him: “How are things here? Is it all right?” Compelled to repeat the question, I felt its incongruity: the executioner was now on the other side of the gate, as I had foreseen in my dreams, in the place once occupied by his victims.

In July 2007, he was transferred to one of the eight cells in the detention center that is part of the vast complex where the war crimes court is based and where his trial will take place. I visited him there. At the time, he enjoyed the relative comfort of his new surroundings. Four other elderly Khmer Rouge leaders were also incarcerated there. They were well cared for; food, cells, a television room, a visiting room — everything was in conformance with international rules, enough to make the guards jealous.

But Duch may today regret having left the tedium of the military prison. After years of stalling, and many months of thorough preliminary investigations, the trial that so few people wanted is about to begin. The sound of the preparations for it rings out in the detention center as if it were an execution.

The death penalty, which Duch ordered at least 12,380 times, does not exist in United Nations-backed tribunals like this one. His condemnation will not have the too-familiar instantaneousness of the Khmer Rouge hoe striking the back of the neck, but his sentence will be long and relentless.

The worst that he risks, however, is not imprisonment itself, but seeing his reasons for living disappear. His life now revolves around the visits from his children, a right that was denied to his victims, and his faith in the judicial process — a process that did not exist at Tuol Sleng.

Duch does not raise any objection to his trial. In his heart lie the same fears that haunted each of his victims — ancient fears that have never ceased to haunt mankind. Thus he has admitted his guilt, bowed over and humbled by the horror of what he has done.

Last February, Duch was led, with his consent, to the scenes of his crimes. The visit was a shock for all who witnessed it. This major judicial step took place in an atmosphere of intense, palpable emotion.

“I ask for your forgiveness — I know that you cannot forgive me, but I ask you to leave me the hope that you might,” he said before collapsing in tears on the shoulder of one of his guards.

I was not there — it was a closed hearing — but those who were reported that the cry of the former executioner betrayed such suffering that one of the few survivors of Tuol Sleng screamed out, “Here are the words that I’ve longed to hear for 30 years!”

It could be that forgiveness is possible after a simple, natural process, when the victim feels that he has been repaid. And the executioner has to pay dearly, for it is the proof of his suffering that eases ours.

Let us not fool ourselves. Beyond the crimes that Duch committed against humanity, those of the Khmer Rouge will also be judged. And beyond the crimes of the Khmer Rouge, the capacity of the tribunals to mete out justice will be tested, as well as our ability to judge man himself, and history. We shall all be at the trial — not just as judges, but also as victims, and the accused.

The genocide of the Khmer Rouge will be judged as a “crime against humanity,” a crime against ourselves. As such, Duch’s guilt exceeds his immediate victims; it becomes the guilt of humanity, in the name of all victims. Duch killed mankind. The trial of the Khmer Rouge should be an opportunity for each of us to gaze at the torturer with some distance — from beyond the intolerable cry of the suffering, which may veil the truth of the abomination. The only way to look at the torturer is to humanize him.

François Bizot is the author of “The Gate,” a memoir. This essay was translated by The Times from the French.

It's interesting to see what happens to the executioners when they find themselves on the other end of the gun. You should read the whole article, really, rather than just comment based on your first impression.

Mael
02-17-2009, 04:09 PM
As such, Duch’s guilt exceeds his immediate victims; it becomes the guilt of humanity, in the name of all victims. Duch killed mankind.

I think this pretty much summed my opinion here. While there is no excuse for the Khmer Rouge's reign of terror in Cambodia, I do credit Mr. Duch for being up front with his guilt. Whether he is executed or imprisoned for life (no doubt the preferred option of many), he is owning up to his crimes in the past. For me personally, if he is to be executed, then his punishment fits his crime.

Tokoyami
02-17-2009, 04:13 PM
Amusing he may get the punishment he dished out to his victims.

Odd how far he fell no?

Agmaster
02-17-2009, 04:16 PM
Don't know. Perhaps I am too brutal and broken by the world, but by now, fuck his peace of heart and mind. Even if he did kind things, I find myself oddly balancing this in an objective sense. Thus his tears and feelings of guilt mean little to me.

Of course, I am not going to automatically say everyone he executed was wrong, unfortunately you can't really be like 'You can't charge me for this execution. THAT guy deserved it.' So ....factoring in a boss who was laying down errors, we'll charge him for only half of the executions he had a direct hand in. A quarter for those he delegated.

Oh wow, look. Still a mass murderer. I laugh at his tears and despite not being wronged by him in the least would enjoy punishing him for his crimes by inflictiong suffering. But I wouldn't kill him, because I don't deserve such a treat.

horsdhaleine
02-17-2009, 04:53 PM
“I ask for your forgiveness — I know that you cannot forgive me, but I ask you to leave me the hope that you might,” he said before collapsing in tears on the shoulder of one of his guards.

I was not there — it was a closed hearing — but those who were reported that the cry of the former executioner betrayed such suffering that one of the few survivors of Tuol Sleng screamed out, “Here are the words that I’ve longed to hear for 30 years!”

We cannot undo the crimes done in the past. I guess what most survivors and the general populace want is the trial (of such people like Duch) and public apology.

I think I've already mentioned in the debate thread that there are groups of women here who are still asking the Japanese government for public apology. These women suffered sexual slavery during WWII. They are also known as comfort women. If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese government already paid reparations. I've seen documentaries where the women were interviewed and most of them would day, "We don't want money. What we want from them is to admit their crimes and formally apologize." (rough translation)

Of course, with a great number of people, a tinge of hatred will always be there. And this hatred only grows bigger when the government tries to cover it up. It's like saying, your lives are not that worthy and so your suffering will not be recognized. Back in the debate thread, I have openly expressed several times my "disgust" with the American hypocrisy regarding their crimes abroad. And it's insulting and painful to see someone replying to me and saying that I was simply whining about the past and that I was thinking that my country was super important even if it's relatively unknown. Not only that, the number of swear words used in that person's post is equally offensive as well. It's not a very good way to settle dispute, isn't it?

Trial of some important figures involved in war crimes and public apology from the government, are they really that hard?

If someone so brutal like Duch was able to do it, why can't others? :)

Cirus
02-18-2009, 01:26 AM
For a person who had so many people killed I don't feel any compasion towards. I though I don't want to see the guy killed. I think that he should be forced to work hard labor in unhumain conditions for the rest of his life because killing him will make the people who want revenge no better then that guy.

Aldrick
02-18-2009, 04:23 AM
Even absolutely disgusting monsters like this are still human. But still monsters.

dummy plug
02-18-2009, 04:35 AM
well he has to be punished for his war crimes :oh

Adrianhamm
02-18-2009, 07:05 AM
The death penalty, which Duch ordered at least 12,380 times, does not exist in United Nations-backed tribunals like this one. His condemnation will not have the too-familiar instantaneousness of the Khmer Rouge hoe striking the back of the neck, but his sentence will be long and relentless.
How old is he anyway?

Sama'el
02-18-2009, 11:34 AM
How old is he anyway?

I'd say probably in his 70s. He's been on the lam since 1979, when the Khmer Rouge were overthrown by a the Vietnamese military.

He probably never killed anyone with his own hands. He ordered others to do the wetwork. Still, ordering 12k executions over a period of 4 years is quite a rate for a prison commandant.

Toby
02-18-2009, 02:49 PM
Does lifetime in prison really compare to execution, from the prisoner's point of view?

saprobe
02-18-2009, 03:15 PM
Duch is the first of 5 Khmer Rouge leaders to finally face trial. He is the only one who is openly apologetic, so I suppose it's a good place to start. Hopefully, these trials will be cathartic for survivors. They've waited so long to see any justice done. To me, it doesn't matter much to me what sort of punishment these men receive as long as it gives some comfort to the survivors.

narutosimpson
02-18-2009, 03:34 PM
i guess everyone who's an ass in their life, no matter how great an ass they are, can expect to repent and be granted forgiveness later on in life. I hope they are very harsh.

Shibo Hebihime Uirusu
02-18-2009, 06:42 PM
Lol, it kinda sounds like Death Note...except without Shinigami and the Death Note, lol...

zabuza666
02-18-2009, 07:40 PM
Gun. Bullet. head