Gundam 00 S2 episode 18 "Mixed Feelings"(交錯する想い)live/Raw/sub discussion

[Blaze of Glory]

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Episode synopsis

Four months after the destruction of the orbital elevator in Africa, the world is a different place. The Federation now worries about the control of power under A-LAWS' jurisdiction. Tieria suggests to the Ptolemy crew that this time they should carry out a mission to take back Veda. And for that purpose, Sumeragi designs a plan centered around capturing an Innovator.

Recap

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We get Sergei flashback


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Andrei as a little kid playing The Grudge and acting like Toshio XDDD


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Setsuna has a prostate exam

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Problems between Sergei and Hercules

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Sumeragi battle tactic: Use her milkshake to bring the boys the yard but no

work Y.Y



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Old love on the battlefield


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The game begins

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And the show ends with the audience thinking the same thing about Andrei

Check back after episode ends for rating
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Episode rating

90%

9/10

"Great episode that makes way for perhaps the biggest battle this scene"

Episode Review:4 months time skip not too much affecting of what's going on behind the scenes as it becomes obvious of what is too come. Regene continues her mischievous schemes and is in cahoots with Wang to probal overthrow Ribbons and gain control of Veda. The pacing in the episode is also good. Much disgust at Andrei/Louise. Marie has decided to become Soma which spells trouble for Allelujah as well as for Lockon 2 when he discovers Anew is on the side of the Innovators. Perhaps, by episode 20 she will turn on Celestial Being. The mission to reclaim Veda about to begin. Mr. Bushido is participating along with the Innovators and patricide Andrei and the tragic Louise. All I know is I can't wait for it to begin.

[Nayrael]

The last part was greatest :D

[SilentBobX]

2 more minutes, people! Let's get this Thread look'n lively!

I predict that Mari will Kick Aundre's Faggity Ass!

[Aeon]

Damn it, I'm late tonight...

[Moon Light]

and awesome battle right off the bat:laugh

[Aeon]

Yet another Memento Mori?

[SilentBobX]

Woah, Clouse' is gett'n comfy!

WAIT! Soma's back!

[Aeon]

Marina has settled into a housewife type role and Soma/Marie is pissed.

[Aeon]

Kill him Louise. :yell

[SilentBobX]

HE DON'T DESERVE TO HUG!!!!

[Aeon]

He should just be killed now...

[SilentBobX]

Damn, Lyle's gooooood! :nuts

[Aeon]

Anew and Lockon have become a couple. :LOS

[Aeon]

I don't think Anew knows she's being used as a locator beacon.

[SilentBobX]

Aaaaaaaaaand, Anew's an Innovator... go fig. :/

[Aeon]

Looks like they're going to try to wipe out Celestial Being. :hmm

[SilentBobX]

Ha! Oh, Lyle. You Flirt!

AHA! And Why Am I not surprised Setsuna says Gundam!

[Aeon]

Lol, did he just say he loved Anew?

[SilentBobX]

YES! Marina dies!!!

[Aeon]

Oh crap, and what is she up too? :hmm

[SilentBobX]

Oh crap, and what is she up too? :hmm

yeah, I didn't like that evil look in her eyes, when she got that paper.

"Finally... the laundry list..."

[Aeon]

Lol, I can't remember her name...

And FMA commercial!

[Graham Aker]

Wang is heading towards Veda.

[Aeon]

Oh yeah, Wang Liu Mei. I wonder what they're planning to do. :hmm

[Moon Light]

Think she wil go to the moon base were Veda main terminal is an if Ribbons left Aeolia's body she'll see that too and maybe give Veda back to CB or keep it to herself? :awesome

[Graham Aker]

Keep it to herself most likely. Bitch got some diabolical scheme hidden between that cleavage. I hope she shows it to us. :druul

And looks like Setsuna can now detect Quantum Brainwaves since he gave a reaction when Revive was pinging Anew. Probably the effect of the GN bullet.

[blah604]

Heres Summary and Screenies (http://blah604.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/gundam-00-season-2-episode-18/)

[Goodfellow]

Keep it to herself most likely. Bitch got some diabolical scheme hidden between that cleavage. I hope she shows it to us. :druul

And looks like Setsuna can now detect Quantum Brainwaves since he gave a reaction when Revive was pinging Anew. Probably the effect of the GN bullet.

Oh shit. You know what that means right:uwah?!

[Wesley]

I wish someone would loose a cadre of Xenomorphs on Pote'. It'd be enough to get me to watch the series again at any rate. And you just know one would seek aboard OO and bite Setsuna's head off just as he was sitting down, splattering his brains all over the view screens. :kukuku

[PirateAnju]

AHHHHHH ANEW AND LOCKON DID IT:(

i'm a feldtxlockon fan. well i think that anew is gonna betray all of celestial being since she's an innovator and then lockon is forced to fight her or something along those lines.
i hope to see anew betray lockon and make him hate her then goes to feldt :nod

[ChocolateBar999]

AHHHHHH ANEW AND LOCKON DID IT:(

i'm a feldtxlockon fan. well i think that anew is gonna betray all of celestial being since she's an innovator and then lockon is forced to fight her or something along those lines.
i hope to see anew betray lockon and make him hate her then goes to feldt :nod
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[Rukia]

AHHHHHH ANEW AND LOCKON DID IT:(

i'm a feldtxlockon fan. well i think that anew is gonna betray all of celestial being since she's an innovator and then lockon is forced to fight her or something along those lines.
i hope to see anew betray lockon and make him hate her then goes to feldt :nodEasiest neg I have ever given. Just a really idiotic post. :facepalm

[Blaze of Glory]

Episode ending with Marina being shot

:kthumb

Me likes

Andrei is an asshole obviously. :zaru

Go lockon Go Lockon Go Lockon :dance :dance :dance

Innovators plot :pek

Random Momento Mori battle Wow :zaru

Character devlopment great

Btw I added the rating on the OP

Check it

However, until the Sub comes out I won't add the review

[SilentBobX]

AHHHHHH ANEW AND LOCKON DID IT:(

i'm a feldtxlockon fan. well i think that anew is gonna betray all of celestial being since she's an innovator and then lockon is forced to fight her or something along those lines.
i hope to see anew betray lockon and make him hate her then goes to feldt :nod

:ryoma

She liked Niel! Not Lyle. Did you not get the memo.

[Wesley]

Yes, Feldt should just kill herself. Kill yourself, Feldt! It's what Lockon would have wanted!

[Goodfellow]

Yes, Feldt should just kill herself. Kill yourself, Feldt! It's what Lockon would have wanted!

B-but Feldt is fanservice for the whole family. You can't off her, can you:(? CAN YOU?!!

[Wesley]

B-but Feldt is fanservice for the whole family. You can't off her, can you:(? CAN YOU?!!

Heh. I've wanted cuter, more fanservical girls to die than her. Though to be honest, and unsurprisingly, anyone that's a member of Celestial Being is most deserving of a swift, brutal, and messy death as far as I'm concerned. I don't care what their reasons are or who they are fighting against. It's simply too late.

[sveni]

btw die marina die!

[Masurao]

Lol Alle...now that Soma's back, looks like no more super soldier poon for you.:zaru

[Graham Aker]

Al looks like he was gonna cry in some scenes.
Such an unfortunate twist of fate that befell upon them all.

Oh shit. You know what that means right:uwah?!
That the A-LAWS and Innovators are still fucked, even more so now? :awesome

[Wesley]

Wait, Klaus is dead? As in worthless Kataron leader Klaus? F- yeah! :awesome

[MasterKakuzu]

Whats Cat-a-ron? Is that a marathon with cats?

[Wesley]

Whats Cat-a-ron? Is that a marathon with cats?

Whatever that anti-government militia group that exists solely to get shot and killed as fodder is called.

[Rob`]

yeh cataron are pretty shit

anyways good episode i thought

i loved how at the end the characters were giving the names of various loved ones, then tiera came out with "veda" and setsuna with "gundam", seriously

also bring back marie! dont like emo soma

[Rukia]

Which post was it? I hit 15000 a few weeks ago. I think it was in the FFXIII thread over in the game section.Oh no idea. I wasn't paying attention when I got it. Probably the NBA thread or some random movie thread.

I heard there was a Full Metal Alchemist trailer aired with this week's episode. That's pretty good news. When does that show start? :nuts

[Masurao]

What in the hell happened here?

[Wesley]

Oh no idea. I wasn't paying attention when I got it. Probably the NBA thread or some random movie thread.

I heard there was a Full Metal Alchemist trailer aired with this week's episode. That's pretty good news. When does that show start? :nuts

You suppose they'll trash the Code Geass subforum and give FMA back it's rightful place? :zaru

Or maybe they can ditch the Gundam subforum since there won't be any new news for at least a couple years after OO is finally finished and I really doubt they'll make a Seed movie at this point.

[Rukia]

You suppose they'll trash the Code Geass subforum and give FMA back it's rightful place? :zaru

Or maybe they can ditch the Gundam subforum since there won't be any new news for at least a couple years after OO is finally finished and I really doubt they'll make a Seed movie at this point.That's too bad. A Seed movie could have been good. I probably would have watched it at any rate.

[Wesley]

That's too bad. A Seed movie could have been good. I probably would have watched it at any rate.

I think the hardest decision would have been on what to base it around. Seed is quite large with dozens of groups and Gundams floating around. It's a chaotic universe going off in so many different directions, that to center it around Kira all the time would probably be a disservice. Especially since Kira as a character is reluctant to act.

[Masurao]

I still need to finish SEED, and Gundam ZZ.

[Golbez]

That final sequence before the end credits... Setsuna... I haven't laughed that much for like forever. Everyone mentions a loved one or relative or whatever... But Setsuna... God I lol'ed.

[Masurao]

Yes, Setsuna's Gundam obsessions is truly amsuing. Tieria saying Veda wasn't much better lol.

[Darth]

That final sequence before the end credits... Setsuna... I haven't laughed that much for like forever. Everyone mentions a loved one or relative or whatever... But Setsuna... God I lol'ed.

Tieria said "Veda"


pshh.. lame..


and I hated how easily they took out Memento Mori #2 this time.. it took them like ten seconds..


i hope we get to see nadleeh in the upcoming fight.....

Marie>Soma any day of the week..

[Masurao]

I'm actually glad Soma's back. I liked her more than Marie.

[Hidd3N_NiN]

I don't see how anyone could have liked Marie. :rofl She did nothing notable at all except give the impression that she was some kind of housewife.

[olaf]

That final sequence before the end credits... Setsuna... I haven't laughed that much for like forever. Everyone mentions a loved one or relative or whatever... But Setsuna... God I lol'ed.
Tieria mentioning Veda wasn't big surprise

well, Setsuna x Gundam is canon now. and marina probably died anyway, no use of her for him (unless he prefers his girls stone cold dead) :zaru

[Golbez]

When Tieria mentioned Veda, I chuckled quite a bit indeed, but Setsuna's Gundam was so uncalled for. :zaru

Also Lyle is totally awesome, dawg. :LOS

[Rukia]

I'm actually glad Soma's back. I liked her more than Marie.Definitely. Soma was the best character on the show. Marie has been pretty mediocre since she emerged.

[Beowulf]

I loved the ending song, I cried. ;_;

[Zhiyao]

so anyone got a feeling that sunrise is gonna put liek 50 percent of the shows budget into the next few episodes? I got a feeling that episode 18 is gonna be the last "slow" episode of the show

[Wesley]

Definitely. Soma was the best character on the show. Marie has been pretty mediocre since she emerged.

I still resent the send off they gave Soma's character. Talking about her like she was just some horrible machine that simply followed orders. Competely destroyed the mentoring Sergei provided for her and devolved their relationship into a father/daughter pairing, regardless of how natural a developement that may have been.

Sergei was better with Soma than Gollum ever was.

[Logic]

Lyle was so casual about it.

Oh yeah btw I love you. Kbye.

[Rukia]

Lyle/Anew doesn't stand a ghost of a chance of working out. That relationship has tragic endng written all over it.

[qks]

Tieria said "Veda"


pshh.. lame..


and I hated how easily they took out Memento Mori #2 this time.. it took them like ten seconds..


i hope we get to see nadleeh in the upcoming fight.....

Marie>Soma any day of the week..
dude nadleeh got destroyed least season

[ChocolateBar999]

Definitely. Soma was the best character on the show.
Uh Tieria would like a word with you :zaru
Plus Hallelujah hasn't come back yet, so I wouldn't use best character along with her since she's just as boring as Marie and without Siergei what was the point of bringing her back in the first place :notrust
I still resent the send off they gave Soma's character. Talking about her like she was just some horrible machine that simply followed orders. Competely destroyed the mentoring Sergei provided for her and devolved their relationship into a father/daughter pairing, regardless of how natural a developement that may have been.

Sergei was better with Soma than Gollum ever was.
Because that was she was incase you forgot Marie=Soma:zaru
Sergei pretty much made Soma interesting and now that he's gone all we have is a Louise 2.0.

[Wesley]

dude nadleeh got destroyed least season

And good riddance too. It was a worthless thing. "Lol. Off-switch." and that was the big secret behind it. It showed up as a means of improbable escape at one point, but that was basically it.

Now, supposedly Virtue Mk. II is also wearing armor over a chasis, but it's proven to be a pretty stupid concept if you ask me. Even as a surprise for an enemy, it really doesn't grant any real advantages. Basically a transforming mecha that doesn't really transform. No aerodynamics or hidden weapon placements.

Because that was she was incase you forgot Marie=Soma:zaru

I'm sorry, I don't buy it. It's bullshit that the writers came up with to give Gollum a purpose, while adding a stable romance into the series for people to glomp onto. Because you know they look so good together. :whoo

:notrust

In one fell swoop, Gollum gets a pass for being a shitty character, while destroying one of the more likeable characters and relationships in the show. And maybe Soma wasn't a dynamic character, but at least she didn't ham things up like Celestial Being members liked to do. She was a mecha pilot. She was focused on what needed to be done, but wasn't self-destructive or reckless. A professional, like Graham used to be.

[ChocolateBar999]

Lyle/Anew doesn't stand a ghost of a chance of working out. That relationship has tragic endng written all over it.
It's sad that Lyle's whole character development is centered on this forced pairing, now I predict the crew finding out Anew's secret and Lyle defecting for her basically giving them all the middle finger.

[Wesley]

It's sad that Lyle's whole character development is centered on this forced pairing, now I predict the crew finding out Anew's secret and Lyle defecting for her basically giving them all the middle finger.

Him working for Kataron seems to have been a bust. Those guys are absolutely useless.

[son_michael]

another great episode, so Anew doesn't know she's an innovator.... that's gonna be another tragic pairing...


looks like Saji gets his talk with Louise next ep

[superman_1]

good episode overall...big battle coming up...so glad soma is back...andrei got promoted...lets hope he dies more quickly.... lyle and anew hooked up...ending was awesome...tiera-veda..setsuna-gundam...lol...cant wait for next ep... damm the subbers are late this time...

[Ruriko]

Stream it Online DIVX QUALITY (http://www.lovelyanime.com/gundam-00-second-season-ep-18/)

[Aeon]

Finally saw the sub. Here I thought it was a 3rd Memento Mori they were destroying in the beginning of the episode. Guess I was wrong.

[Graham Aker]

Just to prepare you guys. Andrei will most likely butt in Saji and Louise' reunion/talk and be a complete dickhead. It's not a spoiler, but it's a possibility. So, just preparing you guys for his royal douchiness next ep.

Of course I hope it doesn't happen, and that Ma- I mean Soma, would be kicking his father killer ass.

[Aeon]

Just hearing him talk this episode made me mad. Soma needs to get her revenge on him soon. :mad

[Muk]

screen shot summary?

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Or maybe they can ditch the Gundam subforum since there won't be any new news for at least a couple years after OO is finally finished and I really doubt they'll make a Seed movie at this point.

They stated before Part Two that there would be an announcement about some sort of future Gundam series at the end of this current series, friend.

Yes, they announced that they would make an announcement. Sunrise :zaru

[Rukia]

Just hearing him talk this episode made me mad. Soma needs to get her revenge on him soon. :madHe has an annoying voice too. I think his voice actor is going to be stuck constantly playing these sort of roles since his voice makes it so easy to dislike him.

[son_michael]

Just to prepare you guys. Andrei will most likely butt in Saji and Louise' reunion/talk and be a complete dickhead. It's not a spoiler, but it's a possibility. So, just preparing you guys for his royal douchiness next ep.

Of course I hope it doesn't happen, and that Ma- I mean Soma, would be kicking his father killer ass.

but doesn't he want her to stop being a soldier? If he hears saji say that he's not with CB and wants her to stop fighting then why would he object?

[Wesley]

but doesn't he want her to stop being a soldier? If he hears saji say that he's not with CB and wants her to stop fighting then why would he object?

If Saji said that, he'd be a liar.

[son_michael]

If Saji said that, he'd be a liar.

says someone that doesn't watch the episodes



Saji said this ep he was just helping to destroy the mass weapon of destruction,he's not apart of Celestial being

[Wesley]

says someone that doesn't watch the episodes



Saji said this ep he was just helping to destroy the mass weapon of destruction,he's not apart of Celestial being

He helps them to perform maintenance on their ship and mecha. He's a f-ing member whether he wants to admit it or not.

[Rob`]

whether he likes it or not saji has become a part of celestial being

[Darth]

dude nadleeh got destroyed least season

did it? :oh


then what was the thing that came out of Seravee that pwned the innovator?


i thought it was the return of nadleeh or something..

[Nomeru]

did it? :oh


then what was the thing that came out of Seravee that pwned the innovator?


i thought it was the return of nadleeh or something..

It's not nadleeh, I dont know what it's function is, but it's comething else, but it's the same sort of thing I guess.


Am I the only one who started to laugh near the end when they started naming off people ect, then they named Veda abd Gundam? I just busted out laughing, it was kinda silly.. I can understand some of them, it reminded them of people, they want to protect people, but then going and saying "Veda" and "Gundam"... I just couldnt help getting a laugh from that.

[Rob`]

i was in hysterics it was so bad

[Rukia]

I can't believe this show is still devoting screen time to Kataron, Marina, and their babysitting service.

Code Geass received a lot of shit for rushing the plot along so much towards the end, and rightfully so. I think Gundam 00 must have the opposite problem. Otherwise, I don't think there is any way that the crappy Marina with brats segments would keep airing every episode.

One glaring failure with the series for me is that the show was unable to make me feel sympathetic towards a single character. Seriously, I could care less who lives or dies at this point. Soma/Marie dying would probably disappoint me the most...but I would barely blink if it happened.

[The Big G]

I thought the episode was allright. It was interesting to see that 4 months have gone by since the last episode. Lyle and Anew seems very forced. Feel kinda bad for Allelujah, but thats what you get for dating a split personality super solider but then again we yet to see Hallelujah wake up and put Soma in her place. Plus i wonder if Marina will actually die, she's more useless than Releena was in Wing

[Rukia]

Heh, at least they had a 4 month time skip.

I don't have that much of a problem with it. Even in a war time situation...romantic attractions are going to develop. I think it's more weird for a bunch of men and women to be thrown together with no results. Every battle could be the last for each person on that ship...more of them should be trying to hook up.

[Wesley]

I can't believe this show is still devoting screen time to Kataron, Marina, and their babysitting service.

Code Geass received a lot of shit for rushing the plot along so much towards the end, and rightfully so. I think Gundam 00 must have the opposite problem. Otherwise, I don't think there is any way that the crappy Marina with brats segments would keep airing every episode.

Brats are hard to do. They're notorious for being more of a nusiance than a tear jerky, far more often than not.

I can remember the little girl that gave Kira a paper flower and thanked him for protecting them. That's a good example of actually appealing to not only a character but the audience. It wasn't obnoxious, it seemed small, yet sincere, and eventually she just gets blown away, absolutely ratcheting up the guilt Kira felt. Good use of a little brat character.

On the other hand, Lacus singing to a bunch of brats during a meteor shower, that felt forced and awkward to me. It's probably the same with Marina with brats.

Another example is Eureka from Eureka 7 and her brats. She's an interesting case in that not only was she their mother figure and that she actually took care of them, but Eureka herself at times was comforted by them, which is believe it or not something kids do for their parents. It works both ways.

Then there's Masane and Rihoko from the series Witchblade. They have an excellent mother/daughter dynamic in which Rihoko is the dependable, intelligent one, while Masane strives as a simplistic, borderline childish, yet endearing and determined maternal figure that just so happens to kick alot of ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6XzbgZzxiA&feature=related

So I guess my point is what needs to be done is make sure that the brats aren't treated as accessories. If they're supposed to appeal to a character, only do so briefly and do not make them the center of a character's universe, unless you actually bother to create a good, dynamic relationship between the two.

One glaring failure with the series for me is that the show was unable to make me feel sympathetic towards a single character. Seriously, I could care less who lives or dies at this point. Soma/Marie dying would probably disappoint me the most...but I would barely blink if it happened.

Bullshit has a way of destroying sympathy you may feel for a character. I liked Allejuah early on, especially after his rescue of the mall segment, however once Hallejuah started showing up, and Allejuah started tormenting himself, and we got some backstory on his character, it really derailed him for me. Same can be said for Celestial Being characters as a whole, where I don't agree with their mission, a convincing case is never made for it besides their individual sob stories, which are mostly their own damn fault combined with Celestial Being's bullshit organizational structure that uses individuals rather inspires them...

[-Ender-]

If Marina gets killed, Setsuna's gonna go apeshit on the A-Laws :pek :pek She better not die....I only want one person to die atm: Andrei...:pek :pek

[Masurao]

Lyle/Anew doesn't stand a ghost of a chance of working out. That relationship has tragic endng written all over it.

Yeah...since they most likely won't kill off a Lockon twice, it'll probably be Anew that bites it.

[Blaze of Glory]

He helps them to perform maintenance on their ship and mecha. He's a f-ing member whether he wants to admit it or not.

Quit getting angry because your favorite character turned out to be grab some balls he's a part time member. Last I checked he didn't take part in hard-core combat other than to serve as a tester for the 0-Riser destroy the 2nd Memento Mori and get back Louise.

Also to the people who say that Marina serves no purpose take a look at Macross Frontier series and the character Sheryl Nome and Ranka Lee and you,ll get good idea of what her role is. Yes, I hate her too because she doesn't have too much of action type of role she serve as Setsuna's conscious.

[Kira Yamato]

w/ Ribbons god complex it was only a matter of time before their was descent among the ranks.

And Anew being an innovator was a given a while back. And it looks like even Lyle knows it at this point.

I wonder what's slowing down Setsuna's degeneration of his shoulder? :S

And while I don't have any real feelings for or against Andrei I sure wish he didn't hide being the military protocol excuse, because that's being extremely hypocritical. You just killed your own father for the very same defense you're giving :facepalm

[MasterKakuzu]

I didn't mind them naming people off. It was just funny since it was a bit gay that Tieria said "veda". That made me laugh. Also I loved how Healing and Revive mocked Andrei for killing his father for a promotion. I want to see more how the archer performs though.

[Wesley]

Quit getting angry because your favorite character turned out to be grab some balls he's a part time member. Last I checked he didn't take part in hard-core combat other than to serve as a tester for the 0-Riser destroy the 2nd Memento Mori and get back Louise.

"Grab some balls"? How is being duped and guilt tripped into working for a terrorist group grabbing balls? Sitting in his cell and starving to death would have taken guts. Putting his college education, that he probably won't have to pay off now (thank you, A-Laws), to use for them, simply because he' too stupid to understand that nice and good are two different things doesn't speak well of his character. He lacks a strong, developed moral outlook, he has no idea how politics works, nor does he appreciate things like "guilty by asociation" and being an accomplice to international terrorism.

Saji might be a basically a good guy, but he's far too ignorant and naive, something the people in Celestial Being have no problem with exploiting for their own personal, organizational, and public relations (the audience) benefit.

Also to the people who say that Marina serves no purpose take a look at Macross Frontier series and the character Sheryl Nome and Ranka Lee and you,ll get good idea of what her role is. Yes, I hate her too because she doesn't have too much of action type of role she serve as Setsuna's conscious.

I think Gundam has enough Marina-types to point to that we don't have to drag in Macross garbage for an analogy.

[Nomeru]

Marina needs to die.

[Kira Yamato]

I didn't mind them naming people off. It was just funny since it was a bit gay that Tieria said "veda". That made me laugh. Also I loved how Healing and Revive mocked Andrei for killing his father for a promotion. I want to see more how the archer performs though.

The part where Setsuna said Gundam was spot on funny as well, even if it was predictable :awesome

I also enjoyed seeing Mei's reaction when Ribbons told her she can never become an innovator. It must hurt worse than that bitch slap earlier in the season :LOS

[Nomeru]

The part where Setsuna said Gundam was spot on funny as well, even if it was predictable :awesome

I also enjoyed seeing Mei's reaction when Ribbons told her she can never become an innovator. It must hurt worse than that bitch slap earlier in the season :LOS

XD just like I said earlier.. glad it wasnt just me that thought it was funny.

[-Ender-]

I hope Anew doesn't die but I hope they figure out she's an innovator...kinda like Battlestar Gallactica XD where the cyclones r given false memories and think they're human XD XD

[MasterKakuzu]

Setsuna saying gundam is obvious but the fact Tieria said that...

Mei has been owned at least twice this season.

I wonder if Ali gets a new arche gundam or an upgraded one. Would be awesome if he did.

Also, If setsuna was able to create a fucking 10 mile long beam saber why didn't he do it before to take down MM1.

I want Cherudim to get a Orbital Sniper rifle!

[Wesley]

Mei has been owned at least twice this season.

Added together with everything else she's accomplished since the series started, that would make...two accomplishments. :zaru

[MasterKakuzu]

I hope she dies in an ironic way like her bodyguard aka her bro kills her.

[Wesley]

I hope she dies in an ironic way like her bodyguard aka her bro kills her.

Or an allergic reaction to a cosmetic. :nod

[Blaze of Glory]

"Grab some balls"? How is being duped and guilt tripped into working for a terrorist group grabbing balls? Sitting in his cell and starving to death would have taken guts. Putting his college education, that he probably won't have to pay off now (thank you, A-Laws), to use for them, simply because he' too stupid to understand that nice and good are two different things doesn't speak well of his character. He lacks a strong, developed moral outlook, he has no idea how politics works, nor does he appreciate things like "guilty by asociation" and being an accomplice to international terrorism.

He was going to be killed in the begininng of season two had it not been for Celestial Being and he was parading around the Ptolemy saying "I'm a civillian! I'm a civillian! I'm not involved in war! I'm different!" Puh-lease he became a Chess piece as soon as he decided to run away from the whole combat area. He was bound to become apart of the war regardless of what he did. He was fufilling his dream of working in space and just happened to be associated with someone who was apart of the anti-goverment group Katharon so shit you couldn't consider him innocent from the get-go. Specially, if one of his buddies/co-workers similar to the people who you consider bastards,terrorists.



Saji might be a basically a good guy, but he's far too ignorant and naive, something the people in Celestial Being have no problem with exploiting for their own personal, organizational, and public relations (the audience) benefit.


A couple months ago you were saying how great it was for him to be ignorant I.E. not take part in combat or assist Celestial Being who were at this point trying to rid the world of corrupt A-Laws who were fucking the world harder and faster than Team Trinity did when they appeared. Also how is CB exploiting people's ignorance? They told him he could come along with them since he jinxed an entire military base by abandoning them and leading the A-laws right back to their hideout so they could be massacred.

Shit, had they not he would,ve been found out to be a spineless lil bitch and lynched by Kataron. :zaru That, and they'd be able to assist him in reuniting with Louise. Not that his pitiful life had any meaning since 1. his sister was killed in trying to discover the meaning behind Celestial 2. His girlfriend is being mind raped by the Innovators. Don't get me wrong I don't like his Saji for shit but he does fill in quite a bit with CB being that he's those type of "Twilight" characters who balance the mood in a group similar to Rock from Black Lagoon watching how CB conduct themselves.


I think Gundam has enough Marina-types to point to that we don't have to drag in Macross garbage for an analogy.

Ummmm, buddy it's not just Gundam a lot of anime series have had a lot of Marina-type of characters nowadays they,ve become popular. So if you,ve got a problem with that I suggest you not watch for a while or carefully go over your favorite shows.

[Wesley]

He was going to be killed in the begininng of season two had it not been for Celestial Being and he was parading around the Ptolemy saying "I'm a civillian! I'm a civillian! I'm not involved in war! I'm different!" Puh-lease he became a Chess piece as soon as he decided to run away from the whole combat area. He was bound to become apart of the war regardless of what he did. He was fufilling his dream of working in space and just happened to be associated with someone who was apart of the anti-goverment group Katharon so shit you couldn't consider him innocent from the get-go. Specially, if one of his buddies/co-workers similar to the people who you consider bastards,terrorists.

Saji is a victim of circumstance, this is true. However that does not mean he has to willingly cooperate with a terrorist group. Gratitude does not obligate you to help a group of murderers.

At any rate, you seem to agree that he is a member of Celestial Being, do you not?

A couple months ago you were saying how great it was for him to be ignorant I.E. not take part in combat or assist Celestial Being who were at this point trying to rid the world of corrupt A-Laws who were fucking the world harder and faster than Team Trinity did when they appeared. Also how is CB exploiting people's ignorance? They told him he could come along with them since he jinxed an entire military base by abandoning them and leading the A-laws right back to their hideout so they could be massacred.

Being ignorant is fine. Having a small, harmless dream is fine. Even not giving a shit about what third worlders do to eachother is fine. Saji's just too pitiful to be able to stand up to his captors. Too pitiful and alone, like he's been his entire life it would seem.

As for Kataron, that wasn't his fault. It was Celestial Being's for dumping him on them litearlly without a word and it was Kataron's fault for picking a senseless fight in the first place. Saji wanted to go home. He wanted to put what happened to him behind him. That some dipshits from one group or another won't let him do that is not his fault.

And Celestial Being has exploited Saji's ignorance. If he had a brain, he would be dangerous, but since he doesn't, they can make him into a gopher for them, doing menial labor, backed up with the implied threat of letting him starve if he didn't.

Shit, had they not he would,ve been found out to be a spineless lil bitch and lynched by Kataron. :zaru That, and they'd be able to assist him in reuniting with Louise. Not that his pitiful life had any meaning since 1. his sister was killed in trying to discover the meaning behind Celestial 2. His girlfriend is being mind raped by the Innovators. Don't get me wrong I don't like his Saji for shit but he does fill in quite a bit with CB being that he's those type of "Twilight" characters who balance the mood in a group similar to Rock from Black Lagoon watching how CB conduct themselves.

Saji has been on the road to ruin ever since he abandoned Lousie and had the nerve to still consider her his girlfriend after the fact. Should have just forgotten about her, but no...

Ummmm, buddy it's not just Gundam a lot of anime series have had a lot of Marina-type of characters nowadays they,ve become popular. So if you,ve got a problem with that I suggest you not watch for a while or carefully go over your favorite shows.

Nevermind. I actually made comparisons of my own to Marina using characters from other series, so the point is moot.

[MasterKakuzu]

Saji is a good boy. I still think that he is innocent in my point of view. Dragged into a conflict he wasn't part of. Worked with Ian to earn his living amongst celestial being. He should be with CB or else A-laws would go after him after he was associated with a cat-a-ron member. With the way Gundam 00 each person on the planet is most likely going to be part of the conflict due to the innovators manipulating A-laws.

Yes if Saji was smart enough he could easily sabotage celestial being, yet he doesn't since his only way of seeing Louise is through them now.

I respect Saji since he is still dedicated to see Louise, even if she wants to kill him. Also because he helps CB even after his sister Kinue died due to her research of them.

[Wesley]

Saji is a good boy. I still think that he is innocent in my point of view. Dragged into a conflict he wasn't part of. Worked with Ian to earn his living amongst celestial being. He should be with CB or else A-laws would go after him after he was associated with a cat-a-ron member. With the way Gundam 00 each person on the planet is most likely going to be part of the conflict due to the innovators manipulating A-laws.

Earn nothing. POWs aren't a labor pool for an enemy faction. If they want to force him to work, they should make it obvious that he's doing it because they're forcing and threatening him. It's not even like they need his help.

And I still say if everyone would just give up and stop fighting the A-Laws, things would be fine. At this point, they're fighting because they simply don't like eachother. Revenge or whatever.

Yes if Saji was smart enough he could easily sabotage celestial being, yet he doesn't since his only way of seeing Louise is through them now.

He doesn't have to sabotage them. All he has to do is raise enough hell and complaints until they either let him go or shoot him. Meanwhile he sits in his cell, waiting for someone to win, while maintaining his neutrality.

I respect Saji since he is still dedicated to see Louise, even if she wants to kill him. Also because he helps CB even after his sister Kinue died due to her research of them.

I have no respect for Saji in regards to Louise. He screwed up. Bottom of the 9th, bases are loaded, scores tied up, and he wift it. How dare he hold no regrets and childishly hold on to the idea of being with her?

[Red Zaku]

Earn nothing. POWs aren't a labor pool for an enemy faction.

Since when? That's been common place for decades, it's happened in pretty much every war ever fought in history.

If they want to force him to work, they should make it obvious that he's doing it because they're forcing and threatening him.

Except they're not forcing Saji to work. In fact he's doing it because he wants to and because he believes it's the right thing to do because he's SEEN first hand the other side of the coin, and he's able to recognize the A-Law's are no better then the Thrones who killed Louise's family.

It's not even like they need his help.

Wow, you said something I'd agree with. Saji isn't completely necessary but it certainly helps as it free's up Ian to do things on board Ptolemy II.

And I still say if everyone would just give up and stop fighting the A-Laws, things would be fine.

The A-Law's are controlled by the Innovators who seem to now seek the destruction of the human race as we know it so they can rebuild the world from scratch in their image.... So if they do nothing they in affect make it easier for Ribbons to carry out his plans of mass genocide... Though no one in the middle east was doing anything and they were still getting abused by the A-Law's to the point that Kataron had to be formed to deal with the insane level of oppression.

At this point, they're fighting because they simply don't like eachother. Revenge or whatever.

At this point? At this point they made it clear Ribbon's plans involve genocide, and the A-Law's were raping and pilledging the middle east for the lolz before even that. While it's true they fight because they don't like each other but then again, fighting because you don't like someone is the fundamental and driving principal of war. Every army in history has fought because they hated the other army, the motivation is the underlying reasons for that hate which the A-Law's have provided in bunches.

He doesn't have to sabotage them. All he has to do is raise enough hell and complaints until they either let him go or shoot him.

Of course he realized pretty quickly that Celestial Being aren't the bad guys in this whole affair. Likely because they saved him from the A-Law's who falsely accused, arrested, sentenced, and tried to kill him on charges that were completely false.

Meanwhile he sits in his cell, waiting for someone to win, while maintaining his neutrality.

Of course he wants to accomplish a goal of saving Louise from the path she's chosen, which can't happen if he simply stays neutral.


[qoute]I have no respect for Saji in regards to Louise.[/quote]

You have no respect for anyone why would this be any different?

He screwed up. Bottom of the 9th, bases are loaded, scores tied up, and he wift it.

Well see, that's the great thing of baseball, it doesn't end until someone takes a lead which means Saji get's as many at-bats as he needs til he can knock one metaphoically out of the park. Next time choose a game that would actually end in that situation, and not a game that would keep going no matter what he did.

How dare he hold no regrets and childishly hold on to the idea of being with her?

How dare he hold no regretts? Ok, are you sure you only stopped watching the show at nearly the midway point of season 2? Because he's been regretting leaving Louise in that hospital since the episode he did it in.

[Wesley]

Since when? That's been common place for decades, it's happened in pretty much every war ever fought in history.

It's a commonly held, long standing, and frequently broken rule of war. Your point?

Except they're not forcing Saji to work. In fact he's doing it because he wants to and because he believes it's the right thing to do because he's SEEN first hand the other side of the coin, and he's able to recognize the A-Law's are no better then the Thrones who killed Louise's family.

Unfortunately Saji was helping them long before the brainwashing was complete.

Wow, you said something I'd agree with. Saji isn't completely necessary but it certainly helps as it free's up Ian to do things on board Ptolemy II.

Great, does this mean you're going to try be civil from now on?

The A-Law's are controlled by the Innovators who seem to now seek the destruction of the human race as we know it so they can rebuild the world from scratch in their image.... So if they do nothing they in affect make it easier for Ribbons to carry out his plans of mass genocide... Though no one in the middle east was doing anything and they were still getting abused by the A-Law's to the point that Kataron had to be formed to deal with the insane level of oppression.

That the Innovators have become or have always been laughably and convinently bad antagonists doesn't matter to me. Before they were shown to be having ideas of just killing everybody, the A-Laws were fighting anti-government forces and subjagating nations that were resisting Federation Rule, which hadn't been defined up until the point I was watching. It's a very real possibility that the Middle East was simply being very stupid the way they were handling their affairs and negotiating with foreign powers for assistance.

Suffice to say, if the Middle East refuses to go along with the program for whatever stupid bull headed reason they care to cling to, it's within the rest of the planet's rights to force them to submit. At least in a world where things like law and human dignity don't exist.

At this point? At this point they made it clear Ribbon's plans involve genocide, and the A-Law's were raping and pilledging the middle east for the lolz before even that. While it's true they fight because they don't like each other but then again, fighting because you don't like someone is the fundamental and driving principal of war. Every army in history has fought because they hated the other army, the motivation is the underlying reasons for that hate which the A-Law's have provided in bunches.

Not really. Wars don't usually start because someone hates someone else. Sometimes it's for glory, for resources, for religious conversion. Hate's a big part of war, but hating someone is not a natural thing that occurs simply because someone else exists and is within reach.

Feelings alone do not shape the world in which we live, sorry to say.

Of course he realized pretty quickly that Celestial Being aren't the bad guys in this whole affair. Likely because they saved him from the A-Law's who falsely accused, arrested, sentenced, and tried to kill him on charges that were completely false.

He opened his damned mouth. And saving him doesn't mean they're good or right in what they do. It simply means they saved him.

Of course he wants to accomplish a goal of saving Louise from the path she's chosen, which can't happen if he simply stays neutral.

How convinent for him.

You have no respect for anyone why would this be any different?

You have no respect in general, so why should I bother talking to you?

Well see, that's the great thing of baseball, it doesn't end until someone takes a lead which means Saji get's as many at-bats as he needs til he can knock one metaphoically out of the park. Next time choose a game that would actually end in that situation, and not a game that would keep going no matter what he did.

Fine. His team was down by one point. You happy now?

How dare he hold no regretts? Ok, are you sure you only stopped watching the show at nearly the midway point of season 2? Because he's been regretting leaving Louise in that hospital since the episode he did it in.

No, he remembers it and uses it for a motivation for whatever bullshit he's up to at any given moment. He doesn't recognize the error of leaving her there to wallow in her own despair. And if he has come to understand his error, it happened after I quit watching.

[Red Zaku]

It's a commonly held, long standing, and frequently broken rule of war. Your point?

You were the one who claimed it didn't happen.


Unfortunately Saji was helping them long before the brainwashing was complete.

What brainwashing? Learning the truth that it wasn't part of the plan to harm Louises family or any Civilians? Learnign the turht is was a group acting on their own that killed them? Learning the truth about what the A-Laws were doing to innocent people?

Great, does this mean you're going to try be civil from now on?

Aren't you just being bitter? I've been more then patient with your replies. You're still wrong, and they're still horribly founded but I've been more then patient with them.


That the Innovators have become or have always been laughably and convinently bad antagonists doesn't matter to me.

What does? Nothing about the show actually seems to factor into any of your arguments and that's the point. None of your points are ever valid because none of them actually reflect or take into account ANYTHING that happens in the show. In fact you make it a point to ignore things in the shows when making your arguments it's become routine for you.

Suffice to say, if the Middle East refuses to go along with the program for whatever stupid bull headed reason they care to cling to,

Except they want to go along with the program. The developed nations are just screwing them over for years of Oil Embargo's and the regions basic century long domination of the world because of it's Oil exports. It's nothing but a giant cock fight.

Not really. Wars don't usually start because someone hates someone else.

See any of the following wars.

WWI, WWII, Russo-Japanese War, Rome vs Huns, Huns vs China....Hell, it might just be easier to list the wars people started because they didn't have some inante hatred for the people they decided to fight.....


Sometimes it's for glory, for resources, for religious conversion.

Aren't those just the subtext's and pretenses used to justify the reason they hate those people enough to go to war? In the case of Glory it's because you see the enemy often as sub-human or lesser then you in which case you probably hate them, in the cause of resources it's a jealous hatred that they have more then your country, and in the case of religion, well just see the current state of affairs in the middle east to see that there is plenty of hatred in wars fought over religion.

Feelings alone do not shape the world in which we live, sorry to say.

I lol at this one. I really do.



He opened his damned mouth. And saving him doesn't mean they're good or right in what they do. It simply means they saved him.

Opressing him, arresting him, and then excecuting him on false charges means the guys they're fighting are definately wrong in what they do. Even if you want to argue both sides are evil and there is no good it's certianly the lesser of two evils Saji has chosen to follow.


How convinent for him.

Really anyone who plays baseball.

You have no respect in general, so why should I bother talking to you?

Well not for posts that ignore the show and just make up facts to conviently suite the agenda and view you want to push no. Who would?

Fine. His team was down by one point. You happy now?

No, because even that it's not Saji's fault as two other people had to have failed way before him.

No, he remembers it and uses it for a motivation for whatever bullshit he's up to at any given moment.

He's using his sorrow as motivation. Not only is that not necessarily a bad thing it's basically your own admission you're wrong. You were smart not to label what "it" is but the fact of the matter is it in this context is sorrow and regrett which he has in spades.

He doesn't recognize the error of leaving her there to wallow in her own despair.

Of course that's directly contradicted by only one episode later in season 1. And again in the ending of season 1. And numerous times in the course of season 2.

[Tendou Souji]

lol @ "They're not omnipotent"

This episode was okay, I know we can't have back to back BEEM SABORU DATTO!?!!?!!! but it would've been amazing.

Andrei is making his move on Louise after killing his father lol.

Apparently Lockon and Anew are a couple, not to mention she's the tracking device on the ship. Lockon has great taste.

Saji seems to have basically become a pilot for the 0-Raiser now, so he's basically full-fledged CB.

Oh yeah, Marie is being a bitch. "I AM SOMA, NOT MARIE" :argh

She's fucking up that pretty badly.

I can say we have the best cliffhanger of all season with this ep. Marina might get shot? THANK GOD! 00 could use getting rid of that Relena wannabe. Seriously, she is useless and has prevented Setsuna from finishing this damn "war".

Ep gets an 8.5/10, mainly cause of the cliffhanger.

[Goodfellow]

Hey Wesley, I'm curious. Which was the latest episode you watched?

[Goodfellow]

Ten, where Ali fought with them. Episode...19? From last season, where Soma and Sergei kicked the Trinities asses was the last episode I watched before my colon imploded.

In that case:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7112/1208885592676rv4.gif

I think we all can agree on it, can't we:lmao?

[Wesley]

In that case:

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7112/1208885592676rv4.gif

I think we all can agree on it, can't we:lmao?

Um, no, we can't. :fu

Trolls try to piss people off. I don't care about pissing anyone off. I'm something else entirely.

[Rob`]

no this is the amazing thing which i find hard to comprehend

you actually think you're right

it's incredible that anyone could be so narrow minded and dense but i think you've actually pulled it of

[milhaus007]

18 episodes into the 2nd season. Ribbons is still an epic failure. He has yet to do anything without the help of Veda. BORING.

[Rukia]

Lockon has great taste.Anew is probably the best prospect on that ship. (Soma/Marie is taken.) What is Lockon supposed to do? Hook up with Christina's lousy replacement? (Such a lame character I don't even know her name.) Lockon chose the hottest available single chick. He actually does have good taste. :sun

[Rob`]

what about feldt ITT TBH

[Blaze of Glory]

doesn't the "relationship" between Soma/marie (whatever the fuck her name is today) and Allelujah seem like a gay guy desperately trying to cover up his homosexuality by trying to get with a girl whom he doesn't know is a lesbian?

this has to be one of the most forced and nauseating pairings in a gundam series ever.

I gotta say you n' Wesley are gay if you don't think that Allelujah is making the wrong decision by trying to make Marie scream in bed like she does in the battlefield.

Also it's a damn shame Wesley can't put pictures in his siggy since that's definitely one image I always wanna see when I come on these boards. :zaru

[Rob`]

:rotfl

Yeah, it's definiently one of the main reasons why I stopped watching. Between Kathy being a friend with Sumeragi and the death of Graham Aker, there was just no way I could keep watching anymore. There wasn't anyone left to root for!

graham is alive...

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Though his body is alive, his character is forever dead.

http://www.stanislaussheriff.org/pub_info/archive/2002/n091102/images/21_gun_salute.jpg

[Ha-ri]

doesn't the "relationship" between Soma/marie (whatever the fuck her name is today) and Allelujah seem like a gay guy desperately trying to cover up his homosexuality by trying to get with a girl whom he doesn't know is a lesbian?

this has to be one of the most forced and nauseating pairings in a gundam series ever.

Have you seen Seed or Destiny? :sun

[Biolink]

Though his body is alive, his character is forever dead.

http://www.stanislaussheriff.org/pub_info/archive/2002/n091102/images/21_gun_salute.jpg

It's THE SAME EXACT DUDE..

He's a little less personal as far as seeing his face, goes, but the character hasn't changed. Hell he has authority to do what he wants this season.

If you believe the entire spill about "Honorable Flag Fighters, I pity you. Far too drunk to explain nowm but if I don't Zaku or Newtype take the floor plz.

[Rukia]

Graham is the worst masked antagonist we have ever seen in a gundam series. Primarily due to his insignificance. He's just a pilot. That's it. He's a rival to Setsuna the same way Ali is. The difference is that they don't really have a history. I would suggest that the Setsuna/Ali rivalry is bigger (at least Setsuna knows Ali's name).

I have spent this entire season hoping that Graham's interest in fighting Setsuna would turn into a secondary interest...that he would find a way to destroy the Innovators and take over as the primary antagonist. It hasn't happened. Graham had potential during the first couple of episodes of season 1...but that potential has been almost completely squandered at this point.

[Darth]

it's not too late for graham to redeem himself..

[reaperunique]

Graham is the worst masked antagonist we have ever seen in a gundam series. Primarily due to his insignificance. He's just a pilot. That's it. He's a rival to Setsuna the same way Ali is. The difference is that they don't really have a history. I would suggest that the Setsuna/Ali rivalry is bigger (at least Setsuna knows Ali's name).

I have spent this entire season hoping that Graham's interest in fighting Setsuna would turn into a secondary interest...that he would find a way to destroy the Innovators and take over as the primary antagonist. It hasn't happened. Graham had potential during the first couple of episodes of season 1...but that potential has been almost completely squandered at this point.

agreed, graham is just useless, he is just in the way and in the end CB will eventually succeed or fail, fail because of people like Louise who are too caught up with there emotions to realize that joining A-LAWS was the badest thing to do besides loving some lose named Saji. Although that last one is gradually improving,for now.

[Blaze of Glory]

Graham is the worst masked antagonist we have ever seen in a gundam series. Primarily due to his insignificance. He's just a pilot. That's it. He's a rival to Setsuna the same way Ali is. The difference is that they don't really have a history. I would suggest that the Setsuna/Ali rivalry is bigger (at least Setsuna knows Ali's name).


:rofl :rofl

I'm sorry it seems like to me you were trying to convince yourself rather than convince us. Setsuna has to defeat him so he too can understand the importance of protecting the world.

[-Ender-]

I find Graham annoying =/ I really see no pt. to his character other than being a rival for Setsuna, even then, after 1 match, Setsuna is better than him and he has to struggle to catch up...he should die imo =/ not that i disklike him or nething but hes almost a filler character =/

[Graham Aker]

Setsuna is better than him
Computer says no. *coughspit*

Setsuna has yet to best him. Merely surviving against Mister does not make Setsuna better than him, injury or no. It shows incredible skill and willpower on Setsuna's part but he didn't beat him, so it means nothing as far as who's better goes.


And Graham is the best Char clone as far as being a bitter rival who's goal in life is nothing but to destroy his most hated enemy.

[Zetamancer]

Did anyone else laugh uncontrollably at the end of the episode?

Saji: Louise...
Louise: Saji...
Lieutenant Smirnov: Mother...
Soma Peries: Colonel...
Allelujah: Mary...
Lyle: Anew...
Tieria: Veda...
Setsuna: Gundam!!

Way to ruin an attempted heartfelt moment. Most characters think of their loved ones, then Setsuna shouts out "Gundam!"

I know I laughed uncontrollably, can't say I didn't expect it though. Whenever Setsuna has a thinking scene he thinks about gundams.

[Kasuke Sadiki]

Did anyone else laugh uncontrollably at the end of the episode?

Saji: Louise...
Louise: Saji...
Lieutenant Smirnov: Mother...
Soma Peries: Colonel...
Allelujah: Mary...
Lyle: Anew...
Tieria: Veda...
Setsuna: Gundam!!

Way to ruin an attempted heartfelt moment. Most characters think of their loved ones, then Setsuna shouts out "Gundam!"

I know I laughed uncontrollable, can't say I didn't expect it though. Whenever Setsuna has a thinking scene he thinks about gundams.

That was extremely funny. I was already laughing by the time Andrei said mother and started cracking up at "Veda". Needless to say I was floored at "Gundam!" lmao

[reaperunique]

says a lot about there personality, doesn't it XD

[ChocolateBar999]

Computer says no. *coughspit*

Setsuna has yet to best him. Merely surviving against Mister does not make Setsuna better than him, injury or no. It shows incredible skill and willpower on Setsuna's part but he didn't beat him, so it means nothing as far as who's better goes.


And Graham is the best Char clone as far as being a bitter rival who's goal in life is nothing but to destroy his most hated enemy.
I'll quote you by saying
Computer says no. *coughspit*
Graham is far from being the best but he's surely not the worst Char clone, that award belongs to Chronicle, and yes all of their battles has ended with Graham frring due to his ego or reinforcements arrivals so neither of them has display their bests efforts.

[LeafWolfie]

Graham is an otaku *Nod* Cause he wears masks and thinks he's a bushi. He has got to snap out of it.

And I wonder who got owned at the end...

[Oujisama]

Anyone else notice Obama is the president of the Federation?