Andrei is a dick

[DeathGuise_of_Oblivion]

Seriously! Who is this little asshole mutherfucker? Coming out of no where, I thought he would've been a good addition, kinda like a new Sergei but with some young zeal and a fresh, untouched by someone like Pieres. Kinda like a young Sergei like we saw in the flashback.

Instead we get this dumb little prick who couldn't even shoot Allelujah from ten feet away with a pistol and whose downed, what? Two suits the entire series? Louise has more than that. Retarded moron then started an attack on the leaders in a Coup de Tate. Understandable there. But then to go into a butt hurt rage over your mothers death after you yourself said that he did the right thing (which he did since he ended up saving a Solar Tower[I fail on this one. I know its something else, but when my mind says Solar, the next word is Furnace] and everyone around it).

I mean, Louise we can expect to have trauma. Not only the emotional shit she went through in S1, but the OBVIOUS mental manipulation the Magnificent Bastard Ribbons Almark did to her. So she gets off right now, since she hasn't killed an amazing character who didn't deserve to die against a fucking pussy.


And all we do is complain and bitch about Saji, who by the way did quite well for his second day as 0-Raiser's pilot. He's had some turn arounds, made some realistic changes, had to deal with some tough emotional shit. But now he even has a full fledged CB Pilot suit, which some might mistake as his suit he had on in ep1, ep2 in S2. Next comes the CB in white and grey no less (I'm thinking a bit lighter tones than Ian's suit).

To repeat: All we do is bitch and complain about two emotionally scared individuals, one who is on who knows what with her "arm", and someone whose had a drastic change from pizza-boy/student to pilot of the equipment needed to regulate the most powerful Mobile Suit in existence.


Lets focus this hate on someone who deserves it. Lions: I give you Andrei Smirnov. Have at it!

[Saiko]

I hope a Haro piloting a Tieren will kill that little Bastard Andrei.

[Rurushu]

Andrei has been marked,the death of Sergei is going to motivate Louis to start fighting again,and when Louis & Andrei meet again he is going to get rhaped...hard.

[qks]

i want soma/marie to rape n rape hard

[kulgan18]

Andrei has been marked,the death of Sergei is going to motivate Louis to start fighting again,and when Louis & Andrei meet again he is going to get rhaped...hard.

Dont you mean marie?.
Louis didnt knew sergei(that i remember at least :oh).

Besides louis is already motivated by her hatred of CB.

[Teleq]

Yes, he's a dick. Smirnov wasn't even part of the rebels.

[Hibari Kyoya]

:lmao i cant believe he actually killed his own father, A laws are cunts go Marie!! :yell

[寫輪眼]

A-LOLS are all big penis'. Especially that fat blonde one, he's a nob.

Also the innovator MS' are SO ugly. I hate 'em >_<

[Atsuro]

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp34/IntoxicatingMiasma/NerdRageColored.jpg

[Graham Aker]

When he started attacking Sergei, I was thinking in my head like, "oh, he'll stop any moment now" and then.... stab. So I was like :uwah and then after the ending and seeing him really die, I was like :wth and made a threatening gesture to the computer screen.

That little patricidal slutbitch. I hope Soma really curbstomps him.

[Atsuro]

I was like :uwah and made a threatening gesture to the computer screen.

Gentlemen, I give you the internet.

[faults]

Gentlemen, I give you the internet.

HAHAHA

oh man wow

[Muk]

where's bruce ironstaunch when you need him :gar

[PirateAnju]

OMG OMG ANDREI SHOULD BLOODY WELL DIE! SERIOUSLY!! ARGHHHH, HE'S SOO IGNORANT OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AND ASSUMED THAT HIS FATHER WAS A MEAN STUPID SOLIDIER!:cry HIS FATHER IS AN AMAZING SOLDIER WITH A GOOD RESOLVE UNLIKE ANDREI!

jesus, andrei should have seriously just died...he is the most pathetic character ever. well we know that marie turned back into soma the next episode. she'll definately kill that stupid andrei!

[Goodfellow]

I'm happy that we finally got a character that we can all hate together:nod

[Wesley]

I'm happy that we finally got a character that we can all hate together:nod

Could have happened sooner if all of you had just agreed with me. :pek

[Rukia]

Does anyone hate him as much as Ogi and Rossiu?

[Wesley]

I dislike him as much as I disliked the Thrones and for the same reason; the writers didn't give a crap about the character they created and only used it for the benefit of the "Protagonists". Give them and the audience someone to hate on and fight against.

Characters like Andrei make me :facepalm, as they prove how big a group of bastards that writers can be.

[Rukia]

Well, onlya plot device can save Andrei from dying in the next episode. This episode seems to suggest that Soma wants payback. She's a better soldier than Andrei and she has a superior mobile suit. Even if Louise were to help Andrei...she should be able to take them out. Her superiority has been established during the first 43 episodes.

Forgetful writers or a plot device are the only thing that can save Andrei now. :pek

[Wesley]

It'll probably be one of those things where Gollum shows up, pleads with Soma not to do it, she relents, Andrei attacks, Gollum jumps in the way, and they both die. Hopefully. If Andrei drags Gollum down to hell with him, I couldn't think of a better ending for his character.

[kulgan18]

Andrei has been established as a dick since day one, always with this animosity towards sergei.
Even him joining A-laws came from a "am rebellious teen and i hate my parents" complex.

Cant be too bright if he doesnt start questioning A-laws after last episode.

Being stupid+emotional issues+A-laws=Recipe for disaster.

[Wesley]

It's not really surprising. A recently created (no history of distinquished service to draw on) military unit with no standards of conduct and military discipline and given an unprecedented mandate and latitude in how they manage any situation they come upon, they're going to start acting hog wild. If I had to compare, I would compare what he did to what Setsuna did when he flew out after the Thrones.

Only Setsuna had even less to go on than Andrei did, who apparently thought that Sergei had turned traitor (I've recieved conflicting reports in regards to this).

[Biolink]

What do you mean by Setsuna had less than what Andrei did, when he went out and attacked the Thrones?

The main team were cautious, but actually sat around and let the Throne team keep doing their interventions. Eventually culminating into Nena shooting the Halvey party.

How is that less to go on, when they were actually waiting around to see if they would be trustworthy allies or not?

Compared to Andrei who ran out and assumed that Sergei was apart of the Coup, when he was just there to help?

You got your facts mixed up.

How is actually spending weeks or whatever it was, waiting to see if the Thrones were good or bad, and then when finally deciding they were bad, putting an end to them, jumping to a conclusion compared to Andrei who more or less was actually probably waiting years for an opportunity to make his father feel the pain of him losing his mother.

Explain that one to me. I'm sure it will be pretty far out logic mixed in with personal bias to even try to make sense of it.

[Wesley]

What do you mean by Setsuna had less than what Andrei did, when he went out and attacked the Thrones?

The main team were cautious, but actually sat around and let the Throne team keep doing their interventions. Eventually culminating into Nena shooting the Halvey party.

How is that less to go on, when they were actually waiting around to see if they would be trustworthy allies or not?

They sat around wondering what the hell the Plan was and why the wedding was attacked. Answering whether the attack was justified or not was never put up for discussion. All Setsuna felt was outrage and childish anger towards the Thrones, most likely because Nena had the gaul to plant one on his stoic Gundamy self.

They didn't like the Trinty. It's in my estimation that had more to do with Setsuna's decision to attack them than anything else, as nothing else had been established or any other avenues explored. "I don't like them. I have a Gundam. I'm therefore justified in killing them!" That's how that scene can be broken down, unless you want to assume that Setsuna actually gives a shit about people's lives, which is a baseless assumption to make since he doesn't lead a life worth living himself and didn't mind killing and destroying the lives others.

Compared to Andrei who ran out and assumed that Sergei was apart of the Coup, when he was just there to help?

You got your facts mixed up.

I haven't it watched it myself, but the assumption that Sergei was part of a coup and that the Thrones were not following "The Plan" are the same sort of baseless excuses one makes when one has an axe to grind.

[QUOTE]How is actually spending weeks or whatever it was, waiting to see if the Thrones were good or bad, and then when finally deciding they were bad, putting an end to them, jumping to a conclusion compared to Andrei who more or less was actually probably waiting years for an opportunity to make his father feel the pain of him losing his mother.

Explain that one to me. I'm sure it will be pretty far out logic mixed in with personal bias to even try to make sense of it.

They never discussed amongst themselves what the Thrones were up to, they never made appeals to higher authorities, they had no evidence that the Thrones were doing anything that was not part of the Plan. They had been following the Plan mindlessly for close to a year up to that point and did many terrible things themselves, unquestioningly.

Why is what the Thrones were doing worse than what they had been doing? That the Thrones were blatant assholes rather than repressed ones makes all the difference?

No, Setsuna acted out on emotion. He had no just cause. He had no thought of what he was doing. He simply didn't like them and looked for an excuse to lash out at them. That's all he did. All the lives he destroyed, including his own. They didn't matter to him, so why should the lives the Thrones destroy matter to him all of a sudden?

Andrei killed Sergei for a personal greviance and won't be held accountable for it. Same with Setsuna, except the deal with him was a sense of being replaced by people he didn't like, which offended his ego.

[Darth]

I hope he dies a very painful death..

lets have hallelujah kill him.. yeah, that'd be good.. make sure to rip out his eyes and feed him his own testicles, etc...

The bastard...

[Red Zaku]

They sat around wondering what the hell the Plan was and why the wedding was attacked.

They didn't even know the wedding was attacked. In fact they only seem to know about the attacks on bases, and what crosses the line is the attack ont he Union Factory with Civilian Workers.


Answering whether the attack was justified or not was never put up for discussion.

Largely because they never knew about it. They never talked about it and they seemed to have no inkling that it happened.

All Setsuna felt was outrage and childish anger towards the Thrones, most likely because Nena had the gaul to plant one on his stoic Gundamy self.

Yes, despite his motivations being because he felt their actions did nothing but fuel and promote war by antagonizing the world and killing innocent people. Obviously his sole reason for attacking the Thrones was cause Nena kissed him. Do you ever stop and re-read just how absurd you are? Honestly?

They didn't like the Trinty. It's in my estimation that had more to do with Setsuna's decision to attack them than anything else, as nothing else had been established or any other avenues explored.

NONE of the Meisters liked the actions of the Trinities, hell Setsuna and Tieria both agreed the Thrones were going against the plan established by Veda.

"I don't like them. I have a Gundam. I'm therefore justified in killing them!"

Now you're just completely over simplifying a complex conclusion that was reached with the same logic you're prefessing it was.

That's how that scene can be broken down

Perhaps if we completely ignore any and all story development to that scene...

I haven't it watched it myself,

Then why are you commenting? Oh, yes, for the sake of trolling. Right.

but the assumption that Sergei was part of a coup and that the Thrones were not following "The Plan" are the same sort of baseless excuses one makes when one has an axe to grind.

.....Baseless? The conclusion the Thrones weren't following the Plan was baseless? Despite them not being in the Plan, the Plan never involving attacks on military bases that weren't fighting, and the plan never including Civilians.... That's a baseless case for the Thrones not being part of Veda's Plans? That's a joke right?

They never discussed amongst themselves what the Thrones were up to,

That's a blantant lie. x.x Episodes 16,17, and 18 all have Celestial Being paying attention to the actions of the Thrones. In fact Lockon and Setsuna in 17 are talking and Lockon mentions Sumeragi having suspended operation of the original Gundam's so they could better monitor the Thrones...

they never made appeals to higher authorities,

There are none. The Watcher council has no real authority as their orders and will can be automatically overturned by Veda, Veda itself has no record or knowledge of the Thrones etc...

Andrei killed Sergei for a personal greviance and won't be held accountable for it. Same with Setsuna, except the deal with him was a sense of being replaced by people he didn't like, which offended his ego.


x.x Except to reach your conclusion about Setsuna we need to ignore the events of three full episodes...

[Masurao]

*Sigh* I'll be glad when 00 is over honestly, so I won't have to see this back and forth arguing. It's stupid. but w/e I personally like this series...though not as much as the UC era.

Animesuki is more pleasant place to discuss anything Gundam 00 it seems.

[Wesley]

*Sigh* I'll be glad when 00 is over honestly, so I won't have to see this back and forth arguing. It's stupid. but w/e I personally like this series.

Animesuki is more pleasant place to discuss anything Gundam 00 it seems.

Not really. Those guys hated me so much one of them even followed me here. You apparently can't call into question Celestial Being's actions and work to destroy the defacto protagonist aura constructed around them by the writers.

[MasterKakuzu]

Was good until I saw the prick shoot down his dad.

[Red Zaku]

Not really. Those guys hated me so much one of them even followed me here. You apparently can't call into question Celestial Being's actions and work to destroy the defacto protagonist aura constructed around them by the writers.


>.> No, people with arguments that don't ignore 3 episodes of the series can call it into question all they want. But when your criticisms and theories require us to forget 3 complete episodes of development, or in other cases with your posts an entire first half of a series then your criticisms aren't actually valid.

[Rob`]

when you guys go on about "gollum" who do you mean?

is this a fan given name like shirosaki because i can't find any mention of gollum in the characters list on wiki

[Darth]

when you guys go on about "gollum" who do you mean?

is this a fan given name like shirosaki because i can't find any mention of gollum in the characters list on wiki

Originally known as Sméagol, this character was later named Gollum after his habit of making "a horrible swallowing noise in his throat". His life was extended far beyond its natural limits by the effects of possessing the One Ring. His one desire was to possess the Ring that had enslaved him. He pursued the Ring for 76 years after having lost it to Bilbo Baggins.

During his centuries under the Ring's influence, he developed a sort of split personality, likely as a response to his dire solitude: "Sméagol" still vaguely remembered things like friendship and love, while "Gollum" was a slave to the ring and would kill anyone who tried to take it. In The Two Towers, Samwise Gamgee named the good personality "Slinker" (for his fawning, eager-to-please demeanour), and the bad personality "Stinker" (for obvious reasons). The two personalities often quarrelled when Gollum talked to himself (as Tolkien puts it in The Hobbit, "through never having anyone else to speak to") and had a love/hate relationship, mirroring Gollum's feelings for the Ring and for himself

:awesome

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[Rob`]

yes that's extremely helpful, you're an angel in disguise...

now onto this gollum in gundam00 you lot keep going on about...:P...unless if it's a name for hallelujah

[Wesley]

when you guys go on about "gollum" who do you mean?

is this a fan given name like shirosaki because i can't find any mention of gollum in the characters list on wiki

It's a name I gave Allejuah since he used to do the same thing, arguing with and tormenting himself. It'd be a mistake to say he has multiple personalities, since having two personalities requires two distinct sets of memories. The fact that Gollum can talk to and is aware of what one does would mean he's more delusional than anything.

There is only Allejuah. Hallejuah is something he came up with to avoid taking responsibility for his actions. Rather than having a set of morals or beliefs and the application of logic and knowledge, he plays sadomasochistic games with his emotions to determine what feels right while using an imaginary friend as a sounding board for his complaints.

He's a coward and a pissy little bitch. Just like Gollum.

[Darth]

actually, Smeagol's the coward.. Gollum's the coldhearted murderer...

[Rob`]

Ok thanks for clearing that up. I think the most likely cause for the Allelujah and Hallelujah knowing about each other is that the writers didn't know or care that personalities can't share memories. Got nothing to do with Allelujah being a pussy.

[Wesley]

actually, Smeagol's the coward.. Gollum's the coldhearted murderer...

No, the point is there's only Smeagol. Gollum is a creation of his to cope with feelings of guilt, loneliness, and hatred. They aren't two seperate beings. Only one that likes to play games of submission and dominance with himself whenever he has a moral conflict over something he's done or is about to do.

Utterly wretched.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CRMW5u_UDg

[-Ender-]

I can't wait till he finds out the truth :LOS He's gonna get raped hard mentally and its gonna be awesome :LOS :drools Fucken prick :pek

[Wesley]

What truth?

[Triste Morningstar]

I hate his guts for killing my Sergei, but that is the nature of war. There's something admirable about being willing to treat your family the same way you would another person's family when it comes to your ideals.

Of course, on the other hand, Andrei's ideals are basically that he should uphold the fucking horrible corrupt evil shithead organization that is A-Laws and the Federation in general. So yeah, you know. He's a big hemorrhaging cunt.

[-Ender-]

The true that he went there on a secret mission from the A-Laws themselves and wasn't on the enemies side but his side......emo punk reminds me of Saucegay :pek :pek....he'll prolly end up like him too...:pek :pek

[Wesley]

The true that he went there on a secret mission from the A-Laws themselves and wasn't on the enemies side but his side......emo punk reminds me of Saucegay :pek :pek....he'll prolly end up like him too...:pek :pek

Secret mission? Ha, more than likely Ribbons manipulated the whole situation just so that Andrei would kill Sergei. Afterall, he has Veda and Veda can predict anything, except the whims of the writers. :lmao

[Rob`]

yeh but andrei won't know whether he was manipulated or not

[Wesley]

yeh but andrei won't know whether he was manipulated or not

Why should he care? All it'd really show is how stupid he is.

[-Ender-]

Whether it was setup or not, the truth remains: Andrei killed his dad in cold blood, no ifs/ands/or buts bout it and i'm gonna laugh my ass off when he learns that...

[Wesley]

Whether it was setup or not, the truth remains: Andrei killed his dad in cold blood, no ifs/ands/or buts bout it and i'm gonna laugh my ass off when he learns that...

It wasn't cold blood if he thought he was a traitor.

Now, let me see if I've got this straight. First this Hercule character is leading the coup de'tat correct? And Sergei was sent to negotiate with him, probably because Sergei was someone he could trust yes? So Hercule is lured out, the Elevator is dropped at the same time, forcing everyone's forces out into the open, leaving them vunerable and exposed.

What a great plan that would be if that's how it really went.

[Blaze of Glory]

Does anyone hate him as much as Ogi and Rossiu?

I hate him as much as I hated Suzaku in Code Geass :hmpf

[-Ender-]

It wasn't cold blood if he thought he was a traitor.

Now, let me see if I've got this straight. First this Hercule character is leading the coup de'tat correct? And Sergei was sent to negotiate with him, probably because Sergei was someone he could trust yes? So Hercule is lured out, the Elevator is dropped at the same time, forcing everyone's forces out into the open, leaving them vunerable and exposed.

What a great plan that would be if that's how it really went.

The traitor thing was the last straw (and viable excuse for his conscious) but wasn't he also "avenging" his mother?? Revenge is always cold blood imo

[Red Zaku]

Secret mission? Ha, more than likely Ribbons manipulated the whole situation just so that Andrei would kill Sergei.[quote]

Actually no. It was the head of the A-Law's who manipulated things so Sergei would recieve secret orders to negoiate with Hank Hercules. Apparently A-Law's leadership figured that the Great Bear of Russia could be just as much of a threat as Hercules so best to set the situation up to kill both of them in one fell stroke. Also, the intended means of his death was likely to be Momento Mori. Andrei killing him was just a happy accident.

[quote]Afterall, he has Veda and Veda can predict anything, except the whims of the writers. :lmao

Veda predicts a crap ton of out-comes to plans entered into it. It's only infailable in the sense that it postulates so many answers that one of them has to be right.

[Wesley]

Actually no. It was the head of the A-Law's who manipulated things so Sergei would recieve secret orders to negoiate with Hank Hercules. Apparently A-Law's leadership figured that the Great Bear of Russia could be just as much of a threat as Hercules so best to set the situation up to kill both of them in one fell stroke. Also, the intended means of his death was likely to be Momento Mori. Andrei killing him was just a happy accident.

Nifty. Ribbons probably ordered him to do it regardless.

Veda predicts a crap ton of out-comes to plans entered into it. It's only infailable in the sense that it postulates so many answers that one of them has to be right.

Actually what it really represents is the inherent limitations of humanity's ability to be original and unpredictable (we're not really good at either of them). Also it shows that even with the ability to completely clear the Fog of War, to achieve any desired outcome, wielding that power has to be governed by a set of principals that have to be abided by. Otherwise it's a pointless, self-gratifying game (personally I like the game Starcraft, as a question of scale doesn't really change the nature of war now does it?).

[Red Zaku]

Nifty. Ribbons probably ordered him to do it regardless.

Nothing indicates Ribbons had anything to do with it. Hell, Ribbon's doesn't even seem to know a thing about Sergei let alone have a reason to set him up to be killed. The commander of the A-Law's however does, and obviously did.



Actually what it really represents is the inherent limitations of humanity's ability to be original and unpredictable (we're not really good at either of them).

>.> That's not even true. Just based ont he law of averages the more conclusions you make based of a single event the easier it is to be right. Veda can make an infinite number of posulates for each situation it authorizes and thus determine the best potential course of action. In that sense it's very much like a much larger version of Wing Zero's combat system.


Also it shows that even with the ability to completely clear the Fog of War, to achieve any desired outcome, wielding that power has to be governed by a set of principals that have to be abided by.

Actually, Veda governs itself. It's a self regulating system and no authority in CB is actually higher then Veda, it's another thing they make a point of illustrating int he Allejandro Watchers in flashback episode. They make sure to mention repeatedly that Veda is the supreme driving force and that no one can overturn it's decisions.

[Wesley]

>.> That's not even true. Just based ont he law of averages the more conclusions you make based of a single event the easier it is to be right. Veda can make an infinite number of posulates for each situation it authorizes and thus determine the best potential course of action. In that sense it's very much like a much larger version of Wing Zero's combat system.

Veda sounds really stupid and wasteful. Even more so than humans, which are at least forced to be practical.

Actually, Veda governs itself. It's a self regulating system and no authority in CB is actually higher then Veda, it's another thing they make a point of illustrating int he Allejandro Watchers in flashback episode. They make sure to mention repeatedly that Veda is the supreme driving force and that no one can overturn it's decisions.

Veda is not intelligent. It's a computer that has variables introduced to it, speculates based around what it knows in regards to the creation of those variables to fill in the gaps of information delievered to it. After which it can speculate about those variables, and continue to do so until it melts down.

If it didn't have a real time feed of information to it on a regular basis, it'd probably be close to useless after even a small amount of time had passed.

[Red Zaku]

Veda sounds really stupid and wasteful. Even more so than humans, which are at least forced to be practical.

How it is wasteful? It's just data. Data has no price tag when it's nothing but random posulates. Not to mention it's impossible to waste a computers time, and then there's also the fact that knowing every potential outcome and having a plan for every event is incredibly useful.


Veda is not intelligent. It's a computer that has variables introduced to it, speculates based around what it knows in regards to the creation of those variables to fill in the gaps of information delievered to it.

Artificial intelligence (AI) is the intelligence of machines and the branch of computer science which aims to create it. Major AI textbooks define the field as "the study and design of intelligent agents,"[1] where an intelligent agent is a system that perceives its environment and takes actions which maximize its chances of success.[2] John McCarthy, who coined the term in 1956,[3] defines it as "the science and engineering of making intelligent machines."[4]

>.> By the very definition of the field of AI Veda would be considered intelligent. It would actually fit into the Logic Pattern AI category.

Logical AI
Unlike Newell and Simon, John McCarthy felt that machines did not need to simulate human thought, but should instead try to find the essence of abstract reasoning and problem solving, regardless of whether people used the same algorithms.[96] His laboratory at Stanford (SAIL) focused on using formal logic to solve a wide variety of problems, including knowledge representation, planning and learning.[97] Logic was also focus of the work at the University of Edinburgh and elsewhere in Europe which led to the development of the programming language Prolog and the science of logic programming.[98]

After which it can speculate about those variables, and continue to do so until it melts down.

It only needs to speculate until the mission plan is carried out. Whereby which is takes the result and then uses the plan it came up with based on the result to take the next logical step. That's REASONING which is intelligent. Nevermind by your own statement Veda fits into the category of AI, and definately can be considered a Logical AI.

If it didn't have a real time feed of information to it on a regular basis, it'd probably be close to useless after even a small amount of time had passed.

>.> That's pretty much the case with humans. If we don't have real time sensory input we'd be pretty much useless as well. And that's not even just the case for humans but all mammals.

[Wesley]

How it is wasteful? It's just data. Data has no price tag when it's nothing but random posulates. Not to mention it's impossible to waste a computers time, and then there's also the fact that knowing every potential outcome and having a plan for every event is incredibly useful.

Yes, and pointless. That's no way to govern your life, which is one of the reasons why I hate Celestial Being.

>.> By the very definition of the field of AI Veda would be considered intelligent. It would actually fit into the Logic Pattern AI category.

Logical AI
Unlike Newell and Simon, John McCarthy felt that machines did not need to simulate human thought, but should instead try to find the essence of abstract reasoning and problem solving, regardless of whether people used the same algorithms.[96] His laboratory at Stanford (SAIL) focused on using formal logic to solve a wide variety of problems, including knowledge representation, planning and learning.[97] Logic was also focus of the work at the University of Edinburgh and elsewhere in Europe which led to the development of the programming language Prolog and the science of logic programming.[98]

Well, then, what exactly is the definition for intelligents? Regardless, VEDA is, I understand, unable to make decisions. That's what I've read in one interview or another.

It only needs to speculate until the mission plan is carried out. Whereby which is takes the result and then uses the plan it came up with based on the result to take the next logical step. That's REASONING which is intelligent. Nevermind by your own statement Veda fits into the category of AI, and definately can be considered a Logical AI.

There's probably a reason why the word artificial is attached, rather than simply intelligence.

>.> That's pretty much the case with humans. If we don't have real time sensory input we'd be pretty much useless as well. And that's not even just the case for humans but all mammals.

Not necessarily. Humans left in isolation tend to become introspective and actually can generate something new, if not entirely original, from memory. All VEDA can do is take known variables as they exist within known patterns. It'll never go mad simply by being left alone.

If you create VEDA without any data, it's just a paper weight. If you put a human in an isolated enviroment, what comes naturally will be expressed.

[Red Zaku]

Yes, and pointless. That's no way to govern your life, which is one of the reasons why I hate Celestial Being.

Of course they're using it to formulate battle strategies to lead to a desired outcome not to govern there lives. You're once again making a giant stretch of the given information to make a wild claim that isn't supported in the show itself. I question if this is your idea of trolling or if you're being completely serious, either way it's just making the debate more depressing.


Well, then, what exactly is the definition for intelligents? Regardless, VEDA is, I understand, unable to make decisions. That's what I've read in one interview or another.

I posted the definition of Aritificial Inteligence along with the specific category that describes Veda which makes it a Logic AI... Why do, I have to explain something I already explained above? All you had to do was read.


There's probably a reason why the word artificial is attached, rather than simply intelligence.

...............Main article: Artificial intelligence
Artificial intelligence (or AI) is both the intelligence of machines and the branch of computer science which aims to create it, through "the study and design of intelligent agents"[26] or "rational agents", where an intelligent agent is a system that perceives its environment and takes actions which maximize its chances of success.[27] General intelligence or strong AI has not yet been achieved and is a long-term goal of AI research.

Among the traits that researchers hope machines will exhibit are reasoning, knowledge, planning, learning, communication, perception and the ability to move and manipulate objects.[27][26]

....It's called aritifical because it only encompasses one facet of what is deemed to be human level intelligence. So far no machine is able to think and deal with the world and it's surroundings on the same level of humans becuase it lacks the capability to rationalize and feel certain things.


Not necessarily. Humans left in isolation tend to become introspective and actually can generate something new, if not entirely original, from memory.

Except there is no such thing as total isolation. Because there is still direct sensory input that feeds information to us in real time. If not about the larger world then about our immediate surroundings. The only way to truly be without instant feedback would be to remove our abilities of sight, smell, touch, and taste.

If you create VEDA without any data, it's just a paper weight. If you put a human in an isolated enviroment, what comes naturally will be expressed.

.....Except that's not actually the same thing. Because you're talking about cutting Veda off from it's senses, which is why it wouldn't function. In the case of a human you'd have to remove a person's ability to touch, taste, smell, speak, hear, walk, everything has to go all our senses and then you'd have a viable comparison to the situation you proposed Veda would be useless in. Under the same kind of conditions a human is going to be just as useless.

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There is far too much discussion, anything having to do with Andrei does not deserve this much.

Seriously, he has the mentality of a junior high student or something.