Gundam 00 S2 episode 17 "In Midst of Scattered Light"(散りゆく光の) live/Raw/sub discussion

[Blaze of Glory]

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No Recap this time :(

[Nayrael]

Why...Blaze of Glory...why...why don't you upload parody pics again? Why did you turn me (and maybe some others) into addict with ep 15 preview T_T
Why do you hate me so much?

Of course, if you are still sick then I forgive you and won't send my mafia after you.

[Graham Aker]

No Recap this time :(
Then, allow me...

Episode 17: Inside the Scattered Light
With Ptolemaios’ repairs still not completed, Celestial Being is unable to break the deadlock in their disadvantageous situation. In the middle of things, although Setsuna is injured, he rises to the occasion and sorties in the 00. That Setsuna offers encouragement to Saji.


Can't wait to see Soma's return to the battlefields, and seeing the sexy sex fap fap sex GN Archer in battle. :druul

[Blaze of Glory]

HOWEVER, everyone since I have not done recap this time I'll be sure to make a Episode review thread for this episode. :kthumb

[Aeon]

I wonder how Setsuna will be able to fight with his injury. :hmm

[SilentBobX]

I wonder how Setsuna will be able to fight with his injury. :hmm

Nurse Feldt will make Eeeeeverything better. :druul

[SilentBobX]

*Walks into to the All That Cast backstage*

Five minutes people!

Five Minutes.

*Walks out*

Five minutes

[Aeon]

Lol, it's nurse Anew, not Feldt. :lmao

[SilentBobX]

Lol, it's nurse Anew, not Feldt. :lmao

DAMMIT! I wanted her in a short skirted pink nurse's outfit! :mad ... and Nurse's hat.

[Aeon]

I wonder what Ribbons is doing near a glacier or perhaps the South Pole?

[SilentBobX]

Ya better not Puss out Saji!

[SilentBobX]

Huh... Freshserver aint working!? What the Hell!!!?

[Aeon]

Holy crap.

[Aeon]

Damn, it still hit...

[SilentBobX]

Holy crap.

I musta missed a good part. What happened before the CM break?

[Moon Light]

Dam!! A-Laws!! :mad Poor people... :cry

[Aeon]

All the destruction that will rain down...

[SilentBobX]

Hell Yeah! Stop that Debrie!

[Aeon]

All of them working together, wow...

[SilentBobX]

ANDRE!! WHAT THE HELL, MAN!!!

[Blaze of Glory]

Yo Aeon what are you using to watch G00? KHTV is bitching out on me and Freshverse are acting like a bunch of asshoels

[Aeon]

What the hell?!?!?!?!?!

[Graham Aker]

Most hated character in G00 award goes to Andrei Smirnov. Congratulations for being a fucking bastard.

[Graham Aker]

FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK KKK!!!!

FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!! FUCK!!

:cry

[Aeon]

Yo Aeon what are you using to watch G00? KHTV is bitching out on me and Freshverse are acting like a bunch of asshoels

I'm on Freshverse.

[Blaze of Glory]

What the fuck did he do?

[Aeon]

Andrei will pay for what he did. :mad

[Graham Aker]

What the fuck did he do?
He killed Sergei

[Blaze of Glory]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!

[SilentBobX]

What the fuck did he do?

He killed his own father. Bastard...

[Blaze of Glory]

He killed Sergei

:uwah

What for?

Goddamn patricide :angry

[Aeon]

Damn it, why did it have to end that way? :cry

[Blaze of Glory]

GODAAAAAAAAAAMIT!!!

[Graham Aker]

:wtf

What for?

Goddamn patricide :angry
Revenge for his mother.

Damn, first he kills Hercule then his dad. What a bastard.

[Blaze of Glory]

Someone mind summarizing the whole episode for me since my whole internet went bitchy on me?

[Aeon]

I'm too distraught by the events...

[Blaze of Glory]

Awwww c'mon people please tell me! :uwah

THIS IS BULLSHIT

FUCKING COMPUTER!

[Moon Light]

Sergei... :arg
Momento Mori shot off and destroyed a piece of the orbital elevator in space then pieces of the coverings all the way from the control tower to about 200 feet off the ground fell towards the earth, Celestial Being started shooting at the pieces falling then the ESF mobile suits joined then katharon joined then A-Law mobile suits from Kati's squad assisted during the amazing scene Andre was going to attack sergei but louise told him not too (i think?) Later after all the destruction he just goes berserk an pulls out a beam saber and starts attacking him... then peirces the cock pit of Sergeis tieren with the beam saber... watching him die Marie (pieris?) Yells COLONEL!!...

[Graham Aker]

Setsuna and Saji sortie and gattai in the atmosphere.
Divine in the Empress attacks but gets ownd by 00 Raiser's burst mode, which also destroys the Memento Mori, only it wasn't enough to stop it from firing. It's first and final shot hit the elevator. Lots of people who are riding the rail died.
Debris falls to the Earth and a nearby city is placed in jeopardy.
The 3 Meisters who had prior engaged the Feddie forces gathered at the base of the Elevator, went to stop the debris and protect the city. Marie joins and so do the Feds, after receiving a message from Sumeragi, informing them about it.
Not soon after, Kati sends her forces to help in the destruction of the debris. Andrei makes a motion to attack Hercule's suit, but is stopped by Louise telling him probably, that they have to do this saving the city bit, first. 00 Raiser comes last.

After that, Sergei and a depressed Hercule, talk. Out of nowhere, a beam hits Hercule's GNXIII in the cockpit, instantly killing him. The shot came from Andrei. He then attacks Sergei's Tierien. After finding out that they were facing each other, Andrei starts to bitch and moan at Sergei for letting his mummy die. Soma flies towards Sergei to help him, but is intercepted by Louise, who in turn, got intercepted by Setsuna.

Anyway, Andrei stabs Sergei, cue music. Sergei's Tierien falls. Inside the cockpit, his helmet's broken since everything inside is blowing up. He's also pretty bloody. And then, boom. Tierien explodes, Sergei dies. Soma screams "TAISAAAA!".

Prev.
00bama makes a speech. Most likely about the disaster with the Elevator.
Soma has a very Soma-ish look on her face.
Can't recall the rest. I was too teary eyed to even see the preview clearly.

[SilentBobX]

R.I.P. Sergei. You were a damn fine soldier. I can't believe Aundrei would kill his own dad. I don't care what happened with his mother, Sergei felt bad that she died too. I hope Mari shoots his ass.

[blah604]

Great ep Images and summary of episode 17 (http://blah604.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/gundam-00-season-episode-17/)

[Aeon]

So, do we all agree Andrei has to die?

[Moon Light]

I agree, He told Louise not to have a need for revenge on the Gundams. But he has a bigger need for revenge against his own Father...

[Graham Aker]

His death would not satisfy me. :noworry

Soma must raepstomp him, and raepstomp him hard.

[Aeon]

Very well then, Marie(Soma) has to rough him up like there's no tomorrow. :mad

[Blaze of Glory]

Alright, now I'm REAAAAAAAAALY angry

[Moon Light]

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[Graham Aker]

To talk something other than Andrei's being a father killing faggot...

The CB + Feddies scene was awesome. Everyone just working together to do one thing, save lives. That scene was very moving imo.

I'm liking the Cherudim even more. Those Shield Bits are fucking AWESOME!

And Trans-Am 00 Raiser went Epyon on the Memento Mori. If not for Divine, I think it could have cleaved MM in half.

This was a really brilliant episode. Brilliant, and depressing at the same time.

Oh and next ep. is a timeskip, 4 months later.

[Saiko]

Trans-Am Raiser destroying your Memento Moris :hurr



This Episode was just win.

I cant describe this level of awesomeness..



This Episode was a 10/10 and I hope they will have 8 more episodes of that level of win !

Salute to Sergei !

[qks]

lost for words atm

[ChocolateBar999]

Quite a cheap move by the writers for Anew X Lyle haters by making a timeskip that takes four months after, so something had to of happened between that time to make it seem believable. Guess their an item by next week.

[Sander RX]

And Trans-Am 00 Raiser went Epyon on the Memento Mori.
Nah,Epyon was in ep.12.THIS IS IDEON SWORD LEVEL!

Ep was awesome to the extreme,with everything(counting 00's Ideon Sword).

And yes,that patricidal faggot must die horribly!

[Wesley]

Ah, I see. Sounds like Andrei took the oppurtunity to kill a hated enemy. No problem there.

[Zoidberg]

Setsuna and Saji sortie and gattai in the atmosphere.
Divine in the Empress attacks but gets ownd by 00 Raiser's burst mode, which also destroys the Memento Mori, only it wasn't enough to stop it from firing. It's first and final shot hit the elevator. Lots of people who are riding the rail died.
Debris falls to the Earth and a nearby city is placed in jeopardy.
The 3 Meisters who had prior engaged the Feddie forces gathered at the base of the Elevator, went to stop the debris and protect the city. Marie joins and so do the Feds, after receiving a message from Sumeragi, informing them about it.
Not soon after, Kati sends her forces to help in the destruction of the debris. Andrei makes a motion to attack Hercule's suit, but is stopped by Louise telling him probably, that they have to do this saving the city bit, first. 00 Raiser comes last.

After that, Sergei and a depressed Hercule, talk. Out of nowhere, a beam hits Hercule's GNXIII in the cockpit, instantly killing him. The shot came from Andrei. He then attacks Sergei's Tierien. After finding out that they were facing each other, Andrei starts to bitch and moan at Sergei for letting his mummy die. Soma flies towards Sergei to help him, but is intercepted by Louise, who in turn, got intercepted by Setsuna.

Anyway, Andrei stabs Sergei, cue music. Sergei's Tierien falls. Inside the cockpit, his helmet's broken since everything inside is blowing up. He's also pretty bloody. And then, boom. Tierien explodes, Sergei dies. Soma screams "TAISAAAA!".

Prev.
00bama makes a speech. Most likely about the disaster with the Elevator.
Soma has a very Soma-ish look on her face.
Can't recall the rest. I was too teary eyed to even see the preview clearly.

:cry:cry:cry Sergei...Hercule...:(

[Lord Darkwolf]

Ah, I see. Sounds like Andrei took the oppurtunity to kill a hated enemy. No problem there.




cept you know he didn't .... he instead murdered a hostage negotiator .

[Graham Aker]

Quite a cheap move by the writers for Anew X Lyle haters by making a timeskip that takes four months after, so something had to of happened between that time to make it seem believable. Guess their an item by next week.
Ehh, they probably just want to go into detail with those 2 since well, we all know they're going to end up anyway. Not to mention, there aren't enough episodes to have Lockon try to err, run through the bases. :sweatdrop

Right, but more importantly, the TSKP is for Setsuna to heal himself. And then some, like Kati defecting along with Patrick. New units for the A-LAWS and Innovators. More Feddies defecting to Katharon and them hopefully getting GN powered MS' to really be able to help CB instead of being mere target practice for the A-LAWS.

[Masurao]

I lol'ed at how quick Divine was killed.

[Graham Aker]

He forgot to bring his plot shield.
At least he got a good one at 00 Raiser. Ah who am I kidding, he failed and died and nobody really cared. Be interesting though if Hilling became bitter at CB for this. Since the object of her female fapping got offed.

And for the Marina fans, seems like your hime-sama has given up on uh, whatever it was that she was supposed to be or doing, and became a full time nanny. Baking them children some pie and such. One hopes that there'll be shota hentai of this new development. :LOS
I'm counting on you Japan! :wink

[Wesley]

cept you know he didn't .... he instead murdered a hostage negotiator .

So Sergei wasn't leading a coup against the world government?

[Lord Darkwolf]

So Sergei wasn't leading a coup against the world government?

No.... he was sent by the government to talk down the leader of the coup and negotiate the release of the coup's hostages at the request of Commander Kim now General of the A-laws . Then the place got blasted and he went outside to try and save as many lives as he could . Then after all debris shooting was done Andrei came up and stabbed him .

[Wesley]

No.... he was sent by the government to talk down the leader of the coup and negotiate the release of the coup's hostages at the request of Commander Kim now General of the A-laws . Then the place got blasted and he went outside to try and save as many lives as he could . Then after all debris shooting was done Andrei came up and stabbed him .

...That's just stupid. Who's writing this shit?

"I'll just go insane now and murder a superior officer within another branch of the military"? Forget Soma. Andrei should be court martialed and hanged.

[IchiTenshou]

hey guys i have a question
in the the NEW OP..there is a red mobile armor right?
any idea who will pilot that? Louise right?

[Graham Aker]

hey guys i have a question
in the the NEW OP..there is a red mobile armor right?
any idea who will pilot that? Louise right?
Yes, it's called the Empruss and Louise will pilot it as per Ribbons orders.

[IchiTenshou]

Oh i see thanks ^^ and

AoShen is fast ^^

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[Muk]

...That's just stupid. Who's writing this shit?

"I'll just go insane now and murder a superior officer within another branch of the military"? Forget Soma. Andrei should be court martialed and hanged.
wesley are you doing the 'reading spoilers only' thing again?

ohh well this episode sounds like it is delivering some awesome action

and talk about andrei being such a big douche bag

[Wesley]

wesley are you doing the 'reading spoilers only' thing again?

ohh well this episode sounds like it is delivering some awesome action

and talk about andrei being such a big douche bag

I stopped watching at episode ten. I haven't seen any incentive to resume watching i.e. flayed celestial being members on a spit. Although a dead Sergei is good news to me. He deserved it for letting "Marie" run off with a terrorist.

I just wish Andrei's character had recieved better treatment, since until now he's been do nothing.

[RAGING BONER]

...That's just stupid. Who's writing this shit?

"I'll just go insane now and murder a superior officer within another branch of the military"? Forget Soma. Andrei should be court martialed and hanged.

he was mad cuz his mommy died.

he seems to forget his mother was a soldier doing her duty...this little bitch had no business being a soldier in the first place.

no wonder Sergei wanted some genetic freakshow for a substitute daughter.

[Wesley]

Oh, so Sergei was screwing around with a junior officier. I bet they didn't even get married. Sergei's an asshole.

[RAGING BONER]

Oh, so Sergei was screwing around with a junior officier. I bet they didn't even get married. Sergei's an asshole.

well, we don't know the HRL's policy on "inter-officer" copulation, nor do we know if she was a junior officer seeing as they (she, serg and herc) were all seemingly at a military academy together.


Andrei's just being whiny and hormonal...i'm suprised Veda didn't pick him to be a meister.

[Wesley]

Who the hell is Hercule?

And another group of people from an academy? Can't people just stop living in the past and kill the enemies of today with smile on their face?

[RAGING BONER]

Who the hell is Hercule?

And another group of people from an academy? Can't people just stop living in the past and kill the enemies of today with smile on their face?

Hank Hercules:beardthing is the leader of the coup who wanted to get the word out to the people of earth about A-laws murder frenzy...he happens to be an old friend of Sergei and Andrei's mom.

as for the second question...no, no they can't...it wouldn't be a gundam if they werent all stuck in their pasts fighting for some idealistic future.

Ofcourse it so happens that A-holes is doing it even worse than anyone before them thanks to the "Bio-terminals" who are in charge now.



~~~~~

i guess we know how the innovators plan to move humanity into deep space...by making earth uninhabitable :zaru how clever.

[Wesley]

Hey, if everyone would just surrender and get in line with the A-Laws, everything would be fine. You've got jerk-offs like Kataron fighting for the lulz and playing the victim and douchebags in the Middle East that expect something for nothing.

Besides being hardline against militant opposition, I don't see a problem with the A-Laws.

[RAGING BONER]

Hey, if everyone would just surrender and get in line with the A-Laws, everything would be fine. You've got jerk-offs like Kataron fighting for the lulz and playing the victim and douchebags in the Middle East that expect something for nothing.

Besides being hardline against militant opposition, I don't see a problem with the A-Laws.

i actually agree that its a sound plan that the innovators have for taking humanity to the "next step"...the whole massacre thing is a bit much though, not to mention the giant space laser(s) pointed at earth would make anyone wary.


i mean, instead of killing everyone who DOESN'T agree with the world federation why not just simply ignore them and leave them in their 3rd world cesspool countries like Azadistan and Krugis?...its not like those countries would be anything but a drain to the resources of the Federation at large anyway.

once humanity colonizes deep space the middle eastern nations will be nothing but a bad memory.

A-Laws is really just destroying itself with its actions, Kataron was never a threat and Celestial being would have died out on its own if A-laws wouldn't have been so tyrranical.

[son_michael]

Wow what an episode.....A laws is digging there own grave



omg poor sergei and Hercules:cry

[Wesley]

Naturally some people would dislike the creation of a world government overnight all because a handful of militant a-f-s decided to run around fighting in conflicts they had no interests or stakes in, however I really dislike the impression that Kataron are somehow innocent little angels fighting against the bad guys who are only exist to fight people that fight in the first place.

I mean, I only watched ten episodes, but in those ten episodes, they didn't highlight any particular official political policy that the Federation abided by that justified the creation of Kataron. Certainly the A-Laws rules of engagement and military operations in general might be something that needs to be reformed (they're a new military organization created due to a percieved and pressing need), but they alone don't justify Katarons existence. Or Celestial Being's for that matter.

Why does Kataron exist? What is so wrong with the Federation that Shirin, a supposedly intelligent person, would refuse to join them, even at the expense of her country's stability and prosperity?

[RAGING BONER]

Why does Kataron exist? What is so wrong with the Federation that Shirin, a supposedly intelligent person, would refuse to join them, even at the expense of her country's stability and prosperity?
i think it had something to do with the feds hoarding all the solar power and using it as political leverage or some shit...i don't know if they ever really explained that to be honest.


all you, the viewer, needs to know is that the people who pilot the red suits are bad and the people who pilot the blue suits are good. Conform damn you.

[son_michael]

all you, the viewer, needs to know is that the people who pilot the red suits are bad and the people who pilot the blue suits are good. Conform damn you.


:rofl:lmao


he will never get it:laugh

[Wesley]

i think it had something to do with the feds hoarding all the solar power and using it as political leverage or some shit...i don't know if they ever really explained that to be honest.

Ah, well that could be bad, but it might also be reasonable. It's not like the power is really free, despite what anyone would like to think.

all you, the viewer, needs to know is that the people who pilot the red suits are bad and the people who pilot the blue suits are good. Conform damn you.

Hey, just because Kataron make easy targets that hide behind children is no reason to side with them. And just because Celestial Being is fighting against the A-Laws is no reason to root for them. Making Celestial Being look good by comparison, that's just so damn cheap. They did it with the Trinity and Mid-boss, now they're doing it with A-Laws and Innovators.

De facto good guys suck.

[Altron]

R.I.P Sergei , lol Soma is gonna go ballistic and ironically get revenge just like how Andrei killed his father. :zaru

[Big Boss]

I want Andrei to be tortured by Jack Bauer.

[kulgan18]

i think it had something to do with the feds hoarding all the solar power and using it as political leverage or some shit...i don't know if they ever really explained that to be honest.


all you, the viewer, needs to know is that the people who pilot the red suits are bad and the people who pilot the blue suits are good. Conform damn you.

They installed red particles towers on the middle east to punish them plus what you just said.
Besides the ol' capturing innocent people and put them into labor camps with no trial and hiding all their crimes by manipulating the media.

But dont forget that kataron and the regular fedies both use blue suits :amuse.

All that is clear is that A-laws are the biggest assholes in the entire world and that they are morons for falling into ribbons plans so easily, i mean they dont even ask themselves why they keep using weapons of mass destruction?.
After this point anybody who sides with A-laws is completly blind, stupid or is just an evil fuck.

A giant beam of light destroying the elevator is not that hard to see.

[Wesley]

They installed red particles towers on the middle east to punish them plus what you just said.
Besides the ol' capturing innocent people and put them into labor camps with no trial and hiding all their crimes by manipulating the media.

The Middle East was being used as a base for Kataron and other forces opposed to Federation rule.

And a few political prisoners is no reason to fight a war.

[superman_1]

wat an episode...intense and full of action... good to see everyone working together to destroy that elevator pieces...divine got blown off and is dead lol... but cant believe sergei got killed by his own fucked up son... andrei better die soon...marie better get the revenge on him... overall a great action episode and cant wait for next ep...

[Sena Kobayakawa]

Wow that episode was amazing. The transition to the ending song was perfect.

[staradderdragoon]

wow, i cant believe they had the douchebag of the series kill off 2 badasses in one go. I hope marie snaps back into soma making allelujah turn into hallelujah and then GN archer + arios combine for some major ass kicking.

episode was amazing as a whole though. the action and the humanity of the soldiers was portrayed so well. I loved the transition into the ED. I think kyoani should take a lesson from this episode and redo the ending to episode 16 of clannad...lol

[Shadow_Reaver]

...and the winner of the Suzaku hypocrisy award goes to...

*drum roll*

...Andrei!

Let's give a big round of boo to the winner.

All in all, Great episode.

[MasterKakuzu]

Why happened to the orbital sniper rifle dynames had? if cherudim had it, MM2 would have been destroyed.

sad episode just watched. The pilot of empress died way too fast. All the drama:cry.

[Zhiyao]

I am just curious, now that the African orbital elevator "crashing" has now happened, I am guessing that the truth about the federation and its actions are harder to hide now? So, has Hercules archived his goal of letting people know about the wrong-doings of A-Laws? I personally think that innovator's (re)actions towards the hostage takeover has inevitable exposed themselves.

[Aeon]

The "masculine" Innovators seem to be biting the dust first. :hmm

[neodragzero]

Hey, if everyone would just surrender and get in line with the A-Laws, everything would be fine. You've got jerk-offs like Kataron fighting for the lulz and playing the victim and douchebags in the Middle East that expect something for nothing.

Besides being hardline against militant opposition, I don't see a problem with the A-Laws.

Didn't the Federation have a country of the Middle East "restructured" even though Katharon obviously wasn't apart of it? I thought the given point of why you have anti-Federation factions is the Federation having the A-Laws "restructure" anyone that doesn't just simply fall in line?

Attacking sovereign nations to the point of even using a WMD that kills numerous upon numerous innocents as collateral and covering up is okay all of a sudden?

Are you suggesting that it's okay that you simply surrender to a government that practically spits on numerous human rights and cover ups its dirty laundry with media manipulation. It's like you're practically suggesting that an authoritarian society with little respect for truth and another nation's sovereignty is a good thing...

Anyway, Andre sucks. I look forward to the look on his face when he realizes he killed his dad over...nothing.

[Graham Aker]

I am just curious, now that the African orbital elevator "crashing" has now happened, I am guessing that the truth about the federation and its actions are harder to hide now? So, has Hercules archived his goal of letting people know about the wrong-doings of A-Laws?
Sadly, no.
All the witnesses, the hostages taken in by Hercule, are dead. The A-LAWS can easily put the blame on the Coup members for being the ones responsible for what happened with the Elevator.

[Wesley]

Didn't the Federation have a country of the Middle East "restructured" even though Katharon obviously wasn't apart of it? I thought the given point of why you have anti-Federation factions is the Federation having the A-Laws "restructure" anyone that doesn't just simply fall in line?

A failed country gets a reboot and outside support in exchange for political conscessions. Seems like a fair deal to me.

Attacking sovereign nations to the point of even using a WMD that kills numerous upon numerous innocents as collateral and covering up is okay all of a sudden?

It wouldn't come down to that if they would stop resisting. Otherwise, the only difference between using a big space gun and lots of little space guns is time and perceptions in the difference of strength.

Are you suggesting that it's okay that you simply surrender to a government that practically spits on numerous human rights and cover ups its dirty laundry with media manipulation. It's like you're practically suggesting that an authoritarian society with little respect for truth and another nation's sovereignty is a good thing...

Blah blah blah. I would have been against the formation of a world government in the first place, but no, that was forced on everyone all because of some jerkoffs with delusions of grandeur. It's only fair that others share the same fate. That way we can all be equally miserable.

Besides, as if Middle Eastern dictatorships aren't authoritarian and don't abuse so-called human rights. Change of a hands, same hand holding the reigns. Only this time they're kind of foreign and don't pay lipservice to whatever f-ing religion they follow in OO.

[reaperunique]

Sadly, no.
All the witnesses, the hostages taken in by Hercule, are dead. The A-LAWS can easily put the blame on the Coup members for being the ones responsible for what happened with the Elevator.

indeed and that really pisses me off, 60,000 people dead and everybody thinks it was the rebel army.

Got I fucking hate A-LAWS, for there ignorance and stupidity,fucking tards, and Ribbons.

I really hope Setsuna is going to torture those tards before he kills them off and after everything is cleared I would laugh my ass off hard in front of everyone.

[Hibari Kyoya]

well atleast that faggot A laws commander dude is dead

[neodragzero]

A failed country gets a reboot and outside support in exchange for political conscessions. Seems like a fair deal to me.

And it's a failed country why?

It wouldn't come down to that if they would stop resisting. Otherwise, the only difference between using a big space gun and lots of little space guns is time and perceptions in the difference of strength.

In other words, still an argument that a nation's sovereignty means nothing. An argument that practically screams blame the victim.

Besides, as if Middle Eastern dictatorships aren't authoritarian and don't abuse so-called human rights. Change of a hands, same hand holding the reigns. Only this time they're kind of foreign and don't pay lipservice to whatever f-ing religion they follow in OO.
In other words, you completely forgot that Azadistan was a constitutional monarchy that has more than just political party with one not simply being based on the logic of a religious dogma. While at the same time you still don't seem to get the issue of disrespecting a nation's sovereignty, killing innocent people on mass, and cover ups. To claim that resistance to joining a world government automatically makes you somehow deserve death and the deaths of numerous upon numerous civilians is as insane as claiming that the EU should attack a country in Europe just because it's not apart of the EU.

[Hidd3N_NiN]

Wow, Andrei was such an asshole. He just killed his own father without even giving him a chance to explain himself. And he was telling Louise to get over her past. >.>

[Rob`]

I love how Andrei killed Smirmov, it's kind of hypocritical that he was telling Louise to give up her grudge but to me that says he knows he should forgive him but he can't. I just hope he doesn't turn into consta-emo.

Edit: Also I'm really glad he's dead, I thought he was a terrible character.

[Wesley]

And it's a failed country why?

Same with any country that fails; the people that live there.

In other words, still an argument that a nation's sovereignty means nothing. An argument that practically screams blame the victim.

In the face of overwhelming force, yes, sovereignty means nothing. Besides, hardly anyone complained about the Gundams breaching "soverign" terroritory willy nilly in the first season.

In other words, you completely forgot that Azadistan was a constitutional monarchy that has more than just political party with one not simply being based on the logic of a religious dogma.

They did a terrible job following it if it was actually worth the paper it was written on.

While at the same time you still don't seem to get the issue of disrespecting a nation's sovereignty, killing innocent people on mass, and cover ups.

It's how Celestial Being operates. :zaru

To claim that resistance to joining a world government automatically makes you somehow deserve death and the deaths of numerous upon numerous civilians is as insane as claiming that the EU should attack a country in Europe just because it's not apart of the EU.

Why not? Stubborn old fools that think they have something worth defending at the expense of their people. If it's a forgone conclusion that you're going to lose, better to just surrender instead of going for the blaze of glory route.

[neodragzero]

In the face of overwhelming force, yes, sovereignty means nothing. Besides, hardly anyone complained about the Gundams breaching "soverign" terroritory willy nilly in the first season.

Yeah, why not complain about the burning of narcotics and actually assisting a government with getting back kidnapped politician.:zaru

Obviously Celestial Being was annihilating an entire urban city filled with civilians and covering it up while installing a puppet government. :zaru

You wouldn't believe how a vast difference what is done by the A-Laws and Celestial Being makes for reactions.:LOS

They did a terrible job following it if it was actually worth the paper it was written on.

Do you actually have anything to add beyond just flat belief statements. "It was bad" isn't much of an argument.

It's how Celestial Being operates. :zaru

Still waiting for your evidence of Celestial Being intentionally killing civilians on mass and covering up.

Why not? Stubborn old fools that think they have something worth defending at the expense of their people. If it's a forgone conclusion that you're going to lose, better to just surrender instead of going for the blaze of glory route.
In other words, you're still doing a blame the victim rhetoric that disgustingly suggest that people during WWII should simply surrender to the Nazis. What's next? A claim that taking someone's house is okay as long as you have the overwhelming force of blowing their brains out with a shotgun?

If you simply want to say might makes right, that's your prerogative. Just stop acting like your rhetoric is a matter of some actual positive morality rather than just a simple amoral.

[Wesley]

Yeah, why not complain about the burning of narcotics and actually assisting a government with getting back kidnapped politician.:zaru

Yeah, because it's not like in the real world where the economies of entire countries are dependent upon the drug trade. :zaru

Obviously Celestial Being was annihilating an entire urban city filled with civilians and covering it up while installing a puppet government. :zaru

Celestial Being annilating a city and blaming Azadistan for the destruction. :zaru

You wouldn't believe how a vast difference what is done by the A-Laws and Celestial Being makes for reactions.:LOS

The A-Laws have actual stakes. Celestial Being are self-appointed dicks-s that have paid vacations every other week.

Do you actually have anything to add beyond just flat belief statements. "It was bad" isn't much of an argument.

Hey, you're the one that is accusing the A-Laws of being bad.

Still waiting for your evidence of Celestial Being intentionally killing civilians on mass and covering up.

Ever read the manga?

In other words, you're still doing a blame the victim rhetoric that disgustingly suggest that people during WWII should simply surrender to the Nazis. What's next? A claim that taking someone's house is okay as long as you have the overwhelming force of blowing their brains out with a shotgun?

Ghandi advocated just that. :zaru

And the A-Laws don't even have a particular egomaniacal belief driving them. They're simply consolidating political power on a global scale, while making no real distinctions. Everyone is equal under the A-Laws.

If you simply want to say might makes right, that's your prerogative. Just stop acting like your rhetoric is a matter of some actual positive morality rather than just a simple amoral.

I'm mostly goofing around. I don't really care about the A-Laws beyond being disappointed I am at how evil!!! they've been made to be for Celestial Being's benefit. I mean, anyone can act like they're outraged when so-called civilians are killed. It's really easy to hate talking heads that say the word "change" alot while sipping martinis. It's not as easy to hate scumbags flying around in pretty mega-mecha surviving against evil badguys while saving cannon fodder.

Mostly...I'm just bitter that everyone in Celestial Being was torn to pieces in a glorious orgy of blood, guts, and violence.

[neodragzero]

Yeah, because it's not like in the real world where the economies of entire countries are dependent upon the drug trade. :zaru

The real world also has orbital elevators and colonies.:zaru

It's incredibly obvious that the burning of those drug fields was a positive as the current structure of the verse goes.

Celestial Being annilating a city and blaming Azadistan for the destruction. :zaru

What?

The A-Laws have actual stakes. Celestial Being are self-appointed dicks-s that have paid vacations every other week.

More empty belief statements.

Hey, you're the one that is accusing the A-Laws of being bad.

What accusation? I simply put down facts in response to your positive assertion that it's bad to resist a government with little respect for truth, the sovereignty of other nations, and civilian lives on a whim.

Ever read the manga?

A question you supposedly should be asking yourself.

And the A-Laws don't even have a particular egomaniacal belief driving them. They're simply consolidating political power on a global scale, while making no real distinctions. Everyone is equal under the A-Laws.

Equally expendable you mean. Everyone is obviously not equal when it comes to information of course.:amuse

I'm mostly goofing around. I don't really care about the A-Laws beyond being disappointed I am at how evil!!! they've been made to be for Celestial Being's benefit. I mean, anyone can act like they're outraged when so-called civilians are killed. It's really easy to hate talking heads that say the word "change" alot while sipping martinis. It's not as easy to hate scumbags flying around in pretty mega-mecha surviving against evil badguys while saving cannon fodder.

No, it's more like the A-Laws are shown to be the thoughtless pawns of the Innovators that are the real bad guys behind the scheme of things. It's basically the kind of thing where you have a bunch of rich, self-righteous jerks that treat others like cattle. The A-Laws at the end of the day really fail out in terms of overbearing ignorance and arrogance. Especially when your leader has enough to think that killing off 60,000 innocent people, and additional amounts of course from fallout created by the destruction of the elevator, is okay.

Mostly...I'm just bitter that everyone in Celestial Being was torn to pieces in a glorious orgy of blood, guts, and violence.
Wait, so you are in support of Celestial Being?:wink

[Wesley]

The real world also has orbital elevators and colonies.:zaru

It's incredibly obvious that the burning of those drug fields was a positive as the current structure of the verse goes.

I don't buy into Word of God to justify bullshit story-telling.

What?

You heard me. O Gundam intervened in Kurdizstan with the intention of destroying everything and everyone there as a test. Azadistan was in the process of wiping out the country due to it's being a base for international terrorism. Waiting for Azadistan to do most of the work and finishing off the victor is the same as doing it themselves.

More empty belief statements.

Not at all. It's true the A-Laws are a military group subservient to a political body that represents the world. They have an interest in making sure the world works and prospers.

Meanwhile, Celestial Being, a secret organization that pilfers and buys interest into leading coporations and influentional families, runs around doing whatever the hell it wants without respect to anyone or anything.

What accusation? I simply put down facts in response to your positive assertion that it's bad to resist a government with little respect for truth, the sovereignty of other nations, and civilian lives on a whim.

Resisting an overwhelmingly powerful oppenent for resistance's sake is stupid. The A-Laws destroy those that resist and help those that cooperate. I think it's in everyone's best interests to cooperate don't you?

A question you supposedly should be asking yourself.

I read the first chapter "Kill all wittnesses" is a standing rule of engagement for the crack head they have flying the featured mecha.

Equally expendable you mean. Everyone is obviously not equal when it comes to information of course.:amuse

No one is equal to another, ever, under any circumstances, except in conception and death. Equality is utterly impossible in any other facet of life.

No, it's more like the A-Laws are shown to be the thoughtless pawns of the Innovators that are the real bad guys behind the scheme of things. It's basically the kind of thing where you have a bunch of rich, self-righteous jerks that treat others like cattle. The A-Laws at the end of the day really fail out in terms of overbearing ignorance and arrogance. Especially when your leader has enough to think that killing off 60,000 innocent people, and additional amounts of course from fallout created by the destruction of the elevator, is okay.

It is okay if the ends justify the means. That's a perfectly reasonable and human conclusion to come to don't you think?

Wait, so you are in support of Celestial Being?:wink

Typo. Sometimes I get ahead of myself. Let me reiterate that I would like to see Sumeragi's mutaliated corpse strewn along a hallway on one of the Pote Two's decks.

[neodragzero]

You heard me. O Gundam intervened in Kurdizstan with the intention of destroying everything and everyone there as a test. Azadistan was in the process of wiping out the country due to it's being a base for international terrorism. Waiting for Azadistan to do most of the work and finishing off the victor is the same as doing it themselves.

There's a difference between a battlefield filled with fighters and annihilating an urban city filled with civilians. Kurdistan in general was screwed the day Ali entered it anyway.

Not at all. It's true the A-Laws are a military group subservient to a political body that represents the world. They have an interest in making sure the world works and prospers.

Meanwhile, Celestial Being, a secret organization that pilfers and buys interest into leading coporations and influentional families, runs around doing whatever the hell it wants without respect to anyone or anything.

The A-Laws have a naive interest in making the world peaceful even with the deaths of innocent civilians on mass. Overall, it still reeks of rhetoric that says that aggressive facism is okay.

Celestial Being on the other hand destroyed narcotics, saved craps load of civilians, a kidnapped important politician, and overwhelmingly committed actions to lessen the ability to continue worldwide battles at the time. While at the same time its members make it quite clear that they can see their own hypocrisy but they never suggested that killing off thousands of innocent civilians was good idea. The A-Laws don't even seem to know the meaning of the word humility.

Resisting an overwhelmingly powerful oppenent for resistance's sake is stupid. The A-Laws destroy those that resist and help those that cooperate. I think it's in everyone's best interests to cooperate don't you?

You're basically saying what Nazi supporters did.

I read the first chapter "Kill all wittnesses" is a standing rule of engagement for the crack head they have flying the featured mecha.

And when exactly did he kill off innocent civilians? Thanks for also adding in ad homenim baggage such as "crack head."

No one is equal to another, ever, under any circumstances, except in conception and death. Equality is utterly impossible in any other facet of life.

You yourself posted:

And the A-Laws don't even have a particular egomaniacal belief driving them. They're simply consolidating political power on a global scale, while making no real distinctions. Everyone is equal under the A-Laws.

It's like you're arguing against yourself without even keeping up with what you actually meant. I made no serious assertion about the existence of equality.

It is okay if the ends justify the means. That's a perfectly reasonable and human conclusion to come to don't you think?

No, it actually isn't. Numerous things throughout most of this mess of a decade make that all the more glaringly obvious.:facepalm

[Wesley]

There's a difference between a battlefield filled with fighters and annihilating an urban city filled with civilians. Kurdistan in general was screwed the day Ali entered it anyway.

Yeah, it's all Ali's fault. The man is a walking disaster area and no one can touch him, because he's so good at what he does, and everyone sucks in comparison.

The A-Laws have a naive interest in making the world peaceful even with the deaths of innocent civilians on mass. Overall, it still reeks of rhetoric that says that aggressive facism is okay.

If you're using the term civilian to get to me, it won't work. I've given up on the idea of civilians. For me, there is only killing and being killed.

Celestial Being on the other hand destroyed narcotics, saved craps load of civilians, a kidnapped important politician, and overwhelmingly committed actions to lessen the ability to continue worldwide battles at the time. While at the same time its members make it quite clear that they can see their own hypocrisy but they never suggested that killing off thousands of innocent civilians was good idea. The A-Laws don't even seem to know the meaning of the word humility.

I blame the bias portrayal of Celestial Being and the unrealistic success rate they enjoy. They never highlight the consenquences of Celestial Being's actions.

You're basically saying what Nazi supporters did.

Ghandi wasn't a Nazi supporter.

And when exactly did he kill off innocent civilians? Thanks for also adding in ad homenim baggage such as "crack head."

Anytime he found any.

You yourself posted:

It's like you're arguing against yourself without even keeping up with what you actually meant. I made no serious assertion about the existence of equality.

I'm allowed to play devil's adovate and state what I really believe.

No, it actually isn't. Numerous things throughout most of this mess of a decade make that all the more glaringly obvious.:facepalm

So a Gundam and a bad personal history is all the justification you need to do anything then?

[son_michael]

dude stop talking to wesley, he already admitted in another thread that he trolls this show



dont take anything he says seriously

[neodragzero]

Wesley as your troll for this section makes the OBD feel like battlezone by comparison.:amuse

EDIT: Wesley, that was actually a compliment. I take it back now of course. Especially after your weird PM. Even an OBD troll knows better.

[IchiTenshou]

looking forward to see Arios combines with GN Archer .. :wtf

[Blaze of Glory]

Wesley as your troll for this section makes the OBD feel like battlezone by comparison.:amuse

EDIT: Wesley, that was actually a compliment. I take it back now of course. Especially after your weird PM. Even an OBD troll knows better.

Someone needs to contact a motherfucking mod to get him outta this section.

[Kira Yamato]

It was nice seeing a collective effort by all the parties involved in saving the lives of those that were at stake from the collapsing orbital elevator. Even though countless lives were lost, even more were saved.

And why did I have a feeling Andrei was waiting for the perfect moment to kill his father? And took advantage of the situation without so much as asking what Sergei was doing? >_>

Edit: Why am I afraid of looking at the posts above me? :apathy

[RAGING BONER]

Wesley are you aware that A-Laws, which controls the government, is under the direct authority of Ribbons, a former agent of Celestial being?

and he's not even human.

[Graham Aker]

And why did I have a feeling Andrei was waiting for the perfect moment to kill his father? And took advantage of the situation without so much as asking what Sergei was doing? >_>
That's exactly what it is. The little slutbitch use that situation to carry out his personal vendetta against his father.

Good heavens, I can't believe he actually killed Sergei. You have to be really messed up in the head to do something like that. Though, I think Sergei is also to blame for this since he never really tried to make amends with Andrei.

Such a tragedy. And now, the cycle begins. Soma will want Andrei's head so that she can impale it on a pike and set it aflame in front of Sergei's grave marker.

[son_michael]

That's exactly what it is. The little slutbitch use that situation to carry out his personal vendetta against his father.

Good heavens, I can't believe he actually killed Sergei. You have to be really messed up in the head to do something like that. Though, I think Sergei is also to blame for this since he never really tried to make amends with Andrei.

Such a tragedy. And now, the cycle begins. Soma will want Andrei's head so that she can impale it on a pike and set it aflame in front of Sergei's grave marker.


and then Louise will hate soma and want revenge for andrei......oh boy were in for a LONG cycle:facepalm

[Kasuke Sadiki]

Why happened to the orbital sniper rifle dynames had? if cherudim had it, MM2 would have been destroyed.

sad episode just watched. The pilot of empress died way too fast. All the drama:cry.

Although it was a cool weapon, I don't think it would have been powerful enough to destroy "MM2". I love how fast the empress got destroyed, that was epic lulz. And I also love how they balance things out so that a victory is never complete, Setsuna one shot killed that one guy only to fail to stop MM2. Bittersweet ftw!



P.S: Fuck Andrei. What a coward eh, he had to wait til he was in a mobile suit like five generations more advanced than his dad's and his dad was off guard to get his 'revenge'. Didn't hear him saying anything about revenge when he was standing right in front of him though. Little punk

[Graham Aker]

and then Louise will hate soma and want revenge for andrei......oh boy were in for a LONG cycle:facepalm
Ah no. Thankfully we have Saji who will no doubt be the focus of Louise' attention.

And there's also Nena.

Lawl, so much revenge.

[Wesley]

Wesley are you aware that A-Laws, which controls the government, is under the direct authority of Ribbons, a former agent of Celestial being?

and he's not even human.

I think Ribbons represents Celestial Being more than the losers with the Gundams. At the very least, two sides of the same coin. And yes, I am well aware that he's controlling pretty much everything while sitting on an effeminate couch.

[kulgan18]

Ah no. Thankfully we have Saji who will no doubt be the focus of Louise' attention.

And there's also Nena.

Lawl, so much revenge.

Well if somebody dares to kill soma, he is gonna get his ass killed by Halle.

Not that louise needs any more motivation, she is already on full revenge mode against CB.

[Ratwedge]

I am loving how everyone is pissed off at Andrei.

I also love how everyone manages to ignore that Sergei was a pretty shit father, who failed not only his son, but he couldn't even keep the promise to his own wife.

The man can follow questionable orders of a political body but he cant even raise his own son, instead passing that off to his friend.

Sergei should be held up in parenting manuals on not what to do. Ignoring his own son for so long and then having the gall to try and be a good father by proxy with a super soldier?

Im sorry, but by being a failure of a husband and father he dug his own grave. Andrei was well within his rights, based on the information he had to kill his father. Associating and assisting the leader of the coup, there was no excuse. Epically since he held himself to far higher standards and got his wife killed over them.

Andrei should have killed him sooner to be honest, at leas then it would have been illegal.

[Diceman]

looking forward to see Arios combines with GN Archer .. :wtf

GN Archer going into Arios?
If that ain't a symbolism for Marie wearing the pants in that relationship,I dunno what to say:zaru

[RAGING BONER]

i'm kinda curious what the life span of the GN Archer is considering it doesn't have a GN drive of its own...anybody know?

[son_michael]

I am loving how everyone is pissed off at Andrei.

cause there's good reason to be:oh

I also love how everyone manages to ignore that Sergei was a pretty shit father, who failed not only his son, but he couldn't even keep the promise to his own wife.

hey nobody's perfect but what promise did he break to his wife?


The man can follow questionable orders of a political body but he cant even raise his own son, instead passing that off to his friend.

what? he's a soldier and he follows orders.....where did it say he left his son to be raised by a friend?




Im sorry, but by being a failure of a husband and father he dug his own grave.

he may have failed as a father but where do you get he was a failure as a husband?

Andrei was well within his rights, based on the information he had to kill his father. Associating and assisting the leader of the coup, there was no excuse. Epically since he held himself to far higher standards and got his wife killed over them.

lol he had no information HE WANTED TO BELIEVE HIS FATHER WAS A TRAITOR so he could have an excuse to unleash his inner hatred

I hope he finds out his father was there on an official mission and let it eat him up on the inside


Andrei should have killed him sooner to be honest, at leas then it would have been illegal.

what?


Andrei fails as a soldier for killing 1 of the best soldiers of his own military and he fails as a son and a human being in killing his own father because of an unresolved issue:notrust


a real man would have confronted his father but obviously Andrei was not a real man

[The Big G]

Dude the preview said the next episode is set 4 months after the crash, that's crazy yo.

[Red Zaku]

I think Ribbons represents Celestial Being more than the losers with the Gundams.

Except he's not Celestial Being and never was. Nor does he represent the idea whereby the organization was founded... The Meisters do, Ribbon's doesn't. Though it hurts your point that he formed a group called the Innovators.

Also nice debating Neo Dragon, I thought I was the only one who ever bothered to crush Wesley's points in depth. Nice to see other's doing it too.

[Zoidberg]

Am I the only one who thinks Regene is going to double cross Ribbons?

[Goodfellow]

Everyone and their ugly dog:awesome?

[Logic]

lolwesley.

Anyway good episode. Andrei is a bitch etc etc. I hope he gets killed soon. Also Louise is annoying now CEEEEELLLLLLEESSSSSTTTTTIIIIIAAAAAAALLLLLL BBBBBEEEEEEEIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGG. Just stop talking :lmao

[olaf]

Am I the only one who thinks Regene is going to double cross Ribbons?
shit was obvious since the moment he opend his whore mouth

and then we'll find out that he is really a she :zaru

lol andrei. I can't wait for him to find out that he killed his father over nothing and have total mental break down. if the writers will simply kill him in revenge cycle before he knows the truth I'll be really disappointed

sometimes I wish i had more e-stamina so I could get in lng ass troll battles. just like wesley :zaru

[Jetstorm]

This episode entertained me. It was great to see all sides working together to shoot down the fragments.

Sergei! :cry

I hope Allelujah or Mary shoots down that bastard Andrei for this shit! :C

Also wtf?! Setsuna was piloting 00 with the 0-Raiser in more than one episode just fine and even used Trans-AM. Why does he need Saji all of a sudden? Looks like a poor excuse to get him and Louise to see each other on the battlefield again. :notrust

Am I the only one who thinks Regene is going to double cross Ribbons?

Its about as subtle as a hammer flying towards you.

[Wesley]

Its about as subtle as a hammer flying towards you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iXP9yoc4VY

[Rob`]

Am I the only one who thinks Regene is going to double cross Ribbons?

i think everyone thinks that

it seems like ribbons is actually planning on it

[Tendou Souji]

AUGH.

First things first, BEEM SABORU DATTO!?!?!?!?! :gar

Someone needs to kill Andrei, and I hope it's Marie. Seriously, that dude is fucking retarded.

COLONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!

Louise needs to shut her whore mouth. "CELESTIAL BEENGU!" Bitch you have as much character as Sai.

Lol Feel good moment, everyone is working together. :zaru

Overall this episode was meh. Let's see what happens in 4 months/2 days.

[Wesley]

Sai was cool. :pek

[Rob`]

Sai was cool. :pek

I guess you're entitled to an opinion but seriously?

[Wesley]

I guess you're entitled to an opinion but seriously?

Why not? He didn't fly any mecha and kept his complaints mostly to himself, assuming he had any besides Flay's behavior. He fullfilled his role in the love triangle between himself, Kira, and Flay, while also remaining Kira's friend despite their differences. He attempted to pilot Strike, without any intention of stealing it, which is exceptional in of itself.

He was alright. He was a supporting character and he didn't have to die or kill anyone to get any recognition. He was alright.

[Kasuke Sadiki]

Also wtf?! Setsuna was piloting 00 with the 0-Raiser in more than one episode just fine and even used Trans-AM. Why does he need Saji all of a sudden? Looks like a poor excuse to get him and Louise to see each other on the battlefield again. :notrust




I got the impression he needed a pilot in the 0-Raiser in order to do the Trans-Am Raiser (which is the huge beam saber, not just trans-am while docked with 0-Raiser)