Trans-GRAHam

[Big Boss]

I expected this.:kaga

[Donkey Show]

TRANS-GRAHAM!!!

[KillerFan]

lol i loved the sub, setsuna saying "trans-graham!"

[Aeon]

I'll have to admit, that's a better name than Fake Trans-Am. :zaru

[Sander RX]

I'll have to admit, that's a better name than Fake Trans-Am. :zaru
Official name is Burst Mode.

[Masurao]

TRANS-GRAHAM!!

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[Shodai]

BAD BOYS BAD BOYS

WHAT YOU GONNA DO

WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN BUSHIDO COMES FOR YOU


YOU GONNA TRANSMU

HE GONNA TRANSGRAHAMU

[arunachala_1008]

i LMAO'd @ "Trans-Graham!" especeially since bushido's suit looks like a TTGL knock off.

[KillerFan]

but why does graham keep popping up out of nowhere?! :D: only reason he's alive in this season seems to just to bother setsuna as much as possible.

[Triste Morningstar]

WELL SHIT MISTER BUSHIDO

WHAT THE FUCK IS SETSUNA GONNA DO NOW

HUH

[ChocolateBar999]

but why does graham keep popping up out of nowhere?! :D: only reason he's alive in this season seems to just to bother setsuna as much as possible.
Bingo! He's more of a joke character now since he serves no importance to the plot then being the archrival. In fact he's more like Jerrid in Zeta Gundam (he might die a similar fashion too)

[Masurao]

but why does graham keep popping up out of nowhere?! :D: only reason he's alive in this season seems to just to bother setsuna as much as possible.

http://i44.tinypic.com/20fywkg.jpg

[ChocolateBar999]

http://i44.tinypic.com/20fywkg.jpg
What? :huh:huh:huh

[Altron]

http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr349/SwordAkasha/snapshot20090119103636.jpg

[Rukia]

Bingo! He's more of a joke character now since he serves no importance to the plot then being the archrival. In fact he's more like Jerrid in Zeta Gundam (he might die a similar fashion too)Yep. Graham is season 2's Patrick. He serves no real purpose to plot. He will somehow fight Setsuna to a stand still here, disappear for 5 episodes, and come back with a better suit later. It will be Ali's turn to fight Setsuna again. :lmao

Seriously, I agree with what someone else wrote. Too many characters on this show.

[qks]

i lmao

also masuro(sp?) has a mono eye like the flag

under the shades:gar

[Legend]

I really think Ali is more of a rival than Graham.

[LeafWolfie]

Can't wait to see that new suit in action

[Shodai]

No relevance to the plot?

Fools. That sentence seems to be thrown around too freely in the anime community these days. Unless someone is directly related to the overall turn of events and those who manipulate them, they are plot irrelevant.

No, characters are the plot. Mister Bushido is his own fucking plot.

And that's what makes him epic. Because that is his subplot, and whenever he turns up on screen, you know the shit is about to go down.

[reaperunique]

Bingo! He's more of a joke character now since he serves no importance to the plot then being the archrival. In fact he's more like Jerrid in Zeta Gundam (he might die a similar fashion too)

and that is starting to annoy me, seriously, why can't he leave setsuna alone.

We all know he is going to die and probably like fodder(no offence graham)

[ChocolateBar999]

No relevance to the plot?

Fools. That sentence seems to be thrown around too freely in the anime community these days. Unless someone is directly related to the overall turn of events and those who manipulate them, they are plot irrelevant.

No, characters are the plot. Mister Bushido is his own fucking plot.

And that's what makes him epic. Because that is his subplot, and whenever he turns up on screen, you know the shit is about to go down.
I could facepalm right now but my head is too sore and the fact that you have a Mister Bushido avatar won't make anything better eitherway, but what the hell, please tell me WHAT HAS MISTER BUSHIDO DONE TO MOVE THE PLOT FORWARD?! What has been done to further develop his character and for god's sake what the hell happened to Graham Aker these past four years to turn him into this masked samurai, and the answer is..........nothing. Honestly he only seems to be there for the sake of having a maskedman in every Gundam series I mean even Rau Le Creuset had plot relevance and regardless how shitty the turn of events became I'll go on a limb and say Neo Roanoke is better than Mister Bushido at this point.

[The Drunken Monkey]

omg Graham, take my babies.

[Shodai]

I could facepalm right now but my head is too soar and the fact that you have a Mister Bushido avatar won't make anything better eitherway, but what the hell, please tell me WHAT HAS MISTER BUSHIDO DONE TO MOVE THE PLOT FORWARD?! What has been done to further develop his character and for god's sake what the hell happened to Graham Aker these past four years to turn him into this masked samurai, and the answer is..........nothing. Honestly he only seems to be there for the sake of having a maskedman in every Gundam series I mean even Rau Le Creuset had plot relevance and regardless how shitty the turn of events became I'll go on a limb and say Neo Roanoke is better than Mister Bushido at this point.

What exactly do you define as plot? That's like asking what Setsuna has done to advance the plot in S2. Nothing, he is the plot. Bushido is a subplot. You're just raging hard because you dislike the character and can't handle the anime not focusing on the big picture the entire time.

Enjoy your discontent!

[MasterKakuzu]

Ali should steal the masurao and put some fangs into it! Ali seems to be the better archrival because of he did to setsunas childhood.

[Red Zaku]

I still believe Graham's new MS will shed it's armor to reveal GN FLAG beneath.

[ChocolateBar999]

What exactly do you define as plot? That's like asking what Setsuna has done to advance the plot in S2. Nothing, he is the plot. Bushido is a subplot. You're just raging hard because you dislike the character and can't handle the anime not focusing on the big picture the entire time.

Enjoy your discontent!
Notice how you've failed to answer my question by adding another question in the mix thus proving you yourself have no idea what the hell your talking about. Setsuna along with Celestial Being advances the plot through their interventions whether breaking Allejuah out of the A-LAWS facility or by taking down their doomsday weapon, we've learned a hell of alot more about Setsuna then Mister Bushido (who we still don't know shit about 15 episodes in) and his presence doesn't conceal nothing but his own selfish nature and ego that it's depressing to say the least, he doesn't fight for the world or even his comrades sake just for his own ego and Mister Bushido shares more in common with Jarrid then anything the difference being Jarrid had more development.

[Saiko]

Discussing in Mister Bushido praising Thread ?

DO NOT WANT

IT WAS A FUCKING TRANS-GRAHAM

[Tachi67]

OH-EM-GEE! Trans-Graham, like whatevs. Like Trans-Graham can listen to his girlfriend's music from like a gazillion miles away. XD

[ChocolateBar999]

Discussing in Mister Bushido praising Thread ?

DO NOT WANT

IT WAS A FUCKING TRANS-GRAHAM
Oh.....Yeah whatever..:P

[Blaze of Glory]

What? :huh:huh:huh

He's implying that they're lovers genius :zaru

[ChocolateBar999]

He's implying that they're lovers genius :zaru
Gay joke...yeah:notrust
The problem was it wasn't funny:zaru

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Seriously, I agree with what someone else wrote. Too many characters on this show.

Hai friend :zaru

[Shodai]

Notice how you've failed to answer my question by adding another question in the mix thus proving you yourself have no idea what the hell your talking about.
Your question was loaded, and wrong. I explained why. You're ignoring my point while simultaneously insulting me. Good job on that.

Setsuna along with Celestial Being advances the plot through their interventions whether breaking Allejuah out of the A-LAWS facility or by taking down their doomsday weapon, we've learned a hell of alot more about Setsuna then Mister Bushido (who we still don't know shit about 15 episodes in) and his presence doesn't conceal nothing but his own selfish nature and ego that it's depressing to say the least, he doesn't fight for the world or even his comrades sake just for his own ego and Mister Bushido shares more in common with Jarrid then anything the difference being Jarrid had more development.

Mister Bushido/Graham along with Union Flag fighters advances the plot through their armed operations whether fighting Gundam Thrones or by Mr Bushido stopping Setsuna from taking down the doomsday weapon. We've learned around the same amount of information on Bushido and Setsuna, ie, some of their past, (We do know shit about Mr Bushido, and we didn't exactly see what Setsuna was doing for 4 years either) and his presence doesn't conceal anything but his own idealist nature or even his comrades sake just for his own Gundam and Setsuna F Seiei shares more in common with Heero than anything the difference being Heero had more development.


You see how easy that was to type out? I could repeat that a 100 times for any character I wanted, but it wouldn't get us anywhere.

[ChocolateBar999]

Your question was loaded, and wrong. I explained why. You're ignoring my point while simultaneously insulting me. Good job on that.
No you did not! It seems that your apparent fanboyism got in the way of an actual argument:zaru



Mister Bushido/Graham along with Union Flag fighters advances the plot through their armed operations whether fighting Gundam Thrones or by Mr Bushido stopping Setsuna from taking down the doomsday weapon. We've learned around the same amount of information on Bushido and Setsuna, ie, some of their past, (We do know shit about Mr Bushido, and we didn't exactly see what Setsuna was doing for 4 years either) and his presence doesn't conceal anything but his own idealist nature or even his comrades sake just for his own Gundam and Setsuna F Seiei shares more in common with Heero than anything the difference being Heero had more development.


You see how easy that was to type out? I could repeat that a 100 times for any character I wanted, but it wouldn't get us anywhere.

First, nice copypasta you manage to fill an entire paragraph without proving a damn point, not only is it hilariously wrong in areas and you obviously need to do some backtracking on the series before you start spouting BS across the board. But you've made your decision to be a jackass and for that Here's a cookie:zaru

[reaperunique]

was mister there when CB was about to take out the doomsday weapon I don't think so.... I think it was one of the Innovators who was being annoying....didn't it die?

It's true that Graham had relevance in the first season but now, he said it himself,he only wants to fight Setsuna.

IMO the only thing Mister has contributed to this season is having Bill make a nice new toy and annoy setsuna

Ow and every time Setsuna and Mister fought it didn't affect the result of the mission a lot.

[Rob_Zero]

Official name is Burst Mode.

No, the official name has not been stated yet.

[Zoidberg]

Trans-graham is :gar

Though most folks think Graham is utterly useless these days, I won't count my chickens just yet. Remember when Patrick cost Lockon his good eye? Graham could very well pull a Chekov's gunman in a few eps.

[KillerFan]

Trans-graham is :gar

Though most folks think Graham is utterly useless these days, I won't count my chickens just yet. Remember when Patrick cost Lockon his good eye? Graham could very well pull a Chekov's gunman in a few eps.

i'd like setsuna to lose his mouth then so he can shut the f up. i'd like the trans-grahAM to do justice

[Goodfellow]

No relevance to the plot?

Fools. That sentence seems to be thrown around too freely in the anime community these days. Unless someone is directly related to the overall turn of events and those who manipulate them, they are plot irrelevant.

No, characters are the plot. Mister Bushido is his own fucking plot.

And that's what makes him epic. Because that is his subplot, and whenever he turns up on screen, you know the shit is about to go down.

Mister Bushido being his own sub-plot is a good point.

I wonder though when they'll start to tie him into the overarching plot. Not many episodes left.

[insi_tv]

ALL HAIL TRANS-GRAHAM

i like his suits glasses, very :gar like^^

[Shodai]

No you did not! It seems that your apparent fanboyism got in the way of an actual argument:zaru




First, nice copypasta you manage to fill an entire paragraph without proving a damn point, not only is it hilariously wrong in areas and you obviously need to do some backtracking on the series before you start spouting BS across the board. But you've made your decision to be a jackass and for that Here's a cookie:zaru

Stop being so antagonistic, it makes you look like you want to go post in the Konoha Library.

Why has my fanboyism gotten into the way of an actual argument? Explain, without backing your point you are just spouting off about me.

Yes, it was nice copypasta, yes I didn't prove anything, and yes it was hilariously wrong in areas. That's the entire point of it, you did exactly the same and if you compared the paragraph I obviously parodied of yours, you'd see the similiarities and inconsistencies in your own argument. It seems to have gone over your head.

Answer this without name calling or trying to escape from it, please:
What exactly do you define as plot? That's like asking what Setsuna has done to advance the plot in S2. Nothing, he is the plot. Bushido is a subplot. You're just raging hard because you dislike the character and can't handle the anime not focusing on the big picture the entire time.


You haven't done that here:

Setsuna along with Celestial Being advances the plot through their interventions whether breaking Allejuah out of the A-LAWS facility or by taking down their doomsday weapon, we've learned a hell of alot more about Setsuna then Mister Bushido (who we still don't know shit about 15 episodes in) and his presence doesn't conceal nothing but his own selfish nature and ego that it's depressing to say the least, he doesn't fight for the world or even his comrades sake just for his own ego and Mister Bushido shares more in common with Jarrid then anything the difference being Jarrid had more development.

That's just you describing CB's story and then somehow implying that learning more about a character's backstory automatically moves the current plotline along forward, which is incorrect as you do not need backstory to move the "plot" foward.

I replied by giving an obvious parody, in the same way describing Graham and the Flag Fighter's story, and then telling you we know the same amount of stuff about Graham's backstory as we do Setsuna's - ie, Setsuna was a religious extremist who killed his parents when ordered to do so by Ali, saw the 0 Gundam, and later joined CB. Graham on the other hand, we have learned that he came from a rich family, was an ace pilot, and when he went into a training exercise with his superior, accidently killed him and got promoted leading to his hate of comrades dying and his bad reputation as someone who gets promoted by killing his commanders.

None of that is relevant to plot advancement though, it's backstory enhancement.

You go on to describe Graham's character, again as if it has relevance to what constitutes "plot". That's the point I asked you to address, I asked you to define what plot was, not what Graham's character is.

Why am I being a jackass? Having a different opinion to you is being a jackass? You're the one throwing names around here, pal.

[Sander RX]

No, the official name has not been stated yet.
Oops,must have misheard it then.
I still believe Graham's new MS will shed it's armor to reveal GN FLAG beneath.

Surely Billy wouldnt use GN Flag as a base for Masurao...Masurao seems to be a completely new unit.On top of that...lets face it,GN Flag wasnt the most successful ms in S1.

[Graham Aker]

GN Flag wasnt the most sucesful ms in S1.
Indeed. It was a shitty MS that made the Tierien a speed/mobility god. Well, no maybe not but it's speed and mobility was rubbish for a Flag. Pretty amazing that Graham managed to tie despite such a handicap against an Exia which has not been completely depleted contrary to popular(or Setsuna/Ham haters) belief.

[Sander RX]

Indeed. It was a shitty MS that made the Tierien a speed/mobility god. Well, no maybe not but it's speed and mobility was rubbish for a Flag. Pretty amazing that Graham managed to tie despite such a handicap against an Exia which has not been completely depleted contrary to popular(or Setsuna/Ham haters) belief.

Its mobility was pretty decent actually...its that frame wasnt made to hold a GN Drive.That was the problem.Its like outfitting a Ferrari with a jet engine. BAD IDEA!

[Shodai]

^ That sounds like an amazing idea.

Brb fitting my ferarri with a jet engine.

[RAGING BONER]

it pisses me off how theyve basically given him the shaft for the entire season...they coulda done so much more with him. He hardly even appears on the show, and for what? shit characters like Saji and Rouisu? He really needs more focus and development.

[Shadow_Reaver]

^ That sounds like an amazing idea.

Brb fitting my ferarri with a jet engine.

...And in other news, someone decided to outfit a Ferarri with an Jet engine. Unfortunately, the car turned out to be too fast and caused an accident that utterly flatten the car and its driver

[Graham Aker]

Its mobility was pretty decent actually...its that frame wasnt made to hold a GN Drive.That was the problem.Its like outfitting a Ferrari with a jet engine. BAD IDEA!
For a Tierien, but not a Flag. And the Frame too, as you pointed out.

[Red Zaku]

Surely Billy wouldnt use GN Flag as a base for Masurao...Masurao seems to be a completely new unit.On top of that...lets face it,GN Flag wasnt the most successful ms in S1.

>.> I disagree. In fact here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/redxiv/lineart/masurao.jpg
Masurao

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4724/grahamacrenz3.jpg
First Custom Flag.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/175/gnflagmm6.jpg
GN Flag.

>.> I see a hell of a lot of similarities.

[Diceman]

>.> I disagree. In fact here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/redxiv/lineart/masurao.jpg
Masurao

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4724/grahamacrenz3.jpg
First Custom Flag.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/175/gnflagmm6.jpg
GN Flag.

>.> I see a hell of a lot of similarities.

Well,they both have similar designs(short chest;long,sleek legs,etc..)
Didn't the older Union MS' share a similar design?

[BlackSmoke]

it pisses me off how theyve basically given him the shaft for the entire season...they coulda done so much more with him. He hardly even appears on the show, and for what? shit characters like Saji and Rouisu? He really needs more focus and development.

Show would be boring if they over used their most bad ass character :gar

[crabman]

Yep. Graham is season 2's Patrick. He serves no real purpose to plot. He will somehow fight Setsuna to a stand still here, disappear for 5 episodes, and come back with a better suit later. It will be Ali's turn to fight Setsuna again. :lmao

Seriously, I agree with what someone else wrote. Too many characters on this show.

Lol, I thought Patrick was season 2's Patrick.

Man, even though that guy has nothing to do with anything he's like the most likable guy on the show...

[Graham Aker]

Looks like the Masurao is really just a better, or perfected(?), version of the GN Flag. Mister was still suffering from the G's.

[Zaoldyeck]

fuck yeah Trans-GRAHam


too bad he barely appears, instead, sunrise says: here, have some more of kaji and louise :facepalm

[Silvermateus]

well this is similar to part one of gundam 00, all season the Solar Drive was getting CB out of tight spots and then everyone got it, and CB got trans-am and owned. Now everyone is gonna get Trans-am after being owned by it all season, and CB get the 00-Raiser which is like Mega Trans-am and own some more.... seems a bit repetitive :)

[Graham Aker]

Only the Innovators, Ali and Louise will probably get Trans-Am. This season has shown that the A-LAWS can defeat Gundams through stategy. Like during the assault on Lagrange 3 where they nearly won if not for the 00 Raiser. Really, 00 Raiser' the only Gundam they need Trans-Am to deal with. And it's most likely that it's going to be the Innovators/Louise who'll fight it. And Mister Bushido of course.

The Empruss can pretty much deal with the rest.

[Cain]

Trans-Am is only for Celestial Being. I find it hard for the Innovators to beat the best system of Trans-Am.

[JujuXChoJu]

I think this is will be later help or destory the gundam in the later plot.
I hope this can combine with gundam trans-arm and from a beastie fusion.

[son_michael]

Lol, I thought Patrick was season 2's Patrick.

Man, even though that guy has nothing to do with anything he's like the most likable guy on the show...


he's pretty freakin amazing....I mean he got mannequin to actually be his unofficial g/f....and she's his commander:laugh

[Logic]

Only the Innovators, Ali and Louise will probably get Trans-Am. This season has shown that the A-LAWS can defeat Gundams through stategy. Like during the assault on Lagrange 3 where they nearly won if not for the 00 Raiser. Really, 00 Raiser' the only Gundam they need Trans-Am to deal with. And it's most likely that it's going to be the Innovators/Louise who'll fight it. And Mister Bushido of course.

The Empruss can pretty much deal with the rest.

If by strategy you mean numbers. Then yes i agree :zaru

[Wesley]

If by strategy you mean numbers. Then yes i agree :zaru

So I guess it's a safe bet they're not really breaking down the raw capability of Gundams in the briefing room or in simulators are they? That was one thing bothered me from last season. Only four Gundams in existence and they never really seemed to have built any tactical scenarios for taking them down. Like "this is what this Gundam does, this is what you should do relative to it in order to win. This is the enemy and this what we're going to do to prepare."

Basically stood around for an entire year without considering the mechanical limitations of their oppenents.

[BlackSmoke]

Trans-Am is only for Celestial Being. I find it hard for the Innovators to beat the best system of Trans-Am.

Exatcly noticed how 00 can do the molecular phase out, while The Masuro (SP?) can't. Can keep up in terms of speed but can't molecular phase out from what I can see. Would probably need 2 GN drives. Besides when you think about it this fight was like season's 1 final battle. Setsuna had fight ali and used up particles, also used up particles flying to africa. Didn't refeul and he was in bad shape himself. So one can deduct he was not figthing at his peak. Also on a final note he was rushed. So even though I love Graham. I think it's sensible to say 00 > Masuaro(SP?)

[son_michael]

So I guess it's a safe bet they're not really breaking down the raw capability of Gundams in the briefing room or in simulators are they? That was one thing bothered me from last season. Only four Gundams in existence and they never really seemed to have built any tactical scenarios for taking them down. Like "this is what this Gundam does, this is what you should do relative to it in order to win. This is the enemy and this what we're going to do to prepare."

Basically stood around for an entire year without considering the mechanical limitations of their oppenents.


I think you need to re watch season 1,specifically when they try to capture the gundams

[Wesley]

I think you need to re watch season 1,specifically when they try to capture the gundams

I think you do. Grunts repeatedly did stupid things in the show, using the same failed tactics over and over again. You'd think training would be expanded to encompass the new threat. "Don't fly directly at this one" "Keep away from that one" "This one is probably sitting around somewhere hiding, when it pops up, find him and suppress him" "This one is kind of conventional, so we'll rely on traditional dog-fighting tactics".

You know, tactical stuff that goes beyond simply the operation of their machines.

Overarching strategies are fine, but micro-managing your forces tends to hurt performance, rather than help.

[son_michael]

I think you do. Grunts repeatedly did stupid things in the show, using the same failed tactics over and over again. You'd think training would be expanded to encompass the new threat. "Don't fly directly at this one" "Keep away from that one" "This one is probably sitting around somewhere hiding, when it pops up, find him and suppress him" "This one is kind of conventional, so we'll rely on traditional dog-fighting tactics".

You know, tactical stuff that goes beyond simply the operation of their machines.

Overarching strategies are fine, but micro-managing your forces tends to hurt performance, rather than help.


im not talking about tactics, you said they didn't study anything about the gundams and im telling you they did

[Wesley]

im not talking about tactics, you said they didn't study anything about the gundams and im telling you they did

I am talking about tactics, which was never a topic of discussion in the first season. If they mentioned things like E-Carbon and GN-Particles, it was never in the context of how they would fight against them. Only that they were things they didn't have themselves.

[Red Zaku]

I am talking about tactics, which was never a topic of discussion in the first season.

Kati disagrees, and she doesn't like you now.

If they mentioned things like E-Carbon and GN-Particles, it was never in the context of how they would fight against them.

So that's why Sergei used tactical formations against ther thrones why tactical formations and planning to rotate units where used during the first co-operative attempt to capture Gundam's, why Healing Care and Kati planned a means of hurding Ptolemy so when it took off into space Healin could shoot it with the Gadessa's main gun? Hell, with a small force Kati has managed to rountinely make life tough for the Gundam pilots this season, though admittedly they've also begunt rhowing the newest models available to try and stop CB but that's the case with every Gundam.

Only that they were things they didn't have themselves.

x.x What the hell are you talking about now? But I do remember Sergei being the one to originate using the Gundam's mysterious GN particle to use as a means of tracking their movements, and I do recall it being used in the Desert as well.

[Wesley]

There's strategy and there's tactics. I don't know where to draw the line. I do know they never bothered to break down each Gundams capabilities and if they did, they didn't do it in the first twenty episodes. Certainly they never seemed to brief pilots on what exactly it was they were dealing with and what would get them killed if they screwed up.

[son_michael]

There's strategy and there's tactics. I don't know where to draw the line. I do know they never bothered to break down each Gundams capabilities and if they did, they didn't do it in the first twenty episodes. Certainly they never seemed to brief pilots on what exactly it was they were dealing with and what would get them killed if they screwed up.

yes they did....they knew tierra's gundam was a wide beam attack gundam and to get him at close range. They knew Allejuah's could transform and had short guns. They knew exia was equiped with blades and 2 beam swords and they knew lockon was the long range sniper


go watch the space battle where sergie tries to capture the gundams and the battle on earth where the gundams were saved by the thrones. They knew everything about Celestial beings gundams

[Wesley]

go watch the space battle where sergie tries to capture the gundams and the battle on earth where the gundams were saved by the thrones. They knew everything about Celestial beings gundams

Funny, they sure didn't act like it, with the Flag Fighters, a supposedly elite squadron, getting themselves shot down for doing stupid crap. Especially against largely known and familiar oppenents.

[son_michael]

Funny, they sure didn't act like it, with the Flag Fighters, a supposedly elite squadron, getting themselves shot down for doing stupid crap. Especially against largely known and familiar oppenents.

they did know...it was because of that stupid hot shot pilot rushing in that everybody else followed him. The original plan was to stay in formation and execute w/e plan to get lockon, they knew he had long range sniper fire



and Remember patrick? yeah he practically had an entire plan made just for tierra's gundam

[Wesley]

they did know...it was because of that stupid hot shot pilot rushing in that everybody else followed him. The original plan was to stay in formation and execute w/e plan to get lockon, they knew he had long range sniper fire



and Remember patrick? yeah he practically had an entire plan made just for tierra's gundam

Prove it. I'm not giving credit where it isn't due.

[son_michael]

prove it? go watch it and there's your proof

[Wesley]

prove it? go watch it and there's your proof

I know exactly what you're talking about. You're making assumptions that they were actually briefed on the Gundams. Fine, they're flying in formation. That's supposed to indicate a plan of attack? Maybe they were just flying in formation because that's what they saw in the recruitment films? Or maybe that it simply looked cool to them?

[son_michael]

I know exactly what you're talking about. You're making assumptions that they were actually briefed on the Gundams. Fine, they're flying in formation. That's supposed to indicate a plan of attack? Maybe they were just flying in formation because that's what they saw in the recruitment films? Or maybe that it simply looked cool to them?



your kidding right?:notrust they were in a formation to take out the sniping gundam but the whole thing was ruined because of an idiot in the ranks




and patrick was obviously briefed on tierra's gundam because as I said he had a whole plan for capturing it