Gundam 00 S2 episode 15 "Victory Song of the Resistance" (反抗の凱歌)

[Blaze of Glory]

G00 S2 Ep 15 Victory song of the resistance

Episode synopsis

After receiving Kataron's resupply, the Ptolemaios 2 continues with their self-repairs, while on the move in order to break the Federation’s seige, but they require the assistance of the 00 Gundam to do so. However, Setsuna has yet to return from his battle with Ali. While forced into a defensive position, The Ptolemaios 2 receives information that political turmoil has broken out within the Federation over the illegal actions caused by the A-Laws'.

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Recap

Last time on 00

-Thanks to the efforts of Lockon 2 the Innovators Death Star was destroyed ^.^

- After being attacked by the Innovators the crew finds themselves on earth seperated from Setsuna.

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- Anew and Lockon2 become closer

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-Saji cries

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- Kataron plans to align themselves with the coup d' etat

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- Setsuna chases after Ali and discovers a frightening revelation

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- Is it true?

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- No he was just the pilot of the 0 Gundam that saved Setsuna when he was Ali's bitch

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- SEXY! Setsuna needs step his game up ^.^

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- I would too Bushido I would too :amuse

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This episode is guaranteed to be filled with win and mobile suits of awesome omega levels. * v *

[Moon Light]

Some of Mr.Bushidos New Mobile Suit would be neat.

[Rob`]

haha when i saw the i am your father pic i thought id missed an episode rofl

anyways what time are subs typically released? i only caught up with gundam 00 a few days ago so this is the first one ive had to wait for an episode^^

[Nightfall]

Looking forward to this episode... and lol at the pictures^^

A thing didn't like about last episode, was the singing part towards the end of the series.. Somehow it seems to remind me of something I didn't like. Not in opposition against pacifism, but come on.... this isn't irl:pek

And Rob I'm not sure, it seems to vary a lot depending on how fast the subbers are... sometimes they are slow. But I'm not sure really, haven't really bothered to camp each sunday to know exactly when they are released:=)

Offtopic:
That pic in your avatar btw, brilliant vampire movie^^ Especially considering it comes from scandinavia. We Nordic people rarely ever make notable movies:D And ''good'' vampire movies are so rare:cry

[Rob`]

ye i thought it was best film of 2008 tbh

you're the first person to notice though, everyone else are uneducated swines!

[Aeon]

haha when i saw the i am your father pic i thought id missed an episode rofl

anyways what time are subs typically released? i only caught up with gundam 00 a few days ago so this is the first one ive had to wait for an episode^^

Subs usually appear Sunday afternoon.

[Rob`]

Subs usually appear Sunday afternoon.

ok thanks :)

[Triste Morningstar]

Having just watched the entirety of Gundam 00 up until this point in a crazy marathon run, I would have to say that this episode needs moar Shirin.

[Graham Aker]

I'm curious to see how Setsuna is doing. He got shot by a friggin' GN bullet. I some how get the feeling that he might die, I dunno. It's not really deadly but I'm just reminded of Neil, who also got a taste of those nasty red particles.

And lawl @ those pics.

[NU-KazeKage]

is freshverse showing it tonight

[Blaze of Glory]

^

No because the host of the website is a douche

[Aeon]

is freshverse showing it tonight

^

No because the host of the website is a douche

Ironically, last week they did show 00.

[SilentBobX]

None of the streams work! :argh (well... Except freshverse.)

[NU-KazeKage]

showing stupid golf :(

[Blaze of Glory]

^

Holy shit are you serious?

Damn I take it back I thought the dude who doesn't show them was a smelly douche

[Blaze of Glory]

It's on baby :LOS

[Aeon]

It's on Freshverse again, for those who don't know.

[Blaze of Glory]

Hey Trivia time real quick which chick do you think has the best tits in the opening? :jk

[Blaze of Glory]

Ahahha

Wang Liu Mei keepin her mouth shut cuz she knows she might get smacked again :lmao

[Aeon]

Setsuna returns to Marina. :awesome

[Aeon]

Hey Trivia time real quick which chick do you think has the best tits in the opening? :jk

I don't like the nakedness in the opening. :zaru

[SilentBobX]

Hey Trivia time real quick which chick do you think has the best tits in the opening? :jk


Feldt! :LOS And I think she's reaching for Setsuna at the end of the OP. Just a thought...

[Aeon]

Feldt! :LOS

She is the one that shows off the most in the opening. :hmm

[Aeon]

Patrick giving advice? :lmao

[Blaze of Glory]

Yawn boring boring :(

Me wanna see fight blood and lots of blood :(

[SilentBobX]

Oh, Shit it's Fruit man! (Wow at these commercials...)

[Aeon]

The action will probably come at the end of the episode, as usual...

[Blaze of Glory]

Patrick giving advice? :lmao

Because he's been getting "Some" from the Captain :zaru

[Aeon]

I guess Setsuna is dreaming. I thought he'd be actually exploring.

[Blaze of Glory]

So Marina is a Relena wannabe :zaru

[Aeon]

Cue the action?

[Blaze of Glory]

Da holy fucking hell? :uwah

GO LOCKON2! Nice tactic!

[Aeon]

Heh, Celestial Being fired the first shot. :zaru

[Blaze of Glory]

Damn Tieria got owned :lmao

[Aeon]

Oh great. Two of them got caught...

[SilentBobX]

man, they are screwed.

[Blaze of Glory]

Saji it's Louise go to her you dumb bitch :awesome

[Aeon]

Go Setsuna!

[Blaze of Glory]

LOL

I didn't know Setsuna was just like Solid snake :zaru

[Blaze of Glory]

Da fuck Marie is taking action :uwah

[Aeon]

So the coup has started? :hmm

[Blaze of Glory]

It's da end song... :huh

:headscrat

What da fuck?

It's like a mix of Kidz bop and Pokemon

[Aeon]

Oh, so this is the new ending...

[SilentBobX]

Oh, Bushido! TRANS-AM!!?

[Blaze of Glory]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

IT HAS BEGUN!

THE BATTLE BETWEEN THE TWO TITANS! SETSUNA AND MR. BUSHIDO! :evil

[Aeon]

Mistah Bushido! Now with fake Trans-Am. :zaru

[Moon Light]

:nuts Mr. Bushido masarao is fast and can us TransAm. Lol at Lockon interupting the announcement for the attack. Cant wait for next week :laugh

[Blaze of Glory]

New ending is meh

Mr. Bushido vs. Setsuna is gonna be :gar

[Aeon]

Looks like Setsuna loses or Mistah Bushido retreats. :hmm

[NU-KazeKage]

well that ending hinted at alot lol and i knew bushido was getting a fake transam not only is that the only way to fight it its then next logical step for them figure out how to maximize thier drives. and bf gf wise looks like only felt is left out if you go by the hints in the ending

[Stallyns808]

Wow, that is one gay ending song. Though somehow, I actually like it better than the new opening song. They finally reveal who was behind that sheet with their hand caressing Lyle's face. I'm not 100 percent sure, but I think it looked like Anew by that quick flash of hair I caught a glimpse of.

Anyways, when I saw Marie with the pilot suit on I was hoping we'd finally get to see the GN Archer in action. But the A-LAWS just had to fucking turn around just 'cause of some god damn coup de tat. I also find it total BS that Grahamshido's new MS can trans-am. It better have a time limit where once it uses up all its GN particles, the suit is fucked already.

[Graham Aker]

Eifman > Aeolia :LOS

Figured out Trans-Am even before he got the chance to study a GN Drive.
Of course, Billy gets some credit as well.

And Louise' eyes are glowing, it'll be interesting when she fights Soma, who btw, I'm glad is finally joining the fight and sortieing in that oh so sexy GN Archer. :ohpek

Empress is fucking badass.

Looks like Setsuna loses or Mistah Bushido retreats. :hmm
Probably Setsuna when both their MS' run out of juice. Masurao's being the worst since the Tau GN Drives can't produce their own energy and need to be recharged. Lawl, it might fall from the sky like a mosquito getting a Raid shower.

Mister can't fight because his unit shuts down and Setsuna retreats, is what I think will happen.

Edit: Burst Mode, is what it's called, not Trans-Am. So it's like the Coke Lite version of Trans-Am.

[Aeon]

Oh, it's called Burst Mode? Guess we couldn't go around calling it Fake Trans-Am. :zaru

[Graham Aker]

Aye :edu

Hmm, there's also the possibility of Mister letting Setsuna go because he's injured. Mister's minds eye is quite sharp after all.

[ChocolateBar999]

Somehow I'm seeing the fake Trans-Am failing hard for the sheer fact that it's a inadequate copy of the real efficient one. I mean what's Billy thinking? Aeolia was a man way ahead of his time and perfected his system. All Billy is doing is copying (but we'll see how well it works)

[Aeon]

Somehow I'm seeing the fake Trans-Am failing hard for the sheer fact that it's a inadequate copy of the real efficient one. I mean what's Billy thinking? Aeolia was a man way ahead of his time and perfected his system. All Billy is doing is copying (but we'll see how well it works)

Yeah, I'll be disappointed if there isn't a greater drawback to using this Burst Mode than Trans-Am since it is after all a fake GN Drive.

[blah604]

Pics + summary (http://blah604.wordpress.com/2009/01/18/gundam-00-season-episode-15/)

[Masurao]

Lol @ Graham having a fake Trans-am. The new ending was....interesting. Seems like the person with Lyle was Anew after all. :zaru

At least I think I saw her hair.:hurr

[Aeon]

It also looks like her jacket that's lying next to Lockon's. :zaru

[Donkey Show]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H92hmIDCVmg

MASURAO NO OUGI BITCHES!!!

God that suit is hawt secks. :bmgai

[qks]

HOLY SHITsetsuna just craped himself

[Rukia]

It also looks like her jacket that's lying next to Lockon's. :zaruI'm in favor of it.

And I give the writer's credit for having the guts to go into a different direction. It was a foregone conclusion during the first 14 episodes that a Feldt/Lyle relationship was going to be forced on us at some point...I'm glad that doesn't appear to be the case. Seriously, they haven't interacted in around 10 episodes. They haven't spoken since the slap. Throwing them together would be a poor choice.

[Zoidberg]

I actually agree with Rukia, LyleXAnew is pretty good. Unfortunately the shippers are going to go batshit insane over this...

On the episode, Mister Bushido finally fighting with his new mech. For some reason I see him shutting down his fake transm-am mid-fight because he thinks its dishonoarble or some such belief. And the Empress was cooler than I expected.

[Wesley]

Here's to Kataron rushing in to steal all the credit at the last moment.

[Rukia]

What is Sergei's involvement in the rebellion? Is he helping Hercules (lol)? Or did he just know about the plot and do nothing to stop it?

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

So Louise is a cyber-newtype? If that's the case, she's got a tombstone with her name written on it. She'll die in that new Mobile Armor of hers, for sure.

[Zoidberg]

What is Sergei's involvement in the rebellion? Is he helping Hercules (lol)? Or did he just know about the plot and do nothing to stop it?

I believe he's going to play the charismatic leader who 'denounces' the government and leads the army against them or something like that.

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Lacus Clyne > Sergei, though. Hes not exactly Mr. Galaxy, is he?

[ChocolateBar999]

I actually agree with Rukia, LyleXAnew is pretty good. Unfortunately the shippers are going to go batshit insane over this...
They seem to forget that he has a gun on him as well :wink
Don't know what that means but............

On the episode, Mister Bushido finally fighting with his new mech. For some reason I see him shutting down his fake transm-am mid-fight because he thinks its dishonoarble or some such belief. And the Empress was cooler than I expected.
Or it might just blow up and cease to function being that it's a copy, however if that's not the case I see Mister Bushido being the only pilot to have Trans-Am for the rest of the season for the sheer fact it'll be a bit cheap if everyone had Trans-Am just like last season with the fake GN-drives

[Zoidberg]

Lacus Clyne > Sergei, though. Hes not exactly Mr. Galaxy, is he?

What are you talking about? The scars are very manly.

We shouldn't pass judgement on the fake trans-am just yet. They might just make us go WTF? When it turns out Billy's version is superior.

[ChocolateBar999]

We shouldn't pass judgement on the fake trans-am just yet. They might just make us go WTF? When it turns out Billy's version is superior.
I know but I'm still doubtful, remember Aeolia was a man ahead of his time so he made sure he perfected the GN-DRIVE so that it couldn't be copied perfectly and tested the Trans-Am feature to a similar extent so for Billy (or should I say Eifman) to make a fake GN-DRIVE along with a Trans-Am feature as well doesn't seem perfected in a sense although it may start kicking ass they'll always be a drawback for it not being exactly the same. This isn't new since there has been alot of moments where the original nominated the pretender and I think we got a glimpse of the GN Drive full potential with the 00 Riser.

[Wesley]

I know but I'm still doubtful, remember Aeolia was a man ahead of his time so he made sure he perfected the GN-DRIVE so that it couldn't be copied perfectly and tested the Trans-Am feature to a similar extent so for Billy (or should I say Eifman) to make a fake GN-DRIVE along with a Trans-Am feature as well doesn't seem perfected in a sense although it may start kicking ass they'll always be a drawback for it not being exactly the same. This isn't new since there has been alot of moments where the original nominated the pretender and I think we got a glimpse of the GN Drive full potential with the 00 Riser.

No, he wasn't. He was an evil man who had the guts to follow through on things that others had already thought of. Not to mention a technological base to work with. What an assf-.

What are you talking about? The scars are very manly.

Sergei's been a piece of shit ever since he let Soma go. Lacus at least has her enigmatomny to fall back on. What's Sergei got? A worthless sense of honor and a moustache?

[Zoidberg]

I know but I'm still doubtful, remember Aeolia was a man ahead of his time so he made sure he perfected the GN-DRIVE so that it couldn't be copied perfectly and tested the Trans-Am feature to a similar extent so for Billy (or should I say Eifman) to make a fake GN-DRIVE along with a Trans-Am feature as well doesn't seem perfected in a sense although it may start kicking ass they'll always be a drawback for it not being exactly the same. This isn't new since there has been alot of moments where the original nominated the pretender and I think we got a glimpse of the GN Drive full potential with the 00 Riser.

Well, nothing in science is perfect, there'll always be a flaw that can be improved, so for all we know Billy's version is better.

[Wesley]

Well, nothing in science is perfect, there'll always be a flaw that can be improved, so for all we know Billy's version is better.

No, there's always compromises that can be made. Billy can't just make something better because there's always room for improvement. He can make something that's bigger, or smaller, but not something that's more powerful unless Sunrise breaks it's own rule regarding the real GN-Drives and their hax abilities.

Billy would have to be able to build one of those to truly surprass the real Gundams and that's not going to happen unless Sunrise cheats itself.

[Rukia]

Soma and Saji is a friendship they have really been pushing. Seriously, these two have become like best friends. I guess it's been done intentionally since they are the two "new" people with Celestial Being.

Geez, Graham. He's been worthless this season. Is he seriously going to be content with being a pilot and rival to Setsuna? There is nothing bigger planned for him?

I think I like the green haired female Innovator the most out of that group. (Not saying much.) But hey...at least she has a personality.

Is Anew Returner an Innovator or not? And if she is...is she like Tieria and has no knowledge of being one? Seriously, there have been good opportunities to betray Celestial Being already.

[Tachi67]

Once again, more copying. First they copy and make fake GN-Drives. Now they fake Trans-AM. Jeez, what they need is a brain of their own.

[RAGING BONER]

Eifman > Aeolia :LOS

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how can you even say that? Areola planned out the destiny of mankind for the next half millenia, designed not one, but 2 new types of inexhaustible engine technologies ON PAPER (cuz its not like his old ass went to jupiter), created a new species of human, designed a 200 year old super computer that is still cutting edge centuries later and put it inside the moon without anyone noticing...oh yeah, he also convinced 200+ scientists to give up their lives and go live in deep space for a few centuries....



meanwhile Eifman couldnt even keep hackers out of his windows Mojave, nor did he predict his inevitable "ganking" at the hands of rouge gundams.


Eifman's a n00blet pure and simple. Areola is god tier. He's like Thanos on crack.

[Logic]

Subs out yet D:

[Graham Aker]

windows
Not his fault. :pek

:facepalm

[ssouske]

hnnn... somehow i think the masurao might end up like the GN flag... that trans-am system will have some problems... mainly because the tau drives need to be recharged right?

anyway, OO Raiser's Trans-am is hax... mr aker has not seen the quantizising haxxor abilities that OO Raiser has...

[Rukia]

Subs out yet D:Nope. And frankly..I don't blame the subbers. I wouldn't be in a hurry to sub the episode either.

[RAGING BONER]

Nope. And frankly..I don't blame the subbers. I wouldn't be in a hurry to sub the episode either.

to be frank this Gundam had the ingredients to be one of the most epic gundams ever...the execution was so poor on the plot and character development side that it all went to shit though.

anybody know if the writer/director is new at this?


I'm just content that it seems to be picking up on the action side of things from now on...but the story/characters are just bleh.


i mean c'mon Bushido is the worst developed, most under used masked man EVER! Destiny included.

[Rukia]

i mean c'mon Bushido is the worst developed, most under used masked man EVER! Destiny included.AMEN. And this point is inarguable. He's been gone for like 5 episodes and he is immediately stale as soon as he returns! He is doing the same thing he has done the entire series. He's content with ignoring the world and the conflicts within it. Fighting Setsuna is his only reason for living? That's stupid. And it makes him look like a complete douchebag.

I don't particularly like his new mobile suit either. It looks stupid with the horns.

As much as it pains me to admit it...the only characters that I find interesting at this point are: Anew, Marie, Saji, the Innovators (some of them), Sergei, Lyle, and Nena. I'm tired of basically everyone else.

[Graham Aker]

After listening the ED again, I'd say it's probably the best ED G00's ever had. Beats out Prototype and Friends by a mile.

Though, quite ominous to see the imagery of Gundams being horribly damaged.
Awesome LyleXAnew though. Nekkid Anew behind the curtains. :druul

hnnn... somehow i think the masurao might end up like the GN flag... that trans-am system will have some problems... mainly because the tau drives need to be recharged right?
It won't have problems otherwise Billy wouldn't have given Mister the go signal to take off with it. He and his team most likely and logically have tested the MS and system so as to make sure it won't have any problems during it's operation.

And it has been speculated that the Masurao is packing more than 1 GN Drive, or GN condensers that store GN Particles. The strange cones on the hips and the shoulders are speculated to be either of the 2.

So, when Burst Mode ends, and all the energy in the GNT on it's back has been used, it won't just drop because it has back ups.

And the GN Flag didn't really have any problems, as far as being able to operate is concerned. However, in order to give Graham a weapon with which he can use to damage the Gundams, they had to overhaul the Flag and remove the verniers from it's back which gave it it's speed and manoeuvrability. So hmmm, I suppose that was it's problem then.

anyway, OO Raiser's Trans-am is hax... mr aker has not seen the quantizising haxxor abilities that OO Raiser has...
True, it'll be interesting to see how he deals with the Quantization. Perhaps he might be able to predict Setsuna's movements with his mind's eye? We shall see.

[Rukia]

Yeah. Lyle did pretty well for himself if he manages to find time to have sex with Anew between all of these battles. I noticed that he was holding a gun initially when she grabbed him. Possibly backs up the theory that she is an Innovator but doesn't know it. Still...I think she's better looking than Feldt. He made the right choice.

I hope they have time to actually cram the fanservice into an episode. I would like to see Anew walking around without pants on for a while. Is that too much to ask? -shrug-

I also like the new ending. It's much better than the new opening.

[RAGING BONER]

Setsuna is such a shit pilot that Bushido doesn't need more than a regular tranny to keep up with his "haxx quantum GN super trans amwhateverthefuck"

the telepathy is the only thing that might catch him off guard a bit...

[Graham Aker]

I hope they have time to actually cram the fanservice into an episode. I would like to see Anew walking around without pants on for a while. Is that too much to ask? -shrug-
S2 has very little to no fanservice. So, I doubt we'd ever see something remotely close to that. :(

Setsuna is such a shit pilot that Bushido doesn't need more than a regular tranny to keep up with his "haxx quantum GN super trans amwhateverthefuck"
Oh I don't know about that. I think he's gotten loads better. Pushing Ali to a corner that he'd take a hostage, I think says a lot of how Setsuna has improved. And he was injured too. GNT wound, corrupting his cells, breaking his body.

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

I've just said to my friend earlier tonight that Part Two is quite inferior to Part One, I'm surprised but glad there are others who also think this. I think one of the main problems is that they are far too many characters. Each good guy might get half an episode's worth of development every 6 episodes or so, it's really terrible.

The Antagonists are even worse. They're rarely ever on screen together, and they get the focus shifted onto another one every 2 or so episodes. Just as things are building up with Louise at the start, Ali takes over, then Kati, then the Innovators, then Ali again, now Mister Bushido has his two minutes of fame (for such an interesting and fucking awesome character in Part One they have really fucked him over), before we will most likely go onto Louise again and her inevitable death in this new MA of hers, and we're supposed to feel for her death when she's only had importance in about 3 episodes of the series so far? Andrei Smirnov hasn't even had a whisper of importance or plot related to him, or even good piloting skills. The man is just a grunt with a name. Don't get me started on the stale Colasour, who's never been important to the plot ever, and his claim to fame is being a loser.

I can't believe they killed off Howard Mason and Daryll Dodge for these guys. The Flag Fighters were awesome. They fought with honor, skill and talent. Howard dies and Graham swears on his grave that he will defeat the Gundams with a Flag. He gets the chance to pilot a GN-X, an upgraded suit, but he turns it down because of his oath. That is character loyalty and development. Daryll Dodge accepts the offer, but realises he has turned his back on his Captain and his deceased comrade, and can't face them again unless he beats one of the Gundams in a GN-X. That is more character importance, relevance, and plot. He even stands up for Akre when Colasour calls him a pussy (lulz hypocrite). More character relevance, development, and plot.

When he realises he made the wrong decision to turn his back on his captain, he goes on a Kamikaze run, and basically dies for the ideals his Captain etched into his brain. AGAIN, more character relevance, importance, development and plot, and I don't think many people even caught onto that sub-plot as there were other things going on.

Where the hell has this sort of stuff been in Part Two?

Mind you, I thought Part One only started to get interesting when the Thrones came in, and that was at this same stage in the last season. It can still improve a lot, but it needs a lot more help than you'd think. When is Setsuna going to tell people that he has this grudge agsinst Saachez because he made him kill his own parents? The rest of Celestial Being would understand him so much more if he did.

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Anyway, the only person I like after watching Part Two so far is Allelujah, because he got some pussy. This is a Gundam show, which in it's 30 years has had MANY awesome and interesting characters, and the most significant thing I found about someone in 00 part Two is that someone got some pussy. If that's not showing the bad state the character development has been left in, then I don't know what is. I thought Akre and Saachez were awesome characters in Part One, but they've been made into pantomime villains this series.

Like my 8th Edit: I forgot about Lindt getting his two episodes of infamy as well. Shows how important he was.

[Logic]

Setsuna is such a shit pilot that Bushido doesn't need more than a regular tranny to keep up with his "haxx quantum GN super trans amwhateverthefuck"

the telepathy is the only thing that might catch him off guard a bit...

I don't think hes that bad anymore.

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

He's not shit, but the fact it took him 40 episodes to do something that actually required some skill and made people think 'wow, that's somewhat impressive' is a detriment against him.

[Logic]

He's not shit, but the fact it took him 40 episodes to do something that actually required some skill and made people think 'wow, that's somewhat impressive' is a detriment against him.

Well he isn't exactly Heero Yuy but at the same time he hasn't had training like that either. Do you expect to pull super skills out of nowhere? That would be much, much worse :facepalm.

[Wesley]

It just doesn't speak well of Celestial Being's recruiting standards. I suppose it makes sense for a secret organization to have a limited recruitment pool, but then you have to ask yourself, how can an organization stay secret then when it's members are less than virutous? How can they function at all let alone develope cutting edge weapons?

One thing they're trying to do with the second season, it seems to me, is that they're trying to make it less morally ambigous. Celestial Being is in a more sympathetic position this time around, while the opposition are clearly all jerks. They had to add three characters to Celestial Being's ranks to make them even remotely likeable by comparison. It's not an exaggeration to say Soma's convinent loss is Celestial Being's gain, even disregarding her martial skills.

They didn't give perspective on what they were doing in the first season, and now they're practically the good guys by default even though they haven't done or said anything to earn that position.

But again, I haven't watched an episode since episode 10. No reason to think this has really changed though.

[Biolink]

Setsuna is such a shit pilot that Bushido doesn't need more than a regular tranny to keep up with his "haxx quantum GN super trans amwhateverthefuck"

the telepathy is the only thing that might catch him off guard a bit...

Have you been watching the same series?

He just owned Ali who was btw thought to be the best Pilot in the series. Setsuna right now is arguably the best pilot in 00.

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1) Regarding Protagonist development:

Kind of a legit complaint maybe more of a personal complain, but I do acknowledge it. I actually think they've done a great developing the characters, especially given more recent Gundam series. I honestly haven't seen Turn-A, but this series has the best character development I can remember since probably Gundam X. On the whole, this idea that Gundam has Earth shattering character development and writing just because it is a 30 year old series is wildly exaggerated. Gundam has never really been known for great character development. It's always been more of an action series, with character development on the backburner, so for the series to make it that far in terms of character development is a pretty decent accomplishment for Gundam.

2) Regarding Antagonist Development:

Complaining about them showing up every episode or so may be a legit complaint. Complaining about them not being developed good enough, doesn't really have merit. We already know Louise's back story, Kati's back story, and the Innovator's reason for doing what they are doing. Maybe the only wildcard is Ali, as I believe that he has much deeper reason's behind his war mongering than just "Following where the money is".

2a) I dunno why people are expecting more, but Graham is EXACTLY the same character he was in S1. Same egotistical, stubborn, selfish person he was in Season 1, except this time he actually has rank, so he has the authority to do what he wants and not get in trouble.

In this Season so far, at any time he could have jumped in the fight and gotten in an GN-XIII to help fight the Gundams, but instead he lets the body count rise on his side, while he was waiting for his Mobile Suit the Masarau(sp?) to be built, just to settle a personal vendetta with Setsuna.

In S1 he uses the excuse of his fellow "Flag Fighters" as an excu... err motivation to push his infatuation with defeating Exia over the edge. He lets the body count on his side rise. He could have piloted a GN-X, but instead he decides to pilot his GN Overflag, which at best is only faster, and possibly has stronger melee than a GN-X. Letting more people on his side die, for a Mobile Suit that has minute upgrades in terms of performance, doesn't justify the long wait it took him in order to fight. And he ONLY goes after Setsuna, except for the 1 or 2 times for lack of a better choice he went after Lockon. Mizushima has already went through this about Graham before S2 even started.

Yeah Right... "Honorable" Flag Fighter... My ass...

Dude has done NOTHING to the Ptolemy. Hasn't even engaged Allelujah or Tieria iirc(And if he engaged Tieria it was very briefly), saw Howard die with his own eyes at the hands of Zwei, comes out when he happens to be attacked and for self-defense fights Throne-Eins, didn't even see Daryl's death, and he STILL is specifically aiming for Setsuna.


"Honorable" Flag Fighter... Okay. If you want to go against everything that was shown in the series, and what has even been outright stated by Mizushima.

The rest isn't even worth addressing.

Gundam has had good characters IMO yes, logical development I don't agree.

Let's look at Kamille's story in Zeta.

Kamille in the 1st half:

"OMG I hate my Girl's name! Every Adult is out to get me! I act Childish and punch people in the face for minor insults, and steal Mobile Suits just because I was insulted"

Kamille in the 2nd half:

"I am what I am".

Same thing for Amuro

"OMG that girl is HOT, OMG the Adults want take the Rx-78-2 away from me!"

"I am who I am".

Gundam has never been that good in the way of character development. A lot have been better than other's, but few have actually truly shined in the character development department, with LOGICAL development, and not something that was basically narrowed down from a Teenager simply maturing into a person that accepts himself(Basically a "Growing up" story with mecha).


They didn't give perspective on what they were doing in the first season, and now they're practically the good guys by default even though they haven't done or said anything to earn that position.


How many times has Red told you?

They've already admitted that they screwed up big by their actions in the first season, and directly caused the creation of the A-Laws. That's why they are trying to destroy the A-Laws. They may never be able to fully atone for creating the A-Laws, but they can only handle what's within their ability, and right now they have the ability to destroy the A-Laws. Even the Federation is planning on backstabbing the A-Laws, since the A-Laws have now even breached outside of Federation control so clearly what they are doing can't be that bad, if the A-Laws are so evil that even their ally wants to back stab them now.

[Diceman]

Still no subs?

[Altron]

Still no subs?

Sadly not yet :(

[IchiTenshou]

FINALLY ^^
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[Red Zaku]

Good rant biolink you saved me a lot of trouble. I thank you sir.

[Wesley]

How many times has Red told you?

He's on my ignore list for interpersonal reasons. Not that I don't care what he says, he's just a big jerk as far as I'm concerned.

They've already admitted that they screwed up big by their actions in the first season, and directly caused the creation of the A-Laws. That's why they are trying to destroy the A-Laws. They may never be able to fully atone for creating the A-Laws, but they can only handle what's within their ability, and right now they have the ability to destroy the A-Laws. Even the Federation is planning on backstabbing the A-Laws, since the A-Laws have now even breached outside of Federation control so clearly what they are doing can't be that bad, if the A-Laws are so evil that even their ally wants to back stab them now.

An admission of wrong doing by one irrelevant muscle-head and taking a stance of accepting responsibility is not the same as being good or right. They were wrong then and they are wrong now. They're evil as they've always been. Only this time they have a f-ing mecha purpose built for a marketing campaign.

As for the A-Laws, so what? A proto-type military unit created as a result of a New World Order being forcibly instigated ends up running amok? Is this supposed to be particularly surprising to me?

And what are you supposed to do when a terrorist group with deeply entrenched connections in various intelligence agencies, corporate interests, a f-ing super computer that predicts everything, and a small military unit using advanced technology that's nearly impossible to interdict?

Drown them in a sea of blood if necessary, but they didn't have the guts to do it the pansies!

[Tempest]

Hmm, I knew Bushido`s new MS had a pseudo Trans-Am. I called it, and didn`t want it to be true.

That`s so... lame. It`s not cool seeing cool mobile suits in one color hue. I like the 00 Raiser and the Masurao in their standard color schemes.

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Biolink, you've taken everything I said and just exaggerated it for the sake of arguing. I'd do a proper response, but I'd just be saying that first sentence many times over. I didn't even want to reply but then Red Zaku came along so I felt that as you're not as much of an annoyance as him (He's like a school prefect getting in everybody's business for no reason believing his opinions are always the correct one), you deserve one at least.

Here's an example.

Me: This is a Gundam show, which in it's 30 years has had MANY awesome and interesting characters

You: On the whole, this idea that Gundam has Earth shattering character development and writing just because it is a 30 year old series is wildly exaggerated.

...Yeah.

[Goodfellow]

He's on my ignore list for interpersonal reasons. Not that I don't care what he says, he's just a big jerk as far as I'm concerned

Pity, I was starting to enjoy your daily debates:lmao.

Didn't read them though, but it seemed as if the two of you were perfect for each other:wtf

[Wesley]

Pity, I was starting to enjoy your daily debates:lmao.

Didn't read them though, but it seemed as if the two of you were perfect for each other:wtf

I wouldn't mind him so much if he didn't seem to be on some personal quest to destroy me. No, I'm not exaggerating and no, I'm not flattering myself. He's even said he intends to counter my every move. Fine, I bullshit alot. I'm practically running a smear campaign against the series for crying out loud.

That, as far as I'm concerned, should only mean I shouldn't be taken completely serious, even though I am, believe it or not, capable of being very serious. It just doesn't suit me personally to be in, order to spare myself the embarassment. Right or wrong.

[qks]

lol just watched one sub, called it trans-Graham


made me spit out my drink

[reaperunique]

just finished episode 15, so since grahammister uses a fake GN-drive is it save to presume that his trans-Am is fake as well, so not as strong as the real thing?

If so, the only reason why setsuna could possibly lose is because he has less experience then mister, right?

I mean OO raiser can fucking dematerialize. I doubt mister can do the same.

[Donkey Show]

I mean OO raiser can fucking dematerialize. I doubt mister can do the same.
Kawamiri no jutsu. I'm calling it right now. :zaru

[Wesley]

just finished episode 15, so since grahammister uses a fake GN-drive is it save to presume that his trans-Am is fake as well, so not as strong as the real thing?

If so, the only reason why setsuna could possibly lose is because he has less experience then mister, right?

I mean OO raiser can fucking dematerialize. I doubt mister can do the same.

Just to show you how stupid this show is, he'll take OO Raiser out in one swift, killing stroke, as all true samurai swordmasters are capable of doing, destroying one GN-Drive, allowing Mr. Bushido to have his stupid honour back, while Setsuna walks away into Exia's waiting arms, wiser and more powerful for the loss. Credits roll and either Mr. Bushido is dead or we simply never see him again.

The only loss Celestial Being will suffer is the fact things will no longer be a cake walk for them, which is fine since they're going to join the coup, and when it's all said and done, betray or be betrayed by those that were their allies.

[Sander RX]

Umm reaperunique,fake Drives were never wealer than original Drives...

[son_michael]

im shocked....there was actually some setsuna and marina pairing development in this ep:amazed


I dunno about you guys but I am not looking foward to bushido's fight with setsuna...setsuna being injured is gonna suck and bushido's fake trans am is most likely gonna fail....its just a waste of time




right now the most enjoyment im getting out of this series is watching how CB narrowly escapes defeat every time thanks to kujo's brilliant tactics

[reaperunique]

Umm reaperunique,fake Drives were never weaker than original Drives...

well, didn't they say that those fake drives don't work as long or something along those lines?

Edit: I'll be honnest for a sec, it just fucking annoys me that that fag bill can't get over the fact that he has been dumbed by allthe two the women that he ever loved.
And that for some weird convenient reason he always gets his hands on some papers of whats his name so that somebody can have some mecha smex.

And setsuna should just use trans-Am every fight and go straight for the innovators everytime, that way the war is over in about a week. And we can all enjoy setsunaxMarina lovey-dovey action for the rest of the show.

[qks]

i dont think bushidos is goign to fail, i think its goign to fail after the time limit is reached then just shut off, i doubt billy just rolled out the new suit to him with out even testing it

[Zoidberg]

You know I find it strange that most of the folks who keep posting that 00 is a piece of crap in every aspect still watch the show. I don't know, it's either they have hope that it'll get better or they're masochists.

The only ship I approve of in 00 as of now is LockoffXAnew, Marina and Setsuna just seems too resemble Heero and Relena to me.

[Sander RX]

well, didn't they say that those fake drives don't work as long or something along those lines?
Having lesser operational time=|=being weaker.

[son_michael]

You know I find it strange that most of the folks who keep posting that 00 is a piece of crap in every aspect still watch the show. I don't know, it's either they have hope that it'll get better or they're masochists.

or there just trolling like wesley admitted


The only ship I approve of in 00 as of now is LockoffXAnew, Marina and Setsuna just seems too resemble Heero and Relena to me.

what about Marie and Allelujah?


Also the big difference with setsuna and Marina is she dosen't have anything to keep her away from setsuna{relena had to do so much stuff} and Setsuna actually desires peace unlike Heero who was bassically an emotionless soldier. I think they will realise there feelings for eachother and actually end up together in an epilogue when the series ends because they both desire peace

[Zoidberg]

Forgot about Marie and Allelujah. There's just not much happening with those two these days.

Also, I find the whole 'best friend' bit between Marie and Saji to be amusing. I really hope Saji comes to his senses and somehow saves Louise from her state of batshit insanity, after all the crap those two had gone through, they at least desrve closure.

On to mechs. I wonder if we're ever going to see Ribbons fight?

[qks]

On to mechs. I wonder if we're ever going to see Ribbons fight?

most defo and very very likely in a gundam thats on 00 raisers level

should be right after lousie gets blown up

although i dont think hes the final villian

[Rob_Zero]

Umm reaperunique,fake Drives were never wealer than original Drives...

Please explain why the HG Gadessa profile says that the GNZ series has improved GN Drive [T]'s that are capable of matching the power of the original solar furnaces if the [T] drives were never weaker in the first place.

[Zoidberg]

They are?^ So the Gadessa series is actually superior to the Gundams in terms of engine?

[The Drunken Monkey]

lolol Trans-Graham ftw.

Epic episode, can't wait for the next one.

[Hidd3N_NiN]

So we have weakened Setsuna vs Fake Trans-am Bushido next week. If Setsuna wins/ draws then it probably proves that fake Trans-am is still weaker than the original.

Anyway, I prefered Proto-type to the new ED... :(

[Shodai]

Lovely character build up and development this week. Plot advancement with character relations combined with Hank Hercules' coup d'etat, a nice battle, an awesome ED, and at the end TRANS-GRAHAM

What more could you ask for?

[Wu Fei]

lmfao @ Trans-GRAHam. That suit looked ridiculus, in a badass way i mean.

I'm mad Allelujah couldnt dodge that capture tho he can dodge a beam shot in point blank range.

Who the hell is this bearded dude. He's too fugly to be a final boss.

Sum1 clear this up for me...A-Laws wasnt a part of the army but it's its own entity run by innovators behind the scenes and it just co-op'd with the army for common enemies. Federation army is whats doin the coupdetat? So A-Laws has to kick their ass or something?

[son_michael]

lmfao @ Trans-GRAHam. That suit looked ridiculus, in a badass way i mean.

I'm mad Allelujah couldnt dodge that capture tho he can dodge a beam shot in point blank range.

Who the hell is this bearded dude. He's too fugly to be a final boss.

Sum1 clear this up for me...A-Laws wasnt a part of the army but it's its own entity run by innovators behind the scenes and it just co-op'd with the army for common enemies. Federation army is whats doin the coupdetat? So A-Laws has to kick their ass or something?

The Coup de tah is awesome, bassically there are soldiers in the federation that are against the way A Laws does things


The federation itself has not betrayed A laws, its more like the federation was betrayed by its soldiers




oh and obviously the bearded dude is the good guy....or did you not see until now that A laws is bad?

[Shodai]

Hank Hercules is motherfucking awesome.

I mean, he has a beard and his name is fucking Hank Hercules.

[Masurao]

TRANS-GrahAM!

:rotfl:rotfl:rotfl

[KillerFan]

i knew as soon as i finished watching this episode everyone would hail "trans-graham!" it's so sweet. i wonder what its time limit will be since it doesn't even have a real gn drive. maybe 3 seconds?

[Altron]

Graham is just that awesome, along with Masurao :zaru

[Logic]

Hank Hercules is motherfucking awesome.

I mean, he has a beard and his name is fucking Hank Hercules.

Just reiterating the awesomeness that is Hank Hercules.

[Random Member]

Hercules :beardthing and Trans-GrahAm :awesome

I like the new ED better than the last one. Anyone know the name of that thing that attacked Tieria and Allelujah?

[MasterKakuzu]

I thought Gadessa was moving really fast when it was attacking Seravee, then I noticed there was two of them lol. Also why didn't Allelujah launch with the archer? Did he leave it on purpose so he would trick his girl into battle. Lockon shouldn't have sniped them, instead of waited and ambushed the charging forces with his shield bits. I'm sure he would have taken more out with them.

I also wonder what Sumi meant when she said, did they notice seraphim's secret to Tieria. Would be cool if it was like a EMP that knocked suits out of power within a certain range.

[IchiTenshou]

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[ChocolateBar999]

Anyone else annoyed with these Lyle X Anew shipping bullshit.

[Red Zaku]

He's on my ignore list for interpersonal reasons.

You can't acutally argue my points so it's easier to ignore them because lgoic is your enemy. Good Summary?

Not that I don't care what he says, he's just a big jerk as far as I'm concerned.

Then feel free to go cry into your pillow.



An admission of wrong doing by one irrelevant muscle-head and taking a stance of accepting responsibility is not the same as being good or right.

Both of those things good and right are completely abstract concepts. There is no such thing as absolute good or absolute right....What's good and what's right depend on who's fighting and for what reason they're fighting, and even then that might not be good or right to the person fighting against them, and both of them might be contradicted by the people on the outside looking in.... Stop trying to use terms that have no aboslutes, and act as if good and right mean something.....

They were wrong then and they are wrong now.

So they're wrong for wanting to unite the world together, and even more wrong for wanting to overthrow a corrupt system which uses it's power to force it's will on others and kill innocents? x.x So then, to you what the A-Law's did with Momento Mori was good? I'm asking because these are critical thinking questions ones you don't seem to ask yourself.

They're evil as they've always been. Only this time they have a f-ing mecha purpose built for a marketing campaign.

...........Evil to overthrow evil oppressive government.... I thought you were a hardcore republican? If you are you're completely contradicting your own parties views, as overthrowing a corrupt government is the reason our nation was founded.....and the spirit of said ability to rise up against that Government is held religiously sacred by most republicans.

As for the A-Laws, so what?

So you're arguing the A-Laws who kill, and butcher innocent peoples are not as evil as the organization trying to stop them, and therefore should have their actions glossed over?

A proto-type military unit created as a result of a New World Order being forcibly instigated ends up running amok? Is this supposed to be particularly surprising to me?

x.x Better question, why should it get ignored and swept under the rug like it's crap doesn't stink simply because it was formed in response to Celestial Being's season 1 activities?

And what are you supposed to do when a terrorist group with deeply entrenched connections in various intelligence agencies, corporate interests, a f-ing super computer that predicts everything, and a small military unit using advanced technology that's nearly impossible to interdict?

Infilitrate their connections with spies, or just spend five minutes watching Munich to see how 5 men could get the job done more easily then a full army. I say watch Munich because it's probably the single most accurate dipiction of the Israeli hit squad sent after the Black September movement ever, though there are other better means such as a documentary on the Israeli covert strike.

Drown them in a sea of blood if necessary, but they didn't have the guts to do it the pansies!


..............Gah no wonder your replies make my eyes want to bleed.

[ChocolateBar999]

Red Zaku you should know that Wesley and Rukia are the main trolls in the Gundam 00 threads, they hate the show for the wrong reasons and don't have any solid evidence to back up their claims.

[Red Zaku]

Red Zaku you should know that Wesley and Rukia are the main trolls in the Gundam 00 threads, they hate the show for the wrong reasons and don't have any solid evidence to back up their claims.


I know, I just can't help myself, I see stupid I want to point it out.

[ChocolateBar999]

I know, I just can't help myself, I see stupid I want to point it out.
You've already put him on your ignore list so the stupidity will cease. I personally want to see what he'll complain about next week just for lulz :P

[Sasori-puppet#02]

I don't understand how Eifman could have had a theory about the GN Drive when he never had the chance to study one. Didn't he die when Johann lazor'd his office to bits? Before trans-am was ever introduced in 00? I'm fairly certain that was before Union or w/e was offered their share of 10 psuedo GN Drives too.

As far as the Anew x Lyle shipping goes, I think it's a bit more refreshing than the Feldt x Lyle shipping. Lyle already took over Neil's codename. There's no need for him to take over for his love life. :argh
But still; isn't Anew supposed to be an innovator? How does that work?

I actually did a double take when the subs said "TRANS-GrahAM," then figured that it must have been a joke from the subbers. lol.

[Altron]

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[Rukia]

As far as the Anew x Lyle shipping goes, I think it's a bit more refreshing than the Feldt x Lyle shipping. Lyle already took over Neil's codename. There's no need for him to take over for his love life. :argh
But still; isn't Anew supposed to be an innovator? How does that work?It's a ton more refreshing. My god...Feldt X Lyle would be the most contrived pairing since Shinn/Lunamaria. They spoke one fucking time! She slapped him. No apology convo and we are certainly running out of episodes.

Lyle and Anew is a bit surprising...but their interactions have certainly been friendly up to this point. So I don't have a problem with it.

Tieria is an innovator and he chose to side with Celestial Being despite this. I'm sticking with my theory. Anew doesn't know she's an Innovator. -shrug- I could be wrong though obviously.

[ChocolateBar999]

It's a ton more refreshing. My god...Feldt X Lyle would be the most contrived pairing since Shinn/Lunamaria. They spoke one fucking time! She slapped him. No apology convo and we are certainly running out of episodes.

Lyle and Anew is a bit surprising...but their interactions have certainly been friendly up to this point. So I don't have a problem with it.

Tieria is an innovator and he chose to side with Celestial Being despite this. I'm sticking with my theory. Anew doesn't know she's an Innovator. -shrug- I could be wrong though obviously.
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Gundam%2000/Gundam%2000%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2036.jpg
Yeah I'm pretty much sure she's well aware she's an innovator considering she's in the standing along with Ribbons. As for the pairing, they're both have uninteresting personalities so while it is surprising it'll more then likely seem forced as they're only ten episodes left and unless all those episodes are Lyle X Anew-centric there's no helping it.

[Golbez]

That makes me wonder... Did the Innovators actually mention Anew in any of the episodes till now? My mind is kinda foggy.

Also, we all know that Neil had a great influence on Tieria, so Lyle might just do the same with Anew. :LOS

[Red Zaku]

That makes me wonder... Did the Innovators actually mention Anew in any of the episodes till now? My mind is kinda foggy.

The very first episode Anew joins the crew the Innovators use Quantum Brainwaves directed at someone onboard the Ptolemy to locate the ship.

[Masurao]

I found Hilling Care's slight sexual innuendo line pretty amusing, and unexpected. Innovator sex?

[ChocolateBar999]

That makes me wonder... Did the Innovators actually mention Anew in any of the episodes till now? My mind is kinda foggy.

Also, we all know that Neil had a great influence on Tieria, so Lyle might just do the same with Anew. :LOS
This would actually feel significant if Anew was there from the get go like Tieria who had half a season to bond with Neil and share a different output of humanity thanks to him, We might see the same with Anew but it won't be as fulfilling.

I found Hilling Care's slight sexual innuendo line pretty amusing, and unexpected. Innovator sex?
Yeah me too :P
Makes me love her even more but she was more or less just teasing. Maybe :wink

[Rukia]

I found Hilling Care's slight sexual innuendo line pretty amusing, and unexpected. Innovator sex?Healing Care and Revive Revival are by far the two most interesting Innovators. They killed off that Bring Stability clown since the other red haired Innovator is practically a doppleganger. :apathy

[Masurao]

Healing Care and Revive Revival are by far the two most interesting Innovators. They killed off that Bring Stability clown since the other red haired Innovator is practically a doppleganger. :apathy

Lol yah. When I first saw the raw of episode 14, and I saw the other red-haired innovator after Bring was killed I lol'ed. Hell, all the innovators are basically clones of some sort. Anew managed to distinguish herself enough from the rest of the innovator folk though. She's pretty attractive.

Ribbons-->Healing
Anew-->Revive
Tieria-->Regene
Bring--> Other red-haired guy

[Rukia]

Other red haired dude seems like the most likely to die next if we really evaluate that list.

My prediction is that they will die in this order: new red haired dude, Healing, Revive, Regene, and Ribbons.

I hope I'm wrong about Healing and Revive dying, but I doubt it.

[Shodai]

Regene Regetta, you're wrong on that one. He/She/It's not like the others, and clearly has an agenda of its own.

That's the one most likely to be the one to backstab the backstabber, Ribbons.

If anything, I think it'll die last.

[Wesley]

VEDA gets wacked and Ribbons shits himself. Not a prediction, but it'd be nice to see him squirm once his trump card is rendered useless.

[son_michael]

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Gundam%2000/Gundam%2000%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2036.jpg
Yeah I'm pretty much sure she's well aware she's an innovator considering she's in the standing along with Ribbons. As for the pairing, they're both have uninteresting personalities so while it is surprising it'll more then likely seem forced as they're only ten episodes left and unless all those episodes are Lyle X Anew-centric there's no helping it.


I knew it!! traitorous wench!!!


watch she gets a change of heart like tierra and its all because of lyle

[ChocolateBar999]

I knew it!! traitorous wench!!!


watch she gets a change of heart like tierra and its all because of lyle
She hasn't done anything yet though the fact that A-LAWS always know where they are may hint that she is secretly relaying information. But yes she'll probably end up falling in love with Lyle and forget all about Ribbons and his plan.

[Rukia]

I knew it!! traitorous wench!!!Pretty harsh. I still don't see any reason to believe that she knows it. Perhaps her memories have been tampered with?

[ChocolateBar999]

Pretty harsh. I still don't see any reason to believe that she knows it. Perhaps her memories have been tampered with?
She's standing right there and why would Ribbons want to tamper with one of his own's memories just to ███ on Celestial Being. She's well aware whats she's doing and she's playing Celestial Being for fools but her relationship with Lyle may change her preferences similar to Tieria's with Neil.

[Hidd3N_NiN]

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Gundam%2000/Gundam%2000%20-%2025%20-%20Large%2036.jpg
Yeah I'm pretty much sure she's well aware she's an innovator considering she's in the standing along with Ribbons. As for the pairing, they're both have uninteresting personalities so while it is surprising it'll more then likely seem forced as they're only ten episodes left and unless all those episodes are Lyle X Anew-centric there's no helping it.

None of them have breasts. They're all guys. I don't think Anew's in here.

[Sasori-puppet#02]

None of them have breasts. They're all guys. I don't think Anew's in here.

^This.

Anew seems to be the only one with the crappy name and cleavage at the same time.

[son_michael]

she's standing to the right of ribbons...that looks like breast's to me..unless guys get big lumps in there sides....

[RAGING BONER]

woah...you guys are giving setsuna WAAAAAAAAAAAYYY too much credit for "beating" Ali. Just because he managed to sever an MS limb using Super saiyan trans am doesn't mean he's a better pilot, it just mean he has a suped up trans am. Put him in a regular old trans am gundam and he wouldnt be fairing so well, let alone a gundam without trans am...

Setsuna is not much better than he was before, he simply has an MS that is a generation ahead of even the cutting edge gundams.


oh yeah, and Anew is the one who gave away the position of the Ptolemayonaise, she also communicated with revive via GN telepathy during the attack on CB's base. So she is definetely aware that she is an innovator.

[Red Zaku]

woah...you guys are giving setsuna WAAAAAAAAAAAYYY too much credit for "beating" Ali.

What's with putting the word beating in quotes? Ali was so outmatched by an injured Setsuna he tried to hold a transport hostage, and when tat failed miserably, he was allowed to live only because of Trans Am broadcasting Marina's song to Setsuna's ears which got him to pause long enough for Ali to use the core-fighter/escape system to get the hell out of there as fast as possible. x.x I'd say beating is precisely what Setsuna handed out.

Just because he managed to sever an MS limb using Super saiyan trans am doesn't mean he's a better pilot,

Severing a limb, damaging the leg, nearly impaling Ali, plus keeping him on the defensive the whole fight, all while with an injured shoulder is amazing epic. Especially when considering Ali was one centi-meter from death, and spared only by the insane newtype-trans-am hax.

it just mean he has a suped up trans am. Put him in a regular old trans am gundam and he wouldnt be fairing so well, let alone a gundam without trans am..

............He did fair well with old Trans Am? Did you forget his Omni-slash v.20 knock off kick fest attack he pulled out on Throne Zwei?

Setsuna is not much better than he was before, he simply has an MS that is a generation ahead of even the cutting edge gundams.

x.x Except it's not a generation ahead, and other pilots have been able to give 00 a run for it's money, see the activies of Healin'. Graham was able to fair pretty well against a trans-am'd Gundam 00.... The fact is, it' had a crap load to do with Setsuna having improved as a pilot.

[Rukia]

Setsuna is not much better than he was before, he simply has an MS that is a generation ahead of even the cutting edge gundams.I agree with this. Setsuna hasn't really impressed me. Even when he first debuted the Double-O-Riser...he was actually defeated by Revive Revival. Despite all of his speed, and despite the superior mobile suit...Revive Revival would have impaled the Double O! Setsuna was just lucky that his subconcious allowed him to "teleport" out of the way. It was a move that required no skill; so he doesn't deserve credit for it.

[Wesley]

That Setsuna would have limits as to piloting skill is only natural. It's actually pretty nice that they try to keep him consistent, instead of having him bust out new moves that are related to what he can do with his hands, eyes, and creativity.

I still resent the fact that rather than simply being a good weapon, the Gundams are supposed to produce real power derived from personality and mental faculties. I hate the idea that you can transcend reality simply because you're a crazy f-er with a warped mindset, which is what it really comes down to with all this quantum bulls-.

It's delusion brought about by one's ego. People don't sponateously experience an anti-matter reaction because they think a certain way or let go of worldly roots.

[Silvermateus]

im just wondering whether the show is heading for the Kill Em All Ending that Victory gundam had :) or the end of the world :zaru....

Ergo, the orbital elevator coming down, CB get in the way of it, stop it a bit, but it still crashes into earth and creates a nuclear winter :zaru

[Wesley]

im just wondering whether the show is heading for the Kill Em All Ending that Victory gundam had :) or the end of the world :zaru....

Ergo, the orbital elevator coming down, CB get in the way of it, stop it a bit, but it still crashes into earth and creates a nuclear winter :zaru

Has there ever been a Gundam series in which the solar system is actually developed, with Earth been less of a focus?

[Goodfellow]

Not me at least.

Usually the colonies are not even removed from the earth's orbit, amirite?

[Wesley]

Not me at least.

Usually the colonies are not even removed from the earth's orbit, amirite?

I heard about a Mars colony in Seed, there was something floating around Jupiter in OO and there was at one point the assertion that Celestial Being had a thriving colony somewhere, but that hasn't been highlighted and doesn't seem like it will be.

[Tempest]

Kind of disappointed that Setsuna didn`t pull a Kira, protecting the Ptolemy. Then again I am happy that they didn`t give him that role, would`ve been kinda anticlimactic and most probably a :facepalm to some people.

I did like the double submachinegun that the Arios had, it was pretty cool. Sucks that Setsuna and Bushido`s first fight in their uber suits has Setsuna injured, giving Bushido a handicap. I guess they`re saving their all-out fight for the end or something.

Would`ve been nice to see Marie go out there and pwn face with the GN Archer, but I guess it`s too soon to bust it out. We did see Seraphim after all.

Overall, decent episode. Was kinda excited to see the A-Laws overpowering CB and Lyle picking people off from a far distance and on point. Way to live up to the name. :awesome

[Red Zaku]

I heard about a Mars colony in Seed, there was something floating around Jupiter in OO and there was at one point the assertion that Celestial Being had a thriving colony somewhere, but that hasn't been highlighted and doesn't seem like it will be.


UC Gundam has colonies out in Jupiter. In fact Crossbone Gundam focus' on the War between the Jupiter Empire and the EFSF. Because Jupiter is a gas planet in UC it's atmosphere is mined for Helium 3 which is used in Minovsky Ultra Compact fusion reactors. Because the most abundant source of Helium 3 is Jupiter UC establishes perminant colonies out there as part of the Jupiter Energy Trade. UC also has colonies on mars, and does resource mining of satelites in the Asteriod Belt.

[Rukia]

Kind of disappointed that Setsuna didn`t pull a Kira, protecting the Ptolemy.Setsuna will never "pull a Kira". He lacks Kira's overall skill and intelligence.

[Red Zaku]

Setsuna will never "pull a Kira". He lacks Kira's overall skill and intelligence.

If by skill and intelligence you mean over-reliance on a targeting computer and superior MS to hand out punishment to everyone he ever fought ever, then sure.

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Yeah, because the only time Kira ever showed skill and intelligence was when he was in the Freedom, right? :facepalm

[Silvermateus]

saying kira was not an intelligent guy just proves how lacking of it you are red zaku :)

[Red Zaku]

Yeah, because the only time Kira ever showed skill and intelligence was when he was in the Freedom, right? :facepalm


Actually Strike Gundam was the last time he showed real skill yes. x.x He loses all sense of creativity in Freedom because he goes for brute force which works 99% of the time thanks to Grunts that don't dodge. Though his history against name characters even with the Strike is pretty un-impressive. Holding a victory and loss to non-SEED mode Athrun, A draw to SEED mode Athrun, a victory over Waltfeld, several dozen losses to the Druggy Trio in which he was more remenicient of a pin ball then a mobile suit. And then getting bounjced around by Rau in the final battle until he decided to off Fllay, and even then Kira still got the crap kicked out of him, and in fact his victory blow was simply to make a beam staff out of his sabers and blindly charge Providence as it picked him apart, culminating in Kira nearly getting his cockpit blown up by mere-centimeters as a beam shot goes through the left chest vent...

It amounts to was is essentially three wins over named characters who were one episode throw-aways like Miguel, and even then he beat Miguel more so because Strike was ridiculously superior to the GiNN then because Kira possessed massive skill at the time. You move onto Destiny the routine doesn't get more impressive either.... Kira dominates grunts, beats a wishy-washy Athrun who really doesn't seem to be fighting Kira seriously at all, and is obviously conflicted about the whole situation, then Kira pretty much lucks into killing Stella which just serves to piss Shinn off which get's Kira pretty much dominated in the infamous episode 34. Then Kira get's S-Freedom and in his first return back shoots both of Destiny's beam boomerangs before they can return after showing up in the middle of Cagalli vs. Shinn. Kira then performs the also now infamous sword catch, followed by shooting it's rail guns into Destiny's chest which does little more then piss Shinn off as evidenced by his quote, " If those were beams this would have been over is that what you were tyring to say?" Believing Kira was trying to send a message of his superiority over him instead of just being his usual mornic self and just going to disable his enemy.

That of course results in Kira goting on the defensive the rest of that encounter as Shinn with only three weapons, only one of them arguably suitable for close Combat is able to not only fend off Kira, but actually put Kira on the defensive... Shinn then get's recalled because of a lack of power in the anime ret-conned by the movies into a "you need all your weapons" issue which leads to A Legend + Destiny vs. Freedom fight where Kira doesn't fair too well, in fact his only moment of offense comes after dodging a telegraphed knock off of shinning finger only to get hit by Rey whom he was fighting moments earliar but completely forgot about in the time between Destiny Finger and then. Finally, Athrun shows up and pretty much blind-sides Shinn with beam boomerange out of no where, which Shinn dodges, and then I-Justice body tackle. Also fun note Shinn was doing both those fights S-Freedom vs. Destiny, and S-Freedom vs Legend +Destiny sans' SEED mode. Whereas Kira is in SEED mode for both, that to me speaks more volumes for Shinn's skill that Kira's. But then of course we have the final battle in space in which Destiny went in the crapper thanks to god-awful writing. As Evidenced by Kira winning for no other reason then because Rey who only an episode ago declared he wasn't Rau, declared he was Rau....

That's a pretty short summary but I'll happily go more indepth to explain Kira's lack of skill in anything named Freedom.

saying kira was not an intelligent guy just proves how lacking of it you are red zaku :)

No, it just means I saw SEED and Destiny and never saw a dominance from Kira over anything but Grunts. Sure early on in the first series you could make a great case for Kira being a good pilot but his ability to one shot pretty much every grunt he ran up against in Freedom pretty much made him lazy as hell. To the point Shinn being able to avoid his beam saber fly-by attack in Blast Impulse shocks him... It's a little depressing to think that the character declared by so many fans to have supremacy in combat in CE is shocked by people dodging tele-graphed attacks....

[Wesley]

And that's why I like battleships.

All you have to do is set a course, the time from point A to point B, the angle of your guns, the length and breath of the target, the course and speed of the target, the condition of the seas and how they're rolling both you and the target, followed by synchronizing and reangling the guns as they fire, hit or miss, accounting for that, reloading time, changes in course and speed...

MSs are for pussies.

[Rukia]

Yeah, because the only time Kira ever showed skill and intelligence was when he was in the Freedom, right? :facepalmKira showed more skill and intelligence as the pilot of the Strike. And I think that is pretty obvious.

[RAGING BONER]

That Setsuna would have limits as to piloting skill is only natural. It's actually pretty nice that they try to keep him consistent, instead of having him bust out new moves that are related to what he can do with his hands, eyes, and creativity.

I still resent the fact that rather than simply being a good weapon, the Gundams are supposed to produce real power derived from personality and mental faculties. I hate the idea that you can transcend reality simply because you're a crazy f-er with a warped mindset, which is what it really comes down to with all this quantum bulls-.

It's delusion brought about by one's ego. People don't sponateously experience an anti-matter reaction because they think a certain way or let go of worldly roots.
GN particles in high concentration apparently activate latent telepathic abilities in humans...effectively making them as psychic as innovators and super soldiers.

i guess in a sense 00-raiser is not just an MS but an "Evolvatron" who has the capacity to take any regular schmuck and turn him into the most competent of killing machines...for the sake of peace mind you, because after all if we can hear each others thought and understand each others feelings surely we can walk hand in hand towards that bright future!


oh lol Aeolia you crazy psychotic fruit :zaru

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Kira showed more skill and intelligence as the pilot of the Strike. And I think that is pretty obvious.

Well, yeah. It's maybe annoying that once he got the Freedom he started being a bit less skillful (he still had to use general skills to win some of his Ace fights, such as Rau (who was beating him up with the Funnels from the Providence anyway)).

It all leads up to my opinion of Athrun being the best pilot out of both series, but seriously jiggaz, we are so off-topic pissing each other off I think we should just call it a day :zaru

BRINGING IT BACK ON TOPIC, I thought the Empress looked pretty sweet for a Mobile Armor. Apparently it's still in a Prototype stage (according to either Andrei Smirnov or one of the Innovators, I don't remember and I'm not wasting time to look back through the episodes), and I imagine it will either obviously transform into some massive looking MS like the Psycho and Destroy, or it will have a smaller MS unit inside it for when all else fails like Alejandro's Alvatore.

Regardless, Louise is as good as dead :zaru She'll kiss and make up with Saji as she dies in his arms, but female giant Mobile Armor pilot = dead.

[Red Zaku]

BRINGING IT BACK ON TOPIC, I thought the Empress looked pretty sweet for a Mobile Armor. Apparently it's still in a Prototype stage (according to either Andrei Smirnov or one of the Innovators, I don't remember and I'm not wasting time to look back through the episodes), and I imagine it will either obviously transform into some massive looking MS like the Psycho and Destroy, or it will have a smaller MS unit inside it for when all else fails like Alejandro's Alvatore.

So far it seems to be nothing but a glorifed and albeit cooler looking Grabro.

[Tre_azam]

had to ruin it with a shitty song and shitty 'useless since the show started' woman. If it ends with a seed style 'song of hope'.....what a waste.

*marina is now on the wish to die list*

[Zoidberg]

Well, yeah. It's maybe annoying that once he got the Freedom he started being a bit less skillful (he still had to use general skills to win some of his Ace fights, such as Rau (who was beating him up with the Funnels from the Providence anyway)).

It all leads up to my opinion of Athrun being the best pilot out of both series, but seriously jiggaz, we are so off-topic pissing each other off I think we should just call it a day :zaru

BRINGING IT BACK ON TOPIC, I thought the Empress looked pretty sweet for a Mobile Armor. Apparently it's still in a Prototype stage (according to either Andrei Smirnov or one of the Innovators, I don't remember and I'm not wasting time to look back through the episodes), and I imagine it will either obviously transform into some massive looking MS like the Psycho and Destroy, or it will have a smaller MS unit inside it for when all else fails like Alejandro's Alvatore.

Regardless, Louise is as good as dead :zaru She'll kiss and make up with Saji as she dies in his arms, but female giant Mobile Armor pilot = dead.

Athrun the best? Season 2 perhaps, but Mu La Flagga keeping up with Strike and Rau on a FUTURISTIC JET PLANE makes him the best for me in my opinion. A horrible shame they had to cheapen his sacrifice with him living in Season 2, It felt like Pell's sacrifice in One Piece all over again:(