So where is Naruto hiding the clones that are gathering energy?

[yeba]

It was obvious from Chapter 427 that Naruto is going to use clones to gather energy while the real Naruto fights. If used effectively, he could have unlimited energy with multiple clones gathering energy. The question is where could he have hidden his clones?

[Jinchuriki-san]

On his back, perhaps?

[†_Camorra_†]

Everyone thinks he usess KB's but it would be to obvious and ridiculous if Pain would let Naruto's clones to concentrate in order to gather natural energy :lmao Besides if KB was an effective way to gather natural energy Fukasaku and Jiraiya would have tried it.Its posible but risky vs someone like Pain.

[Godammit]

Just make 3 KB fooling Pain and one KB going far from the battlefield and gathers energy for Naruto.

[Naruto Uzumaki]

All you need to gather energy once then you are set to hermit mode wears off.

[The Pink Ninja]

In his pockets

[Goku]

Well theres none on the battlefield, where would they hide and how could they run from kichi to outsde of konoha without Pain seeing.

Its got to have something to do with his scroll, maybe hes sealed one in his scroll, which constantly pumps chakra into him.

[Godammit]

Lol, a KB in a scroll... I think not.

Why not just henge KB into a shuriken and throw it somewhere.

[†_Camorra_†]

Naruto is known for doing the imposible so he could have reached a level when he can draw nature energy even if he moves.Something similar to Goku's training by Kami,he learned how to move and be still at the same time,some shit like that :lmao

[Jinchuriki-san]

Lol, a KB in a scroll... I think not.

Why not just henge KB into a shuriken and throw it somewhere.

It's more plausible for it to be scroll.

[philzpilz]

The three toads are just henged KB's


Nah, its the scroll

[Godammit]

It's more plausible for it to be scroll.

How can you seal a Kage Bunshin in a scroll ? Scroll = Storage besides u cant gather Natural Energy from a scroll. U need to be outside in the world and feel mother nature.

[Valmung]

How can you seal a Kage Bunshin in a scroll ? Scroll = Storage besides u cant gather Natural Energy from a scroll. U need to be outside in the world and feel mother nature.

Naruto isn't inside the scroll he IS the scroll…

[Jinchuriki-san]

How can you seal a Kage Bunshin in a scroll ? Scroll = Storage besides u cant gather Natural Energy from a scroll. U need to be outside in the world and feel mother nature.

No, it's possible that the clone IS the scroll.

[-Maya-]

He has a Clone inside him just like Jiraiya had the scroll Toad inside him and Oro Kusangi

[Godammit]

No, it's possible that the clone IS the scroll.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

http://i44.tinypic.com/seq7iu.png

[†_Camorra_†]

If KB's was the awnser then every other sage would fucking do it :facepalm Jiraiya used KB's to fight Pain but not to gather natural energy,its stupid to think only Kakashi knows that KB's transfer experience back when they puf :zaru Naruto is probably now the perfect sage and has achieved perfect balance between stillnes and movement.Something like the concept in martial arts like Tai chi Chuan or Bagua where one must have balance between inner stillnes and movement "Yin/Yang" .

[p33man]

Banging Sakura + Hinata .............while gathering energy





:canttouchthis

[MS81]

ma and pa are on his shoulders.:thumbs

[the_forth]

In the frog mountain gathering energy

[philzpilz]

Banging Sakura + Hinata .............while gathering energy

The way Sakura was moaning in delight i wouldn't rule out half of that statement

[Rod]

In my opinion there's no Kage Bunshin gathering it, Naruto simply got to move while receives natural chakra.

I think the idea he had was just about the explanation of Kakashi but not in this way everybody suggest. Therefore, now for Senjutsu, after Yoda told him about that, Naruto simply used tajuu kage bunshin putting all of them to try gather energy while move, in this case Naruto got knowledge of countless years on that subject, then in the end after all just figuring how he could gather that while moving. In this case no need for Kage bunshin, henge, similar stuff, etc...

[†_Camorra_†]

In my opinion there's no Kage Bunshin gathering it, Naruto simply got to move while receives natural chakra.

I think the idea he had was just about the explanation of Kakashi but not in this way everybody suggests. Therefore, now for Senjutsu, after Yoda told him about that, Naruto simply used tajuu kage bunshin putting all of them to try gather energy while move, in this case Naruto got knowledge of countless years on that subject, then in the end after all just figuring how he could gather that while moving. In this case no need for Kb, henge, similar stuff, etc...

This Naruto simply combined inner stillnes and movement to create the perfect SM :edu

[PDQ]

If KB's was the awnser then every other sage would fucking do it :facepalm Jiraiya used KB's to fight Pain but not to gather natural energy,its stupid to think only Kakashi knows that KB's transfer experience back when they puf :zaru Naruto is probably now the perfect sage and has achieved perfect balance between stillnes and movement.Something like the concept in martial arts like Tai chi Chuan or Bagua where one must have balance between inner stillnes and movement "Yin/Yang" .
Simply knowing of what KB can do doesn't mean they would think of this method. Even though Jiraiya probably knew of the ability and even had an immense amount of chakra, he certainly never came up with the idea of using KB for training. Jiraiya used KB yet didn't think of using that to complete a Katon Rasengan.

I highly doubt Naruto mastered such a thing. It defies his whole EUREKA moment when Fukusaku mentioned looking left and right at the same time. Precedent shows that when something is impossible for Naruto, he doesn't magically get it on his own, he uses Kage Bunshin. He used KB to "copy" Shishi Rendan, complete Rasengan, complete Fuuton Rasengan, so why not Sage Mode?

[†_Camorra_†]

Simply knowing of what KB can do doesn't mean they would think of this method. Even though Jiraiya probably knew of the ability and even had an immense amount of chakra, he certainly never came up with the idea of using KB for training. Jiraiya used KB yet didn't think of using that to complete a Katon Rasengan.

I highly doubt Naruto mastered such a thing. It defies his whole EUREKA moment when Fukusaku mentioned looking left and right at the same time. Precedent shows that when something is impossible for Naruto, he doesn't magically get it on his own, he uses Kage Bunshin. He used KB to "copy" Shishi Rendan, complete Rasengan, complete Fuuton Rasengan, so why not Sage Mode?

Jiraiya has a 4.5 stat for stamina,hell even Naruto pre skip could spam over 100 KB's without geting tired.The sages know of KB's advantage to transfer experience and if it was the most effective way for activating SM then they would have used it.

[Juracule Mihawk]

Maybe he gathered it before he reappeared in Konoha?

[vered]

hmm maybe the KBs are in that scroll.

[philzpilz]

Jiraiya has a 4.5 stat for stamina,hell even Naruto pre skip could spam over 100 KB's without geting tired.The sages know of KB's advantage to transfer experience and if it was the most effective way for activating SM then they would have used it.

I doubt they ever needed to, remember their initial plan was to merge with Naruto, and he is one of nine people that wouldn't have worked with, in the known Naruoverse.

It probably never came up before that they'd need a second method

[Rurushu]

I say that he split his chakra into two,and gave half of his chakra to a KB that was henged into the scroll on his back,which is gathering energy.

[B.o.t.i]

In my opinion there's no Kage Bunshin gathering it, Naruto simply got to move while receives natural chakra.

I think the idea he had was just about the explanation of Kakashi but not in this way everybody suggest. Therefore, now for Senjutsu, after Yoda told him about that, Naruto simply used tajuu kage bunshin putting all of them to try gather energy while move, in this case Naruto got knowledge of countless years on that subject, then in the end after all just figuring how he could gather that while moving. In this case no need for Kage bunshin, henge, similar stuff, etc...

I second this perfect sage.

You know you make its sound like the truth was moving without wasting energy.

[Rod]

This Naruto simply combined inner stillnes and movement to create the perfect SM :edu

I second this perfect sage.

You know you make its sound like the truth was moving without wasting energy.

Yeah that's what i think as well, using Tajuu Kage Bunshin to study in the pratical way how to find a form to do it during the training, thus after all the accquired knowledge of many and many years studying the thing, he just figured the perfect answer.

[PDQ]

Jiraiya has a 4.5 stat for stamina,hell even Naruto pre skip could spam over 100 KB's without geting tired.The sages know of KB's advantage to transfer experience and if it was the most effective way for activating SM then they would have used it.

Naruto had a 3.5 when he made 1000 to fight Mizuki.

Anyways, I don't think he used experience transfer to train moving and stillness, rather, this has to do with transferring chakra, not experience, from one KB to another.

But having a ton of chakra does not equate to coming up with KB training. Only a genius like Kakashi would come up with that method apparently as Jiraiya never thought of it despite knowing such things and having such chakra.

[Nuzents]

No, this Naruto is just a clone, i'm afraid we will see close to the end of this fight that the Real Naruto is not there...wait that sounds familiar

[†_Camorra_†]

Naruto had a 3.5 when he made 1000 to fight Mizuki.

Anyways, I don't think he used experience transfer to train moving and stillness, rather, this has to do with transferring chakra, not experience, from one KB to another.

But having a ton of chakra does not equate to coming up with KB training. Only a genius like Kakashi would come up with that method apparently as Jiraiya never thought of it despite knowing such things and having such chakra.

Jiraiya may act goofy but he is no dumbass,he has way more experience then Kakashi and you cant tell me that non of the sages in the past including Fukasaku never thought on using KB's to draw nature energy.It will work but its useless in battle because your opponent will see through your strategy and target the Bushins.Naruto cant risk using that against someone like Pain.

[Warfie]

Yeah that's what i think as well, using Tajuu Kage Bunshin to study in the pratical way how to find a form to do it during the training, thus after all the accquired knowledge of many and many years studying the thing, he just figured the perfect answer.
No.

Why? Naruto and his bunshins need a smack with the godly walking stick of Fukusaku whenever they draw on too much energy. Fukusaku is unable to keep up with Naruto even with only one body (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/427/04/).

Because of the major left-right hint, the KB theory is the most plausible one. It's sadly also the most boring one.

[Titan08]

I thought that once he obtained Sage Mode he maintained it without the help of KB.

[SoMaKuTala]

He created a Kage Bushin and henge it into a butt plug. That way pain will never find it.

[Kitsukaru]

Back at the mountain, of course.

[Kitsukaru]

hmm maybe the KBs are in that scroll.
Well, they could be anything.
He could use KB + Henge, no?

[jdbzkh]

I think he just transformed before going there but it would be bad ass if the scroll is Naruto's clone gathering natural energy for him. :awesome

[Ningen]

Up Pain's ass...

[Zrco]

How can he hide them if they didn't know where they got summoned to at first?

Naruto is just leet now. Please accept this and return your seat and tray table to the upright position as we begin our descent into a horrible rape of pain.

[Rod]

No.

Why? Naruto and his bunshins need a smack with the godly walking stick of Fukasaku whenever they draw on too much energy. Fukasaku is unable to keep up with Naruto even with only one body (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/427/04/).

Because of the major left-right hint, the KB theory is the most plausible one. It's sadly also the most boring one.

You did not get it.

At this point Naruto was in the initial stages of moving with it, even while still remember in the first stages he was turning into a frog too until he got more experience on that.

So it's conclusive as far as he gained more knowledge and experience trying to move while gathering just made him get more mastery in that, the same thing that happened when used while still.

[Warfie]

You did not get it.

At this point Naruto was in the initial stages of moving with it, even while still remember in the first stages he was turning into a frog too until he got more experience on that.

So it's conclusive as far as he gained more knowledge and experience trying to move while gathering just made him get more mastery in that, the same thing that happened when used while still.
I'm not sure if I understood you correctly here, but I don't see why this enables them to continue their training with the increased intensity that additional clones would add.

And when did he practice drawing on sage chakra without turning into a frog? It's hard to tell when he was balancing on the rocks, but that method of training isn't possible when you have to move. In terms of turning into a frog during the "first stages", he did that all the way until he mastered it.

[Rod]

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly here, but I don't see why this enables them to continue their training with the increased intensity that additional clones would add.

And when did he practice drawing on sage chakra without turning into a frog? It's hard to tell when he was balancing on the rocks, but that method of training isn't possible when you have to move. In terms of turning into a frog during the "first stages", he did that all the way until he mastered it.

It enables because of experience accquired, it's pretty noticeable at Naruto's first steps at it while still, he was turning into a frog but as time went by, getting more experienced he simply managed to achieve sage mode without turning into one.

As moving while gathering is a whole new way, he needed to get the mastery and experienced first thus reverting to the initial steps in it, that's why he was portrayed turning into a frog at the beginning while moving( the same as stillness), altough with time it's possible he found a way to master it too without morphing, the very same thing that happened while motionless.

[Brainsucker]

don't you forget about his costume? What if the costume just his KB to gather Natural Energy?

[Warfie]

It enables because of experience accquired, it's pretty noticeable at Naruto's first steps at it while still, he was turning into a frog but as time went by, getting more experienced he simply managed to achieve sage mode without turning into one.

As moving while gathering is a whole new way, he needed to get the mastery and experienced first thus reverting to the initial steps in it, that's why he was portrayed turning into a frog at the beginning while moving( the same as stillness), altough with time it's possible he found a way to master it too without morphing, the very same thing that happened while motionless.

Being able to enter sage mode without turning into a frog is what Naruto trained for, not part of his training. Once you can absorb natural energy like that, training is over. The technique is mastered.

Until he had mastered sage mode while staying still, Naruto required Fukusaku's help. The same goes for trying to do it while moving. At no point during the training will he be able to attempt to enter sage mode without assistance, because once he can, he is finished.

[Wrath]

I like the idea that the Kage Bunshin is actually Henged into the cloak. It explains where it came from and, as a cool bonus, is actually useful in another way because it's effectively armour. It'll take a hit for Naruto if needs be, and he can always make another one.

[Rod]

Being able to enter sage mode without turning into a frog is what Naruto trained for, not part of his training. Once you can absorb natural energy like that, training is over. The technique is mastered.

Until he had mastered sage mode while staying still, Naruto required Fukasaku's help. The same goes for trying to do it while moving. At no point during the training will he be able to attempt to enter sage mode without assistance, because once he can, he is finished.

This isn't to why he was trained for because he didn't have the idea of how much he would be able to achieve in sage mode, making a comparison, maximum Jiraiya could do was that half frog he became, he couldn't achieve more than this, that's it, Naruto just did take care to not become a permanent frog at his time. :hurr

Until he had mastered sage mode while staying still, Naruto required Fukasaku's help. The same goes for trying to do it while moving. At no point during the training will he be able to attempt to enter sage mode without assistance, because once he can, he is finished.

Yes that's just reinforcing my points, once Naruto figured a way to do that while moving he is done with it specifically, and could then proceed to improve another things like frog fu, jutsu, etc... That's what we're about to see in few chapters possibly. :edu

[Kumomaru]

uhm... I assumed that once you were in sage mode... that you stayed in it for a while...

Evidence is when Naruto enters sage mode and then spars with Fukasaku. or when he gatehrs it atop the random giant spike and falls to the ground. or after he gathers energy via the oil ad hops around and junk.

So the answer is he entered sage mode before he was summoned and no longer needs to gather more sage energy as long as he's in sage mode xD

[Warfie]

Yes that's just reinforcing my points, once Naruto figured a way to do that while moving he is done with it specifically, and could then proceed to improve another things like frog fu, jutsu, etc... That's what we're about to see in few chapters possibly. :edu
How is that reinforcing your points? You're now saying Naruto requires Fukusaku to be able to train at all to master sage mode on the move, yet Fukusaku is barely able to keep up with one body. Does this back up the theory that Naruto went mass KB and Fukusaku was able to keep up?

[Rod]

How is that reinforcing your points? You're now saying Naruto requires Fukusaku to be able to train at all to master sage mode on the move, yet Fukusaku is barely able to keep up with one body. Does this back up the theory that Naruto went mass KB and Fukusaku was able to keep up?

Obviously it reinforces, he needed Fukasaku at the beginning of the stillness training, therefore at the beginning of moving he tends to need him again too, obviously just until it reaches at a determined stage.

Though, Fukasaku was just exhausted at this point, he just implies if Naruto keeps up this pace he wouldn't be able to continue much more since he is already too tired.

[Ichiurto]

The Cape, Scroll and inside the Frogs mouths/bodies.

[Undertaker]

Naruto uses Wi-Fi while Nagato uses satellite. They are somewhat similar.

[chikmagnet7]

Why do people assume that in order to gather natural energy, the Naruto clones have to be anywhere nearby? I thought it was pretty obvious that at least one Naruto clone never left Myobokuzan. This way he can gather natural energy from afar without fearing someone taking out his bunshin or Pain figuring out his ability.

Also, I doubt any Naruto cloens are in the frogs' mouths or henged into various things on Naruto's back. We dont' know that a henged Naruto can absorb natural energy. And I doubt a clone in a frog would be able to remain still while the frog moves during battle.

[hazzardo]

My theory:
The last "looking right and left at the same time"-case got the sneaky Naruto to finding out a new trick: doing his thing without the clones, like with Kyuubi.

Wild guess but ey, it would explain the one-handed Rasengan and the fact that he doesn't have a clone around.

[Specter Von Baren]

If KB's was the awnser then every other sage would fucking do it :facepalm Jiraiya used KB's to fight Pain but not to gather natural energy,its stupid to think only Kakashi knows that KB's transfer experience back when they puf :zaru

....................... I wouldn't be surprised if that WERE the case. :awesome It would sure explain allot.

[Minato Namikaze.]

inside Bunta

[Swagger]

He activated sage mode before he was summoned.

Really people, it is freaking obvious.

[Drama]

The Kagebushin is inside one of the frogs, or still in Myobokuzan Mountain perhaps?

[Madara Uchiha]

he is doing a pein thing having them watch and gather energy from far away, or its the scroll on his back.

[GikuHonishimo]

Lol, a KB in a scroll... I think not.

Why not just henge KB into a shuriken and throw it somewhere.

This guy just defeated a body of Pain's in one punch.

You're telling me having a KB in a scroll is impossible at this point?

[khayman31]

He more than likely gathered the energy before being summoned. He now has approximately 5 minutes to fight in Sage mode.

Either that or he mastered gathering while running already. Which would be too bad - I think KB sage mode should come first too. But again, I'm guessing he's working with a limited time frame here, and then as the fight goes on he'll improvise with KBs, and the frogs will be all "OMG THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT"

:p

[khayman31]

This guy just defeated a body of Pain's in one punch.

You're telling me having a KB in a scroll is impossible at this point?

No he didn't. Go look at the manga closer. He used a rasengan.

[Yakumo Fujii]

In the frog mountain gathering energy

Word. Why would he bring them into a battle zone where they could be disrupted?

[lightcrowler]

f KB's was the awnser then every other sage would fucking do it :facepalm Jiraiya used KB's to fight Pain but not to gather natural energy,its stupid to think only Kakashi knows that KB's transfer experience back when they puf :zaru

It's not like everyone has the freaking stamina of naruto!
Or that kb is his most used jutsu,since the beginning!
Or,it's not like Jiraiya could have used 6-7 clones,this canceling Pain's camera view, and win the fight!
KB is like Sharingan for naruto,it has become like a unique bloodline limit for him.

[Xion]

This guy just defeated a body of Pain's in one punch.

You're telling me having a KB in a scroll is impossible at this point?

Well it's unlikely. He hasn't henged a clone or done anything else strange like that with them since the beginning of the manga. I think Kishi forgot about it to be honest.

[Danz]

between his back and his cape maybe some in the scroll he has on his back

[†_Camorra_†]

It's not like everyone has the freaking stamina of naruto!
Or that kb is his most used jutsu,since the beginning!
Or,it's not like Jiraiya could have used 6-7 clones,this canceling Pain's camera view, and win the fight!
KB is like Sharingan for naruto,it has become like a unique bloodline limit for him.

Jiraiya has about the same stamina as Naruto plus he has 2 great sages.:facepalm Jiraiya can use over 100 KB's without geting tired,he has far more stamina the pre time skip Naruto who could do 100KB's without problems.

[KeSh]

Alternatives


Back at the Frog Mountain
In the cloak
In the scroll
Near the battlefield
Combination of the options above



Now here are my two cents. I doubt that he left some clones at Myobokuzan, as it would take away the creativity of the idea and well.....would be impractical to replicate in the future.

I also doubt that the cloak is the answer, because the cloaks moves with the wind and can get quickly damaged in a fight, thus disrupting the natural energy gathering.

The scroll would be a terrific idea if Naruto proves to be able to draw energy in a transformed state. That way, he would simply put the scroll near the frogs and fight, without worrying much about it. Heck, in the future, he could simply use a kunai or a shuriken to do that. Provided of course, he is able to collect energy in a transformed state.

Near the battlefield would be too obvious and well....very risky. A Rinnegan/Byakuugan/Sharingan user can sense chakra and would probably notice Naruto's KBs quickly. It would also take away Naruto's "surprising ninja" monicker, by basically using the same "Eureka" method used in FRS training.

If he had control over the Kyuubi, he could tell the fox to stay still and gather chakra (inner stillness), but that is not an option as of today.

So, right now, I am gonna go with the option that he gathered some energy prior his arrival and his cloak being an actual KB.

[cha0s]

If it is the clones that's going to do it, Kishi is going to need another explanation.

Kage Bunshin's experience or whatever go back to the original body when RELEASED.

Therefore that would mean he would need MANY bunshins to gather, and release in order to maintain the form.

@wiesmann

What the hell makes you think Jiraiya can use 100 KBS?
To my knowledge Jiraiya has never used a KB... But I'm probably wrong about that. But seriously, what made you think he can use 100?

[Voodoo chile]

I don't know KB mechanics to this extent, but I assume they don't *poof* unless they are dispelled or they get hit.

Naruto being #1 most unpredictable ninja my theory is that the Naruto we've seen is just a Kage bunshin and the real Naruto is inside the scroll.
:zaru

[Euraj]

I don't know KB mechanics to this extent, but I assume they don't *poof* unless they are dispelled or they get hit.

Naruto being #1 most unpredictable ninja my theory is that the Naruto we've seen is just a Kage bunshin and the real Naruto is inside the scroll.
:zaruI wouldn't be surprised. :zaru

Although, I'd like to see what Pain thinks when he sees poofs comings out of Naruto's back.

[Wrath]

In fairness of course, Naruto is going to have to send Kage Bunshins off to gather the information on Pain. He had it hammered into him that he couldn't beat Pain until the autopsy, interrogation and code-breakings were done, and Pain is hardly about to let him run off and talk to everyone himself, so Naruto might not even need to hide clones.I also doubt that the cloak is the answer, because the cloaks moves with the wind and can get quickly damaged in a fight, thus disrupting the natural energy gathering.The cloak might move in the wind, but that's not the same as moving yourself. Otherwise Ma and Pa wouldn't have been able to feed natural energy to Jiraiya while he was moving, because they would be moving with him.

[Rios]

In his pants.

[The Scientist]

Everyone thinks he usess KB's but it would be to obvious and ridiculous if Pain would let Naruto's clones to concentrate in order to gather natural energy :lmao Besides if KB was an effective way to gather natural energy Fukasaku and Jiraiya would have tried it.Its posible but risky vs someone like Pain.

what he said.

we should get an explanation as to how he solved the "gathering of natural energy while moving" problem. but I doubt that he is using clones - just seems to obvious.

[KeSh]

In fairness of course, Naruto is going to have to send Kage Bunshins off to gather the information on Pain. He had it hammered into him that he couldn't beat Pain until the autopsy, interrogation and code-breakings were done, and Pain is hardly about to let him run off and talk to everyone himself, so Naruto might not even need to hide clones.The cloak might move in the wind, but that's not the same as moving yourself. Otherwise Ma and Pa wouldn't have been able to feed natural energy to Jiraiya while he was moving, because they would be moving with him.

Well, I don't think it's exactly the same thing, because Ma and Pa can be still, while the cloaks move even if Naruto doesn't (wind, opponent's chakra...). But OK, the damage that can be caused to the cloak is definitely the biggest problem.

And just like someone said above about the KBs, I too believe Naruto has to dispel them in order to collect the energy, so he would need a continuous flow of *poofs* in order to be fed natural energy.

[Enclave]

Like I mentioned in my topic about him mastering Senjutsu while moving without a clone, I think it's the scroll on his back.

[Kek]

Frogs = Clones

[Wrath]

Well, I don't think it's exactly the same thing, because Ma and Pa can be still, while the cloaks move even if Naruto doesn't (wind, opponent's chakra...). But OK, the damage that can be caused to the cloak is definitely the biggest problem.

And just like someone said above about the KBs, I too believe Naruto has to dispel them in order to collect the energy, so he would need a continuous flow of *poofs* in order to be fed natural energy.
Damage to the cloak isn't a problem, it's actually another benefit. It can function as armour, and if it's ever destroyed then Naruto has five minutes to replace it, which is plenty of time.

As for them needing to be dispelled, well, that shouldn't be a problem as long as they're in contact with Naruto. If Ma and Pa could feed Jiraiya natural energy to extend the deadline then a Kage Bunshin could feed it to Naruto.

[-Maya-]

I still say it's in hnim like Jiraiya had the scroll toad

[lightcrowler]

Jiraiya has about the same stamina as Naruto plus he has 2 great sages.:facepalm Jiraiya can use over 100 KB's without geting tired,he has far more stamina the pre time skip Naruto who could do 100KB's without problems.

My whole post was sarcasm..meh,anyway.:notrust

My point is that Jiraiya,as you stated,could have used 100KB's to fight Pain, but he didn't.Pain's main abilitie that put's him above others are his multiple bodies,that combined with his shared vision,is a deadly combination.
Remember,Jiraiya only lost because of the 6 bodies.
Why didn't Jiraiya use more kb's in this fight to put him even in numbers with Pain?
We are all expecting Naruto to win because of KB's,yet nobody seem to care/bother why Jiraiya didn't use that exact strategie,or Kakashi when they fought Pain
They both know KB's (Jiraiya,Kakashi),why didn't they use that jutsu vs. Pain?Or why didn't Kakashi complete his Rasengan with KB's like naruto did?
It's all because Naruto is the most skilled ninja in the use of KB.
Only he can come up with idea's like this,and his incredible stamina is a important factor too.

And just like someone said above about the KBs, I too believe Naruto has to dispel them in order to collect the energy, so he would need a continuous flow of *poofs* in order to be fed natural energy.

Why are people bringing this up again and again.:huh
The chakra flow's from naruto through the KB,this aren't individual bodies like Pain's,which needs transmiters in order for nagato to control them.
Remember,during the Sage training,where naruto begins to use KB.
When the original body turn's into a Toad,the bunshin's will too.
The KB chakra system is directly linked to the original body.
What ever happens to the original bodie,it will happen to the bunshins also.
Well,read it again,if you have forgotten:

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3394/009js5.jpg

Why couldn't this work otherwise too?
Like,the KB gathering nature energy and transfering it to naruto?
As i stated above,and by Fukasaku's (kishi's) explanation,the Or.Bodie and KB chakra's are linked,if one gathers nature energy and turn's into a Sage,be it original body or Bunshin,the effects will occur to either the bunshin or naruto,depends on who is the gatherer.
The bunshin just has to stay still and gather energy,while naruto fights.

[Doom Katon]

If KB's was the awnser then every other sage would fucking do it :facepalm Jiraiya used KB's to fight Pain but not to gather natural energy,its stupid to think only Kakashi knows that KB's transfer experience back when they puf :zaru Naruto is probably now the perfect sage and has achieved perfect balance between stillnes and movement.Something like the concept in martial arts like Tai chi Chuan or Bagua where one must have balance between inner stillnes and movement "Yin/Yang" .

No the answer is to have Ma and Pa on your shoulders which is something that every other sage but Naruto could do. If the 9-tails didn't interfere then naruto would not need the KBs to gather energy.

[ღ•°◦teo°◦•ღ]

hey...maybe you should ask kishi...:nuts

[BGtymin]

It's more plausible for it to be scroll.

Lol, it isn't plausible either way. Not sure why people are buying into an idea with such little evidence to support it.

How does a scroll gather energy :S

[Enclave]

Lol, it isn't plausible either way. Not sure why people are buying into an idea with such little evidence to support it.

How does a scroll gather energy :S

By not actually being a scroll obviously :notrust

[Sunabozu]

in gama's mouth maybe

[Nic]

toad mountain, most likely.

[Don_Corleone]

it can't be that far from Naruto's real body so it's either on his back or inside one of the toads.

[BGtymin]

By not actually being a scroll obviously :notrust

We have no proof in the manga that one can do a jutsu while henge'd into something that isn't even alive. How could it do jutsu?

How the fuck would it even know what was going on if it was a scroll. I really don't believe that a scroll, even if it is henge'd can have any knowledge of what is going on.

People are reading WAAAAAAAAAY to far into this and making stupid, blind, and completely random assumptions and stating them as though they are obvious.

Until further notice Naruto has not found a way to get around the 5 minute limit for gathering energy.

[GutsyOne]

I agree with the kb theme here. Fukasaku made it seem clear that the most common way was to have him or Ma or both I guess fuse to the shoulders in order to make the energy gathering possible while the person in sage mode is on the move. Plus, when Fukasaku stated for Naruto that learning to stay still to gather energy and move while in sage mode was like "looking left and right at the same time", which sparked Naruto's brain into action, a pretty clear indication that he is going to use kb's as his method for gathering the natural energy, since the demon fox won't allow Fukasaku to fuse with him.

Now just where that clone is sitting still and gathering energy, that could be ANYONE'S guess. My only hypothesis is that Naruto is smart enough to keep it back somewhere safe where Pein won't find it and disrupt the energy gathering.

[Proman]

The scroll and the robe

[marco25yo]

There can't be clones because Fukasaku must be watching them gather energy because if the balance is too much they can stay in hermit mode forever so Fukasaku must hit them with his stick :P

[Elite Ace]

People saying the scroll, Cape, Toads are henge Naruto

are

retartds :wha

because all those things just moved last chapter when he finished that Pain

This is what happened IMO =

About 10 clones sat and started gathering energy in the mountains, after Fukasaku said ''its like looking left and right at the same time''

After each clone had gathered enough energy and turned into HM, Naruto released them and he got all their experience, or in this case their gathered energy... So now he has enough energy to last this battle...................
HE USED THE CLONES AS BATTERIES :hmm

[InfIchi]

We have no proof in the manga that one can do a jutsu while henge'd into something that isn't even alive. How could it do jutsu?

How the fuck would it even know what was going on if it was a scroll. I really don't believe that a scroll, even if it is henge'd can have any knowledge of what is going on.

People are reading WAAAAAAAAAY to far into this and making stupid, blind, and completely random assumptions and stating them as though they are obvious.

Until further notice Naruto has not found a way to get around the 5 minute limit for gathering energy.

do you remember when naruto turned into a giant shuriken?

[Pimp of Pimps]

There can't be clones because Fukasaku must be watching them gather energy because if the balance is too much they can stay in hermit mode forever so Fukasaku must hit them with his stick :P

Naruto can do that by himself now.

People saying the scroll, Cape, Toads are henge Naruto

are

retartds :wha

because all those things just moved last chapter when he finished that Pain

This is what happened IMO =

About 10 clones sat and started gathering energy in the mountains, after Fukasaku said ''its like looking left and right at the same time''

After each clone had gathered enough energy and turned into HM, Naruto released them and he got all their experience, or in this case their gathered energy... So now he has enough energy to last this battle................... HE IS USED THE CLONES AS BATTERIES :hmm

The scroll may have moved position, but itself didn't move if you know what I mean.

[Canute87]

do you remember when naruto turned into a giant shuriken?

do you mean when he did it against zabuza?
Or kakashi?

[Elite Ace]

Naruto can do that by himself now.



The scroll may have moved position, but itself didn't move if you know what I mean.

True but how do U like my battery IDEA:huh

[InfIchi]

do you mean when he did it against zabuza?
Or kakashi?

Zabuza. That one is a better example of naruto needing to have knowledge of his surroundings in order for the plan to really work.

[tari101190]

naruto can stay in sennin mode for 5 mins by himself you know...

maybe he won't make clones for another 5 mins to act as a distraction while he gathers natural energy again.

[Sage Naruto]

Maybe he uses the energy already inside of him from the Kyuubi which J man taught him how to use on their training trip or maybe it's something as simple as henge'd into the kunai which shoot out of his sleeve which we saw when he first encountered Sai on the rooftop.

[Seisokumaru]

Obviously, he summoned another giant toad, created his kage bunshin in the toad's mouth and then immediately unsummoned it.

[ninjaneko]

No the answer is to have Ma and Pa on your shoulders which is something that every other sage but Naruto could do. If the 9-tails didn't interfere then naruto would not need the KBs to gather energy.
True, and not only that, KB splits your available chakra in half. Not good for any ninja facing a high-level opponent, though Naruto is an exception since his chakra pool is at a ridiculous and unnatural level.

My first thought is that the KB is henge'd as the scroll, but physical contact shouldn't be necessary since the bunshin is already linked to the original. In that case, I'd hide my bunshin elsewhere. Kinda like Nagato, actually, isn't it? :laugh

[Undaunted]

The Kage Bunshin is most likely the scroll on his back, and are only needed because of Kyuubi. :zaru

Or perhaps he discovered another way to harness that energy without KB.

[m1cojakle]

inside gamabunta

[Sennin of Hardwork]

I go down for the scroll theory. Think about it: If Naruto and Fukasaku were informed that Konoha was being attacked, for what reason or purpose or more importantly, in WHAT TIME did they get a very cool cape and a scroll:notrust??
To make Naruto look more heroic to the village and give hope to the village??
I don´t even think that Naruto would have given himself the time to put something like that. Kishimoto showed by small panels part of Naruto´s new attire for a reason.:)

[hello_hiッ]

Probably the scroll on his back is a Kage Bunshin using Henge.

EDIT: Yeah I think it might be the cape and the scroll. If it is, I like the way Kishimoto is thinking lol.

[QianQian]

That scroll looks suspicious... even the slug is sitting atop the scroll... :awesome

[TheYellowFlash10]

Maybe he is using another method...

[DawnEchoes]

the scroll maybe, or he just found a way to move and gather it. although in the manga he did get an idea similar to his KB wind training

[SharinganSasori]

a scroll is too big and bulky to be a henged naruto, it would only get in the way...if anything naruto is so beast he doesnt need clones. here's how godly naruto is, he already defeated 5 pain bodies and made 5 clones to henge into the 5 pain bodies. naaww jk seriously tho, the scroll and cape are just that. a scroll and cape

[Umpy]

Why are people even thinking along the lines of a scroll or cape. You all need to go back and read the manga AGAIN. Like from chapter 400 or some crazy sh*t like that.

Fu said the problem with staying still is that you can't do that in BATTLE, to gain the chakra. Thats why Ma and Pa merged with Jiraiya. So they could transfer their attuned chakra to him.

Naruto could have 1 to 100 clones ANYWHERE, to gain the 'attunment' for Naruto to go sage mode.

The clones don't transfer the chakra to him, no they stay still so that they can become one with nature, thus the real Naruto will become one with Nature and thus the real Naruto can draw on the Natural energy.

It doesnt matter if he has a clone before comign to Kohona or after. All he needs to do if he's about to leave sage mode is make one, send it anywhere, hell even underground and have it attune itself. It only takes one and it only takes probably less than a minute to do.

THEY AREN'T BATTERIES! READ BETTER!

[NinjaSF]

He probably learned to gather the energy while moving. :D

[Valky]

He probably learned to gather the energy while moving. :D

I don't think so.

Fukasaku himself said it's a physical impossibility.

[RED MINOTAUR~!]

Do the impossible, see the invisible, Ro Ro fight the Pein-ah?

[Shiranui]

If gaining the ability to move while casting Sannin modo was solved through the usage of kage bushin, I would assume the bushin would be placed in an area uneffected by the current battle, or in the least possessing a safeguard of somekind; a defensive shield, illusion, or an actual guard.

Motion is essential to Naruto succeeding here, so naturally, the host which allows him to gather chakra would be highly regarded, and thus the foremost concern in Naruto's use of defensive strategy.

[ArAshI-sensei]

Who said that the Naruto we are seeing now is no clone?
or perhaps the scroll on his back, or his cloak or his headband??

Those are some pretty stationary items, so in essence are able to gather natural chakra.

[Siagon09]

how is a clone able to gather natural energy and channel it to the original without disapearing? It can work as long as the clone is in contact with the original. The clone can not be hidden channeling the chakra from a distance. It won't work that way. He would need those black bars pein uses to do it this way.

imo, there are only 2 ways that he can do this. He has either overcome the stillness barrier and can now gather natural energy at will.

Or, like what has been mentioned many times, he has a clone henged as the scroll or cloak or whatever. The clone can be still while gathering natural energy for him.

I hope he figured out a way to overcome the barrier instead of having a clone henged on to him though.

[general-david]

I reckon naruto is using a sort of space-time jutsu, a bit like orochimaru's dimension. Where a clone of himself will be safe and can have the time to gather natural energy. Or maybe he gets the demon fox to gather natural energy for him, or somehow uses he demon fox to speed up the process. Lol, its jokes how naruto solves every problem with an extra bunshin:

Can't make rasengan by himself. Create a bunshin
Oodema rasengan. Get 2 bunshin
Wind release rasengan. Get 2/3 bunshin
Can't beat mizuki by himself, create a 1000 bunshin
For every problem, use another bunshin

Oh yea, also maybe its the other way around. as in the real naruto is hiding somewhere else and the clones are the ones who are doing the attacking. Lol a bit farfetched i know. I just noticed that a few others have pointed this out too.

[Sennin of Hardwork]

Whataver the Kage Bunshin experience, it is passed to the original, this case Naruto.
One Kage Bunshin should be enough to gather natural energy for Naruto to enter Sennin Modo. If he had like 100 clones gathering natural energy he would arlready be a toad!
Fukasaku said himself: If their is too little natural energy, no senjutsu.
If their is too much natural energy, it will overpower the user turning him into a frog.
But if you just take in little to much, you´ll enter Sennin Modo with no problem. Take a LOT, turn nto a frog FOREVER

So it must be a Kage Bunshin that has henced into a scroll:). Although Naruto is going to have to solve the "stay still problem" if he wants to go Sennin Modo by himself.