Summons

[-Maya-]

It's official Pains Summons who Oro fans claim couldn't stand against Manda are Boss summon level

Look Gamaken is actually Bigger than Bunta :nuts


this was pretty much confirmed when the Dog was shown to be bigger than a Konoha building which Bunta was not taller than

[Zaru]

Size =/= Strength, though

[Muk]

this will change everything in the battledome section of this forum

[♠ Nagato ♠]

People often say that size doesn't matter but oh well... :hehee

[-Maya-]

Whats with the good logic in my told yo soo thread

you wanna destroy someone''s bubble do wiesman he likes it!




this will change everything in the battledome section of this forum

Yet another Reason Oro<<<<Pain

[emanresu]

i believe Sage Pa & Ma weaker than Bunta.

[Syntaxis]

In weapons and fighters, bigger size doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger.

Ma frog single handedly took care of the big-ass chameleon summon. I assume the same trick can be used on bigger frogs.

[shintebukuro]

This doesn't really boost Jiraiya in any fashion. It just puts the boss summons into better perspective.

Gamaken is similar in size to Gamabunta, but pales next to Sennin Mode Jiraiya.

Manda is stronger than Gamabunta, but pales next to Yamato no jutsu.

[The Fool]

This doesn't really boost Jiraiya in any fashion. It just puts the boss summons into better perspective.

Gamaken is similar in size to Gamabunta, but pales next to Sennin Mode Jiraiya.

Manda is stronger than Gamabunta, but pales next to Yamato no jutsu.

Panels please. Also, Manda is dead.

[Grimmjowsensei]

It's official Pains Summons who Oro fans claim couldn't stand against Manda are Boss summon level

Look Gamaken is actually Bigger than Bunta :nuts


this was pretty much confirmed when the Dog was shown to be bigger than a Konoha building which Bunta was not taller than

thats a big fuck up by Kishi.

Or, Jiraiya was using a baika no jutsu here :

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/375/07/

Look @ the proportions. Jiraiya seems bigger than Gamakichi here.

[Ibb]

thats a big fuck up by Kishi.

Or, Jiraiya was using a baika no jutsu here :

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/375/07/

Look @ the proportions. Jiraiya seems bigger than Gamakichi here.

or maybe Gamaken got bigger...

:hmm

[shintebukuro]

Panels please. Also, Manda is dead.

I don't feel like looking for panels.

Just look at the Oro/Jiraiya fight where Manda would have killed Gamabunta if not for Tsunade interfering.

[The Fool]

I don't feel like looking for panels.

Just look at the Oro/Jiraiya fight where Manda would have killed Gamabunta if not for Tsunade interfering.

Kind of jumping to conclusions aren't we? I mean Gamabunta's Katon would have killed Manda but he molted his skin... The manga has hundreds of such scenes. That doesn't necessarily prove that one is stronger than the other. Unless it is explicitly stated in the manga then you can't make that claim.

[UltimateDeadpool]

Gamaken isn't bigger than Gamabunta...

[shintebukuro]

Kind of jumping to conclusions aren't we? I mean Gamabunta's Katon would have killed Manda but he molted his skin... The manga has hundreds of such scenes. That doesn't necessarily prove that one is stronger than the other. Unless it is explicitly stated in the manga then you can't make that claim.

I agree that things are not always what they seem, but there is a big difference between (1) a scene getting cut off before it ends, leaving the conclusion ambiguous, and (2) the author trying to imply something.

Usually when a character gets saved, it's necessary. The opposite would downplay the big entrance and help the "savior" provided.

[The Fool]

I agree that things are not always what they seem, but there is a big difference between (1) a scene getting cut off before it ends, leaving the conclusion ambiguous, and (2) the author trying to imply something.

Usually when a character gets saved, it's necessary. The opposite would downplay the big entrance and help the "savior" provided.

Still jumping to the conclusions. You can certainly make that argument, but I could also make the argument that Gamabunta and Jiraiya were about to wtfpwn Manda with a jutsu. There is really no evidence either way. Just speculation. Also, the only reason Gama was in that position was because he was trying to save Tsunade.

[Reincarnation]

Kind of jumping to conclusions aren't we? I mean Gamabunta's Katon would have killed Manda but he molted his skin... The manga has hundreds of such scenes. That doesn't necessarily prove that one is stronger than the other. Unless it is explicitly stated in the manga then you can't make that claim.but the whole point was that he couldnt kill him with the katon :huh

as of right now manda is the strongest boss summon shown so far he held his own and was on thw winning side of the fight against
bunta, jiraiya, katsuya, and tsunade without orochimarus help

Still jumping to the conclusions. You can certainly make that argument, but I could also make the argument that Gamabunta and Jiraiya were about to wtfpwn Manda with a jutsu. There is really no evidence either way. Just speculation. Also, the only reason Gama was in that position was because he was trying to save Tsunade.again you can only kill someone with a jutsu if you can hit them so you cant make claimes like that because they dont make sense and yes bunta was trying to save tsunade and katsuya but it was a 4 on 1 fight and gama attacked manda with katsuya serving as an unoffical distraction giving bunta the perfect oppening

[Canute87]

Kind of jumping to conclusions aren't we? I mean Gamabunta's Katon would have killed Manda but he molted his skin... The manga has hundreds of such scenes. That doesn't necessarily prove that one is stronger than the other. Unless it is explicitly stated in the manga then you can't make that claim.

KC, you can't compare manda dodging a technqiue on his own to Gama receiving help. Gama is the only one with the "what if" scenario seeing that he was saved by an outside source.

[The Fool]

but the whole point was that he couldnt kill him with the katon :huh

as of right now manda is the strongest boss summon shown so far he held his own and was on thw winning side of the fight against
bunta, jiraiya, katsuya, and tsunade without orochimarus help

He "held his own?" He got impaled to the ground by Gama's sword in like five seconds... Geez. He got friggin owned.

[Reincarnation]

He "held his own?" He got impaled to the ground by Gama's sword in like five seconds... Geez. He got friggin owned.
lol i geuss :lmao

[shintebukuro]

Still jumping to the conclusions. You can certainly make that argument, but I could also make the argument that Gamabunta and Jiraiya were about to wtfpwn Manda with a jutsu. There is really no evidence either way. Just speculation. Also, the only reason Gama was in that position was because he was trying to save Tsunade.

I'm just trying to interpret the author's intentions. He drew what he did to imply something.

Like I said, to deny Manda that honor is downplaying Tsunade's help. You're taking the scene out of context.

You wouldn't argue that Gaara's help against Kimimaro didn't save Lee's life, would you?

Just because something is left unfinished, doesn't mean the conclusion is still ambiguous. If you want an idea of what would have happened, just look at the context.

[The Fool]

I'm just trying to interpret the author's intentions. He drew what he did to imply something.

Like I said, to deny Manda that honor is downplaying Tsunade's help. You're taking the scene out of context.

You wouldn't argue that Gaara's help against Kimimaro didn't save Lee's life, would you?

Just because something is left unfinished, doesn't mean the conclusion is still ambiguous. If you want an idea of what would have happened, just look at the context.


So your argument is that because of that one panel Kishi wants us to believe that Manda is confirmed 100% stronger than Gamabunta. I'm sorry but that's weak sauce. If that's the case then there are like literally hundred of scenes that confirm fodder character X is stronger than a main character.

[Hellion]

^^^^ That is why I stay you of the battledome :zaru

[-Maya-]

Manda is stronger than Gamabunta, but pales next to Yamato no jutsu.

I don't feel like looking for panels.

Just look at the Oro/Jiraiya fight where Manda would have killed Gamabunta if not for Tsunade interfering.

That doesn't mean He's stronger it ,means on the Day Manda had better tactics than Bunta

I believe Bunta matched Manda in brute force strength by holding him but it turned out to be a Feint attack but thats tactics not strength

[Flagg1982]

Pain probably has some ultimate boss summon he's been saving for a special occasion.

[PDQ]

This doesn't really boost Jiraiya in any fashion. It just puts the boss summons into better perspective.

Gamaken is similar in size to Gamabunta, but pales next to Sennin Mode Jiraiya.

Manda is stronger than Gamabunta, but pales next to Yamato no jutsu.

I think Kishimoto is just horribly inconsistent with summon size.

Not only is Gamaken drawn noticeably larger than before, Gama Bunta is drawn noticeably smaller than before.
And Orochimaru's Yamato should be vastly smaller than Manda, not larger as the DB claims. Orochimaru pretty much filled the mouth of Yamato, yet was the size of Manda's eye. Even if you take into account the multiple heads, Manda would also be significantly longer.


Not to mention, this raises the question, why didn't Jiraiya summon Gama Bunta or the Mountain Destroyer?

[Foxve]

I think the gusty ninja arc showed the best use of summons in the whole manga in both part 1 and 2.

[cbark42]

the gutsy ninja arc showed that all summons fall before sakuras righthand.:pek

[Foxve]

the gutsy ninja arc showed that all summons fall before sakuras righthand.:pek

Of course it died. Naruto killed a big bug to in part one with one kuni. I'm talking about animal summons not big bugs. That rino wouldn't have been killed with one punch by sakura.

[cbark42]

Of course it died. Naruto killed a big bug to in part one with one kuni. I'm talking about animal summons not big bugs. That rino wouldn't have been killed with one punch by sakura.

naruto killed a giant snake with two kunai.

the rhino would have got two pieced if one hit didnt work.:pek

sakura>>>>giant summons

[Sesha]

Wow, Sakura managed to kill a big centipede. What a bold, defining moment of characterization and awesomeness. *sarcastic applause*

At any rate, Pain's summons were pretty cool. One of my favourite things in part 2, along with the giant toads.

[Foxve]

naruto killed a giant snake with two kunai.

the rhino would have got two pieced if one hit didnt work.:pek

sakura>>>>giant summons

He was in fox mode and he didn't kill it he stopped it.:wink

[cbark42]

He was in fox mode and he didn't kill it he stopped it.:wink

my bad

fact remains that sakura is one of the few character who can handle bossed sized summons.

[Quikdraw7777]

Like a few have stated, The size of a summon does NOT determine its strength.

If anything, it would determine the chakra level & control of the Ninja though - as it has been stated in a databook and heavily implied that the size of the creature summoned is directly in proportion to the amount of chakra released by the ninja.

Gamabunta, Manda, and Katsuya(sp?).......are boss summons. You can imagine that it takes SANNIN level chakra to call them forth, but they can possibly be taken out by the likes of Ma & Pa frog - both of whom are small enough in stature to rest upon ones shoulders.

Thats my take on it:oh

[Ninja Shadow Warrior]

Pein's summons didn't seem to have a mind of their own. They were more like Giant weapons controlled by Nagato.


P.S. this thread is ancient.

[PDQ]

If anything, it would determine the chakra level & control of the Ninja though - as it has been stated in a databook and heavily implied that the size of the creature summoned is directly in proportion to the amount of chakra released by the ninja.

Gamabunta, Manda, and Katsuya(sp?).......are boss summons. You can imagine that it takes SANNIN level chakra to call them forth

Not really. Tsunade was worn out from Genesis Rebirth and tons of hits and could still summon Katsuyu. Kabuto who could barely heal from Rasengan with all his chakra summoned Manda and Suigetsu also summoned Manda. Naruto just had trouble because of his poor chakra control so he ended up using more.

[Grimmjowsensei]

Let the dead thread stay dead.