heaven real or not?

[shizuru]

I just wanted to know what every one thinks of heaven. Does it exist in real life? or was it somthing created by Religious fanatics years ago to stop people from going crazy about death:huh

[Kakashi_Love]

I believe heaven is real because it makes me happy to do so. But if it isn't, then we just die, big deal.

[Chamcham Trigger]

My father once told me that heaven and hell are what you make of it. If you lead a happy life then you are living in heaven. If you lead a miserable life....then it's hell. I think he told me some other stuff for it to make more sense, but I was 4 or 5 when he told me so I can't remember that well anymore. I should ask him what that means exactly again.

[Gunshin]

I just wanted to know what every one thinks of heaven. Does it exist in real life? or was it somthing created by Religious fanatics years ago to stop people from going crazy about death:huh
Heaven is an idea, a faith. If it was 100% real, than it wouldn't be a faith or an idea, it'd be a Government. People are always out to prove if religous ideas are true or not, when in fact, knowing if it was 100% true would destroy both the purpose and the meaning.

[Aldredian_Sahn]

I believe heaven is real because it makes me happy to do so. But if it isn't, then we just die, big deal.
Hey! I like that idea. Go Kakashi! Either way, I know that heaven is real.

[stormbreak]

Well once you are dead, if there is a heavan or helll you are there, if there isn't then you will rest for eternity.

[Baki]

I'll start caring when i get there.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Hey! I like that idea. Go Kakashi! Either way, I know that heaven is real.

:blink

:huh

[Siavash]

if they have hot chick there yes it excist.
just kidding uhm i dont thing heaven excist cuz ..uhm
if you are 80years old and you die and you go to heaven do you still be 80years cuz if you are you are really weak and cant do annything

[Akamaru Mask]

Hmmmm... I'm not sure it matters if heaven is rel or not, it just gives a person something to believe in. Hope can get one through even the worst times, hope that things will get better, perhaps the real heaven is the feeling of devotion to something that gives you the courage to carry on.

[Haik]

My father once told me that heaven and hell are what you make of it. If you lead a happy life then you are living in heaven. If you lead a miserable life....then it's hell. I think he told me some other stuff for it to make more sense, but I was 4 or 5 when he told me so I can't remember that well anymore. I should ask him what that means exactly again.

Smart father you have there, never thought somebody would ever say this...

[akuma no omoigakenai saku]

Hey! I like that idea. Go Kakashi! Either way, I know that heaven is real.

I gotta ask. How could you possibly know that. You might not doubt it, but that doesn't mean you know it. It just means you have faith in its existence.

But then, I guess, no one really knows anything.

:blink

[Aldredian_Sahn]

I gotta ask. How could you possibly know that. You might not doubt it, but that doesn't mean you know it. It just means you have faith in its existence.

But then, I guess, no one really knows anything.

:blink
I know that heaven is real because I know that the Father is real. I don't just have no doubt in it, but I know. :amuse :laugh

[CrazyMoronX]

Heaven is real, why? Because I said so.

Simple enough.. and you can't really refute my evidence, as I had none.

[OtacontheOtaku]

There's a misconception on what exactly heaven itself is. Most people who believe or don't, whether they realize it or not, are thinking of a city in the clouds. This of course being not true in the least =_= . Symbolism is used to represent what it will be LIKE, not what it is. The main thing people manage to do in all religious texts is fail to realize that in the days it was written, they didn't have the descriptive terms we do. When they talk about "fiery chariots" or mighty "flying serpents" flying in the sky, they don't mean a romanesque chariot floating through the sky or an actual serpant flying through the sky, they are referring to a craft beings are riding in that emit flames or are cigar or serpent shaped, descriptions fitting many UFO sightings nowadays, another story though.

The symbolism is used to represent a world they couldn't put into the simplistic text that was Sumerian/Akkadian/Hebrew/etc. The same goes for heaven. It has been surmised by quantum theory analysts that the "soul" exists outside of time, i.e. the 5th dimesion (as Time-Space is in the 4th, us being the 3rd, and pong being in the second). It's also surmised we're never completely in the 3rd dimension, as Einstein proved that there is another force within the human existence, a soul if you will, while studying the effects of magnets on the human body. So it could be said when we die we completely slide into the 5th Dimension with our existences. Now, the whole universe functions on vibrations (Chaos theory alert) and as such by causing a positive or negative vibration your existence becomes more stable (brighter) or more unstable (darker). This would explain why the true "Hell" (Hell by the way is an antiquated term for a cold dark place to store potatoes) is referred to as non-existence, a state of being completely alone or distabilized. Negative vibrations could be called "Sin", but I feel that that's not quite right, as some negative vibrations, such as radiation (radiation causes some seriously negative vibrations as it is nothing but a destructive force), are harder to feel. I would say anything used to harm another soul could be considered negative vibration and as Chaos theory states "when a butterfly flaps it's wings on one side of the world it creates a tornado on the other", same principle could be applied, but also, since space-time is curved those vibrations could make their way back to you, an explanation of karma/darma.

Thinking about this... I guess you could say heaven would be having a stable enough existence to exist in the 5th dimension. Beyond that, to incarnation and such, I have no clue whatsoever. These are just my random thoughts on the matter of a heaven.

Remember, the Bible itself can't be relied on for this sort of thing... =_= read my posts here: http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1653504&postcount=37 and the second part here: http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1653511&postcount=38 to understand why.

[Miss CCV]

I wonder about this from time to time. I guess the only way we can find out is when we officially die (not through suicide though. I still think you'll end up in "hell" for doing so).

[Anthriel]

If there is heaven, as in eternal life, I would try to get into Buddhism instead.
Eternal life sounds like eternal boredom and therefore pretty much hell to me.
I wonder why the people in the middle ages didn't think of that. I cannot remember a single philosoph dealing with that problem.

/e: Oh, and the standard answer: No one knows, and there is no way to find out in life. People who claim they can prove either are wrong. :amuse

[minnatrix]

Who the hell cares, it's not like we can tell you if it exists.

[Ryuhoukills]

no one knows for sure if there is a heaven but if there is one, then i hope that it would be perfect, otherwise it'd be a little boring.

[Eden Prime]

If Heaven IS real, it has the worst postal service in all existance. Bitches never write back.

[stormbreak]

If Heaven IS real, it has the worst postal service in all existance. Bitches never write back.
lmao:P they are like santa, all those pressies he never gave me :sad :mad

[KnightstaR]

i believe theres no point even thinking about wethere its real or not because you will never know till you get there. end of.

[EternalHatred]

A few choices I came across:
1. Heaven exists, and 'good' people go to heaven after death.
2. Heaven doesn't exist. When you die, you die. You're gone.
3. Heaven or hell, all is starts on earth.
4. Heaven and hell is life.

[Luffy2692]

i believe theres no point even thinking about wethere its real or not because you will never know till you get there. end of.
but youll never know if you cant go there because you didnt care enough to try.

anyway, i heard a very religious version of a view point of heaven and hell. made alot of sense, or atleast made me think. on earth, it is our duty to accept god's love through our actions and not sinning. this doesnt cause god not to love us, it only seperates us from his love. once we die, its not really a matter of if you were good or not but if you want to continue recieving god's love. to choose not to accept god's love is heaven in itself but not to, is the greatest misery of all, making this hell. dont flame me for religious beliefs but i thought that was really something to ponder. its not word from word so if i left out something, be creative and come up with your own idea of heaven.

[explicitkarma]

My father once told me that heaven and hell are what you make of it. If you lead a happy life then you are living in heaven. If you lead a miserable life....then it's hell. I think he told me some other stuff for it to make more sense, but I was 4 or 5 when he told me so I can't remember that well anymore. I should ask him what that means exactly again.

Heaven is an idea, a faith. If it was 100% real, than it wouldn't be a faith or an idea, it'd be a Government. People are always out to prove if religous ideas are true or not, when in fact, knowing if it was 100% true would destroy both the purpose and the meaning.

These two posts sum up my view on Heaven and religion. While I don't know what is of Heaven in the sense of an afterlife, I believe that Heaven and Hell are wonderful metaphorical descriptions for life in this world. Like chamchamtrigger's father said, life is what you make of it. I believe that the consequences of living a good life are that of peice of mind. There is nothing more blissful than peice of mind. Subjectively, the mind is existance via perception and retrospection. The same can go for those who have lived a terrible life. If they do not suffer through guilt in retrospection, they will suffer by perceiving the consequences of their actions at the hands of others, a form of social karma if you will. The picture of Heaven painted in the Bible is that of bliss. The picture of Hell painted in the Bible is that of suffering. I believe that, in this life at least, heaven and hell is what you make out of reality.

Also, gunshin pointed out my view on religion as well. It is a pet peeve of mine when people claim that they know what they cannot comprehend. The reason that the afterlife and spiritual beings are linked with faith is because we are not able to comprehend and prove these concepts in our current stage of humanity. The purpose of faith is believing, not proving; an idea, not a fact. As gunshin pointed out, to prove a faith would destroy it's purpose and meaning, as a faith at least.

[jier2232]

i don belive in heavan coz when there is heavan, there is hell, so i think it is better if we die n go to a place called soul society....

[skunkworks]

I don't necessarily believe everything written here, but it's interesting nonetheless.

What does Judaism say about Reward and Punishment?

A. Firstly, Man has free will--like no other creature has. No dog, dolphin or gorilla has the ability to weigh good and evil and choose one over the other. No dog, dolphin or gorilla understands the concepts of good and evil, for that matter. None except Man. So, the Jewish understanding of reward and punishment begins with the Jewish understandings of free choice, and good and evil.

B. Man has Free Choice. You can choose to do good. You can choose to do evil. You can choose. You can. You. G-d doesn't make you go one way or the other. He doesn't force you to the straight and narrow. He does not pre-program you to be a certain way. Man may do whatever he wants. Man can change whatever he is to become whoever he wants to be. Total freedom.

C. Now, G-d won't rain manna from Heaven on you if you do something He deems good, or zap you with lightning bolts if you do something He deems evil--would you have Free Choice if He did? Not at all--you wouldn't be able to walk down the street for greed of manna, or fear of lightning bolts. You'd become a vegetable. And G-d doesn't want vegetables--He wants Free Choice. So, what's going to happen to you if you eat non-kosher? Nothing. No lightning bolts. Because if G-d zapped you every time you ate non-kosher, you'd have no choice but to eat kosher. You'd be forced to--unless you like lightning bolts. Now let's take a look at what Judaism does say about reward and punishment.

1. Defining Good, Evil, Reward and Punishment

The Torah is mankind's morality manual. The Torah defines what is good and what is evil. When you do what the Torah says, you're doing good. When you don’t do what the Torah says--or when you do what the Torah says not to--you're doing evil. (But that's only if you're familiar with the Torah, and act spitefully against it--more on that later.) When you do good, you're rewarded, and when you do evil, you're punished. Sounds simple? It's anything but. There's no Reward and Punishment Catalog in Judaism, listing specific sins or good deeds and their specific consequences, and therefore, we don't know which actions elicit which reactions from G-d. Unless you are a prophet--and prophets don't exist today--you cannot conclude that Mr. A's son died because Goldberg ate non-Kosher or that Mrs. B got Lou Gehrig's Disease because she's a crook. Conversely, you cannot conclude that Bill Gates is rich because he's a good person (which is not to say he's evil!): untold variables known only to G-d come into play in every instance of reward and punishment. Only G-d can truly discern and decide matters of good and evil, and the rewards/punishments attached. We simply just don't know. For starters, we don't know what's truly good, what's truly bad, or who's truly good or bad, for that matter. Thus, suffering is not always punishment, punishment is not always suffering, good is not always a reward, and evil is not always punishment. Only G-d can tell.

2. Isn't the Torah All About Reward and Punishment?

Now, you'll find lots of cheery little rewards in the Torah for doing good. You'll also find lots of cheery little punishments in the Torah for doing evil. Why? Doesn't G-d give us Free Choice? Yes, He does, and what the Torah mentions are not "rewards" and "punishments" the way we perceive those phrases: supernatural events. For if G-d were to candy-shower the good guys and lightning-bolt the bad guys, we'd never see the end of it. So G-d doesn't reward and punish the way we perceive "reward" and "punishment": Generally, not one of the "rewards" and "punishments" in the Torah is supernatural. Generally, G-d doesn't "reward" or "punish"--he acts through Nature. When you do good, G-d reacts by accelerating the natural processes of good things. When you do evil, He reacts by decelerating the natural processes of good things. This is G-d's way of striking a balance between doing too much, or doing too little. Lightning bolts would be too much. Leaving things untouched would be too little. But, like a runaway prince scolded by his royal father, this spiritual mechanism only applies to those who know in the first place what G-d wants them to be doing.

3. The World to Come

In Judaism, there is reward and punishment--but, as mentioned above, generally beyond our understanding of how it works. Sometime, it may be obvious, but sometimes not. And in Judaism, there are two planes of existence: the physical, and the spiritual. The physical existence is this universe. And the spiritual existence is called the World to Come. The World to Come is where you are before you're born, and where you go after you die. If you're good or evil, G-d may reward or punish you here, or He may reward or punish you there--in the World to Come. What is the World to Come? Indescribable. Beyond time. Beyond place. Beyond dimension. Dispose of Heaven and Hell and planets and science fiction--they are false. The World to Come is not physical or dimensional at all. Images of angels, clouds, and 70 virgins for every martyr are complete nonsense--the World to Come is just totally beyond our imagination. And neither is it borrowed from another religion. The prophets refrained from descriptions because words couldn't possibly paint the full picture. But it's a place, if it can be called that at all, a form of existence, where you're washed in a "cosmic washing machine" before you may absorb good incomparably beyond the greatest pleasures of physical existence. The washing erases all traces of physical existence and restores you to your pristine, pre-birth state of spiritual existence. Once restored, you reconnect with G-d at the level of spirituality attained during physical existence. The washing is your "punishment," and the reconnecting is your "reward." Both are good--no "Hell" here! However great the World to Come may be, it should not be one's goal. Maimonides describes this as serving G-d out of fear of consequences or anticipation of benefits, thus ultimately, self-concern. Rather, the great sage elaborates, one's relationship with G-d should be built on love--and love is giving, not getting, selflessness, not selfishness.

[Chintsuzai]

I don't think there's a heaven.. ^^; It's more like some wish that there is cause humans want to have somewhere to go when they die... so I don't really believe in it.. But I guess I'll just find out when I die XP

[marora]

heaven is what we want it to be.
a convergence of billions of particles that make up our "souls" science
a place were poeple go when there good "religoius"
a place made up to keep us from thinking about death, and keep us obeying poeple. cynisist

i am inclined to agree with the scientist and the cyninisyt

[Uchiha_Clan_Rocks]

ok my thoughts

if u Doubt if theirs a heaven or hell then your a moron

of course there’s a heaven and a hell
when you die u don’t just chill in the ground talking to the worms

hell no (hell no hahaha its a pun) your soul goes sum where

whether it be eternal bliss or torment
you go some where

The time we live in now shuns the thought of religion because its "unethical"

well there going to hell

i honestly don’t care about this thread because i know where im going

do u?

(it sounds like a commercial:nuts )

[Daikage]

Heaven is the sky and the stars.

There was no belief in heaven during the time of Homo Erectus, but as soon as Homo Sapiens jump onto the stage, with no appearant evolution trails that mark where Homo Erectus became Homo Sapiens, the principle of heaven was born.

The belief of life after death.

The belief in cosmic forces that control the Earth working from small lights in the heavens.

How could this be so?

How, you ask? Well let me give it to you straight.

Four hundred thousand years ago a race of tall, grey-skinned, red eyed, purple/teal/green/blue/and pink haired, elvish like beings that originated in Andromeda came to Earth by mistake. The most logical reason, was that they were hit by the solar winds which they didn't prepare themselves for and needed to make an emergency landing on Earth.

They then gathered reasources from the Earth to repair their ship and return to their society. In the process, they altered the genetics of a certain primate called Homo Erectus into Homo Sapiens. That's how we got the sudden jump in evolution from and that's how we look so different, act so different, and so vastely superior to that of Homo Erectus in terms of intelligence.

In Christianity it was god that made humans and made them masters over the animals.

In reality, it was extraterrestrials, whom we may refer to as angels as that is what they are refer to as in the bible, that came to Earth and created humans, which in return went egotistical thinking they were masters over the Earth. Because they were special. LOL!!!

Humans have always had the knowledge of what had occured, but this knowledge became altered over the proceeding years. The same way an oral story continues to change.

We refer to those that created humanity as gods or angels as being messengers or helpers of gods or god, in the term that if god created mankind through the act of his angels which were solely and strictly under his will (as seen in Islam). And we alter our idea of who created us from many to one, as we went from polytheism to monotheism. Understanding that the center figure was one being, instead of many. And then as our understanding of science began to grew, we turned away from monotheism and became athiest. Though some of us still possess, monothiestic ideas or polythiestic ideas.

But this is all an evolution of thought and understanding during our hundreds of thousands of years on this little rock we call, Earth.

It would be wise not to hinder our true origin and the true creators of our species. Those drow like beings that had evolved millions of years ahead of us in a distant galaxy.

I know it seems farfetched especially for someone that believes having an imbecile like George Wanker Bush. And that person would simply dismiss this with pure nonesense or ask for evidence, which is easy to find. If you want to know what evidence is and can pertain to. But just look at yourself, look at your species, look at the bible, you'll understand eventually what I was talking about, hopefully.

[Fysh]

I don't think that a place like traditional heaven could exist, because it excludes the "evil" part of the soul. I, personally, could never be happy in a place where everyone is 100% good all the time because it would be boring. (That's not to say I don't believe in an afterlife.) There is a necessary duality to nature, and we could not be happy in heaven.

That being said, if heaven did exist, it would mean hell must as well.

[Tobi]

I believe heaven for real.

1. You're a good person after your soul has to go to heaven (care).
2. You're a bad person after your soul has to go to hell (careless).

[Freija]

ill see after i die >_> i think it exists though.

[Tayuya-Lover]

im hoping to rest for eternity, no heaven or hell for me.

[JJninja2013]

definetly can't say it's totally true. My friend once said that we all go to heaven. It just depends on how you behaved in your life on how your gonna live in heaven. Like kind person > mansion, bad guy > coat propped on sticks
*shrug
but that's wha she said. I believe in reincarnation a bit, and also belive that your heaven is being left in your loved ones hearts. hell is if you don't have loved ones, then you will disappear completly.
*shrug
it's a hard subject

[Mopes]

No, heaven is not real. It makes no sense. Its impossible to even know who is going to heaven and who isn't, because the Church is a man-made organization, how do they know any better than we do, especially if (as the Bible says) man is flawed.

Be good in your life and enjoy life for what it is, not in order to be rewarded with some paradise when you die. To me the idea of a place everyone goes to when they die and its a complete paradise where all their dreams come true etc etc is straight out of a surrealist fantasy novel.

[sj2k]

yeah, it has been said, and yeah it is corny, but heaven and hell are all around you. Its your life. Do you live in heaven or hell? Its really what you make of it. In the end, its up to you.