Left 4 Dead... not that great

[Masked Avenger]

I just wanted to say, L4D, one of the most hyped up games I've seen in awhile.

If you have ever wanted to play a game that can only be described as the monsters of "I Am Legend" meets the boring overplayed psychotic gore of "Quarantine" meets Counter-Strike Source, this game is for you.

Source engine? Seriously guys? Seriously? I know its made by the people who developed Counter-Strike, but why do you feel the need to use an almost 5 year old engine, leaving us with inferior graphics, and an almost awkward game play? I know people are running on older computers, but let them play older games, I've seen games made in 06' with superior detail than this, and trust me, with the rest of the game, detail would have made up for a lot.

Oh boy, zombies, this is a completely untapped genre. They run at you in large quantities? Oh wow! That completely took me by surprise.

No story line? Oh.

I'll be honest at this point, I didn't acquire this copy legally, so I haven't played online yet, which I have heard, and am not surprised is superior (If only by a little). I plan to later on to test online features.

What it really comes down to, is an improved Zombie Mod for CS : S. You shoot hordes of monsters all while trying to make it to the next safe house, getting closer to salvation. Not so bad sounding, however, even on Expert, the majority of the enemies don't put up much of a fight, and smart tactics will lead you through a level virtually unharmed.

There are times where you will have to fight off hundreds of zombies as once, as part of the game creators attempt to make it seem like a real scenario, but don't worry, just like a real scenario, you pistol has limitless ammo.

You weapon selection is limited, and it doesn't leave for much creativity, not that there is much creative activity to do, as you will only encounter the same 6 types of zombies in ever mission, dressed up in slightly different clothing.

You will also be delighted to know almost every level looks basically the same inside of buildings, and within these buildings most of the rooms look generally the same, and uninspired at that.

Now I am not saying this is a completely bad game, like I said I've yet to play online, and there were some quirky parts to it.

The dialogue between characters could be amusing at times, I also enjoyed the fact that CPU's we able to defend themselves, and use a bit of common sense when going through the levels. There were also funny little Easter eggs in the form of writing on the walls of safe houses by former survivors.

It is fun to mindlessly kill zombies, but I feel that it gets old fast, they all come at you the same and die the same.

The environment at least when you are outdoors is nice, it really gives that eerie vibe.

Anyways, I just think the game was terribly over hyped for what it delivered. Fanboys are just jerking off to it, but it really didn't meet my expectations for it (which weren't ridiculously high in the first place)

Just thought Id share my thoughts with you.

[Helix]

I'll be honest at this point, I didn't acquire this copy legally, so I haven't played online yet

There's your problem. :zaru

[Masked Avenger]

There's your problem. :zaru

Yeah yeah, but like I said, there is only so much online can do for it.

The environment and the overall game play seemed boring and dry, and the areas were repetitive and uninspired.

[Goofy Titan]

You shouldn't talk when you can't play online, where teamwork makes it fun all the time.

Playing with CPU partners has nothing on a team screaming at each other to work well.

[Freija]

I have 4 words for that game.


Counter Strike with zombies.

[Masked Avenger]

You shouldn't talk when you can't play online, where teamwork makes it fun all the time.

Playing with CPU partners has nothing on a team screaming at each other to work well.

You seem very hostile. I said maybe 3 times that I know online adds to the experience. So let me reiterate, online can only add so much to a poorly designed environment, cliche setting/plot, and not-very-interesting enemies.

I do believe I mentioned I liked the teamwork aspect, and it was one of the good points of the game, that goes without saying that playing with real people would only enhance such a quality.

Again though, it can only do so much, when everything else is lacking.

Also the PS2 game I mentioned was a mistake, I was actually talking about Dead Rising for the 360. It has a similar plot/setting, but everything else was much more creative.

To me the people who made L4D just took CS : S and replaced some character models, very disappointing. Not to say that I didn't enjoy killing zombies.

I have 4 words for that game.


Counter Strike with zombies.


They should honestly be paying royalties to whomever invented zombie mod

[crazymtf]

Uh, there's a left4dead topic you know?

[Masked Avenger]

Well this was my personal review saying it was unpleasant.

Don't be a forum Nazi, burning forum Jews everywhere.

[crazymtf]

Well sorry wasn't very good review. Didn't even play online which does make a difference. Playing L4D offline is like playing Monster Hunter offline. It's not the same, not even slightly as fun.

[Gambitz]

Zombies are overrated now a days.

[Masked Avenger]

Well sorry wasn't very good review. Didn't even play online which does make a difference. Playing L4D offline is like playing Monster Hunter offline. It's not the same, not even slightly as fun.

I think I reviewed every aspect of the game except for online fairly, which I even pointed out the fact that online probably enhances it a little bit. However I made good points that online can only do so much for it.

Don't worry though, I don't hold it against you. I was expecting to face the fanboys/girls/dickgirls who jack off to this game.

[Helix]

Well, to be fair, you are comparing it to the Counter-Strike: Source game so you should treat Left 4 Dead the same. CS : S is an online-based game with no offline play unless you create a server full of bots. Left 4 Dead was created on the basis of teamwork through online play and you were playing it offline with bots.

Online makes a big difference in terms of gameplay and replay value. Playing campaigns or versus mode with friends is tons of fun. Different campaigns on expert is a lot harder, especially on Blood Harvest where zombies are coming in different directions out of the woods and such. Achievements, although they are not worth anything, adds a nice incentive for making the game enjoyable. I agree there is not a great selection of weapons to choose from (10), but Valve always updates with new content like they do with Team Fortress 2. I won't be surprised if they add more modes, weapons, and campaigns in the near future.

It is an arcade-type shooter game based on the zombie apocolpyse so I don't think it is a totally mindless game just killing zombies because it requires teamwork and strategy sometimes. You cannot just run out by yourself and get to the safe room on expert or you're dead. As a person that has played the game for the past 3-4 weeks, it is much more enjoyable online and I've never touched the offline mode.

Overhyped? Maybe. I'm not saying it's the best game ever or my favorite game to play to this date, but it is definetally more fun with other people to try to survive the zombie apocolypse in different movie settings. It's just foolish to judge the game without playing through all that it has to offer.

[shyakugaun]

THE OP IS DRUNK OR HIGH OFF SEABISCUITs LOL. ONLINE IS WHAT L4D IS ALL ABOUT !!!

[Masked Avenger]

Again, you guys are missing the point.

Ok, here is my review of the online portion. It was great, teamwork was so much fun.

However, the levels were still bland, the enemies were still uninspired, and the graphics were still poor compared to what could be created with today's technology.

All these faults are not made up by the fact that online play is awesome. I can find plenty of online games that involve teamwork that are superior.

Does that help clarify?

[Helix]

The environment at least when you are outdoors is nice, it really gives that eerie vibe.

However, the levels were still bland

If the environment is nice, shouldn't the levels not be bland?

the enemies were still uninspired

I don't know what you mean by uninspired. Do you mean lack of variety with the special infected zombies (e.g. Smoker)?

The boomer, smoker, and hunter pretty much act like a team that opposes the surviving team. What I mean is that each special infected draws on the strength of each other, for example, the boomer vomits to alert the horde of zombies, the smoker drags a member away from the surviving team, and the hunters pounch on the remaining survivals. In my opinion, I think the idea of these special infected zombies are pretty original and anymore would just make the game unbalanced. The tank is a wild card to say the least, he is the boss on mainly every map. If there is anything that I would agree with your review is that there could be different bosses or finale scenarios.

the graphics were still poor compared to what could be created with today's technology.

I don't know what you have your settings on or what video card you use, but the graphics on my game are great. However, graphics does not always affect how well the game plays out.

Ok, here is my review of the online portion. It was great, teamwork was so much fun.

That seemed pretty fast, if you ask me, from the time that you originally posted your review. Did you really play the online thoroughly?


I can find plenty of online games that involve teamwork that are superior.

Do you mind listing other co-op games you think are superior?

Does that help clarify?

I guess a little bit.

Anyways, that is all I have to say about the game. If you like it, you like it. If you hate it, you hate it. I'm just trying to voice my opinion because you seem to come off a little bias with your review because you mention it was an overused genre for a game. It is a survival arcade type game so I don't know what you were expecting for a concrete storyline, you can read a book if you want a story.

[Stumpy]

You sound like a person who solo'd all the way through an MMO and then didn't participate at all in the endgame and now whines about it on internet forums because he completely missed the point. Really, in what way did you think it was smart to solo a co-op game like L4D?

Get three RL friends, get Left 4 Dead, and play that shit right.

That seemed pretty fast, if you ask me, from the time that you originally posted your review. Did you really play the online thoroughly?
I believe that was hypothetical. He basically said "Let's say I really enjoy the online play. That doesn't change the fact that blah blah blah..."

[Rock Lee]

Uh, there's a left4dead topic you know?

Come on whity his opinion on a game that is suppose to be enjoyed online is worthy of its own thread.

[Masked Avenger]

You sound like a person who solo'd all the way through an MMO and then didn't participate at all in the endgame and now whines about it on internet forums because he completely missed the point. Really, in what way did you think it was smart to solo a co-op game like L4D?

Get three RL friends, get Left 4 Dead, and play that shit right.


I believe that was hypothetical. He basically said "Let's say I really enjoy the online play. That doesn't change the fact that blah blah blah..."

You seem like a guy who tries to make posts in order to sound smart.

There is no reason I could critique the game on things other than its online play, unless you are willing to tell me that you would only like to see L4D reviews that covered the online aspect. I mentioned in my OP I didn't play online for a reason, so that people know I understood the fact that online adds a whole new aspect, I think I even outright said it. So to try and portray me as someone who has missed the point is only making you look like a douche.

@ Shadow, how am I biased in my review? I mentioned several times that I hadn't played online and admitted it would add a new level to the game. The point I am trying to drive across is that all the other aspects of the game can't be compensated with online alone, and that they could have produced a lot better than what they did.

As far as bland enemies, yes I meant lack of variety. If you play it right, the only thing that will do damage to you are tanks and witches.

I said the game was pretty good, I enjoyed kill zombies and will enjoy playing it online no doubt, however every other point I mentioned is vaild and I think all of you would have taken them into more account if I hadnt mentioned I hadnt played online.

No its not my graphics card either thats the issue, its the fact that the game was made on the almost 5 year old source engine. I love playing Battlefield 2142, which was made in 06' is very teamwork based, and has far superior graphics. I'm also not a visuals whore, I just think there was no reason to make it with such outdated tools.

As I mentioned before, the Battlefield series is a great Co-op game, obviously the genres are totally different, but if you are talking about straight up FPS games that involve teamwork, BF outdoes it on a major scale. Obviously you have to take out some variables such as the nature of the game, but the overall theme stands.

[SmackyTheFrog]

As far as bland enemies, yes I meant lack of variety. If you play it right, the only thing that will do damage to you are tanks and witches.


If you play it right in versus a good team of zombies could tear a team apart in less than 10% distance. Also in campaign on expert I've yet to see that actually happen no matter how good your teamwork is. In fact I've not seen that happen even on advanced or expert.

But your right on how the offline sucks.

[Masked Avenger]

If you play it right in versus a good team of zombies could tear a team apart in less than 10% distance. Also in campaign on expert I've yet to see that actually happen no matter how good your teamwork is. In fact I've not seen that happen even on advanced or expert.

But your right on how the offline sucks.

Its not even offline, offline was the smallest portion of my review, its just that the dumbass fanboys were like "OMG HE DOESBT LIEK L4D LETS PICK APART HIS POST"

I will conclude with saying one more time, even with online factored in, L4D is still a mediocre game, one of those that will eventually be put in the back of the figurative shelf once the hype is gone.

[Ssj3_Goku]

Yeah yeah, but like I said, there is only so much online can do for it.

The environment and the overall game play seemed boring and dry, and the areas were repetitive and uninspired.

The game was made soley for Online co op / Multi player. Co op being the big portion of the game. Developer's of the title said this for years.

So you basically ignored all that and jumped in. O well.



Plus why not the source engine? One of the greatest and highest rated FPS's of all time use the source engine and no one ever complained.

[Masked Avenger]

The game was made soley for Online co op / Multi player. Co op being the big portion of the game. Developer's of the title said this for years.

So you basically ignored all that and jumped in. O well.



Plus why not the source engine? One of the greatest and highest rated FPS's of all time use the source engine and no one ever complained.

Its outdated for its time. How many more times will I have to say it?

If it was pixels on a screen, and it had really good online game play would you still regard it so highly?

The single player was only a small part of my critique. Everything else I comment on carries over to the online (game play, variety, graphics, ect.)

So stop trying to pin me down based on only a portion of what I said.

[Ssj3_Goku]

Its outdated for its time. How many more times will I have to say it?

This is true in some ways. However, the physics and the additions they keep adding onto the engine make it better than most today.


If it was pixels on a screen, and it had really good online game play would you still regard it so highly?

Your basically saying the game looks like crap, when honestly it does not. The art style of the characters is one of the best around.

Some area's are a little bland but what is sickening is how you are really hammering on this game's graphics (the pc one btw looks really good).

I play Super mario Galaxy and those graphics are not realistic at all but it's one of the highest rated games of this generation.

We can keep arguing about graphics, but your making it out that the game looks like crap. When honestly it does not.


The single player was only a small part of my critique. Everything else I comment on carries over to the online (game play, variety, graphics, ect.)

The thing is though you never played the online version of the game. Therefore you should really have no opinion
on the matter since you really did not play the online portion at all.



So stop trying to pin me down based on only a portion of what I said.

Then stop making flaw's in your arguments.



Overall the game is not "amazing" but it is one of the only great online type zombie games around. But in terms of quality of the game it does deserve the 8's out of 10's its been getting.

Also the AI director is a piece of work in itself, every time I play the game it feels different.

[Masked Avenger]

Ill say it one more time. Online isn't going to add more to it.

I did not say it looked like shit, I said it could look a whole lot better.

And comparing it to Sunshine is a bad analogy, because Sunshine is beautifully animated, while L4D WAS TRYING to push the whole realism factor, so yes I would expect realism from it, on a scale thats on par with most modern games.

The reason its so popular is because like you said, its the only one of its kind.

I don't know exactly what flaws there are in my arguments.

I also critiqued the setting (does that not carry over to the online portion?). Aside from the outdoors, all of the insides of the buildings look the same (Warehouses all look the same, offices all look the same, and houses all look the same) and all the rooms within those buildings have the same general layout, again, they were really pushing the realism so I mean... what do you want me to say?

I can have plenty of opinion, I didn't critique the online portion at all, I commented on everything else, which I am well within my rights to do. You probably think I am giving the overall game a bad rating without playing the online. No, but I don't think the online adds that spectacular of an addition that it makes ups for everything else, its that simple.

Playing with real people to fight zombies played by real people, great, awesome, cool, its a little more difficult, and more fun, in the end it doesn't compensate for everything else.

[Ssj3_Goku]

I do agree with the point that valve could have done a bit better in terms of each campaign and how it looks in terms of not re using the same stuff for certain areas.


Ill say it one more time. Online isn't going to add more to it.

So what your saying is online adds nothing?

Well do you play single player MMO's? What if those were not online.

what if FPS's never had multi player? Does multi player in FPS's add anything?(yes it does).




And comparing it to Sunshine is a bad analogy, because Sunshine is beautifully animated, while L4D WAS TRYING to push the whole realism factor
They where not trying to push anything, not sure who told you that. Did the developer's say they where going to try and push for the best realism out there? Nope they did not.


What they did say though was that they where pushing the AI in video games with there AI directory and enhance the gameplay more that was as well.

By god there did well on that part.




Playing with real people to fight zombies played by real people, great, awesome, cool, its a little more difficult, and more fun, in the end it doesn't compensate for everything else.

Fun and good gameplay trump's pretty much a-lot these days.

[SmackyTheFrog]

Its not even offline, offline was the smallest portion of my review, its just that the dumbass fanboys were like "OMG HE DOESBT LIEK L4D LETS PICK APART HIS POST"

I will conclude with saying one more time, even with online factored in, L4D is still a mediocre game, one of those that will eventually be put in the back of the figurative shelf once the hype is gone.

Well, usually this game is so fast paced that I don't take time to notice the environment. Always running, shooting, or someone needs help. IMO, online and coop is the make or break point of this game. If this game didn't have online or coop, I would not bother with this game.

I can picture myself still playing this game 2 years from now as long as they update it. I can say I'm equally excited for the release of new contents for this game as I was for the entire game itself.

[Mecha-Kisame]

I love playing the demo on XBL.

I wouldn't pay $60 for it, though.

[Zaru]

I can picture myself still playing this game 2 years from now as long as they update it. I can say I'm equally excited for the release of new contents for this game as I was for the entire game itself.

If they update it for free in an extent of Team Fortress 2, then you're in for some treats.

[Akira]

I love the L4D gameplay but pretty much everything else is meh. Source engine is really starting to show it's age, the game is very short, there isn't a story at all and the gameplay itself isn't very varied.
For some people the fun gameplay > all the negatives, but for others a little more substance is required so I can see where the OP is coming from.

Personally I don't think L4D is worth full price, but that's just me.

[Shika-Chou]

It's all about the online play :sag

[Psysalis]

Hell im just fine with the game but hey we have all have our opinions. I never get tired of playing versus mode though , that shit is way too fun. Well im gonna go play it now :p

[Squall Leonhart]

I don't really care about the graphics, because even though they're still using the Source engine - it looks great in my opinion.
About the lack of story, again I don't really care, and why? because it's meant to be a multiplayer game, it's like asking why CS or TF2 don't have storylines.

But what I do think is that the game gets old real fast, I mean.. I've finished all the campaigns lots of times, on a different difficulty settings, I've played enough in the Versus mode, and even with the Director it just feels the same after a while.
I've played something around 20 hours (+\-) and after that I stopped playing the game, it just feels the same all the time =/


It could have been cool if they added a Survivors VS. Zombies mode, where you play as one of this teams from the beginning of the campaign until the end (unlike the Versus mode where it's more like Team A VS. Team B, because let's face it - we want to play as zombies only sometimes), and of course unlock Death Toll and Dead Air campaigns too.
Another cool thing which I don't think is possible with L4D is making a map changer, like they did with the Director, only that this tool allows them to change the structure of the map so it will never feel the same and you won't be able to just rush your way knowing where to go, for me it looks even more important than the Director.

[Toffeeman]

I stopped reading when you basically started hating on the Source engine..

It may be "5 years old" but in mine and many others' opinion it's still the best game engine out there. The visuals are clean and polished without oversaturating the environment with pointless vegetation/rubble/debris and stupid lighting that you see clogging up most modern "realistic" games, it runs fantastically well on most systems less than 3-4 years old, and is the most adaptable engine to date as it is capable of constantly evolving, which it has proved in several instances since Half-Life 2 was first released.

L4D itself was specifically marketed at the multiplayer survival-horror crowd and had been in development before HL2:EP2 was even released. The time and care that has gone into it is very apparent, and is one of the most polished, fun, and replayable games out today.

Bad "review" imo..

[Masked Avenger]

Bad "review" imo..

Oh thats a shame, if my opinion doesnt matter, Id have to say I dont quite give a fuck about yours.


Because Left 4 Dead is a new property for us, we wanted to provide some basic player training prior to the start of the game. Traditional in-game training mechanics didn't make sense for Left 4 Dead, because they would take away from the sense that players had been immediately dropped into a very real, very dire zombie apocalypse. We didn't want a slow ramp-up in gameplay to take away from that tension.

Looks like they were going for realism to me.

Anyways, the opinions of fanboys do not concern me.

I pointed out bad points and I pointed out good points, so it wasnt a one sided review but the bad points far out weight the good points. So all you fanboys can go jerk off in your circles and cry about it.


So what your saying is online adds nothing?

So Ive been saying in every post it adds little, and you are going to pick the one post where I messed up and said it adds nothing? Good job.

[Toffeeman]

Oh FFS..

It's an online multiplayer game... so how can the online component of an online multiplayer game add "little" to it??

Christ, you're not making very much sense..

[Naruto]

Get Garena and play it online. Then you can be officially disappointed and uninstall it for good.

That's what I did :zaru

It may be "5 years old" but in mine and many others' uneducated opinion it's still the best game engine out there.

Fixed it for you :xzaru

[Bonds]

I got bored of the online play in the 1st week. They say it's supposed to be a new experience each time but it really is the same shit over and over again. Fun for a bit, but meh, I already moved on.

[Masked Avenger]

I got bored of the online play in the 1st week. They say it's supposed to be a new experience each time but it really is the same shit over and over again. Fun for a bit, but meh, I already moved on.

Exactly, glad two people share my view.

[Shoddragon]

I'm just gonna break down your points:


Why are they still using the source engine when its so old?

Because it works. Its a very good engine, it gets the job done ( well I might add), and is easily flexible. Things can be added and removed fast, and altered with ease.

"The Graphics are horrible"

What? maybe you have a horrible PC or something.... but it looks great on my 360 and 42 inch HDTV on JUST 720p. You have no proof of anything until you run it at optimal resolution. Anyway, your "opinion" could simply be an opinion of art style vs graphic quality. In fact, you said yourself "Sunshine was beautifully animated". I can tell now your merely critiquing the art style. Your like the people who complain that One Piece has shit art because they dislike the art style vs actual art quality. DO NOT mistake art style for quality dude.

"Bland environments"

Nope. You go from a building, to a subway, to a hospital, to a hospital roof waiting for a helicopter in 1 campaign, to eventually going to a boathouse in another campaign, to an Airport in campaign 3, and a forest in another campaign, each with 5 "acts" inside of the campaigns, with different looking environments. Your simply overanalyzing the environments because "every door looks the same", or "the streets" look the same. Last time I checked, most streets in real life DO look the same, so sorry if things in Left 4 Dead look similar.

Gameplay

It plays like counter strike, but more made for zombies. Regardless, it feels familiar, and WORKS. I don't care if its been done before, it works and doesn't get old.

Online only adds a little
This is where most people simply stop listening to you. This is like saying that counter strike:source online is barely better than a server with you and everything else as bots. Left 4 Dead was MADE for online play, so this point is 100% invalid. It adds much more to the game because it changes the experience, human players add more depth to the gameplay, therefore this is the part of your "review" which simply cannot be accepted as an opinion, but blatant bashing of the best part of a game.

[Naruto]

Look, obviously this game is only worth playing online, but this is not much different from an old zombie mod for Counter Strike.

CS itself is a game that's been played for years. It's not that this game doesn't work, it's that, at least coming from me, someone who played FPS's (counter strike included) for a decade now, this game is just more of the same. After your 9999th shooter, you crave for something new. This game fails to deliver.

I think what the guy meant by "the multiplayer can only do so much" is quite simply that he has seen what the game is all about, he's been there, done that, and adding more people isn't going to show him some new level of online carnage that no other game has shown before.

And then, to boot, this game is still on the source engine. And, I'm sorry, I don't wanna hate on valve or anything, but they need make something new. The fact that they're squeezing the money out of die hard fans doesn't make their source engine up to the standards of modern gaming.

I mean dear god, the third unreal engine totally shits on this, any day of the week. And it does so with such ease, it's funny. Superior bump mapping, shadows, lighting, model support, precaching, shaders, yada yada.

You can tell me source still looks decent enough, but you can't, in good conscience, tell me you truly believe it's still the best engine around.

Because seriously, it hasn't been the best engine around for years. Even upon its release it was closely matched by the ID3 engine and Torque.

[Masked Avenger]

I'm just gonna break down your points:


Why are they still using the source engine when its so old?

Because it works. Its a very good engine, it gets the job done ( well I might add), and is easily flexible. Things can be added and removed fast, and altered with ease.


It was a good engine for its time, time to update.


"The Graphics are horrible"

What? maybe you have a horrible PC or something.... but it looks great on my 360 and 42 inch HDTV on JUST 720p. You have no proof of anything until you run it at optimal resolution. Anyway, your "opinion" could simply be an opinion of art style vs graphic quality. In fact, you said yourself "Sunshine was beautifully animated". I can tell now your merely critiquing the art style. Your like the people who complain that One Piece has shit art because they dislike the art style vs actual art quality. DO NOT mistake art style for quality dude.


No, I have an nVIDIA 9800GT, a very good card and I run it on a sharp Samsung monitor, the graphics quality is poor compared to modern games.

You are obviously an idiot for saying I have a biased art taste, as I also mentioned Battlefield 2142, for having far superior graphics than L4D, and also being a completely different style than Mario Sunshine, as it is much more realistic.

So I don't know what you "can tell" but I can tell you are a douche.

Its 2009, time to stop making graphics from '05, 2142 itself was made back in '06


"Bland environments"

Nope. You go from a building, to a subway, to a hospital, to a hospital roof waiting for a helicopter in 1 campaign, to eventually going to a boathouse in another campaign, to an Airport in campaign 3, and a forest in another campaign, each with 5 "acts" inside of the campaigns, with different looking environments. Your simply overanalyzing the environments because "every door looks the same", or "the streets" look the same. Last time I checked, most streets in real life DO look the same, so sorry if things in Left 4 Dead look similar.

How does changing scenes make an environment not bland? Did you look at all the rooms in every building, every hospital? They were all identical. I already said the outsides looked different, as in when you are going from building to building, but most of the time expect for most of the finalies, you are in a building, and all of them look the same.


Gameplay

It plays like counter strike, but more made for zombies. Regardless, it feels familiar, and WORKS. I don't care if its been done before, it works and doesn't get old.

Ill save myself the $50 and just play Zombie Mod on source by your logic then.


Online only adds a little
This is where most people simply stop listening to you. This is like saying that counter strike:source online is barely better than a server with you and everything else as bots. Left 4 Dead was MADE for online play, so this point is 100% invalid. It adds much more to the game because it changes the experience, human players add more depth to the gameplay, therefore this is the part of your "review" which simply cannot be accepted as an opinion, but blatant bashing of the best part of a game.

Not at all, for its time, Counter Strike had great graphics, and great game play. The environment was also not designed to be explored, but rather your main goal is strategic aiming, and mastery of a weapon, so nothing that I have critiqued here could be applied to original Counter Strike, you would have to look at it from a totally different way.

Zombies cant shoot at you, and if they could they wouldnt do it with the precision of a real human, which is what sets L4D apart from CS/CS: S in the regard of improved online experience.

[SmackyTheFrog]

I personally hate CS and CSS, and this game is nothing like the zombie mod. In fact this might be the only valve game I like aside from portal.

I've played FPS games for over 5 years, and this is the most fun I've had with an FPS for a while.

[Cardboard Jewsuke]

Well, i guess not everyone can be born with good taste. Thanks for showing me that OP.

[Masked Avenger]

Well, i guess not everyone can be born with good taste. Thanks for showing me that OP.

Thanks for showing you are a moron unable to realize that not everyone shares your opinion.

Im getting the game as a gift. Ill play it online today, and if I end up liking it, Ill post porn all over these boards until I get banned.

Games that are great that I have personally played:

Final Fantasy X (For its amazing storyline and detailed environment)

Counter-Strike (For its great use of actual gun mechanics, making gun handling skills take on a much more important role in an FPS)

GTA Series (For their innovation with pushing the "sandbox" mode, and more recently for its interesting take on physics)

Battlefield Series (For its great online play, very varies environments, and true use of tactical team play)

Main Mario Titles (i.e. Mario games that actually involve Mario not playing a sport/going to a party, i.e. Mario Brothers, Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine ect. Classic games that really stretch the imagination, fun and creative)

I can go on, with more modern and some classic games, but I dont think I could specifically tell you what was great about each game, or it would get repetitive. I guess all those are in my "bad taste" too.

L4D, a zombie shoot-em-up game. Sorry, not impressed.

[Kumoriken]

Cool troll, bro.

Barely finished the first bullshit-filled paragraph before I raged too much to go on.
10/10, etc.

[Masked Avenger]

Cool troll, bro.

Barely finished the first bullshit-filled paragraph before I raged too much to go on.
10/10, etc.

That would be because you are a fanboy.

But you are right, Ill give you the benefit of the the doubt and say the first bullshit paragraph was about the Source engine being 5 years old.

You are totally right, dates are complete bullshit.

[Kumoriken]

That would be because you are a fanboy.

But you are right, Ill give you the benefit of the the doubt and say the first bullshit paragraph was about the Source engine being 5 years old.

You are totally right, dates are complete bullshit.

Sup troll?
Havin' fun trolling there?
'Cause I think you're doin' a mighty fine job trolling these here forums and whatnot.
Troll trolly McTroll Troll, etc.

Also, right. Fanboy. For a game that just came out. Entirely.
Cough cough troll cough. :3

[Akira]

Wow..just wow.

Difference of opinion = Troll?

[Naruto]

Honestly this thread should be closed. Not because there's anything wrong with the OP, but because there's flaming and flamebait going on, and this discussion is clearly not going anywhere.

[NinjaKillX]

I lurve CS:S and the Zombie Mod so.
Flark Yah =D

[Naruko]

I was hoping things would mellow in here overnight but it doesn't look like it. There is already a left 4 dead thread for any discussion about the game (I initially left this open per the OP's desire to have a personal chat about it) but it's getting to be that folks need asbestos knickers to come in here. I'm going to recycle it (no one loses post count, so no hissy fits please) and if y'all *really* want to keep talking about left 4 dead, do it in the existing thread, pretty please (and be nice). Thanks :)