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Willaien
11-18-2008, 08:50 PM
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. – State officials on Tuesday took into protective custody 21 children associated with an evangelical group whose founder faces federal child sex charges.

The children, all younger than 18 and part of the Tony Alamo Christian Ministries, were taken while custody hearings were being held for six girls seized during a September raid of Alamo's compound in Fouke, in southwest Arkansas. The court must decide whether the girls should be returned to their parents or remain in state care.

Authorities took three children into custody Tuesday at the courthouse in Texarkana, 130 miles southwest of Little Rock. Police seized the other 18 children from two vans during a traffic stop, said Julie Munsell, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Human Services. She said she didn't know why the children were in the vans or where they were headed, and she declined to elaborate on the court order, which cites allegations of neglect and physical abuse as the reason for the seizures.

On Monday, a 14-year-old girl taken by the state during the September raid testified that Alamo molested her, counted a number of young girls as his wives, and coached her and others to say they weren't touched improperly or beaten.

She said Alamo crept up behind her while she was showering, held his hand over her mouth and sexually molested her. She said Alamo warned her to keep quiet, saying if she didn't, she'd be beaten by a man who witnesses have described as Alamo's enforcer.

Alamo, 74, is charged with two counts of transporting a juvenile across state lines for sex, once in 2004 and again the following year. The preacher, listed in court documents by his real name, Bernie Lazar Hoffman, has pleaded not guilty to the federal charges, each of which carries a sentence of 10 years to life in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. He is in jail in Texarkana awaiting trial, which is set to begin in February.

Alamo has preached that the Bible allows young girls to marry once they reach puberty but has said he didn't adopt the practice.

His attorney, John Wesley Hall Jr., said Tuesday he doubts Alamo can get a fair trial in Texarkana because of the media scrutiny surrounding the case. He said Alamo is an easy target in the child welfare hearings because Alamo is in jail and can't attend the hearings.

"Tony Alamo is not able to be there to defend himself, not able to cross-examine these people, which is a fundamental right," Hall said.

The 14-year-old girl, who spent much of her time in Alamo's organization in Fort Smith, testified that Alamo coached her and others to say they weren't sexually molested or beaten, and said Alamo recorded interviews with the girls to document the statements.

"Tony told us what he was going to ask us and what we were supposed to say," the girl testified.

The girl reiterated claims by witnesses at a bond hearing last month, including that Alamo had taken several young girls as wives.

She listed eight names, including Alamo's legal wife, Sharon Alamo, as being the "sisters in the house" at Alamo's residence in Fouke, where she said she lived for a time.

"They all wear wedding rings. They go into his room at night and close the door. They're the only ones that do that," said the girl, who said she lived for a time at Alamo's Fouke residence.

An 18-year-old man testified about being beaten several times by Alamo's alleged enforcer, and said he'd also watched his sister get beaten.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081118/ap_on_re_us/evangelist_child_abuse

Amaretti
11-18-2008, 08:54 PM
Atheists in five... four... three... two...

Sama'el
11-18-2008, 09:07 PM
Atheist reporting in.

Though, I do say religion has very little to do with why these kids are being taken away. It's freaking Arkansas, for crying out loud. The kid's welfare should be of prime importance.

escamoh
11-18-2008, 09:08 PM
DAMN RELIGION EVIL EVIL EVIL !!

Ice Prince
11-18-2008, 09:10 PM
Atheist reporting in.

Though, I do say religion has very little to do with why these kids are being taken away. It's freaking Arkansas, for crying out loud. The kid's welfare should be of prime importance.

I agree with that statement as well.

Caelus
11-18-2008, 09:46 PM
Hey, as long as these kids are out of a situation like that, I'm happy. Won't even talk about the religious aspect of it.

Goongasnootch
11-18-2008, 10:29 PM
As an Atheist, I'm pretty sure that this guy would've found another good cause to use as a ruse to get young girls in his grasp provided that religion didn't exist.

Coteaz
11-18-2008, 10:50 PM
Atheists in five... four... three... two...
Human being reporting in. :zaru

Guy sounds like a winnar.

iander
11-18-2008, 10:58 PM
I love when they use the word compound. Its almost like a key word for crazy cult now a days.

Aina
11-18-2008, 11:57 PM
Atheist reporting in.

Though, I do say religion has very little to do with why these kids are being taken away. It's freaking Arkansas, for crying out loud. The kid's welfare should be of prime importance.

My opinion is explained in the post above. :>

FlyMolo
11-19-2008, 02:27 AM
That is not religion do not even dare compare this to religion! That is a cult my friends, big difference.

Lord Yu
11-19-2008, 02:29 AM
WTF? I thought you meant Ark the member. This would be a new type of piracy I'd think...argh

Saufsoldat
11-19-2008, 02:40 AM
That is not religion do not even dare compare this to religion! That is a cult my friends, big difference.

What difference is there? The fact that "cults" don't agree with your moral perspective?

FlyMolo
11-19-2008, 02:53 AM
Negative if I felt that way I would also call Islam a cult, which it is not. Here's a definition.

By its primary dictionary definition, the term cult just means a system of religious beliefs or rituals. It is based on a farming term in Latin meaning cultivation. Sociologists and anthropologists sometimes use the term cult to describe religious structure or belief patterns with meanings (usually non-pejorative) unique to their disciplines. In modern usage, the term cult is often used by the general public to describe any religious group they view as strange or dangerous. Thus, cult can describe religious leaders or organizations that employ abusive, manipulative, or illegal control over their followers' lives. In addition to these usages, Christians generally have a doctrinal component to their use of the word. Cult in this sense, is a counterfeit or serious deviation from the doctrines of classical Christianity. Watchman Fellowship usually uses the term cult with a Christian or doctrinal definition in mind. In most cases the group claims to be Christian, but because of their aberrant beliefs on central doctrines of the faith (God, Jesus, and salvation), the organization is not considered by Watchman Fellowship to be part of orthodox, biblical Christianity.

Tony Alamo, leader of this group, has been imprisoned by authorities for alleged illegal activities. Teaches traditional Christianity is dead. Former followers have reported deplorable living conditions, mind control, and slave labor. Operates Music Square Church in TN, Holiness Tabernacle in Dyer, AR, and End Times Book is the publishing arm.


http://www.wfial.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=archives.index&#top

Robot-Overlord
11-19-2008, 03:00 AM
Just Humans being very sick Humans :zaru

The Space Cowboy
11-19-2008, 03:50 AM
And this is why we make incest jokes about Arkansas.

Xyloxi
11-19-2008, 04:20 AM
That is not religion do not even dare compare this to religion! That is a cult my friends, big difference.

The only difference is numbers. :zaru

The Pink Ninja
11-19-2008, 05:32 AM
What is it with America and cults?

That said, this trial is looking a little bogus, but I'm not an expert on Ark. State law

mister_manji
11-19-2008, 06:17 AM
the term cult just means a system of religious beliefs or rituals
It meets the definition you provided. idiot.

he probably would have found a way to do this, crazy polygamy church or no.

Camille
11-19-2008, 08:13 AM
Lolreligion :zaru

In all seriousness, this Alamo guy is a sick fuck...8 wives?

dummy plug
11-19-2008, 10:40 PM
another one of those i guess :oh

Verdius
11-20-2008, 03:14 AM
And this is why we make wincest jokes about Arkansas.

There we go, all fixed.

GrimaH
11-20-2008, 03:59 AM
Negative if I felt that way I would also call Islam a cult, which it is not. Here's a definition.

By its primary dictionary definition, the term cult just means a system of religious beliefs or rituals.

Epic self-ownage. I congratulate you for such a fantastic achievement.

Cardboard Jewsuke
11-20-2008, 05:28 AM
Arkansas cares about children? News to me.