Anbu vs Konoha Police

[vagnard]

Anbu: the special squad of assassins and spies

vs

Konoha Internal Police: dedicated to the public order inside Konoha.

[gomen]

If you mean the Uchiha clan I'll vote for them. :)

[meatpie]

KPD all the way...

The anbu are over-rated.

[Insipidipity]

But ANBU have jurisdiction over the police. Not to mention it'd take 3 squads of ANBU to take down Orochimaru, it'd take the entire police force to do the same(and maybe even fail at taht.

[Invisus]

But ANBU have jurisdiction over the police. Not to mention it'd take 3 squads of ANBU to take down Orochimaru, it'd take the entire police force to do the same(and maybe even fail at taht.

Anbu don't have Jurisdiction over the police, merely they can't be arrested without the Hokages order.

[Insipidipity]

Sorry I didn't mean jurisdiction, I mean they have priority, they can tell the Police to back off.

Besides, its like saying who's better a group of assassins or a bunch of police officers? The assassins will wipe them out as fast as Itachi. In fact, Itachi was ANBU captain when he did the deed so technically an ANBU did kill all the Police.

[AnbuTsunaku]

ive got to stick up for anbu afterall it is part of my name, lol.

[Invisus]

Sorry I didn't mean jurisdiction, I mean they have priority, they can tell the Police to back off.

Besides, its like saying who's better a group of assassins or a bunch of police officers? The assassins will wipe them out as fast as Itachi. In fact, Itachi was ANBU captain when he did the deed so technically an ANBU did kill all the Police.

It's not anything like that, firstly the Police aren't regular police officers they are military police. Second the Anbu don't get to order them around, they simply can't arrest one unless it's okayed by the Hokage first. That doesn't mean they are higher ranked, only that they need that kind of movement since they may be undercover for whatever reasons or may be doing something for the Hokage that isn't to be public knowledge.

Also the Konoha police have to enforce the law on people like Hiashi, Kakashi, Gai, etc. So chances are they are going to be stronger on average than that of the Anbu who are composed of anybody between Chuunin and Jounin. That and the Police aren't only Uchiha's, there could easily be many Hyuuga's, Akamichi, Inuzuka, etc. on the force as well.

[Moritsune]

i'll go with ANBU, they are sweet, and the KPF didn't show anything spectacular skill wise.

[Chatulio]

im goingwith anbu becouse they get cool mask and body armor :amuse

[Hyuuga-YoungIsh]

Wait wasnt itachi and kakashi apart of the anbu I think imma go with them!!!lol

[skmt999]

Um, here's where I sound stupid. But I thought ANBU is KPD? Basically the same organization, with different levels or something like that. If there's a distinciton, then duh, Anbu wins since they're leet like that.

[Insipidipity]

It's not anything like that, firstly the Police aren't regular police officers they are military police. Second the Anbu don't get to order them around, they simply can't arrest one unless it's okayed by the Hokage first. That doesn't mean they are higher ranked, only that they need that kind of movement since they may be undercover for whatever reasons or may be doing something for the Hokage that isn't to be public knowledge.

Also the Konoha police have to enforce the law on people like Hiashi, Kakashi, Gai, etc. So chances are they are going to be stronger on average than that of the Anbu who are composed of anybody between Chuunin and Jounin. That and the Police aren't only Uchiha's, there could easily be many Hyuuga's, Akamichi, Inuzuka, etc. on the force as well.
Alright, we have ANBU, who of the known characters has had Kakashi, Itachi, and Ibiki
On the other hand, on KPD we've had the dead Uchiha clan. That is of the known characters...

When Orochimaru came, Anko told them to get "2 squads of ANBU" not "2 squads of the police" and this is the same Orochimaru who was said to be able to take over a small country on his own. So 2 squads of ANBU > a small country. Konoha Police Department basically is the toughest people from that small country.

[Sobe]

I think we'd need to know the police in Konoha currently since the Uchiha clan aren't exactly in charge of it anymore. Besides even if they were, all we've seen from Uchiha is Itachi who was in ANBU so that cancels out, Sasuke who is still a Genin, Obito who was pretty weak, and Kakashi if you want to count him with his transplant eye, who was of course also in ANBU.

Also, you have to realize ANBU are tactical organization, they perform assasinations and other top secret missions and such, Police Force more than likely investigates crimes as shown when they confronted Itachi. Therefore, I'd have to conclude that ANBU are better trained, they are more organized and team oriented (as seen in Chuuin Exam), and probably possess more specialty skills. More combat experience than the Police Force no question. My vote goes for ANBU.

[Invisus]

Alright, we have ANBU, who of the known characters has had Kakashi, Itachi, and Ibiki

Kakashi quit being an Anbu and is now only a Jounin who would be under the jurisdiction of the KPD, Itachi was a Chuunin when he was picked and obviously no one knew how strong he really was except for maybe the Uchiha- not to mention he was the one who said "Only superior Shinobi can enforce the law on other Shinobi..."

And Ibiki is a Special Jounin, color me unimpressed.


On the other hand, on KPD we've had the dead Uchiha clan. That is of the known characters...

The KPD aren't only the Uchiha, the Uchiha were simply the first division and they were killed by someone who put the fear in Orochimaru when he was a kid. It's hardly a fair comparison, though if you wanna talk, we've seen tons of Anbu getting their ass beat left and right by people weaker than Itachi so I guess they suck too.


When Orochimaru came, Anko told them to get "2 squads of ANBU" not "2 squads of the police" and this is the same Orochimaru who was said to be able to take over a small country on his own. So 2 squads of ANBU > a small country. Konoha Police Department basically is the toughest people from that small country.

So? That's what the Anbu are for, they are at the beck and call at all times. The KPD would be busy making sure nothing goes to shit while the Sand, and other ninja villages where in Konoha. It's not like Anko is going to withdraw the police to go hunt for Orochimaru when it's the job of the Anbu to do such a thing.

And no, if the Anbu had gone off to get Orochimaru they most likely would have died. There is a reason Sarutobi chose to kill Orochimaru himself and why he said that no ninja existed in Konoha that could stand against him. If it were that simple he would have had a bunch of ninja's go after him, but since Kakashi nearly crapped his pants at the thought of going against Orochimaru while Kabuto who is similar in strength was able to turn a few of them into soil without appearently breaking a sweat.

Also since the death of the Uchiha, it's likely that the police force is lacking somewhat in manpower.

Edit: I think the problem we have here is that you guys are comparing the Konoha police to that of a normal police force. And sure, that would work, if the people who live in the village weren't composed of Ninja's who have been trained to kill, spy, etc.

The KPD are trained to deal with all the citizens of Konoha it's not like your normal neighbourhood police, they don't drive around in patrol cars dealing with the non-ninja's they bust the Konoha Ninja's.

They are Ninja's that enforce the law on other Ninja's.

[Insipidipity]

Kakashi quit being an Anbu and is now only a Jounin who would be under the jurisdiction of the KPD, Itachi was a Chuunin when he was picked and obviously no one knew how strong he really was except for maybe the Uchiha- not to mention he was the one who said "Only superior Shinobi can enforce the law on other Shinobi..."

And Ibiki is a Special Jounin, color me unimpressed.

The KPD aren't only the Uchiha, the Uchiha were simply the first division and they were killed by someone who put the fear in Orochimaru when he was a kid. It's hardly a fair comparison, though if you wanna talk, we've seen tons of Anbu getting their ass beat left and right by people weaker than Itachi so I guess they suck too.
You must've misread what I wrote, I said, of the ANBU, the only ones of whom we knew(characters we've seen before) they HAD(meaning in the past) those people. Yes they left. Otherwise I wouldn't have said "had" and yes I know theres more, thats why I said of the ones we knew...
Ibiki is a special jounin who just so happens to be a specialist in assassinations and interrogations/torture, even Kakashi thought him as a sadist. Its not the size of the (insert animal here) in the fight, its the size of the fight in the (insert animal here). He's a sadistic SOB who you really don't want to fight because he won't just kill you, he'll torment your last moments. Unimpressive but intimidating.

"tons of ANBU". We've had a handful of ANBU killed by Kabuto, who's of Kakashi's skill, more killed by Orochimaru...who else? Seriously, people overestimate the number of ANBU killed just because they're used as a foil to show just how damn powerful some of these guys are. Theres a difference between "no ninja" and "no squad of ninjas". 2 squads is a lot. Remember that it was said that the Kaguya were no matched for an organized military, same principle applies here, a couple dozen guys well trained and organized could at least drive Orochimaru out temporarily until the Hokage could face him.

[Sobe]

They are Ninja's that enforce the law on other Ninja's.Yes, but as I said I don't think they go out hunting for criminal ninjas or anything of the sort. My guess is they simply investigate and interagate suspects or witnesses, therefore they are trained more in the aspects of wits, while the ANBU are trained as fighters/assasins. Think of the police force like Sakura, she knows her shit but when it comes to actual battles she sucks, of course not as literal but you get the idea.

This is why they have Hunter-Nin, which are ninjas who specifically go after exiled ninja and assasinate them. Hunter-Nin are not the police force, they seem more ANBU styled to me.

[Temari103]

im goingwith anbu becouse they get cool mask and body armor :amuse

took me word. :amuse

[Chatulio]

^hehe a fellow believer :D

[lekki]

ANBU were higher ranked than the police and that's all you need to know.
Alot of Konoha's great's are former ANBU including the Uchitards hero Itachi, another ANBU veteran is Kakashi.

[Rangamaru]

I lean towards anbu, afterall was Itachi's father not pleased when he was accepted into the organization? also, i fell that both groups are superior shinobi; however, not counting Itachi or kakashi, if you put 50 random anbu and 50 random police squad member on a field and had them fight I'd go with anbu for the win. The anbu are choosen and directed by the hokage himself. No one of inferior ablility will be there.

[Marvin]

the anbu are better, since they are trained to go after/fight enemy shinobi, while KP basicaly just police the people of konoha, which 90 percent are not even ninja, and the ninja are all lawabiding, since those ninja who are not lawabiding are most likely missing-nin already which falls under the anbu responsibility.

Anbu - special forces
Konoha police - base MP

[dangerousity]

When did it say that the police can arrest jounins? As far as I know, jounins are also part of the military, the highest part infact. They seem to be able to order Anbu as Anko and Kakashi have demonstrated so Im guessing they also have power over the police. The way see it, KP are more like Police, Anbu as FBI/CIA and jounins are basically like generals or commanders.

[Dynamic Dragon]

anbu are better since the police have to ask the hokage for a warrant which means they have higher grounds ^^ or the advantage, and they are classified as spies too for assisnation work usually
so yeah it like u know

K.police = normal cops
Anbu = hitman/assasins (elektra? oO haha)

[azn_sephiroth]

But ANBU have jurisdiction over the police. Not to mention it'd take 3 squads of ANBU to take down Orochimaru, it'd take the entire police force to do the same(and maybe even fail at taht.

Uh...Itachi can probably take out Orochimaru single handedly...

[Heldensheld]

Don't remember seeing a police officer during the World Wars.

[Keido]

Ex members of the police squad were more then happi to go to Anbu, hehe

[Last of the Uchihas]

The Konoha police aka the Uchiha clan, which was the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all.

Don't forget what Chiyo said, run for your life if you meet an sharingan user, meaning that the KP don't just stay there, but they also travel the world, not to mention that all Uchihas are geniuses, elite and superior.

Anbu doesn't even stand a chance.

[Shidoshi]

ANBU are neither ranked above or below the Ninja Police. They're both special groups that have separate purposes within and outside the ninja military.

ANBU are under the Hokage's direct jurisdiction and are the only ninja allowed to leave the village without orders from either Hokage or Village Elder.

The Ninja Police are responsible for policing the military...in a sense, Military Police.

If you liken it to a city police department, Genin, Chuunin and Jounin are your regular officers in standard tier format...

...ANBU would be the SWATeam, comprised of both Chuunin and Jounin-level ninjas...

...and the Police of the Police would be like Internal Affairs...able to enforce the law on law enforcement --- but ninja-like, so they'd have also have to be able to physically enforce law, not just judicially...even amongst other Jounin.

Or, liken it to an Armed Service like the NAVY (for example), Genin, Chuunin and Jounin would be akin to Crewmen, Lieutenants and Captains respectively. ANBU would be the elite SEALs (made up of Chuunin and Jounin), and the Konoha PD would be the elite Military Police (most likely just Jounin or Jounin-level ninja). Neither would outrank the other.

Which explains why you never saw Chuunin-level Konoha Police...something about it taking elite ninja to police other elite ninja.

And as to why Itachi's father was excited for Itachi getting a post in the ANBU...well...you have to remember that Itachi's was young for a typical Chuunin, and young for a typical Jounin-level ANBU squad leader (he was 13...when Sasuke at that same age would only be getting to the Chuunin level). That accounts for his excitement over Itachi's promotion.

Fin.

I don't think I have any holes in my arguements.

Don't remember seeing a police officer during the World Wars.Think about that for a second...who would the Police be "policing" if everyone able to fight was fighting in the war...to the point of ninja shortages?

[Kakashi_Love]

depends on which side has Itachi :kukuku cuz you know that will really tip the scale!:P

[avraell]

ANBU, no question about it, I am suprised so many people voted for the police. Guess people overestimate the sharingan as usual. While I admit it's probably the strongest bloodline, most of Itachi's clan wasn't all that powerful.

[Powerman]

Anbu all the way. They are there for a reason.

I think the Police are just there for looks.

[HollowDreamer]

ANBU all the way i cant go against the anbu.

[A2L]

Dunno if this has been posted since I'm about to go leave but the way I figured it was was that KPF are like todays detectives and Anbu is SWAT.

KPF investigates and arrests if need be whereas ANBU captures or eliminates the target if they become a threat or decide to run. BTW, did it ever say if ANBU was an abbreviation for something or if that's just what it's called... don't remember.

[qOcOp]

Anbu = swat/fbi

Konoha police = police

u do the math.

[Yamato]

All the time:
Anbu = SWAT
Uchiha = Police
Ok, but there is still Itachi, isn't it? This topic is not about Itachi vs Uchiha so I guess that he is part of Uchiha in this battle. Simply put, ANBU won't be even capable of noticing what have killed them (Itachi).

[Rangamaru]

Itachi isn't part of the konoha police. Yes, the police is mostly Uchiha, if not all, but Itachi isn't a part of the police, he is part of anbu. Itachi shouldn't even be a factor, he's one of those people who should be left out due to his power to tip the scale dramatically in any direction. However, if he did tip the scale it would be in the direction of Anbu, and the Uchiha clan was killed by Itachi so I lean towards Anbu.

[Heldensheld]

Go ANB!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is Uchitard?

[Kakashi_Love]

Itachi isn't part of the konoha police. Yes, the police is mostly Uchiha, if not all, but Itachi isn't a part of the police, he is part of anbu. Itachi shouldn't even be a factor, he's one of those people who should be left out due to his power to tip the scale dramatically in any direction. However, if he did tip the scale it would be in the direction of Anbu, and the Uchiha clan was killed by Itachi so I lean towards Anbu.
LOL, that's funny, Itachi helping Anbu kill his clan!!! :rofl

[Elsundownbastard]

Sorry I didn't mean jurisdiction, I mean they have priority, they can tell the Police to back off.

Besides, its like saying who's better a group of assassins or a bunch of police officers? The assassins will wipe them out as fast as Itachi. In fact, Itachi was ANBU captain when he did the deed so technically an ANBU did kill all the Police.


Nuff Said.

[Shidoshi]

I imagine that after Itachi was done with his ANBU responsibilities and became a full Jounin (because he was a Chuunin when he entered the ANBU), if he didn't become a regularly commissioned Jounin, he'd be with the Konoha Ninja Police.

[Last of the Uchihas]

I imagine that after Itachi was done with his ANBU responsibilities and became a full Jounin (because he was a Chuunin when he entered the ANBU), if he didn't become a regularly commissioned Jounin, he'd be with the Konoha Ninja Police.

I agree, since he was the original heir of the Uchiha clan.

People here must understand that the police are not just your typical police, they are the Uchiha clan, who was stated to be the strongest, feared, greatest clan of all, not to mention that all Uchiha were geniuses, elite and superior.

anyone here who says that

anbu > Konoha Police is basically saying that

Anbu > Uchiha clan, which is pure bullshit.

Konoha Police >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anbu

[Mangekyou_Master]

Itachi = ANBU. Uchiha clan = Konoha police. Itachi slays all of Uchiha clan = ANBU pwns Konoha police.

[Shidoshi]

If Itachi is not counted with the rest of ANBU, and is actually counted with his clan, then the scale tips...violently towards the other direction...

ANBU, as a "rank" is neither above nor below the Police Force. They're not part of the regular tier of the military.

For the person who asked what "ANBU" stands for, it's a pseudo-acronym for "ANsatsu Senjutsu Tokushu BUtai"...or just "Ansatsu Butai".

[Kamendex]

Itachi alone took out the Uchiha clan...

Itachi plus Kakashi can take out Uchiha clan...

Kakashi plus another high jounin can take out Uchiha clan...

Kakashi can take them out solo i suppose

he can negate the effects of their Sharingan and pwn him with his skills

[Last of the Uchihas]

Itachi alone took out the Uchiha clan...

Itachi alone, can obliterate all anbu.


Itachi plus Kakashi can take out Uchiha clan...

Kakashi plus another high jounin can take out Uchiha clan...

Kakashi and another high jounin would get their ass kicked byt he Uchiha clan.



Kakashi can take them out solo i suppose

WTF?

Kakahsi would get rape by one unit.



he can negate the effects of their Sharingan and pwn him with his skills


Poeple here think that the Uchiha clan is nothing but a joke.

Kakahsi's sharingan doesn't stand against any Uchiha sharingan, since he can't even control is as good as the Uchiha clan.

Konoha Police Force against Kakashi= a Kakashi who is 6 feet under.

[sheshyo]

It's difficult to get into ANBU.....but it's probably more difficult to get into the Police Department (I think it used be Uchiha exclusive, and a mastered sharingan is a must).

With the exception of Itachi and Kakashi, ANBU doesn't seem all that threatening (Even the sound 4 avoided them). On the other hand, squad full of Uchiha Jounins or maybe Chunins is a force to be reckoned with. Nuff said! :cool

[Last of the Uchihas]

No to mention what Chiyo said, if you meet a sharingan user, run for your life.

I have yet to hear if you meet a anbu member run for your life. lol

[Hef]

No to mention what Chiyo said, if you meet a sharingan user, run for your life.

You just love to distort the facts, don't you?

"Well, there's no need to be overwhelmed."
"If it's one on one, surely flee"
"If it's two on one, take the rear"

[Takagou]

I said Anbu. Itachi killed off almost all of the Konoha police (Uchiha were the konoha police for the most part) so Anbu kicks ass.

[Nighthawk]

No to mention what Chiyo said, if you meet a sharingan user, run for your life.

I have yet to hear if you meet a anbu member run for your life. lol

It's the same with the yellow flash, though you can't escape HIM, as shown in the manga. Sorry, had to say that. :P

[Last of the Uchihas]

You just love to distort the facts, don't you?

"Well, there's no need to be overwhelmed."
"If it's one on one, surely flee"
"If it's two on one, take the rear"


She is a special case since had fought sharingan users, and from the way she is saying it, she wouldn't fight a sharingna user singlehandely.

and even Kakashi said that that deosn't work for Itachi, a true sharingan master

The anbu is not used to fighting Uchiha, even less killign them since they would get their asses burn. Hell, not even Kakashi is used to fight a shairngan user and he had to ask Gai, what way he could fight a shairngan user, and the funny part was that Gai was wrong all along, a sharingan user doesn't need to use their sharingan to cast genjutsu, but their finger or whatver they want.


Once again, tell me where an anbu have bene considered so great that you must run for your life when you see one?

no where



I said Anbu. Itachi killed off almost all of the Konoha police (Uchiha were the konoha police for the most part) so Anbu kicks ass.

WTF?

Itachi is an Uchiha, which is why he was able to kill his clan, so he is also very powerful than any other shinobi.

Look at Kabuto he easliy disposed of 4 anbus, who were chosen by Kakashi.

Look at Oro, he disposed of a lot of anbus when he was still in Konoha.

It's the same with the yellow flash, though you can't escape HIM, as shown in the manga. Sorry, had to say that. :P

the Yellow flash wouldn't touch a sharingan user due to their sharingans.

[Maximus]

^ Lotu is making strong point.

[Hef]

She is a special case since had fought sharingan users, and from the way she is saying it, she wouldn't fight a sharingna user singlehandely.
Oh yeah. She is a special case. :eyeroll

and even Kakashi said that that deosn't work for Itachi, a true sharingan master
The Konoha Police Department wasn't full of people like Itachi

The anbu is not used to fighting Uchiha, even less killign them since they would get their asses burn.
Are the Uchihas used to fight ANBU? No? Gee. I wonder why? Oh yeah, they are allies and live in the same village! How silly of me. :amuse

Hell, not even Kakashi is used to fight a shairngan user and he had to ask Gai, what way he could fight a shairngan user, and the funny part was that Gai was wrong all along, a sharingan user doesn't need to use their sharingan to cast genjutsu, but their finger or whatver they want.
The funny part is, not all Sharingan users are like Itachi.

Once again, tell me where an anbu have bene considered so great that you must run for your life when you see one?

no where
Nowhere. And I've never seen it said about the Konoha Police Department, either. It was never said that "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE IF YOU SEE A KONOHA POLICE OMGWTFBBQ :iik", now was it?
And it really doesn't matter, now does it?

[Last of the Uchihas]

Oh yeah. She is a special case. :eyeroll

yeah she is since she has been figting them in the past, can we say that about anbu? no.


The Konoha Police Department wasn't full of people like Itachi [/qiuote]

It still had sharingan user, and they were all genius, elite, superios.


[quote]
Are the Uchihas used to fight ANBU? No? Gee. I wonder why? Oh yeah, they are allies and live in the same village! How silly of me. :amuse

There is a clealr difference,

The Konoha Police Force fcomes from the Uchiha clan which was the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all, no to mention that all Uchihas were elite, supierior, and geniuses, and not to mention that you must run for your life if you meet one. The anbu doesn't know the weakness of the Uchiha, since they have no weakness at all.

NOW tell me where exactly has somethign so great have been said about anbu?


The funny part is, not all Sharingan users are like Itachi.

They were still geniuses, elite and superior shinobis, and comes from the strongest clan of all the villages.



Nowhere. And I've never seen it said about the Konoha Police Department, either. It was never said that "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE IF YOU SEE A KONOHA POLICE OMGWTFBBQ :iik", now was it?
And it really doesn't matter, now does it?


Konoha Police Force=Uchiha clan my boy, hence why the Department has the FREAKING UCHIHA SYMBOL IN THEIR LOGO. LOL

[Nighthawk]

Anbu are chuunin level. The police force is jounin level with sharingan.
So who do you think would win? Come on. And don't say stuff like Itachi=anbu level since his power probably surpassed even the hokage.

[Hef]

yeah she is since she has been figting them in the past, can we say that about anbu? no.
Do we know that for sure? No. There might have been some rogue sharingan users. Who knows?

It still had sharingan user, and they were all genius, elite, superios.
The Konoha Police Force fcomes from the Uchiha clan which was the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all, no to mention that all Uchihas were elite, supierior, and geniuses, and not to mention that you must run for your life if you meet one.
And it also cooks for you! Just push the button and the Uchiha-O-Magic cooks, cleans, kills and decapitates.
Yeah. All Uchihas were elite, superior and geniuses. Even the old people in the street keeping up appearances. And those secretaries in the KPF. And those housewives who have no ninja training at all. And all those others who only dreamt of requiring the Sharingan.

The anbu doesn't know the weakness of the Uchiha, since they have no weakness at all.
The ANBU consists of different ninjas from different clans. Everyones skills and fighting style varies. The Police Force doesn't know their weaknesses.

NOW tell me where exactly has somethign so great have been said about anbu?
I don't really like repeating myself. I already said, nowhere. And why does it have to be said? ANBU consists of ninjas who are trained assassins and bodyguards.

They were still geniuses, elite and superior shinobis, and comes from the strongest clan of all the villages.
Sure they were.

Konoha Police Force=Uchiha clan my boy, hence why the Department has the FREAKING UCHIHA SYMBOL IN THEIR LOGO. LOL
Please don't call me your boy. AND THE UCHIHA CLAN EXISTS NO MORE LOL.

[Last of the Uchihas]

Anbu are chuunin level. The police force is jounin level with sharingan.
So who do you think would win? Come on. And don't say stuff like Itachi=anbu level since his power probably surpassed even the hokage.

Anbu consist of both chunnins and jounins.

Itachi belong to the Uchiha, not Anbu

KPF> Anbu

[FraChan]

...I voted for Konoha Police, they're all from one of the best clan of Konoha.

The ANBU are so weak! lol.
I've always seen them killed by someone in a flash. Like Orochimaru in the special mission, Kabuto in the hospital or in the Konoha's War. (I don't know if they were fillers anyway)
So don't say that ANBU is better only because Itachi was here wen he was a little kid, or because they have just cool masks.

[Yamato]

AND THE UCHIHA CLAN EXISTS NO MORE LOL.
Only because Itachi's best friend was not part of ANBU :P LOL.

[Kamendex]

yeah she is since she has been figting them in the past, can we say that about anbu? no.
Her strategies only apply to puppeteers, since she knows no other fighting style…

It still had sharingan user, and they were all genius, elite, superios.

Even Sasuke’s aunt and uncle and grandparents? I only saw 4 police with sharingan in their village, and Kakashi could have fucked em up



The Konoha Police Force fcomes from the Uchiha clan which was the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all, no to mention that all Uchihas were elite, supierior, and geniuses, and not to mention that you must run for your life if you meet one. The anbu doesn't know the weakness of the Uchiha, since they have no weakness at all..

First of all, the Uchiha clan isn’t that great, I say this because they are dead.

2nd, a puppeteer must run from a sharingan user
3rd the weakness of a sharingan user is speed fast enough so that the body of the sharingan user cant react

As evidenced by the fact that 3 uchiha 3 tomoe sharingan users who couldn’t dodge Itachi

NOW tell me where exactly has somethign so great have been said about anbu? .

LOTFool listen up, when have u heard about ANNNNNYthing great about the CIA? They don’t want you to know their achievements son



They were still geniuses, elite and superior shinobis, and comes from the strongest clan of all the villages.


And they all are dead


Itachi alone, can obliterate all anbu.

ITACHI IS IN ANBU, HE WAS IN ANBU, and HE WAS NOT IN THE KONOHA FUZZ



Kakashi and another high jounin would get their ass kicked byt he Uchiha clan.

No, other high jounin might, but not Kakashi.

Itachi did not use Mangekyou sharingan to kill everyone in the Uchiha clan.

He used sharingan to negate their genjutsu effects, and his skills to kill them.

You dont think Kakashi with a sharingan can do the same as Itachi with a sharingan?



WTF?

Kakahsi would get rape by one unit.


No he would not, he is the most elite jounin in Konoha, plus he has sharingan...which he got to 3 tomoe by himself...thus he has great control over it.

Notice Naruto said "Kakashi has a sharingan better then Sasuke's in the 2nd bell test..."


Poeple here think that the Uchiha clan is nothing but a joke.

No, not a joke, but compared to another sharingan user with elite Jounin lvl skills.

They are, but that goes for any clan i suppose

Kakahsi's sharingan doesn't stand against any Uchiha sharingan, since he can't even control is as good as the Uchiha clan.

He can, thats why naruto said... "a sharingan better then sasuke's"

Konoha Police Force against Kakashi= a Kakashi who is 6 feet under.

Itachi = Kakashi

Itachi + sharingan = Kakashi + sharingan

Itachi + M Shar>>>Kakashi + sharingan

Itachi + Sharingan >>> Uchiha clan

Kakashi....+ sharingan >> Uchiha clan

[Last of the Uchihas]

Do we know that for sure? No. There might have been some rogue sharingan users. Who knows?

She would have said something about that, so no.


And it also cooks for you! Just push the button and the Uchiha-O-Magic cooks, cleans, kills and decapitates.

obviosuly, you hate any Uchiha.


Yeah. All Uchihas were elite, superior and geniuses. Even the old people in the street keeping up appearances.

Anime fillers, which was later on added to the manga.


And those secretaries in the KPF.

haven't seent eh anime, but that is filler since it was never shown in the manga.


And those housewives who have no ninja training at all.

Sasuke's mother was a jounin, clearly stated by the databook.


And all those others how only dream of requiring the Sharingan.

Obito was the only failurem and he stilll got hsi shairngan.


The ANBU consists of different ninjas from different clans. Everyones skills and fighting style varies. The Police Force doesn't know their weaknesses.

Uchiha clan's sharingan adapt to anything, in other word any shairngan user can use the other jutsus of the other families, since their sharingan allows them to adapt to theor jutsus, except for bloodlines and kuchiyose.


I don't really like repeating myself. I said already, nowhere. And why does it have to be said? ANBU consists of ninjas who are trained assassins and bodyguards.

all shinibis are assasin if you didn't notice and the KPF are in some sense bodyguard also since they defend the individual.

KPF are from the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all, geniuses, elite and superior, while the anbu is not.

The Kpf is the one that enforces the law.


Sure they were.




Please don't call me your boy.

Are you a girl? :amuse


AND THE UCHIHA CLAN EXISTS NO MORE LOL.


same thing would had happen if Itachi wanted to kill all anbu members, but they were so worthless that Itachi decided to test his strength in the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all the villages, that was composed of geniuses, elite and superior shinobis, the Uchiha clan, aka KPF.

See the difference?

[Kamendex]

Anime fillers, which was later on added to the manga.

This alone desrves u negative rep, and unless u reply to my post u will get some >.<

[skmt999]

This conversation has apparently dissolved into another Uchiha>>>anthing convo. Not actually about ANBU or KPD.

If this were still a conversation about those departments, I'd like to know which chapters discussed them in any detail so I could go read up and see exactly what was said in canon about each department. I'm still under the assumption that they are the same force.

[Nighthawk]

same thing would had happen if Itachi wanted to kill all anbu members, but they were so worthless that Itachi decided to test his strength in the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all the villages, that was composed of geniuses, elite and superior shinobis, the Uchiha clan, aka KPF.

See the difference?

Itachi killed the clan because he despised the Uchihas and their rules. It wasn't really to test his power. Even chibi sasuke knew that. Also, Itachi didn't think of the anbu like they are worthless. He didn't hate the leaf village.

Hey kamendex

Kisame > Nidaime. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[Hef]

She would have said something about that, so no.
Why would she say it even if she knew it? "Yes.. I have fought against many sharingan users in my past and know the trick to defeat them." "Oh and by the way, the ANBU has also fought against sharingan users"
Doesn't sound very good.

obviosuly, you hate any Uchiha.
No I don't. I actually like Itachi. I just hate every Uchihatard.

Anime fillers, which was later on added to the manga.
So what if it was later added? A lot of things are edited for the full volume releases, you know. It doesn't mean that it is "less true" than the chapters that are released weekly.

haven't seent eh anime, but that is filler since it was never shown in the manga.
Do you expect a police force to run without secretaries and other staff?
Oh wait. They were the Uchihas. I'm sure they can pull something off of their magnificent asses. :amuse

Sasuke's mother was a jounin, clearly stated by the databook.
Yes she was. That doesn't mean everyone else is too. Not all of them were ninjas and not all of them had Sharingan.

Obito was the only failurem and he stilll got hsi shairngan.
I'm not sure what you mean by failure, but not every Uchiha had sharingan.
http://www.leafninja.com/uchiha.php Read the intro.
"Select few members of the Uchiha clan possess the ability to activate the bloodline Sharingan eye."
"Because their clan possessed the Sharingan or "Wheel Eye," the Uchiha excelled at being able to read and fend off attackers. This made them prime candidates to help found the Konoha Military Police Corps. The organization itself would go on to incorporate the Uchiha fan symbol into their official logo"

Uchiha clan's sharingan adapt to anything, in other word any shairngan user can use the other jutsus of the other families, since their sharingan allows them to adapt to theor jutsus, except for bloodlines and kuchiyose.
The ANBU might've had bloodline and Kuchiyose users.
The thing is, the ANBU has so vast diversity of ninjas it's practically impossible to tell their actual level of skill.

The Kpf is the one that enforces the law.
"The ANBU work directly under the leadership of the Hokage. This specialized ninja battalion generally work in groups of four to five. They are responsible for assassinations and missions requiring highly trained ninjas."
From leafninja.com

Are you a girl? :amuse
I might be.

same thing would had happen if Itachi wanted to kill all anbu members, but they were so worthless that Itachi decided to test his strength in the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all the villages, that was composed of geniuses, elite and superior shinobis, the Uchiha clan, aka KPF.
See the difference?
No it wouldn't. Konoha would just recruit new ANBU members.
It's a bit harder to go against a specialized ninja squad with highly trained ninjas than a clan with some highly trained ninjas and a lot senior citizens, women and children.
See the difference?

[Last of the Uchihas]

Her strategies only apply to puppeteers, since she knows no other fighting style…

nope, read below.


Even Sasuke’s aunt and uncle and grandparents? I only saw 4 police with sharingan in their village, and Kakashi could have fucked em up

The aunt, uncle and grandparent were fillers in the anime, tahtw as later on added to the manga.

Fugaku > Kakashi, not to mention that any shairngan user can use the sharingan better than Kakashi.



First of all, the Uchiha clan isn’t that great, I say this because they are dead.

they are dead because the greater genius that ever existed since the foundation of the academy killed htem, this is Itachi who became a kage level shinobi own his own by the age of 10/11, without the need for a sannin of hokage as his sensei.


2nd, a puppeteer must run from a sharingan user

nope, since she gave those advise to the other sand shinobis, and very few are puppeters.


3rd the weakness of a sharingan user is speed fast enough so that the body of the sharingan user cant react

that was proven to be false, since Sasuke was able to keep up with Naruto's speed..


As evidenced by the fact that 3 uchiha 3 tomoe sharingan users couldn’t dodge Itachi

Nope, since Itachi knows how the Uchiha better than anyone, so he know where to attack from.



LOTFool listen up, when have u heard about ANNNNNY great about the CIA? They don’t want you to know their achievements son

Anbu is not the CIA son,


And they all are dead

and so would have been all the anbu members if Itachi wanted to, but they were so worthess that he decided not to test his strength against them, but against the Uchiha clan.


ITACHI IS IN ANBU, HE WAS IN ANBU, and HE WAS NOT IN THE KONOHA FUZZ

Itachi is an Uchiha, and by that factor alone make him a part of the KPF, not to mention that he was the heir of the Uchiha clan.



No, other high jounin might, but not Kakashi.


nope, not even Kisame.


Itachi did not use Mangekyou sharingan to kill everyone in the Uchiha clan.

nope, but he did kill them the old fashion way, by sword and shurikens.


He used sharingan to negate their genjutsu effects, and his skills to kill them.

so? He would have easliy killed anbu if he wanted to.


You dont think Kakashi with a sharingan can do the same as Itachi with a sharingan?

nope, it was clearly stated that Kakashi can't used the shairngan as well as the Uchiha family.

[quote]
No he would not, he is the most elite jounin in Konoha, plus he has sharingan...which he got to 3 tomoe by himself...thus he has great control over it.

He is one of the elite jounin in Konoha since there are not any Uchiha left.

Shusui > Kakashi.

Kakashi clearly stated that he doesn't stand a chance against Itachi.



Notice Naruto said "Kakashi has a sharingan better then Sasuke's in the 2nd bell test..."

Sasuek didn't mastred the shairingan until they end, and even Naruto didn't know that Sasuek had evolved his sharingan.

When Sasuke reappears, he would use the sharingan better than Kakashi.


No, not a joke, but compared to another sharingan user with elite Jounin lvl skills.

nope.


They are, but that goes for any clan i suppose

nope


He can, thats why naruto said... "a sharingan better then sasuke's"

nope, that's naruto who has no freaking clue about sharingan, Kabuto on the other hand knows more due to Oro and Even Kakashi said he can't use the sharingan that well.



Itachi = Kakashi

THEN I guess Kakashi> any hokage. lol


Itachi + sharingan = Kakashi + sharingan

lol


Itachi + M Shar>>>Kakashi + sharingan

lol


Itachi + Sharingan >>> Uchiha clan

true but so would anbu suffer the same fate as the uchiha clan if Itachi wanted to. read above.


Kakashi....+ sharingan >> Uchiha clan

lol Don't even reply to this post

[Last of the Uchihas]

Itachi killed the clan because he despised the Uchihas and their rules. It wasn't really to test his power. Even chibi sasuke knew that. Also, Itachi didn't think of the anbu like they are worthless. He didn't hate the leaf village.

Hey kamendex

Kisame > Nidaime. Sorry to burst your bubble.


Nope, Itaci clearly stated that he did killed the Uchiha clan so test his strength.

[Nighthawk]

Nope, Itaci clearly stated that he did killed the Uchiha clan so test his strength.

I know. That's why I said he didn't really kill them for that reason.
Even Sasuke said it's bullshit and that forced Itachi to shut him up.

[Last of the Uchihas]

Why would she say it even if she knew it? "Yes.. I have fought against many sharingan users in my past and know the trick to defeat them." "Oh and by the way, the ANBU has also fought against sharingan users"

mind telling then me what she said, one if there were two then one attack from behind?

Cased close.



Doesn't sound very good.

It does.


No I don't. I actually like Itachi. I just hate every Uchihatard.

Uchihatard since they downgrade any Uchiha or their justus right next to nothing.


So what if it was later added? A lot of things are edited for the full volume releases, you know. It doesn't mean that it is "less true" than the chapters that are released weekly.

that fact is that they were added, and wa snot in Kishimoto's mind, until later.


Do you expect a police force to run without secretaries and other staff?
Oh wait. They were the Uchihas. I'm sure they can pull something off of their magnificent asses. :amuse

well, if even housewife were jounin then i guess even secretary can be as well, since after all, the Uchiha were all geniuses, elite and superior.


Yes she was. That doesn't mean everyone else is too. Not all of them were ninjas and not all of them had Sharingan.

All Uchiha were stated to be the elite, superior, and geniuses.


I'm not sure what you mean by failure, but not every Uchiha had sharingan.
http://www.leafninja.com/uchiha.php Read the intro.
"Select few members of the Uchiha clan possess the ability to activate the bloodline Sharingan eye."

Nope, it was stated that even the non sharingan user were elite, superior and geniuses, which is why the Uchiha are so famous, since not only a couple few have the sharingan, but all Uchiha were geniuses, elite and superior.


"Because their clan possessed the Sharingan or "Wheel Eye," the Uchiha excelled at being able to read and fend off attackers. This made them prime candidates to help found the Konoha Military Police Corps. The organization itself would go on to incorporate the Uchiha fan symbol into their official logo"


Nope, read the part of the ancestors

,
The ANBU might've had bloodline and Kuchiyose users.
The thing is, the ANBU has so vast diversity of ninjas it's practically impossible to tell their actual level of skill. [/qote]

Oro has tons of kuchiyoses and he still stated that Itachi is stronger than him, and Oro is the person who can destroy a country by hismelf according to Sandaime. Can anbu do that? Nope

KPF> ANBU


[quote]
"The ANBU work directly under the leadership of the Hokage. This specialized ninja battalion generally work in groups of four to five. They are responsible for assassinations and missions requiring highly trained ninjas."
From leafninja.com

The KPF also had other connection to anbu, not to mention that they are ten times stronger than anbu.



I might be.

It is.



No it wouldn't. Konoha would just recruit new ANBU members.
It's a bit harder to go against a specialized ninja squad with highly trained ninjas than a clan with some highly trained ninjas and a lot senior citizens, women and children.
See the difference?

lol, the old citezen were filler,

You want t talk about women?

They were women in also in anbu.

i didn't see any kids beside Sasuek, and he was an exceptional/talented person when he was just a kid.

Sharingan user would just adapt to anyone's attack, not to mention that they are stronger than anbu.

[Nighthawk]

Hm...hefaistion has a point. I change my vote. The anbu would win.
They have better teamwork and diversity.

[Kamendex]

nope, read below.

Below has nothing to do with what i posted above...


The aunt, uncle and grandparent were fillers in the anime, tahtw as later on added to the manga.

Thus its not filler, unless ur saying that everyone in the Uchiha clan is a prime young fresh 3 tomoe elite sharingan user

Fugaku > Kakashi, not to mention that any shairngan user can use the sharingan better than Kakashi.

Nope, not Sasuke…Naruto clearly stated this



they are dead because the greater genius that ever existed since the foundation of the academy killed htem, this is Itachi who became a kage level shinobi own his own by the age of 10/11, without the need for a sannin of hokage as his sensei.

Thus they arent that great, if it took one person to kill them



nope, since she gave those advise to the other sand shinobis, and very few are puppeters.

Sasori is a puppeteer, Chiyo is a puppeteer, Chiyos bro is a puppetee, Kankuro is a puppeteer, Chiyo’s son is a puppeteer, Sasori’s dad is a puppetee, Sasori’s mom is a puppeteer…

that was proven to be false, since Sasuke was able to keep up with Naruto's speed..

Who said Naruto was fast?
So no it was not proven false

Nope, since Itachi knows how the Uchiha better than anyone, so he know where to attack from.

KNOWS WHERE TO ATTACK FROM?!?!?!?!?!

BUT U SAID SHARINGAN USERS HAVE NO WEAKNESS?

Kakashi also has sharingan, he must know their weakness too!!



Anbu is not the CIA son,

Its an analogy, if u cant understand this ur just being biased and ignorant


and so would have been all the anbu members if Itachi wanted to, but they were so worthess that he decided not to test his strength against them, but against the Uchiha clan.

The anbu were worthless so he decided not to test his strength against them?

Volume, Chapter, Page plz?


Itachi is an Uchiha, and by that factor alone make him a part of the KPF, not to mention that he was the heir of the Uchiha clan.

He was not in the police, he was in the anbu…

This is hilarious LOTU u have to make a choice…

Itachi or Uchiha clan, don’t try to get them both on one side




nope, not even Kisame.

Yes Kakashi can, and yes Kisame can, he destroys or attacks villages solo…its in the databook

nope, but he did kill them the old fashion way, by sword and shurikens.

Uchiha clan, the leet super powerful died by Kunai? And Sword???

They are the first to do so, they truly are great



so? He would have easliy killed anbu if he wanted to.

No he could not have, he might have killed some anbu, but not the whole lot of them…their skills range from chuunin to elite jounin so don’t gimme that bulllll


nope, it was clearly stated that Kakashi can't used the shairngan as well as the Uchiha family.

Nope it was clearly stated that Kakashi’s sharingan is better then Sasuke’s by Naruto 2nd bell test


He is one of the elite jounin in Konoha since there are not any Uchiha left.

He was an elite jounin of Konoha before the uchiha clan died……………

Are you saying the Uchiha clan were the only elite jounins in Konoha…
Shusui > Kakashi.

Bull, Shisui doesn’t have Mang hence Kakashi wins
Kakashi clearly stated that he doesn't stand a chance against Itachi.

I believe that 100% that’s because of Mang shar


Sasuek didn't mastred the shairingan until they end, and even Naruto didn't know that Sasuek had evolved his sharingan.

Stop making excuses, its written in the manga by the author…Naruto isn’t a real person for u to make up some bull excuse for him.

Kishimoto wrote that INTENTIONALLY
When Sasuke reappears, he would use the sharingan better than Kakashi.
How do u know that?


nope.

If u do this again in any of ur posts I will flame u and bad rep u to hell


nope


Do not give me these 4 letter answers they are bullshit fucking trash
nope, that's naruto who has no freaking clue about sharingan, Kabuto on the other hand knows more due to Oro and Even Kakashi said he can't use the sharingan that well.

Naruto who has actually fought a sharingan user knows less then a bookworm who has not?

No bull excuses, the words that naruto said came from Kishimoto’s pen



THEN I guess Kakashi> any hokage. lol

According to you any sharingan user is greater then Hokage, since they are the most elite, the geniuses, and have no weaknesses , and can counter anything, and can copy anything, and can dodge anything.



lol

NO MORE BULL SHIT


lol

ONE WORD RESPONSES


true but so would anbu suffer the same fate as the uchiha clan if Itachi wanted to. read above.

No, because the anbu arent stupid…u want a good clan? Go look at Hyuuga’s…

They have seals to block the fate that happened to Sharingan users


lol Don't even reply to this post

stfu

[Hef]

mind telling then me what she said, one if there were two then one attack from behind?
"One on one, surely flee. Two on one, take the rear."
I don't really understand what you are saying there, so I took a lucky shot.

Uchihatard since they downgrade any Uchiha or their justus right next to nothing.
So I'm an Uchihatard? Nice. :)

that fact is that they were added, and wa snot in Kishimoto's mind, until later.
The fact is, Kishimoto liked the idea and he added it to his own story with his own hands and that makes it 100% true.
If the anime team makes a filler that Sasuke dies but Orochimaru revives him and Kishimoto writes that in the manga later, it comes "manga canon" and so be it.
All Uchiha were stated to be the elite, superior, and geniuses.

well, if even housewife were jounin then i guess even secretary can be as well, since after all, the Uchiha were all geniuses, elite and superior.
You are clearly glorifying stuff up. You would actually become a good salesman.

Nope, it was stated that even the non sharingan user were elite, superior and geniuses, which is why the Uchiha are so famous, since not only a couple few have the sharingan, but all Uchiha were geniuses, elite and superior.
Where was it said? Give me an exact manga chapter since I'm not going to bother to look it from the 268 chapters I have.

Nope, read the part of the ancestors
What part? You should actually read the whole Uchiha page of leafninja and stop twisting the facts.

Oro has tons of kuchiyoses and he still stated that Itachi is stronger than him, and Oro is the person who can destroy a country by hismelf according to Sandaime. Can anbu do that? Nope
Has it been stated that the whole ANBU cannot take down a small country? No. And Orochimaru and his pep talk is totally irrelevant in the discussion of KPF vs ANBU.

The KPF also had other connection to anbu, not to mention that they are ten times stronger than anbu.
What connection? 10 times stronger? I seriously missed that one. Give me a chapter and I'll check it.

lol, the old citezen were filler,
You want t talk about women?
They were women in also in anbu.
i didn't see any kids beside Sasuek, and he was an exceptional/talented person when he was just a kid.
It was a clan. There must have been children, cenior citizens and women. I really hope that you don't expect a clan to survive with one woman and n amount of "elite super god u¨ber genius" male ninjas.

not to mention that they are stronger than anbu.
Not to mention that you took that statement out of your arse. Back it up, "my boy"

[Nighthawk]

In fact, the Nidaime is the weakest of the 5 hokage.

Hefaistion, I agree with you. Just one thing...Lotu is right, the Uchiha are feared as superior shinobi even without the sharingan. Check the Sasuke prelim fight.

[Kamendex]

In fact, the Nidaime is the weakest of the 5 hokage.
WTF? was that a shot at me?

First off Nidaime is the 3rd strongest

Nidaime was stronger then his bro, i have backup from the databook...

they chose shodai because they trusted him the most, and he was calm manered

they chose nidaime because he was the BEST and he was always proud of his superior fighting ability...he was so good that he could create water out of no where...

he trained Sarutobi who trained the sannin

Nidaime is better then his grand neice Tsunade...

Hefaistion, I agree with you. Just one thing...Lotu is right, the Uchiha are feared as superior shinobi even without the sharingan. Check the Sasuke prelim fight.

Sasuke is the strongest Uchiha ever, he has potential that will surpass Itachi...

Obito was an uchiha, and he wasnt superior at all..

[Nighthawk]

WTF? was that a shot at me?

First off Nidaime is the 3rd strongest

Nidaime was stronger then his bro, i have backup from the databook...

they chose shodai because they trusted him the most, and he was calm manered

they chose nidaime because he was the BEST and he was always proud of his superior fighting ability...he was so good that he could create water out of no where...

he trained Sarutobi who trained the sannin

Nidaime is better then his grand neice Tsunade...

Yes, that was a shot at you. :P

So...sorry, I almost laughed when I read that weak argument. But it's tough to praise a weak char. let's see...

1. I know exactly what it says in the databook. You can't fool me with that. Nidaime is triggerhappy and passionate. His older brother is calm. That doesn't make the nidaime stronger, dude. On the contrary, his older brother is more mature and his mokuton jutsu / darkness genjutsu is a lot better than water jutsu.

2. Sannin > Kisame. Obviously Kisame > Nidaime. Don't even start that debate. Please. Therefore, Tsunade > Nidaime.

3. They chose nidaime cuz he was the best?? Haha. Proof? More likely, the shodai chose him because it's his little bro. The Nidaime isn't the best cuz he was Sarutobi's teacher. That's bullshit. Both the shodai and nidaime trained sarutobi, and sarutobi > them. Look at Kakashi, teacher of the strongest nins ever. Yet he is weaker than sannin, akatsuki, hokage.

Sasuke is the strongest Uchiha ever, he has potential that will surpass Itachi...

Obito was an uchiha, and he wasnt superior at all..

Read the manga. This isn't about Sasuke. They mentioned the uchiha bloodline.

Thanks for the neg rep. I just had to prove that ur sig is wrong. no offense.

[Primary_Lotus]

the Yellow flash wouldn't touch a sharingan user due to their sharingans.

Yea...because all Uchiha's can teleport instantly? :blink :blink :blink :blink

Doesn't matter if you can see it, if you can't phsyically keep up.

Yondaime > 99.9% of Uchiha's.

Oh, and ANBU > KPD. Just because the KPD were Uchiha's, doesn't make them unreal. Uchiha's may be the most fear clan in the Naruto-verse, but that doesn't make them ALL elite. There will of course be non-Uchiha's who're stronger, and those are members of ANBU.

Why even have ANBU if the Police were stronger? Wouldn't that make ANBU a waste of time, manpower and funding?

Yes. Yes it would.

2. Sannin > Kisame. Obviously Kisame > Nidaime. Don't even start that debate. Please. Therefore, Tsunade > Nidaime.

WTF? That makes no sense.

Nidaime trains Sandaime. Sandaime trains Sannin. Yet somehow Nidaime is weaker than the Sannin? How Kisame is "obviously" better than Nidaime is unknown. You don't want to start the debate because you have no evidence to support your ridiculous claim. They never fought each other, nor does anyone have any "power level" ratings, therefore you claim is completely outlandish.

[Last of the Uchihas]

Below has nothing to do with what i posted above...

it does if you read it.



Thus its not filler,

but i was a filler, The point is what would two made up people have to do with teh overall strength of the Uchiha clan? NOthing.


unless ur saying that everyone in the Uchiha clan is a prime young fresh 3 tomoe elite sharingan user

nope, look above.


Nope, not Sasuke…Naruto clearly stated this

Naruto is freaking dumb, he knows shit, he is assuming.



Thus they arent that great, if it took one person to kill them

yeah, and that one person just happen to be the greater genius ever, so can kill all anbu members without breaing a sweat.


Sasori is a puppeteer, Chiyo is a puppeteer, Chiyos bro is a puppetee, Kankuro is a puppeteer, Chiyo’s son is a puppeteer, Sasori’s dad is a puppetee, Sasori’s mom is a puppeteer…

Those are only 7 people out of 1000s of shinobis.

wow. lol



Who said Naruto was fast?
So no it was not proven false

play dumb, that what you do nest.



KNOWS WHERE TO ATTACK FROM?!?!?!?!?!

BUT U SAID SHARINGAN USERS HAVE NO WEAKNESS?

SO? I haven't gone aganinst that. I said that since Itachi is an Uchiha, he knows better how the fight them, since it is the same style that he uses.


Kakashi also has sharingan, he must know their weakness too!!

nope, since he is asking for Gai's help to see if their is any weakness at all against an Uchiha, and Gai was proven wrong, since it doesn't matter of yoy don't look at the eye, they sharingan user will still pwned you with their finger,



Its an analogy, if u cant understand this ur just being biased and ignorant [/quote

i did get it, the thing is that i don't see how the anbu is the cia
. They are just assasins, just like any other shinobi.


[quote]
The anbu were worthless so he decided not to test his strength against them?

Volume, Chapter, Page plz?

Itachi wanted to test his strength, and what better way to test his strength against the strongest feared and greatest clan of all the villages, not to mention that all Uchihas were considered genius, elite, and superior.

Obviously Itachi decided to test his strength with the strongest clan

Uchiha clan > anbu


He was not in the police, he was in the anbu…

This is hilarious LOTU u have to make a choice…

Itachi or Uchiha clan, don’t try to get them both on one side

Itachi is an Uchiha, meaning that anbu would be just relying in anther Uchiha.

You lose.


Yes Kakashi can, and yes Kisame can, he destroys or attacks villages solo…its in the databook

LOL, Kisame try to kill the kage of the mist with the mist seven katana and they got their butts kick.

bu you stating that Kisame or Kakashi can kill the Uchiha clan by, you must be fuckng nuts.



Uchiha clan, the leet super powerful died by Kunai? And Sword???

They are the first to do so, they truly are great

Yondaime kills his enemies with kunais so what.

You migth also want to look up for the real meaning of ninja, and what weapons they did used.



No he could not have, he might have killed some anbu, but not the whole lot of them…their skills range from chuunin to elite jounin so don’t gimme that bulllll

lol, freaking hilarious.

i guess anbu > Yondaime


Nope it was clearly stated that Kakashi’s sharingan is better then Sasuke’s by Naruto 2nd bell test

Once again, Naruto knows shit about the sharingan, he is guessing.

Reda again, what Kabuto, Kakashi and even Itachi said about that.

Kakashi can't use the sharingan as good as the Uchiha family.


He was an elite jounin of Konoha before the uchiha clan died……………

Are you saying the Uchiha clan were the only elite jounins in Konoha…

Nope, i'm saying that all members were elite, superiors and geniuses, except for Obito.



Bull, Shisui doesn’t have Mang hence Kakashi wins

Shusui doesn't even need ms to kill Kakashi.


I believe that 100% that’s because of Mang shar

then don't believe that because it is not true.



Stop making excuses, its written in the manga by the author…Naruto isn’t a real person for u to make up some bull excuse for him.

Again, read above, Kabuto, Itachi and even Kakashi said that he can used the sharingan as well as the Uchiha family.


Kishimoto wrote that INTENTIONALLY

read above.

he also wrote that Azuma was going to kill Itachi, what happen?


How do u know that?

manga



If u do this again in any of ur posts I will flame u and bad rep u to hell

You know i will neg rep you back.

I have a big rep, so you better think carefully if you want to go to war against me.


Do not give me these 4 letter answers they are bullshit fucking trash

Nope they are not. lol

You are jus denying the facts.



Naruto who has actually fought a sharingan user knows less then a bookworm who has not?

Kabuto knows Oro, and Oro knows Itachi best since tey were in the same organization.

Kakashi said that even he can't used the sharingan very well, and even Itachi said this.


No bull excuses, the words that naruto said came from Kishimoto’s pen

look above.

so did the same word that came from azuma when he said he woud kill Itachi, care to tell me what happen? lol



According to you any sharingan user is greater then Hokage, since they are the most elite, the geniuses, and have no weaknesses , and can counter anything, and can copy anything, and can dodge anything.

Nope, i'm saying that they are above average, the creme of the crop, except that they can kill Hokages, but they would kill Kakashi's types.



NO MORE BULL SHIT

If you can't handle to truth, don't blame me.



No, because the anbu arent stupid…

They would still get obliterate by Itachi or the uchiha clan


u want a good clan? Go look at Hyuuga’s…


the uchiha clan is more famous than the Hyuuga clan.


They have seals to block the fate that happened to Sharingan users

sharingan user have sharingan to prevent that, lol

That's how great they are.


stfu


:laugh

[Kamendex]

Yes, that was a shot at you. :P

your a really silly person thats why

So...sorry, I almost laughed when I read that weak argument. But it's tough to praise a weak char. let's see..

I didnt realize hokages who are hailed as the best in their time during a time of war where many ninjas were around were considered really weak

1. I know exactly what it says in the databook. You can't fool me with that. Nidaime is triggerhappy and passionate. His older brother is calm. That doesn't make the nidaime stronger, dude. On the contrary, his older brother is more mature and his mokuton jutsu / darkness genjutsu is a lot better than water jutsu.

More mature? Thats bullshit

Mokuton was broken by a staff, so how is it more superior then suiton?

Suiton is more diverse in its attacks...

2. Sannin > Kisame. Obviously Kisame > Nidaime. Don't even start that debate. Please. Therefore, Tsunade > Nidaime.

Sannin > Kisame?

Is this ur excuse to say that Tsunade is greater then Nidaime?

By putting her with the other 2 GOOD FIGHTERS?

Because Tsunade alone sucks...


Jiraiya and Oro > Kisame

Kisame and every other elite person and almost Kabuto is > Tsunade

Kisame < Nidaime, why? because Kisame isnt considered the best in his time nor is he Mizukage, nor is he considered best in his village or akatsuki, or in his mini team with Itachi, he was useless against Jiraiya, he was countered by Kakashi, he was held back by Asuma, he was kicked in the face by Gai, he was beaten to a pulp by Gai, he was nearly blown up by Tentens kunai, he was kicked by lee, he was hit by a Hyuuga Neji range attack, and almost killed by Jiraiya...


3. They chose nidaime cuz he was the best?? Haha. Proof? More likely, the shodai chose him because it's his little bro. The Nidaime isn't the best cuz he was Sarutobi's teacher. That's bullshit.

Reason 1 he was chosen as Hokage...

A hero who founded Konoha with a strong will.

Reason 2

He was supported by comrades who trusted him above all.


Both the shodai and nidaime trained sarutobi, and sarutobi > them. Look at Kakashi, teacher of the strongest nins ever. Yet he is weaker than sannin, akatsuki, hokage.

Both trained him?

No dumbass read the databook, Nidaime was his teacher.

There is a whole website dedicated to proving ur theories wrong, click the link under my pics

Kakashi is the teacher of the strongest nins ever? What do you mean, you silly person?


In contrast to his calm older brother, his nature is to push forward
towards his objective with passion and enthusiasm. He is prideful of his
superior combat ability, and with the Suiton jutsu which he was especially
skilful at he was unexpectedly revived in the present to defeat Sandaime, which put fear in the people of Konoha.

Read that my friend

u see that let me take some key phrases out for u

In contrast to his calm older brother, his nature is to push forward

How bout another?

He is prideful of his superior combat ability

more?

He is prideful of his superior combat ability, and with the Suiton jutsu which he was especially skilful at.

Here you eat this

he was unexpectedly revived in the present to defeat Sandaime, which put fear in the people of Konoha.

Did it say that about Shodai?

No you

Read the manga. This isn't about Sasuke. They mentioned the uchiha bloodline.

Read the Databook, the Hyuuga have the best bloodline...

Watch your language there boyo. I dont care how annoyed you get, flaming is not allowed. -Kimimaro-Sama-

[Nighthawk]

lol sorry but I won't dignify that with an answer. Your immature behavior, insulting language and neg rep is already proof of your defeat. Btw you proved nothing with your little databook show. :P

[Last of the Uchihas]

"One on one, surely flee. Two on one, take the rear."
I don't really understand what you are saying there, so I took a lucky shot.

meaning that she was the one giving order how to fight a sharingan user to her partner.


So I'm an Uchihatard? Nice. :)

You are like Ron Silver, saying that he is a democrat. lol


The fact is, Kishimoto liked the idea and he added it to his own story with his own hands and that makes it 100% true.

they fact is that they were later on added, and that it had nothign to do with the Uchiha clan's strength, they were jsut two old people made up out of no where to give chibi Sasuke a little more to lines.


If the anime team makes a filler that Sasuke dies but Orochimaru revives him and Kishimoto writes that in the manga later, it comes "manga canon" and so be it.

nope he wouldn't since the difference is huge between the two filler.


You are clearly glorifying stuff up. You would actually become a good salesman.

I have to since you think that the Uchiha clan is nothing more than a joke.


Where was it said? Give me an exact manga chapter since I'm not going to bother to look it from the 268 chapters I have.

Don't remember all the pages, but Itachi said that the Uchiha were superior, Kakahsi said that the Uchiha were all genius and elite in the gaiden, and throughout the manga it have bene stated that the uchiha were geniuses, and so forth.



What part? You should actually read the whole Uchiha page of leafninja and stop twisting the facts.

They have made crucial mistakes. They said that Oro is a jounin, which is full of shit, since Oro is a kage level shinobi. Thye have made a couple of mistakes there.


Has it been stated that the whole ANBU cannot take down a small country? No. And Orochimaru and his pep talk is totally irrelevant in the discussion of KPF vs ANBU.

So i guess anbu > Yondaime or Sandaime or the sannin


What connection? 10 times stronger? I seriously missed that one. Give me a chapter and I'll check it.

read the manga since one of the uchiha cops tells Itachi exactly that. they do have other connections to anbu.



It was a clan. There must have been children, cenior citizens and women. I really hope that you don't expect a clan to survive with one woman and n amount of "elite super god u¨ber genius" male ninjas.

so i guess the Uchiha's reputation come from those babies, senior citizens and pregnant women> lol


Not to mention that you took that statement out of your arse. Back it up, "my boy"


Yo homie, i do back up my statement, you are just getting pwned by me, as usual. lol

[Hef]

they fact is that they were later on added, and that it had nothign to do with the Uchiha clan's strength, they were jsut two old people made up out of no where to give chibi Sasuke a little more to lines.
nope he wouldn't since the difference is huge between the two filler.
It is Kishimoto's story, he can add stuff to the full volume releases and it means that it comes true. If the anime team indeed did kill Sasuke and Oro would revive him and Kishimoto would write that in, it would be 100% "manga canon" and true. End of story.

I have to since you think that the Uchiha clan is nothing more than a joke.
I don't think it as a joke. I also don't praise them like a brainless baboon and deny facts.

They have made crucial mistakes. They said that Oro is a jounin, which is full of shit, since Oro is a kage level shinobi. Thye have made a couple of mistakes there.
Orochimaru's official rank indeed is Jounin. Tsunade is the fifth Hokage but she also is a jounin like Jiraiya and Orochimaru.
The ninja ranks are genin -> chuunin -> (special jounin ->) jounin. However, the ninja positions are kage, ANBU, teachers, examiners etc. A jounin can be kage level.
It is not full of shit.

So i guess anbu > Yondaime or Sandaime or the sannin
Go ahead, but that is wrong.

so i guess the Uchiha's reputation come from those babies, senior citizens and pregnant women> lol
No, but my original point was, that it is indeed a clan with civillians, and a clan with civillians and some ninjas is guaranteed easier to kill than a ninja batallion.

Yo homie, i do back up my statement, you are just getting pwned by me, as usual. lol
Seriously. I have never seen you pwn anyone.
It's the audience that decides the winner of a debate. Not the debators.

[voltaicbore03]

Wow. This thread started off okay, but has degraded pretty far. I don't even think this is really about ANBU vs. the KPD any more. But I'll do my part to get back on topic.

As often as I disagree with LotU and other Uchiha fans, I have to say from what I have seen in the manga and and the anime, the KPD looks like it could take ANBU. Then again, if you want to be perfectly logical, there is no way to tell just by watching/reading the series. ANBU (like some have mentioned) is an organization that would probably consider hidden, secret successes the best kind. The Konoha Police force was pretty much eradicated with the Uchiha clan, and the only opponent we have seen members of the KPD face in combat is Itachi, so it is impossible to make a fair assessment off of that encounter. We also don't know what the difference in number was between KPD and ANBU. And most importantly, we are not Kishi. None of us really know what the fuck we are talking about in terms of who can beat who, when it comes right down to it.

But I am inclined to believe that the KPD was made up of some of the finest shinobi of the village as well. The Uchiha clan made up all (or a large portion) of the KPD, and we can assume that the Uchihas that made the cut to be a military policeman could use the Sharingan (which is not the undefeatable ability that some say it is, but you can't deny that it's truly fearsome in battle). The KPD was also responsible for policing (and potentially fighting to keep under control) a huge number of ninja employed by the village, who represent a large range of skill level and an equally large variety of jutsu. ANBU is a specialized group that serves the village by undertaking a lot of covert operations, taking orders from the Hokage. That doesn't necessarily mean that ANBU, working as one big team, can take out any other one big team in the village. For all we know, the Hyuuga clan, the elite jounin, or Oro and a few henchmen, could make ANBU look rather useless. Hyuuga Hiashi may have taken out more Sand and Sound shinobi in one manga panel than several ANBU units did. Asuma did a shitload of nin-killing when he bailed out Shikamaru in the forest. The ANBU providing "support" to the Hokage in the Orochimaru vs. Sandaime fight were completely foiled by the Sound Four, both with the purple wall jutsu and Kidomaru's sticky chakra. Just because ANBU can draw a lot of ridiculous talent doesn't mean that it can win battles.

[Last of the Uchihas]

It is Kishimoto's story, he can add stuff to the full volume releases and it means that it comes true. If the anime team indeed did kill Sasuke and Oro would revive him and Kishimoto would write that in, it would be 100% "manga canon" and true. End of story.

then i would like to see Kishimoto add to his volume the tea country arc and the rice country arc, but guess what? He won't since they both suck, and they were FREAKING FILLERS..



I don't think it as a joke. I also don't praise them like a brainles baboon and deny facts.

You are denying the facts.


Orochimaru's official rank indeed is Jounin. Tsunade is the fifth Hokage but she also is a jounin like Jiraiya and Orochimaru.
The ninja ranks are genin -> chuunin -> (special jounin ->) jounin. How ever, the ninja positions are kage, ANBU, teachers, examiners etc. A jounin can be kage level.
It is not full of shit.

Oro clerly stated that he was the Otokage.


Go ahead, but that is wrong.

Nope, i just proved that you are full of shit.

Poeple here have no problem saying that anbu > Itachi or the Uchiha clan, but when it come down to Yondaime and Jiraiya > anbu.

I wonder why?

Can you say biased? lol



No, but my original point was, that it is indeed a clan with civillians, and a clan with civillians and some ninjas is guaranteed easier to kill than a ninja batallion.

That' still doesn't hur the reputation of the Uchiha, since they are all geniuses, elite and superior, not to mention taht their clan is teh strongest, feared and greatest clan of all the villages.


Seriously. I have never seen you pwn anyone.

That's what they all said to hide their shame. lol


It's the audience that decides the winner of a debate. Not the debators.


lol, yeah like anu > Uchiha clan or Itachi

Nor Kakashi=Itachi

Or that Hinata> temari

or that rasengan > chidori.

yeah right.

[Kamendex]

lol sorry but I won't dignify that with an answer. Your immature behavior, insulting language and neg rep is already proof of your defeat. Btw you proved nothing with your little databook show. :P

You insulted me first and now im immature?

You prove your own defeat by not replying


it does if you read it.


No it doesn’t, because I can barely understand what you say half the time


but i was a filler, The point is what would two made up people have to do with teh overall strength of the Uchiha clan? NOthing.



But they are not filler anymore



Naruto is freaking dumb, he knows shit, he is assuming.

No Kishimoto knows his manga better then you.



yeah, and that one person just happen to be the greater genius ever, so can kill all anbu members without breaing a sweat.

LOTU how many Anbu are there?


Those are only 7 people out of 1000s of shinobis.

Suna is known for having few shinobi…

Name some shinobi that we know that don’t use puppets






play dumb, that what you do nest.

Ya I play dumb nest, even nester then u



SO? I haven't gone aganinst that. I said that since Itachi is an Uchiha, he knows better how the fight them, since it is the same style that he uses.

So does Kakashi


nope, since he is asking for Gai's help to see if their is any weakness at all against an Uchiha, and Gai was proven wrong, since it doesn't matter of yoy don't look at the eye, they sharingan user will still pwned you with their finger,

So your now saying that Uchiha have a waeakness?

Kakashi didn’t get pwned by one finger, he got Itachi rasengened
i did get it, the thing is that i don't see how the anbu is the cia
. They are just assasins, just like any other shinobi.

So why isn’t any shinobi just an anbu?




Itachi wanted to test his strength, and what better way to test his strength against the strongest feared and greatest clan of all the villages, not to mention that all Uchihas were considered genius, elite, and superior.

How many times do you have to say that, I don’t care how strong and elite and smart they are…he didn’t attack anbu because they don’t have sharingan, and he doesn’t want to have that kind of advantage over them. He tested on Uchiha so he can see his ability as a ninja to kick ass.

Itach is anbu…


Obviously Itachi decided to test his strength with the strongest clan

Uchiha clan > anbu

No read above


Itachi is an Uchiha, meaning that anbu would be just relying in anther Uchiha.

You lose.
No, don’t give me this bull shit. I realize that Uchiha are strong and Itachi is anbu, I don’t give a shit who they rely on Anbu> Uchiha clan



LOL, Kisame try to kill the kage of the mist with the mist seven katana and they got their butts kick.
“Kisame commits many
large crimes such as daimyo killing and village destruction”-Databook

Zabuza tried to coup the mist alone, not the mist 7


bu you stating that Kisame or Kakashi can kill the Uchiha clan by, you must be fuckng nuts.


No I must be not…



You migth also want to look up for the real meaning of ninja, and what weapons they did used.

This manga has nothing to do with real ninjas, evidenced by the fact that they can spit fire and shoot lazer beams of fire out of their eyes



lol, freaking hilarious.

i guess anbu > Yondaime


Never said that

Once again, Naruto knows shit about the sharingan, he is guessing.
No Kishimoto is not guessing

Reda again, what Kabuto, Kakashi and even Itachi said about that.

No you read what Naruto said, talking about a Kakashi post time skip that trained
Kakashi can't use the sharingan as good as the Uchiha family.

No, he can use better then Sasuke



Nope, i'm saying that all members were elite, superiors and geniuses, except for Obito.

No, you said all members were elite, and that’s impossible. If your human you would understand that




Shusui doesn't even need ms to kill Kakashi.


Ya he does, because he has nothing else on him




Again, read above, Kabuto, Itachi and even Kakashi said that he can used the sharingan as well as the Uchiha family.

And newer info given by Kishimoto says he can


he also wrote that Azuma was going to kill Itachi, what happen?
No Asuma said I’m going to kill you, 2 different types of comments.

One states a fact, one is just a comment




You know i will neg rep you back.

I have a big rep, so you better think carefully if you want to go to war against me.

You just bad repped me, my rep is 5x stronger then yours buddy


Nope they are not. lol

You are jus denying the facts.

No im not, im using newer facts




Kabuto knows Oro, and Oro knows Itachi best since tey were in the same organization.

You told me a>b>c>a doesn’t apply to naruto

Kabuto knows Oro so Kabuto must know Itachi?

No, since he thinks Oro can kill Itachi and we know that’s bull

Kakashi said that even he can't used the sharingan very well, and even Itachi said this.
He doesn’t use it like Itachi, but he uses it better then Sasuke


so did the same word that came from azuma when he said he woud kill Itachi, care to tell me what happen? lol

Asuma***********************

Was just acting cocky



Nope, i'm saying that they are above average, the creme of the crop, except that they can kill Hokages, but they would kill Kakashi's types.

What type is Kakashi?



If you can't handle to truth, don't blame me.

Wow, wtf are u talking about


the uchiha clan is more famous than the Hyuuga clan.

How is that? Did the mist leader try to kidnap lil Sasuke instead of lil Hinata?




sharingan user have sharingan to prevent that, lol

That's how great they are.
So does Kakashi

[Hef]

then i would like to see Kishimoto add to his volume the tea country arc and the rice country arc, but guess what? He won't since they both suck, and they were FREAKING FILLERS..

Guess what? You are right! Ding ding ding! Indeed, how clever you are! But the point was, that if he would add them, they would become true.

Oro clerly stated that he was the Otokage.
Yes he said, but he still is a jounin too. Kage is not a rank, it's a position.

Nope, i just proved that you are full of shit.
Oh really?

Poeple here have no problem saying that anbu > Itachi or the Uchiha clan, but when it come down to Yondaime and Jiraiya > anbu.
I wonder why?
Can you say biased? lol
Oh my god my head is seriously gonna explode.
This isn't ANBU vs Itachi or Uchiha clan, this is ANBU vs KPF. KPF has only a part of the Uchiha clan, and I think that there were non-Uchiha members in it, too.

That' still doesn't hur the reputation of the Uchiha, since they are all geniuses, elite and superior, not to mention taht their clan is teh strongest, feared and greatest clan of all the villages.
Yeah yeah what ever. I'm totally fed up with you.

I'm going to stop now. I just can't stand your stubbornness anymore. I'll be adding you to my ignore list, so don't bother to reply anymore, okay? :)

[Nighthawk]

You insulted me first and now im immature?

lol I never insulted you. You called me a faggot, bitch, idiot, asshole because I wanted to start a friendly debate about your wrong statemets about nidaime. Little did I know that my opponent has a weird nidaime fetish and gets real pissed when someone tries to explain things.

You prove your own defeat by not replying

If you think you can expect someone to bother replying when u called him a bitch and a faggot...

[Kamendex]

LOTU=pwned, he read my post and logged off

ahah i checked.


But boys and girls, do not hate me for flaming LOTU

when you finally come into my postition where you have to defend yourself against the hordes of dumbasses like LOTU and Nighthawk you will understand.

Few of us will understand Naruto enough to know that Nighthawk and LOTU are obsolete in good conversations...

Dont be decieved by age in this forum, when you are smart age doesnt matter.

How is it that 2 16 year olds like me and hefaistion can understand and be reasonable about strengths, when a 23 year old and Nighthawk cant.

remember Nighthawk threw first insult

by taking a shot at me and saying Nidaime is weakest

[Last of the Uchihas]

LOTU=pwned, he read my post and logged off

ahah i checked.


But boys and girls, do not hate me for flaming LOTU

when you finally come into my postition where you have to defend yourself against the hordes of dumbasses like LOTU and Nighthawk you will understand.

Few of us will understand Naruto enough to know that Nighthawk and LOTU are obsolete in good conversations...

Dont be decieved by age in this forum, when you are smart age doesnt matter.

How is it that 2 16 year olds like me and hefaistion can understand and be reasonable about strengths, when a 23 year old and Nighthawk cant.

remember Nighthawk threw first insult

by taking a shot at me and saying Nidaime is weakest


lol, i went to the bathroom quick.

I will later pwned you, once i come from buying some things in the cs store.

[Nighthawk]

I think the ANBU are like the military and the KPD is the police.

So...military > local police. the anbu have highly trained ninjas, strategy and diversity make them strong. The Uchiha clan have a lot of useless people, and the police force can't compete with well organized anbu assassination groups.



remember Nighthawk threw first insult

by taking a shot at me and saying Nidaime is weakest

How is that an insult?

You ignored my earlier post so i tried to get ur attention with that statement.
Btw you failed to prove me wrong. :P

[Kamendex]

How is that an insult?

You ignored my earlier post so i tried to get ur attention with that statement.
Btw you failed to prove me wrong. :P

Its easy to ignore 1 sentance responses, especially when they are there to piss you off

[MartialHorror]

OOOOOH! NightHawk attacked you by flaming Nidaime? He did the same to me with Dosu..........

[Nighthawk]

OOOOOH! NightHawk attacked you by flaming Nidaime? He did the same to me with Dosu..........

I didn't flame Nidaime. I was just stating facts.

And I like Dosu. He's pretty cool. Plus he was smart enough to understand Orochimaru's true goal which is impressive for the genin level.

[Kamendex]

the general conesus is that you suck, and look at your sig, and you say you pity me?

[sheshyo]

I think the ANBU are like the military and the KPD is the police.

So...military > local police. the anbu have highly trained ninjas, strategy and diversity make them strong. The Uchiha clan have a lot of useless people, and the police force can't compete with well organized anbu assassination groups.



But the thing is, Konoha is a hidden village filled with ninjas. It's like a huge military base. So KPD's responsibility is much greater than that of "local police." I think you'd have to be pretty high level inorder to police Ninjas.

Also I'm not sure what you mean by Uchiha having "useless people." It's not like every Uchiha is admitted to the force; same as with ANBU.

[Last of the Uchihas]

No it doesn’t, because I can barely understand what you say half the time

Yes it does, if yuo can understand me most of the time, then its not my problem.


But they are not filler anymore

but they still don't change the reputation of the clan, since they were filler and they are old.



No Kishimoto knows his manga better then you.

i'm Kishimoto



LOTU how many Anbu are there?

Nidaime how many Uchihas were there?


Suna is known for having few shinobi…

lol, so you mean to tell me that they had less than 1000 people in their village? lol



Name some shinobi that we know that don’t use puppets

Temari, Gaara, Sandaime kazekage, Yondaime Kazekage, Yuura, Baki all the shinobis in the konoha invasion, escept for kankuro.


Ya I play dumb nest, even nester then u

i guess i was wrong, you are just dumb.


So does Kakashi

he would still get killed by him.


So your now saying that Uchiha have a waeakness?

i haven't said that, you said that.


Kakashi didn’t get pwned by one finger, he got Itachi rasengened

last time i remmber Itachi's intention were to kill anyone, but to delay them. If wanted to kill them, he would have done it with ease.


So why isn’t any shinobi just an anbu?

Because they didn't have enough hatred.



How many times do you have to say that, I don’t care how strong and elite and smart they are…he didn’t attack anbu because they don’t have sharingan, and he doesn’t want to have that kind of advantage over them. He tested on Uchiha so he can see his ability as a ninja to kick ass.

lol, you have just said that Itachi > Anbu.


Itach is anbu…

Itachi is an Uchiha who would have later take control of the Uchiha clan, in other words KPF



No read above

nope, read above, and below



No, don’t give me this bull shit. I realize that Uchiha are strong and Itachi is anbu, I don’t give a shit who they rely on Anbu> Uchiha clan

lol, so i guess anbu > Yondaime and Jiraiya. Keep the good job.


“Kisame commits many
large crimes such as daimyo killing and village destruction”-Databook

Zabuza tried to coup the mist alone, not the mist 7

Itachi > Kisame

Uchiha police > Kisame


Hell, even Azuma was able to hold his own against Kisame and even injured him. lol



No I must be not…

nope



This manga has nothing to do with real ninjas, evidenced by the fact that they can spit fire and shoot lazer beams of fire out of their eyes

if real ninjas had nothign to do, people wouldn't use kunais, shurikens, katanas, poison, bombs, smoke bombs, and so forth




Never said that

you implied by your great logic


No Kishimoto is not guessing

Kishimoto hasn't shown the new Sasuke.



No you read what Naruto said, talking about a Kakashi post time skip that trained

have you seen Sasuke's sharingan after the post times skip? NO

Have Naruto seen Sasuke's sharingan after the timeskip?

No, so STFU.


No, he can use better then Sasuke

nope, since Kakashi can't used the sharingan as good as the Uchiha family.



No, you said all members were elite, and that’s impossible. If your human you would understand that

Nope, since it was stated that a;; member were all that. You just deny the facts.


Ya he does, because he has nothing else on him

Shusui was said to be one of the best Uchihas,

so Shusui > Kakashi



And newer info given by Kishimoto says he can

from Naruto's perspective.

have Naruto seen Sasuke's sharingan from the time skip? no




Naruto also said a comment since he hasn't seen how good Sasuke has gotten with the sharingan. So that is not a fact, but an assumption.

[quote]
You just bad repped me, my rep is 5x stronger then yours buddy

You still have not enough hatred to defeat me.


No im not, im using newer facts

nope




You told me a>b>c>a doesn’t apply to naruto

Yeah and i haven't done anything against that.


Kabuto knows Oro so Kabuto must know Itachi?

Bad example, since Kabuto is Oro's right hand, so he knows eveything that Oro knows.


No, since he thinks Oro can kill Itachi and we know that’s bull

Kabuto didn't say that.


He doesn’t use it like Itachi, but he uses it better then Sasuke

better than Sasuke newly obtain inferior sharingan.

Has Naruto seen Sasuek using the sharingan after the times skip? no

hell, does Naruto even know how does the sharingan really works? no.




Asuma***********************

Was just acting cocky

same thing with kakashi and Jiraiya against Itachi.


What type is Kakashi?

Kakashi. lol



Wow, wtf are u talking about

You are denying facts.


How is that? Did the mist leader try to kidnap lil Sasuke instead of lil Hinata?

The Uchiha were strongest, feared and greatest clan of all the villages, reasons enough not to mess with them.


So does Kakashi

nope to their level

[Kamendex]

That whole post was bullshit

you didnt say anything relavent, and half your comments were attempted jokes

like

you dont have enough hatred

thats not even what Itachi said

he said you "lack hatred"

[Nighthawk]

That whole post was bullshit

you didnt say anything relavent, and half your comments were attempted jokes

like

you dont have enough hatred

thats not even what Itachi said

he said you "lack hatred"

Apperantly, LotU's fabulous post caused you to give up.

I'd like to point out that Naruto is a japanese manga and the english translation is not relevant in the way you think it is.

Kamendex :pwned

[Last of the Uchihas]

That whole post was bullshit

you didnt say anything relavent, and half your comments were attempted jokes

like

you dont have enough hatred

thats not even what Itachi said

he said you "lack hatred"


can you say PWNAGE? :cool

[Kamendex]

so now you want me to reply to that?

all right I will

but they still don't change the reputation of the clan, since they were filler and they are old.

Reputation doesn’t win battles, that’s why the Uchiha clan is dead


i'm Kishimoto

You’re a moron, how is it possible that your this stupid at 23



Nidaime how many Uchihas were there?

My username isn’t nidaime, and there arent as many Uchiha as Anbu

lol, so you mean to tell me that they had less than 1000 people in their village? lol

Less then 1000 shinobi


Temari, Gaara, Sandaime kazekage, Yondaime Kazekage, Yuura, Baki all the shinobis in the konoha invasion, escept for kankuro.


So there are more puppeteers in Suna then regulars that we know of

i guess i was wrong, you are just dumb.

I don’t spell best with a N buddy


he would still get killed by him.

Nope

i haven't said that, you said that.

Nope


last time i remmber Itachi's intention were to kill anyone, but to delay them. If wanted to kill them, he would have done it with ease.

No he wouldn’t have killed them, he was killed. Delaying someone who is your enemy involves killing them, if you cant do that then you try to delay

Because they didn't have enough hatred.

You’re a moron


lol, you have just said that Itachi > Anbu.

Nope


Itachi is an Uchiha who would have later take control of the Uchiha clan, in other words KPF


No he wouldn’t have, he wanted bigger things. He was an anbu

nope, read above, and below

Nope


lol, so i guess anbu > Yondaime and Jiraiya. Keep the good job.

No, they have nothing to do with this


Itachi > Kisame

Ya

Uchiha police > Kisame

No

Hell, even Azuma was able to hold his own against Kisame and even injured him. lol


Its Asuma, and stop bringing up facts that I posted earlier

if real ninjas had nothign to do, people wouldn't use kunais, shurikens, katanas, poison, bombs, smoke bombs, and so forth

Real ninjas have nothing to do with this because real ninjas don’t use elemental attacks



you implied by your great logic

Nope

Kishimoto hasn't shown the new Sasuke.

Nope


have you seen Sasuke's sharingan after the post times skip? NO

Nope

Have Naruto seen Sasuke's sharingan after the timeskip?

No, so STFU.

Has?*

Nope but he has seen a fully working evolved 3 tome sharingan against him

nope, since Kakashi can't used the sharingan as good as the Uchiha family.

He can use it better then Sasuke



Nope, since it was stated that a;; member were all that. You just deny the facts.

Nope, im bringing in new facts


Shusui was said to be one of the best Uchihas,

And hes dead, along with the greatest and most feared clan, geniusses
so Shusui > Kakashi

Nope, Kakashi is better because he is more famous then Shusui and that’s what your basing all your evidence on


from Naruto's perspective.

You mean from the pen of Kishimoto, Naruto was just the tool used by him to tell us how strong Kakashi is
have Naruto seen Sasuke's sharingan from the time skip? no

You already asked that


Naruto also said a comment since he hasn't seen how good Sasuke has gotten with the sharingan. So that is not a fact, but an assumption.

It doesn’t matter, his sharingan was still better then 3 tome Sasuke

You still have not enough hatred to defeat me.

You’re an idiot



Bad example, since Kabuto is Oro's right hand, so he knows eveything that Oro knows.

Even Edo tensei?

Kabuto didn't say that.

He said why don’t you just kill Itachi….


better than Sasuke newly obtain inferior sharingan.

In what way was it inferior?

Has Naruto seen Sasuek using the sharingan after the times skip? no

hell, does Naruto even know how does the sharingan really works? no.

You asked the first question 3 times, which makes me question your memory

Yes Naruto knows how sharingan works




same thing with kakashi and Jiraiya against Itachi.

nope


Kakashi. lol

???


You are denying facts.

Your repeating urself


The Uchiha were strongest, feared and greatest clan of all the villages, reasons enough not to mess with them.

Hyuuga were the strongest, feared, and greatest bloodline in Konoha, reason enough to risk your high ranking general to steal its secrets

[Nighthawk]

Kamendex, how is he supposed to reply to your post if all you ever say is "Nope, Yeah, Nope, Yeah" with a few immature insults in between. Seriously, if you don't want a debate then just don't post. No offense.

[Kamendex]

Kamendex, how is he supposed to reply to your post if all you ever say is "Nope, Yeah, Nope, Yeah" with a few immature insults in between. Seriously, if you don't want a debate then just don't post. No offense.


Are you fucking blind, do you read LOTU's posts you moron?

Im just repeating what he does...

I thought I was immature and you pitied me, but what the hell are you doing sticking around here this has nothing to do with you...

you prove your IQ by your sig

[MartialHorror]

lol, as for this debate,

It depends. I dont know the numbers........but the Uchihas(Im assuming this is who we are talking about) were just a very big clan........I dont know their exact numbers. Same with Anbu.........

assuming they had = numbers. Remember, Anbu are assassins. If this was like a mission battle, Anbu would win.

In a normal fight, I'd say the Uchihas/Kohona police.

[Kamendex]

lol, as for this debate,

It depends. I dont know the numbers........but the Uchihas(Im assuming this is who we are talking about) were just a very big clan........I dont know their exact numbers. Same with Anbu.........

assuming they had = numbers. Remember, Anbu are assassins. If this was like a mission battle, Anbu would win.

In a normal fight, I'd say the Uchihas/Kohona police.

The thing is...how can 1 clan be larger then the entire meat of the military of Konoha. Not just the meat, they are the military of Konoha...

Itachi and Kakashi are Anbu in the time of the Uchiha clan, and Itachi alone took out the Uchihas...

So how can the Uchihas beat the ANBU plus Itachi?

[MartialHorror]

The thing is...how can 1 clan be larger then the entire meat of the military of Konoha. Not just the meat, they are the military of Konoha...

Itachi and Kakashi are Anbu in the time of the Uchiha clan, and Itachi alone took out the Uchihas...

So how can the Uchihas beat the ANBU plus Itachi?

Oh, if Itachi's there........then Anbu takes this easily.

I wonder the Uchihas size just because they wer the police..................but good point. Guess I will vote for Anbu then.

[Kamendex]

Oh, if Itachi's there........then Anbu takes this easily.

I wonder the Uchihas size just because they wer the police..................but good point. Guess I will vote for Anbu then.

Good choice, but LOTU is trying to say that Itachi will be in the KPF in the future, so he cant be in ANBU now...

his mind is at a loss, Itachi or Uchiha clan for him











Lotu u just gonna view this thread or are u gonna post

[MartialHorror]

er, Lotu, the fact is Itachi was never even in the Police...........

[Last of the Uchihas]

Reputation doesn’t win battles, that’s why the Uchiha clan is dead

I know that, you can ask Jiraiya about that, since Itachi would have woop Jiraiya's ass in a blink of an eye if he wnated to.

But that still doesn't chnage the fact that Uchiha clan > anbu



You’re a moron, how is it possible that your this stupid at 23

lol, is that your lame defence?


My username isn’t nidaime, and there arent as many Uchiha as Anbu

care to prove me that?



Less then 1000 shinobi

lol, yeah right.




So there are more puppeteers in Suna then regulars that we know of

its the other way around, read my previous posts.



I don’t spell best with a N buddy

if you had half a brain, you will noticed that the b letter is night next to the n letter in the keyboard, meaning that it was a typo.



Nope

nope



Nope

nope




No he wouldn’t have killed them, he was killed. Delaying someone who is your enemy involves killing them, if you cant do that then you try to delay

Itachi clearly stated that his goal was to delay them, not kill them.

Notice that all the jutsus that Itachi did were basic jutsus, meaning that he was holding back.



You’re a moron

why thank you.




Nope

nope



No he wouldn’t have, he wanted bigger things. He was an anbu

LOL, he was the heir of the greatest clan of all, >anbu. he wanted a worthy opponent and killed the Uchiha clan, not the anbu, since they suck.



Nope

nope.



No, they have nothing to do with this

oh yeah it does.




Ya

ya



No

nope




Its Asuma, and stop bringing up facts that I posted earlier

you didn't i did.



Real ninjas have nothing to do with this because real ninjas don’t use elemental attacks

they do use elemental attack, such as fire, hence the symbil fo teh Uchiha, since real shinobisused fan to start fire.

the also used the wind in their advantage so that no dog would pick up their scents.

The poison water so kill their enemies.



Nope

nope


[quote]
Nope [/qoute]

nope


Nope

nope



Has?*

Nope but he has seen a fully working evolved 3 tome sharingan against him

nope, Naruto didn't even noticed that Sasuke had a 3 tomoe sharingan. read the manga.


He can use it better then Sasuke

better than Sasuek newly obtain inferior sharingan.



Nope, im bringing in new facts

lol


And hes dead, along with the greatest and most feared clan, geniusses

so would have Kakashi, Azuma, Gai, Kurenai, Naruto and Jiraiya if Itachi wanted to.


Nope, Kakashi is better because he is more famous then Shusui and that’s what your basing all your evidence on

Kakashi is famous because he has the sharingan, and because there isn't an Uchiha alive, beside Sasuke and Itachi.


Tell me this who would stand out froma clan, all Uchiha that have the sharingan or one person that is not a Uchiha and have one sharingan implanted in his eye?



You mean from the pen of Kishimoto, Naruto was just the tool used by him to tell us how strong Kakashi is

Kishimoto has done that with other characters by making them assume things from their point of view.


You already asked that

i know, that's because you have problems understanding.



It doesn’t matter, his sharingan was still better then 3 tome Sasuke

than Sasuek newly obtained inferior sharingan.



You’re an idiot

why thank you.



Even Edo tensei?

even edo tensei, go look at the tsunade confrontation.


He said why don’t you just kill Itachi….

i didn't even remember that.


In what way was it inferior?

because he just got it in that battle.



You asked the first question 3 times, which makes me question your memory

Nope, it just because i'm dealing with a retard.


Yes Naruto knows how sharingan works

lol


nope

nope


???

yep



Your repeating urself

i wonder why?


Hyuuga were the strongest,

4 years after the Uchiha were wipe out, and only the strongest of the Leaf.

The Uchiha clan were the strongest of all of the villages.


feared,

nope, they Uchiha were.


and greatest bloodline in Konoha, reason enough to risk your high ranking general to steal its secrets


Uchiha clan were the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all the villages.


The Hyuuga have the finest bloodline since everyone got the byakugan in the family, since not all Uchihas have the sharingan.


sharingan=byakugan

ms>sharingan=byakugan

[MartialHorror]

hmmmmm, Lotu, The Uchihas were probably the strongest because they were the biggest. And feared because they were the police. And the greatest because they were the biggest and had the most political power.

[Kamendex]

LOTU your post is full of more bs and its too late in the night for me to post about it
im going to sleep

[Nighthawk]

hmmmmm, Lotu, The Uchihas were probably the strongest because they were the biggest. And feared because they were the police. And the greatest because they were the biggest and had the most political power.

Not really, dude. They didn't have political power. Why do you think Itachi was so important for the Uchiha clan? Because the clan was isolated. The Leafs wanted the Uchihas as the police force cuz they were superior shinobi with the strongest bloodline.

[Last of the Uchihas]

hmmmmm, Lotu, The Uchihas were probably the strongest because they were the biggest.

where does it said that?

no where but they did say, that all Uchiha were Elite, superior and genius hence strongest.


And feared because they were the police

according to Zabuza because of shairngan.

according to Itachi it was because of being just an Uchiha, and MS


. And the greatest because they were the biggest and had the most political power.

Greatest clan because there were no other clan that could kill them.,

[skmt999]

Man, the misrepresented facts in here. I've gathered enough on the subject to see some serious holes in the lack of logic.

Uchiha clan founded KPD, which then became a seperate entity. Because Uchiha members tended to be higher ranking members of KPD, they eventually took the Uchiwa Fan as part of their organization's symbol. Ergo, KPD =/= Uchiha. Uchiha is PART of KPD, not the totality. Even in Itachi's time, KPD wasn't all Uchiha. In fact, wasn't there some mention of there only being a few left as part of KPD at all by that point?

Second, not the entire village of Konoha is Shinobi. Remember how hard the tests were to become mere Gennin? How many were left out of the huge number applying that actually became (or might have, had the matches been finished properly) Chuunin?
In the same vein, not every Uchiha has Sharingan. This is a statement that has been repeated many times, yet ignored. There are always varying levels of competence in any given family. The Uchiha CLAN was by nature, a family. Thus made of old geezers, kids, retired folks, regular citizens, and what have you. Only a small percentage were Shinobi. And only a few of those were outstanding. The Uchiha family as a whole was known for producing high talent Shinobi, but you have to take the long view. Percentages.

ANBU is a special task force. It is made from the best of the shinobi in the entire village. Those who wish to join, anyway. That's a higher percentage of talent than the regular Police. Task force > Police. Like SWAT vs. LAPD.

That doesn't mean that they are invincible. Obviously they aren't. We see enough of them dead or disabled. In contrast, we aren't shown the inner workings of the Police force in charge of keeping Da Law over the civilians at large.

So, really we don't know who is part of KPD, what the average talent of the individual members are... etc. Except that if they were high quality ninja, they'd be out on missions and not doing police work. It's most likely that the KPD is actually made of civilians or 'retired' low level ninjas. Those who made Genin but never got much farther. How many 30 year olds do you know that would be satisfied with pulling weeds and other small tasks as his job? Nah, he'd rather be 'doing' something. Like police work. At least that has to do with his former training. ;-)

Anyway, I think I've said enough. Later all!

[MartialHorror]

where does it said that?

no where but they did say, that all Uchiha were Elite, superior and genius hence strongest..,

-Can you imagine a small clan being the police? Also, in their small flashbacks we have seen more Uchihas than any other clan.
Inuzukas: 3
Akamichi: 2
Yamanaka: 2
Hyuuga: 5
Aburame: 2
Nara: 3
Uchiha: 8 I think(Depending if those dudes Itachi pwned were in the manga and not filler. Plus, a mention of Shishui or whatever)


according to Zabuza because of shairngan.
according to Itachi it was because of being just an Uchiha, and MS.,
-Only few Uchiha had Sharingan, and MS was more than rare.


Greatest clan because there were no other clan that could kill them.,

If they were the biggest, and all pretty strong anyways(I assume the majority were Chuunin and Jounin), it would be pretty hard to kill them.

Nighthawk- I meant political as they had more authority. Police usually have that. We've seen nothing that shows any other clan had an authority like that.

[Last of the Uchihas]

-Can you imagine a small clan being the police? Also, in their small flashbacks we have seen more Uchihas than any other clan.
Inuzukas: 3
Akamichi: 2
Yamanaka: 2
Hyuuga: 5
Aburame: 2
Nara: 3
Uchiha: 8 I think(Depending if those dudes Itachi pwned were in the manga and not filler. Plus, a mention of Shishui or whatever)

They showed more Hyuugas than Uchiha in their flashbacks, way more.



-Only few Uchiha had Sharingan, and MS was more than rare. [/quote[

even more reason to say that they reputation of the Uchiha didn't came from the sharingan but from the overall shinobis, since they were all called genius, elite and superior.



[quote]
If they were the biggest, and all pretty strong anyways(I assume the majority were Chuunin and Jounin), it would be pretty hard to kill them.

They were Jounins and chunnin, and Itachi killed them.

[MartialHorror]

They showed more Hyuugas than Uchiha in their flashbacks, way more.
.

-Really? All I recall were Hizashi, Hiashi, Hinata, Neji, Hanabi and some old guy.



even more reason to say that they reputation of the Uchiha didn't came from the sharingan but from the overall shinobis, since they were all called genius, elite and superior.
.

-Wasnt Katon their most prized jutsu? C class..

I dont deny the fact they were all strong. But remember, the more quanity= less quality.

[Hef]

-Really? All I recall were Hizashi, Hiashi, Hinata, Neji, Hanabi and some old guy.

There was whole bunch of nameless Hyuugas in one flashback... I can't remember was it Neji or at the Sandaime's funeral, though. :sweat
And then there were the nameless "council members" who were discussing about the Hinata kidnap case. :wink

[Last of the Uchihas]

-Really? All I recall were Hizashi, Hiashi, Hinata, Neji, Hanabi and some old guy.

Nope look at the flashback, where Neji's father knocks out Hinata's father.

or when Sandaime was reunited with the Hyuugas.

They clearly showed more Hyuugas than Uchihas.



-Wasnt Katon their most prized jutsu? C class..

nope, it was the most basic jutsu, and a jutsu used as a ritual for adulthood.


I dont deny the fact they were all strong. But remember, the more quanity= less quality.

Why the more quatity less quality, when it was said that all Uchihas were elite, superior and geniuses? :wink

[skmt999]

Yeah, there were a ton of Hyuugas in those flashbacks about Hizashi's corpse being handed over instead of Hiashi. Just random folks all standing in the same room. Didn't even look alike except for the white eyes. Brown hair, spikey hair, odd clothes.... only the random old guy looked anything like Hiashi and his collective kids (and Neji).

But they didn't have names, unlike most of the other clanfolk we've seen. They were more like scenery.

[MartialHorror]

Nope look at the flashback, where Neji's father knocks out Hinata's father.

or when Sandaime was reunited with the Hyuugas.

They clearly showed more Hyuugas than Uchihas.


-Ah, okay. got me there.



Why the more quatity less quality, when it was said that all Uchihas were elite, superior and geniuses? :wink

Did it really say ALL Uchihas were elite, superior and geniuses or just "The Uchihas were elite, superior and geniuses?

And simple, the more shinobi you got. The harder it is to train them all nicely. Which is why in general, The sand Shinobi>The Leaf shinobi in overall ability but lack numbers.

Also, the way Fugaku made it sound, the Uchihas were hurting because of how important it was for Itachi to become Anbu. You once said maybe they were intending to overthrow Hokage, but why would the rank matter that much compared to Itachi's overall ability?

[Last of the Uchihas]

Did it really say ALL Uchihas were elite, superior and geniuses or just "The Uchihas were elite, superior and geniuses?

Kakashi said tht all Uchihas were elites and geniuses, even in other parts of the manga this have been mentioned.

Itachi mentioned the superior part.


And simple, the more shinobi you got. The harder it is to train them all nicely.

not if all of them are geniuses, like the Uchihas and Hyuugas.


Which is why in general, The sand Shinobi>The Leaf shinobi in overall ability but lack numbers.

obviously, not an Uchiha nor Hyuuha.


Also, the way Fugaku made it sound, the Uchihas were hurting because of how important it was for Itachi to become Anbu. You once said maybe they were intending to overthrow Hokage, but why would the rank matter that much compared to Itachi's overall ability?

For ease access to the Hokage, since Itachi alone could kill him.

[Kyuubi Naruto]

Ill vote for the Anbu as though they come from different areas then one specific one.

[MartialHorror]

Kakashi said tht all Uchihas were elites and geniuses, even in other parts of the manga this have been mentioned.

Itachi mentioned the superior part..

-Post evidense please?


not if all of them are geniuses, like the Uchihas and Hyuugas.
.-If they were all geniuses, Itachi wouldnt have killed them without breaking a sweat and doing it all quietly. Its obvious he used no uber jutsus because it would have been to obvious and everyone would hear it and such. ALso, the place looked pretty well intact.



For ease access to the Hokage, since Itachi alone could kill him.

That makes no sense. Anbu are constantly out on missions.

[Last of the Uchihas]

-Post evidense please?

go read the first cahpter of the Kakashi gaiden.



-If they were all geniuses, Itachi wouldnt have killed them without breaking a sweat and doing it all quietly.

Because Itachi is the greater genius of the ever.


Its obvious he used no uber jutsus because it would have been to obvious and everyone would hear it and such. ALso, the place looked pretty well intact.

The place did show signs of struggles, blood, bodies, and destruction to property.

Itachi just went old school, swords and kunais.



That makes no sense. Anbu are constantly out on missions.

KPF are contantly enforcing the law, and protecting the whole village.

[Nighthawk]

I didnt realize fucking hokages who are hailed as the best in their time during a time of war where many ninjas were around WERE FUCKING CONSIDERED WEAK


Calm down. I didn't say he is weak. But it's difficult to compete with the hokages.


More mature? Thats bullshit

Mokuton was broken by a staff, so how is it more superior then suiton?

Suiton is more diverse in its attacks...

It was stated in the databook the Second was impatient and immature.
Mokuton wasn't broken, you fool. Plus Enma is the strongest weapon, hard as diamond, Nidaime doesn't have something like that. Suiton is more diverse? what the fuck? Ur a hopless fanboy. sarutobi didn't break a sweat fighting nidaime, only the shodai was a problem for him.


Sannin > Kisame?

Is this ur excuse to say that Tsunade is greater then Nidaime?

By putting her with the other 2 GOOD FIGHTERS?

Because Tsunade alone sucks...

The sannin are equal in power, so yes, sannin > kisame. Tsunade is strong as hell, you idiot. Kisame is the best at suiton jutsu, and the sannin are still on a whole other level. You think the nidaime could beat them with his cheap water jutsu if Kisame can't with ocean no jutsu and shark attack? plz.

Kisame and every other elite person and almost Kabuto is > Tsunade


I heard a lot of bullcrap, but this is really something... :blink


Kisame < Nidaime, why? because Kisame isnt considered the best in his time nor is he Mizukage, nor is he considered best in his village or akatsuki, or in his mini team with Itachi, he was useless against Jiraiya, he was countered by Kakashi, he was held back by Asuma, he was kicked in the face by Gai, he was beaten to a pulp by Gai, he was nearly blown up by Tentens kunai, he was kicked by lee, he was hit by a Hyuuga Neji range attack, and almost killed by Jiraiya...

lol u think nidaime would be strongest in akatsuki? you think his chakra and water jutsu are better than kisame's? Don't make me laugh.
what you said next is stupid shit...Kisame > Gai/any other jounin, the manga proved it. Also, i know that kisame isn't the strongest akatsuki, but what's ur point? Does nidaime look better cuz of that? you fool.




Reason 1 he was chosen as Hokage...

A hero who founded Konoha with a strong will.

Reason 2

He was supported by comrades who trusted him above all.


So? What did ya prove with that? :laugh


Both trained him?

No dumbass read the databook, Nidaime was his teacher.

THERE IS A WHOLE FUCKING WEBSITE dedicated to proving ur bullshit theories wrong, click the link under my pics


nidaime was his teacher, but the first taught him things too. read the manga, foolish little fanboy.

Kakashi is the teacher of the strongest nins ever? wtf u talking about u fucking moron

Are you going to deny that? lol


In contrast to his calm older brother, his nature is to push forward

How bout another?

He is prideful of his superior combat ability

more?

He is prideful of his superior combat ability, and with the Suiton jutsu which he was especially skilful at.

Here bitch eat this

he was unexpectedly revived in the present to defeat Sandaime, which put fear in the people of Konoha.

Did it say that about Shodai?

No bitch


:kukuku :kukuku :kukuku

lol that was pathetic. The databook described his attitude, so?
How does that prove your point?

Sarutobi > Sannin > Kisame > Nidaime. Give up, kamendex.

Sorry for crushing your little fanboy world, kamendex. :cool

[Kimi Sama]

Alright lads, calm it down will you?

Heated debates are just fine, but "BECAUSE YOUR A FUCKING FAGGOT" is not fine at all.
So calm it down and less of the flaming, or I might just trash this thread.

Consider yourself warned, Kamendex. And yes, I know you are being baited to a large extent so I'm no picking on you - if I see more childish insults from anyone else, I'll be taking action.

As for the topic itself... It's a bit of a moot point. We know nothing about any individual ANBU, nor we do we know anything about thier specialities. We also know nothing about any of the Uchiha that made up the KPD.

I'm amazed 7 pages have appeared from this.

[Kamendex]

To Nighthawk not Kimmimaro Sama--

omfg, what is this?

You did this because you knew I was going to sleep and you wanted to look like you shut me down?

Is that it?



Calm down. I didn't say he is weak. But it's difficult to compete with the hokages.

Tsunade is a medic nin, she isnt Hokage enough to compete with someone who has been considered the best ninja of his time

It was stated in the databook the Second was impatient and immature.

No it wasnt, it says he was sturdy and zealous...nice lie right there

Mokuton wasn't broken, you fool. Plus Enma is the strongest weapon, hard as diamond, Nidaime doesn't have something like that.
Im a fool?

Mokuton WAS broken by Enma...

Ya your a fool for writing this bs

Suiton is more diverse? what the fuck? Ur a hopless fanboy. sarutobi didn't break a sweat fighting nidaime, only the shodai was a problem for him.

Are you joking? Suiton isnt diverse is that what your saying?

Suiton can trap you, shoot you, and defend you

Let me list all suiton moves for you

Suiton: Suiryuudan no Jutsu (nin) -- Water Type: Water Dragon Blast Technique
Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu (nin) -- Water Type: Great Waterfall Technique
Suiton: Suikoudan no Jutsu (nin) -- Water Type: Water Shark Blast Techniqu
Suirou no Jutsu -- C-Rank -- Water Prison Technique
Kirigakure no Jutsu -- D-Rank -- Hidden Mist Technique
Mizu Bunshin no Jutsu -- C-Rank -- Water Clone Skill
Sensatsu Suishou -- B-Rank -- Flying Water Needles
Suitaihou (nin) -- Water Cannonball
Suiton: Bakusui Shouha-- Water Type: Explosive Water Shockwave
Suiton: Goshokuzame -- Water Type: Five Feeding Sharks


More techniques from one element you will not find

The sannin are equal in power, so yes, sannin > kisame. Tsunade is strong as hell, you idiot.

Was that before or after Kabuto was going to kill her?

Kisame is the best at suiton jutsu

How so? Plz carefully explain to me how that is. Can he create water out of no where? without a jutsu? or can he just lift his hands and water is born
and the sannin are still on a whole other level.

No, not Tsunade she isnt at their level...

You think the nidaime could beat them with his cheap water jutsu if Kisame can't with ocean no jutsu and shark attack? plz.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/WaterSeals.jpg
Just look how many seals it takes for a elite jounin to perform the same Jounin rank jutsu. All those small symbols are the Jounins performing seals, then look at Nidaime who just does one seal and viola!

You call this cheap?




Ahh I get it, your a Kisame fan...your mad because he got beaten to a pulp by Gai...

I see this is why you hate Nidaime, because he is completly better then Kisame in every aspect.


I heard a lot of bullcrap, but this is really something... :blink


No its not, your just a sad Kisame fan
lol u think nidaime would be strongest in akatsuki? you think his chakra and water jutsu are better than kisame's? Don't make me laugh.
what you said next is stupid shit...Kisame > Gai/any other jounin, the manga proved it. Also, i know that kisame isn't the strongest akatsuki, but what's ur point? Does nidaime look better cuz of that? you fool.

Hahahah, I finally got it.

You sad Kisame fan...

Kisame<Gai

Kisame<Jiraiya and Oro

Kisame<Kakashi

Kisame<Itachi

Kisame<Deidara

Kisame<Sasori

Kisame<Shodai

Kisame<Nidaime

Kisame<Sarutobi

Kisame<Yondaime

Kisame<Zetsu

Kisame<Chiyo-baa

Kisame<Gaara



Kisame=Tsunade




So? What did ya prove with that? :laugh

Dont be in denial, you should be in the healing stage now, after that terrible beating Kisame got...

nidaime was his teacher, but the first taught him things too. read the manga, foolish little fanboy.

I do read the manga, Nidaime was his teacher.

In the only picture they had of him with his Genin group...GUESS WHO WAS TRAINING THEM

GUESS WHO HAD HIS HAND ON SARUTOBI'S HEAD


lol that was pathetic. The databook described his attitude, so?
How does that prove your point?

Sarutobi > Sannin > Kisame > Nidaime. Give up, kamendex.

Sorry for crushing your little fanboy world, kamendex. :cool

Plz buddy, your a Kisame fanboy you are just bending the facts to raise Kisame an inch on everyones strong scale.

Kisame sucks buddy, he always will :\

[nEoMaRz]

ANBU these guys are awesome. Just because you are an Uchiha does not make you a good ninja. ANBU's are nown to be bad ass.

[Kamendex]

Alright lads, calm it down will you?

Heated debates are just fine, but "BECAUSE YOUR A FUCKING FAGGOT" is not fine at all.
So calm it down and less of the flaming, or I might just trash this thread.

Consider yourself warned, Kamendex. And yes, I know you are being baited to a large extent so I'm no picking on you - if I see more childish insults from anyone else, I'll be taking action.

As for the topic itself... It's a bit of a moot point. We know nothing about any individual ANBU, nor we do we know anything about thier specialities. We also know nothing about any of the Uchiha that made up the KPD.

I'm amazed 7 pages have appeared from this.


Rofl, Just look at Nighthawks sig, that says it all.

Thats what gets me pissed off, you dont see me putting down any characters for no reason.

You dont see a Kisame bashing statement in my sig.

You just see dumb quotes from Lotu

[Nighthawk]

Funny post, Kamendex. Stupid, but still entertaining.

Tsunade is a medic nin, she isnt Hokage enough to compete with someone who has been considered the best ninja of his time


I had enough of your sexist remarks. Tsunade = Jiraiya = Oro.

No it wasnt, it says he was sturdy and zealous...nice lie right there It's not a lie. My deductive skills allow me to understand Nidaime's weakness.


Im a fool?

Mokuton WAS broken by Enma...

Ya your a fool for writing this bs

I said the JUTSU wasn't broken, just a few branches. Your argument isn't relevant since Nidaime doesn't have the diamant pole, he can't escape mokuton.


Are you joking? Suiton isnt diverse is that what your saying?

Suiton can trap you, shoot you, and defend you

Let me list all suiton moves for you

Suiton: Suiryuudan no Jutsu (nin) -- Water Type: Water Dragon Blast Technique
Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu (nin) -- Water Type: Great Waterfall Technique
Suiton: Suikoudan no Jutsu (nin) -- Water Type: Water Shark Blast Techniqu
Suirou no Jutsu -- C-Rank -- Water Prison Technique
Kirigakure no Jutsu -- D-Rank -- Hidden Mist Technique
Mizu Bunshin no Jutsu -- C-Rank -- Water Clone Skill
Sensatsu Suishou -- B-Rank -- Flying Water Needles
Suitaihou (nin) -- Water Cannonball
Suiton: Bakusui Shouha-- Water Type: Explosive Water Shockwave
Suiton: Goshokuzame -- Water Type: Five Feeding Sharks

You said suiton is more diverse than mokuton which is bullshit.
Funny how you mentioned all those jutsu only kisame can perform.
Kisame > Nidaime.



How so? Plz carefully explain to me how that is. Can he [Kisame]create water out of no where?

Looooooool. I have nothing further to say, you just pwned your own ass.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Nidaime-Sama/WaterSeals.jpg
Just look how many seals it takes for a elite jounin to perform the same Jounin rank jutsu. All those small symbols are the Jounins performing seals, then look at Nidaime who just does one seal and viola!

You call this cheap?

Nope, I don't call this cheap. But Kisame's suiton jutsu are more impressive and even Kisame can't handle the sannin. That's all I said.

Ahh I get it, your a Kisame fan...your mad because he got beaten to a pulp by Gai...

Do you actually read the manga or just some half-assed summaries?
Last time I checked, a 30% shouten jutsu Kisame beat Gai to a pulp and forced him to use SIX GATES. Otherwise, Gai would have been killed by a weak Kisame bunshin whose purpose was to do nothing but buy some time in the first place.

I see this is why you hate Nidaime, because he is completly better then Kisame in every aspect.

lol proof?

[Kamendex]

Funny post, Kamendex. Stupid, but still entertaining.

I have evidence backing up everything I say, where’s your evidence?



I had enough of your sexist remarks. Tsunade = Jiraiya = Oro.

Im not being sexist, I know Tsunade isn’t on par with them because of a lil plot device no jutsu that Kishimoto used in the fight.

THE ONLY 2 that were handicapped were Jiraiya and Orochimaru, and it was still Tsunade who almost died

It's not a lie. My deductive skills allow me to understand Nidaime's weakness.

Im not even going to respond to that…

I said the JUTSU wasn't broken, just a few branches. Your argument isn't relevant since Nidaime doesn't have the diamant pole, he can't escape mokuton.

???I didn’t know there was any other way to break a jutsu…

Sandaime broke the jutsu plain and simple, it was no longer effective against him, Nidaime has Suiton Suijinheki
That alone can block forest genesis

You said suiton is more diverse than mokuton which is bullshit.
Funny how you mentioned all those jutsu only kisame can perform.
Kisame > Nidaime.

Are you joking, now I know you have nothing to say, only the bottom 2 we’re Kisame only jutsu, some of those were Hatake Kakashi jutsu…

Here ill add more

Suiton - Teppoudama -- Gamabunta -- C-Rank -- Water Element - Bullet
Suiton - Suigadan -- Uchiha Itachi -- B-Rank -- Water Element - Water Fang Bullet



Looooooool. I have nothing further to say, you just pwned your own ass.

No swearing he said, I stopped you should too

Nope, I don't call this cheap. But Kisame's suiton jutsu are more impressive and even Kisame can't handle the sannin. That's all I said.

Maybe his suiton was more impressive because he wasn’t a dead zombie with no strategy?

What kind of Kisame fan are you, my Kisame fan just kicked in and is saying Kisame>Tsunade

Do you actually read the manga or just some half-assed summaries?
Last time I checked, a 30% shouten jutsu Kisame beat Gai to a pulp and forced him to use SIX GATES. Otherwise, Gai would have been killed by a weak Kisame bunshin whose purpose was to do nothing but buy some time in the first place.
Last time I checked Nidaime was a dead zombie…

Last time I checked Kisame wouldn’t have survived that with 100% either way


lol proof?

All my posts buddy, wheres yours

I removed the bit reffering to me, since theres not much point in it now. k-sama

[Nighthawk]

You dont see a Kisame bashing statement in my sig.

No, you're just bashing him in your posts because he is stronger than Nidaime.

Quote: Kisame sucks, Gai > Kisame.

You just see dumb quotes from Lotu

Actually, those quotes are taken out of context and you look dumb putting them in your sig. Because what lotu said makes sense if you know about the context.

[Dark_wolf247]

WAIIIT, no I was talking to Nighhawk, I posted that I was going to sleep and then he posted that lil gem above yours

someone who has to wait for someone to go to sleep in order to prove a point obviously doesnt have a very strong argument...

[Kamendex]

o.o lol, what

edit- o nvm i got it, thnx DW :D

No, you're just bashing him in your posts because he is stronger than Nidaime.

Quote: Kisame sucks, Gai > Kisame.

Gai is > Kisame, and Tsunade is not

Tsunade is better when it comes to staying alive and being a hokage...



Actually, those quotes are taken out of context and you look dumb putting them in your sig. Because what lotu said makes sense if you know about the context.

No they arent, you dont know lotu like i do

[Kimi Sama]

WAIIIT, no I was talking to Nighhawk, I posted that I was going to sleep and then he posted that lil gem above yours

Ah I see, my mistake. I'll go edit my accusation now.

Also, I'll clarify what I said in my warning.

Get as heated as you like, thats all good - just don't degenerate into childish namecalling or flaming to make your point, or if you get annoyed at someone.
Oh and as for swearing... well my user title was "Starfuckers!" for a couple of weeks, so I'd be a hypocrit if I told you to stop lol.
Just make sure you arent insulting each other and it's all good. You can insult characters you dont like, but make sure your also posting a reason, if your intending it as part of an arguement.

Wow, my first big moddly interevention :smile-big

Why has a topic initially about ANBU and the KPD become a debate on the strength of Nidame compared to... well, everyone.
I'll leave it be for now, but I might split it in half later, and make the Nidaime debate it's own thread. Please be sure to use spoiler tags for manga plot, though, gentlemen.

[Kamendex]

Why has a topic initially about ANBU and the KPD become a debate on the strength of Nidame compared to... well, everyone.
I'll leave it be for now, but I might split it in half later, and make the Nidaime debate it's own thread. Please be sure to use spoiler tags for manga plot, though, gentlemen.

Ill give it to you in a nutshell ;D

Kamendex-Anbu>KPF

LOTU-Uchiha>Anbu

Kamendex-But Lotu Itachi=Anbu>KPF

LOTU-NO NO, mind hurt should i vote Itachi or Uchiha??

I GOT IT, Lotu="Itachi will be the leader of KPF soon"

Kamendex=:noworry

LOTU vs Kamendex= Good arguements

Nighthawk-Hey guys im nighthawk, Guess what Kamendex Nidaime sucks he is weaker then Kisame, and yes I made this post to piss you off and get your attention

Kamendex-Was that a shot at me?

Nighthawk-Yes, that was a shot at you. :P




Kamendex=give good arguements against Nighthawks accusations

Nighthawk=make false sig, bash Nidaime, bait me into swearing

[Wing-Zero]

ok if we are thinking in the current time anbu wins cause well there are no more uchihas now with Itachi on anbu, anbu wins. If Itachi is on the other side they majorlu win. So Basically whoever has itachi wins.

[Kamendex]

ok if we are thinking in the current time anbu wins cause well there are no more uchihas now with Itachi on anbu, anbu wins. If Itachi is on the other side they majorlu win. So Basically whoever has itachi wins.

But you gotta take into account that people like Kakashi, and other strongs are in the Anbu...

how can it be possible that Itachi is in the KPF, he wanted bigger things and was a full fledged anbu


Oh and Nighthawk

I win :bow

[Nighthawk]

Ill give it to you in a nutshell ;D

Kamendex-Anbu>KPF

LOTU-Uchiha>Anbu

Kamendex-But Lotu Itachi=Anbu>KPF

LOTU-NO NO, mind hurt should i vote Itachi or Uchiha??

I GOT IT, Lotu="Itachi will be the leader of KPF soon"

Kamendex=:noworry

LOTU vs Kamendex= Good arguements

Nighthawk-Hey guys im nighthawk, Guess what Kamendex Nidaime sucks he is weaker then Kisame, and yes I made this post to piss you off and get your attention

Kamendex-Was that a shot at me?

Nighthawk-

What the hell was that? :blink Someone translate this lol.

[Kamendex]

Yes, kamendex is good guy, is logical and fair. Nighthawk is evil.

Ya, I am logical and fair.

I say Kisame can beat Tsunade

and your saying your favorite char Kisame cannot...

Not only that but you tried to get me pissed off by going completly :offtopic
because I didnt read or reply to any of your posts

Look at your sig son

[MartialHorror]

go read the first cahpter of the Kakashi gaiden..


-Yay! I finally read it! And it sounded like Kakashi was baiting him...................................

Because Itachi is the greater genius of the ever.
.-One genius can not defeat a clan of them.


The place did show signs of struggles, blood, bodies, and destruction to property.

Itachi just went old school, swords and kunais..

-Unless he did just attack them all one at a time.

*UChiha walks out and sees carnage: "WTF?" Itachi stabs him from behind*

It's kind of hard to have a full blown fight when the most popular attack of the Uchihas was katon. It would have been much more screwed up.


KPF are contantly enforcing the law, and protecting the whole village.
And? I meant that Itachi would always be away on missions, which is why it would be kind of hard to find time to assassinate the hokage. The entire ordeal doesnt make sense,

unless then Uchihas were hurting.

[Last of the Uchihas]

ANBU these guys are awesome.

So awesome that they get killed by the docenS by jounins.


While Chiyosaid run for your life if you see an sharingan user.


Just because you are an Uchiha does not make you a good ninja.

All Uchihas were stated to be geniuses, elite, and superior, not anbu.

the Uhciha were wipe out by Itachi, the greatest genius the academy had ever seen i since its foundation.

Itachi is the only shinobi who reached the kage level shinobi by the age of 10/11 years old.

Itachi is the only that reached the kage level shinobi on his on without the need of sannin or hokages as sensei.

Itachi > sannin-Yondaime



ANBU's are nown to be bad ass.

The Uchihas wereknow to be the strongest, feared and greatest clan fo all.


Anbu's reputation pales in comparison tot he Uchiha clan, aka KPF.

[Aregashi]

i would bet on Konoha Police. they are uchihas u know. the sharingan gives them advance. :sgan

[Kamendex]

i would bet on Konoha Police. they are uchihas u know. the sharingan gives them advance. :sgan

Itachi is in the Anbu

Kakashi is in the Anbu

It takes a superior ninja to police control

but it takes the best of the best in the village to police the world like the Anbu :D

[Last of the Uchihas]

-Yay! I finally read it! And it sounded like Kakashi was baiting him...................................

lol, so i guess you believe the part where Jiraiya said that rasengan is a jutsu more amazing than chidori? :amuse


-One genius can not defeat a clan of them.

lol then you don't read the manga at all.

Itachi is not juts a genius, Itachi is the greater genius in history since they foundation of the academy.

Itachi is the shinibi that didn't need any help at all from his sensei.

Itachi reached the kage level shinobi by the age of 10/11 on his own, without a sannin or hokage as his sensei.

Itachi > Oro=Yondaime=Sandaime




-Unless he did just attack them all one at a time.

We did see mutiple bodies in the same areas, meaning that he might took unit by unti.

All people can attack at the same time, so they must take turns.



*UChiha walks out and sees carnage: "WTF?" Itachi stabs him from behind*

lol, downplaying Itachi's achivement again?

So i guess Yondaime is nothing more than a pussy since he killed those mere 56 shinobis while they were distracted, tired, resting. What a pussy that guy is.



It's kind of hard to have a full blown fight when the most popular attack of the Uchihas was katon. It would have been much more screwed up.

the Uchiha have all types of jutsus that you can imagine, since their specialty is copyiing jutsus from eveybody.

Kabuto didn't want to fight Kakahsi because he would ahve cop his jutsus, is only one of the reason why Zabusa said that's why the Uchiha were so feared, because they can adapt to anything and use any jutsus af if they were the true masters..


And? I meant that Itachi would always be away on missions, which is why it would be kind of hard to find time to assassinate the hokage. The entire ordeal doesnt make sense,

unless then Uchihas were hurting.


That's why they were planning, hence think forward.

Fugaku was obviously planning something siniters, but Itachi killed the whole clan before it was further revealed.

Itachi did had the power to kill Sandaine.

Itachi=KPF not anbu


although even Kakashi is in anbu with a sharingan, he still would get massacred by the KPF.

[Nighthawk]

That's why they were planning, hence think forward.

Fugaku was obviously planning something siniters, but Itachi killed the whole clan before it was further revealed.

Itachi did had the power to kill Sandaine.

That's a good theory, lotu. It makes sense.
And I also believe that Itachi had the power to kill Sandaime and obviously Fugaku knew about that. Now...um...I...I have to admit you were probably right when you said Fugaku knew about Itachi's mange.

[Last of the Uchihas]

That's a good theory, lotu. It makes sense.
And I also believe that Itachi had the power to kill Sandaime and obviously Fugaku knew about that. Now...um...I...I have to admit you were probably right when you said Fugaku knew about Itachi's mange.

If anybody, read the manga carefully, you guys wiould know WTF i have been talking about day one.

And no, is not shit. :amuse

[Kamendex]

Are you joking?

Itachi did not have the power to kill Sandaime...

Sandaime isnt a random Kage who wouldnt know anything about Itachi...

Sandaime knows all about Konoha, Sandaime knows what Mange is i garuntee you, he would have killed Itachi with his experience and or sealed his ass with Shika Fuujin

[Mangekyou_Master]

That's a good theory, lotu. It makes sense.
And I also believe that Itachi had the power to kill Sandaime and obviously Fugaku knew about that. Now...um...I...I have to admit you were probably right when you said Fugaku knew about Itachi's mange.

I had always wondered why Sasuke was the only one that noticed Itachi's mangekyou sharingan. Fugaku also knowing about it makes sense.

[MartialHorror]

lol, so i guess you believe the part where Jiraiya said that rasengan is a jutsu more amazing than chidori? :amuse .

-Er, Yes and no. I think Rasengan in general is stronger than Chidori when faced with eachother. Keep in mind,I dont speak of Black Chidori. But I think they are = in general. One is meant for destroying things, and can kill people. One is meant for killing people, and can destroy things.

lol then you don't read the manga at all.
Itachi is not juts a genius, Itachi is the greater genius in history since they foundation of the academy.
Itachi is the shinibi that didn't need any help at all from his sensei.
Itachi reached the kage level shinobi by the age of 10/11 on his own, without a sannin or hokage as his sensei.
Itachi > Oro=Yondaime=Sandaime.

-*sigh* here we go again. For one, just because the Academy says he is the best they ever had doesnt mean he is the strongest person in the village, ect,ect,ect. it just means he is stronger than anyone at his age(Meaning a 12 year old Itachi>12 year old Yondaime) and the most talented.



We did see mutiple bodies in the same areas, meaning that he might took unit by unti
All people can attack at the same time, so they must take turns.
..-For one, it was night. Too, it isn't hard to kill bunches at a time if he catches them off guard.



lol, downplaying Itachi's achivement again?
So i guess Yondaime is nothing more than a pussy since he killed those mere 56 shinobis while they were distracted, tired, resting. What a pussy that guy is..

-You have no right to use that against me when I never even brought up Yondaime. And I dont say Yondaime is godly because of what he did. Good, yes. But I say the same thing about Itachi(Even if he killed everyone in their sleep. It would show amazing stealth skills). Yondaime I onyl say is good via his reputation. Itachi has shown to be the only one with a genjutsu that works, and has shown to be stronger than Jounin level and possibly kage level.


the Uchiha have all types of jutsus that you can imagine, since their specialty is copyiing jutsus from eveybody.
Kabuto didn't want to fight Kakahsi because he would ahve cop his jutsus, is only one of the reason why Zabusa said that's why the Uchiha were so feared, because they can adapt to anything and use any jutsus af if they were the true masters...

-Only a few had sharingan. According to the Prince of the Uchihas.


That's why they were planning, hence think forward.

Fugaku was obviously planning something siniters, but Itachi killed the whole clan before it was further revealed.

Itachi did had the power to kill Sandaine.

Itachi=KPF not anbu

although even Kakashi is in anbu with a sharingan, he still would get massacred by the KPF.

Oh, I agree Fugaku seemed to be planning something. But why would Itachi's success beign anbu have anything to do with that. Anbu are always away on missions and would have alot of trouble getting to Hokage. Also, Itachi was in both.

They said he was Anbu and KPF, which Fugaku claimed was stressing him out.

[Nighthawk]

Only a few had sharingan. According to the Prince of the Uchihas.

Oh, I agree Fugaku seemed to be planning something. But why would Itachi's success beign anbu have anything to do with that. Anbu are always away on missions and would have alot of trouble getting to Hokage. Also, Itachi was in both.

They said he was Anbu and KPF, which Fugaku claimed was stressing him out.

Of course the anbu were close to the hokage. They were directly under his command, they had meetings with him and even missions with the hokage.

lol prince of the uchihas

[Kakashi_Love]

Are you joking?

Itachi did not have the power to kill Sandaime...

Sandaime isnt a random Kage who wouldnt know anything about Itachi...

Sandaime knows all about Konoha, Sandaime knows what Mange is i garuntee you, he would have killed Itachi with his experience and or sealed his ass with Shika Fuujin

If Sandaime was that powerful he would of stop Itachi after he massacre his clan. I mean, Sandaime did have the crystalball, it's not like he didnt know what was going on.

[skmt999]

i would bet on Konoha Police. they are uchihas u know. the sharingan gives them advance. :sgan
NO!
KPD is not Uchiha!!!! They founded it, but it quickly became full of non Uchihas!
Even if the force was at one point over half Uchiha - NOT EVERY UCHIHA HAS/OR HAD SHARINGAN. Jeez.

I don't care if you vote KPD for your own reasons, but that statement was damn near invented to push my buttons.

[Mangekyou_Master]

If Sandaime was that powerful he would of stop Itachi after he massacre his clan. I mean, Sandaime did have the crystalball, it's not like he didnt know what was going on.

maybe sandaime was involved.

[Kamendex]

If Sandaime was that powerful he would of stop Itachi after he massacre his clan. I mean, Sandaime did have the crystalball, it's not like he didnt know what was going on.

Dont sit here and try to convince me that at 10 years old Itachi was the strongest person in Konoha...

It just doesnt work that way

Sandaime has only used the crystal to track Naruto, Uchiha clan was massacred in 1 night, not a week span for someone to notice

lol sorry but I won't dignify that with an answer. Your immature behavior, insulting language and neg rep is already proof of your defeat.

Look at that, now look at 2 private messages I got when I was away

Kamendex....you are the biggest DUMBASS the world has ever seen. Please don't reply, I don't want to hear from u ever again, you're so fucking stupid it hurts.
I've put you on ignore. So don't even bother replying. it won't get to me, you stupid fuck.


Now whos immature?

[Kakashi_Love]

Dont sit here and try to convince me that at 10 years old Itachi was the strongest person in Konoha...

It just doesnt work that way

Sandaime has only used the crystal to track Naruto, Uchiha clan was massacred in 1 night, not a week span for someone to notice

Let's just say that it was only after Yondaime's death that Itachi started to do whatever he wanted. Itachi > Oro > Sandaime.

[Kamendex]

Let's just say that it was only after Yondaime's death that Itachi started to do whatever he wanted. Itachi > Oro > Sandaime.

Sandaime was stronger then Oro when Yondaime died...

Sandaime was stronger then Oro when Itachi massacred his clan

[Kamendex]

Let's just say that it was only after Yondaime's death that Itachi started to do whatever he wanted. Itachi > Oro > Sandaime.

Sandaime was stronger then Oro when Yondaime died

Sandaime was stronger then Oro when Itachi massacred his family

[raijin]

Itachi=KPF not anbu
They said he was Anbu and KPF, which Fugaku claimed was stressing him out.
Itachi was never in the Konoha Keimu Butai (Military Police Force).

[Last of the Uchihas]

-Er, Yes and no. I think Rasengan in general is stronger than Chidori when faced with eachother. Keep in mind,I dont speak of Black Chidori. But I think they are = in general. One is meant for destroying things, and can kill people. One is meant for killing people, and can destroy things.

rasengan in general is not stronger than chidori since the two times it collided , they both created a stalemate.

If rasengan was stronger, rasengan would have won both times, yet it didn't.

chidori=rasengan.



-*sigh* here we go again. For one, just because the Academy says he is the best they ever had doesnt mean he is the strongest person in the village, ect,ect,ect. it just means he is stronger than anyone at his age(Meaning a 12 year old Itachi>12 year old Yondaime) and the most talented.

Itachi do this day is the most talented and the strongest shinobi that we have seen so far.



-For one, it was night. Too, it isn't hard to kill bunches at a time if he catches them off guard.

First of all, Itachi clearly stated that he wanted to test his strength.

he wouldn't have killed them in their sleep or off guard as you say since that went against hsi intentions.

Second of all, all the Uchihas were very aware that they were no to trust Itachi, so killing them off guard is out of the question.

This is just another attempt to downgrade Itachi's achivement next to nothing.




-You have no right to use that against me when I never even brought up Yondaime. And I dont say Yondaime is godly because of what he did. Good, yes. But I say the same thing about Itachi(Even if he killed everyone in their sleep. It would show amazing stealth skills). Yondaime I onyl say is good via his reputation. Itachi has shown to be the only one with a genjutsu that works, and has shown to be stronger than Jounin level and possibly kage level.

I have every right to bring Yondiame into this equation since you are implying that Itachi killed the Uchiha clan in their sleep and killing them of guard.

Which is pure bullshit since that went against his intention.

His intentions were to test his strength, not to cheat.

If you keep bribg that shit, i will just keep bringing Yondaime's shit even more.


-Only a few had sharingan. According to the Prince of the Uchihas.

yet all were considered geniuses, elite and superior, even the none sharingan user, something that you have beeing avoiding answering me.



Oh, I agree Fugaku seemed to be planning something. But why would Itachi's success beign anbu have anything to do with that. Anbu are always away on missions and would have alot of trouble getting to Hokage. Also, Itachi was in both.

By Itachi being with anbu, he could kill Sandaime more interference, since anbu is under the command of the Hokage.


They said he was Anbu and KPF, which Fugaku claimed was stressing him out.


Itachi is an Uchiha, and the heir of the clan aka KPF.

If anbu depends on Itachi to kill the KPF, that's the same shit as an KPF killing anohter KPF.

Anbu doesn't stand a chance against KPF.

[Kakashi_Love]

Sandaime was stronger then Oro when Yondaime died

Sandaime was stronger then Oro when Itachi massacred his family

Itachi was always stronger than Sandaime. He knew Sandaime was not at his level, that's why he left Konoha to test his skills somewhere else.
present Itachi > Oro w/arms during the destruction of Konoha > Sandaime during the destruction of Konoha.

[Kamendex]

Itachi was always stronger than Sandaime. He knew Sandaime was not at his level, that's why he left Konoha to test his skills somewhere else.

No, he did not leave Konoha to test his skills, thats what he told Sasuke when he massacred his clan...

at the time of the massacre which was like what 9-10-11 years ago, Sarutobi was stronger then Orochimaru, and Itachi for that matter

present Itachi > Oro w/arms during the destruction of Konoha > Sandaime during the destruction of Konoha.

I agree


Itachi is an Uchiha, and the heir of the clan aka KPF.

Bieng an Uchiha doesnt automatically make you part of the police force...

Obito wasnt part of the police force...

Itachi never wanted to be in the police force, he hates his clan, he wanted bigger things. He is not KPF...

[Last of the Uchihas]

Bieng an Uchiha doesnt automatically make you part of the police force...

It does since all of the Uchiha that were shown were in that department.


Obito wasnt part of the police force...

Obito was drop out, he clearly said it, which is why he didn't join the KPF.



Itachi never wanted to be in the police force.

He told Sasuke that he still haven't thought about it.


he hates his clan, he wanted bigger things. He is not KPF...


lol, he wanted bigger things, which is wh he obliterate the Uchha clan to test his strength, and decided not to test his strength on those pubk bitches of anbu that get killed by the dozens.

[Nighthawk]

Bieng an Uchiha doesnt automatically make you part of the police force...

Obito wasnt part of the police force...

Itachi never wanted to be in the police force, he hates his clan, he wanted bigger things. He is not KPF...

True.

Sasuke: "Are you gonna join KPF too"?
Itachi: "Maybe..."
Sasuke: "You should...someday I will join them too"
(Itachi thinking nope you won't.)

[Kamendex]

It does since all of the Uchiha that were shown were in that department.

No, not Obito, Itachi, or Sasuke...so obviously there you are wrong, and I never once saw Sasuke's mother in the police station



Obito was drop out, he clearly said it, which is why he didn't join the KPF.

Doesnt matter if he was a drop out, he still isnt in the KPF


He told Sasuke that he still haven't thought about it.

He was sparing his feelings, why would Itachi degrade himself and join a bunch of weak KPF.

He even said himself that the clan has become weak



lol, he wanted bigger things, which is wh he obliterate the Uchha clan to test his strength, and decided not to test his strength on those pubk bitches of anbu that get killed by the dozens.

I garuntee you attacking the Anbu wasnt one of his choices...

He wanted to test his pure ninja skill, to do that you need to fight someone who has Sharingan.

Think of it this way, will Neji ever know how strong he is without Byakugan if he doesnt fight Hiashi?

[Last of the Uchihas]

No, not Obito, Itachi, or Sasuke...so obviously there you are wrong, and I never once saw Sasuke's mother in the police station

Obito was a drop out,

Itachi was in anbu because he was needed to be a useful connection for him to kil Sandaime.

Sasuke never in the kpf because he was 6-7 years, which obviously, he didn't have the requirements.


and I never once saw Sasuke's mother in the police station

neither did we see Fugaku nor the three Uchiha police, but we do know they were part of it, just as Sasuke's mother was a jounin.




Doesnt matter if he was a drop out, he still isnt in the KPF

He is a drop out, whic is why he isn't in the KPF, because he is a drop out.



He was sparing his feelings, why would Itachi degrade himself and join a bunch of weak KPF.

He degraded himself to act the part of anbu, when in reality is was a plot to kill Sandaime.


He even said himself that the clan has become weak

Weak in the sense that they are satifaced with their strength, they were still the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all.

Anbu in the other hand, were some weak bitches that gets killed by the dozen, and they are only good at talking and controlling tigers. lol
pathetic.


I garuntee you attacking the Anbu wasnt one of his choices...

Because they were weal like hell, which is why he decided to kill the Uchiha clan, not anbu.


He wanted to test his pure ninja skill, to do that you need to fight someone who has Sharingan.

look above.


Think of it this way, will Neji ever know how strong he is without Byakugan if he doesnt fight Hiashi?

Nope, he wanted to test his strength not his sharingan.

He wanted to test his strength against the Uchiha clan since they were more powerful.

[Nighthawk]

Lotu, take a look at the poll. Anbu > Uchiha Police.

[Kamendex]

Obito was a drop out,

Itachi was in anbu because he was needed to be a useful connection for him to kil Sandaime.

Sasuke never in the kpf because he was 6-7 years, which obviously, he didn't have the requirements.



neither did we see Fugaku nor the three Uchiha police, but we do know they were part of it, just as Sasuke's mother was a jounin.





He is a drop out, whic is why he isn't in the KPF, because he is a drop out.




He degraded himself to act the part of anbu, when in reality is was a plot to kill Sandaime.



Weak in the sense that they are satifaced with their strength, they were still the strongest, feared and greatest clan of all.

Anbu in the other hand, were some weak bitches that gets killed by the dozen, and they are only good at talking and controlling tigers. lol
pathetic.



Because they were weal like hell, which is why he decided to kill the Uchiha clan, not anbu.



look above.



Nope, he wanted to test his strength not his sharingan.

He wanted to test his strength against the Uchiha clan since they were more powerful.



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OMFG OMFG OMFG


:cussing :cussing

:rofl :rofl :rofl


Dude HAHAHAHHHAHAHH

when I read your first excuse I nearly fell of my chair
AHAHHAHAHAHAHHA

I cant reply to this omfg ahahhah

[Last of the Uchihas]

Lotu, take a look at the poll. Anbu > Uchiha Police.


lol dude, any poll that has Uchiha, cursed seal, or anythng related tot he Uchiha will lose, and will win when it comes to cheap/cheat/overpowered/overrated.

[Kamendex]

You know why they do that?

because they like to piss of itachitards like you...

you know why they do that? because they hate people that only see things from the Uchiha point of view

just look at your weak arguement...

its based on your theories

the great sharingan itachi was plotting to kill Sandiame so he killed his clan and went to Akatsuki theory

[Last of the Uchihas]

Who said that it was Itachi?

It was Fugaku, not Itachi, hence why he said that he cant control Itachi.

Mikoto would pwned Nidaime's sorry ass back to the grave again.

[Kamendex]

Mikoto would pwned Nidaime's sorry ass back to the grave again.

hhahahah your a joke now, look what you've ended up saying.

Just trying to get me jazzed up again arent you ahahhah

Your not worthy :cool

brb im gonna get some pineapple :huh

[Nighthawk]

Who said that it was Itachi?

It was Fugaku, not Itachi, hence why he said that he cant control Itachi.

Of course. And it would explain the secret meetings.

Mikoto would pwned Nidaime's sorry ass back to the grave again.

True.

[Kamendex]

LOTU u dont want to end up like Nighthawk

He put nidaime down

said im immature for flaming

then he told on me like a lil kid

got in more trouble then i did

I stopped flaming

he started flaming

Said he will ignore me in a pm

pm flamed me

then wanted a truce hahaha

now look at him, I thought i was ignored

[MartialHorror]

rasengan in general is not stronger than chidori since the two times it collided , they both created a stalemate.

If rasengan was stronger, rasengan would have won both times, yet it didn't.

chidori=rasengan..

-It's because Sasuke>Naruto when they clashed before K2 and CS got involved. ALso, Sasuke has had more time to practice Chidori while Naruto hasnt had Rasengan long at all. Black Chidori might be stronger than Rasengen in general.





First of all, Itachi clearly stated that he wanted to test his strength.
he wouldn't have killed them in their sleep or off guard as you say since that went against hsi intentions.
Second of all, all the Uchihas were very aware that they were no to trust Itachi, so killing them off guard is out of the question.
This is just another attempt to downgrade Itachi's achivement next to nothing. .

-So you are saying the Uchihas stayed awake all night waiting for Itachi to come kill him? And as I said, to kill an entire clan(for a shinobi) even if everyone was asleap would show incredible stealth skills and would take someone who is a very good ninja to pull off.



I have every right to bring Yondiame into this equation since you are implying that Itachi killed the Uchiha clan in their sleep and killing them of guard.
Which is pure bullshit since that went against his intention.
His intentions were to test his strength, not to cheat.
If you keep bribg that shit, i will just keep bringing Yondaime's shit even more..

-Go ahead. Im not a Yondaimetard claiming he is godly like you are doing with Itachi.

yet all were considered geniuses, elite and superior, even the none sharingan user, something that you have beeing avoiding answering me..
- I have not been avoiding. I have never said the Uchihas were not strong and agree for the most part. As a clan, they are the strongest. But I doubt every individual was like that.

Obito is proof. Therefore, not ALL of the Uchihas are geniuses. Same thing with every other clan.



By Itachi being with anbu, he could kill Sandaime more interference, since anbu is under the command of the Hokage..

-That still doesnt make sense considering Anbu are usually going to be away. Also, when have we seen Sandaime with an anbu........................seriously, I can only think of him being seen with Raidoh, Anko, and the Jounin and Iruka.


Itachi is an Uchiha, and the heir of the clan aka KPF.
If anbu depends on Itachi to kill the KPF, that's the same shit as an KPF killing anohter KPF.

Anbu doesn't stand a chance against KPF.

-you do realize Anbu is basically the military of Kohona right? As someone said, all the KPF is as it is called, a police force. One clan wont be able to defeat an army made of up many clans and others. Itachi thought the Uchihas 'focus on the clan' was its weakness. Itachi wouldnt agree with you.

If a poll of all of Lotu's votes were calculated. Every single one with Uchiha, Sasuke or Itachi would be his vote. With all due respect, you are the most biased person on this board. You can say the same for me,

but my opinion on Itachi's strength has varied, same with Sasuke, same with the Uchihas. That is being opened minded.

Not to mention, didn't you say that one of the reasons Itachi ran was after stupidly using high class jutsus when necessary was because anbu would be on his ass?

btw, I might not be able to post alot tonight....

[Kamendex]

You got him good in the last few paragraphs.

The sentance before the last was a niiiice touch :D

Also, didnt Itachi and Kisame run from their first encounter with the jounin because

Gai CALLED THE ANBU!

[Hef]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that Uchiha clan does not equal the KDP and that the KDP does not equal the Uchiha clan.
The two are connected, yes, but they are not the same thing. Not in theory nor in practice. The Uchihas helped to found the KDP, which is why they took a part of the Uchiha clan's symbol into theirs.
Not everyone in the KDP were Uchihas. Not everyone in the Uchiha clan were in the KDP. Not everyone in the Uchiha clan had Sharingan. Not every Uchiha in the KDP had Sharingan. Only the first subdivision of the KDP contained many members of the Uchihas. And that is it. The KDP is not the Uchiha clan.
End of story.

[Last of the Uchihas]

You got him good in the last few paragraphs.

The sentance before the last was a niiiice touch :D

Also, didnt Itachi and Kisame run from their first encounter with the jounin because

Gai CALLED THE ANBU!


Didn't Itachi said that he didn't want to start a war, that he would have given them war if he wanted to? Meaning obliterating all those pussies to the moon and back?

lol


Why is it so hard for people to understand that Uchiha clan does not equal the KDP and that the KDP does not equal the Uchiha clan.
The two are connected, yes, but they are not the same thing. Not in theory nor in practice. The Uchihas helped to found the KDP, which is why they took a part of the Uchiha clan's symbol into theirs.
Not everyone in the KDP were Uchihas. Not everyone in the Uchiha clan were in the KDP. Not everyone in the Uchiha clan had Sharingan. Not every Uchiha in the KDP had Sharingan. Only the first subdivision of the KDP contained many members of the Uchihas. And that is it. The KDP is not the Uchiha clan.
End of story.



The KPF is the Uchiha clan

Go to the translation thread where NJT just translated that part.

Here is his confirmation.


Yes, the first division of the KPF(police forces generally have divisions right?). And only the l337 members belong to the first group which are almost entirely all Uchiha clan members.


KPF=Uchiha clan.

Uchiha clan> anbu


-It's because Sasuke>Naruto when they clashed before K2 and CS got involved.

False, since Kyuubi has increased Naruto's chakra capacity.

More chakra more power.

Both jutsus are equal, is both shinobi are equal.


ALso, Sasuke has had more time to practice Chidori while Naruto hasnt had Rasengan long at all.

Bullshit.

Sasuke in only two weeks not ony had to Learn Lee's combo (speed + taujutsu) but also chidorri.

Which means that Sasuke did the impossible, byLearning things that takes years to master.

So Sasuke basically had juts a couple of days to laern chidpri, since the main training was speed an dtaijutsu in order for Sasuek to pull off chidori.

After that,Sasuke spent a whole month in a come and even then chidori was equal to Naruto, not to mention that he still kicked Naruto's ass after waking up from a come.

naruto onthe other hand was practicing rasengan for a whole month, and wasn't in any coma like Sasuke.

So stop making silly excuses.



Black Chidori might be stronger than Rasengen in general.


normal chidori=normla ransegan
Black chidori=uber rasengan




-So you are saying the Uchihas stayed awake all night waiting for Itachi to come kill him? And as I said, to kill an entire clan(for a shinobi) even if everyone was asleap would show incredible stealth skills and would take someone who is a very good ninja to pull off.

Again, Itachi wanted to test his strength, and it wasn't that late as you think. I tmight have been 8 or 9 pm or at whatever time the sun came down, from could be even earlier, and proof of this is Sasuke, a 7 years old boy, who problalby had a curfew, so he wouldn't arrive at his house no more than 8-9 pm.

Itachi clearly stated that he wante dto test his strength, and he wouldn't do it by killing then Uchiha clan in their sleep since the manga shows otherwise, since they were multiple bodies, blood everywhere and destruction of property.

Saying that Itachi killing them in their sleep, is one of many cheap attemps to downgrade his achivements.




-Go ahead. Im not a Yondaimetard claiming he is godly like you are doing with Itachi.

read above.


- I have not been avoiding. I have never said the Uchihas were not strong and agree for the most part. As a clan, they are the strongest. But I doubt every individual was like that. [quote]

Alll individual were like that, since it was stated that they all were like that, superior, elite and geniuses.

[quote[
Obito is proof. Therefore, not ALL of the Uchihas are geniuses. Same thing with every other clan.

Obito was the exception as he said and as Kakashi said, which is the reaon, Obito wasn't in the KPF.

Look at Hinata, she was a loser like Obito and kciked out of the Hyuuga clan, becasue she was a loser.Do you read the manga at all?



Samething with Obito.

Noticed that Hiashi later on takes neji as his disciple, becasue he wasn't a loser like Hinata.



-That still doesnt make sense considering Anbu are usually going to be away. Also, when have we seen Sandaime with an anbu........................seriously, I can only think of him being seen with Raidoh, Anko, and the Jounin and Iruka.

LOL,

Do you even read the manga?

Didn't you see that Sandaime had two anbus with him, when he went after Oro in the flashback?

lol



-you do realize Anbu is basically the military of Kohona right? As someone said, all the KPF is as it is called, a police force. One clan wont be able to defeat an army made of up many clans and others. Itachi thought the Uchihas 'focus on the clan' was its weakness. Itachi wouldnt agree with you.

Uchiha clan aka KPF > Anbu, they weren't known as the strongest, feared and greatets of all clans for nothing, not to mention that all member were geniuses, elite and superior.

The KPF were the protector of the Village, not of their clan, but the whole village.


If a poll of all of Lotu's votes were calculated. Every single one with Uchiha, Sasuke or Itachi would be his vote. With all due respect, you are the most biased person on this board. You can say the same for me,

lo, the most biased person here are the Naruto/Jiraiya/Yondaime fanboys, which have nothing better to do than overrrated those worthless hinobi, and downgrade all Uchiha right next to something.


but my opinion on Itachi's strength has varied, same with Sasuke, same with the Uchihas. That is being opened minded.
lol, yeah right.



Not to mention, didn't you say that one of the reasons Itachi ran was after stupidly using high class jutsus when necessary was because anbu would be on his ass?

Lol, did you forgot what he said?

he said that he didn't wanted to star a war, meaning that he could gave them war, and kill of all anbu a,d those 4 jounins. Read read the chapter again.

[Hef]

Go to the translation thread where NJT just translated that part.
I'm not going anywhere. I don't know anything of a "translation thread"
You should provide a link if you are going to prove something wrong by saying "go here and do this and that"

[Last of the Uchihas]

Lazy ass, maybe is because you don't want to find out the real truth. Here is the link


http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=23799&page=16

[Hef]

I seriously don't understand how that proves your point that the KPF equals the Uchiha clan. It only proves that there were Uchihas in the first division.
which are almost entirely all Uchiha clan members.

There goes your "all Ucihas are in KPF" down the drain. That evidence does no harm to me, since I never said anything against it.
You just proved yourself wrong my dear. :)

[Last of the Uchihas]

I seriously don't understand how that proves your point that the KPF equals the Uchiha clan. It only proves that there were Uchihas in the first division.


There goes your "all Ucihas are in KPF" down the drain. That evidence does no harm to me, since I never said anything against it.
You just proved yourself wrong my dear. :)

Nope, since almost the entire Uchiha clan is in the KPD, which is more than enough to make short work out of anbu.

[Kamendex]

Nope, cause Sasuke's mom isnt

[Aman]

First: The ANBU are probably more then the Uchiha's. Second: The ANBU's are around special jounin level while it seems that the strongest of the uchiha's are that level (except Fugaku and his wife).

[Shidoshi]

First: The ANBU are probably more then the Uchiha's. Second: The ANBU's are around special jounin level while it seems that the strongest of the uchiha's are that level (except Fugaku and his wife).That doesn't make any sense. Are you trying to say "more powerful", "more in number", "more involved"...what? As far as your second point, ANBU Captains are around that level...not the other squad members. They're picked as Chuunin, like Itachi was.

Ok, let's get things straight:

First, all this bickering does nothing to prove any points. There's a lot of immaturity going around, not just from LotU, but from everyone else who's "siding" against him.

Second, as I said before, the ANBU are mostly chosen at the Chuunin rank/level on average, as Itachi was. ANBU Captains are the Special Jounin/Jounin level. Let's get that straightened out. Itachi wasn't a normal ANBU when he killed his clan, he was an ANBU Captain. The known reason that Fugaku was so proud of Itachi is because Itachi, at his young age, was responsible for Uchiha getting more praise as one of the greatest clans in Konoha. I say "known", because even though I might not agree with LotU's methods of debating, he's been uncanny with some of his predictions...he was the first one to say that Kakashi got his sharingan from Obito, a prediction, no doubt, but one that proved to be the right guess. He's made other guesses that turned out to be true, or quite close to it as well. Though he sometimes takes certain things out of context and overexaggerates sometimes, I'll still say that his prediction about Fugaku's joy over Itachi's ANBU (Captain) placement might (and this is a strong "might") not be incorrect. We'll just have to wait and see what pops up as the story progresses.

Third, like it or not, Itachi had thought about joining the KPF while still in the freaking ANBU, which leads me to believe that the KPF's First Division (which Itachi would be placed in), much like the ANBU Captain, are at another level than the rest of their special group. And that though neither group outranks the other, the fact that an ANBU member would think about joining another organization after his duties were through says something. Hell, even seven year old Sasuke aimed to join that group. That might also be the reason that not every Uchiha with sharingan (Sasuke and Obito) weren't in the KPD...because they weren't old enough or ranked high enough. Sasuke was still in the Academy. Obito was a Chuunin (which, incidentally, is the rank that most non-captain ANBU are chosen) and still not in the KPF.

KPF don't only police civilian, but also the ninja in the regular military (Genin, Chuunin, and Jounin), so they have to be able to physically enforce it as well, since we are talking about a ninja military here. Does that mean that taken as a group (independent of the individual strength of the members) that ANBU are outranked by KPF? No. Neither outranks the other. It's like the difference between NAVY SEALs and the military Special Ops or the Military Police. They're outside the normal heirarchy of the military. ANBU and KPF are jobs, not ranks.

Fourth, This shit between Kisame and Nidaime is ridiculous. However, Kamendex, one of the first arguments you tried to use against me when I argued that since "Kisame is from the Water Country, he'd probably have a greater mastery of Suiton jutsu than a Kage from the Fire Country", you used Kisame's jutsu getting cancelled out by Kakashi and Nidaime creating water from nowhere as "proof". I believe you used the colorful exaggeration of "Nidaime pisses waterfalls"...which was pretty funny, actually; however, we've seen Kisame vomit a freakin' sea...creating water out of nowhere in that same fashion...after having used Shouten no Jutsu that cut his chakra down to just 30%, and splitting his chakra using the Mizu bunshin with using the water prison on three Chuunin/Jounin. That's a lot of ways to split one's chakra and still force Gai to open his gates.

I'm sorry, but I haven't seen anything that makes me believe that since Nidaime was the best ninja of his time, that his Suiton jutsu would compete against a ninja from the water country that's shown so much more. Yeah, Nidaime was a zombie, but he didn't seem to have any limits to his chakra, as he'd keep coming back from being decimated fresh as a daisy.

Fifth, you all have to decide what this is a battle of, whether it's the Uchiha versus the ANBU, or ANBU versus KPF, or KPF versus Itachi, or Itachi versus the Uchiha. Saying that since Itachi was ANBU captain at the time of Uchiha's death meaning that ANBU > KPF is not accurate. If Itachi were on the KPF, ">" would turn to "<".

If you're going to say that "ANBU > Uchiha", you can't count Itachi, because Itachi is Uchiha, so he'd be counted on his genetic side, in which case, if Kabuto were able to decimate two squads, Itachi would probably take on the entire organization with the rest of the Uchiha.

Also, saying that Kakashi would be able to do the same thing Itachi did is so unknowable. At the time, I'd doubt Kakashi would be able to take on Itachi's parents, let alone the rest of the Uchiha.

As far as how Itachi took care of the Uchiha, let's look at what happened: Sasuke returns late (late for him, that is)...yes, it was night...but he also knew something was wrong when he didn't see any lights because it was still to early for people to be asleep. So that debunks the theory that Itachi "killed them in their sleep". As far as catching the clan by surprise...that might account for the first two kills, but Itachi was suspected and approached by the Uchiha for Shisui's death, and had told him that he wouldn't be able to get away with anything.

In a clan full of geniuses, a greater genius can do a lot. Did any of you ever stop to think that Itachi's genius is also counted in "Uchiha's genius", since...I don't know...he is a fucking Uchiha?

The Hyuuga are called geniuses too, and Neji, who arguably inherited more Hyuuga talent than anyone else, will probably be the strongest when he's fully grown, thereby adding to the total "Hyuuga genius" factor. It's the same thing with Itachi and the Uchiha...as well as Shisui...

So, in conclusion, as an idea or group, ANBU don't outrank KPF nor do KPF outrank ANBU.

As far as which group would win if each fought the other...well...that'd depend on the members in each group, wouldn't it?

Itachi murdering his clan like he did would probably not be able to be done by anyone else in ANBU.

[Gambitz]

BUMP

ill go with Anbu..The Konoha Police didint seem to be that strong to me...

[Veil of Dreams]

ANBU. They look cooler, anyway. :P

[Cabbage Cabrera]

anbu wins...they are specifically trained to take on high level nin.

[Lonely Soul]

The Anbu. :)