Kenpachi's Zanpakutou

[silleung]

Kenpachi is pretty cool, you have to admit. He even gives free hits. But with his seriously huge amounts of spirit force (why don't they call it karma, chi or chakra, it has to be one of them right) think how powerful it would be. i bet it'd be alot bigger than ichigo's that for sure. he'd be one badass mofo if he listened to his zambakto. i say it'd look something along the lines of the shichisto sword (tenchu wrath of heaven.)

[Haruka]

It's called Reiatsu. And it's Zanpakuto.

[Insipidipity]

It's called Reiatsu. And it's Zanpakuto.
Actually people usually spell it Zanpaktou :P

And yes, we all know that it would be badass...I've heard countless people tell me how they wish he would release it. Sorry but its not new news

[Sayo]

chakra
:S



It's called Reiatsu. And it's Zanpakuto.

Actually people usually spell it Zanpaktou

actually it's banana

[Haruka]

:S






actually it's banana
Oh yeah... I forgot that.

[Insipidipity]

Everytime they say Reiatsu in Bleach, replace it with the word Banana and see how that comes out.

Anyways, Kenpachi might have a nice sword he might not though. Theres nothing that seems to dictate how cool your shikai is or what it does. For all we know, his shikai could just be a banana peel that he throws to trip people

[Tsukiyomi]

I doubt his full power is beyond Ichigo's full power, Kenpachi has possibly thousands of years of training and experience with calling forth his power, Ichigo has what, a few days?

Ichigo's base power long before his sword manifested its true form was great enough to take down a menos grande, a feat Rukia said no lone shinigami could do.

As for Kenpachi's Shikai, I imagine a scythe type weapon.

[TheMexicanKingVII]

I imagine his sword would be something like ( this might b e hard to explain)

I think his sword would actually not change that much but the ability to sprout other swords out of it. I always thought that would be kick ass.

His Ban Ki would probably be like i don't know.

[Shishou]

I have come to a theory that because Soul Society's time is much faster, that it takes much longer to improve.

So you improve much faster in the real world, than you do in SS...


Anyways, Ichigo's power alone couldn't even manage to scratch Kenpachi with his eyepatch on. I say this because, even when he did manage to scratch Kenpachi, he was still using a bit of his sword's power. So I would say the first time was his own power.


So regardless if Kenpachi has a weak Shikai or not, any little boost is insane.

[Tsukiyomi]

I say this because, even when he did manage to scratch Kenpachi, he was still using a bit of his sword's power. So I would say the first time was his own power.


Its true this is his own power because he hadn't started to use Zangetsu's, but remember, Ichigo by his own admission doesn't know how to call upon his power. Remember when the Menos showed up? He thought his power was on full blast all the time when in reality he was at his absolute weakest, and when his power did turn on he didn't know how to turn it off.

And looking at the most recent chapter, he still can't control it because he couldn't stop his power from attracting hollows.

So even though it was technically his real power, it was anywhere near his true power, if he whipped that out in addition to using Zangetsu, he would have blown Kenpachi into oblivion.

[monk3]

dont people also spell it zanpakutou?

[Kasuke Sadiki]

Ichigo didn't 'take down' a Menos Grande per se, he just wounded it. And what Rukia said about no lone shinigami being able to stop one always bothered me. Surely most of the captains would be able to take one down, so maybe she meant no normal shinigami. Either that or the power Ichigo released that day pwns every other shinigami ever (but if so, then wouldn't the others have all been injured from his high reiatsu?) So many questions...

[Insipidipity]

Ichigo didn't 'take down' a Menos Grande per se, he just wounded it. And what Rukia said about no lone shinigami being able to stop one always bothered me. Surely most of the captains would be able to take one down, so maybe she meant no normal shinigami. Either that or the power Ichigo released that day pwns every other shinigami ever (but if so, then wouldn't the others have all been injured from his high reiatsu?) So many questions...
Not necessarily, because Ichigo turns it almost off and yet it flows into everyone. And it doesnt have much killer intent in it. But it was high enough to disrupt Rukia's senses.

The power Ichigo released MIGHT just pwn every other. Remember that he only released it due to the stimulus of the Cero being fired. Most captains have just been wearing him down, this was basically a huge beam that said Counter or Die, so he countered it.

With Zangetsu's additional reiatsu and the one he had that day, if Ishida touched him with that glove, his bow would be bigger than a building I bet.

[Kasuke Sadiki]

^Ha, ok I can live with that. On another note, I wonder If we'll ever see Kenpachi release his soul slayer.

[Insipidipity]

^Ha, ok I can live with that. On another note, I wonder If we'll ever see Kenpachi release his soul slayer.
Dude...thats the entire topic of this thread...

[Powerman]

I would imagine that the sword would just look normal in the inial state, ya know all the nicks and dents in it are fixed and it looks nice.

I don't think he needs a Ban Ki ... EVER

[Gaaravision]

Kenpachi's Ban Kai will summon a gigantic version of Zoro from One Piece.

I speak truth.

[Gooba]

A while ago, I forget where, it was detemined that his Shikai is a Chainsaw, and his Bankai is just Bruce Campbell with a chainsaw arm, who just pwns.

[superman_1]

his shikai will be pirate's hook and since he has the eyepatch to go along with it...he will be a perfect pirate with the addition of his hook as his shikai.....YARRRRRRRR........ hehehehehehehehehe

hmmmm...... ok time to be serious........

he will have shikai and ban kai in future....just when ....we dont know.... just cant wait to see the day he will release it.....

[RaitoRyuukashin]

I Thought axe at first but since, But scythe is much better. A scythe and a grim reaper. I would think the scythe abilty would be a mouth on it that sucks a certain amount of energy from Kenpachi that allows it to suck that same amount from the opponent.

For Bankai his Scythe loses the mouth and Kenpachi loses his eye patch and bells and dons a Grim Reaper outfit. His new bankai allows him to become intangible to physical attacks. And only energy attacks that exceed the amount of spirit energy that his Zankpatou contains from absorbing while in shikai can actually harm him.

[Shishou]

Umm... Are you guys forgetting his sword is always in Shikai? Much like Ichigo's always is?

So his sword how it looks now, if he learned its name, and learned to use it's power, would look the same, but would add it's own power to his. His Bankai is the only thing that could be different.


It would probably have something to do with Speed... Or Spiritual Energy being able to be thrown from his blade.

[Insipidipity]

Umm... Are you guys forgetting his sword is always in Shikai? Much like Ichigo's always is?

So his sword how it looks now, if he learned its name, and learned to use it's power, would look the same, but would add it's own power to his. His Bankai is the only thing that could be different.


It would probably have something to do with Speed... Or Spiritual Energy being able to be thrown from his blade.
I think he was wrong. He didn't even know it had a name, yet it does. So he probably assumed it must've always been in its highest state, like Ichigo did. Ichigo with all that power surging through him against the Menos still kept it sealed.

[sayam]

but it's probobly true that kenpachi's zanpaktou is always in shikai form, cus he said that he couldn't seal it, and sealed zanpaktou's often look like an ordinary katana.
he doesn't know the name of it just like ichigo didn't knew the name of his. but it was always in shikai. So that means that kenpachi haven't even used his zanpaktou's shikai ability or even used it to it's full potential. And that is because he doesn't know how.

[Insipidipity]

but it's probobly true that kenpachi's zanpaktou is always in shikai form, cus he said that he couldn't seal it, and sealed zanpaktou's often look like an ordinary katana.
he doesn't know the name of it just like ichigo didn't knew the name of his. but it was always in shikai. So that means that kenpachi haven't even used his zanpaktou's shikai ability or even used it to it's full potential. And that is because he doesn't know how.
Um...Ichigo's WASNT always in shikai when he first got it. It only became Shikai permanently after he learned the name, Kenpachi NEVER learned the name. Kenpachi's zanpaktou is always in sealed form because it does look like an ordinary Katana and he just assumed he couldn't seal it.

[Shishou]

And Ichigo's sealed blade was huge, but looked exactly like a normal katana.

Which was explained to reflect his spiritual power. Because he couldn't surpress it, his sword was overly big.



And there is no saying you need to know your sword's name to release it. Kenpachi's sword is nearly as long as him, and has ridges on it's blade. There is no way thats a sealed sword. A Sealed sword would easily break if he swung it with his power.

We do know Kenpachi can surpress his spiritual energy, but the fact still remains, he can seal his sword. Juss like Ichigo can't. Ichigo uses it's power, plus he knows it's name. Yet he isn't capable of sealing it.


Kenpachi said his sword was released, and there is no reason not to believe him. If it looked like a sealed sword, by all means we could think it isn't in released form. But it doesn't. So quite simply, it is in it's released form, but gives him no power. It juss has released form durability.

[Uchiha_Sasuke_12]

whoa, that's a pretty intense idea michael.

[Insipidipity]

And Ichigo's sealed blade was huge, but looked exactly like a normal katana.

Which was explained to reflect his spiritual power. Because he couldn't surpress it, his sword was overly big.

And there is no saying you need to know your sword's name to release it. Kenpachi's sword is nearly as long as him, and has ridges on it's blade. There is no way thats a sealed sword. A Sealed sword would easily break if he swung it with his power.

We do know Kenpachi can surpress his spiritual energy, but the fact still remains, he can seal his sword. Juss like Ichigo can't. Ichigo uses it's power, plus he knows it's name. Yet he isn't capable of sealing it.

Kenpachi said his sword was released, and there is no reason not to believe him. If it looked like a sealed sword, by all means we could think it isn't in released form. But it doesn't. So quite simply, it is in it's released form, but gives him no power. It juss has released form durability.
Theres variations in Zanpaktou, but they all look like swords. Kenpachi's looks like a sword. Gin looks like a wakazashi, etc.

Kenpachi's sword doesn't break because it still has all his power in it. Just like Ichigo's sword didn't break when he fought the Menos.

Kenpachi said his sword was released based off the fact that he never heard it. The fact that he couldn't hear his sword and that he said "my sword doesn't have a name" both give very good credence to the belief that he doesn't know jack about his sword.

[Zun Liako]

Kenpachi's Ban Kai will summon a gigantic version of Zoro from One Piece.

I speak truth.

Yes. That is all.

[voltaicbore03]

I'm not so sure that Kenpachi's zanpakuto (this spelling makes more sense to me, since "zanpaku" is soul and "to" is blade...just a better representation of the two parts of the word) is in Shikai state all the time. This hasn't been confirmed, but I think Kubo has designed the zanpakutos such that the fully sealed forms are compeltely metallic and the Shikai forms are half-metallic and half-black. That pattern holds true for just about every single zanpakuto we've seen so far (Zangetsu, Zabimaru, Hozukimaru, Wabisuke). I forget what Hinamori's looked like, and I have yet to look at all the manga chapters (just dl'ed 1-179, thanks to KnK :smile-big ).

[Insipidipity]

I'm not so sure that Kenpachi's zanpakuto (this spelling makes more sense to me, since "zanpaku" is soul and "to" is blade...just a better representation of the two parts of the word) is in Shikai state all the time. This hasn't been confirmed, but I think Kubo has designed the zanpakutos such that the fully sealed forms are compeltely metallic and the Shikai forms are half-metallic and half-black. That pattern holds true for just about every single zanpakuto we've seen so far (Zangetsu, Zabimaru, Hozukimaru, Wabisuke). I forget what Hinamori's looked like, and I have yet to look at all the manga chapters (just dl'ed 1-179, thanks to KnK :smile-big ).
Yea I noticed that too. Color does seem to be an interesting measure of the weapon.

[Zaraki]

A scythe and a grim reaper

I agree, when he goes Ban Kai it would be kickass if he was dressed all in Black with none of his 'disadvantages', with like a reapers hood not up, but just resting on his back. And maybe for his final stage he could summon the souls of all of the people he has vanquished in the past ?!?! I think that would kick ass, what do U guys think ?

[Insipidipity]

Seems too much like that Hades move in God of War or Shang Tsung's. But overall it kinda fits him.

[AmazinG]

I think it be pretty sweet if for his ban kai his zanpakutou turned into a keychain pocket knife.... *cricket* *cricket* :blink

No but seriously i think it would be fitting if he had a giant sword of some kind, much bigger than Ichigo's for his ban kai.

[RaitoRyuukashin]

I think it be pretty sweet if for his ban kai his zanpakutou turned into a keychain pocket knife.... *cricket* *cricket*

Reminds me of Milhawk

[superman_1]

one question about kenpachi's zanpakuto that keeps coming in my mind is wats its name..... and the only name that comes to my mind is yachiru for some reason.... dont know if other ppl have same thoughts or not.... but to me his zanpakuto's name might be yachiru..... even in that episode about his past when he meets baby yachiru for first time he gives her the name yachiru and says this was the only name he liked or had in mind or something like that...etc.............. dont know if this theory is old or not.....

[Insipidipity]

I think it be pretty sweet if for his ban kai his zanpakutou turned into a keychain pocket knife.... *cricket* *cricket* :blink

No but seriously i think it would be fitting if he had a giant sword of some kind, much bigger than Ichigo's for his ban kai.
Actually I agree, I always thought a badass would use a pocket knife as a zanpaktou. TAKE THAT HOLLOW!

[Shishou]

Theres variations in Zanpaktou, but they all look like swords. Kenpachi's looks like a sword. Gin looks like a wakazashi, etc.

Kenpachi's sword doesn't break because it still has all his power in it. Just like Ichigo's sword didn't break when he fought the Menos.

Kenpachi said his sword was released based off the fact that he never heard it. The fact that he couldn't hear his sword and that he said "my sword doesn't have a name" both give very good credence to the belief that he doesn't know jack about his sword.

Then explain this. When he was fighting Ichigo, Zangetsu asked if Ichigo could hear the crys of his sword. Ichigo could hear, but Kenpachi could not. When a sword is sealed, it is not much more than a normal sword, and it has to be released to even allow the sword to show any power.


Also, the normal sword's size, supposeably reflects their spiritual power when not sealed. As we saw that Ichigo's original sword was huge. So the ones who have tiny little swords in sealed forms, may simply not have a big spiritual power, or can hide it much better. All the sealed swords look the same, but their size is different.

While Kenpachi's sword is very long and thin, and has ridges all up side the blade. That isn't normal. No other sealed sword has some special look to it's blade. The only changes are the lengths, and sometimes girth of the sword.

Because Kenpachi does not use his sword's power, there is no difference between it being sealed and it being released, in theory. So he is the only one who can carry around an unsealed sword.


And I doubt they would have Kenpachi mention that his sword is always released, like Ichigo's, if it was actually sealed. It would make more sense for him not to mention it, if he was indeed to release his sword later on.

And there is no reason for it to be sealed anyways! Like I said, his sword gives him no power. So if it is sealed up, it will juss look lame, but not be much less effective than his sword released. A released sword means nothing more than a tool for slashing, if you don't use it's power.

[Insipidipity]

Then explain this. When he was fighting Ichigo, Zangetsu asked if Ichigo could hear the crys of his sword. Ichigo could hear, but Kenpachi could not. When a sword is sealed, it is not much more than a normal sword, and it has to be released to even allow the sword to show any power.

Also, the normal sword's size, supposeably reflects their spiritual power when not sealed. As we saw that Ichigo's original sword was huge. So the ones who have tiny little swords in sealed forms, may simply not have a big spiritual power, or can hide it much better. All the sealed swords look the same, but their size is different.

While Kenpachi's sword is very long and thin, and has ridges all up side the blade. That isn't normal. No other sealed sword has some special look to it's blade. The only changes are the lengths, and sometimes girth of the sword.

Because Kenpachi does not use his sword's power, there is no difference between it being sealed and it being released, in theory. So he is the only one who can carry around an unsealed sword.


And I doubt they would have Kenpachi mention that his sword is always released, like Ichigo's, if it was actually sealed. It would make more sense for him not to mention it, if he was indeed to release his sword later on.

And there is no reason for it to be sealed anyways! Like I said, his sword gives him no power. So if it is sealed up, it will juss look lame, but not be much less effective than his sword released. A released sword means nothing more than a tool for slashing, if you don't use it's power.
Ichigo could hear the sword because he's listening to it. Kenpachi couldn't hear the sword, hence why he couldn't hear the name. A sealed sword can cry/talk. Thats how Renji and every other shinigami can release their sword, by learning their name.

You're saying a few ridges is the difference between sealed and unsealed? Ever consider its the scratches from battle? Byakuga broke Ichigo's sword, and Kenpachi said to drop the rust off his, so who's to say that the one who loves fighting the most didn't have one side of his blade cut up.

They had Kenpachi mention his sword is always released as a plot device to make Ichigo think he had an advantage. They're not going to have someone like Kenpachi say "I can't hear my sword". Because then Ichigo would think it could still get stronger like his could. This quote had 2 effects, it made Ichigo think his sword was in its strongest form, and it showed that Kenpachi is not good shinigami wise, just an insane fighter. He can't sense spirit power and he can't hear his sword. He doesn't fight with his sword so theres no reason for it to be released. It can't be that he has too much power to seal it because Ichigo almost died from a surge of his own spirit power and it didn't release his own zanpakto

[Powerman]

I'm faily certain his sword looks the way it does because over time chunks have come out of the blade. It's been used to much it's no surprise it's started taking damage.

For some reason I don't think his sword can heal like we witnessed with... Wow my mind went blank.... Renji!

One of Kenpachi's greatest traits is that he's one of the strongest people in the Bleach universe, yet unlike other captains he doesn't have Ban Kai and yet even without Ban Kai he can dominate other captains just from is battle experience.

[Insipidipity]

I'm faily certain his sword looks the way it does because over time chunks have come out of the blade. It's been used to much it's no surprise it's started taking damage.

Exactly, thats what I thought when I first saw it. We know a Shikai heals itself, but very rarely does a broken sealed form ever heal(even Ichigo's stayed broken)

[Insipidipity]

I'm faily certain his sword looks the way it does because over time chunks have come out of the blade. It's been used to much it's no surprise it's started taking damage.

Exactly, thats what I thought when I first saw it. We know a Shikai heals itself, but very rarely does a broken sealed form ever heal(even Ichigo's stayed broken)

[RaitoRyuukashin]

I'm faily certain his sword looks the way it does because over time chunks have come out of the blade. It's been used to much it's no surprise it's started taking damage.



I thought it was obivious he didnt even have Shikai.... That was the whole point of the fight.

[shadycheese]

dont u think ur imagination is running a little 2 wild?

[Powerman]

I thought it was obivious he didnt even have Shikai.... That was the whole point of the fight.

I brought that point out because it doesn't seem to many people are thinking about it like that.

[Shishou]

Exactly, thats what I thought when I first saw it. We know a Shikai heals itself, but very rarely does a broken sealed form ever heal(even Ichigo's stayed broken)

His sword was cut in half, and it healed. So chunks would heal too, but no, that is the shape of the sword. Plus ridges wouldn't be like that, because they were too smooth. His sword is almost like a saw.


The point of the fight, was to show that you can't fight with only your power alone. Both Ichigo and Kenpachi had swords that were released, but both didn't know how to use it's power. Ichigo could use it a little, but his sword's true power wasn't being used. Kenpachi on the other hand, thought it was stupid to use a sword's power with his own. And he was proven that you can't fight alone, and that to be strong, you need to use your sword's power as well as your own.



There is no way his sword isn't released. Ichigo's sword has been released, and simply by using it's power during his Kenpachi fight, you saw how much more powerful he became. While his sword was still released, and he was so weak, only knowing it's name. Kenpachi is the same way, if he simply learned to use his sword's power, he would be way stronger, but his sword is already released.

[Trebor]

It's obvious that the reason that his blade looks like a saw is because he fights constantly with it, not because it's shikai or whatever. Shisou, the entire point of the ragged edge is to show how much neglect Zaraki shows for his zanpakutou. He doesn't think of it as a zanpakutou, rather, he thinks of it as a sword. And that's why it's chipped and that's why it's NOT SHIKAI. To perform shikai, you MUST know the name of the sword. That's the reason why Zaraki had to ask his sword his name at the end of the battle (and failed). Of course, I've learned that some people don't change opinions no matter how much evidence and logic says so.

On to the next topic. It really annoys me that some people constantly say that Zaraki is the shit, and that with just Shikai (if he ever learns it) he will totally own most of the othe captains, and with Bankai, he will be god. From what conclusion do we draw this from? Most people say how powerful of a spriit force he emits. Do we just ignore how people also tremble under Byakluya and Yamamoto's spirit pressure too? Admittedly, he is damn powrful, taking on two captains at the same time and successfully dealing with a bankai. But still, I don't think that he is as powerful as Byakuya or Yamamoto, or ever will be.

[Insipidipity]

The point of the fight, was to show that you can't fight with only your power alone. Both Ichigo and Kenpachi had swords that were released, but both didn't know how to use it's power. Ichigo could use it a little, but his sword's true power wasn't being used. Kenpachi on the other hand, thought it was stupid to use a sword's power with his own. And he was proven that you can't fight alone, and that to be strong, you need to use your sword's power as well as your own.

There is no way his sword isn't released. Ichigo's sword has been released, and simply by using it's power during his Kenpachi fight, you saw how much more powerful he became. While his sword was still released, and he was so weak, only knowing it's name. Kenpachi is the same way, if he simply learned to use his sword's power, he would be way stronger, but his sword is already released.
You've still failed to prove his sword is released, you just keep saying it has to be. Saying it is doesn't make it true. Ichigo showed that he was using his sword. On the other hand, the fact that Kenpachi was fighting on his own was reason enough that he wouldn't release his sword or else he'd be fighting with his sword's power. The fact that he doesn't know its name is FACT that he cannot release it. All swords start out in a sealed state, not all shinigami can release them. He never had to TRY to seal it in the first place because it was never in a released form.

People tremble under Byakuya and Yamamoto's spirit force, but I've never seen anyone nearly pass out because of it. The way it seemed, look at how much Kenpachi has even with the eye patch, so by that virtue, 1/5th of Byakuya's power should be about the same. But Ichigo wasn't even phased by it on earth.

And I'm not sure about Yamamoto though. Havent seen normal people around him.

[Hef]

Eh, I haven't read the whole manga, only about a volume more than the anime has shown, but I (/we) can tell it wasn't in it's released form. You have to know the name of the sword. Learning the name and using the chant would be totally pointless otherwise. Unless proven otherwise later in the manga, which I doubt, the sword officially was in it's normal state. Another (very shabby and iffy) evidence to compliment is that Ken-chan has his sword in sheath - we've seen that the released forms might not look like a sword at all and wouldn't fit into the sheath. Ichigo has bandages around his. :cool

[Shishou]

It's obvious that the reason that his blade looks like a saw is because he fights constantly with it, not because it's shikai or whatever. Shisou, the entire point of the ragged edge is to show how much neglect Zaraki shows for his zanpakutou. He doesn't think of it as a zanpakutou, rather, he thinks of it as a sword. And that's why it's chipped and that's why it's NOT SHIKAI. To perform shikai, you MUST know the name of the sword. That's the reason why Zaraki had to ask his sword his name at the end of the battle (and failed). Of course, I've learned that some people don't change opinions no matter how much evidence and logic says so.

On to the next topic. It really annoys me that some people constantly say that Zaraki is the shit, and that with just Shikai (if he ever learns it) he will totally own most of the othe captains, and with Bankai, he will be god. From what conclusion do we draw this from? Most people say how powerful of a spriit force he emits. Do we just ignore how people also tremble under Byakluya and Yamamoto's spirit pressure too? Admittedly, he is damn powrful, taking on two captains at the same time and successfully dealing with a bankai. But still, I don't think that he is as powerful as Byakuya or Yamamoto, or ever will be.



Yet in the flashback, before he seemed to even be a Shinigami, his sword was like that.

Battle chips wouldn't look like the ridges on his sword, if you have ever seen battle chips on a sword. There has not been one piece of true evidence to imply his sword is still sealed, and he himself even said it is unsealed.

Ichigo can't seal his sword. He even knows the name. Does this mean his sword is sealed as well?



And as for people trembling before Byakuya's spiritual power and such. Yes they do, but remember, Kenpachi's unconscious spiritual power was even scarier. And when he takes his eyepatch off... Well juss look at my avatar. Who else's spiritual power alone, does such a thing?





And for knowing the name, to release it. There is no proof of this. Ichigo has NEVER RELEASED HIS SWORD. Other release it from their sealed form to their shikai, by saying it's name and what not. But Ichigo doesn't have a sealed form. The same goes with Kenpachi. It was never sealed in the first place, therefore he doesn't need to know it's name to seal it.

[babbitblob]

remember zaraki was insanely powerful even in rukongai.he had the same sword too, i believe, though less ragged. ichigo's sword was big and fat because he had/has no idea how to control it whatsoever. but kenpachi can control his energy to an extent. he knows how to focus it at least. but then he has too much and thats why he needs the eyepatch. as it is explained eventually, all captain class shinigami must learn to control their reiatsu, otherwise they'd just be swinging around building sized swords. that explains all. :|

[RaitoRyuukashin]

The reason his sword was like that because of the battles he went through. He was fighting on his own meaning he didn't even have a released sword. The other part of ur hidden statement can be inferred that his sword decided to give him another chance.

[Insipidipity]

Battle chips wouldn't look like the ridges on his sword, if you have ever seen battle chips on a sword. There has not been one piece of true evidence to imply his sword is still sealed, and he himself even said it is unsealed.

Ichigo can't seal his sword. He even knows the name. Does this mean his sword is sealed as well?

You're telling Kobe Tite what Battle chips look like now? What there HASNT been is any real evidence that Kenpachi knows the first thing about unsealed weapons. For a guy who can't hear his sword or sense spirit pressure, the burden of proof is on you to show that he can. If he's never unsealed it, how's he going to know, so you have to show outside of his own words actual evidence that its not sealed.

Ichigo can't seal his sword, ONCE HE UNSEALED IT. Kenpachi doesn't know the name so he can't unseal it.

Did you miss the entire part when he rebecame a shinigami? His sword was sealed BEFORE. It only unsealed once he yelled, ZANGETSUUUUUU.

That was when he released it. So your statement that he never released it and doesn't have a sealed form is completely false. We saw the sealed form. It was a broken sword. Therefore you're wrong. We saw him release it. Therefore you're wrong again.

[Hef]

I just read the manga, and the catwoman (Yorouchi? Dang, how embarrassing to forget her name =____=) said that Kenpachi was the first captain in the history without knowing his sword's name or either one of the two releases. I don't remember her exact words so look it up if you want to. :sweat

Edit: Oh god what a noobish vibe my posts have. xD

[RaitoRyuukashin]

I just read the manga, and the catwoman (Yorouchi? Dang, how embarrassing to forget her name =____=) said that Kenpachi was the first captain in the history without knowing his sword's name or either one of the two releases. I don't remember her exact words so look it up if you want to

Yoroichi and Thats Kenpachi character that he fights without using his sword powers.

[Shishou]

You're telling Kobe Tite what Battle chips look like now? What there HASNT been is any real evidence that Kenpachi knows the first thing about unsealed weapons. For a guy who can't hear his sword or sense spirit pressure, the burden of proof is on you to show that he can. If he's never unsealed it, how's he going to know, so you have to show outside of his own words actual evidence that its not sealed.

Ichigo can't seal his sword, ONCE HE UNSEALED IT. Kenpachi doesn't know the name so he can't unseal it.

Did you miss the entire part when he rebecame a shinigami? His sword was sealed BEFORE. It only unsealed once he yelled, ZANGETSUUUUUU.

That was when he released it. So your statement that he never released it and doesn't have a sealed form is completely false. We saw the sealed form. It was a broken sword. Therefore you're wrong. We saw him release it. Therefore you're wrong again.


Kenpachi can sense spiritual power... He can even control his to an extent. Where did you get such a thing?

Ichigo simply needed his sword's name, so he can manifest it. Because he had to gain his shinigami powers. Kenpachi was probably born with them, and had his sword since then. Not needing to gain it, like Ichigo did.


There was never an indication his sword was sealed. And he himself said it was unsealed, and said something aboot there being no point in sealing it. There is no point for him to need to unseal the sword, since it being unsealed already and not giving him any extra power, means it is no different than a sealed sword. But it looks cool, unlike sealed swords.




And Yoruichi never said he didn't know Shikai. Simply not Bankai, and he was the first captain to be a captain without it.

[Hef]

And Yoruichi never said he didn't know Shikai. Simply not Bankai, and he was the first captain to be a captain without it.
Oh yeah, that's how it was. :sweatdrop
The exact words from a translation by manga-rain:
"In other words, every captain can do the Ban release, with one exception..."
"Yadda yadda"
"In the long history of Soul Society, he's the only one who has became a captain without even knowing the name of his soul cutter."
So yeah, she never said that he doesn't know Shikai, but she didn't say that he knows it either. On the contrary, she implies that he doesn't know since the cutter's name is unknown.

And michaelbirotte, that's what I said. The only thing I wasn't sure about was her name. Thanks for clearing that up. :sweat

[Insipidipity]

Ichigo simply needed his sword's name, so he can manifest it. Because he had to gain his shinigami powers. Kenpachi was probably born with them, and had his sword since then. Not needing to gain it, like Ichigo did.

There was never an indication his sword was sealed. And he himself said it was unsealed, and said something aboot there being no point in sealing it. There is no point for him to need to unseal the sword, since it being unsealed already and not giving him any extra power, means it is no different than a sealed sword. But it looks cool, unlike sealed swords.

And Yoruichi never said he didn't know Shikai. Simply not Bankai, and he was the first captain to be a captain without it.
He did regain his shinigami powers. He was running around with them after he got his mask. He even had his broken Zanpaktou. That SEALED Zanpaktou. But after a while he finally learned the name of it and released Zangetsu.

Like I said, theres never been proof his sword was RELEASED. And like I also said, don't give me crap about "oh he said he couldn't", you say he doesn't use it like a released sword. Well if it looks like a sealed sword, acts like a sealed sword, guess what, it probably IS a sealed sword. "It looks cool" is meaningless to what it is. ITS a NORMAL looking sword with cuts in one side. Theres no pattern to it like a steak knife, its just chipped away. If you can point out a specific pattern in the jagged edge, I might agree that its an unsealed sword. Otherwise, its just an old sealed sword that he's fought with a lot.

[Shishou]

He did regain his shinigami powers. He was running around with them after he got his mask. He even had his broken Zanpaktou. That SEALED Zanpaktou. But after a while he finally learned the name of it and released Zangetsu.

Like I said, theres never been proof his sword was RELEASED. And like I also said, don't give me crap about "oh he said he couldn't", you say he doesn't use it like a released sword. Well if it looks like a sealed sword, acts like a sealed sword, guess what, it probably IS a sealed sword. "It looks cool" is meaningless to what it is. ITS a NORMAL looking sword with cuts in one side. Theres no pattern to it like a steak knife, its just chipped away. If you can point out a specific pattern in the jagged edge, I might agree that its an unsealed sword. Otherwise, its just an old sealed sword that he's fought with a lot.

He says it is released. It doesn't look anything like any other sealed sword. He wouldn't know how to seal his sword. He doesn't listen to it, or use it's powers.

Its quite simple, why muss you be so difficult, when there has been no indication that his sword is sealed?


I admit, there is a chance that the ridges on his sword, are from neglect and battles. But that doesn't change the fact that his sword doesn't resemble any sealed sword. I would think he wouldn't say his sword is always released, if he didn't know so.


There is no point or reason that his sword should be not released. As it gives off no power, it is not much better than a sealed sword. So juss let it be what he said, and what has been implied, that it is released, but he doesn't know how to use it's power.

[Powerman]

He did regain his shinigami powers. He was running around with them after he got his mask. He even had his broken Zanpaktou. That SEALED Zanpaktou. But after a while he finally learned the name of it and released Zangetsu.

Like I said, theres never been proof his sword was RELEASED. And like I also said, don't give me crap about "oh he said he couldn't", you say he doesn't use it like a released sword. Well if it looks like a sealed sword, acts like a sealed sword, guess what, it probably IS a sealed sword. "It looks cool" is meaningless to what it is. ITS a NORMAL looking sword with cuts in one side. Theres no pattern to it like a steak knife, its just chipped away. If you can point out a specific pattern in the jagged edge, I might agree that its an unsealed sword. Otherwise, its just an old sealed sword that he's fought with a lot.

Agreed, Not sure I could have said it better myself at this moment.

[RaitoRyuukashin]

The hole releasing a sword involves a name and a chant.... Howl Zabimaru
Shoot him forgot gins sword ...... but you know what I am getting at.

He doesn't know its name because he never even tried to talk to it. Thus he couldn't release it.

[Insipidipity]

He says it is released. It doesn't look anything like any other sealed sword. He wouldn't know how to seal his sword. He doesn't listen to it, or use it's powers.

Its quite simple, why muss you be so difficult, when there has been no indication that his sword is sealed?

I admit, there is a chance that the ridges on his sword, are from neglect and battles. But that doesn't change the fact that his sword doesn't resemble any sealed sword. I would think he wouldn't say his sword is always released, if he didn't know so.

There is no point or reason that his sword should be not released. As it gives off no power, it is not much better than a sealed sword. So juss let it be what he said, and what has been implied, that it is released, but he doesn't know how to use it's power.
He doesn't need to know HOW to seal his sword. It COMES sealed up. He has to learn to Release it. Its like those vacuum packed bean bags, its compact somehow, but once it comes out, its impossible to get back in. Unfortunately he never found the combination to open the damn box so he can't take it out.

When Ichigo got his zanpaktou, it was already in sealed form, he didn't have to seal it up, so why does Kenpachi suddenly have to?

Why do you assume his sword magically came unsealed when everyone elses came sealed. Everyone else in this thread can clearly see this but you.

If everyone around him has a sword they seal up, he probably thinks he can seal his up and when he tried he couldn't. Who's to say that he even would KNOW if it was sealed.

The only thing hinting that its released is his own words. EVERYTHING else about the show has IMPLIED that its not.

[Shishou]

He doesn't need to know HOW to seal his sword. It COMES sealed up. He has to learn to Release it. Its like those vacuum packed bean bags, its compact somehow, but once it comes out, its impossible to get back in. Unfortunately he never found the combination to open the damn box so he can't take it out.

When Ichigo got his zanpaktou, it was already in sealed form, he didn't have to seal it up, so why does Kenpachi suddenly have to?

Why do you assume his sword magically came unsealed when everyone elses came sealed. Everyone else in this thread can clearly see this but you.

If everyone around him has a sword they seal up, he probably thinks he can seal his up and when he tried he couldn't. Who's to say that he even would KNOW if it was sealed.

The only thing hinting that its released is his own words. EVERYTHING else about the show has IMPLIED that its not.

At start of the series, Ichigo didn't have Zangetsu. He had borrowed Shinigami powers.

Then he developed his own with Urahara, he didn't even conjure a full sword, because he couldn't even hear the name. Once he heard the name, he was able to manifest the full Zangetsu.



There never was a sealed version of Zangetsu.



And there is no evidence to say Kenpachi's is sealed. More saying its not, seeing as he himself said it wasn't. And nothing has been stated otherwise to prove that wrong. You are simply going off a hunch, and treating it as fact.

[Insipidipity]

At start of the series, Ichigo didn't have Zangetsu. He had borrowed Shinigami powers.

Then he developed his own with Urahara, he didn't even conjure a full sword, because he couldn't even hear the name. Once he heard the name, he was able to manifest the full Zangetsu.

There never was a sealed version of Zangetsu.

And there is no evidence to say Kenpachi's is sealed. More saying its not, seeing as he himself said it wasn't. And nothing has been stated otherwise to prove that wrong. You are simply going off a hunch, and treating it as fact.
He had borrowed powers but he still used Zangetsu. He conjured up a Broken sword because that was the one Byakuya broke, THAT WAS Zangetsu that Byakuya broke. And when he trained with Uruhara, he released Zangetsu's true form from his old broken sword.

Didn't you notice his sword that wasn't full sized was the same exact dimensions as the one that broke after it broke?

I'm not going off a hunch, I'm going off a simple fact that Ichigo himself stated. All swords are alive. Its IMPOSSIBLE that Kenpachi's sword can't get any stronger. Its far more credible to believe something someone who can hear his sword than someone who can't.

[Zaraki]

Umm found this bit that might refer to whether he has shikai or not.

If he dont have a sealed form then even if he doesnt know its name it is out on name release techincally ?

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2520/zarakisword5jb.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zarakisword5jb.jpg)

[Trebor]

Of course, I've learned that some people don't change opinions no matter how much evidence and logic says so.

Let it drop guys. If he wants to believe that, let him go on believing it. I think any rational reader has seen the Shishou's argument has been crushed. Just... let it go.

[Zaraki]

Shishou's argument has been crushed

Um no, I dont think so.

He seems to be speaking the most sense as far as Im concerned. But hey, we all have are own view on things and I suppose the only guy to straighten you out is good 'ol Kubo eh ?

But its nice to talk about it all !!

[Insipidipity]

Um no, I dont think so.

He seems to be speaking the most sense as far as Im concerned. But hey, we all have are own view on things and I suppose the only guy to straighten you out is good 'ol Kubo eh ?

But its nice to talk about it all !!
The most sense? All he's been saying is "Kenpachi says this" in 10 different ways. Kenpachi talking about his Zanpaktou is like Lee talking about perfecting hand seals.

If every shinigami could unseal their sword, thats one thing, but since most can't that means they start off default in a sealed state. Therefore, if Kenpachi doesn't know the name and can't hear his sword, theres no friggin reason that he has any idea that his sword aint got a name. If he heard his sword, then he might know that it has a name, but he can't. Plain and simple, I don't know whats so hard to understand about that.

[RaitoRyuukashin]

From Bleach Portal

The other major point that separates them from plain ol' swords is a zanpaku-to's ability to transform. Each blade has up to three distinct forms which its wielder can acces according to their strength and skill. The first, and one that doesn't take any effort to attain, is the blade's normal form. With a few exceptions, a zanpaku-to's normal form is indistinguishable from that of a plain katana. (I.e. Ichigos and Zenpachis)

The second form is called "Shikai", or "first release". The key to Shikai is learning the zanpaku-to's name.(SEE U HAVE TO KNOW THE NAME) Discovering it is not the easiest thing in the world; some Shinigami never do manage it. But for those that do, they gain a whole new level of power. Easily triggered by an incantation unique to each sword, a shikai zanpaku-to changes immensely, often becoming a weapon far removed from a sword. Also, shikai zanpaku-to usually have special powers a shinigami can use, such as poisons, illusions or power blasts.

From Bleach7


Name: Zaraki Kenpachi
Division: 11th
Rank: Captain
Special Rank: None

Short Info:
He comes from Area 80 of North Alley. Zaraki is the only captain of Gotei 13 who didn't take an entry exam to become a shinigami: he won the duel against the former 11th division captain. His hairstyle consists of spikes, with little bells at the end of each. He has no sense of direction and is always seen accompanied by his cheerful vice-captain. He lives to fight, he loves fighting to death. It’s said that you can’t cut him, his spiritual pressure is so strong that he has to wear an eye patch that sucks his energy: when he removes it, the pressure is even stronger. His soul cutter hasn’t a name and only has one form: a simple sword.

[Insipidipity]

Haha I just thought of something. Maybe the reason why he says his sword doesnt have a name is because its not actually a Zanpaktou...maybe he got a regular Katana and thought it was a Zanpaktou so when he tried to seal it, nothing happened.

[RaitoRyuukashin]

Haha I just thought of something. Maybe the reason why he says his sword doesnt have a name is because its not actually a Zanpaktou...maybe he got a regular Katana and thought it was a Zanpaktou so when he tried to seal it, nothing happened.

But that wouldnt explain why it was crying out during the fight. It cried out because they were supposed to be partners but Zenpachi ignores his sword and doesn't realize how powerful he would be with it.

[Insipidipity]

But that wouldnt explain why it was crying out during the fight. It cried out because they were supposed to be partners but Zenpachi ignores his sword and doesn't realize how powerful he would be with it.
Shush I was hoping noone would remember that.

Anyways, like I've said, if its crying and Kenpachi can't hear it, then apparently its alive and has a name but he can't hear it. He probably expects that he would hear it naturally, but since he can't he'd assume it doesn't have a name.

[Zaraki]

First off, no need to get all righteous with the big letters. Were only having a discussion here...

Second I was just thinking is there any difference between Sealing and Unsealing your sword and the actual name release?

Okay he doesnt know the name of his sword so he cant name realease it, therefore receive its power. But once you do name release a sword it seems you have to seal it, what if his power was such that it never was sealed in the first place...Therefor he wouldnt have to name release it and then seal it afterwards ?

I dont know, Ive watched and read all the manga and anime and all we seem to get is snipets of different characters knowledge. It would be nice if Kubo released a guide that put down all the rules and peculiarities in it..

Anyway its good to see peoples interpretations

[Insipidipity]

First off, no need to get all righteous with the big letters. Were only having a discussion here...

Second I was just thinking is there any difference between Sealing and Unsealing your sword and the actual name release?

Okay he doesnt know the name of his sword so he cant name realease it, therefore receive its power. But once you do name release a sword it seems you have to seal it, what if his power was such that it never was sealed in the first place...Therefor he wouldnt have to name release it and then seal it afterwards ?

I dont know, Ive watched and read all the manga and anime and all we seem to get is snipets of different characters knowledge. It would be nice if Kubo released a guide that put down all the rules and peculiarities in it..

Anyway its good to see peoples interpretations
Ichigo's reiatsu is damn big too, and he had to name release it. It comes in sealed form. Why do people think that somehow he's suddenly special that he was given a released sword when everyone else got a sealed sword to start with.

Just because its too powerful to reseal(like Ichigo) doesn't mean it wasnt sealed to start with.

[RaitoRyuukashin]

First off, no need to get all righteous with the big letters. Were only having a discussion here...


Im sorry, I just thought you all were blind since you miss all the previous posts. Swords come sealed every shinigami starts off sealed. When they release their sword by learning the name they become seated. If they achieve bankai they are on their way to becoming a captain. Zenpachi never even learned his swords name he just killed a captain with a sealed sword.

[Zaraki]

Ichigo's reiatsu is damn big too

But he started with Rukias power, only when he had been anhialated (spelling?) did he come back and achieve Zangetsu.

All Im saying is it is a possibility, for someone somewhere in the Bleach universe not to have to go through the usual shinigami process. But then neither of us know for sure as we dont make the manga or know the guy who does. I'm just trying to give ideas as to why he doesnt have the same sealed sword as absolutely every other shinigami who hasnt found there swords name yet does. I dont think its from prolonged use as the hilt and handguard are also very different from a regular shinigami's...

[Shishou]

Let them keep believing his sword is sealed.

Eventually Kenpachi will learn to use his sword's power, and they will see that his sword will stay in it's same form.



His sword is barely different than Ichigo's sword. When Ichigo simply knew the sword's name, he only tapped a tiny bit of it's power. Yet his sword is always released. Ichigo can now a big amount of it's power, yet you know what? It is never sealed. It is always released. So Ichigo can know all this aboot his sword, but not how to seal it? But it is unthinkable that Kenpachi could have an unsealed sword, that he can't seal?


Well, we'll have to see. I am going by appearance, and the words of Kenpachi. Also the fact his sword most likely wouldn't be crying out, if it had been sealed. It cries because it wants him to hear it, it wants him to use it's power, but Kenpachi does not hear it. He simply uses such a powerful sword, as a tool for killing. Not as a partner, what it so desperately wants.

[Insipidipity]

His sword is barely different than Ichigo's sword. When Ichigo simply knew the sword's name, he only tapped a tiny bit of it's power. Yet his sword is always released. Ichigo can now a big amount of it's power, yet you know what? It is never sealed. It is always released. So Ichigo can know all this aboot his sword, but not how to seal it? But it is unthinkable that Kenpachi could have an unsealed sword, that he can't seal?

Also the fact his sword most likely wouldn't be crying out, if it had been sealed. It cries because it wants him to hear it, it wants him to use it's power, but Kenpachi does not hear it. He simply uses such a powerful sword, as a tool for killing. Not as a partner, what it so desperately wants.
It's not unthinkable that when Kenpachi UNSEALS it then he won't be able to reseal it, just like Ichigo, but if he can't release it in the first place, then its not that hard to believe. Theres no reason to believe he's ever unsealed it, and we've seen everyone have sealed swords to start, it takes skill to release the sword, that many shinigami don't have. So why does Kenpachi not have to release it with its name while everyone else is struggling to?

His sword would be crying out if its sealed because thats how you hear your sword. Zangetsu was talking to Ichigo BEFORE he ever released it. Sealed swords talk, thats how you learn its name. It was crying it out because it wanted to be released.

[Powerman]

It's not unthinkable that when Kenpachi UNSEALS it then he won't be able to reseal it, just like Ichigo, but if he can't release it in the first place, then its not that hard to believe. Theres no reason to believe he's ever unsealed it, and we've seen everyone have sealed swords to start, it takes skill to release the sword, that many shinigami don't have. So why does Kenpachi not have to release it with its name while everyone else is struggling to?

His sword would be crying out if its sealed because thats how you hear your sword. Zangetsu was talking to Ichigo BEFORE he ever released it. Sealed swords talk, thats how you learn its name. It was crying it out because it wanted to be released.

That's exactly right. There was almost an entire chapter about him learning Zangetsu's name.

[RaitoRyuukashin]

That's exactly right. There was almost an entire chapter about him learning Zangetsu's name.


I still don't see why theres an argument. Without your swords name you can't release it. Thus he didnt have Shikai.

[Powerman]

I'm not saying it is in Shikai. This entire time I've been saying it isn't.

Neither is Insipidipity we've both been saying it's not in Shikai.

Actually I'm not sure what Insipidipity is saying anymore.

[Insipidipity]

I still don't see why theres an argument. Without your swords name you can't release it. Thus he didnt have Shikai.
Me neither, but I guess I have a bit of respect for Shishou(just a weeeee bit :P) so I want him to see the validity of my point. If it were someone else, I probably wouldn't even bother arguing.

[RaitoRyuukashin]

Me neither, but I guess I have a bit of respect for Shishou(just a weeeee bit http://forums.narutofan.com/images/smilies/toung.gif) so I want him to see the validity of my point. If it were someone else, I probably wouldn't even bother arguing.

lol yea usually he is logical. Maybe he had to many fights with Lotu and his brain got scrambled.

[Shishou]

Are you saying, it is impossible for a Shinigami to have a sword that was never sealed in the first place? Perhaps Kenpachi was so powerful, his sword couldn't even handle his spiritual pressure, unless it unsealed itself.


I mean, Ichigo never reseals his sword, while every other captain does. I still find it hard to believe he has a sealed sword, when he said his was never sealed in the first place.

[Kasuke Sadiki]

Well this is an interesting argument but I highly doubt Kenpachi's sword is released. I would join in, but everyone else has already given all the evidence i have.

Wait, did someone say earlier that the Shikai is different from the Unsealed form?? Where'd you get that from?

Anyway what I find interesting is that Kenpachi seemed to have had his sword from before he even became a Shinigami. So how is it a zanpakutou? Also, how do the shinigami's get their zanpakutous? Are all trainees given generic soul slayers and then gradually their personality flows into the sword and it gains a personality and a name? Or do their swords manifest after a certain level of their training? Do we ever find out?? [Not too much manga spoilers plz]

[Insipidipity]

I've always wondered how they get them in the first place myself. My thoughts are that they're given normal ones and their power is injected into them.

Yes, Ichigo never reseals his sword, I never said Kenpachi would be able to REseal his sword. I said he never released it in the first place. I doubt their zanpaktou's start off in normal and then suddenly get sealed the moment they touched them. If Kenpachi's sword unsealed itself, then why didn't Ichigo when he had so much flowing through it that it started to deform. Even if it was Rukia's sword, according to your logic, it wouldn't be able to maintain its form so it should've transformed into whatever its unsealed form, whether or not that was Zangetsu because the Sword obviously was affected by Ichigo's reiatsu.

[Shishou]

Shikai and Unsealed swords may have a difference...

I mean, maybe the actual act of Shikai is using the sword's power, not it's form. So when Byakuya's sword becomes tiny little Sakura Blades, or Renji does his 3 attack combo and pulls his sword back... That that is the actual process of Shikai being done, when their sword is unsealed... But eh, juss a thought.




How is this for a thought. The reason Kenpachi can't hear his sword, or use it's powers... And even the reason it is unsealed, is because he killed a Shinigami and took his sword? Perhaps the captain he killed to become a captain is who's sword he has? And it never sealed up after his death?

[Hef]

Shikai and Unsealed swords may have a difference...

I mean, maybe the actual act of Shikai is using the sword's power, not it's form. So when Byakuya's sword becomes tiny little Sakura Blades, or Renji does his 3 attack combo and pulls his sword back... That that is the actual process of Shikai being done, when their sword is unsealed... But eh, juss a thought.

Eh, shikai means initial release, so... :sweat

[Powerman]

Shikai and Unsealed swords may have a difference...

I mean, maybe the actual act of Shikai is using the sword's power, not it's form. So when Byakuya's sword becomes tiny little Sakura Blades, or Renji does his 3 attack combo and pulls his sword back... That that is the actual process of Shikai being done, when their sword is unsealed... But eh, juss a thought.




How is this for a thought. The reason Kenpachi can't hear his sword, or use it's powers... And even the reason it is unsealed, is because he killed a Shinigami and took his sword? Perhaps the captain he killed to become a captain is who's sword he has? And it never sealed up after his death?

Interesting thought, but I can't honestly see Kenpachi taking another Shinigami's sword.

[Tenrow]

Shikai and Unsealed swords may have a difference...

I mean, maybe the actual act of Shikai is using the sword's power, not it's form. So when Byakuya's sword becomes tiny little Sakura Blades, or Renji does his 3 attack combo and pulls his sword back... That that is the actual process of Shikai being done, when their sword is unsealed... But eh, juss a thought.




How is this for a thought. The reason Kenpachi can't hear his sword, or use it's powers... And even the reason it is unsealed, is because he killed a Shinigami and took his sword? Perhaps the captain he killed to become a captain is who's sword he has? And it never sealed up after his death?

If you recall, Kenpachi killed the original 11th captain long after he met Yachiru

[Shishou]

Eh, shikai means initial release, so... :sweat

But it could mean the release of it's techniques and abilities, since thats what most Shikai is. Releasing the sword, to be capable of those abilities.

But eh.



Anyways, now that I look back, ima juss say I'm half and half now. Half of me thinks perhaps it is still a sealed sword. And half of me feels it is a released sword, that he doesn't use the power of.

[silleung]

wow, lot of thinking going on. i wont add to these theories 'cause its' late (in my current location and time it is) and i cant be bothered to do more than skim the text. anyways its actually interesting how most of your theories are probably based on the anime. i watch the anime yet i dont bother to think this deeply into the matter. you guys must either be really intelligent, know the creator of bleach or just have a lot of time on your hands. anyways, id say that because Kenpachi doesnt know his zanpakutou, he hasn't been able to unleash it. therefore when he does call upon his zanpakutou to fight, it will take on a different form. perhaps a repaired katana or a whole different thing like most of the other zanpakutou's.

[Insipidipity]

you guys must either be really intelligent, know the creator of bleach or just have a lot of time on your hands.
I'll take a little from column A and a lot from column C :)

From when Kenpachi said his Zanpaktou only had 1 form, I was skeptical 50/50. But when Ichigo realized his sword was more than just something with a name but a living being, I knew for sure Kenpachi had yet to release it.

Take a deaf and Blind person, they might tell you noone can talk.

[The Space Cowboy]

For Zaraki Kenpachi (One of my favorite captains), the Zanpaktou issue may not be that his sword cannot be heard, or that he doesn't speak to it. Maybe he can't

Perhaps his Soul Slayer is "Dead." We've seen that the Zanpaktou are part of the person's soul to an extent, but what if that part of the soul dies? Hence, the Zanpaktou dies.

[Cupboards]

Died no, maybe hidden.. But good 1

[babbitblob]

the way i see it, this is the order
1) the unusual blob of energy. most shinigami dont get this stage, because theyre GIVEN a practice sword instead [like the one ichigo fought antichigo with] during their academy days. then once theyve learned their cutters name, they graduate. assumed, somewhat. ichigo got this because he had shinigami powers injected into him, forcing a sword to form from his energy.
2) nameless sword. just a practice sword students are given. see the extra chappy with kiramomorenji and they all have it.
3) named sword. the sword has a solid form and i suppose they have a much stronger control over the power the sword uses. general spirit control must be pretty high too, since this form is shikai with a seal placed over the sword to hide/control its initial form. this form is actually reached AFTER shikai, since they learn the name/release, THEN relax and seal the sword. ichigo has never been able to seal his sword. possibly because of the massive reiatsu of his.
4) shikai (initial release). the true sword. capabilities differ by user. level of attackcan be manipulated by how much reiatsu is put into it.
5) bankai (full release). the extremist. the sword now is released of its restrictions and allowed to let its full power out. power of ban kai is pretty much how much control and strength the user has note ichigo's ban kai was barely able to dodge byakuya, but antichigo could use the blackgetsu and speed, witout breaking a sweat.

keep discussing.

[kondono]

if I'm not mistaken, I believe that during the Ichigo -vs- Kenpachi fight Kenpachi revealed to Ichigo that his zanpakutou had no released form as it was already in it released state...when Ichigo asked him to release it.. and after that being said...Ichigo got alittle cocky and said something like not having to hold back or something...I'll review it again for the 5th time and get back to you all..

[kondono]

I've always wondered how they get them in the first place myself. My thoughts are that they're given normal ones and their power is injected into them.

Yes, Ichigo never reseals his sword, I never said Kenpachi would be able to REseal his sword. I said he never released it in the first place. I doubt their zanpaktou's start off in normal and then suddenly get sealed the moment they touched them. If Kenpachi's sword unsealed itself, then why didn't Ichigo when he had so much flowing through it that it started to deform. Even if it was Rukia's sword, according to your logic, it wouldn't be able to maintain its form so it should've transformed into whatever its unsealed form, whether or not that was Zangetsu because the Sword obviously was affected by Ichigo's reiatsu.

the black Zanpakutou Ichigo carries is the shikai form Zangetsu....Ichigo's zanpakutou in its un-sealed form is the broken blade with the red threads that Urahara cut down with Benihime...and when Ichigo releases it for the first time he calls out "Zangetsu" and his bankai is Tensa Zangetsu

[jonat3]

the black Zanpakutou Ichigo carries is the shikai form Zangetsu....Ichigo's zanpakutou in its un-sealed form is the broken blade with the red threads that Urahara cut down with Benihime...and when Ichigo releases it for the first time he calls out "Zangetsu" and his bankai is Tensa Zangetsu

You revived a pretty old thread. Anyways, his black sword is his BANKAI sword (fully released). His huge meat cleaver sword (that he got after the shattered shaft) is his shikai sword (partial release). His old sword that he got from rukia, is probably the sealed form, since only the sealed form seems to increase in size proportional to the amount of reiatsu a shinigami has.

[dreams lie]

Zaraki's blade is already at shikai. He said it himself, that the sword was already at it's "true form." Ichigo even assumed (because it was before the intro of baikai) that the sword isn't going to get any stronger and he actually got some hope. Zaraki being the total bad ass he is stabbed straight through his cleaver and if Ichigo didn't get power from his sword, he would have bled to death.

[Ino1-Shika2-Cho_35]

Kempachi's spirit energy must be incredible if it took both Ichigo's spirit energy working alongside Zangetsu's to stop him. I would think that if Kempachi ever mastered Bankai he would be unstoppable. As for what his bankai would look like, I imagine it would look similar to Ichigo's Shikai.

[Unbelievable]

Zaraki's blade is already at shikai. He said it himself, that the sword was already at it's "true form." Ichigo even assumed (because it was before the intro of baikai) that the sword isn't going to get any stronger and he actually got some hope. Zaraki being the total bad ass he is stabbed straight through his cleaver and if Ichigo didn't get power from his sword, he would have bled to death.

Jesus, did you even read any of the previous posts? It was established that Kenpachi clearly doesn't know shit about how Zanpakutos work. Remember, Kenpachi also said "It ain't got a name", which isn't true, he just can't hear its cries. Thus, Kenpachi saying "It ain't got a sealed form to begin with" is about as valid as him saying his Zanpakuto doesn't have a name. That is, not valid at all.

Pay attention.

[jonat3]

Jesus, did you even read any of the previous posts? It was established that Kenpachi clearly doesn't know shit about how Zanpakutos work. Remember, Kenpachi also said "It ain't got a name", which isn't true, he just can't hear its cries. Thus, Kenpachi saying "It ain't got a sealed form to begin with" is about as valid as him saying his Zanpakuto doesn't have a name. That is, not valid at all.

Pay attention.

Actuallly, Misleader is right. Zaraki's sword IS a fulltime released sword. This is a pretty old thread, so at the time there was no definite evidence to convince anyone of this truth, even though the combination of chapter 109 and 120 should have been enough to prove it. However, as of today, we DO have that evidence. The DATABOOKS themselves confirm his sword is a fulltime released shikai sword.

And then to say that zaraki's words aren't valid at all......

[Jicksy]

dont no why but i'd say kenpachi with some lightning attributes to his released zanpaktou would suit him

[Unbelievable]

Actuallly, Misleader is right. Zaraki's sword IS a fulltime released sword. This is a pretty old thread, so at the time there was no definite evidence to convince anyone of this truth, even though the combination of chapter 109 and 120 should have been enough to prove it. However, as of today, we DO have that evidence. The DATABOOKS themselves confirm his sword is a fulltime released shikai sword.

And then to say that zaraki's words aren't valid at all......

Ah, well if that's true then it's my bad, I haven't read the databooks. It does, however, point out the interesting inconsistencies in Kubo's writing though. :P

[Jetstorm]

It would probably end up being bigger since he can't control it and it would obviously be a power type Zanpaktou.

[Zeller]

If he talked to his zanpaktou he would be an bad @ss mofo kicker
Since of his enormous amount of Reyatsu (Don't know how it's spelled) without the zanpaktou, it's all his own power, if his zanpaktou talked to him he would be using "uber hax" xD

[pvrhye]

I always interpreted the ridges and dings are pits in the sword from all the abuse it's taken in it's sealed form. I'm pretty sure it's dull as hell, which is just what Kenpachi would want... makes the fights more even. I'm sure his sword knows that he wouldn't want someone else's help anyway.