Sasori vs Naruto

[TheYellowFlash10]

Distance: 40 m
Both can use everything that they have showed so far
Restrictions: Naruto can't use the Kyuubi power (I mean KN1, KN2, etc)
Sasori's weapons aren't poisoned.

Who should win?

[eDyH]

No poison?

Naruto wins without much trouble.

[Cabbage Cabrera]

Haha, it'd be funny to see 100 puppets try to wipe out 1000 clones all of which are capable of FRS and Sage Mode for that matter.

[Ohmek]

Either side can win this but no poison makes it quite difficult.

[Green Poncho]

So far only KN4 has shown any ability to fight an opponent at this level...

[eDyH]

So far only KN4 has shown any ability to fight an opponent at this level...

.....

You mean Sasori without poison or Naruto without Kyuubi transformations? :hurr

[Law]

Naruto hasn't shown anything with Senjutsu yet, he also hasn't shown anything that can withstand Satetsu...with or without poison.

[eDyH]

Naruto hasn't shown anything with Senjutsu yet, he also hasn't shown anything that can withstand Satetsu...with or without poison.

Sasori hasn't shown anything that could withstand an Oodama Rasengan.


...with or without poison. :LOS

[Jυstin]

I'm wondering myself what Sasori could do against a TKBnJ Naruto who has the reflexes and physical endurance shown in the next to the latest translated chapter of Naruto.

420 was it?

Either way, Kyuubi isn't needed as HM's shown feats so far make for a viable compensation.

[Law]

If I stay here in this thread, I'm just going to end up getting negged. So I'll state my view, and leave.

Sasori's main power is not in his poison - that's just a bonus. There's no way Naruto could ever even dream of beating an opponent like Sasori. I'm not arguing this point - I'm just saying it, you can do whatever you want with it.

If you're going to respond to this post, do so with the knowledge that I won't be reading it.

[edit] When he shows off Senjutsu, hopefully I won't think he's a poor excuse for a main character anymore. We'll see.

[zabuza666]

If I stay here in this thread, I'm just going to end up getting negged. So I'll state my view, and leave.

Sasori's main power is not in his poison - that's just a bonus. There's no way Naruto could ever even dream of beating an opponent like Sasori. I'm not arguing this point - I'm just saying it, you can do whatever you want with it.

If you're going to respond to this post, do so with the knowledge that I won't be reading it.

[edit] When he shows off Senjutsu, hopefully I won't think he's a poor excuse for a main character anymore. We'll see.

Completely disagree here, his poison is easily his strongest aspect. His puppets become alot less deadly when you can allow yourself to get scratched; especially against a KN0/Senjutsu Naruto who has great durability and some regen abilities.

[Jegan747]

naruto owns. 1000 clones is too much or sasori.

[Chainer]

Completely disagree here, his poison is easily his strongest aspect. His puppets become alot less deadly when you can allow yourself to get scratched; especially against a KN0/Senjutsu Naruto who has great durability and some regen abilities.

If I recall correctly, Chiyo was terrified of the Kazekage Puppet's satetsu even before she knew that it was poisoned. Don't you think there's something to that?

Yes, the poison is deadly, but the puppets themselves are formidable as well.

Also, regarding this:

Haha, it'd be funny to see 100 puppets try to wipe out 1000 clones all of which are capable of FRS and Sage Mode for that matter.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/270/14/

Wouldn't that work?

[Juracule Mihawk]

Naruto should win this, Hiruko can be destroyed by Rasengan and all the other variants. Naruto can counter all those puppets with his tajuu kage bunshin no jutsu, Sasori can't do much without his poison against an opponent with alot of chakra and stamina.

[zabuza666]

If I recall correctly, Chiyo was terrified of the Kazekage Puppet's satetsu even before she knew that it was poisoned. Don't you think there's something to that?

Yes, the poison is deadly, but the puppets themselves are formidable as well.

Also, regarding this:

I'm not saying he isn't deadly without poison; my point is his poison is still the most lethal weapon in his arsenal. If you had to choose between: -

a) Having all weapons coated in poison but can't use Kazekage, or;
b) Able to use Kazekage but weapons don't have poison;

What would you pick? I know I'd pick B.

[Chainer]

I'm not saying he isn't deadly without poison; my point is his poison is still the most lethal weapon in his arsenal. If you had to choose between: -

a) Having all weapons coated in poison but can't use Kazekage, or;
b) Able to use Kazekage but weapons don't have poison;

What would you pick? I know I'd pick B.

Well that's just downright silly of you, seeing as how the current situation does not allow for Sasori to have his poison.

I'm siding with Law on this one.

[X KAGE]

Naruto stpmps

he has frog boss:amuse

[zabuza666]

Well that's just downright silly of you, seeing as how the current situation does not allow for Sasori to have his poison.

I'm siding with Law on this one.

Well no it isn't, since we were arguing over what Sasori's most potent weapon is- the poison or the kazekage. And it's clearly the poison.

[chickmashine]

Well current Naruto has
1) Rasengan varieties
2) Kage bunshin
3) stable taijutsu
4) sage mode
5) That jutsu? (Does he have it?)

The first step is cracking the shell of Sasori. That shouldn't be a problem for Naruto. A Rasengan should do it and getting used to fighting the tail would be done by using Kagebunshin.

But then he fights Sasori's "third Kazekage - puppet" And here is the best arguement so far:.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/270/14/
Wouldn't that work?

Naruto would have a hard time taking on the third... His Kagebunshin aren't useable and close combat is actually not a good solution for this enemy. But now of course: Sage mode would bitchslap this puppet. Naruto probably couldn't even be cut.

The 100 puppets would be taken out by Tajuu Kagebunshin (The ultimate conter) and if necassary "that jutsu." Taking on Sasori's real body is hard but I think Naruto can take him and def in sage mode

[-Maya-]

Sasori even if he had poison wouldn't kill Naruto, Renember how little the Poison from the demon brothers affected him

His Iron sand However would be the trickiest part of this fight

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Even without poison Sasori still rapes hard :facepalm Sandaime Kazekage is more than enough to kill Narutu because of Iron Sand. However if Naruto was given KN3 he may have a chance and if he was KN4 he would rape with ease.

[Inksplash]

Naruto roflstomps. Senjutsu Naruto would rip Sasori in two. No poison is like saying Lee is restricted from Taijutsu.

[Pussy Monster]

No poison just means Sasori changes his Strategy; Iron sand is very versatile and is the most fear jutsu in Suna minus the poison. Sasori's Intelligence greatly surpasses that of Naruto's and gives him quite an advantage. Naruto not being adept at the abilities of puppeteers put him at a disadvantage.

Sasori's reaction time, reflexes, and great puppeteering skills are more than to keep any initial moves Naruto would dish out. His reaction speed pretty much keeps Naruto from pulling off anything against Hiruko. The tail covers a pretty decent diameter of the puppet and if anything comes in range it would get whiplash instantly. Hiruko's needle spam will also have the inexperienced Naruto on the move. Although Naruto has the jutsu to break Hiruko, he doesn't have the skill.

But Sasori won't be able to beat Naruto in Hiruko due to its lack of offensive capability w/o poison. He would probably come out of Hiruko and unleash the Kazekage. Once the Kazekage comes out Naruto has no defense capable of withstanding it power. Naruto's only hope is to summon Gamabunta.

Once Bunta hits the field, Sasori is going to have to go on the defensive. His best way to deal with Bunta is to form the giant shapes of Iron Sand. Bunta's giant knife can be used against him due to the Kazekage's magnetism. Since there's no poison, instead of attacking Bunta he'd go straight for Naruto on Bunta's head. He can jump on the Iron sand triangle and launch himself across the toward Bunta hope off on his head and continue to assault Naruto.

From here(tired of typing)its a toss up, the only thing giving Sasori a problem is Gamabunta especially w/o poison. Naruto doesn't get the win, but I'll give it to Gamabunta due to the cheapness that is Boss Summons.

Gamabunta wins. :zaru

[Chainer]

Well no it isn't, since we were arguing over what Sasori's most potent weapon is- the poison or the kazekage. And it's clearly the poison.

So you say. I happen to disagree.

[TheYellowFlash10]

Sasori even if he had poison wouldn't kill Naruto, Renember how little the Poison from the demon brothers affected him

His Iron sand However would be the trickiest part of this fight

Are you saying that the Demon brother's poison is as effective as Sasori poison?

Maybe you should read more often.... Sasori made that poison, is deadly with one scratch, that's why I restricted that poison...

[TheYellowFlash10]

I'm wondering myself what Sasori could do against a TKBnJ Naruto who has the reflexes and physical endurance shown in the next to the latest translated chapter of Naruto.

420 was it?

Either way, Kyuubi isn't needed as HM's shown feats so far make for a viable compensation.

He hasn't shown HM.....

[TheYellowFlash10]

Completely disagree here, his poison is easily his strongest aspect. His puppets become a lot less deadly when you can allow yourself to get scratched; especially against a KN0/Senjutsu Naruto who has great durability and some regen abilities.

It isn't xD
Sandaime Kazekage is his strongest weapon (100 puppets aren't that effective because Naruto has the Kage Bushin no Jutsu).

[Euraj]

Sasori's limitations means Naruto potentially has more than one chance to one-shot with Rasen-Shuriken. That's enough for me to put this fight much in his favor.

[TheYellowFlash10]

Sasori's limitations means Naruto potentially has more than one chance to one-shot with Rasen-Shuriken. That's enough for me to put this fight much in his favor.

Sasori is more intelligent than Naruto, he should be able to evade the hit, and if he don't evade it, he can transfer to another puppet just like he did in the manga

[HBKJames]

I'm going with Sasori

Just one of his puppets have so any different array of attacks and traps that even Shino had had difficulties reading, and Shino's a much greater analytical than Naruto. He'd be lucky to see most coming, let alone several puppets.

How many times has Naruto tried using the numbers game with Kage Bunshin no Jutsu to no use. Neji, Kimimaro, and Sasuke have proved that no matter the number of Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, it doesn't increase the strength or speed to close the gap in skill between him and them. The clones didn't make a single difference in the fight with Kimimaro because Naruto wasn't oon the same level. It's the same here, Sasori is an S-class criminal who was on par with Oro and took out the Kazekage

And on top of all his dangerous puppets, to have the 3rd kazekage with his iron sand techniques is his ace.

and with so much to look out for from all the puppets, Naruto will never have time to achieve HM, it takes way too much time, he'll never get to use it

And I don't see the Rasengan being any more of a game changer than Kakashi's Raikiri would be if he fought Oro

I like Naruto alot, but I don't wanna overestimate Naruto and underestimate Sasori because of it

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Sennin/Hermit Mode stomps.

[TheYellowFlash10]

Sennin/Hermit Mode stomps.

Naruto has already used Hermit Mode?

If not, he can't use it here

[zabuza666]

It isn't xD
Sandaime Kazekage is his strongest weapon (100 puppets aren't that effective because Naruto has the Kage Bushin no Jutsu).

Your using a specific example, I'm saying generally; sasori's poison is a far more potent weapon then 3rd Kazekage.

[Mibu Clan]

1000 Kage Bunshin would make each KB that much inferior to Sasori's Aka Higi... If anything he would be smart and have quality on his own side. (Say 10-20 KB)

[TheYellowFlash10]

Your using a specific example, I'm saying generally; sasori's poison is a far more potent weapon then 3rd Kazekage.

the thing is that if he doesn't use poison he will be just as powerful as he is with it, the poison just finish the work very quickly

[zabuza666]

the thing is that if he doesn't use poison he will be just as powerful as he is with it, the poison just finish the work very quickly

The poison changes the whole dynamics of the fight. Without it his opponents can breathe alot easier, as they can afford to take minor scratches if it means getting big jutsus off. In contrast if poison is applied, the tiniest scratch is all it takes; and that mentality alone can completely fuck his opponents up.

[TheYellowFlash10]

The poison changes the whole dynamics of the fight. Without it his opponents can breathe alot easier, as they can afford to take minor scratches if it means getting big jutsus off. In contrast if poison is applied, the tiniest scratch is all it takes; and that mentality alone can completely fuck his opponents up.

I think that his ultimate weapon is the Sandaime Kazekage, you say that is the potion. Even if I don't agree with you this time, you have a very good explanation of why do you think the potion is the biggest factor, instead of the Kazekage puppet.

It's all about how do you see the thing in a certain situation...

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Naruto has already used Hermit Mode?

If not, he can't use it here

Yes he has used it vs Fukasaku, we also know the bonuses it gives and have seen a Hermit Mode in action so yeah.

[TheYellowFlash10]

Yes he has used it vs Fukasaku, we also know the bonuses it gives and have seen a Hermit Mode in action so yeah.

mmm
Nice point Munboy xD

well... he has Hermit Mode (But not finished, and he doesn't know how to use it perfectly). (:

[TheKage]

I would say Naruto just because sasori doesnt have poison. Narutos sage mode ups his defence by a lot so without the poison its not gonna hurt as much

[HBKJames]

HM has great advantages, but since he doesn't start out with it in the OP, there's no way he'd be able to activate after the battle has started; he'll need to summon Pa or Ma and fuse with them and find a way to remain perfectly still for too long a time. So I give this battle to Sasori if Naruto can't use senjutsu

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

mmm
Nice point Munboy xD

well... he has Hermit Mode (But not finished, and he doesn't know how to use it perfectly). (:

He can use it perfectly, but he just has to learn how to fuse with Fukasaku so he bypassed the 5 min limit.

[TheYellowFlash10]

He can use it perfectly, but he just has to learn how to fuse with Fukasaku so he bypassed the 5 min limit.

Where is that stated?
He just jumped.... xD

[eDyH]

Where is that stated?
He just jumped.... xD

It is impossible to jump in Hermit Mode without first mastering every other aspect of it's usage.

[TheYellowFlash10]

It is impossible to jump in Hermit Mode without first mastering every other aspect of it's usage.

...
It is proven???

(The thing is that I don't want to make abilities from Naruto out from nowhere or by assumptions)

[Rinnengan Thug]

Gamabunta solos

[TheYellowFlash10]

Gamabunta solos

This one isn't about Gamabunta....

What if Naruto summons Gamabunta, then Sasori aim Sandaime Kazekage puppet to Naruto and use the Iron Sand to finish him off, but Gamabunta survives? xD

[SoLiOZuZ]

I think Naruto can easily deal with that Iron Sand. He can easily summon Gamabunta and have him use a water bullet at the sand making it slower and much harder to move...

[grahf]

1000 clones is not really deadly. Proof is those kyubinaruto clones were all wiped out by kimimaru without even using his curse seal. Sasori can also wiped them out. I haven't seen naruto beat a major character without some help or without the kyubi's chakra. I also haven't seen him in action with his senjutsu so won't include that.
Sasori wins. iron sand pawns
>.<

[supercell]

Naruto rapes KN0/HM.

[HBKJames]

Sasori's on a whole other level...he's up there with the legendary sannin easily

And Naruto hasn't shown enough patience, high lvl stragey and vast improvement over the time skip. He did improve alot put not enough for this level of combat. Case in point, his battle with Deidara, Naruto can be a hot head and easily get himself killed

Jiraiya even stated ninja like the sannin are on a whole different level
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/165/15/ and kage bunshin is useless http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/165/16/ Granted when Jiraiya said this, it was prior to the time skip, but even after, against Deidara, Itachi, and Madara...the difference in level with certain A-class is still apparent

Sasori is deadly with or w/o poison. Those puppets have plenty of other potent weapons. The only way to counter is with extensive knowledge of how the puppets work, which is why Chiyo was such a perfect counter

[SoLiOZuZ]

The real advantage that Sasori had was his poison because it was one of his deadliest tricks. Without it, he just becomes a puppet well many puppets. I don't think Naruto would lose simply because he has massive endurance, actually, I think Naruto is probably the only other leaf ninja (from his class) that could have lasted against a Poisonless Sasori.

[TheYellowFlash10]

The real advantage that Sasori had was his poison because it was one of his deadliest tricks. Without it, he just becomes a puppet well many puppets. I don't think Naruto would lose simply because he has massive endurance, actually, I think Naruto is probably the only other leaf ninja (from his class) that could have lasted against a Poisonless Sasori.

Do you think he would endure Iron Sand?

[SoLiOZuZ]

He summoned Gamabunta last time, it's possible he'd do it again. Once the sand is wet, it would move much slower than it did against Sakura. I think Naruto has what it takes to outlast Sasori, it just depends how you want to look at the details, if Sasori starts out with Iron Sand I'm not so sure but if the fight drags on, then Naruto should be able to stand a decent chance against him. I don't think avoiding the sand is much of a problem, Sakura was able to do it and they are almost on par.

[Han Solo]

He summoned Gamabunta last time, it's possible he'd do it again. Once the sand is wet, it would move much slower than it did against Sakura. I think Naruto has what it takes to outlast Sasori, it just depends how you want to look at the details, if Sasori starts out with Iron Sand I'm not so sure but if the fight drags on, then Naruto should be able to stand a decent chance against him. I don't think avoiding the sand is much of a problem, Sakura was able to do it and they are almost on par.

Even if your right, it's still slowing down from supersonic speeds.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/269/03/

At best it'd make it a 1/5th of the original speed, which doesn't matter because Naruto still couldn't react to such speeds. Or Gamabunta.