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Yammy
10-07-2008, 11:15 AM
The only thing that ever contrasted the two was that sylar could understand everything and that peter had the better ability but couldn't make use of the powers as good as sylar could because he lacked the knowledge to instantly understand.

Now that they gave it to Peter basically turned him into some Gary Stu while sylar lost the only thing that made him unique. Hopefully peter loses the power again as he realizes he can't control the hunger or something... but terrible for the story as a whole imo. Especially when they just erased all the other powers sylar got as well.

I.P. Standing
10-07-2008, 11:23 AM
I wouldn't go so far as to say that it "ruined Heroes", more like it "ruined Peter and Sylar", for the reasons you mentioned.

Thankfully, there are enough characters going around that it won't completely ruin the Heroes experience, though this is a blow, IMO.

Rhaella
10-07-2008, 11:28 AM
Well, it depends on where they're trying to go with this. If they're eventually planning a role reversal in which Sylar becomes the true hero and Peter completely falls apart, then... it's an understandable move.

It does shove home the kinship between Peter and Gabriel, however, and I think it's important for that reason. And it helps to further humanize Gabriel, since to see someone as empathetic as Peter unable to control himself anymore... Yeah, that says far more about Sylar than any monologue ever could.

I don't think it takes him into Gary Stu territory, really, because of how strongly it's been painted as a terrible power to have.

I.P. Standing
10-07-2008, 12:06 PM
I sorta take back what I said in my previous post, due to...Well, it depends on where they're trying to go with this. If they're eventually planning a role reversal in which Sylar becomes the true hero and Peter completely falls apart, then... it's an understandable move.

It does shove home the kinship between Peter and Gabriel, however, and I think it's important for that reason. And it helps to further humanize Gabriel, since to see someone as empathetic as Peter unable to control himself anymore... Yeah, that says far more about Sylar than any monologue ever could.

I don't think it takes him into Gary Stu territory, really, because of how strongly it's been painted as a terrible power to have.... but, depending on how well they work with this, it might end up ruining both characters anyway, or be one of the best season 3 decisions ever made.

mystictrunks
10-07-2008, 12:41 PM
This will either mess up everything after the future gets saved this time, or make for a really cook partnership with Peter and Sylar.

Sunuvmann
10-07-2008, 12:55 PM
I truly want to see a Sylar Peter team up. For good or bad. But yeah, I'm really thinking after this season either Peter will 'die' (like how Superman died) or he will have some sort of power reset since he's on his way to getting more powers than pokeymans.

Shin_Yagami
10-07-2008, 06:03 PM
Actually I like it, it gives Peter a flaw ever since he somehow had no trouble anymore with blowing up he's been strolling around and kicking like he is Neo or something.
This actually makes him human, stronger though having to fight the hungre that is almost impossible to resist.

rawrawraw
10-07-2008, 06:34 PM
The nuke explosion totally made up for this.

abstract
10-07-2008, 06:40 PM
i like the idea.


peter isn't a little bitch anymore, he actually has a vice:lmao

Garlock
10-07-2008, 06:45 PM
I agree with abstract. This is similar to Neo in the Matrix (I hate to use this contrast since its so 2000 for a contrast...). Before he unlocked his "one" powers, he was a nonbeliever, weak, lacked knowledge of what he can and cannot do. Then, just like Peter, he became better oriented with what he knows and what he can do.

Not really a Gary Stu, more of a Keanu Reeves.

mystictrunks
10-07-2008, 09:05 PM
I agree with abstract. This is similar to Neo in the Matrix (I hate to use this contrast since its so 2000 for a contrast...). Before he unlocked his "one" powers, he was a nonbeliever, weak, lacked knowledge of what he can and cannot do. Then, just like Peter, he became better oriented with what he knows and what he can do.

Not really a Gary Stu, more of a Keanu Reeves.

So he has the power to do anything, but he's too dumb to do anything useful.

Just like season 1 and 2.

-Dargor-
10-07-2008, 09:29 PM
The only thing that ever contrasted the two was that sylar could understand everything and that peter had the better ability but couldn't make use of the powers as good as sylar could because he lacked the knowledge to instantly understand.

Now that they gave it to Peter basically turned him into some Gary Stu while sylar lost the only thing that made him unique. Hopefully peter loses the power again as he realizes he can't control the hunger or something... but terrible for the story as a whole imo. Especially when they just erased all the other powers sylar got as well.

Sylar understands how the abilities work by goin trough people's brain and studying it.

Its not like Peter is gonna autopsy everyone's brains to understand how their abilities work.

Nothing has changed regarding this, Peter now has a better understanding of things, not of powers, unless he starts chopping heads.

Yammy
10-07-2008, 09:47 PM
Sylar understands how the abilities work by goin trough people's brain and studying it.

Its not like Peter is gonna autopsy everyone's brains to understand how their abilities work.

Nothing has changed regarding this, Peter now has a better understanding of things, not of powers, unless he starts chopping heads.

it still makes peter with a higher battle iq than he usually has. His idiocy was his only weakness.

helpmenow316
10-07-2008, 10:06 PM
It going to take him to a new level of power ..so i kinda of like it...

What i dont like is that it looks like the heroes gene was sciences made instead of evolution

Falco-san
10-07-2008, 10:07 PM
It going to take him to a new level of power ..so i kinda of like it...

What i dont like is that it looks like the heroes gene was sciences made instead of evolution

Not all of them, some are trough evolution, some are created.
Adam Monroe is proof of this.

HumanWine
10-07-2008, 10:27 PM
If PIS is somewhat off, Peter is fukking broken as hell. He should be killed off or retconed a couple of times before Heroes turns into some story straight from the bible with Peter playing a severely plot raped God.

Jotun
10-08-2008, 05:40 AM
Actually no, technically Peter doesn't NEED to cut people open. He absorbs abilities a different way and should be able to come to complete understanding from his own brain. Plus it makes him understand more things I guess. I think it was a good move. You could argue already that Peter was a Gary Stu, imagine if he ever somehow got the hatians ability.

It helps create a relationship with Sylar in the long run.

Ziip
10-08-2008, 11:26 AM
Actually no, technically Peter doesn't NEED to cut people open. He absorbs abilities a different way and should be able to come to complete understanding from his own brain. Plus it makes him understand more things I guess. I think it was a good move.

I agree with this...
example is when he first met Dalphine in Bennet house... he immediately knew he have new power and how to use it...

Mawashi Geri
10-08-2008, 11:29 AM
Not all of them, some are trough evolution, some are created.
Adam Monroe is proof of this.

Agreed - I don't think feudal Japan had genetic manipulation studies....

uchiha-alia
10-08-2008, 12:48 PM
This move was obviously supposed to give peter some conflict of his own, but im not too sure. Sylar has lost all uniqueness and the reason peter needed these powers needs to be good enough for me to be convinced that this was worth it, because if it isnt, then i will look back at this as the worst possible decision from the writers.

Mawashi Geri
10-08-2008, 12:55 PM
...Sylar has lost all uniqueness and the reason peter needed these powers needs to be worth it before i can be convinced that this was worth it...

Well it was either give Peter Sylar's ability or have Sylar take Hiro's or Peter's. Someone with the ability to travel through time needs Sylar's ability to understand complex situations and the cause and effect of certain decisions. Frankly I'm glad Peter and Hiro are still alive....

uchiha-alia
10-08-2008, 01:01 PM
Well it was either give Peter Sylar's ability or have Sylar take Hiro's or Peter's. Someone with the ability to travel through time needs Sylar's ability to understand complex situations and the cause and effect of certain decisions. Frankly I'm glad Peter and Hiro are still alive....

Well we dont exactly know WHY Sylars power is needed, the explanation to that, for me, is what may or may not convince me that it was worth Sylar losing his uniqueness for.

Mawashi Geri
10-08-2008, 01:34 PM
I thought they already made it known that it was needed to understand the complexities of altering the space time continuum .. *shrugs*

Jetstorm
10-09-2008, 03:38 AM
I don't think it ruined Heroes. It gave Peter and Sylar something to relate on I suppose and gives Peter a conflict to resolve. It depends on how they play it from here. If they basically make it so Peter is Uber God mode now then it may be a problem.

Broleta
10-09-2008, 05:44 AM
You can't judge it until you see how it plays out in my opinion.

handofjustice
10-10-2008, 07:11 AM
Now all Sylar has to do is play with Peters brain and they should be about even.

chaosakita
10-11-2008, 03:07 PM
Let's wait some time. It's too early to tell. Maybe the writers will be able to pull this off well.