Zabuza vs CS2 kid Sasuke

[<<Slug>>]

Zabuza vs CS2 kid Sasuke

Each has basic knowledge of each other, as in fighting style, but that's it. Zabuza still has his sword, and everything he has shown so far.

The place is the Vally Of The End where Sasuke fought Naruto, 20m apart, who do you think would win?

(i was just having this conversation with a friend of mine and i was telling him that Zabuza would pwn Kid CS2 Sasuke....so i was just wondering what do yall think.....and plz give a reason why u think that person u picked would win)

[Dman]

zabuza loses...........

[Vangelis]

-Zabuza creates mist
-Sasuke shivers in fear
-Zabuza is merciful and cuts his head off quickly
-Zabuza wins

It saddens me that the ninja who once defeated Konoha's top Jounin is being matched against 12 year old kids who are obviously outclassed by him.:pek

[<<Slug>>]

thank u...that is my point.....CS2 kid Sasuke has no chance against Zabuza

[mootz]

zabuza stomps lil sasuke

[Chainer]

zabuza loses...........

How do you figure?

-Zabuza creates mist
-Sasuke shivers in fear
-Zabuza is merciful and cuts his head off quickly
-Zabuza wins

It saddens me that the ninja who once defeated Konoha's top Jounin is being matched against 12 year old kids who are obviously outclassed by him.:pek

I agree, I don't believe that there's anything that Sasuke can really do once Zabuza summons the mist. The only reason Kakashi was able to circumvent it was through smell/hearing.

[Nodonn]

Sasuke runs at Zabuza with a chidori.

Zabuza grabs his wrist and cuts his head off.

[Shinsengumi]

Zabuza will use Kirigakure no Jutsu to form a mist so even with the Sharingan, CS2 Sasuke won't see him. Due to this, Sasuke would most likely attempt to go airborne, however Zabuza blitz him and finishes it off with a quick slash through his vital organs.

[Juracule Mihawk]

Haku was already stronger than Zabuza, with all do respect but CS2 Sasuke, kid or not, he will kill Zabuza.

[Sephiroth]

Okay based on logic instead of fan speculation, Zabuza uses mist, and water techniques, while Sasuke uses a weaker Sharingan, CS2, Chidori, and fire techniques.

If Zabuza was to use his mist to conceal himself, Sasuke would Grand fireball to clear the mist, we know Sasuke is skilled, and does use his head in combat, so he would think to do this. Through Sasuke is at a disadvantage due to location, because of all the water Zabuza has at his disposal, Zabuza still is rather slow at casting his jutsu. As long as Sasuke isn't foolish enough to get in close to Zabuza and get chopped in half, or caught in a water prison, he outclases Zabuza in speed and power due to the Sharigan/CS2.

Aside from the fight with Naruto, Sasuke observes his opponent before fighting, and has the Sharigan to see the movements of the sword swings and his ability to fly over his water vortex or dragon. He also carries tools with him, such as his wire and windmill shuriken, while Zabuza only carries his sword.

I would have to give this fight to Sasuke, as badass as Zabuza was, Sasuke's techniques, combined with CS2 gives him a big advantage over him.

[Chainer]

Okay based on logic instead of fan speculation, Zabuza uses mist, and water techniques, while Sasuke uses a weaker Sharingan, CS2, Chidori, and fire techniques.

If Zabuza was to use his mist to conceal himself, Sasuke would Grand fireball to clear the mist, we know Sasuke is skilled, and does use his head in combat, so he would think to do this. Through Sasuke is at a disadvantage due to location, because of all the water Zabuza has at his disposal, Zabuza still is rather slow at casting his jutsu. As long as Sasuke isn't foolish enough to get in close to Zabuza and get chopped in half, or caught in a water prison, he outclases Zabuza in speed and power due to the Sharigan/CS2.

Aside from the fight with Naruto, Sasuke observes his opponent before fighting, and has the Sharigan to see the movements of the sword swings and his ability to fly over his water vortex or dragon. He also carries tools with him, such as his wire and windmill shuriken, while Zabuza only carries his sword.

I would have to give this fight to Sasuke, as badass as Zabuza was, Sasuke's techniques, combined with CS2 gives him a big advantage over him.

Ironic that you should mention fan speculation.

There's nothing to prove that the mist would be dispersed by that sort of technique. Even if it can, I don't see why Zabuza wouldn't just use the opening created by Sasuke having to clear the mist to get in a few attacks - or just use his silent killing technique, perhaps? Then, should the mist get cleared, just cast it all over again and whittle him down.

[Truepotential]

If this is any version of Post-Sasuke, then Zabuza gets raped in the ass in less than half of a milisecond, if its Pre-Sasuke, who's only about high chunin till low jounin, then Zabuza who's high jounin tier, shit all over his ass.

Either way its a rape, and explaination really isn't needed.

[iander]

Sasuke was barely elite jounin lvl after the timeskip. What makes you think barely chunnin Sasuke could do anything. In terms of speed, Sasuke is incredibly outclassed. Case in point, Kakashi manhandling both Sasuke and Naruto at the same time in their rooftop battle. Next, Sasuke has fire techniques while Zabuza has water techniques so another advantage to Zabuza. He can also use mist to nullify the advantage of the sharingan. In what way would this be a fair fight? Sasuke's only chance is with a chidori which he will never land since even Kakashi needed Zabuza to be caught to use his raikiri on him.

[Truepotential]

Sasuke was barely elite jounin lvl after the timeskip. What makes you think barely chunnin Sasuke could do anything. In terms of speed, Sasuke is incredibly outclassed. Case in point, Kakashi manhandling both Sasuke and Naruto at the same time in their rooftop battle. Next, Sasuke has fire techniques while Zabuza has water techniques so another advantage to Zabuza. He can also use mist to nullify the advantage of the sharingan. In what way would this be a fair fight? Sasuke's only chance is with a chidori which he will never land since even Kakashi needed Zabuza to be caught to use his raikiri on him.

I lol'd real hard, even without absorbing Orochimaru, he was stated to be stronger than KN3 that eats Kabuto, an elite jounin for breakfast with just his chakra. With one shunshin, he blitzed Team Yamato before they could react, and owned Yamato by playing around, those are feats much above elite jounin, all in his base form. With Orochimaru absorbed he basically gained an Orochimaru bonus that was inside him, comparing him to an elite jounin is a joke.

[Sephiroth]

Ironic that you should mention fan speculation.

There's nothing to prove that the mist would be dispersed by that sort of technique. Even if it can, I don't see why Zabuza wouldn't just use the opening created by Sasuke having to clear the mist to get in a few attacks - or just use his silent killing technique, perhaps? Then, should the mist get cleared, just cast it all over again and whittle him down.

It's scientific fact that heat clears mist, so the fire would clear alot of the heavy mist. He also could fly out of the mist if needed, and use it from the air, where Zabuza couldn't even reach him.

It all is still speculation yes, I just put down the facts of the techniques they had at the time, and made the best choice based on the situtation. I believe without CS2, yes Zabuza would win hands down, due to his experience. During the time before CS2, Sasuke had also gained a full sharingan.

Age and rank seems to be what people keep bringing up the reason for winning this fight, thats true fan speculation.:hmpf

Each has basic knowledge of each other, as in fighting style, but that's it. Zabuza still has his sword, and everything he has shown so far.
So he would expect an attack from behind.

[Chainer]

It's scientific fact that heat clears mist, so the fir-

Stopped reading here. Scientific fact has no weight in an argument about a manga where people can do all sorts of ridiculous things.

[Sephiroth]

Stopped reading here. Scientific fact has no weight in an argument about a manga where people can do all sorts of ridiculous things.

:laugh
Naruto still follows the basics of a real environment and human anatomy, but if you want to play like that.

Sure Zabuza can take a Chidori through the heart, survive and chop Sasuke in half, and go home happy. :facepalm

[iander]

I lol'd real hard, even without absorbing Orochimaru, he was stated to be stronger than KN3 that eats Kabuto, an elite jounin for breakfast with just his chakra. With one shunshin, he blitzed Team Yamato before they could react, and owned Yamato by playing around, those are feats much above elite jounin, all in his base form. With Orochimaru absorbed he basically gained an Orochimaru bonus that was inside him, comparing him to an elite jounin is a joke.

You can lol all you want but it was clear Oro was riling up Naruto to see how far he could go. Oro didnt say Sasuke is stronger than you, he said you'll have to do better than that to catch up to Sasuke. It was clearly baiting Naruto. Team Yamato was far from defeated when Sasuke retreated and in fact Yamato himself said it was time to get serious so he was only playing around the whole time. Either way post-sasuke has nothing to do with this thread which is trying to prove that a way outclassed Sasuke has a chance to beat Zabuza.

[nordic]

Sasukes cs gives him the edge over Zabuza.

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Zabuza most likely takes this even Kakashi (Lol Kakashi :zaru) with his Sharingan barely beat Zabuza an elite Jounin and he also has hidden mist to counter Sharingan. Post Skip Sasuke would raped Zabuza immediately though :blinditachi.

[Vangelis]

It's scientific fact that heat clears mist, so the fire would clear alot of the heavy mist. He also could fly out of the mist if needed, and use it from the air, where Zabuza couldn't even reach him.

It all is still speculation yes, I just put down the facts of the techniques they had at the time, and made the best choice based on the situtation. I believe without CS2, yes Zabuza would win hands down, due to his experience. During the time before CS2, Sasuke had also gained a full sharingan.

Age and rank seems to be what people keep bringing up the reason for winning this fight, thats true fan speculation.:hmpf


How exactly can Sasuke harm Zabuza in the mist? If Sasuke uses Katon to clear it, Zabuza could simply recast it again. It doesnt matter if "Sasuke isnt foolish enough to get close to Zabuza". Zabuza in the blinding mist would have swiftly closed the distance and struck before Sasuke realized someone had gotten behind his guard. Zabuza's specialty is silent and quick. Without any known advanced tracking abilities (or summons that can track), how can Sasuke effectively perceive Zabuza's movements in the blinding mist? Unless your tying to imply that (SRA) Sasuke was just as resourceful and skilled as Pre Kakashi, I dont see how you figure Sasuke can win this. Sasuke is clearly outmatched...plus the given location puts Pre Sasuke at an even greater disadvantage.

Zabuza rapes.

[the box]

zabuza rapes he was almost equall to kakasi and his skills kicked ass

[zabuza666]

Zabuza doesn't even need to use any ninjutsu, he just runs up and rapes Sasuke. Zabuza's skills, speed and strength were on par with a pre-skip Kakashi; and pre-skip Kakashi easily outclasses/out-speeds sasuke, as seen in the roof-top battle.

[Sephiroth]

I'll end this with what Zabuza himself said, Zabuza said that Haku was stronger then him, Naruto drew about his kyuubi chakra for the first time and defeated Haku. CS2 Sasuke defeated Naruto using way more of Kyuubi's chakra then what was used against Haku.

I don't know anyway to put it to someone who won't even listen to reason, so I'll put it in power levels. :facepalm

CS2 Sasuke>1TK Naruto>Haku>Zabuza

[zabuza666]

I'll end this with what Zabuza himself said, Zabuza said that Haku was stronger then him, Naruto drew about his kyuubi chakra for the first time and defeated Haku. CS2 Sasuke defeated Naruto using way more of Kyuubi's chakra then what was used against Haku.

I don't know anyway to put it to someone who won't even listen to reason, so I'll put it in power levels. :facepalm

CS2 Sasuke>1TK Naruto>Haku>Zabuza

Lets do it your way then. Zabuza beat Kakashi when they originally fought but was saved by clever moves by the rest of team 7. It's a well known fact that Kakashi is far stronger/faster/generally better then Sasuke as seen in the roof top fight where he was able to effortlessly blitz Naruto/Sasuke.

Zabuza>Kakashi>Sasuke

Please gtfo. :nuts

[Proxy]

I'll end this with what Zabuza himself said, Zabuza said that Haku was stronger then him, Naruto drew about his kyuubi chakra for the first time and defeated Haku. CS2 Sasuke defeated Naruto using way more of Kyuubi's chakra then what was used against Haku.

I don't know anyway to put it to someone who won't even listen to reason, so I'll put it in power levels. :facepalm

CS2 Sasuke>1TK Naruto>Haku>Zabuza

In Naruto A > B and B > C doesn't mean A > C. Unless you want to say that someone on Kakashi's level would lose to Sasuke, then you've failed.

[Sephiroth]

In Naruto A > B and B > C doesn't mean A > C. Unless you want to say that someone on Kakashi's level would lose to Sasuke, then you've failed.

You don't get the point I was trying to put, I had presented basic facts and abilities, and people automaticly said Zabuza won because his rank and ability that Sasuke is already suppose to be aware of according to the maker of this thread. Sasuke full sharingan showed he could keep up with the intense speed of Kyuubi Naruto.

Sasuke during the rooftop fight did not have full sharingan, nor CS2 to prove that he couldn't keep up with Kakashi's speed.

I didn't mean anything by the power level comparisons, I like Zabuza better then Sasuke, but you can't reason when someones favorite character is in the fight. zabuza666 ZabuzaDemonGod

[zabuza666]

You don't get the point I was trying to put, I had presented basic facts and abilities, and people automaticly said Zabuza won because his rank and ability that Sasuke is already suppose to be aware of according to the maker of this thread. Sasuke full sharingan showed he could keep up with the intense speed of Kyuubi Naruto.

Sasuke during the rooftop fight did not have full sharingan, nor CS2 to prove that he couldn't keep up with Kakashi's speed.

I didn't mean anything by the power level comparisons, I like Zabuza better then Sasuke, but you can't reason when someones favorite character is in the fight. zabuza666 ZabuzaDemonGod

I think you fail to understand the monstrous gap between special jounins like Kakashi and chunnins like Sasuke. Even if Sasuke got CS2/3-Tomoe Sharingan, he would still be miles behind Kakashi and thus miles behind Zabuza. A perfect example is gaara, who beat Kimimaro who was>>>>KN0 Naruto, yet his sand was easily dispersed by Gai; someone said to be on Kakashi's level.

[Roland]

Oh dear lord, this topic is serious?

Zabuza is going to mop the floor with Sasuke rather quickly, no matter how much fan hype there is. For one, this is Sasuke pre-skip, not post-skip. All the experiance he gained when training with Orochimaru over the 2.5 year timeskip is now negated. Sasuke is simply lacking the experiance to defeat Zabuza, who's going to trump Sasuke in almost every aspect of being a ninja.

As for Haku being stronger than Zabuza, that may be true. Zabuza lacked any really powerful moves to destroy the Ice Mirrors, which Haku may be able to get around Zabuza if he is lucky. In all honesty, Sasuke lost the fight against Haku and would've been killed rather quickly had it not been for Naruto. Anyway, ABC logic doesn't apply here at all.

[Sephiroth]

I think you fail to understand the monstrous gap between special jounins like Kakashi and chunnins like Sasuke. Even if Sasuke got CS2/3-Tomoe Sharingan, he would still be miles behind Kakashi and thus miles behind Zabuza. A perfect example is gaara, who beat Kimimaro who was>>>>KN0 Naruto, yet his sand was easily dispersed by Gai; someone said to be on Kakashi's level.
The Sound five were at the age of average chunnin, yet they defeated Jonin level ninja, while being beaten by Chunnin ninja. When Gai dispresed the sand, this was a Gaara who was beaten down with alot of his chakra drained.

Kakashi was handicapped during the fight, having to protect the bridge builder and his students, unable to fight Zabuza to the best of his ability. He still over came Zabuza showing he was a much more capable ninja then Zabuza.

I'm not trying to prove that Sasuke could defeat Kakashi, I'm trying to prove that Sasuke can defeat someone Kakashi beat while handicapped.



As for Haku being stronger than Zabuza, that may be true. Zabuza lacked any really powerful moves to destroy the Ice Mirrors, which Haku may be able to get around Zabuza if he is lucky. In all honesty, Sasuke lost the fight against Haku and would've been killed rather quickly had it not been for Naruto. Anyway, ABC logic doesn't apply here at all.

I was actually trying to make fun of it, people were saying because Zabuza put up a good fight against Kakashi, that he automaticly wins against Sasuke.

Is what is said.
Zabuza=Kakashi>Sasuke
So I was seeing if I could simplify it for them to better understand my point. Sasuke had during the Chunnin exams learned alot more then how unexperienced he was during Zabuza's arc. He was personally taught by Kakashi learning to be more resourceful, the Chidori, and learning Rock Lee level taijutsu.

[Csdabest]

Sasuke pre sharingan raped 5 ot 6 1/10 Zabuzas clones. Pretime Chuunin Sasuke has a chance. Now with Curse and full Sharingan. Zubuza would loose. Kakashi was out of shape i beleive he admited so when he swaured off with Kabuto in the hospital.

[iander]

Water>Fire
Mist>Sharingan
Jounin>Chunnin
Zabuza speed> Sasuke Speed
Zabuza strength> Sasuke strength
Zabuza experience> Sasuke experience

Zabuza has every possible advantage and he will stomp here.

[Ibb]

Zabuza's greatest weapon isn't his jutsu's, it's his killing intent. If Sasuke makes even a small mistake he's dead. This is true of Post-Sasuke, even Hawk Sasuke would lose to Zabuza unless he uses MS at the very start of the fight, which he doesn't.

Some people say that Sasuke's a very smart ninja, this isn't true. Sasuke isn't smart, the sharingan sees through most other ninja. Sasuke hasn't out smarted any of his opponents, notice that v. Hachibi (a ninja that's strong v. the Sharingan) Sasuke acted like a fool but v. Deidara (a ninja with moves that can be read by the sharingan and studies his enemies before he attacks) he was smarter then Shikamaru.

Amaterasu is the only thing Sasuke's show that could beat the mist jutsu, and after use it leaves Sasuke wide open because of the pain.

[Ashiya]

Zabuza's jounin level, and furthermore his Kirigakure no Jutsu is able to counter Sasuke's sharingan; he'll go assasin style and end it fast.

[Inksplash]

You're putting a high mist jounin with a lake against sasuke with some extra chakra and scary wings.


Zabuza plz.

[Tenacious Lee]

lol not even fair, zabuza rips sauce's head off while reading a porn magazine

[the box]

^ so very true

[slickcat]

zabuza wins

[handofjustice]

Haku>>Zabuza, Naruto with no tails>>>>>>>Haku, Sasuke VOTE>Naruto 1 tail.

[Enclave]

Oh man, Zabuza stomps. It's not until after the skip that Naruto and Sasuke get to the level where they can take Zabuza.

I lol'd real hard, even without absorbing Orochimaru, he was stated to be stronger than KN3 that eats Kabuto, an elite jounin for breakfast with just his chakra.

He was stated to be stronger than KN3 by an Orochimaru who was trying to provoke Naruto. You can hardly take that seriously.

[shiner]

I'm starting to think it wouldn't be impossible for Sasuke to actually take this, as ridiculous as that sounds :zaru

He was stated to be stronger than KN3 by an Orochimaru who was trying to provoke Naruto. You can hardly take that seriously.

It's stated in the manga. It beats peoples opinions on the matter who chose to go against the statement :lmao

[Enclave]

I can never understand why some people trust a villains words completely. Honestly, you would think they would have seen villains lie often enough that they would stop trusting their word so much.

Besides, if you'll notice. KN3 did far better against healthy Orochimaru than Sasuke did against near-dead Orochimaru.

[Juracule Mihawk]

I can never understand why some people trust a villains words completely. Honestly, you would think they would have seen villains lie often enough that they would stop trusting their word so much.

Besides, if you'll notice. KN3 did far better against healthy Orochimaru than Sasuke did against near-dead Orochimaru.

Sasuke did only stare at him, how did he had a more diffecult fight? :amazed

[Roka]

Zabuza wins this fairly easily.

He creates the mist and even if somehow a Katon clears it, Zabuza is already behind him leaving a Mizu Bunshin in his place.

It's over.

[Enclave]

Sasuke did only stare at him, how did he had a more diffecult fight? :amazed

He did more than just stare at him. First he attacked him with the Chidori Sword. Then he cut Oro up (which really was part of Oro's plan), then he got paralysed by Oro and would have been killed if Oro didn't try to take over his body.

KN3 on the other hand reacted before Oro even knew what was happening and ripped off his face and arm in an instant and then swatted Kabuto away with a roar like he was nothing.

Naruto's performance there was far superior to Sasuke's. The impression I got was that 3-tail Naruto likely could have potentially defeated a healthy Orochimaru while a CS2 Sasuke was at the mercy of a sick and dying Orochimaru (an Orochimaru by the way who was sick and dying thanks to his fight with Naruto).

Thing is though, in 3-tail state while Naruto was that powerful he wasn't in total control and he cannot stop himself from going into the 4-tail state and in 4-tail state it isn't really Naruto fighting anymore. So even though 3-tail could quite possibly have defeated Orochimaru, you couldn't really attribute the win to Naruto completely as mentally he is just on the verge of totally losing it. Of course if Naruto was in complete control while in a 3-tail state like Killer Bee is then it would be a different story, but as of that time Naruto wasn't totally in control and thus any win he could have potentially gotten couldn't really be totally attributed a win for him but more a win for the Kyuubi.

[shiner]

The impression I got was that 3-tail Naruto likely could have potentially defeated a healthy Orochimaru

:rotfl . Good lord :-(

KN3 did decent against healthy Orochimaru who was playing with him

[Enclave]

And what evidence do you have that Oro was playing with Naruto? Because of how he was acting? He acted very similarly when he was fighting against Jiraiya and Tsunade. It's just how Oro acts because he's batshit insane.

[Juracule Mihawk]

And what evidence do you have that Oro was playing with Naruto? Because of how he was acting? He acted very similarly when he was fighting against Jiraiya and Tsunade. It's just how Oro acts because he's batshit insane.

What kind of proof do you have that Sasuke had diffeculty with Orochimaru? Maybe he didn't paralyzed, but he acted like that, because he has the hax Sharingan.

Sasuke: "You can't beat these eyes".

[shiner]

And what evidence do you have that Oro was playing with Naruto? Because of how he was acting? He acted very similarly when he was fighting against Jiraiya and Tsunade. It's just how Oro acts because he's batshit insane.

As batshit insane as he is. He's still an exceptionally calculative shinobi & he even said himself he considered it playtime. And as Kabuto said further they had good reason to not kill them .

[Naruto]

Zabuza has experience, mist, basic jounin level speed, a weapon which I doubt Sasuke could have any chance of blocking, and moderately powerful suiton jutsu going on for him.

CS2 kid Sasuke can't defeat Zabuza. Post skip, he probably would.

[Sephiroth]

Zabuza wins this fairly easily.

He creates the mist and even if somehow a Katon clears it, Zabuza is already behind him leaving a Mizu Bunshin in his place.

It's over.

He already has knowledge of this technique, which he would be expecting a attack from behind, which gets rid of Zabuza's edge over Sasuke. He could easly use a replacement jutsu, or counter with a Black Chidori, this most likely would catch Zabuza off guard, meaning he probly would not be able to escape because Sharingan would predict his evade movement.

I do believe in my heart of hearts, Sasuke has a chance of winning this, due to the fact that he has knowledge of Zabuza's most useful technique against him. If the OP had said they knew nothing at all about each other, I would of said Zabuza wins hands down.

Sasuke was almost able to keep up with Haku who was faster then Zabuza, even before he had 3 Tomoe-Sharingan, CS2, and Taijutsu speed the level of Rock Lee's. Without the mist, Zabuza is beaten in speed and killing power of Jutsu. Zabuza's only chance without the mist is holding him down in a water prison, since he would never hit Sasuke swinging his slow sword, nor does he carry any tools with him. While Sasuke could stay away using Fuuma Shuriken, combined with wires and fire.

[Juracule Mihawk]

Sasuke CS2 was on par with KN1 Naruto, Zabuza is here overestimated.

Sasuke can fly, take that. :sun

[durtycheese]

i think sasuke would win with high amount of difficulty... his CS2 powers give him a hgue boost just enough to kill zabuza and dodge his attacks.

[Matto-sama]

sasuke gets raped... post-sasuke vs. zabuza would be more of a fight...

[Amatérasu’s Son]

Haku was already stronger than Zabuza, with all do respect but CS2 Sasuke, kid or not, he will kill Zabuza.

No ABC logic without further evidence.

Zabuza's greatest weapon isn't his jutsu's, it's his killing intent. If Sasuke makes even a small mistake he's dead. This is true of Post-Sasuke, even Hawk Sasuke would lose to Zabuza unless he uses MS at the very start of the fight, which he doesn't.

Some people say that Sasuke's a very smart ninja, this isn't true. Sasuke isn't smart, the sharingan sees through most other ninja. Sasuke hasn't out smarted any of his opponents, notice that v. Hachibi (a ninja that's strong v. the Sharingan) Sasuke acted like a fool but v. Deidara (a ninja with moves that can be read by the sharingan and studies his enemies before he attacks) he was smarter then Shikamaru.

Amaterasu is the only thing Sasuke's show that could beat the mist jutsu, and after use it leaves Sasuke wide open because of the pain.

Actually this isn't entirely accurate. In truth this would be the worst technique to use against the Mist. Amaterasu acts on the first direct matter within the focus of the eye. If Sasuke can only see the mist then the mist will catch on fire and possibly engulf him with the black flames. With the Mangekyo the only technique that's viable is Susano'o. But this is preskip Sasuke.

I don't take this as ABC logic but a demonstration. The Sound 4 uses CS2 on Tokubetsu Jonin Raido and Genma and were exhausted afterwards indicating that though they won decisively they still barely won. Later they lost to high level genin. The power jump though substantial isn't in itself decisive. I think frankly Zabuza can deal with it.

Tactically this battle is in Zabuza's favor. Lots of water and a basic knowledge of his opponent's abilities. Furthermore he's seen the Chidori and knows how it operates.

Sasuke loses a Taijutsu fight and the Genjutsu fight, and at this stage he wasn't using Genjutsu yet. Flight is a powerful tool but he can't sky patrol like Deidara due to the damage that the CS2 state does to him.

Experience doesn't matter as much as fighting style, and Zabuza's is superior in this case.

[Sephiroth]

On the issue of the Katon clearing the mist, because noone would listen to logic, I found that Kakashi's mist was cleared by Itachi's Katon Goukakyuu no Jutsu. :edu

[Vangelis]

^^^When did that happen in the manga?

[Sarutobi_Sasuke]

depends on the location... if there is no water source present then cs2 sasuke with ease...

if there is then sasuke with some difficulties but not much... concidering his sharingan gives color to chakra he would eaily be able to see zabuza even if zabuza put up the mist...

and i don't see zabuza being able to counter chidori so...

[<<Slug>>]

the location is at The Final Valley

[Mégas Strategos]

Only time mist was cleared by a katon was in the fricking anime. Secondly, it was Kakashi who dispelled the mist if you watch clearly - not Itachi's katon.

Cs2 Sasuke gets totally owned by Zabuza. That's really the only logical conclusion. You think black chidori will do anything? He gets his throat slit very quickly. Zabuza is a master of assassination and took on pre-Kakashi. He won't get touched by cs2 Sasuke.

[Sephiroth]

Only time mist was cleared by a katon was in the fricking anime. Secondly, it was Kakashi who dispelled the mist if you watch clearly - not Itachi's katon.

Cs2 Sasuke gets totally owned by Zabuza. That's really the only logical conclusion. You think black chidori will do anything? He gets his throat slit very quickly. Zabuza is a master of assassination and took on pre-Kakashi. He won't get touched by cs2 Sasuke.

There was no indication that Kakashi dispelled the mist, that was the only evidence that I had though since noone would use logic that fire can clear mist. You think that Zabuza can keep up with CS2 Sasuke's speed, when Haku was already faster then he was? :huh

Like it was said before, Zabuza's chance is his attack from behind, but Sasuke is expecting that.

That's why I give this fight to Sasuke.

[the box]

you have to be nuts to say sasuke would win this battle

[durtycheese]

sasuke wins again... and his haters continue to bitch.

[Sarutobi_Sasuke]

you have to be nuts to say sasuke would win this battle

bitch all you want... but look at the facts...

zabuza has:

giant ass sword which slows him down immensely...
speed which is far inferior to kakashi's
water clones... which are completly useless against sasuke...
water jutsu...

sasuke has:
3 tamoe sharingan
cs2
katon jutsu... completly useless because of zabuza's water jutsu
chidori... zabuza has nothing to defeat this...



for zabuza to win this he would have to keep it mid-long range... which is something i don't see happening... its just not his style of fighting...

sasuke would completly rape zabuza in the taijutsu category which is what would make the big difference...

it isn't that sasuke is just a better ninja then zabuza... it is that sasuke just has pretty much a perfect counters to most of zabuza's arsenal...

[the box]

bitch all you want... but look at the facts...

zabuza has:

giant ass sword which slows him down immensely...
speed which is far inferior to kakashi's
water clones... which are completly useless against sasuke...
water jutsu...

sasuke has:
3 tamoe sharingancs2
katon jutsu... completly useless because of zabuza's water jutsu
chidori... zabuza has nothing to defeat this...



for zabuza to win this he would have to keep it mid-long range... which is something i don't see happening... its just not his style of fighting...

sasuke would completly rape zabuza in the taijutsu category which is what would make the big difference...

it isn't that sasuke is just a better ninja then zabuza... it is that sasuke just has pretty much a perfect counters to most of zabuza's arsenal...

his sharingan is usless here :edu against the mist which is usualy the first jutsu zabuza cast


you think pre skip sasuke can handle zabuza in tiajutsu :wha you must be on drugs.

zabuza chops his head off his less than 15 secound from the time he cast the mist. sorry sasuke isnt jonin lvl even in CS2

[<<Slug>>]

.......i thought i said Zabuza would win this thing already....(thought while Sasuke was fighting Naruto he was only using moves of the top of his head unlike Zabuza who plans his moves before making them also also Zabuza already know how the Sharingan works......Sasuke didn't know how to summon things back than and thats the only way how Kakashi won against Zabuza.......so there is no way Cs2 Sasuke could win)

[Enclave]

katon jutsu... completly useless because of zabuza's water jutsu
chidori... zabuza has nothing to defeat this...

Ok, the rest I ignored because well it's just pointless. Sasuke even at the very end of Part 1 is no match in the slighest for Zabuza. Remember, he's the equivilant to a low level Chuunin at that point while Zabuza is a fairly high level Jounin.

Now why did I single this out? Simply put how does Chidori trump Suiton jutsu? This isn't pokemon, lightning doesn't beat water in Naruto.

The way it seems to me is Sasuke's Katon's are rendered useless thanks to Zabuza's Suiton. Sasuke's one Raiton is defeated by Zabuza's superior Suiton capabilities.

This is just such an uneven match.