Suigetsu vs Neji

[Espada dupe]

Now we know Neji is a jounin in Konoha, but we don't know what rank Suigetsu is.

Each has basic knowledge of each other, as in fighting style, but that's it. Suigetsu still has Zabuza's sword, and everything he has shown so far. Same with Neji.

The place is the forest where Shikamaru fought Hidan, 20m apart, who do you think would win?

[•Sharingan Squid•]

With Zabuza's sword Suigetsu slices Neji up. No contest.

Without, it would be a bit tough, but Suigetsu would crush Neji in the end with the "huge piranha" wave :awesome

[Espada dupe]

I figured Neji would have a hard time hitting suigetsu's chakra points with his being able to change into water. :ruri

[•Sharingan Squid•]

Neji can't do a thing.

Kaiten and Taijutsu have basically no effect on Suigetsu.

[Kushina]

Suigetsu definitely. His water form means taijutsu is useless. Neji hasn't shown any skill outside Tai so he loses bad.

[TreeofSephri]

Neji. Suigetsu's massive sword is useless against Neji's defense. He would have to be blind to be hit by such a weapon. In all honesty, we have no idea what Jyuken would do against a opponent such as Suigetsu. Perhaps, the infusion of chakra might do damage? However, all of Suigetsu's attacks can easily be countered by Neji abilities.

[King Scoop]

I have to give it to Neji. I'm sure Suigetsu's is able to turn into water by using chakra. There has to be some sort of chakra network in place even when he's completely turned into water. Neji hits him with 64 strikes and it's over.

[Tobirama]

This is complete crap, Suigetsu has difficulty controlling his water, Neji sends one Jyuuken from long range and fucks his chakra control, leaving him a puddle before he runs in and blows him up. :vegetant :kaiten

[Zatoichi]

Tough one. Does Suigetsu have normal tenketsu? I mean, is he water masquerading as flesh and blood, or is he flesh and blood who changes into water?

[RaptorJesusDesu]

Water techniques aren't getting through kaiten, and he isn't beating that genius in close range combat.

I just have no idea if the chakra attack of gentle fist would hurt Suigetsu. I'd like to say yes but there's not much way of telling. Considering Suigetsu survived a pure chakra blast that would have completely disintegrated just about anyone else, there's a chance he wouldn't be affected. It also depends on if he has anything we could call a chakra circulatory system while he's in water mode. Presumably there IS chakra in the water, I mean it's ninjutsu. So there's a chance Neji could disrupt it.

I guess Neji could also use that weird windy fist attack. If you remove enough water from Suigetsu I imagine he has trouble using that technique.

[Tobirama]

Neji would fuck up Suigetsu's water control with one Jyuuken: that is what Neji does.

Like how he bust out of the Water Prison when "kage" Kakashi died.

[PaperMoon]

Close Range vs long/close range

I think it'd be draw or a tough win on one end. But I'm going to lean towards Neji, since as Danzou pointed out, he did burst through the water prison pretty easily. He's also probably
retained knowledge of Kisame's fighting style (which probably is very similar to Suigetsu), so Neji.
Yeah.

[Dman]

i see neji winning this.suigetsu kinda sucks:pek

[Cynic]

I see Suigetsu winning this with difficulty. I believe Neji would have problems attacking Suigetsu with his style of Taijutsu since Suigetsu can basically absorb physical attacks and doesn't seem to have basic tenketsu in his water form. I don't see Suigetsu getting any easy attacks in on Neji for a while either because of Kaiten, but eventually I see Neji getting tired out (Suigetsu's water form doesn't seem to use up much, if any chakra) and Suigetsu takes advantage with some kind of water jutsu.

[Illusions]

I believe Suigetsu should be able to win.

[NU-KazeKage]

i think the hyuugas are suigetsus natural enemy seeing as they can hurt chakra hopefully theyll fight

[shiner]

Neji would absolutely stomp. Even if Suigetsu scatters into water it's a jutsu and it uses up chakra. Neji would just destroy Suigetsu till he was a puddle.

Make the location a lake and then Neji would have some trouble

[Roland]

Without a water source, Suigetsu is going to be limited to his "normal" form and won't be able to go into his huge lake form and overwhelm Neji. That said, I still feel this fight is going to be very close but the winner is likely to be Neji. With the jyuuken, Neji doesn't need to land a direct hit on Suigetsu's tenketsu points to harm him, only to seal his chakra. Since each jyuuken is essentially a burst of chakra output from Neji's palm, if Suigetsu were struck by a strike of one, he'd be hurt regardless of his "liquid" form. It would only be a matter of time before Suigetsu wouldn't be able to retain his liquid form or would have his chakra points struck. The best way I can see him mounting an offensive is by wrapping his body, in liquid form, around Neji's to try and suffocate him. The only problem is that Neji is a holder of the Kaiten and would easily break free from Suigetsu's hold while damaging him more. All in all, it's going to be a battle of who hurts who first, and with Neji's style of attack, Byakugan, and kaiten, I don't see him losing.

EDIT: Doesn't the Byakugan allow Neji to see tenketsu points? Yes. It really doesn't matter if Suigetsu's form is that of liquid, since Neji will see his chakra points no matter the form he is in. Albeit, he may not be able to strike them right from the start, but the fact he can see them is still there.

[TreeofSephri]

Upon reexamination of the Hachibi vs. Hebi battle, I have no doubts that Neji would win this battle. Suigetsu was harmed by a pure blast of chakra. I believe that chakra is truly the key to beating Suigetsu and if that is the case then Neji can win. Albeit, he cannot create a chakra blast of that magnitude but since all his attack use chakra he can effectively wittle away at Suigetsu.

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Zabuza Sword cannot be beat :pek. Plus Suigetsu is made of water I doubt Neji's gentle fist style would hurt him :zaru.

[Nodonn]

First time I'm saying this:

Neji wins!


:zaru

[Roland]

Zabuza Sword cannot be beat :pek. Plus Suigetsu is made of water I doubt Neji's gentle fist style would hurt him :zaru.

And why do you doubt this? Jyuuken is the key to the Gentle Fist style. Jyuuken is a focused palm strike that inserts chakra from the Hyuga palm towards their opponent to damage their internal organs and seal their chakra points. Suigetsu, although being made of water, still should have chakra points or he wouldn't actually be able to fight let alone be a mass of liquid. Look closely at the Hachibi fight, where Suigetsu was blown apart by Killer Bee's bijuu beam. That blast was made from pure, raw chakra. It was effective in taking Suigetsu out of the fight, as it nearly killed him. A few well placed Jyuuken strikes should be effective in greatly harming Suigetsu to the point where he was in the Hachibi fight or until most of his chakra points are sealed. I've made it quite apparant Neji can, in fact, strike them.

[InfectedGuy]

Neji.
If there was a river for Suigetsu...then he rapes.

[Mégas Strategos]

Who says Suigetsu even has chakra points in the first place? Anyway he can turn any part of his body into water, so when Neji attacks a specific place, he turns that place into water... Not to mention he could probably move his chakra points around as he is essentially water.

Hachibi's Chakra Beam is a heck of a lot stronger then any jyuuken...it destroyed mountains and Suigetsu still lived. I don't think a jyuuken strike will do much.

[Roland]

Who says Suigetsu even has chakra points in the first place? Anyway he can turn any part of his body into water, so when Neji attacks a specific place, he turns that place into water... Not to mention he could probably move his chakra points around as he is essentially water.

Hachibi's Chakra Beam is a heck of a lot stronger then any jyuuken...it destroyed mountains and Suigetsu still lived. I don't think a jyuuken strike will do much.

Every living being in the Narutoverse has chakra points, since chakra is essential for a living creature in said world. Suigetsu has to have chakra points, or how would he be able to manipulate his body into water? He wouldn't. The databook states the method that Suigetsu turns himself into water is a jutsu, but it seems to act on it's own. You cannot perform a jutsu without chakra, thus Suigetsu has to have chakra to perform said technique. With chakra, comes chakra points, that Neji is able to see via Byakugan.

Furthermore, you're making it sound like Suigetsu can manipulate his body so effectively in a battle situation. Neji's jyuuken strike is one of the fastest attack speeds we've seen throughout the entire manga. In fact, the Hyuga attack speed is said to be the greatest in all of Konoha. I don't see how Suigetsu, who's never actualy manipulated his body to dodge an attack but rather turned himself into water as the attack struck, would be able to time his abilities so well to dodge the strike of chakra. A singular jyuuken wouldn't do much, I agree. But what of say, 20? 30? It doesn't take much chakra at all for Neji to fight with jyuuken so he'd likely be able to land multiple strikes once the fight starts to get heated. Suigetsu isn't immune to it, as we've seen by Hachibi's chakra blast, so eventually he'd feel the damage and be torn down.

[durtycheese]

i think neiji would win, suigetsu wont be able to touch neiji with his style of fighting.

[Mégas Strategos]

When Neji makes contact, all he touches is water...where would the chakra point be then? We have no idea how Suigetsu's biology works...tell me does Sasori have chakra points hmmm?

[Roland]

Sasori should have one chakra point, that being his heart container. It may be a bit more than one, but all of his chakra should be around that general area of concern. Though, that's a moot point since we aren't talking about Sasori.

When Neji strikes Suigetsu, and hits water, the chakra that follows along with the Jyuuken is going to attack Suigetsu's chakra and harm him. It's not the same as physically stricking him with your fist and attempting to do external damage to him. The style of fighting in which the Hyuga perform is far more adept and would prove to be damaging to Suigetsu, despite his liquid form.

[Rios]

In Suigetsu I trust

In Zabuza's sword I believe

All infidels drown in hell

Before The Mist's wrath they leave

[Mégas Strategos]

Even if neji is able to affect Suigetsu with Jyuuken, how is he going to get into range, when Suigetsu has a giant sword? Not to mention Suigetsu can increase his speed and strength. Neji does not have the speed to keep up even if he has superior taijutsu and Zabuza's sword, being large also has the sufficient range to keep Neji away.

[Roland]

Even if neji is able to affect Suigetsu with Jyuuken, how is he going to get into range, when Suigetsu has a giant sword? Not to mention Suigetsu can increase his speed and strength. Neji does not have the speed to keep up even if he has superior taijutsu and Zabuza's sword, being large also has the sufficient range to keep Neji away.

Don't forget, that Neji now has a long ranged jyuuken strike. Whether it closes chakra points or does internal damage is still yet to be seen, but judging from the way he used it against Kisame, it wouldn't do much damage to Suigetsu. However, he'd be able to throw Suigetsu off balance or disarm him with such a move so that the battle then becomes close ranged, in which Neji is virtually untouchable against Suigetsu.

Suigetsu can increase his speed and strength? I've never seen it. The only time he's increased any part of his body was his arm, which increased his slicing power, but that wouldn't really do any good against Neji who wouldn't fall victim to Suigetsu's linear and predicatable strikes. Also, Neji's kaiten should've gotten larger of the time-skip, and if timed right, he'd be able to stop an attack, disarm Suigetsu, harm Suigetsu, and throw Suigetsu off guard with one move. I just don't see any way Suigetsu is landing a blow on Neji where as Neji has a viable way to defeat Suigetsu, and judging by his abilities, it's likely Neji pulls it off.

[the box]

Neji can't do a thing.

Kaiten and Taijutsu have basically no effect on Suigetsu.

kiaten would make sure segetsu wont be touching him

and his gentle fist would make segetsu pop like a zit he would be insta dead hes like a big swirl of chakra

[•Sharingan Squid•]

Kaiten is pretty much useless. If it was any good, Neji would have kaiten'd Kidoumaru's arrow off.

Any attack bigger than a simple kunai goes through. Zabuza sword halves Neji.

[TreeofSephri]

What are you talking about Neji's preskip Kaiten repelled KNO Naruto.

[the box]

Kaiten is pretty much useless. If it was any good, Neji would have kaiten'd Kidoumaru's arrow off.

Any attack bigger than a simple kunai goes through. Zabuza sword halves Neji.

if you paid atenton that chapter, kaiten saved him many times from not only the arrows but also the summons and he was untouchable until kido found his blind spot

segetsu wont be hitting neji unless he has kidos speed and precision

[iander]

Remember what happened to the puddle of water that Kisame tried against Neji? That is what will happen to Sui. Neji will release chakra all around him which will literally make sui explode if he goes into water mode.

[alexxb]

I think Neji would win.

[Demarian]

lets consider it like this. We can only assume that suigetsu has to pump chakra into himself to turn parts or all of him into water. Neji can see and disrupt all flows of chakra. In people, in objects. Neji can simply cut the flow of chakra off from all the parts suigetsu turns into water....wouldn't that make them just fall off. Neji would take apart suigetsu just like he would take apart the former zabuza sword holder...zabuza himself.

[•Sharingan Squid•]

if you paid atenton that chapter, kaiten saved him many times from not only the arrows but also the summons and he was untouchable until kido found his blind spot

segetsu wont be hitting neji unless he has kidos speed and precision

From kunai and tiny spiders. He never deflected any arrows.

Not good enough to defend against Zabuza sword, which is much, much heavier than any arrow.

[TreeofSephri]

You act as if Neji is dumb enough to waste vast amounts of chakra on deflecting Zabuza's sword. All you need to is move out the way. Also, you are wrong about Neji not using chakra to deflect the arrow. Neji used the chakra he normally emits from his body to sense attacks to alter one of the arrow's course, causing it to miss his vital area. Although the alteration was slight, it does show us that if Neji could move a arrow with the little bit of chakra he emits he could have easily deflected that arrow with his kaiten, which uses considerably more chakra and rotates.

[Agmaster]

Who here actually thinks Zabuza's sword is going to do anything more than get tossed away before the fight really starts?

You do? Over there? Ah, you're wrong. Sorry. He holds water in a human like form, to get close enough is to move INTO Neji's ideal range. Neji has no problem playing defensively. The sword is a decisive non factor.

[•Sharingan Squid•]

You act as if Neji is dumb enough to waste vast amounts of chakra on deflecting Zabuza's sword. All you need to is move out the way. Also, you are wrong about Neji not using chakra to deflect the arrow. Neji used the chakra he normally emits from his body to sense attacks to alter one of the arrow's course, causing it to miss his vital area. Although the alteration was slight, it does show us that if Neji could move a arrow with the little bit of chakra he emits he could have easily deflected that arrow with his kaiten, which uses considerably more chakra and rotates.

Altering the course of the arrow?

So then, the best Neji can do is get sliced into two... a few centimeters off where Suigetsu is aiming.

[iander]

Neji had trouble with the arrows cause they came at his blind spot at incredibly fast speeds and he still managed to avoid hits to his vital points. None of those apply to Sui's slow moving sword swings. He wouldnt need kaiten or chakra to dodge those easily.

[Intus Legere]

The whole point of Jyuuken style is aiming at inner organs. If Sui has those - and he surely does - Neji has the advantage, and will probably win in any dry terrain.

[•Sharingan Squid•]

Neji had trouble with the arrows cause they came at his blind spot at incredibly fast speeds and he still managed to avoid hits to his vital points. None of those apply to Sui's slow moving sword swings. He wouldnt need kaiten or chakra to dodge those easily.

Slow moving? It's not slow at all and the mass of the sword is bad for kaiten. Neji's own speed is less than impressive.

[kevkashi]

Zabuza Sword cannot be beat :pek. Plus Suigetsu is made of water I doubt Neji's gentle fist style would hurt him :zaru.

kakashi beat Zabuza with his sword. So yes his sword can be beat. Hachibi beat Seigetsu's ass with Zabuza sword so again it can be beat.

[kevkashi]

Who says Suigetsu even has chakra points in the first place? Anyway he can turn any part of his body into water, so when Neji attacks a specific place, he turns that place into water... Not to mention he could probably move his chakra points around as he is essentially water.

Hachibi's Chakra Beam is a heck of a lot stronger then any jyuuken...it destroyed mountains and Suigetsu still lived. I don't think a jyuuken strike will do much.

so then how does he do jutsu's? u need chakra points for chakra. u need chakra for jutsu's. Thus he has chakra points

[kevkashi]

Slow moving? It's not slow at all and the mass of the sword is bad for kaiten. Neji's own speed is less than impressive.

lmfao. rotflmfao. Neji speed is unimpressive? so u think team taka is just the greatest right. Karin can beat sakura, sei can beat neji, sasuke can beat chouji, naruto, kakashi and shikamaru all at the same time right.

[Jeαnne]

...i think that suigetsu wins :LOS

[maximilyan]

Seijutsu hasnt should much ability imo. i think neji would eat him, and still have room for dessert.

[Rescuebear]

Neji, his byakugan would be able to see whats up with Suigetsu's body and beat it.

[TreeofSephri]

Altering the course of the arrow?

So then, the best Neji can do is get sliced into two... a few centimeters off where Suigetsu is aiming.

You just ignored everything I was saying. If the chakra Neji normally emits could alter that arrow, then what exactly do you think will happen when Zabuza's sword is presented with a huge amount of spinning chakra? Neji's kaiten was able to deflect a charge from KN0 Naruto. Are you saying that Zabuza's sword is able to exert that much force?

[rldragon]

Neji wins.

[the box]

From kunai and tiny spiders. He never deflected any arrows.

Not good enough to defend against Zabuza sword, which is much, much heavier than any arrow.

he would simply dodge it nejis reaction speed is unnatural even for ninja

kiaten would knock that sword to kingdom kome

neji would beat this clown with ease

[Gentle Fist]

As long as Suigetsu's water form is based in chakra...Neji can disrupt it. Suigetsu is shit compared to Neji...compared to any high level ninja actually

[Petrie]

We know too little about Suigetsu, but he seems to be at a higher level than Neji.. Taking on Kisame without hesitation and all..

[kevkashi]

We know too little about Suigetsu, but he seems to be at a higher level than Neji.. Taking on Kisame without hesitation and all..

but he aint take on Kisame he just say he wants his sword and wants to fight him. And just because he wants to don't mean he would win. Naruto wanted to fight Oro in part one.

[Ibb]

I think that Suigetsu would be stronger without Zabuza's sword because his skill with it seems to be "average" at best. He's about a Jounin level ninja and he got that way without the sword. More practice with his fist.

Neji would still win of coarse. Gentle fist is broken.

[TreeofSephri]

I really have no idea how people are able to quanitfy Suigetsu level from what we have seen alone.

[the box]

neji pops him like a tennage zit with out taking any damage.

neji reacts way to fast for segetsu to even get close to land a hit on neji. even if he gets an opening ( he wouldent) neji could redirect the sword and still dodge just like he did to naruto