Goku (DBZ not GT) vs War Hulk

[Green Lantern]

Who would win?
Goku from the end of DBZ that is- no rubbish SSJ4 or any other bs DBGT stuff
VS
War Hulk- one of the stronger incarnations of the Hulk- managed to stop Juggernaut in his tracks and threw him a couple of miles

No planetary destruction allowed by either parties obviously- who would win?

Goku would be able to SSJ3 and Spirit Bomb Hulk from the relative safety of far up in the clouds- however would ki blasts be counted as radiation and could the Hulk absorb such energy/regenerate from such a devastating attack?

The Heat Will Be On!

[Ganj]

Man...this is an interesting one. Goku is one of my favorite characters, but that's to say, how would stand up against War Hulk?! And to be honest, I've never even seen War Hulk for that matter. So I'm completely in dark as to War Hulk's abilities so...but given that War Hulk is the strongest incarnation of the original Hulk....I'll go with Goku. Reason? Ascended Saiyan! He can "hulk out" to tremendous sizes himself if he wants, and that's not to mention SS2 and 3. So I guess I'm leaning more towards Goku.

....But the Hulk destroyed an asteroid BIGGER THAN the Earth.... :blink

[Insipidipity]

He's not the strongest(maybe top 3), and you've never even seen him...
He has weapons/armor, he's literally War, as one of Apocalypse's horsemen. He nearly decapitated Juggernaught and literally stopped him in his foot steps. Goku may be good, but he can't match up to that.

[Ganj]

He's not the strongest(maybe top 3), and you've never even seen him...
He has weapons/armor, he's literally War, as one of Apocalypse's horsemen. He nearly decapitated Juggernaught and literally stopped him in his foot steps. Goku may be good, but he can't match up to that.
On a physical level, "No". Goku cannot compete with Hulk. But thinking about the fight against Kid Buu, who was essentially 'nothing' in essense, Goku managed to take him out in the end. And to top that, Goku's energy levels are a totally different game than Hulk's. My wager is that a well-placed Super Dragon Fist followed up by a full-blast Warp Kamahameha would definately do some damage.

[hjkou]

ps: goku can fly, use instant transmission

not that it matters, seeing as he already moves at lightspeed (no he doesnt really, but im just saying that because he does move incredibly fast)

[Gooba]

War Hulk, he regenerates so well he makes Buu look like a leper. Stopping the Juggernaut is physically impossible, as in the laws of physics were rewritten to say he cannot be stopped, yet he did it.

[Insipidipity]

The hulk can jump into orbit not need to breathe, his body is strong enough to handle it, and he has insane accuracy at hitting fast moving targets. He can throw a rock and knock a supersonic jet out of the sky.

[Final Ultima]

War Hulk, he regenerates so well he makes Buu look like a leper.Which; in itself, is completely insane. Marvel creations are so proposterous, yet hilarious in their nigh-omnipotency.

[Takuza]

Goku would teleport behind the hulk, grab him, teleport to some far of plaent, and teleport back home. that way its a tie. other than taht....the hulk would continue to hit try and hit goku while goku dodges....but goku soon gets tired, so hulk wins.........

not that this matters...but is goku allowed to blow up HALF the panet??

[CrazyMoronX]

Goku would probably pull out his old time favorite trump card: Kamhemaheha into the sun. I doubt Hulk can neither get away from the sun since it has nothing physical to jump off of, and he could possibly be destroyed by it, who's to say?

Either way, Hulk will lie in the center of the sun for all eternity.

If he manages to come back from the sun, well Goku could teleoprt him into a black hole.

[sundis]

Actually a while ago there was a comic where Goku fought Superman. I forget who published it, but it obviously had DC comic's permission(among others). In the same comic Spiderman fought Vash the stampede.

Anyway superman was able to hold out and it looked like a good fight... until Goku went until SS-mode. After that I think Goku one-hit Superman with kamahame.

I dont think the Hulk in any variation can beat Superman let alone Goku. Keep in mind Goku can destroy planets.

War Hulk compared to the other Hulks is just a small/marginable power boost. Goku transforming multiplys his strength 100x's of times. Well according to some power charts.

[Insipidipity]

Didn't Hulk nearly destroy Earth as well. Either him or superman, but I'm pretty sure it was him.

Hulk has been hit by weapons designed to kill a god and survived... silly kamehameha wouldnt do jack.

[sundis]

It's possible; I dont follow Hulk much. But even in the marvel universe he's not that strong. He's strong in earth-terms. But beings like the silver-surfer and above are much stronger -- I think there's a power chart on collector cards, or even marvel's homepage.

Goku would probably be considered one of those other worldly heroes.

Superman I could see almost destroying earth -- in some comics he's crazy strong.

[Gooba]

It's possible; I dont follow Hulk much. But even in the marvel universe he's not that strong. He's strong in earth-terms. But beings like the silver-surfer and above are much strongerWho cares that SS and above are more powerful? Also, the Hulk is stronger than Galactus, in pure strength, and Galactus is way more powerful than the SS, whose sole source of power is a fraction of Galactus that was given to him. They would take Goku out in a fraction of a millisecond. It is like saying A>B and A>C, therefore B>C. Hulk is actually ridiculously strong, in any terms. He lifted 150 billion tons, the world's strongest heroes lift 100 tons.

After that I think Goku one-hit Superman with kamahame.Even if he did that is utter crap. Superman has taken way more powerful blows than that, and not even cared. Kamehame in SS1 mode can destroy a planet, he has taken way worse than that. Crossover comics are not reliable at all, they are worse than filler. Storm beat WW, that just isn't possible.

Nothing Goku can do would hurt the Hulk for long. Look at this, and the beam is stronger than a Kamehame.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2811/hulk7hp.gif
I want to point out that all he says when he comes back is "shut up and get me some pants"

He once got disembowled and decided to hold in his guts, and then his body healed so fast his hands actually got stuck inside him, and he had to rip them out and have it heal again.

Here are some feats of strength.
The Hulk in the secret wars lifted a mountain weighing 150 billion tons or 300 trillion pounds (300,000,000,000,000lbs).

The Hulk shattered a meteor twice the size of the Earth.

The Hulk has bent adamantium on several occaisions and I believe he destroyed captain americas shield in a what-if.

The Hulk Shattered Onslaughts armor which was probably the single strongest material to ever exist in the marvel universe.

The Hulk has taken on the avengers and won on several occaisions.

The Hulk has moved entire islands.

The Hulk has held open black holes and stretched fields of pure energy.

The Hulk destroyed the high evoluntionaries armor (a being so immortal he could't even kill himself, his armor always kept him alive so he picked a fight with the hulk in the hopes of dying)

The Hulk broke free of the crimson bands of cyttorak (something that held even galactus)All of that, except Maestro, was done by someone way weaker than War Hulk.

War Hulk compared to the other Hulks is just a small/marginable power boost. Goku transforming multiplys his strength 100x's of times. Well according to some power charts.The Hulk multiplys his strength 1500000000x times. So just because he doesn't turn blonde doesn't mean he can't power up. The madder he gets the stronger he gets, with no limit, none. Say Goku got as strong as the Hulk, then the Hulk would get stronger. Every punch he throws makes him stronger, even punch he takes makes him stronger. Goku is powerful, and gets more powerful as he fights, but he never got over a billion times stronger in a single fight.

[Takuza]

I agree with Gooba for the most part in the hulk winning this, but I do like the Idea of Goku blasting the hulk into the sun. as far as I know, the hulk couldn't do anything to stop it if goku got in the right spot. please do correct me if I am wrong however.

[Gooba]

I bet he would just keep getting pissed that he couldn't get out, and eventually get strong enough to get off just by pushing on the plasma.

There is no way for Goku to kill the Hulk, so even if, and that is a big if, the Hulk can't kill Goku, Hulk wins. Goku ages, the Hulk doesn't. Wolverine has lived for centuries, and his healing factor is way worse than Buu, who like I said is a leper compared to the Hulk.

For those of you saying Goku is too fast, SS is faster, way faster, and the Hulk was able to grab his board out of the air.

I wonder when Tsu will show up and pwn everyone with his awesomeness.

[Kamendex]

Goku would probably pull out his old time favorite trump card: Kamhemaheha into the sun. I doubt Hulk can neither get away from the sun since it has nothing physical to jump off of, and he could possibly be destroyed by it, who's to say?

Either way, Hulk will lie in the center of the sun for all eternity.

If he manages to come back from the sun, well Goku could teleoprt him into a black hole.

Teleport into the sun/blackhole? WTF? First of all, Instantaneous Movement needs a ki signature to lock on to, Gokuu is not gonna find that in a black hole. And even if he does teleport to one, he's a goner as well.

Gokuu is insanely weak compared to the Hulk, Base Gokuu in the Buu saga couldnt lift 40 tons...if Hulk gets his hands on Gokuu, Gokuu will be broken like a twig.

The only thing Gokuu has going for him is his speed, but what's speed going to do to someone Gokuu cant even harm?

[Takuza]

^ lol, true. Gooba

[Code]

Teleport into the sun/blackhole? WTF? First of all, Instantaneous Movement needs a ki signature to lock on to, Gokuu is not gonna find that in a black hole. And even if he does teleport to one, he's a goner as well.

Gokuu is insanely weak compared to the Hulk, Base Gokuu in the Buu saga couldnt lift 40 tons...if Hulk gets his hands on Gokuu, Gokuu will be broken like a twig.

The only thing Gokuu has going for him is his speed, but what's speed going to do to someone Gokuu cant even harm?
Base Goku can lift a lot more than 40 tons.

While having 160 tons + at least over 100x Gravity(making it over 16000 tons) on him, he was still able to fly in base form.

[Insipidipity]

Base Goku can lift a lot more than 40 tons.

While having 160 tons + at least over 100x Gravity(making it over 16000 tons) on him, he was still able to fly in base form.
16000 tons, even 16000000 tons(1000x more) is about 1000x less than what's just been stated. Thats a ridiculous difference in strength still.

The only people who'll be alive at the end of time will be Doomsday, Superman, the Hulk, and maybe Wolverine.

[GSurge]

Goku is strong... but the Hulk basically has no limiters. Goku still does have a limit. Hulk would have to win here, through sheer stubbornness.

[Gooba]

I have been researching Tsu's old posts, just to help out here and found this.

Absorbing man tried to absorb the power of War Hulk's sword and he exploded:rofl

While having 160 tons + at least over 100x Gravity(making it over 16000 tons) on him, he was still able to fly in base form.Still worthless. I thought Goku was way stronger than that. Literally nothing that someone that strong can do would even be noticed by the Hulk. His hardest punch would be like a gnat flying into a tank, except even less effective. And like I said, the Hulk is able to grab someone faster than Goku.

Also, even if he teleports the Hulk into a black hole, which he won't, the Hulk has held open black holes, and that is his weaker form.

[Code]

Holy crap, why I am even arguing here. I thought Goku was way stronger than that. .
And you thought right...

Physical strength really place less a role for Goku can those enhanced by moves like the kamehameha that amplifies his power (as shown in the first saga of DBZ).

[Takuza]

I would like to point out, that the hulk being 1000 times stronger than ss1 goku, is still only the hulk being stronger than SS1 goku. I am not sure how much more power going ss2 and ss3 gives you...but if its still the same 100x, then goku beats nrmal hulk in strength. but I am not sure about the power increase. and I also am not standing up for goku, as I believe the hulk would win.

[Gooba]

The only people who'll be alive at the end of time will be Doomsday, Superman, the Hulk, and maybe Wolverine.Don't forget Deadpool.

Physical strength really place less a role for Goku can those enhanced by moves like the kamehameha that amplifies his power (as shown in the first saga of DBZ).Still, it doesn't amplify his power 10000000 times.

[Kamendex]

Base Goku can lift a lot more than 40 tons.

While having 160 tons + at least over 100x Gravity(making it over 16000 tons) on him, he was still able to fly in base form.

Base Gokuu cannot lift more than 40 tons...look at the Buu Saga when he is training in the other world with Kaio-sama. Gokuu couldnt budge with the 40 tons of weights on him until he went SSj.

Gokuu never had 160 tons plus 100x gravity.....where in teh HELL did you get this?

[Code]

Base Gokuu cannot lift more than 40 tons...look at the Buu Saga when he is training in the other world with Kaio-sama. Gokuu couldnt budge with the 40 tons of weights on him until he went SSj.

Gokuu never had 160 tons plus 100x gravity.....where in teh HELL did you get this?
Yes, look at the Buu saga. When that one kaio-sama said he'd increase each of those things to 10 tons, then he then said try 40 tons on put it on both of his arms and legs. Goku was still flying.

Didn't Goku have trouble adjusting to the planet? (it might be filler.. not sure). While over 7 years before that, he was effortlessly fighting in 100x G.

[Gooba]

Lets pretend he can lift 16000 in base form, and each SS level increases it by 100x. Then he goes from 16000 to 16,000,000,000, which is 1/10 of the most the Hulk has ever been (I would like to point out that it is not his max)

[Ssj3_Goku]

Dude goku would house him.. no contest SSj3.. yea hulk gets owned.

[Kamendex]

Yes, look at the Buu saga. When that one kaio-sama said he'd increase each of those things to 10 tons, then he then said try 40 tons on put it on both of his arms and legs. Goku was still flying.

Didn't Goku have trouble adjusting to the planet? (it might be filler.. not sure). While over 7 years before that, he was effortlessly fighting in 100x G.

Nope reread it again, South Kaioshin increased it to 10 tons on each limb, making it 40 tons ALL TOGETHER. Not 40 tons on each limb....thats where you got confused...

Also, Gokuu was never affected by the gravity on other world...at all.

Gokuu could not lift 40 tons in base form...how sad.

But why I still dont get is, why do people use Gokuu vs blank, when Gokuu is not even close to being the strongest in his own series...?

Lets pretend he can lift 16000 in base form, and each SS level increases it by 100x. Then he goes from 16000 to 16,000,000,000, which is 1/10 of the most the Hulk has ever been (I would like to point out that it is not his max)

That's a problem....SSj is NOT a multiplier...in the Frieza saga it gave him a boost of about 13-14,000,000, which was roughly 40-50x is base. In the Buu Saga it gave him a MUCH bigger boost, but it was roughly 3.5-3.75x his base....

SSj is not a multiplier...it just adds on power.

[Code]

Lets pretend he can lift 16000 in base form, and each SS level increases it by 100x. Then he goes from 16000 to 16,000,000,000, which is 1/10 of the most the Hulk has ever been (I would like to point out that it is not his max)
Well it could very well be more than 16000... but as I said not sure if the adjusting to gravity is filler or not. I also know that the Kaio may be referring to the whole weight not just each particular unit (note: Goku is more than 1,000 stronger when he left for Namek than at the end of Cell also)

[Gooba]

Dude goku would house him.. no contest SSj3.. yea hulk gets owned.Please read at least a few of the posts in a thread before you jump in. At best Goku will win a long drawn out fight, but there is no way it would be a cakewalk. I still haven't seen anything to prove that Goku can even kill the normal Hulk even if he didn't fight back. If I pretend that Goku is 1000 times as strong as the Hulk's max (which doesn't exist) he still can't kill him.

Well it could very well be more than 16000... but as I said not sure if the adjusting to gravity is filler or not. I also know that the Kaio may be referring to the whole weight not just each particular unit (note: Goku is more than 1,000 stronger when he left for Namek than at the end of Cell also)Even so, the Hulk can power up more than that in a matter of minutes. If we assume that Goku is way stronger than the Hulk, once the Hulk doesn't beat him immediatly he is just going to get madder, and then grow strong enough to best Goku.

Hulk's peak strength = infinite, Goku's=finite. Hulk's regeneration=infinite, Goku's=0. Hulk's max age=infinite, Goku's=finite. Hulk's peak duribility=infinite, Goku's=finite.

[Kamendex]

Well it could very well be more than 16000... but as I said not sure if the adjusting to gravity is filler or not. I also know that the Kaio may be referring to the whole weight not just each particular unit (note: Goku is more than 1,000 stronger when he left for Namek than at the end of Cell also)

Read my post...

[GSurge]

That's why having no limiters is just bogus.

[Code]

After re-reading it. Yeah it was 40 tons on a whole. But he couldn't lift it? He was flying with 40 tons in blase form... he just said "oooh" changed to SS and was easily flying and doing his training some more.

That was the only chapter of him in the other world, so we don't know the gravity. Though it's safe to assume it's on another level. Considering that even North Kaio's small planet had gravity many more times than that of Earth . We also saw Goku training with 100x 7 years before that. He'd probably want to train as vigoriously as he can. But taht's just assume things. Then there' the fact that we don't know how much super saiyan amplifies his strength from base form. And chances are, and each new form may increase his power many times more than the previous.

[Kamendex]

After re-reading it. Yeah it was 40 tons on a whole. But he couldn't lift it? He was flying with 40 tons in blase form... he just said "oooh" changed to SS and was easily flying and doing his training some more.

That was the only chapter of him in the other world, so we don't know the gravity. Though it's safe to assume it's on another level. Considering that even North Kaio's small planet had gravity many more times than that of Earth . We also saw Goku training with 100x 7 years before that. He'd probably want to train as vigoriously as he can. But taht's just assume things. Then there' the fact that we don't know how much super saiyan amplifies his strength from base form. And chances are, and each new form may increase his power many times more than the previous.

Just said "oohh?" Gokuu was already levatating...then the Kaioshin changed his weights to 40 tons, which caused Gokuu to like hurle (sp?) over and not be able to move...so he HAD to go SSj, then he was moving in it easily..

There was no gravity that affected him in other world....even Kaiosama was walking on it normally...it was straight up 40 tons....they would've said otherwise if it wasnt...

We know in the Buu saga that SSj gives Gokuu a less than 3.75x boost....which is stupid cause Kaioken can give more, but obviously AT forgot about Kaioken when he made this....

Hulk lifted 150 billion tons....SSj3 probably gives Gokuu a good boost, probably allowing him to be able to lift 1000-1500 tons...

P.S. - People...SSj is NOT a multiplier...

[Takuza]

not to mention the improvement in strength since that. Goku trained for over 200 other world years, who knows how much average improvement he made. but once again, I belive that the hulk would win.

[Code]

Just said "oohh?" He couldnt LIFT it at all, that is why he HAD to go SSj...

There was no gravity that affected him in other world....even Kaiosama was walking on it normally...it was straight up 40 tons....they would've said otherwise if it wasnt...

We know in the Buu saga that SSj gives Gokuu a less than 3.75x boost....which is stupid cause Kaioken can give more, but obviously AT forgot about Kaioken when he made this....

Hulk lifted 150 billion tons....SSj3 probably gives Gokuu a good boost, probably allowing him to be able to lift 1000-1500 tons...

P.S. - People...SSj is NOT a multiplier...
He was technically lifting it by flying with it... only thing that happened was that he couldn't punch and kick at lightning fast speeds...

There was gravity on the norht kaio's planet.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6114/dbz0855im.jpg
10x. So on a planet where all the Kaio's gather(at least the North and West) and the strongest fighters in the universe train(at least the Northern universe...), won't you expect there to be more?


Well what was Goku's base on namek? I believe that his power level was stated to be 15,000,000 in the daizenshuu...((I can only take the word of a few websites who stated it was from the daizenshuus and it seems common power level for that form and I'm sure someone has to have it) i know had the daizenshuu argument before) and his max is either 180,000 with the kaioken or not.

Did War Hulk lift 150 billion tons?

[Kamendex]

He was technically lifting it by flying with it... only thing that happened was that he couldn't punch and kick at lightning fast speeds...

There was gravity on the norht kaio's planet.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6114/dbz0855im.jpg
10x. So on a planet where all the Kaio's gather(at least the North and West) and the strongest fighters in the universe train(at least the Northern universe...), won't you expect there to be more?


Well what was Goku's base on namek? I believe that his power level was stated to be 15,000,000 in the daizenshuu...((I can only take the word of a few websites who stated it was from the daizenshuus and it seems common power level for that form and I'm sure someone has to have it) i know had the daizenshuu argument before) and his max is either 180,000 with the kaioken or not.

Did War Hulk lift 150 billion tons?


Once again Kaiosama's planet was special, only 2 people have ever been there, and it isnt made easy to get to. The other world isnt special..any1 who dies, and is good is allowed to stay there.....look at all the weak people that would pass through and look at Kaiosama, they wouldnt be able to handle much higher gravity...not to mention it was never stated that it had higher gravity....infact why would they say it was 40 tons...if there was gravity that affected it?

Yes, in the diazenshuu's it has SSj Gokuu listed at 15,000,000 and Frieza 100% at 12,000,000 which cannot be anymore wrong seeing as how Frieza at 100% was stronger than SSj Gokuu.....dont forget our argument....the diazenshuu's are crap.

[Ssj3_Goku]

well when he poweres up into SSj3 hell the whole earth shakes.... yea thats powerful my friend.. Sorry but the hulk has no chance..

instant Trannsmission then kamehameha and hes out.. plus did we all forget how super kaio ken i am sure he can use that in ssj3 that would be insane!

sorry but from watching and reading dbz goku's character is the most powerful person i seen to date.

[Kamendex]

well when he poweres up into SSj3 hell the whole earth shakes.... yea thats powerful my friend.. Sorry but the hulk has no chance..

instant Trannsmission then kamehameha and hes out.. plus did we all forget how super kaio ken i am sure he can use that in ssj3 that would be insane!

sorry but from watching and reading dbz goku's character is the most powerful person i seen to date.

SSj3 Gokuu is nothing compared to Hulk...wow.

Kamehameha wont even HURT Hulk. And Gokuu cannot use Kaioken while in SSj...which is why he hasnt...the strain on his body would be enormous and he'd explode...

Also, Gokuu is nowhere near the strongest in his own series....would you like me to name all of the people that are stronger?

Super Buu 3 (Gohan Buu)
Super Buu 2 (Gotenks Buu)
Super Buu 1.5 (Piccolo Buu)
Buff Buu
Super Buu
Chou Gohan
SSj3 Gotenks
SSj Gotenks

Ya....

[Takuza]

Goku has NO WAY of killing the hulk. so how can he win???? impossible even he was stronger. but I thought of another way for a tie. since goku seems t obe able to teleport between deminisions ( when he teleports to king kais...) he could take the hulk into the time chamber thing up at kamis tower, and then destroy the door, the njust leave. or he could take him to any other random demision. doesn't matter.

[Lord Yu]

THe hulk would probably grab goku and break him while he's powering up. Since goku takes for freaking ever to power up

[Kamendex]

Goku has NO WAY of killing the hulk. so how can he win???? impossible even he was stronger. but I thought of another way for a tie. since goku seems t obe able to teleport between deminisions ( when he teleports to king kais...) he could take the hulk into the time chamber thing up at kamis tower, and then destroy the door, the njust leave. or he could take him to any other random demision. doesn't matter.


How many times do I have to say this O.o

Instantaneous Movement requires you to lock onto a ki signature before teleporting to it....

There are no ki signatures in the RoSaT, and you cant even sense anything in there from the outside...

[sundis]

Hulks power lies in his strength and durability, abliet at a very scary level. Aside from this fact the Hulk doesnt have much else.

Goku is not only strong but is also much, much faster. He is able to shoot projectiles from his hands/body/eye. The Hulk at best can throw heavy objects. I think he can clap and create sonic waves too...

Those things aside, Goku is a martial arts master. I'm probably stretching, but who's to say Goku can't blind Hulk and then hit a couple pressure points to incapitate him. Martial arts after all teaches that no matter how much bigger someone is, it's not about strength.

[Ssj3_Goku]

LOL!!! i cannot belive someone said he cannot use kao ken in ssj! he did in the buu saga for crying out loud.

ooo and if u talking about STR yes goku is the strongest.. BY HIMSELF all those characters u mentioned are either fused together or some way or another. plus goku said he could have defeated the fat buu in ssj3 but he wanted the other boys to give a shot on saving the world.

How many times do I have to say this O.o

Instantaneous Movement requires you to lock onto a ki signature before teleporting to it....

There are no ki signatures in the RoSaT, and you cant even sense anything in there from the outside...



he usese instant trannsmission pretty fast against kidd buu if u took notice.


THe hulk would probably grab goku and break him while he's powering up. Since goku takes for freaking ever to power up


forever? did u see how fast he went to ssj3 against super buu with gotenks in him? i rest my case.



wait i just read someone said ssj gotenks is stronger than goku 's ssj3? GOKU STATED he could do the same danm thing as those kids did when they wetn ssj3 he just compleneted them on how they did it at an early age.


Hulks power lies in his strength and durability, abliet at a very scary level. Aside from this fact the Hulk doesnt have much else.

Goku is not only strong but is also much, much faster. He is able to shoot projectiles from his hands/body/eye. The Hulk at best can throw heavy objects. I think he can clap and create sonic waves too...

Those things aside, Goku is a martial arts master. I'm probably stretching, but who's to say Goku can't blind Hulk and then hit a couple pressure points to incapitate him. Martial arts after all teaches that no matter how much bigger someone is, it's not about strength.

Correct.

[Kamendex]

LOL!!! i cannot belive someone said he cannot use kao ken in ssj! he did in the buu saga for crying out loud.

Wow time to rip this post apart...Gokuu used Kaioken in the other world tournament...which was FILLER...do you understand the concept of filler?

ooo and if u talking about STR yes goku is the strongest.. BY HIMSELF all those characters u mentioned are either fused together or some way or another. plus goku said he could have defeated the fat buu in ssj3 but he wanted the other boys to give a shot on saving the world.

Chou Gohan is by himself...and I never said Fat Buu was stronger than Gokuu...so why would you even bring that up?

he usese instant trannsmission pretty fast against kidd buu if u took notice.

That's funny....last time I checked Kid Buu was basically near Gokuu, which doesnt really require him to search for his ki signature....and last time I checked Kid Buu was not in a different dimension than Gokuu...

wait i just read someone said ssj gotenks is stronger than goku 's ssj3? GOKU STATED he could do the same danm thing as those kids did when they wetn ssj3 he just compleneted them on how they did it at an early age.

That someone would be me....Gokuu stated to Fat Buu that an even stronger fighter than himself would come to fight him (Gotenks, SSj Gotenks to be exact since Gokuu didnt even know the kids would be able to go SSj3). Gokuu later said that Super Buu would kill him and Vegeta....yet SSj Gotenks managed to damage Super Buu and put up a decent fight...

BTW ill be back in a couple of hours...i gotta go.

[Ssj3_Goku]

I am just saying goku is stronger and faster and has more ebilities than the hulk.. its common sense but people are going to fight againist it because its goku and alot of people dont like DBZ for reasons on in... O well .


*edit hey the pussys who neg repped me put ur name at the end.. well it wont matter in 100 + posts anyways.. senior member :) *

[Kamendex]

Gokuu is weaker than Hulk....this has been shown if you have been paying attention to this topic. First of all, Dragonball is my favorite manga and anime...so I dont HATE it, and Gokuu is my favorite character....but unlike yourself, I am not being ignorant, ignoring FACTS, and saying Gokuu would win because he is my favorite character.....

Now im out...

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ stronger possibly but str does not win a fight and so their for goku would win..

Ssj3 i dont see the hulk powering up and making the whole earth shake.

[Tsukiyomi]

^ stronger possibly but str does not win a fight and so their for goku would win..

Ssj3 i dont see the hulk powering up and making the whole earth shake.

Thats because the Hulk doesn't give off spirit energy when he powers up, the physics of the marvel universe work differently than the DBZ universe, so that point is meaningless.

Face it, there isn't anything Goku is going to be able to do to kill the Hulk. All he is going to be able to do is make him more and more pissed of. And the madder the Hulk gets, the stronger he gets, the more durable he gets and the faster he is able to heal (and his base healing is insane).

One big factor is endurance, the Hulk can literally go on forever, he is powered by Gamma Radiation, Goku on the other hand can't maintain SS3 for very long at all.

[Final Ultima]

Kamendex, thank you for fighting the good fight. The battle to educate misinformed people about Dragonball.

[Ssj3_Goku]

Thats because the Hulk doesn't give off spirit energy when he powers up, the physics of the marvel universe work differently than the DBZ universe, so that point is meaningless.

Face it, there isn't anything Goku is going to be able to do to kill the Hulk. All he is going to be able to do is make him more and more pissed of. And the madder the Hulk gets, the stronger he gets, the more durable he gets and the faster he is able to heal (and his base healing is insane).

if the hulk was in the DBZ world he would lose. Other way around goku would lose.

[Tsukiyomi]

if the hulk was in the DBZ world he would lose. Other way around goku would lose.

What the hell are you basing that off of?

[Kamendex]

Ha anytime :D. I'm glad there are people here like me who see things like me...

[Final Ultima]

Ssj3_Goku, a word of advice, just give them the benefit of the doubt.

http://forums.narutofan.com/search.php?searchid=502347

Click on any of those topics and check the posts by me.
You don't want me to get involved in this. Seriously.

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ eh ethey give good points but i am not letting my fav char go down.... IMO i just think goku is the strongest/ fastest character i seen yet until naruto gets more kybuii in him.


but yea u got a point.

[Final Ultima]

^ eh ethey give good points but i am not letting my fav char go down.... IMO i just think goku is the strongest/ fastest character i seen yet until naruto gets more kybuii in him.


but yea u got a point.Goku isn't even the strongest being in his own universe, let alone the Marvel or DC universes.

[sundis]

...And the madder the Hulk gets, the stronger he gets, the more durable he gets and the faster he is able to heal (and his base healing is insane)...

Doesnt he get incredibly stupid as he progresses also? Or was this only in the early variations of the Hulk?

Anyway I think people want Goku to lose due to the fact "DBZ-hating" has turned into something all aspiring manga readers must do. Instead, just think of it as Hulk vs. Super-strong, Super-fast Bruce Lee... who can destroy whole galaxies with beams from his fingers...


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However much stronger the Hulk is then Goku, that's how much faster Goku is then the Hulk. The Hulk has no combat training, nor is his fighting style very complex.

Goku has been training since birth. Before SSJ, before Vegeta, before anything his species were taught to destroy worlds. His training and techniques are too immense to list. He's trained under countless Masters. Never has he fought someone or beaten someone based off strength.

Goku's martial arts training wins the day here. And he's not even that much weaker physically per se.

[Final Ultima]

Doesnt he get incredibly stupid as he progresses also? Or was this only in the early variations of the Hulk?

Anyway I think people want Goku to lose due to the fact "DBZ-hating" has turned into something all aspiring manga readers must do. Instead, just think of it as Hulk vs. Super-strong, Super-fast Bruce Lee... who can destroy whole galaxies with beams from his fingers...


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However much stronger the Hulk is then Goku, that's how much faster Goku is then the Hulk. The Hulk has no combat training, nor is his fighting style very complex.

Goku has been training since birth. Before SSJ, before Vegeta, before anything his species were taught to destroy worlds. His training and techniques are too immense to list. He's trained under countless Masters. Never has he fought someone or beaten someone based off strength.

Goku's martial arts training wins the day here. And he's not even that much weaker physically per se.Some food for thought.

Recall back to the Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku vs Kid Buu fight. Take away Buu's pink stretchiness, and replace it with regeneration many times more potent than before, and then multiply Buu's strength by about thirty million times what it was before.

Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku was about equal to Kid Buu, but Kid Buu's regeneration gave him almost infinite stamina, whereas Goku got tired extremely quickly.

Do you really think the outcome would be any more preferable to Goku against an opponent that's vastly stronger and has even more stamina?

[Tsukiyomi]

Doesnt he get incredibly stupid as he progresses also? Or was this only in the early variations of the Hulk?

Anyway I think people want Goku to lose due to the fact "DBZ-hating" has turned into something all aspiring manga readers must do. Instead, just think of it as Hulk vs. Super-strong, Super-fast Bruce Lee... who can destroy whole galaxies with beams from his fingers...

That used to be true, but it doesn't really seem to happen anymore. Sometimes he'll go into a rage and seem stupid because he's attacking everyone, but he isn't getting stupider.

When he fought Onslaught he was amazingly angry, but was still able to form whole sentences.

The Hulk hates the Abomination more than anyone, the Abomination killed his wife. When the Hulk fights him he's madder than any other time, but he is still at the same level of intelligence.


However much stronger the Hulk is then Goku, that's how much faster Goku is then the Hulk. The Hulk has no combat training, nor is his fighting style very complex.

Goku has been training since birth. Before SSJ, before Vegeta, before anything his species were taught to destroy worlds. His training and techniques are too immense to list. He's trained under countless Masters. Never has he fought someone or beaten someone based off strength.

Goku's martial arts training wins the day here. And he's not even that much weaker physically per se.

His speed and skills won't do jack, he still can't kill the Hulk, and like I said, Goku doesn't have that much endurance when fighting that that level. He'll eventually wear down and become a punching bag.

[Ssj3_Goku]

luckly the topic creator did not want ssj4 in here or their would be more arguements.


so you say about goku getting tired really quick.. Well he did after that huge ass kamehama and blew buu away lets say that happened to hulk he wont be comming back after that hit .. the hulk cannot regenerate his whole body back. plus after that huge ass kamehaha he came back for more in ssj3 and still fighting strong for a while.

plus speed is defintly an issue and goku is much faster than the hulk... Look at what happened with Cell and Trunks in the cell saga.

[Final Ultima]

luckly the topic creator did not want ssj4 in here or their would be more arguements.Allow me to quote myself.

Only in the sense that he's not only a completely non-canon anime character, but that TOEI were also so bad at power consistency, that they decided to have Super Saiya-jin 4 Goku and Super Saiya-jin 4 Vegeta be unable to lift up a building.

Yeah, dead strong. *Rolls eyes*Don't even bother with anything relating to Dragonball GT, it's as bad (if not worse) than filler.

so you say about goku getting tired really quick.. Well he did after that huge ass kamehama and blew buu away lets say that happened to hulk he wont be comming back after that hit .. the hulk cannot regenerate his whole body back.Not only is Hulk's body more durable (in fact, Buu's body is pretty weak by DBZ standards), so it's less likely that he needs to regenerate, but his regeneration is more efficient than even Kid Buu's. It wouldn't be a problem.

plus speed is defintly an issue and goku is much faster than the hulk... Look at what happened with Cell and Trunks in the cell saga.Speed means nothing if you don't even have the strength to kill your opponent.

[ageofdarkness]

luckly the topic creator did not want ssj4 in here or their would be more arguements.


so you say about goku getting tired really quick.. Well he did after that huge ass kamehama and blew buu away lets say that happened to hulk he wont be comming back after that hit .. the hulk cannot regenerate his whole body back.

plus speed is defintly an issue and goku is much faster than the hulk... Look at what happened with Cell and Trunks in the cell saga.

I don't think that kamehamea can blow up the Hulk to bits in the first place. He's taken stronger hits before. Even if, he can regenerate his whole body.

Speed is not really an issue. The Hulk caught the Silver Surfer's board in mid-air, and the Silver Surfer was flying faster than Goku if I'm correct.

Goku just cannot kill the Hulk no matter what. He will take it, regenerate what he lost, get angrier, and get stronger.

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ he does have the STR u people are underestimating him..

plus about ur lifiting up a building hell if they wanted them to do that they would but they never added it in...

Let me remind u that Goku lifed the heavest known metal in the Entire univirese so i am sure that baby is freaking heavy.

plus goku said he could have defeated kid buu off when he was fresh the but he let the fight drag so vegeta could have a shot.


plus saying the hulks regeneration is better than kidd buu's is truely wrong... let hulk get in the middle of a planet blast and lets see what happenes..... oo no hulk anymore.

[Final Ultima]

^ he does have the STR u people are underestimating him..

plus about ur lifiting up a building hell if they wanted them to do that they would but they never added it in...

Let me remind u that Goku lifed the heavest known metal in the Entire univirese so i am sure that baby is freaking heavy.Base Goku can lift up 8 tons pretty easily, but he struggled to lift up 40 tons. Even if each transformation were to give Goku a boost radically greater than the amount assumed from conjectures based on the plot, it wouldn't hold a candle to Hulk's 150 billion tons.

plus goku said he could have defeated kid buu off when he was fresh the but he let the fight drag so vegeta could have a shot.In a sense, you're right. If Goku had just gone Full Power Super Saiya-jin 3 from the start and didn't dawdle quite like he did, then he could've destroyed Buu easily. However, it doesn't cover a gap quite like the gap between Kid Buu and War Hulk. Besides, I don't even know if this versus thread takes Full Power Super Saiya-jin 3 into account.

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ true about the tons. but goku also said that transforming to ssj would make to to easy as well..

I will tkae in account that goku could lift over 500 tons in ssj3 form or higher.

but i am just saying when hes in ssj3 its crazy. lighting everywhere and surrounding him. when he powered up into it he MADe the WHOLE earth shake now thats insane.

[sundis]

His speed and skills won't do jack, he still can't kill the Hulk, and like I said, Goku doesn't have that much endurance when fighting that that level. He'll eventually wear down and become a punching bag.

While I agree with what you say, I'd ask you the same thing.

What good is strength, when the hulk cant catch Goku. Goku may not have as much endurance, but I daresay he has the willpower to never give up. Also it takes much more endurance to throw a punch then it does to dodge it. Goku could dodge indefinately, and he does it in normal mode, he doesnt need SSJ to dodge Hulk's attacks.

Ok, now correct me if I'm wrong because my Hulk information is kind of sketchy. I havent read Hulk in quite a long time. Didnt the Hulk have a few close calls with a simple Gamma Bomb? This was more then a one time occurance; apparently its his kryptonite?

One specific example was when he went into the future and met himself(except he was evil). His future self however had grown much stronger then him. How then, did the Hulk beat a stronger version of himself? Well... he sent the future Hulk into the past, to the moment when a Gamma Bomb turned Bruce Banner into the Hulk, which then discinerated the stronger "Future Hulk".

Spirit Bomb > Gamma Bomb. Goku > Hulk.

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After saying that though, I was doing some internet research just now and it seems War-Hulk was created to kill Celestial beings like Galatus. If that's the case then War-Hulk would probably beat Goku pretty handily. Since Hulk verus Goku already looks like it would be very close.

[Gooba]

Did War Hulk lift 150 billion tons?No, a version of the Hulk which is way worse than him did. Basicly, SSJ2 Hulk lifted 150 billion tons, and we are talking about SSJ3 Hulk.

who's to say Goku can't blind Hulk and then hit a couple pressure points to incapitate him. Martial arts after all teaches that no matter how much bigger someone is, it's not about strength.How is he going to blind the Hulk?
A) He is not strong enough to even damage the Hulk's eyeball with a direct Kamehame right into his eye socket
B) Even if it did he could heal in seconds, even if his head is reduced to nothing but bone and 0 flesh. Poking out his eyes is pointless if he can regrow them in the time it takes Goku's finger to leave the hole
C) Pressure points won't work because of his healing
D) Goku is too weak to depress Hulk's skin enough to hit them
E) Hulk's pressure points are under 2 feet of muscle, making them near impossible to hit
F) Has Goku ever shown any knowledge of pressure points?

so you say about goku getting tired really quick.. Well he did after that huge ass kamehama and blew buu away lets say that happened to hulk he wont be comming back after that hit .. the hulk cannot regenerate his whole body back. plus after that huge ass kamehaha he came back for more in ssj3 and still fighting strong for a while.Did you see my gif. That was something stronger than any Kamehame wave, and it did blow all his flesh off, and he was back to normal in the time it took his friends to say "Shouldn't we get him something?" To which he responded "just get me some pants," which means they saw a giant Hulk wang, which I am pretty sure could also take SSJ3 Gotenks fused with SSJ3 Gogeta in a 1v1.

The Hulk caught the Silver Surfer's board in mid-air, and the Silver Surfer was flying faster than Goku if I'm correct.Very correct, SS>Flash in speed.

plus saying the hulks regeneration is better than kidd buu's is truely wrongNo, it isn't. I saw Kid Buu's regeneration, and his toughness. 1 Goku punch deformed him, that is utterly pathetic. Hulk's toughness>>>>Kid Buu's, and even if it isn't normally if you hurt him he gets madder and tougher. His healing will bring him back completely from 1 cell, one. In the time it took Buu to regernate from having his head knocked to the side the Hulk could come back from being a skeleton.

I will tkae in account that goku could lift over 500 tons in ssj3 form or higher.500 tons, that is only 1/300000000000th of what the Hulk can, in his "SSJ2 form" and we are talking about his SSJ3. Actually, the Hulk can lift 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999 tons So I don't think Goku wins this.

What good is strength, when the hulk cant catch Goku.He can, he can catch the SS who is ridiculously faster than Goku.

What good is strength, when the hulk cant catch Goku. Goku may not have as much endurance, but I daresay he has the willpower to never give up. Also it takes much more endurance to throw a punch then it does to dodge it. Goku could dodge indefinately, and he does it in normal mode, he doesnt need SSJ to dodge Hulk's attacks.Yes, it takes less, but the Hulk has literally infinite stamina. He could go on until the end of time, literally. Goku can go on for a long time, but definitly not more than 9999999999 millenium, which the Hulk can. Goku ages, he will die after 1000 years giving him a TON of extra time. The Hulk can never die.

Kamendex, Final Ultima, and Tsu thanks for helping. Especially Tsu because 99% of my Hulk knowledge is from him a few months ago.

[Tsukiyomi]

While I agree with what you say, I'd ask you the same thing.

What good is strength, when the hulk cant catch Goku. Goku may not have as much endurance, but I daresay he has the willpower to never give up. Also it takes much more endurance to throw a punch then it does to dodge it. Goku could dodge indefinately, and he does it in normal mode, he doesnt need SSJ to dodge Hulk's attacks.

No he couldn't dodge indefinetly, he will eventually tire, the Hulk will not, he never tires.

Ok, now correct me if I'm wrong because my Hulk information is kind of sketchy. I havent read Hulk in quite a long time. Didnt the Hulk have a few close calls with a simple Gamma Bomb? This was more then a one time occurance; apparently its his kryptonite?

The Gamma Bomb messes with the Hulks natural energy, but obviously even that has never killed him.

One specific example was when he went into the future and met himself(except he was evil). His future self however had grown much stronger then him. How then, did the Hulk beat a stronger version of himself? Well... he sent the future Hulk into the past, to the moment when a Gamma Bomb turned Bruce Banner into the Hulk, which then discinerated the stronger "Future Hulk".

Actually, the Maestro (future hulk) survived being hit point blank with the gamma bomb, he was disintegrated, but he was still able to come back later on.

Spirit Bomb > Gamma Bomb. Goku > Hulk.

What are you basing that off of? The Spirit bomb goes off an kills one person (if they're hit directly), some people like Freiza have even survived directs hits. The Gamma bomb shoots the most powerful type of radiation through your body, it kills everyone around it (unless they have the special gene Bruce Banner and the other gamma mutants had).

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After saying that though, I was doing some internet research just now and it seems War-Hulk was created to kill Celestial beings like Galatus. If that's the case then War-Hulk would probably beat Goku pretty handily. Since Hulk verus Goku already looks like it would be very close.

War Hulk is probably in the top 3 incarnations, his power is on a level allowing him to kill celestials, but I doubt war hulk would be needed to kill Goku.

[sundis]

Hulk catching surfer's board as he flew by, is like you being able to swat an insect out of the air as it flew by. But if say a "fly" kept it's distance, can you seriously say you'll be able to catch it. You dont need to answer, just think about those frustrating summer days running around the house with a rolled-up newspaper.

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The Gamma Bomb can be contained, all it is basically is a nuke. The one that Maestro dealt with was probably a regular one as I doubt they would test the "strongest" possible gamma bomb they could first time going. At any rate the Gamma Bomb that went off obviously didnt destroy the world -- some of Goku's powers can. Also note that some of these powers are relatively easy for Goku to preform. I have to take your word about the Hulk being able to destroy Earth, but I seriously doubt he could do it with the relative ease Goku can.

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The Maestro didnt die, I actually didnt know that, but would you say that was a tie or a win for the Hulk?

He stopped Maestro for a bit, so it's a win right? If it's not a win then really no superhero wins any battle, since 90% of super-villians come back to fight another day. Spider won once out 10001232 fights since the only villian he's ever killed was the Goblin?

So for arguement sake, we'll say that the Hulk won that round. Which means that even though the Gamma Bomb didnt kill Maestro, it did stop him. So apparently Hulk isnt invulnerable, he may not have been killed but he has been stopped before.

[Insipidipity]

Hulk catching surfer's board as he flew by, is like you being able to swat an insect out of the air as it flew by. But if say a "fly" kept it's distance, can you seriously say you'll be able to catch it. You dont need to answer, just think about those frustrating summer days running around the house with a rolled-up newspaper.

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The Gamma Bomb can be contained, all it is basically is a nuke. The one that Maestro dealt with was probably a regular one as I doubt they would test the "strongest" possible gamma bomb they could first time going. At any rate the Gamma Bomb that went off obviously didnt destroy the world -- some of Goku's powers can. Also note that some of these powers are relatively easy for Goku to preform. I have to take your word about the Hulk being able to destroy Earth, but I seriously doubt he could do it with the relative ease Goku can.

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The Maestro didnt die, I actually didnt know that, but would you say that was a tie or a win for the Hulk?

He stopped Maestro for a bit, so it's a win right? If it's not a win then really no superhero wins any battle, since 90% of super-villians come back to fight another day. Spider won once out 10001232 fights since the only villian he's ever killed was the Goblin?

So for arguement sake, we'll say that the Hulk won that round. Which means that even though the Gamma Bomb didnt kill Maestro, it did stop him. So apparently Hulk isnt invulnerable, he may not have been killed but he has been stopped before.
Lemme straighten this out for you, the hulk, can survive in space. The hulk can recover from having 99% of his body incinerated. The hulk is impervious to all but the strongest blasts. The hulk, is virtually immortal. Goku can only say that he can survive in space. He'd have to spend the rest of his life avoiding the Hulk by a LONG distance or else he'd be killed. Running away from your opponent isn't a victory

Secondly, the Gamma bomb killed Maestro because it was THE bomb that gave him his powers, powers he absorbs to gain more powerful. Even a normal bomb 10000000000000000x more powerful can't do that because it doesn't have the gamma radiation which his body absorbs. Its like overloading a battery. You can't overload a battery with anything except electricity. you can't do it with water, you can't do it with fire, you can't do it with wind, you can't even do it with all the chi energy in the world, it has to be electricity.

Thirdly, as he gets madder, he gets more and more capable of destroying the earth easily. It'll come to a point where he'd be able to destroy it by a flick. Thats a lot easier than any Kamehameha blast goku could do.

Fourthly, this is WAR, not just any hulk. He's got a sword. He's STOPPED the juggernaut(theres a difference between knocking him back and stopping him, apparently its easier to knock him back, its supposed to be virtually impossible to stop). Even if Goku ran, he could throw a friggin sword and impale him, end of story.

[Takuza]

people who are defending Goku, please tell me how goku would win. He cannot destroy the hulk's body, he cannot out live him. he cannot do anything >.> PLEASE, do a GOOD job defending yourself. >.>

[Code]

Once again Kaiosama's planet was special, only 2 people have ever been there, and it isnt made easy to get to. The other world isnt special..any1 who dies, and is good is allowed to stay there.....look at all the weak people that would pass through and look at Kaiosama, they wouldnt be able to handle much higher gravity...not to mention it was never stated that it had higher gravity....infact why would they say it was 40 tons...if there was gravity that affected it?

Yes, in the diazenshuu's it has SSj Gokuu listed at 15,000,000 and Frieza 100% at 12,000,000 which cannot be anymore wrong seeing as how Frieza at 100% was stronger than SSj Gokuu.....dont forget our argument....the diazenshuu's are crap.
The planet Goku was on isn't special? A planet where two lords of the galax reside? And where Goku, the strongest fighter in the northern galaxy trained? Won't he want to train under the most vigorious condition? Kaiosama was able to easily go around on 10x gravity on his own planet. He'd probably want to train somewhere else then if he could get better train.

Well you think that the daizenshuu is crap I think otherwise, just like some dissagree with the naruto databook while others agree.

[Insipidipity]

BTW, if you're gonna talk about how much something weighs, they'll tell you the WEIGHT, not the MASS when they're on a heavier planet meaning that when they say its 40 tons, even if the planet has 1000000000000x gravity, its 40 tons on that planet since they gave no reference mass.

Anyways, regardless, Hulk is stronger, and is unlikely to die, on the other hand, Goku will eventually.

[Gooba]

Code, do you think Goku would win this, or are you just helping people understand Goku correctly? I am just curious as to your overall opinion of the fight.

[Code]

Code, do you think Goku would win this, or are you just helping people understand Goku correctly? I am just curious as to your overall opinion of the fight.
Well I doubt Goku can win this...

Just that I disagree with the Goku can't even lift 40 tons in base comment.

Also, did that particular # for what the Hulk lift, can he put that weight on his body, jump up and stay in the sky and say punch and kick in rapid succession?

If he can't, then the definition of lift being used for these two are different....

Is there any measure of the Hulk's speed?

[Othni]

Goku is powerful, and gets more powerful as he fights, but he never got over a billion times stronger in a single fight.

Hmmm, let's see. SSJ, then SSJ2, Hmmm, that right there is 10,000....You're right. Up to SSJ3, he can only get 1 million times stronger. But he can actually get stronger...well, his attack anyway. Just like he killed buu and a butt load of other mobs. Put his energy and everybody elses energy into the ball....in the buu saga, he did it extremely slow, but he's done it faster other times.

And the whole pressure thingy. Vegeta as a regular sayajin went through 400X gravity. Normal gravity is 14 fps so in 400X that would be 5600 fps. So every single inch of his body was being crushed by that. I might be wrong but I think that's correct. :smile-big

[Gooba]

Well I doubt Goku can win this...

Just that I disagree with the Goku can't even lift 40 tons in base comment.

Also, did that particular # for what the Hulk lift, can he put that weight on his body, jump up and stay in the sky and say punch and kick in rapid succession?

If he can't, then the definition of lift being used for these two are different....

Is there any measure of the Hulk's speed?Ok, as long as we understand eachother. I guess I should step out of your way then, and let the DBZ experts debate this.

I love what happens when you edit :laugh

I guess they are different definitions, that 150 billion tons was just being held over his head staticly. There isn't any real measure of his speed, but he can fight people on Silver Surfer's level of speed somehow.

[lucky]

How can hulk stop him if GOku throws him towards the sun?


He can't fly back to earth, no matter how big of a temper tantrum he gets.

[Takuza]

He would not die from being on the sun...so he would just continue to get mad, until he is strong enough to get of the sun. as Gooba said.

[Insipidipity]

How can hulk stop him if GOku throws him towards the sun?


He can't fly back to earth, no matter how big of a temper tantrum he gets.
You know...you actually have to be next to one to grab them and you have to grab them to throw them. Being next to the hulk isn't exactly the smartest idea...he can catch people moving at COSMIC speeds and he's much stronger. That would basically be suicide for Goku...

[lucky]

He would not die from being on the sun...so he would just continue to get mad, until he is strong enough to get of the sun. as Gooba said.


Mad enough to get off the sun? lol how? :xp Before the Hulk actually 'reaches' the sun, would've died of old age.


You know...you actually have to be next to one to grab them and you have to grab them to throw them. Being next to the hulk isn't exactly the smartest idea...he can catch people moving at COSMIC speeds and he's much stronger. That would basically be suicide for Goku...


Goku might not be as strong as Hulk's strongest incarnations, but he's not a pushover either.

If he really can't last two seconds against the hulk, he could easily blow up the ground surrounding the Hulk, and while the Hulk is still airbourne, Kamehameha him out into space outside of earth's range of Gravity.

The Kamehameha won't hurt him (though i think it will) but he won't be able to do shit about floating away from dear old earth.

[Insipidipity]

But the point is for him to beat him, not to send him in space...that really accomplishes nothing. The first one to die will be Goku.

BTW, the Hulk isn't going to die of old age. In the future the Hulk is alive after all of mankind is destroyed I believe. Plus, War Hulk's weaponry isn't to be underestimated. Goku really doesn't stand a chance.

[lucky]

By sending him out to space, he's effectively beaten. What can he do? Pretty much nothing.

Being beaten physically is just one way of beating him. But a "Ring-Out", or by totally neutrailizing Hulk's ability to harm him (harmlessly drifting awayyyyy), Goku effectively wins.


oh btw, i meant Goku would die of old age before Hulk manages to get back (IF he manages to get back) to earth for 'revenge'.

[Insipidipity]

By sending him out to space, he's effectively beaten. What can he do? Pretty much nothing.

Being beaten physically is just one way of beating him. But a "Ring-Out", or by totally neutrailizing Hulk's ability to harm him (harmlessly drifting awayyyyy), Goku effectively wins.


oh btw, i meant Goku would die of old age before Hulk manages to get back (IF he manages to get back) to earth for 'revenge'.
Neither of them can do anything. Theres only 2 ways of beating someone. Killing them or knocking them out. Theres no such thing as ring outs in a real fight. And you're assuming Goku can even hit the ground under him before the Hulk jumps at him and decaps him.

[Green Lantern]

I mentioned when I created this topic- no planetary destruction by either parties- cause both could easily destroy the planet and leave the other there to die- however the only possible way in my opinion which Goku could win is if he destroyed the Sun and then teleported away leaving Hulk to be burnt up by the explosion of the sun- possibly it would not kill the Hulk, but the Hulk would not be able to kill Goku leaving it a draw :P

alot of people arent taking into consideration that it could actually end up in a stalemate- I didn't limit running away or Dragonballs did I? :P
Goku teleports to Namek, gets the Dragonballs and wishes himself to be Immortal (this can easily be done, as that was what Vegeta wanted to do with the Dragonballs), once Goku is Immortal, he can train for a million years and EVENTUALLY, grow strong enough to knock out or kill the Hulk who is currently floating around in space :P

Of course that would be quite cheap, but theres no rule against it is there :D

[Insipidipity]

Running away is essentially a loss. Basically if one party is afraid of the other and won't fight them, they've essentially lost.

[lucky]

Neither of them can do anything. Theres only 2 ways of beating someone. Killing them or knocking them out. Theres no such thing as ring outs in a real fight. And you're assuming Goku can even hit the ground under him before the Hulk jumps at him and decaps him.


any random weak fireball can destroy the immediate vicinity surrounding wherever he shoots it. Hulk stands on mountain, shoot mountain. Mountain destroyed, leaving hulk in freefall or wherever the blast shoots him. WILL be airbourne though.


Running away is essentially a loss. Basically if one party is afraid of the other and won't fight them, they've essentially lost.


I thought you said that there's only two ways of winning.

[Green Lantern]

Running away is essentially a loss. Basically if one party is afraid of the other and won't fight them, they've essentially lost.

I created this versus match- and no where did I state that running is a loss :P my fight my rules- Victory is by death

Doesnt matter how one kills the other- the loser is the one who is dead- so Goku could easily run and wish himself Immortal, which would be quite BS, but it is one of his options

[Gooba]

Mad enough to get off the sun? lol how? Before the Hulk actually 'reaches' the sun, would've died of old age.He doesn't age.

By sending him out to space, he's effectively beaten. What can he do? Pretty much nothing. Throw his helmet away from the Earth at a few thousand miles per hour, it will send him going back towards Earth. He could even rip off his own hand, throw it, and regrow it.

[braindx]

lol, goku is actually beating the hulk in the poll ........

[Gooba]

lol, goku is actually beating the hulk in the poll ........In all my battledome experiance(I got a lot) I have found most people read the thread title, vote, post, then may or may not read the first post, then they may or may not read a few other posts.

[meekozy]

They pwn the universe together

[Kamendex]

I mentioned when I created this topic- no planetary destruction by either parties- cause both could easily destroy the planet and leave the other there to die- however the only possible way in my opinion which Goku could win is if he destroyed the Sun and then teleported away leaving Hulk to be burnt up by the explosion of the sun- possibly it would not kill the Hulk, but the Hulk would not be able to kill Goku leaving it a draw :P

alot of people arent taking into consideration that it could actually end up in a stalemate- I didn't limit running away or Dragonballs did I? :P
Goku teleports to Namek, gets the Dragonballs and wishes himself to be Immortal (this can easily be done, as that was what Vegeta wanted to do with the Dragonballs), once Goku is Immortal, he can train for a million years and EVENTUALLY, grow strong enough to knock out or kill the Hulk who is currently floating around in space :P

Of course that would be quite cheap, but theres no rule against it is there :D


Wat is the point of being immortal to train for a million years if Gokuu has a limit...I bet Gokuu will reach his peak in about 20 years of training....so wat would be the point of training for a million years?

We already know how strong Gohan was at his full potential...and Gokuu's potential is less....so Gokuu can never get strong enough to beat the Hulk...

To Code...The Diazenshuu power levels were not authorized by Akira Toriyama....where as the Naruto Data Book was authorized by Kishimoto...big difference...and the amount of consistencies and mistakes in the diazenshuu's make them as credible as filler...

One other thing....wat POSSIBLE reasoning can one have to think Gokuu can win? I mean people be realistic here, think with your head and stop being ignorant (not trying to be offensive). This thread is not even fair...they arent even in the same league....this is a dinosaur vs an ant...this is Sarutobi prime vs a Baby Konohamaru....

Stronger= Hulk by far
Faster= Gokuu
Endurance= Hulk by far
Durability= Hulk by far

Genki Dama.....? Great way for Gokuu to win! O wait...is Hulk going to stand around waiting for Gokuu to gather enough energy to even damage the hulk??

[braindx]

In all my battledome experiance(I got a lot) I have found most people read the thread title, vote, post, then may or may not read the first post, then they may or may not read a few other posts.

and goku gets another vote in the time inbetween my posts :P


kamendex, btw, if hulk can snatch SS board out from under him.. wouldnt that make him faster than goku? or at least have better reflexes..

Genki Dama.....? Great way for Gokuu to win! O wait...is Hulk going to stand around waiting for Gokuu to gather enough energy to even damage the hulk??
i think you meant...

Genki Dama.....? Great way for Gokuu to win! O wait...is Hulk going to stand around waiting for Gokuu to gather enough energy to even FUTILELY ATTEMPT TO damage the hulk??

[Kamendex]

Ya I was iffy about Gokuu being faster because I dont know how fast Hulk is.....but then again speed wont matter, Gokuu cant even scratch the Hulk.

And I like the editing of what I said....yours sounds better :smile-big

[Code]

Well with the Genki Dama... to the above saying it's futile.

Goku can harness energy from every living thing, plant or animal, from the planet itself, and even inanimate objects. Who knows, he could probably gather energy from an entire solar system and then some if he had the time. Not saying he can beat him but I seriously doubt the genki dama is futile...

Speed? Hmm... Well it was said that it was rumored that the distance to North Kaio's planet was over 1 million kilometers. And when coming back, Kaio said with Goku's power he'd make it back in 2 days. And when Goku did travel the distance he was astounded by the speed he made it meaning it was probably a lot less than 2 days. As the next morning is when he arrived (assuming they didn't fight the saiyans for more than a day). So he traveled at least 10 km per second with a base of a bit over 5000. If you multiply it by his PL he ges later, then it's much faster. Then he shoued with his Instant Movement move he can travel that "rumored 1 million km" in an instant... and was even able to make it to the new planet namek which should be quite a distance... considering it took a spacehsip that could travel to jupiter an instant, 1 or 2 months to reach.... Though we don't know where the new PN is located... Either way instant movement is instant movement... though he needs a ki to lock on.

[Kamendex]

Well with the Genki Dama... to the above saying it's futile.

Goku can harness energy from every living thing, plant or animal, from the planet itself, and even inanimate objects. Who knows, he could probably gather energy from an entire solar system and then some if he had the time. Not saying he can beat him but I seriously doubt the genki dama is futile...

Speed? Hmm... Well it was said that it was rumored that the distance to North Kaio's planet was over 1 million kilometers. And when coming back, Kaio said with Goku's power he'd make it back in 2 days. And when Goku did travel the distance he was astounded by the speed he made it meaning it was probably a lot less than 2 days. As the next morning is when he arrived (assuming they didn't fight the saiyans for more than a day). So he traveled at least 10 km per second with a base of a bit over 5000. If you multiply it by his PL he ges later, then it's much faster. Then he shoued with his Instant Movement move he can travel that "rumored 1 million km" in an instant... and was even able to make it to the new planet namek which should be quite a distance... considering it took a spacehsip that could travel to jupiter an instant, 1 or 2 months to reach.... Though we don't know where the new PN is located... Either way instant movement is instant movement... though he needs a ki to lock on.


Kaio-sama's planet is 1 million KM....it has a lot of curves and turns....

Gokuu on the way back can fly and jump over the curves....basically taking short cuts. So really, he did not run back the whole 1 mill KM.

Instantaneous Movement is not rumored to travel at 1 mill KM.....its INSTANT....It is faster than anything a comic character can do.....the bad thing is Gokuu has to concentrate on a ki source...which would royally screw him over...

[Code]

I never said it's rumored to be 1 million km per second. The distance to north kaio's planet was. As the move itself is called instant movement.

[sundis]

How is he going to blind the Hulk?
A) He is not strong enough to even damage the Hulk's eyeball with a direct Kamehame right into his eye socket.

Well not blind BLIND. But he does have that Sunflare move which could stun the Hulk for a little bit.

D) Goku is too weak to depress Hulk's skin enough to hit them.

Goku is weaker but not weak, he could put a hole into the moon quite easily. Batman who is just above an average man can throw Superman around, and fights on equal footing with Wonder Woman. It's not always about strength as technique and speed can match it on occasions. Really any althelete, be it a boxer/fighter/martial artist etc, would tell you the same thing.

F) Has Goku ever shown any knowledge of pressure points?

He has studied Martial Arts since a kid from every known "Greatest Martial Arts Master" on his planet, dead or alive, as well as Masters from other planets. I dont have any specific example, no. But I dont think it's a stretch to assume he knows.

... but the Hulk has literally infinite stamina. He could go on until the end of time, literally. Goku can go on for a long time, but definitly not more than 9999999999 millenium, which the Hulk can. Goku ages, he will die after 1000 years giving him a TON of extra time. The Hulk can never die.

Both DC and Marvel have had crossovers over the years where the Hulk has fought Superman. While I understand it's a popularity contest, the writer would not make up something that could not exsist in either world, i.e. Superman gaining magical powers to cripple the Hulk suddenly, or the Hulk suddenly sneezing Kryptonite. In one of these fights the Hulk actually lost because HE GOT TIRED.

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But I digress, I wasnt actually sure about the War Hulk and his capabilities. After doing some research on him I dont think Goku could hurt that monster.

In regards to Goku vs. regular Hulk I'm sticking to my guns.

[Final Ultima]

Both DC and Marvel have had crossovers over the years where the Hulk has fought Superman. While I understand it's a popularity contest, the writer would not make up something that could not exsist in either world, i.e. Superman gaining magical powers to cripple the Hulk suddenly, or the Hulk suddenly sneezing Kryptonite. In one of these fights the Hulk actually lost because HE GOT TIRED.But we all know crossovers are about as canon as Dragonball GT, as in, not at all.

[hjkou]

SSJ3 Goku grabs a hold of Hulk (which is very hard, due to his speed), instant transmissions him to a deserted planet (deserted.. So noone cries saying "Goku wouldnt harm other people to win!"), then teleports back, takes aim.. Shoots the planet, HUZZAH~!!!

[Final Ultima]

And the Hulk would still survive.

*Smacks hjkou across the back of the head* Pay attention.

[CrazyMoronX]

This thread, as usual for Hulk threads, has turned into a "Why Hulk won't die" proving ground thread... just make a Hulk vs God thread...

"God will think him out of existance"... "Hulk can get so mad, he gets himself out of non-existance!!!"

[Final Ultima]

Heh, fortunately it hasn't become quite that bad yet.

[korican04]

I think it depends where the battle is. If it's a small indestructable cube the size of a 10x10x10 room (let's say molecule man made it or some shit) goku is dead, he can't instant transmission under pressure as shown when buu was going to blow the planet up and had the kai come and save them (unless he's instant transmisioning around the person he's fighting like against cell), and hulk would pound him dead, goku can't compare to hulk's strength. But if it's in on a planet and goku can keep his distance then he has a better chance, goku is a great fighter, but it's suicide even for him to go in a direct fight with war hulk.

someone said the hulk get's tired, well goku does too, and much quicker i might add as he has never regenerated from half his body and come back and kept up insane destruction.

[Tsukiyomi]

How can hulk stop him if GOku throws him towards the sun?


He can't fly back to earth, no matter how big of a temper tantrum he gets.

People always suggest that, but its been tried. Gladiator tried throwing the Hulk up into space, it almost cost him his hearing. The Hulk slammed his hands on each side of Gladiators head as soon as he touched him setting off a sonic boom in Gladiator's head. How would Goku deal with that?

Someone asked if the Hulk could destroy the earth, he shattered a meteor twice the size of the earth before, so he is more than capable of it.

And I'll say it once more, the Hulk does NOT tire, ever....any questions?

As for regeneration, the Hulk survived world war III when nuclear bombs of all types were going off right next to him, his body just kept regenerating again and again.

Keep in mind as he gets madder, he not only gets stronger, but he also gets more durable and his healing factor increases. He'll eventually reach a point where Goku would be nothing.

[۩ReYmДN-dono۩]

goku always pulls out a miracle...so goku

[Code]

Well ... Was it stated in non-filler that you can die after being dead already?

If not... then Goku is dead probably more than 50% of DBZ(exaggeration) so dead-Goku who doesn't tire(I think...) would be a valid person to use...

[Tsukiyomi]

Well ... Was it stated in non-filler that you can die after being dead already?

If not... then Goku is dead probably more than 50% of DBZ(exaggeration) so dead-Goku who doesn't tire(I think...) would be a valid person to use...

Didn't Goku have to take breaks and sleep while running on snake way? He does tire, the people in other world still function on the same system of energy, so they would eventually tire.

[Final Ultima]

Well ... Was it stated in non-filler that you can die after being dead already?

If not... then Goku is dead probably more than 50% of DBZ(exaggeration) so dead-Goku who doesn't tire(I think...) would be a valid person to use...Yup, as an already dead Vegeta prepares to fight Kid Buu, Goku tells him that if he's killed in his current state, he won't exist anymore.

Also, Goku does tire when he's dead, hence why he's so exhausted after he uses Full Power Super Saiya-jin 3 against Fat Buu, it's just that he loses energy at a faster rate when he's living.

[۩ReYmДN-dono۩]

is this the real war hulk or fake?
http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/6479/warhulk26zn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Tsukiyomi]

Thats him with his mask off, his sword is amazingly powerful alone, let alone when he is weilding it. I posted a pic of him before.

[۩ReYmДN-dono۩]

Thats him with his mask off, his sword is amazingly powerful alone, let alone when he is weilding it. I posted a pic of him before.
a little off-topic style but you know the title of the comic or is it just war hulk because i've seen a comic called dogs of wars is that the one?

[Ssj3_Goku]

Yup, as an already dead Vegeta prepares to fight Kid Buu, Goku tells him that if he's killed in his current state, he won't exist anymore.

Also, Goku does tire when he's dead, hence why he's so exhausted after he uses Full Power Super Saiya-jin 3 against Fat Buu, it's just that he loses energy at a faster rate when he's living.


the reason why he loses the engergy was not because of that.. He had a set time limit and the more energy he used the less time he would have . the less time he had made he tired. So in the otherworld Dead he would not get tired from going ssj3.

And the Hulk would still survive.

*Smacks hjkou across the back of the head* Pay attention.

Lol right let me see the hulk regenerate his whole body back and be able to breath in space lol.

[Gooba]

Lol right let me see the hulk regenerate his whole body back and be able to breath in space lol.Actually, he can and has. Not that anything Goku does could make him need to regenerate.

[Kamendex]

the reason why he loses the engergy was not because of that.. He had a set time limit and the more energy he used the less time he would have . the less time he had made he tired. So in the otherworld Dead he would not get tired from going ssj3.



Lol right let me see the hulk regenerate his whole body back and be able to breath in space lol.

The amount of time he had left on earth was based on the amount of energy he had...SSj3 decreased his energy, thus, decreasing his time on earth...

Not to mention....Vegeta was dead.....and he was losing energy against Kid Buu if you remember..

[Ssj3_Goku]

plus how people say he gets madder and stronger. goku gets stronger and faster after every fight he is in because he is a sayien.


what would i want the ability to blow up planets or the ability to lift a billion tons? i will definitly take the ability to blow up the planets.

Plus GOku is the greatest Figher and is a genious in fighting.. witch the hulk does not have... Seriously lisen to frezia its not the strongest that allways wins its the smartest.

The amount of time he had left on earth was based on the amount of energy he had...SSj3 decreased his energy, thus, decreasing his time on earth...

Not to mention....Vegeta was dead.....and he was losing energy against Kid Buu if you remember..

Yes i know but i was just proving to him about the ability of SSj3 when hes dead.. goku also stated that in the other world SSj3 was sooo much easier and longer to be in..


plus yea vegeta was losing energy because he was facing kid buu witch was stronger than him. BUT he lasted longer and still got up because his body was more durable .

[Kamendex]

plus how people say he gets madder and stronger. goku gets stronger and faster after every fight he is in because he is a sayien.


what would i want the ability to blow up planets or the ability to lift a billion tons? i will definitly take the ability to blow up the planets.

Plus GOku is the greatest Figher and is a genious in fighting.. witch the hulk does not have... Seriously lisen to frezia its not the strongest that allways wins its the smartest.

In the later half of Dragonball aka DBZ....power wins everything not smarts...

BTW, EVERY fighter in the history of everything becomes better and stronger after every fight.....Saiya-jins get a POWER boost after recovering from a NEAR death experience....

Honestly why are you still arguing? Are you THAT ignorant...?

Strength= Hulk by far
Speed= Gokuu, but seeing as how the Hulk caught the Silver Surfer....it wouldnt be hard to catch Gokuu.....AT ALL.
Endurance= Hulk by far
Durability= Hulk by far

Gokuu going SSj3 would be horrible...in 5 minutes hed start losing energy and getting weaker...

The only thing Gokuu has going for him is that he is a fighting genius.....but when the power difference is this much...it means NOTHING

Look at nearly every DBZ fight....and you will know.

[Code]

Well if the Silver Surfer is so strong then Goku would be able to sense his ki. Then he'd instant transmission to the Kaioshin's planet. Then get the potarra earrings. Then go to the Silver Surfer and put on the earrings (how it gets on.... meh). Then it'd be the Silver Goku.

...

Then he'd go on a fusion rampage and eventually kick the hulk's ass...

Though he might end up being Schizophrenic and kill himself in the end and kind of inaudible with so many different voices talking at once...

[Sabaku no Ira]

Well if the Silver Surfer is so strong then Goku would be able to sense his ki. Then he'd instant transmission to the Kaioshin's planet. Then get the potarra earrings. Then go to the Silver Surfer and put on the earrings (how it gets on.... meh). Then it'd be the Silver Goku.

...

Then he'd go on a fusion rampage and eventually kick the hulk's ass...

If that's the case than it'll no longer be Goku but Silver Goku. Not saying that Silve Goku would beat the Hulk, though.

[Code]

So he's not allowed transformations?

Then it should be the regular Hulk without any "get mad get stronger" things...

[Gooba]

So he's not allowed transformations?

Then it should be the regular Hulk without any "get mad get stronger" things...There is a huge difference, and you know it. The "get mad get stronger" transformation is the same as SS levels, while the "Sliver Goku" think is completely different. That is a 2v1 with someone more powerful than either party helping out Goku. If he is allowed to do that then Hulk is allowed to convince Galactus to give him all of his power cosmic, and pwn Silver Goku.

[Kamendex]

Wow.....hardcore DBZ fans find the oddest ways to make their fave characters win.....

Fuse with Silver Surfer? Wtf is that crap.....?

That is so...uhhh...ANYONE could do that....hell lets have Konohamaru go into the Dragonball universe get the potarra earings, fuse with Superman Prime and beat the Hulk! Wow....great logic.

[Ssj3_Goku]

not really both are in 1 body :P


its not logic just that the DBZ guys can do that.

[Gooba]

its not logic just that the DBZ guys can do that.And any Marvel character can theoretically get the Beyonder's power and become Cosmic. Just because we don't find stupid excuses like that to make our guys win doesn't mean we will.

[Kamendex]

Ya seriously.....holy crap...is it THAT HARD to believe DBZ characters can be beaten.....?

[Code]

...

Well then. He can get the pottarra earings.

Lead a good life. Die. Go to heaven. Then fuse with God. And well... blink(not even blink) the Hulk out of existence.

Goku easily takes this.

I am led to believe that this particular Hulk is different than others. As Goku from Buu saga was in possession of the Potarra earrings... it's like War Hulk in possession of a head...

[Gooba]

Fine, he has the damned earrings. They aren't going to help him because anyone he could put them on that would actually make a difference would just pwn Goku for trying.

[Sabaku no Ira]

Grrr.... doesn't anyone read what I've posted?

Just as Gogeta is NOT Goku, Goku+anyone fusion character will NOT be Goku. Once the fusion has been done, Goku will no longer be "Goku" but someone else.

[Code]

But in their hearts there will always exist a little bit of Goku... Through thick and thin...

So every single powerful person happens to be evil and wants the evil green Hulk to destroy their beloved monkey king?

Note: The tone of that "Silver Goku"(it should be obvious with this phrase enough) wasn't to be taken seriously... though it is a possibility that can't be ruled out.

[Sabaku no Ira]

But in their hearts there will always exist a little bit of Goku... Through thick and thin...

So every single powerful person happens to be evil and wants the evil green Hulk to destroy their beloved monkey king?

Note: The tone of that "Silver Goku"(it should be obvious with this phrase enough) wasn't to be taken seriously... though it is a possibility that can't be ruled out.

Yes, and I supposed that everyone here has a bit of stuff coming from their parents, so does that mean that everyone IS whoever their parents are?

What I'm saying is that if Goku ever, EVER fuses with anyone, there won't be a "Goku" anymore but a new being altogether.

[Code]

But there'd still be a bit of Goku in it... it'd be a combination. Basically Goku getting help.

[Sabaku no Ira]

But there'd still be a bit of Goku in it... it'd be a combination. Basically Goku getting help.

And there will be a bit of whoever Goku fused with in that as well, and we end up with a mixture of the two. Saying that Goku+anyone fused = Goku would be equal to saying pure salt=salt water, which obviously doesn't work.

[Code]

But the salt water still contains water...

If a person grows some hair. They have something to what they already have. Therefore they are not the same person?

[Gooba]

But there'd still be a bit of Goku in it... it'd be a combination. Basically Goku getting help.Which isn't allowed in a battledome fight. I mean, getting help kinda defeats the purpose of every fight. Konohamaru can beat Kyuubi if he gets help from Shukaku, and the 7 unnamed Youmas.

How about we got off of his joke suggestion and all accept Hulk>Goku.

[Sabaku no Ira]

But the salt water still contains water...

If a person grows some hair. They have something to what they already have. Therefore they are not the same person?

If a person grows some hair, the hair would still be part of the person initially and therefore still counts as part of that person "as a whole". Are you saying that whoever Goku fuses with is part of Goku initially?

ButWhich isn't allowed in a battledome fight. I mean, getting help kinda defeats the purpose of every fight. Konohamaru can beat Kyuubi if he gets help from Shukaku, and the 7 unnamed Youmas.

How about we got off of his joke suggestion and all accept Hulk>Goku.

Exactly, that's what I'm trying to say.

[Ssj3_Goku]

yea i like how SSj4 and all is not alowed in this thread of blowing up planets etc.. ur taking alot of goku's STR's away....


o well.

[Jef88]

i go for the war hulk he's a bad ass if goku even punches him one time the war hulk gets soooo mad he would kill/squash goku (i'm a db fan but the hulk is way stronger)

[HollowDreamer]

Im gonna have to say SSJ3 Goku would win.

[Lord Yu]

have you even read this thread?!

[Kamendex]

yea i like how SSj4 and all is not alowed in this thread of blowing up planets etc.. ur taking alot of goku's STR's away....


o well.

Wow....you dont think outside the box do you?

Give Gokuu SSj4. Give him ALL of Vegeta's, Piccolo's, Gohan's, Kaioshin's, and every Dragonball character alive's abilities and techniques and Gokuu will STILL LOSE HORRIBLY TO WAR HULK. STOP BEING IGNORANT.

[Code]

Wow....you dont think outside the box do you?

Give Gokuu SSj4. Give him ALL of Vegeta's, Piccolo's, Gohan's, Kaioshin's, and every Dragonball character alive's abilities and techniques and Gokuu will STILL LOSE HORRIBLY TO WAR HULK. STOP BEING IGNORANT.
Well if he gained Garlic jr.'s ability, he'd be immortal in a way... (yes I know it's filler).

[Kucheeky Badkuya]

Well if he gained Garlic jr.'s ability, he'd be immortal in a way... (yes I know it's filler).

That would be sweet.

[Tsukiyomi]

yea i like how SSj4 and all is not alowed in this thread of blowing up planets etc.. ur taking alot of goku's STR's away....


o well.

IMHO SS4 seems more like a step down. The GT characters were so unbelievably inconsistent I don't see how you can use anything from it. Goku at the end of GT (when he should have been at his strongest) had trouble lifting a building, when in the original dragonball (at his weakest) he was able to move a small mountain before training.

As for blowing up planets. People love to say "oh, he could just blow the planet up". Think about that for just a minute, would Goku EVER for ANY reason EVER blow up the earth? He would never sacrifice a planet to win a fight, he's never blown up a planet and never will.

War Hulk is capable of destroying planets, but I doubt he would.

[Ssj3_Goku]

think out of the box and stop being iggnorant? i should say that to alot of the people here that are going aganist goku..

at the end of GT he absorbed the dragonballs witch would make him immortal and the assumed power lvl of 1 billion..

[Tsukiyomi]

You ignored my last post.

think out of the box and stop being iggnorant? i should say that to alot of the people here that are going aganist goku..

at the end of GT he absorbed the dragonballs witch would make him immortal and the assumed power lvl of 1 billion..

Didn't someone just say power levels were never validated by toriyama? And after the Freiza saga I believe there aren't any official power levels.

And if his power level really was that high, why did he had trouble lifting that stupid building?

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ umm when did he lift a building after he got those dragonballs into him? ii really got to watch that episode again please direct me to it.

[Takuza]

SSJ3_Goku....Tell me ONE way Goku could beat the Hulk. Every single one of your reasons has been contered so far............

[Ssj3_Goku]

one way.... umm let me think back into DBZ Movies , the show etc..



Goku : SOLAR FLARe.

Hulk : AHH my eyes what did u do to my eyes ! AHH i cannot see...

Goku : KAaaameehaaameehaaaaaaaa ( so freaking huge bigger than the kid buus and gohones against cells) that he pushes him up into the sun like he did against cooler..


or

GOku : SOlar FLARE!

Hulk: Ahh my eyES!

Goku : Super Spirit Bomb! ( aka thats what the one was called against buu since he went super sayien to put more power into it so figure how much power would be in it at ssj3 lvl)

i can think of a few more ways but those 2 are pretty nice.

[Tsukiyomi]

^ umm when did he lift a building after he got those dragonballs into him? ii really got to watch that episode again please direct me to it.

I have a question for you, how is it possible to know his power level after absorbing the dragonballs? He didn't do anything after absorbing them.

And in GT their power levels should have been in the upper hundred millions yet in many ways they seemed weaker than before.

And if Goku is such a brilliant fighter, why couldn't he figure out that 17 was getting stronger each time he was attacked?

Nothing Goku would ever be willing to do would beat the Hulk, it would be like fighting Cell or Kid Buu, someone who will regenerate and just keep getting stronger.

As for Solar Flare, the Hulk's eyes would recover instantly, the solar flare wouldn't do shit.

As for the Spirt Bomb, do you honestly think War Hulk will sit there and let him form it?

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ thats not the question i asked...


oo i am sure he would recover instantly.. righttttt..

[Tsukiyomi]

He didn't lift the building after getting the dragon balls, it was shortly before hand, but his power should still have been more than sufficient if GT were anything more than garbage.

How about you answer all my questions, you still dodged my posts.

Do you have any idea what it means to have a healing factor like the Hulks? You recover instantly from damn near everything.

[Takuza]

Well...that takes care of all your solar flare plains.....

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ i am sure he would recover sooooo fast i mean he got freakin belted by the sun danmmit.. geez people are sure going overboard on some issues.

the spirit bomb he could get up pretty fast. .considering the kid buu saga one that one gained alot faster than freazia and the GT one was even faster than that.



still i would belt his ass towards the sun with a huge ass kamemeha.

[Takuza]

well...now we know where we disagree...you don't think he can regenerate fast enough...well...I hope someone else well be able to prove that...since I can't.........

[Kamendex]

think out of the box and stop being iggnorant? i should say that to alot of the people here that are going aganist goku..

at the end of GT he absorbed the dragonballs witch would make him immortal and the assumed power lvl of 1 billion..

Wow.....for someone who likes Dragonball so much, you sure know VERY little about it......go grab the manga....read it, come back and tell us how wrong you are......

Dragonballs make him immortal......where the HELL did you pull this crap out of? A power level of 1 billion? Are you sure you're ok? Do you not see ANYTHING wrong with your reasoning? I feel like I'm talking to a 12 year old Dragonball fan who has only seen the DUB/FUNimatiuon version of Dragonball.....you my friend are in denial.

[Tsukiyomi]

^ i am sure he would recover sooooo fast i mean he got freakin belted by the sun danmmit.. geez people are sure going overboard on some issues.

the spirit bomb he could get up pretty fast. .considering the kid buu saga one that one gained alot faster than freazia and the GT one was even faster than that.

Belted by the sun? What the fuck are you talking about? The Solar flare is just a bright light that temporarily blinds someone until their eyes can recover. The Hulks body is able to regenerate from almost nothing lighting fast, recovering from just that minor damage to his eyes would take less than the amount of time it takes him to blink.

As for the spirit bomb, it doesn't matter, in both cases he still had to stand still for a very long time, the Hulk is not going to just sit there and let him gather than energy, and on top of that, all spirit bombs move slowly, the Hulk is more than fast enough to dodge it, hell I could probably dodge it. I'm not going to just stand there like the dbz villains did.

[Ssj3_Goku]

their was no manga for gt ....... he only got permission to do the show not draw the characters in the manga.

where does that light come from??? the sun jack.


i think the hulk is to slow to dodge that size of a spirit bomb.. ( the gt ones was freaking huge and on top of it it was fast coming down at him)

[Vodrake]

If I remember correctly, Tsukiyomi posted an image of Hulk recovering from being almost completley destroyed from a nuclear bomb(I think) hit within a few seconds. Solar Flare ain't got nothin' on that.

[Tsukiyomi]

If I remember correctly, Tsukiyomi (or was it Gooba :S ) posted an image of Hulk recovering from being almost completley destroyed from a nuclear bomb hit within a few seconds. Solar Flare ain't got nothin' on that.

That would be me, pretty much every hulk pic on this forum originally came from me heres the pic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/GammaBeast/HULKEND.jpg

And here is one of the Hulk recovering from being a skeleton after Vector repelled all his flesh off (previous page has the frame of him as a skeleton).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/GammaBeast/Hulk_U_Foes_4.jpg

[۩ReYmДN-dono۩]

If I remember correctly, Tsukiyomi (or was it Gooba :S ) posted an image of Hulk recovering from being almost completley destroyed from a nuclear bomb hit within a few seconds. Solar Flare ain't got nothin' on that.
if he regenerates after being completly destroyed .........hulk its ridiculous ...this match its not fair ....any match vs the hulk its not fair then

[Ssj3_Goku]

well if where tlaking about military forces here.. all dbz villins where attacked by the military and not even a scratch was on them.. the villiens all laughed and then the miliitary all died... why do i bring this up? because if military str could not do anything against the dbz villains but acculy do stuff to the hulk then thats pretty bad.

Plus the only damage the dbz villians got infliiced on was by goku or vegeta or any sayien.

in anycase i am off to play SWG.

[copyninja_kakashi]

you got to be freaking kidding me
goku would fucking win theres
no competition here
remember that goku
could become super sayin 3 in dbz

[Takuza]

you got to be freaking kidding me
goku would fucking win theres
no competition here
remember that goku
could become super sayin 3 in dbz

DID YOU RAED THE REST OF THIS THREAD!???!!!???

Do you need to ask? -Gooba

[Tsukiyomi]

well if where tlaking about military forces here.. all dbz villins where attacked by the military and not even a scratch was on them.. the villiens all laughed and then the miliitary all died... why do i bring this up? because if military str could not do anything against the dbz villains but acculy do stuff to the hulk then thats pretty bad.

Plus the only damage the dbz villians got infliiced on was by goku or vegeta or any sayien.

in anycase i am off to play SWG.

I don't recall any of them ever being hit with nuclear weapons. They were hit with small arms fire and heavy artiller shells. The Hulk can shrug those off like nothing. Show me the episode/chapter where a DBZ character was hit with a nuclear missle.

The fact remains that even if Goku could hurt the Hulk, he would just instantly recover. The madder he gets the stronger he gets, the more durable he gets and the faster he is able to heal.

[Raistlin-sama]

Goku : SOLAR FLARe.

Hulk : AHH my eyes what did u do to my eyes ! AHH i cannot see...

Goku : KAaaameehaaameehaaaaaaaa ( so freaking huge bigger than the kid buus and gohones against cells) that he pushes him up into the sun like he did against cooler..
Honestly, when you have to pull in completly non-canon material from crap movies, that have nothing to do with the manga, then it's a sure sign, that your in denial. I don't think Goku's kamehameha can shoot anyone into the sun, it defies most logic.

I don't know anything about the hulk. But I have now seen all the owerwhelming proof for him winning, how hard can it be to understand?

Just give it up...

[CrazyMoronX]

I think it should be obvious to anyone that has read any posts by Tsukiyomi at all, that Hulk is basically unkillable.

But, I think that if Goku destroys him entirely, bones included, he would not regenerate. Simply put, he needs some kind of cells to regenerate with. When he was skeletal, he still had tissue inside of his bones.

I'm sure Goku could muster up a kamehameha, or other Ki attack that has the power to erradicate Hulk completely, wether or not he would have the time to muster this attack is debatable.

Genki Dama would kill Hulk if it was powerful enough and hit, since he has evil inside of him. But it's debatable if Hulk would stick around long enough to get hit by that or not.

My contention is this: Goku would kill Hulk. He could teleport to a nearby planet, possibly New Namek, charge up a huge-ass Genki Dama, then teleport right behind Hulk like he did to Cell, and just lay it on him.

[۩ReYmДN-dono۩]

The fact remains that even if Goku could hurt the Hulk, he would just instantly recover. The madder he gets the stronger he gets, the more durable he gets and the faster he is able to heal.
then hulk shouldnt be put again the in the battledome...........cuz he would always wins........so hulk wins this fight

[Tsukiyomi]

But, I think that if Goku destroys him entirely, bones included, he would not regenerate. Simply put, he needs some kind of cells to regenerate with. When he was skeletal, he still had tissue inside of his bones.

I don't know about that. The Maestro was essentially atomized by the Gamma Bomb, but still managed to survive and come back.

I'm sure Goku could muster up a kamehameha, or other Ki attack that has the power to erradicate Hulk completely, wether or not he would have the time to muster this attack is debatable.

I doubt he would have time, the Hulk isn't a Shonen Villain, he won't just stand there waiting for goku to power up and finish calling out the name of his move.

Genki Dama would kill Hulk if it was powerful enough and hit, since he has evil inside of him. But it's debatable if Hulk would stick around long enough to get hit by that or not.

I'll say it again, that move is amazingly slow. I could probably run out of the way, the normal green hulk can easily run several hundred miles an hour, its even debatable as to wether or not the gamma energy in the hulk would allow him to make contact with the spirit bomb. The Hulk would definetly have the raw power necessary to push it back.

My contention is this: Goku would kill Hulk. He could teleport to a nearby planet, possibly New Namek, charge up a huge-ass Genki Dama, then teleport right behind Hulk like he did to Cell, and just lay it on him.

Once again, when has Goku ever destroyed a planet? He doesn't destroy planets to win fights, especially if this fight takes place on earth.

Also, notice he didn't destroy all of cell, only the upper half, and the Hulk is quite a bit larger than cell.

[CrazyMoronX]

Obviously you didn't understand that last part.

Genki Dama isn't Kamehameha. That blew Cell in half because it was just large enough to do that. Genki Gama of the magnitude to destroy Hulk would be enormous, and he would be pushing it right into the back of his head coming down, guaranteeing total body coverage.

Also, this doesn't have anything to do with destroying a planet, as what I will now refer to as the "Buu Bomb" did not destroy that planet, but was the most powerful Genki Dama ever summoned by Goku at that point.

[Insipidipity]

He'd take a while to heal if he hit the back of his head, but seriously, do you realize just how impervious the Hulk is to damage in ADDITION to his insane healing?

[Code]

Well there's no limit to how much of the universe's Goku can potentially handle. It all depends on if he can draw from the power and control it...

[Insipidipity]

Well there's no limit to how much of the universe's Goku can potentially handle. It all depends on if he can draw from the power and control it...
Theres also no limit to the Hulk's strength, durability/toughness, and regeneration. The madder hulk gets, the stronger he gets.

[Takuza]

If the hulk CAN"T regerate after having no cells left...then Goku COULD win. just like crazymoron said, teleport, gain power, find away to hit him so that it won't blow up the planet.

[braindx]

im pretty sure the hulk cant die to a physical attack, heh... remember he has held open black holes and stopped juggernaut... both of which are physically impossible (laws of physics and such). holding open a black hole requires more strength and energy than a part of energy from every being in the universe (genki dama) since the mass becomes infinitely dense at the black hole's singularity and it would take more strength/energy to hold that open than life force energy.

[ageofdarkness]

I still think the Hulk can regenerate from absolutely nothing.

As Tsukiyomi said, the Maestro after being hit with the Gamma Bomb had no cells or atoms left, yet he still came back.

If some ultimate Genki Dama completely destroys every cell and atom of War Hulk, (That's if he lets Goku do that) I believe he will still come back.

[Gooba]

This thread is making me angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

[Ssj3_Goku]

I don't recall any of them ever being hit with nuclear weapons. They were hit with small arms fire and heavy artiller shells. The Hulk can shrug those off like nothing. Show me the episode/chapter where a DBZ character was hit with a nuclear missle.

The fact remains that even if Goku could hurt the Hulk, he would just instantly recover. The madder he gets the stronger he gets, the more durable he gets and the faster he is able to heal.


umm frezia's blasts where bigger and more powerful than a nuke LOL.

[lucky]

Gooba smashes and bashes puny forumites....

[Gooba]

Gooba smashes and bashes puny forumites....Funny you should phrase it like that, I used to yell "Goober Smash!!!" before hitting things.

[Kamendex]

People lets stop debating this now.....the only way to counter stupidity is to become stupid and I do not want to stoop that low....

SSj3 Gokuu.....you are awesome my friend.

"Frieza's blasts are stronger than nukes lolz!"

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ sure make fun of me i dont really care.


But look at one of frezia's high end blast's and it just looks like a freaking nuke going off.


Seriously ALOT and i MEAN ALOT OF u people underistimate how powerful a Super Sayien Really is and considering their is 3 lvls ( 4 with gt) .

U might call me aggnorant and all that but half the people in this thread are also the same way about the hulk and exagerate on some stuff about the hulk as well.

O well ....

[Kamendex]

...underestimate.....buddy I know more about Dragonball than you will ever know in your life. I know more about what they are capable of than you can comprehend.....and I am not STUPID enough to say Gokuu can beat the Hulk...

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ say all u want on how much u know dragonball blah blah blah.... I know people who know everything about dragaonball and say the same exact same thing .. Some people here are just sick of Dragonball being the all mighty powerfull people..

Its just that u dont put time and effort to think about the power of a super sayein into account of what u put against him.

You my friend are SEriously UNDERESTIMATING SUPER SAYIENS THAT IS A FACT.

[Kamendex]

^ say all u want on how much u know dragonball blah blah blah.... I know people who know everything about dragaonball and say the same exact same thing .. Some people here are just sick of Dragonball being the all mighty powerfull people..

Its just that u dont put time and effort to think about the power of a super sayein into account of what u put against him.

You my friend are SEriously UNDERESTIMATING SUPER SAYIENS THAT IS A FACT.

Explain to me how I am underestimating Super Saiya-jins.......? Did you even READ what the Hulk can do?

The only thing I am sick of is people like you saying Dragonball characters can beat these type of comic characters....

[braindx]

^ say all u want on how much u know dragonball blah blah blah.... I know people who know everything about dragaonball and say the same exact same thing .. Some people here are just sick of Dragonball being the all mighty powerfull people..

Its just that u dont put time and effort to think about the power of a super sayein into account of what u put against him.

You my friend are SEriously UNDERESTIMATING SUPER SAYIENS THAT IS A FACT.

You my friend are SEriously OVERESTIMATING SUPER SAYIENS THAT IS A FACT.

christ, did you at least read the manga? all i hear from you are anime this, anime that, movie this, movie that! GT GT GT! THOSE ARE NOT CANON!!!!!!!!! only the 520 manga chapters! I WILL EVEN SEND YOU THE SCANLATED MANGA! its only about ~500 mb

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ dude if u can that would be great! i need the db manga on my pc again.. collecting manga for my anime/ manga server got over 155 gig.


GT u could say did not count or what not. but he did get permission from akira toryiama to make it and akira was their for for how the characters would look and what ssj4 would look like.

u could say i am overestimating super sayiens. but seeing how they dont get harmed from bigger blast's than what a nuclear bomb does then thats pretty much all i need.

[Gooba]

I WILL EVEN SEND YOU THE SCANLATED MANGA! its only about ~500 mbUm, would you mind sending it my way too, please.

but seeing how they dont get harmed from bigger blast's than what a nuclear bomb does then thats pretty much all i need.Good thing the Hulk can dish out damage way beyond that as well.

[braindx]

both of you can aim me at 'eshlow' umm this weekend i think. i wont really be around anymore until the weekend i think since i have to work thurs and fri. and now im off to sleep after i finish this post. if you dont want to wait that long, here the the torrent where i got it from (and amazingly its still active with 7 seeders :))

http://www.boxtorrents.com/download.php/11865/(C)%20Dragon%20Ball.torrent

goku has no way of harming the hulk and even if he gets a few scratches it will just make him stronger. he'll just get annihilated. the hulk breaks the laws of physics which makes him the ultimate melee fighter. physical attacks are like nothing to him. as already noted, the SS powerups goku has STILL dont let him to even hold a candle to what the hulk is physically capable of

GT is a big no-no. not only is it inconsitent with power levels as people have already noted, but it lacks the solid footing of a manga which means even if drawings or whatnot come from the creator of the manga, the actual ideas/fights/abilities/power levels/etc. of the characters cannot be considered on equal footing with those previous established because they are from an unlike source

[JusDaMan]

! I WILL EVEN SEND YOU THE SCANLATED MANGA! its only about ~500 mb

Dood send it to me too? LOL... im like the third to ask... but yea i actucally want it. and is it only the Z series? or the entire thing... cause in the manga there is no "Z" 100% DB. Ill send u the entire kenshin manga =P or hikaru no go Or love hina or whatever!

Also... IF i remember correctly... Chou gohan is the strongest in DB not goku ssj3, however i could be wrong.
There are Part truths to certain Dragon ball things.
The only 2 atom bombs ever dropped in hiroshima and nagasaki both straight up blew up the citys.
We see in the dragon ball z anime nappa blew up a city with 2 fingers. It can be ASSUMED Atom bomb>=<nappa finger thingy (Yea i did all 3 signs)
It can be fact that buu is stronger than nappa. and logically buu's 2 finger thingy > nappa's 2 finger thingy>=<Atom bombs

Ok then it can be assumed Goku's Genki dama > Buu's 2 finger thingy
and therefore goku's genki dama > Atom bombs.

BUT OFCORSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOGIC..... Then alot of dragon ball stuff does not make sence.

I have never seen or heard of War hulk until now. but i have done research for about 1/2 hr and read up on stuff...

I am going to assume War hulk is wayyyyyy stronger than hulk. and i think i read something about war hulk beating something called the 8th day juggarneut.. i am going to assume the 8th day juggarneut is something similar to god's creation or something of that sort. I duno... well anyway, I also read something about a person named maestro being hulk's buffed up form that absorbs radiation. I duno... Maybe someone is gonna give me some background information about warhulk.

Oh yea and BTW... there can be alot of fights going on. It does not always have to be about strength. for instance

Goku vs war hulk in weight lifting contest.
goku vs war hulk in eating contest
goku vs war hulk in running to reach the speed force (DC)
goku vs war hulk in getting madder.

whatever's good
theres always gonna be fans of ______ and always gonna be fans of Goku (notice i am not saying Dragon ball).

oh yea back on my original post... I WANT the 500mb MANGA PLX

[Kamendex]

You are correct, Chou Gohan is the strongest non-fused character in Dragonball....by FFAAAAAR.

[¤Naruto-Kun¤]

GOKU has got this, everytime there is someone that is really strong who comes along...Goku finds a way to surpass him/her :cool
So the ansewer is...War Hulk has no CHANCE against kakarot :P

[Code]

You are correct, Chou Gohan is the strongest non-fused character in Dragonball....by FFAAAAAR.
Even more so than Goku who has trained for 10 continous years after the Buu Saga?

I like how you seem to insult people and take a superior tone and expect all to agree with you.(Maybe a tad bit of an exaggeration.)

[Ssj3_Goku]

Even more so than Goku who has trained for 10 continous years after the Buu Saga?

I like how you seem to insult people and take a superior tone and expect all to agree with you.(Maybe a tad bit of an exaggeration.)


yea i dont htink gohon trained much or hardly at all during that 10 years where goku did every danm day i bet... SO goku is the strongest in his universe. ( non fused) fused would be vegeto at the end of dbz.

[Kamendex]

Even more so than Goku who has trained for 10 continous years after the Buu Saga?

I like how you seem to insult people and take a superior tone and expect all to agree with you.(Maybe a tad bit of an exaggeration.)

You realize the concept of potential....correct?

Gohan's potential is higher than Gokuu's and Half-Breeds have a higher potential than full blooded Saiya-jins.

Gohan's full potential was unlocked by the Chou Power Up.....he never has to train a day in his life, for power that is, because he will NEVER get stronger or weaker....

Gokuu no matter how much he trains can NEVER surpass Gohan.....and the gap between him and Gohan, WOULD need more than 10 years to close......WAY more.

[Ssj3_Goku]

Umm gohon did not train at all it would seem for that 10 years and we know how weak gohon gets without training.. aka fat buu.

[uatl]

Yes...
Comparing two different things in completely different world by using facts that don't even exist...

Where you get the "fact" that Kamekameha cannot harm War Hulk?
Since crossover is useless (according to Gooba) there is no way that you can tell who can win...

[Kamendex]

^ stop double posting its against the rules.. mature one.



Umm gohon did not train at all it would seem for that 10 years and we know how weak gohon gets without training.. aka fat buu.

Did you even read what I fucking posted??

GOHAN CANT GET WEAKER OR STRONGER.....TRAINING DOESNT MATTER.....

[Code]

You realize the concept of potential....correct?

Gohan's potential is higher than Gokuu's and Half-Breeds have a higher potential than full blooded Saiya-jins.

Gohan's full potential was unlocked by the Chou Power Up.....he never has to train a day in his life, for power that is, because he will NEVER get stronger or weaker....

Gokuu no matter how much he trains can NEVER surpass Gohan.....and the gap between him and Gohan, WOULD need more than 10 years to close......WAY more.
And I believe Gohan's potential was released before on Namek....

Each individual has their own potential. You can train past your limits if you work hard enough and the fact that Goku should be a special case considering how much times he's died and how much training he got during that time he was dead.

Gohan can get weaker... Don't use your muscles for so long. They deteriorate ... Don't fight for long your fighitng senses will dull.

[Kamendex]

And I believe Gohan's potential was released before on Namek....

Each individual has their own potential. You can train past your limits if you work hard enough and the fact that Goku should be a special case considering how much times he's died and how much training he got during that time he was dead.

Only a part of Gohan's potential was unlocked on Namek.....as was stated by Guru.

You cannot go past your limits....which is why they are called ur LIMITS...Gokuu is no special case....each individual does have a set amount of potential....but Half-Breeds have more than Full Blooded Saiya-jins.

Uhh....Gohan CANT get weaker....his full potential was unlocked....do you not get what I am saying? O.o

[uatl]

Why can't you pass your limits?

Last time I check, War Hulk did something that is IMPOSSIBLE...which made me wonder why people call that impossible...

[Gooba]

I got an idea, everyone calm the fuck down. Go back to arguing the facts.

Facts:
War Hulk is stronger than Goku
War Hulk is tougher than Goku
War Hulk is slower than Goku
War Hulk can fight people faster than Goku and hit them
War Hulk regenerates from anything, fast
War Hulk has no limit to strength, toughness, or regeneration
Goku has limits
War Hulk has shrugged off more powerful hits than SSJ3 Goku can give

Conclusion:
War Hulk wins.

Now debate that nicely.

[Kamendex]

Why can't you pass your limits?

Last time I check, War Hulk did something that is IMPOSSIBLE...which made me wonder why people call that impossible...

We are talking about Dragonball not the comic universe, in which everything defies logic.

[ocsicnarf]

plain and simple, hulk is just boring. They shoulda said it from the beginning, he cannot age, die, etc. Its just retarded on how the hell he gets his powers from. Anything that bleeds can die.

[Tsukiyomi]

You realize the concept of potential....correct?

Gohan's potential is higher than Gokuu's and Half-Breeds have a higher potential than full blooded Saiya-jins.

Gohan's full potential was unlocked by the Chou Power Up.....he never has to train a day in his life, for power that is, because he will NEVER get stronger or weaker....

Gokuu no matter how much he trains can NEVER surpass Gohan.....and the gap between him and Gohan, WOULD need more than 10 years to close......WAY more.

Not to jump subjects, but personally I disagree with the statement that Gohan had the greatest potential.

Whenever Goku trained himself to truly improve himself, he increased in strength faster than anyone else could have. When he trained Gohan for a year he was training to help Gohan, not to help himself.

Take the training in space on his way to Namek, (I'm going by the english anime numbers so correct me if I'm wrong), he went from a power level of 5,000 to 180,000 in about 6 days, percentage-wise thats insane.

Gohan had to have help time and time again to become strong, he had the elder on namek "release his potential", he had the elder kai "release his potential", piccolo had to help train him specifically to get his power, Goku trained him at the expense of his own growth.

I won't be stupid and say Goku never got help or training, but atleast he EARNED all of his power. I believe had he trained himself instead of Gohan or gone in the room of space and time with Vegeta instead, then they both would have been strong enough to beat Cell.

Now back to the topic at hand, the Hulk is able to grow in strength at speeds Goku cannot hope to match. War Hulk in his base form could destroy a planet with a punch, and he's only going to get stronger and stronger as the fight goes on.

plain and simple, hulk is just boring. They shoulda said it from the beginning, he cannot age, die, etc. Its just retarded on how the hell he gets his powers from. Anything that bleeds can die.

How about you actually read the Hulk before you comment on the story, its an amazing story. Personally I like it better than dragonball, but thats just me, I grew up on the Hulk.

[Insipidipity]

Hulk is an amazing story, but terrible to use in fights. In fact, anyone near invulnerable or with superregeneration or can't die or is just superstrong really shouldn't be in the battledome. Fights about flexing your muscles really aren't that interesting to imagine. You need people like Spiderman, captain america, Daredevil and Batman who are graceful and good fighters but not ridiculously strong.

[P-Nut]

warhulk is constantly in hulk form or does he need to transform :p? if so goku could easily finish him off if he's in bruce banner form or is war hulk a totally different character if so im sorry I joined this thread :p

[Tsukiyomi]

Base of 8,000 (max of 32,000 against Vegeta) to base of 90,000 (max of 180,000 against Captain Ginyu). Goku used Yonbai Kaiouken against Vegeta, but only used Kaiouken (contrary to popular belief, Kaiouken and Nibai Kaiouken are the same thing) against Captain Ginyu.

Still...yeah, it's a huge change, but it doesn't change the fact that it's stated that Gohan's potential is the highest.

When he hit 32,000 though thats not really his max power, he used kaiouken to push himself beyond his max, thats why King Kai was afraid his body would destroy itself.

Against captain Ginyu that was his own power he brought to the surface, he was using kaiouken against Freiza, not Ginyu.

I agree Hulk is a hard person to put in a fight against anyone non-cosmic, except of course against someone like Doomsday.

Also, War Hulk doesn't revert back to Banner.

[Code]

Goku pWns aLl, evERyBodY is nothing cOmPARed to Goku, Goku>>>Gohan, Hulk, Batman with prep, Silver Surfer and Saint of Killers!!111!!!@!!!%!

Finally something I can agree with you on.

[Gooba]

If you can't find those 2 pages of Goku vs Gohan, check this out.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=29899

Goku pwns the universe with 1 spirit bomb, GG Hulk, GG.

[kapsi]

War Hulk, he regenerates so well he makes Buu look like a leper. Stopping the Juggernaut is physically impossible, as in the laws of physics were rewritten to say he cannot be stopped, yet he did it.
that makes sense

[stomponfrogs]

After reading the first few pages, I think it seems pretty clear that the only people voting for Goku are the ones that really don't know much about War Hulk. Personally, I know I don't, but after reading what a lot of you have to say, it seems like he's invinsible (except in cases involving a gamma bomb). Unless Goku manages to get one of those, it seems like he doesn't have a chance.

By the way, did all of you get this information on Marvel characters from reading comics, or is there some kind of website out there that says all of this?

[Orochi_King]

well hell teleprot to the piccolo land en have him there heyyy hulk will be happier thee since all of the people there look green so he doesnt need to be angry so

goku pawns him



Or maybe goku weill just beat him up u mean Goku is so powerful
en hes too fast to i mean there is no anime that can with stand the speed en power of dbz

[braindx]

well hell teleprot to the piccolo land en have him there heyyy hulk will be happier thee since all of the people there look green so he doesnt need to be angry so

goku pawns him



Or maybe goku weill just beat him up u mean Goku is so powerful
en hes too fast to i mean there is no anime that can with stand the speed en power of dbz

... anime, maybe. comics, yes. As we've already determined.

[Final Ultima]

This versus thread is Goku vs War Hulk, not vs Bruce Banner, reverting is not a concern in this thread.

[lekki]

War Hulk is the only thing in recorded history to stop the original Juggernaut with all his powers, not the pussy current Juggernaut that isn't even invulnerable.
Goku can be hurt, remember Krillin threw a rock at him once when he was unaware and it hurt him.

[Final Ultima]

Filler, but yes, Goku can still be hurt by much less.

[Xenophobia]

yes... Goku got hurt by a little pebble, with a tear drop coming out of him... yet, get plowed through a mountain by a punch that could split the earth in half and shrug it off it was it nothing....

[Tsukiyomi]

yes... Goku got hurt by a little pebble, with a tear drop coming out of him... yet, get plowed through a mountain by a punch that could split the earth in half and shrug it off it was it nothing....

In terms of physical strength the DBZ characters aren't that extreme. I doubt that could shatter a planet with a punch, the focus has always been more on spiritual power.

The Hulk on the other hand is a nigh-unstoppable physical engine of destruction.

[itachiunleashed]

hulk is unstoppable...thats it id like to see goku try anything

[tdultima]

blow up planet

if hulk is still alive shoot him towards the sun

get dragonballs and wish back the planet

gg hulk


why do people keep mentioning nuclear explosions when every dbz character since vegeta (galic gun) could blow up the earth?

[Tsukiyomi]

blow up planet

if hulk is still alive shoot him towards the sun

get dragonballs and wish back the planet

gg hulk


why do people keep mentioning nuclear explosions when every dbz character since vegeta (galic gun) could blow up the earth?

Do you honestly believe Goku would be willing to kill off an entire planet just to get the hulk? Even if he knew he could bring them back? Goku would never harm an innocent being.

[kapsi]

He let King Kaio die.

[Othni]

Do you honestly believe Goku would be willing to kill off an entire planet just to get the hulk? Even if he knew he could bring them back? Goku would never harm an innocent being.

Cell saga *cough*

[Tsukiyomi]

King Kai was fine, aside from having to live in a palace, his life was absolutely the same as it had always been.

Thats quite different from the billions of people he would have killed letting cell stay.

[Code]

Do you honestly believe Goku would be willing to kill off an entire planet just to get the hulk? Even if he knew he could bring them back? Goku would never harm an innocent being.
He killed his grandfather...

(Who knows... he might end up getting his tail somehow and looking at the moon which conveniently pops up...)

[Kamendex]

He killed his grandfather...

(Who knows... he might end up getting his tail somehow and looking at the moon which conveniently pops up...)

Except Gokuu wasnt WILLING to kill Grandpa Gohan....he turned Oozaru and had no control.....and why would him going Oozaru make it better? It's weaker than his transformations...(well weaker than SSj3).

[Code]

Well who knows what will happen if he magically grows his tails back, there's a full moon, and he's super saiyan 3...

I merely pointed out a condition in which he was "willing to kill."

[Maffy the Love Doctor]

I doubt that could shatter a planet with a punch

frieza can with a finger:smile-big. i vote that they rule the universe together (with madonna of course).

[Bullet]

I go with War Hulk.

[azn_sephiroth]

frieza can with a finger:smile-big. i vote that they rule the universe together (with madonna of course).

omg hahaha

I voted goku

[XxGreat Hokage NarutoxX]

in terms of stamina hulk has the advantage as we know that super saiyan 3 cant be held as long as the hulks state, but goku is much faster then hulk and as we know all the strength in the world aint shit if u cant hit the opponent.....but in the long run goku's ki attacks would take hulk out no contest

[braindx]

omg hahaha

I voted goku

And you would be wrong. Read the thread.


in terms of stamina hulk has the advantage as we know that super saiyan 3 cant be held as long as the hulks state, but goku is much faster then hulk and as we know all the strength in the world aint shit if u cant hit the opponent.....but in the long run goku's ki attacks would take hulk out no contest

Read the thread. Hulk has faced opponents who can move faster than Goku and can keep up with them. Hulk wins.

[azn_sephiroth]

And you would be wrong. Read the thread.

As far as I know....Goku's winning. So I wouldn't careless ^_^

And as far as comparing speed from Goku and other characters....I don't think any of us are accurate, because they're not in the same show. So we really don't know IF he can- be hit, or not by the Hulk.

[Cthulhu-versailles]

war hulk grabs goku while he's trying some beyond light speed crap and tears him in half end of story.

OTHER SCENERIO

goku charges up ultra blast blows up the solar system killing them both

I don't get what this discussion is about

Goku cannot teleport him into the sun.. just in case that was said by anyone

[braindx]

As far as I know....Goku's winning. So I wouldn't careless ^_^

And as far as comparing speed from Goku and other characters....I don't think any of us are accurate, because they're not in the same show. So we really don't know IF he can- be hit, or not by the Hulk.

That's because the people on this forum have a bias for a character they know, and they think DBZ is more powerful than they are without knowing anything about the other character first. Simple as that.

Hulk is not as fast as Goku, true, but he has fought people with superior speeds than Goku and won.

[Bullet]

That's because the people on this forum have a bias for a character they know, and they think DBZ is more powerful than they are without knowing anything about the other character first. Simple as that.

Hulk is not as fast as Goku, true, but he has fought people with superior speeds than Goku and won.


Exaly!:Gaaraball

[GTOnizukadude]

ah, good. ssj3 goku is gone. He had no idea what was going on-_-u

Thank you Kamendex for fighting him. Rep for you!

[Kamendex]

ah, good. ssj3 goku is gone. He had no idea what was going on-_-u

Thank you Kamendex for fighting him. Rep for you!

haha thnx....he was such a fanboy.

[azn_sephiroth]

war hulk grabs goku while he's trying some beyond light speed crap and tears him in half end of story.

OTHER SCENERIO

goku charges up ultra blast blows up the solar system killing them both

I don't get what this discussion is about

Goku cannot teleport him into the sun.. just in case that was said by anyone

I'm agreeing with the second theory haha

[Bullet]

Hulk wins. SSJ3/4 Goku isn't packing enough punching/fire power to stop War Hulk. Hes been up against people far stronger than Goku, and as he gets madder his attacks become more and more softer. Every thing ssj3/4 Goku throw at him War Hulk will heal from in seconds.

[Green Lantern]

Quite funny thing though- Everyone agree's that Kid Buu is far superior to Hulk
and Goku beat Kid Buu,
but Goku cannot beat Hulk

Why is that?

[konflikti]

Quite funny thing though- Everyone agree's that Kid Buu is far superior to Hulk
and Goku beat Kid Buu,
but Goku cannot beat Hulk

Why is that?
Because a>b and b>c doesn't mean a>c in comic fights. Dunno if Kid Buu is superior to Hulk tho'...

[Tsukune Aono (inactive)]

what is SSJ3 Goku...and i think Goku will win

[Othni]

Quite funny thing though- Everyone agree's that Kid Buu is far superior to Hulk
and Goku beat Kid Buu,
but Goku cannot beat Hulk

Why is that?

Because buu can't really be hurt by physical attacks which the hulk is mainly that. It's just different types of abilities. That's all. That's just like saying that A firehose beat Sandman and...pikachu beat the firehose...does that mean pikachu can beat sandman. Just all in the powers.

[Kamendex]

Kid Buu cant beat Hulk, Hulk cant beat Kid Buu. In terms of power and regeneration Hulk is far superior.

[Zariel]

I need a quick clarification, which brain does war hulk have? grey, green, or bruce?

In all instances War Hulk wins, its just how fast he wins.

And as it has been stated war hulk can stop someone who can go the speed of light (silver surfer) and defy the laws of the universe (stop juggernaught)

[Gaara137]

goku got my vote...