Goku (DBZ not GT) vs War Hulk

[tdultima]

can we at least agree that it was possible that goku ITed away from buu's attack?

can he not lock onto buu or the genki dama's ki to pinpoint the exact location to reappear?

my main point is that goku can IT while charging beams to counter the people that say goku takes forever to charge and the hulk would just knock him out

besides the hulk is not that fast

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1189/capdodgehulk5bq.jpg

[konflikti]

Hulk isn't fast, but he can track objects of really high velocity and act accordingly. He can also jump long distances(something like 3 miles) and run quite fast, even if we rarely see him running(I read 150mph from somewhere, not sure about the credibility of the source).

[Tsukiyomi]

I'm surprised how fast this thread moves.

can we at least agree that it was possible that goku ITed away from buu's attack?

Possible, but very unlikely, what would he have locked onto? It just makes more sense to have side-stepped.

can he not lock onto buu or the genki dama's ki to pinpoint the exact location to reappear?

When he ITs he ITs to a KI signature, I don't recall him ever using a power as a reference point to find where he was in relation to it? Wouldn't that be risky? He could be wrong and end up inside a tree or a bird.

my main point is that goku can IT while charging beams to counter the people that say goku takes forever to charge and the hulk would just knock him out

Lets say that happens, Hulk isn't going to do like DBZ villains do and just stand there twitching his face until the beam reaches him, he'll move out of the way.

And at point blank the beam isn't wide enough to cover someone as big as the Hulk, Cell is smaller than the Hulk and only the upper half of his body was touched by the beam Goku shot point blank.

besides the hulk is not that fast
http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1189/capdodgehulk5bq.jpg

Thats initially, Hulk always catches them eventually. Think about it, as his strength grows more force will be moving his body.

He's caught people like speedfreak who is WAY faster than cap could ever hope to be, he's pulled the surfer off his board and caught spiderman who is far faster and more agile than Cap not to mention his spider sense to alert him of danger.

[Giant Enemy Crab]

SSJ3 Goku would own.

[Kamendex]

SSJ3 Goku would own.

You are a genius my friend....

[braindx]

When he ITs he ITs to a KI signature, I don't recall him ever using a power as a reference point to find where he was in relation to it? Wouldn't that be risky? He could be wrong and end up inside a tree or a bird.

Agreed. The Genki Dama is just a ball of energy. It doesn't have a Ki. When he ITs it has to be right next to a person with a Ki signature.

[Ssj3_Goku]

Dematrilaztation is goku's friend!

IT is also gokus friend in tough spots!

filler? umm if ur so sure that is a filler please post the manga chapter to it .. i can right now if u want and it says about buu doing that.


You are a genius my friend....

kamen u really need to stop insulting peoples OPINONS! he said ssj3 goku would own that is his opinion seriously stop being an asshole abuot what people choose on a message board.

[Pinkaugust]

When he ITs he ITs to a KI signature, I don't recall him ever using a power as a reference point to find where he was in relation to it? Wouldn't that be risky? He could be wrong and end up inside a tree or a bird.

Indeed it would be risky, but can still be done.

Lets say that happens, Hulk isn't going to do like DBZ villains do and just stand there twitching his face until the beam reaches him, he'll move out of the way.

Goku can sense Ki from far away space.. He could easilly sense Hulk from the other side of the planet and gather ki for his attack, It would take hulk quite some time to catch him then. plus Goku can steer the Ki-blast to wherever he wants, so he won't miss Hulk. Who is a quite big and compared to Gokus previous opponents quite slow too.

And at point blank the beam isn't wide enough to cover someone as big as the Hulk, Cell is smaller than the Hulk and only the upper half of his body was touched by the beam Goku shot point blank.

Then why shoot that close? and why not from behind? does it matter? he can still spread the blast.

Thats initially, Hulk always catches them eventually. Think about it, as his strength grows more force will be moving his body.

still doesn't matter.

He's caught people like speedfreak who is WAY faster than cap could ever hope to be, he's pulled the surfer off his board and caught spiderman who is far faster and more agile than Cap not to mention his spider sense to alert him of danger.
Doesn't mean he can catch Goku who can teleport away. Spidey may be warned but he still can't react if he's not fast enough..

[Kamendex]

Dematrilaztation is goku's friend!

IT is also gokus friend in tough spots!

filler? umm if ur so sure that is a filler please post the manga chapter to it .. i can right now if u want and it says about buu doing that.




kamen u really need to stop insulting peoples OPINONS! he said ssj3 goku would own that is his opinion seriously stop being an asshole abuot what people choose on a message board.

It was filler....go ahead and post that manga chapter.....

And umm....this isnt based on opinion...this is based on fact...this isnt a popularity contest....

[Pinkaugust]

Anyone here who disagrees that Buu can destroy an entire galaxy on his own, even if not in a single attack?

[Bullet]

Indeed it would be risky, but can still be done.



Goku can sense Ki from far away space.. He could easilly sense Hulk from the other side of the planet and gather ki for his attack, It would take hulk quite some time to catch him then. plus Goku can steer the Ki-blast to wherever he wants, so he won't miss Hulk. Who is a quite big and compared to Gokus previous opponents quite slow too.



Then why shoot that close? and why not from behind? does it matter? he can still spread the blast.



still doesn't matter.


Doesn't mean he can catch Goku who can teleport away. Spidey may be warned but he still can't react if he's not fast enough..

Why whould the battle start with them far from each other? This is supposed to be a fare fight. And each time Goku use IT it takes up some of his energy, I don't think he'll use that technique that much as he has superspeed instead. And if Goku throw a fully powered Kamehameha wave and it fails to finish Hulk (I'm sure Hulk will survive) off, the match is over, as he won't have enough energy left to continue fighting.

[Pinkaugust]

Why whould the battle start with them far from each other? This is supposed to be a fare fight. And each time Goku use IT it takes up some of his energy, I don't think he'll use that technique that much as he has superspeed instead. And if Goku throw a fully powered Kamehameha wave and it fails to finish Hulk (I'm sure Hulk will survive) off, the match is over, as he won't have enough energy left to continue fighting.
well, so does superspeed, and IT moves him faster. It's not fair to use all your power? Then if goku isn't allowed to use IT, then Hulk isn't allowed to use his power either, to get angry and strong, so then Goku wins again!!
Fully powered Kamehameha could take out alot of planets directly, why would hulk be stronger than the entire earth? or our solar system? And it would still tear him appart and destroy his cells, just like cell and buu, so he shouldn't be able to regenerate again. Even so, there would be no more planet for hulk to fight Goku on, and he'd be trapped in space, but Goku can IT away.

[Tsukiyomi]

well, so does superspeed, and IT moves him faster.

Whats your point? He's still using up energy and will eventually tire, Hulk can go on forever.

It's not fair to use all your power? Then if goku isn't allowed to use IT, then Hulk isn't allowed to use his power either, to get angry and strong, so then Goku wins again!!

Thats just stupid, IT is a technique you learn, the Hulks strength, speed, endurance, durability and regenerative powers are all natural things in his body. Thats like me saying Goku can't use any of his saiyan strength.

Fully powered Kamehameha could take out alot of planets directly, why would hulk be stronger than the entire earth? or our solar system? And it would still tear him appart and destroy his cells, just like cell and buu, so he shouldn't be able to regenerate again. Even so, there would be no more planet for hulk to fight Goku on, and he'd be trapped in space, but Goku can IT away.

I've yet to see a blast destroy something then go on to destroy something else, the closest we have is when Gohan's blast went through Cell, then it just faded into nothingness.

Now not to repeat that which has been said, but even if Hulk couldn't withstand such a blow without being damaged, he wouldn't instantly regenerate. And War Hulk has never been scratched by anything, its safe to assume his regenerative powers were jacked up too.

Now to say this again, Goku cannot survive being in space for any length of time, if he destroys the earth, he'll be dead before he can IT anywhere.

Hulk will live (Gamma creatures like the abomination have shown they can survive in space), Goku will die. Hulk can survive extended periods of time in space, and even once he runs out of air he'll probably just go into hibernation like the Abomination did.

[braindx]

OKAY SERIOUSLY. ONCE AND FOR ALL. FACTS ABOUT IT AND KAMEHAMEHAS

IT FACTS
1. Goku can only use IT when he locks onto a KI signature to move to the entire spot.
2. Goku can use IT while charging up a Kamehameha (Cell battle)
3. Goku cannot use IT while charging a Genki Dama (Volume 42, Chap 14, Pic 2). He moves out of the way. If he used IT to get out of the way, how exactly is he going to use IT to get back to where he was initially since there is no one with a Ki signature near him? Oh that right, he can't.

Kamehameha FACTS
1a. Roshi has destroyed the moon with a Kamehameha
1b. Cell, Gohan and Goku when they are firing up fully charged Kamehamehas at each other don't even destroy the earth when the energy collides right above the ground (Cell was standing on the ground when he was vaporized).
1c. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that a Kamehameha must be fired at the core of a planet to blow it up. HOWEVER, since the moon is considerably smaller than the earth (1/3 the size), we don't know how a Kamehameha will affect a regular planet but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since Roshi is weak compared to the later Z fighters (Buu and Frieza's energy blasts that destroyed Earth and Namek respectively were energy BALLS not beams).

2a. The Kamehameha has never been shown to blow up multiple things in a row. After it impacts a target, whether it be character or planet, its energy dissipates.
2b. Therefore, Goku cannot destroy multiple things (planets, solar system) with a Kamehameha.

3a. Both the Kamehameha and Genki Dama take an absurdly long time to power up (in fighting time)
3b. Therefore, this gives the Hulk an excellent chance to dodge the incoming energy beam/blast. Why he would sit there and take one like the Z fighter's enemies would be beyond me.


Most probable senario(s) for a fight. Let's also keep in mind that Goku can only stay in SSJ3 for about 10 minutes before he gets tired.

Goku likes to fight fair and likes to test out the opposition. This has been shown in the DBZ manga and is consistent throughout the DB years with the Red Ribbon army to all the way through Cell and Buu. And if Goku decides to engage Hulk up close in a flurry of kicks and punches contest, he will be caught by the Hulk and smashed OR just punched into oblivion in the first hit. Hulk wins. This is the most logical senario and will occur most of the time.

HOWEVER, if Goku does manage to figure out that Hulk has a super massive strength and to avoid close combat, then he will probably fly up into the air to charge up a Kamehameha or Genki Dama. When this happens, the Hulk will get angry because he can't fly and most likely either use his super jumping powers to launch himself straight at Goku (suprising him no doubt and catching him off guard) or clap his hands to make super sonic shockwaves at Goku (remember that air compression waves causes the most destruction at nuclear denonation sites). The Hulk wins.

IF, by some minute chance, Goku somehow manages to avoid this onslaught, and gets off a full powered Kamehameha or Genki Dama at the Hulk, they go so slow that the Hulk could easily jump out of the way. Goku will be exhausted by then and the Hulk will easily overcome him. In all reality, Hulk's limitless strength (through is anger) means he probably does not even have to take the beam or ball of energy and can just knock it out of the way. Who in their right mind would stand in the way of them like the antagonists in DBZ?

BUT let's say Goku somehow does actually blast him with a full powered Kamehameha or Genki Dama (by some miracle of nature), the Hulk would obviously be damaged but would it vaporize him? I am almost 100% positive that neither shots will vaporize him. More powerful stuff has hit him before (Vector's beam that repels matter. BTW, just for reference vector can use this ability to launch himself into another dimension to escape that's how strong it is (The Incredible Hulk #305) and then Vector hits him with it and turns him into a Skeleton and the Hulk is still able to walk against it and hit Vector (TIH #398 and the pic is somewhere in this thread) and Gladiator's little eyebeam that destroys planets only scratched the surface on Hulk's skin). Seriously, if repelling matter cannot affect the Hulk, nothing short of a Gamma radiation bomb (his weakness) is going to injure him that badly that he can't regenerate. AND just to add insult to the injury, Hulk starts to heal right away when he gets damaged.. unlike Cell and Buu who start to heal after they have been blasted. This will give him a considerable advantage, but it is not like he needs it.

[Bullet]

OKAY SERIOUSLY. ONCE AND FOR ALL. FACTS ABOUT IT AND KAMEHAMEHAS

IT FACTS
1. Goku can only use IT when he locks onto a KI signature to move to the entire spot.
2. Goku can use IT while charging up a Kamehameha (Cell battle)
3. Goku cannot use IT while charging a Genki Dama (Volume 42, Chap 14, Pic 2). He moves out of the way. If he used IT to get out of the way, how exactly is he going to use IT to get back to where he was initially since there is no one with a Ki signature near him? Oh that right, he can't.

Kamehameha FACTS
1a. Roshi has destroyed the moon with a Kamehameha
1b. Cell, Gohan and Goku when they are firing up fully charged Kamehamehas at each other don't even destroy the earth when the energy collides right above the ground (Cell was standing on the ground when he was vaporized).
1c. Therefore, it is logical to conclude that a Kamehameha must be fired at the core of a planet to blow it up. HOWEVER, since the moon is considerably smaller than the earth (1/3 the size), we don't know how a Kamehameha will affect a regular planet but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since Roshi is weak compared to the later Z fighters (Buu and Frieza's energy blasts that destroyed Earth and Namek respectively were energy BALLS not beams).

2a. The Kamehameha has never been shown to blow up multiple things in a row. After it impacts a target, whether it be character or planet, its energy dissipates.
2b. Therefore, Goku cannot destroy multiple things (planets, solar system) with a Kamehameha.

3a. Both the Kamehameha and Genki Dama take an absurdly long time to power up (in fighting time)
3b. Therefore, this gives the Hulk an excellent chance to dodge the incoming energy beam/blast. Why he would sit there and take one like the Z fighter's enemies would be beyond me.


Most probable senario(s) for a fight. Let's also keep in mind that Goku can only stay in SSJ3 for about 10 minutes before he gets tired.

Goku likes to fight fair and likes to test out the opposition. This has been shown in the DBZ manga and is consistent throughout the DB years with the Red Ribbon army to all the way through Cell and Buu. And if Goku decides to engage Hulk up close in a flurry of kicks and punches contest, he will be caught by the Hulk and smashed OR just punched into oblivion in the first hit. Hulk wins. This is the most logical senario and will occur most of the time.

HOWEVER, if Goku does manage to figure out that Hulk has a super massive strength and to avoid close combat, then he will probably fly up into the air to charge up a Kamehameha or Genki Dama. When this happens, the Hulk will get angry because he can't fly and most likely either use his super jumping powers to launch himself straight at Goku (suprising him no doubt and catching him off guard) or clap his hands to make super sonic shockwaves at Goku (remember that air compression waves causes the most destruction at nuclear denonation sites). The Hulk wins.

IF, by some minute chance, Goku somehow manages to avoid this onslaught, and gets off a full powered Kamehameha or Genki Dama at the Hulk, they go so slow that the Hulk could easily jump out of the way. Goku will be exhausted by then and the Hulk will easily overcome him. In all reality, Hulk's limitless strength (through is anger) means he probably does not even have to take the beam or ball of energy and can just knock it out of the way. Who in their right mind would stand in the way of them like the antagonists in DBZ?

BUT let's say Goku somehow does actually blast him with a full powered Kamehameha or Genki Dama (by some miracle of nature), the Hulk would obviously be damaged but would it vaporize him? I am almost 100% positive that neither shots will vaporize him. More powerful stuff has hit him before (Vector's beam that repels matter. BTW, just for reference vector can use this ability to launch himself into another dimension to escape that's how strong it is (The Incredible Hulk #305) and then Vector hits him with it and turns him into a Skeleton and the Hulk is still able to walk against it and hit Vector (TIH #398 and the pic is somewhere in this thread) and Gladiator's little eyebeam that destroys planets only scratched the surface on Hulk's skin). Seriously, if repelling matter cannot affect the Hulk, nothing short of a Gamma radiation bomb (his weakness) is going to injure him that badly that he can't regenerate. AND just to add insult to the injury, Hulk starts to heal right away when he gets damaged.. unlike Cell and Buu who start to heal after they have been blasted. This will give him a considerable advantage, but it is not like he needs it.

Nicely done!:smile-big :cool

[Maffy the Love Doctor]

the hulk is green.......he wins :oh. now if it was a fight against piccolo :smile-big.....

[Final Ultima]

3. Goku cannot use IT while charging a Genki Dama (Volume 42, Chap 14, Pic 2). He moves out of the way. If he used IT to get out of the way, how exactly is he going to use IT to get back to where he was initially since there is no one with a Ki signature near him? Oh that right, he can't.That fact is somewhat debatable, as it depends on how you perceive the concept of ki "signatures". As far as I see it, the Genki Dama is a honking, great, big mass of ki on it's own. Considering it's composed of the ki of everyone on Earth, I doubt Goku wouldn't be able to locate it using Shunkan Idou...I mean, how could he miss something like that?

[Pinkaugust]

Totally agree..

[braindx]

That fact is somewhat debatable, as it depends on how you perceive the concept of ki "signatures". As far as I see it, the Genki Dama is a honking, great, big mass of ki on it's own. Considering it's composed of the ki of everyone on Earth, I doubt Goku wouldn't be able to locate it using Shunkan Idou...I mean, how could he miss something like that?

You know what? I don't really care anymore because it really won't help him in his fight against Hulk anyway. :)

[Fenix]

dragonball universe > the ridiculous crap marvel and dc has come up

goku wins this effortlessly because the rules of the worlds are different and goku is actually trillions times stronger than what you all think

-_-

[Phaze1TM]

This would have been better if it was SS Goku because Well when He is Giji Non-Canon He had the power to use his MIND to pick up something the size of out moon and Drop it on Someone Well I'm pretty Sure that way to heavy and a Tap From Goku equals about 9000 Plus pounds In Non-Canon Form So unless War-Hulk Has Sharingan Then He Would When Goku WOuld toy with Hulk like a Kid He would teleport around Hulk Cause he so Slow and Goku Would Puch him thru a planet like he did kid BUU and Rofl Lamo at him And Charge For jebei Kamehama And Blast him into Hell. Then God Akuma Would COme outta Nowhere And Use Shun Goku Satsu (瞬獄殺, literally: Instant Hell Murder, a.k.a. The Raging Demon) aka Friction Toe and send Goku to hell But goku would Come back and Akuma Would be all LIke WHAT DA FUC* And Teleport away.

[Hiruma]

GODDAMN. Manga characters just can't keep up with really strong DC and Marvel ones. War Hulk is a cosmic. Goku < Cosmic. People need to know this really.

[Shiron]

Why was this thread revived? :crying
Anyways, yet again, War Hulk. Even if we assume he is weaker than Goku at base (which I'm fairly sure would be false), Hulk would only keep on getting madder until he becomes powerful enough to beat Goku. And don't forget about the Hulk's healing factor. Combining these two things, the conclusion we can reach is War Hulk >>>>>>>>>>> Goku.

War Hulk:
Pretty much unlimited stamina.
Gets stronger as he gets madder.
Has an unbelieveable healing factor.

Off Topic: And I'm beginning to wonder if a certain user is just a troll...

[omgbbq]

hulk throwing a 150billion ton mountain is very impressive. but goku can blow up galaxies, so this goes to goku.

[Hype]

hulk throwing a 150billion ton mountain is very impressive. but goku can blow up galaxies, so this goes to goku.

What you mean prof Hulk aka the weakest Hulk

This is war Hulk the one that did the impossible and stopped Juggs in his tracks

[~Shin~]

hulk throwing a 150billion ton mountain is very impressive. but goku can blow up galaxies, so this goes to goku.

Stop being a tard. Goku has no feats that show that he can blow up a solar system let alone a galaxy

[Havoc]

First you bumped an old thread, then you did so by posting an idiotic comment. Good job.

[Thanatos]

hulk throwing a 150billion ton mountain is very impressive. but goku can blow up galaxies, so this goes to goku.

Nobody likes a necroposter... let alone a biased one.

[atom]

Why put Goku in a complete curbstomp. You should use Super Veggetto/ Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta... not that it would matter...

[Enclave]

I haven't read this but it is fairly obvious that Hulk would rip Goku to pieces.

See Goku ALWAYS initially goes for the melee fighting at which point Hulk grabs him and tears his arms off.

Now before anybody claims that Goku is too fast for that to happen to Hulk bare in mind that Hulk has caught the likes of Silver Surfer and the only reason Parker is capable of avoiding Hulk is because of the Spider-Sense and not his speed.

Honestly, Goku is screwed. Sure if he stood back and blasted away he would not lose (probably wouldn't win either) but he never does that he always always always goes for the melee at which point he dies.

[Vynjira]

:Thunder: :Clap:

Dead Goku.

[Lord Yu]

War Hulk Curbstomp

[Random Nobody]

I'm gonna vote for War Hulk, I'm not a huge Hulk fan but I read some of the arguments for him and its been my experience that comic book characters are usually stronger than Manga characters.

[killfox]

War Hulk, he regenerates so well he makes Buu look like a leper. When was the last time the hulk got vaporized on the atomic level and regenerated?

[Havoc]

When was the last time Buu got vaporized on the atomic level and regenerated? What, never? Oh yea, that's right.

[~Shin~]

When was the last time Buu got vaporized on the atomic level and regenerated? What, never? Oh yea, that's right.

This depends. I think some people are under the assumption that Spirit Bomb destroyed him at the atomic level.

[Hype]

This depends. I think some people are under the assumption that Spirit Bomb destroyed him at the atomic level.

if thats what they are referring too then he certainly didnt regen after it.

I'm thinking they are talking about when Vegita did his suicide blow himself up routine. Without a helmet may I add the arrogent bastard had no respect for common health and safty

[Vynjira]

War-Hulk wouldn't regen better than Buu we have only speculation his regen would be better and if War-Hulk took that kind of damage the celestial tech would be destroyed and he wouldn't be War-Hulk anymore. Furthermore he wouldn't have a brain and his anger would drop to null meaning lil to no regen.

Lastly I've never seen ANY Hulk regen back from one cell. Then again I don't believe many characters could reduce him to a mere cell. Cell's regen was better than ANY Hulk I doubt War-Hulk's would have regen better than Buu.

Then again his durability makes up in large for that.

[EvilMoogle]

Lastly I've never seen ANY Hulk regen back from one cell. Then again I don't believe many characters could reduce him to a mere cell. Cell's regen was better than ANY Hulk I doubt War-Hulk's would have regen better than Buu.

Maestro Hulk regened from being totally destroyed. But it took quite a long time (years of comics, not sure how much time passed in the MU. I presume at least months).

[Havoc]

War-Hulk wouldn't regen better than Buu we have only speculation his regen would be better and if War-Hulk took that kind of damage the celestial tech would be destroyed and he wouldn't be War-Hulk anymore. Furthermore he wouldn't have a brain and his anger would drop to null meaning lil to no regen.

Lastly I've never seen ANY Hulk regen back from one cell. Then again I don't believe many characters could reduce him to a mere cell. Cell's regen was better than ANY Hulk I doubt War-Hulk's would have regen better than Buu.

Then again his durability makes up in large for that.

You can't use logic when talking about Hulk, he transcends it.:nod

[Enclave]

You can't use logic when talking about Hulk, he transcends it.:nod

This is very true. He has been reduced to a skeleton before and revived just fine. Remember, if something reduces you to a skeleton odds are you have no brain left.

[Banhammer]

Heh.. With the whole "Teleporting my ass out of here!"" And the ability to just, fly away from the fight, and plus, if he gets killed, he can just teleport himself back to earth, I would go with goku....

[Havoc]

Heh.. With the whole "Teleporting my ass out of here!"" And the ability to just, fly away from the fight, and plus, if he gets killed, he can just teleport himself back to earth, I would go with goku....

Doesn't work like that. And if he runs, he looses.

[Birkin]

Spirit Bomb is the way to go!

[Thanatos]

if he gets killed, he can just teleport himself back to earth...

In all of DBZ, Goku has never teleported himself out of the "next dimension" while being dead.

And the fact that he didn't do it even to fight Buu proves that he can't.

[Bullet]

Which; in itself, is completely insane. Marvel creations are so proposterous, yet hilarious in their nigh-omnipotency.


What anime is that in your sig and avatar?