The Sannin vs "these" 20 ninjas [Archive]

lekki

07-04-2005, 05:01 AM

From what we've seen it seems obvious hat those 20 ninjas will win,but we have seen Kakashi, Gai, Asuma etc killing loads of those chuunins/jounins so maybe the Sannins can do the same to elite jounins? I really don't know.
That would actually be freakin' hilarious if the elite jounins are the equivalent of nameless sound and sand nins to the sannin.
I would pay to see this fight.

When I think harder about it, the 3 will die but not before they take a lot of life with them and then a pissed off Manda will eat everyone that's left :amazed

Aman

07-04-2005, 05:10 AM

That would actually be freakin' hilarious if the elite jounins are the equivalent of nameless sound and sand nins to the sannin.
I would pay to see this fight.

When I think harder about it, the 3 will die but not before they take a lot of life with them and then a pissed off Manda will eat everyone that's left :amazed
Why do you doubt it? The level difference between the elite jounins and Sannins aren't small...

Marsala

07-04-2005, 05:10 AM

I'd like to vote for the Sannin because the three of them together ought to be able to destroy an entire village. Unfortunately they've been put up against the very best ninjas of the very best village, including two guys (Kakashi and Gai) who approach their level, three guys with lethal kekkei genkai (Fugaku and the Hyuuga twins), Dan who's surprisingly badass and aspired to be Hokage so he must also approach their level, Asuma and Kurenai who... err... moving on, Akimichi Chouza who can become an unstoppable giant and fight the summonses hand-to-hand (imagine him on the red pill!), Yamanaka Inoichi who can take total control of their bodies if his Shinranshin hits, and a bunch of other guys who are also pretty strong but honestly suck in comparison. Unless Jiraiya's Frog Stomach summon can take them all out at once, I can't see the Sannin winning this.

lekki

07-04-2005, 05:24 AM

Actually, the more we post, the more it seems the Sannin could actually win this.
I mean, if Oro knew the fight was going to go down, he just needs to use Edo tensei and prep some corpses before hand. Jiraiya makes sure it's in a place where he can use the frog belly or that Ridiculous swamp and Tsunade just summons Katsuya to spit that acid on everyone:(

Aman

07-04-2005, 05:32 AM

Unless Jiraiya's Frog Stomach summon can take them all out at once, I can't see the Sannin winning this.
Forgot about this. They can't! No one of those people have the power to escape the frog stomach! Sannin win. Oh, and if Oro was prepared he could use Edo Tensei.Actually, the more we post, the more it seems the Sannin could actually win this.
I mean, if Oro knew the fight was going to go down, he just needs to use Edo tensei and prep some corpses before hand. Jiraiya makes sure it's in a place where he can use the frog belly or that Ridiculous swamp and Tsunade just summons Katsuya to spit that acid on everyone:(
I agree!

Gyroscope

07-04-2005, 05:32 AM

lekki

07-04-2005, 06:37 AM

It says in the first post "without boss summonings".
20 Ninja's take this relatively easily then.Its 20 against 3 :blink and quite a few of the 20 are very high level Ninjas that could easily make it to the Sannin's level given a few years.
Add the summons however and we might get a different story.The only possible survivor out of the 20 ninjas (ie if they get wiped out by the Sannin) is going to be DAN.Tsunade wouldnt let anything happen to him.
Between Jiraiya and Oro, I am sure they have summoned 40 different snakes and frogs and toads that aren't Gamabunta or Manda. I can almost guarantee that Tsunade has more slugs that spit acid.

As for Dan surviving, Tsunade would be like
Tsunade: "Dan, I can't kill you, let us finally get married like we wanted to."
Dan: "Of course Tsunade my love, I've ARGGHHHH!!"
Oro: "Whoops, where you saying something?" As he pulls out the sword of Kusanagi from Dan's lifeless corpse.

Then Manda digs in.

Nighthawk

07-04-2005, 06:42 AM

That's a joke, right? The sannin would annihilate them. Kakashi and Gai are on a whole other level than the others and even those two wouldn't stand a chance against one of the sannin.

Hef

07-04-2005, 06:52 AM

Haha. Sannin pwnage Sannin pwnage! When the legendary three were in a war I'm sure they had to dispose of entire armies. The Sannin do have jutsus of mass destruction and other summons than the bosses. A huge ass swamp of the underworld is all that's needed, and then the Sannin can deal with the few survivors on one on one.. :D

abz_

07-04-2005, 06:53 AM

i donno who whould win, but i remember how scared kakashi was of oro, and how ppl keep (including most of the 20 ninjas) going on about the sannin. hmm who knows if team 20 go in with a game plan, then maybe. if naruto was there he might be able to negate the gamabunta summon. the only person who chidori won't affect is tsunade. and gai does have those gates. i think we will see jiraiya's rasengan vs kakashi's raikiri/chidori.

ABZ

Raistlin-sama

07-04-2005, 07:02 AM

At first i thought: "there's no way in hell, the sannin can take this..."

But now that I think about it, it is actually plauseble, which is why i'll vote for them.

I'd definitley pay to see this fight, sannin-pwnage of the best kind... Hell yeah

As for Dan surviving, Tsunade would be like
Tsunade: "Dan, I can't kill you, let us finally get married like we wanted to."
Dan: "Of course Tsunade my love, I've ARGGHHHH!!"
Oro: "Whoops, where you saying something?" As he pulls out the sword of Kusanagi from Dan's lifeless corpse.

Then Manda digs in.

XD, that is properly excactly what would happen...

The Sandwich Prince

07-04-2005, 07:16 AM

Yeah, the sannin would win. Even without "boss summons" we've seen large summons that are close. The Stand Destroyer frog could jack a few people, but other than summons you already have Swamp of the Underworld (which we still haven't seen its true potential. It sunk a snake when Jiraiya couldn't control his chakra) that would take out the smaller ones. As people start to fall I'm sure Orochimaru could perform some bootleg Edo Tensei, and then you have the world's best medical specialist quick to fix any injuries. Jiraiya's title of the "Insanity of Konoha" speaks for itself. I could imagine him with some cold, wide-eyed expression on his face as he performed some sort of frog jutsu.

20 ninjas is quite spread out and would make large-scale jutsu more preferrable. The sannin form and complete long seal sets as fast as you or I might take a few seconds to scratch behind our heads. I'm putting my bet on the Legendary Three.

:mgai

Rice Ball

07-04-2005, 07:33 AM

I think the 20 nin's would be too much for them.

Oro summoning the Third Hokage would kinda wipe them tho.

Jonas

07-04-2005, 07:34 AM

dangerousity

07-04-2005, 08:01 AM

Let me see, Hayate, Genma, Gaomo, Raidou, ebisu, ibiki would all probably die in a matter of seconds. Their not even jounins. We dont know about the fathers but I doubt hey would last too long either. The Hyugga brothers, uchiha and 4 jounins may hold their own for a while... If Oro can summon edo tensei, even just 1 or 2 kages, their finished. Also if Oro summons a big snake, the other weaker jounins like Ibiki demonstrated, have no way of dealing with it.

lekki

07-04-2005, 08:44 AM

Ebisu is a jounin now. I'm pretty sure Raidou is a jounin.

Freija

07-04-2005, 08:51 AM

20 ninjas some of them are high Jounins and most of them are probably jounins, Sannin ain't "lets kill em all" their summons pay a big role in their strengths.... taking that away they have no chance against this mob of Jounins...

Let me see, Hayate, Genma, Gaomo, Raidou, ebisu, ibiki would all probably die in a matter of seconds. Their not even jounins. We dont know about the fathers but I doubt hey would last too long either. The Hyugga brothers, uchiha and 4 jounins may hold their own for a while... If Oro can summon edo tensei, even just 1 or 2 kages, their finished. Also if Oro summons a big snake, the other weaker jounins like Ibiki demonstrated, have no way of dealing with it.
1.Ebisu is a special Jounin
2.They cannot use their summons (Sannin)
3.Edo tensei is a summon and it need preparations(living person) so it cant just be like "Orochimaru taking a walk meets up with 20 ninjas "EDO TENSEI"
4.Genma is the toothpick guy, he is also a special Jounin and im pretty sure Raidou is one too
5.i think Ibiki is a Jouni also
6.Ibiki couldn't handle them what tells you Kakashi can't ?

edit;oh without boss summonings (thought it was summonings overall)

FireEel

07-04-2005, 09:18 AM

Gai goes 8 gates
Kakashi pulls out what he usually does
Hiashi shows why Hyuuga is the strongest clan
Fugaku shows why Sharingan is strongest bloodline
Chouza takes all three pills

The rest flank and support, its more than enough, esp without the big summons.

kapsi

07-04-2005, 09:23 AM

But we don't know the most vital thing!!

Can Gai use gates?!?!

Marvin

07-04-2005, 09:24 AM

the sannin would win, also the sannin can summon huge beast,they just can't summon Gammabunta, Manda, and the slug boss. look at Oro three headed snakes that the sand uses, the sand may summon him that time , but it belongs to Oro, it even wears Oro sign.

Freija

07-04-2005, 09:26 AM

But we don't know the most vital thing!!

Can Gai use gates?!?!
daaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh Gai in one of the latest chapters he opened the 6:th gate (some think he opened 6 gates but he simply opened 1 gate and that wast the 6:th gate) daikeimon i think its called, and used Asakujaku or something

the sannin would win, also the sannin can summon huge beast,they just can't summon Gammabunta, Manda, and the slug boss. look at Oro three headed snakes that the sand uses, the sand may summon him that time , but it belongs to Oro, it even wears Oro sign.
... Chidori straight through em ? using Jyuuken to take out its chakra points... there are many ways, like Choujis dad taking 3 pills makes him as strong as the boss summons maybe ? seriously summons aint all, if a person does boss summon im sure it will exist a way to counter the bosses without having a summon, if that was the case it would be, Person with summon > all

Hazuki

07-04-2005, 09:35 AM

i really think sannin win , even without summon , just 1 jutsu of jiraiya ( Yumi numa can be very trouble for them and we don't even know his true power
look jiraiya when he did his jutsu in the hotel , if itachi wasn't forced to use his best jutsu to runway , kisame and him will be dead (with just one jutsu)

and we all know that kisame 100% alone can take gai azuma and kurenai even if it's maybe hard

lekki

07-04-2005, 09:36 AM

... Chidori straight through em ? using Jyuuken to take out its chakra points... there are many ways, like Choujis dad taking 3 pills makes him as strong as the boss summons maybe ? seriously summons aint all, if a person does boss summon im sure it will exist a way to counter the bosses without having a summon, if that was the case it would be, Person with summon > all

Yes, the person who has enough chakra to summon and control a boss summon is greater than all.
You think Gamabunta was at his best when he helped Naruto fight Gaara?
Compare him to when he fought against Manda. They were like 2 different frogs.

And it never said no summons like you posted 2 posts back. Vagnard said no boss summons.
Edo Tensei, Stand Destroyer, whatever is below Katsuya. All I know is acid spitting slugs would suck in this fight.

I am fully convinced now. The sannin win this but it will be a phyricc victory. Everyone dies in this fight:(

And Ebisu is a f**king jounin for the last time people.
Special jounins don't get teams, only jounins do.

Freija

07-04-2005, 09:41 AM

Yes, the person who has enough chakra to summon and control a boss summon is greater than all.
You think Gamabunta was at his best when he helped Naruto fight Gaara?
Compare him to when he fought against Manda. They were like 2 different frogs.

And it never said no summons like you posted 2 posts back. Vagnard said no boss summons.
Edo Tensei, Stand Destroyer, whatever is below Katsuya. All I know is acid spitting slugs would suck in this fight.

I am fully convinced now. The sannin win this but it will be a phyricc victory. Everyone dies in this fight:(

And Ebisu is a fucking jounin for the last time people.
Special jounins don't get teams, only jounins do.
Kakashi is a special Jounin and he has teams, and you might actually read all my post i put in an edit that said:Oh sry i didnt know that it was only w/o boss summons

and no they aren't greater than all for example i don't think Kakashis dog boss makes him greater than all, i don't think Enma can beat Manda but still Sandaime was ranked higher than Orochimaru at a younger age, Ebisu is a special Jounin he said it himself (and i think Kakashi also said it)

Gama wasn't like a diffrent frog, he was as usual only diffrence was that they did that fire jutsu together, otherwise he was the same as when he faught with Naruto...

edit: and read my example on Edo Tensei, he cannot perform it if he doesn't prepare...

i really think sannin win , even without summon , just 1 jutsu of jiraiya ( Yumi numa can be very trouble for them and we don't even know his true power
look jiraiya when he did his jutsu in the hotel , if itachi wasn't forced to use his best jutsu to runway , kisame and him will be dead (with just one jutsu)

and we all know that kisame 100% alone can take gai azuma and kurenai even if it's maybe hard
whyyyyy did you mention Itachi and Kisame if some Itachi or Kisame fanatic sees this it will be a debate of why they ran away!!!!

lekki

07-04-2005, 09:49 AM

Kakashi is a special Jounin and he has teams, and you might actually read all my post i put in an edit that said:Oh sry i didnt know that it was only w/o boss summons

and no they aren't greater than all for example i don't think Kakashis dog boss makes him greater than all, i don't think Enma can beat Manda but still Sandaime was ranked higher than Orochimaru at a younger age, Ebisu is a special Jounin he said it himself (and i think Kakashi also said it)

Gama wasn't like a diffrent frog, he was as usual only diffrence was that they did that fire jutsu together, otherwise he was the same as when he faught with Naruto...

edit: and read my example on Edo Tensei, he cannot perform it if he doesn't prepare...

whyyyyy did you mention Itachi and Kisame if some Itachi or Kisame fanatic sees this it will be a debate of why they ran away!!!!

Wrong, Ebisu was a special jounin. Special jounin means specialized.
Ebisu was an elite teacher, Ibiki is a torture specialist, Anko was a specialist at something. Special jounin means jounin level in a specific field.

Look in the databook translation section.

Also, if Sandaime uses Enma in pole form, they are as hard as diamond. Unless Manda is as hard as diamond, that pole is going through him.

What Kakashi dog boss?

Gamabunta was not the same frog.
Jiraiya gave the battle orders and lead the attacks. In Naruto's case, Gamabunta personally had to start using suitons and told Naruto to punch Gaara. He also started attacking first because Gaara picked on Gamakitchi:(

Heldensheld

07-04-2005, 09:49 AM

Orochimaru summons all four Hokages and all the snakes.
Jiraiya just summons all snakes and goes for a massive Rasengan.
Tsunade uses Multisize no jutsu and lands a punch.

The 20ninjas....Sharingan, Nice guy pose, Byakugan and random things.

Hazuki

07-04-2005, 10:01 AM

whyyyyy did you mention Itachi and Kisame if some Itachi or Kisame fanatic sees this it will be a debate of why they ran away!!!!

i don't know about itachi , but kisame was really afraid by one jutsu

( "at this time we....")
we know that kisame alone can take gai and lots of other ..

Freija

07-04-2005, 10:06 AM

Wrong, Ebisu was a special jounin. Special jounin means specialized.
Ebisu was an elite teacher, Ibiki is a torture specialist, Anko was a specialist at something. Special jounin means jounin level in a specific field.

Look in the databook translation section.
dont have databook so i cannot confirm this but youre probably right..
Also, if Sandaime uses Enma in pole form, they are as hard as diamond. Unless Manda is as hard as diamond, that pole is going through him.
well Manda can still eat Sandaime, no ? if thats the case Sandaime isnt Sandaime > all he has something else to his strength also, and it doesn't nessecarily(sp?) go through you need the right amount of power to do it, and i dont think Sandaime has the power to showe it through Manda
What Kakashi dog boss?
well Kakashi must be able to summon it atleast right ? but that don't make Kakashi > all shinobis w/o summon...
Gamabunta was not the same frog.
Jiraiya gave the battle orders and lead the attacks. In Naruto's case, Gamabunta personally had to start using suitons and told Naruto to punch Gaara. He also started attacking first because Gaara picked on Gamakitchi:(
that is having a diffrent person in control, but gamabunta reacted with same speed and same power as he did with Naruto...

lekki

07-04-2005, 10:12 AM

dont have databook so i cannot confirm this but youre probably right..well Manda can still eat Sandaime, no ? if thats the case Sandaime isnt Sandaime > all he has something else to his strength also, and it doesn't nessecarily(sp?) go through you need the right amount of power to do it, and i dont think Sandaime has the power to showe it through Mandawell Kakashi must be able to summon it atleast right ? but that don't make Kakashi > all shinobis w/o summon...
that is having a diffrent person in control, but gamabunta reacted with same speed and same power as he did with Naruto...

The pole can stretch and move by itself remember? Sandaime doesn't need to do jack shit, thepole will just float up and start wailing on Manda's head (that would be one of the single funniest scenes in Naruto is it was animated)

I don't think all summons have to have a boss summon. For example, the death god summon is a very good example of this, even if there was a boss death god, I doubt you would be around long enough to care :(

Freija

07-04-2005, 10:15 AM

lekki

07-04-2005, 10:18 AM

i ment in all, just cause you have a boss summon don't make you > all without summon, i mean the summons must be able to be affected by ninjutsu, Genjutsu, Taijutsu, or else sending ninjas to hold kyuubi off while waiting for yondaime was a waste of lives....
Exactly, nameless ninjas are inherently stupid on Naruto.

This should go nicely with the theory that katons and kunais can't kill you on this show if you have a name and are a ninja :)

Freija

07-04-2005, 10:22 AM

hehehehe well you still understand what i mean by saying that just cause you have boss summon don't make you > all with names without summon...

Hef

07-04-2005, 10:25 AM

Jotun

07-04-2005, 10:25 AM

ugh after thinkin about this i wanan vote for sannin now theres just so much possiblity for pwnage that its not even funny and we havent even seen all of the sannins moves this would be a tite fight or maybe a 1 min fight lol. If oro would be able to summon the 4th hokage then it would be over period.

Freija

07-04-2005, 10:26 AM

Kakashi said special trained cute ninja dogs, don't remember him saying he trained em, and they are like the other summons, they can talk... and they probably has a dog boss....

edit:Kakashi clearly says "Kuchiyose no jutsu" when summoning pakkun during the chuunin exam, wich proves he has signed the contract with the animals...

ugh after thinkin about this i wanan vote for sannin now theres just so much possiblity for pwnage that its not even funny and we havent even seen all of the sannins moves this would be a tite fight or maybe a 1 min fight lol. If oro would be able to summon the 4th hokage then it would be over period.
notice my scenario of edo tensei alittle higher...

Jotun

07-04-2005, 10:28 AM

lol would pakkun be the dog boss O.o he seems to be the most reliable dog that kakashi uses..i dunno

Freija

07-04-2005, 10:29 AM

*whistles*never said Pakkun was dog boss*whistles*

Jotun

07-04-2005, 10:32 AM

now that i think of it i dont remember any of the other dogs talking except for pakkun if they did could any1 refresh my memory in which eps/chapter they spoke?

Hef

07-04-2005, 10:34 AM

now that i think of it i dont remember any of the other dogs talking except for pakkun if they did could any1 refresh my memory in which eps/chapter they spoke?
I don't remember either so they must be shy. :(

And Pakkun just might be the dog boss. Size doesn't matter. :jk

Freija

07-04-2005, 10:36 AM

I don't remember either so they must be shy. :(

And Pakkun just might be the dog boss. Size doesn't matter. :jk
GOOOD POINT!!!!!!! size don't matter, so a Normal ninja can > a summon boss :D

Jotun

07-04-2005, 10:41 AM

i dont kno about that pakkun has the super soft dog paws WHO COULD RESIST THOSE??? XD lol who knos

lekki

07-04-2005, 10:44 AM

i dont kno about that pakkun has the super soft dog paws WHO COULD RESIST THOSE??? XD lol who knos
Manda could resist them, as he eats that stupid mutt:(

Freija

07-04-2005, 10:44 AM

Manda could resist them, as he eats that stupid mutt:(
indeed, just a snack for manda.

Hef

07-04-2005, 10:53 AM

Noooo~ Not even Manda can resist those paws! Pakkun's paws > All
Pakkun indeed is the dog boss! :amazed

Jotun

07-04-2005, 10:55 AM

lmao im just wondering but is there a "Pakkuns Paw" FC???? if not i think i mite wanna start one lol

Hef

07-04-2005, 10:56 AM

lmao im just wondering but is there a "Pakkuns Paw" FC???? if not i think i mite wanna start one lol
:omg I'm so gonna join that if you make it. :hearts

Jotun

07-04-2005, 11:07 AM

this is off topic but could som1 send me a PM on how to make a FC :D thanks

Freija

07-04-2005, 11:09 AM

go to fanclubs forum and start a new thread saying "BLABLA BLA BLALBLA FC" and you got an FC...

Code

07-04-2005, 01:05 PM

I'm thinking that Shikamaru, Chouji, and Ino's parents should be able to take one with their amazing team work, each on Jounin level and Shukaku even seems respected by Tsunade to some extent. Then there's their abilites, Shikaku's Shadow Bind, Inochi's mind transfer ability, and well... Chouza can become so large it dwarves Konoha's tallest buildings.

Then there's Fugaku, Hiashi, and Hizashi. They all seem to be of extremely high caliber. Possess the Leaf's best bloodline. Experienced. They should be able to take one.... Especially consider HIashi and Hizashi should work quite well together.

Gai, Kakashi, Asuma, and Kurenai. Gai excels in taijutsu, Kakashi in ninjutsu, Kurenai in genjutsu, and Asuma very good. If they can work together well they'd be able to take one down...

Then throw in the rest. Who knows what Aburame Shibi can do with his bugs that devour chakra...

I'm sure even if I made a thread like Sannins vs.Yondaime, Sandaime, Nidaime, Shodaime of every village in their prime they'll still vote for the sannins...

We know Kakashi and Gai have summons. They may nto have boss summons but they should still have much larger summons. The other jounins may very well have some too.

Heldensheld

07-04-2005, 01:21 PM

Gai has a bloody turtle and Kakashi has a dog.

Gama or Manga or the slug is absolutely going to tread over them thinking it's an ant.

Code

07-04-2005, 01:28 PM

Gai has a bloody turtle and Kakashi has a dog.

Gama or Manga or the slug is absolutely going to tread over them thinking it's an ant.
I bolded the word that I think you should use.

So... let's see here... oh it's Manda by the way.

Anyways, so a Dog would be overrun by a turtle, or a slug, or a snake?(depends on the snake but Manda is just a big garden snake...)? How about a boss dog sommon? So it's still be trampled? Or a giant turtle with it's incredible hard shell...

Of course I doubt they are capable of boss summons but the comment you made seemed like you think that slugs are superior to dogs in fighting ability.

And the thread creator said "Without Boss Summons"

Gyroscope

07-04-2005, 01:28 PM

Hoy would Edo Tensei also be considered a boss summon? Id Assume the Kage's were all boss types.

Between Jiraiya and Oro, I am sure they have summoned 40 different snakes and frogs and toads that aren't Gamabunta or Manda. I can almost guarantee that Tsunade has more slugs that spit acid.

Yea but the lower level summons arnt really that great.I mean Naruto and Sasuke were taking on giant snakes in the forest.IMO the lower Jounins can take care of the small summons while the higher ups (Kakashi, Gai, Clan Heads etc....) can go after the Sannin

As for Dan surviving, Tsunade would be like
Tsunade: "Dan, I can't kill you, let us finally get married like we wanted to."
Dan: "Of course Tsunade my love, I've ARGGHHHH!!"
Oro: "Whoops, where you saying something?" As he pulls out the sword of Kusanagi from Dan's lifeless corpse.

Then Manda digs in.

:rofl :rofl :rofl - I was thinking the exact same thing when i posted.Thats why i said Tsunade wouldnt let anything happen to him ie protect him from Oro and Jiraiya as well.How good is DAN anyway? I remember someone saying somewhere that he had Kakashi type stats.

Code

07-04-2005, 01:31 PM

Orochimaru cannot summon the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, or 4th Hokages. Well we can't assu;me he can, now that their souls are eaten by the Death God. If you say, "the 4th was about to be summonsed last time", Orochimaru did not know about the jutsu, so how would he know the nature of the 4th's death? It could've been just a failed attempt.

Then there's also the fact that are you allowing them to prepare with sacrifices before this battle? Giving them an advantage?

Hef

07-04-2005, 02:10 PM

I bolded the word that I think you should use.

So... let's see here... oh it's Manda by the way.

Anyways, so a Dog would be overrun by a turtle, or a slug, or a snake?(depends on the snake but Manda is just a big garden snake...)? How about a boss dog sommon? So it's still be trampled? Or a giant turtle with it's incredible hard shell...

Of course I doubt they are capable of boss summons but the comment you made seemed like you think that slugs are superior to dogs in fighting ability.

And the thread creator said "Without Boss Summons"
I think Heldensheld was talking about the summons we know Kakashi and Gai are able to summon. Who knows, there even might not exist a boss dog (or a turtle for that matter). I think Kakashi trained his dog himself and that he has the contract between them. :blink

Then there's also the fact that are you allowing them to prepare with sacrifices before this battle? Giving them an advantage?
Do we know how the sacrifices have to be prepared? For all we know, Oro might be able to make a few sacrifeces out of the 20 ninjas they are fighting. But then again, he might not be able so my guess is just as good as yours.

vagnard

07-04-2005, 02:41 PM

Nighthawk

07-04-2005, 02:51 PM

Are the sannin invincible in this forum?

come on people!...Naruto would be a very stupid series if the 3 most powerful ninjas in a village could defeat the next 20 near to them in terms of power. Hell...even after post timeskip Naruto and co. aren't at the level of many of these 20. If one sannin can take easily 5 o 6 elite jounins then team 7 will reach them in year 2090.

No, they are not invincible. They just won't lose to 20 low level ninjas. I already mentioned it above, the only elite jounins in this group are Kakashi and Gai, but even for those two it's suicide to go against one of the sannin, not to mention all three of them!!

lekki

07-04-2005, 03:01 PM

Yessir, I agree but this fight can easily swing either way.
If there was prep time, sannin take this, if it's just a sudden melee fight at a Konoha reunion picnic then Sannin lose you know?

Shiron

07-04-2005, 03:07 PM

lmao im just wondering but is there a "Pakkuns Paw" FC???? if not i think i mite wanna start one lol
Yes, there already is one. You can join it here. (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=28850&highlight=Pakkun%27s)

Anyways, I think the Sannin wouls win this one. They could use their other summons, Tsunade can keep on healing them, and Jiraiya has Swamp of the Underworld and the Frog Stomach. IMO, the Sannin would win this one.

vagnard

07-04-2005, 03:08 PM

the only elite jounins in this group are Kakashi and Gai,

???? You are seriously underestimating Dan, Asuma and Kurenai. They are in the same tier of Kakashi and Gai.

And you have also the heads of the two most powerful clans....Hizashi and Fugaku.

The adult Inoshikacho trio who killed many jounins and chunnins during the sound invasion just like Kakashi and Gai.

Aburame Shibi must be in the level of Inoshikacho or superior if we follow the logic of the kids

and the "low level ninjas" (all of them jounins or special jounins) together are a force to be feared. Like Code said...are many factors in this battle ....Inoshikacho's teamwork, 8 gates, two jyuuken users that can take any person with one hit, kakashi's 1000 jutsus...they have much more diversity than the sannins as a group.

Nighthawk

07-04-2005, 03:25 PM

and the "low level ninjas" (all of them jounins or special jounins) together are a force to be feared.

Yes, but they are no threat to the sannin. Most of them would die within seconds. Their skills mean nothing in front of such overwhelming power.

This thread is a joke. Jiraiya could easily kill those 20 on his own. :laugh

Marsala

07-04-2005, 03:31 PM

I'm sure even if I made a thread like Sannins vs.Yondaime, Sandaime, Nidaime, Shodaime of every village in their prime they'll still vote for the sannins...
If you put Itachi on the Sannin team and changed nothing else, they would probably get less votes...

Mizura

07-04-2005, 03:54 PM

Gai opens 8 gates and valiantly sacrifices himself while taking out one of them. You know I've been reading past chapters, chapter 85 says that opening the 8 gates actually temporarily gives you power that Surpass Hokage, unless that's a mistranslation. In any case... even if it just ties, Gai can take out one of the sannin at the same time. Moving on.

Dan the aspiring Hokage takes on another with some help. Moving on.

The rest gang up on the remaining one. Chouza takes all three pills. Shikaku must have Some of his son's intelligence as well, and nobody ever said that Kagemane and the likes can't at least temporarily work on a Sannin. In any case, the rest outnumber the remaining one.

20 people win.

By the way, what about swamp of the underworld? It can sink Giant Snakes, yes. Giant Snakes who can't use Chakra to walk on liquid surfaces. The rest of the nins can probably just walk on it. As for Edo-Tensei, it needs preparation, besides the Hokages have all had their souls sealed so Orochimaru can't summon those at least. Does he even have his arms in this fight? If not, he's dead meat.

mayumi

07-04-2005, 04:07 PM

jiraiya traps them in his toads stomach, have them digested, and the sannins go get some drink.

Aregashi

07-04-2005, 04:32 PM

20 ninjas win cause there are very high skilled jounins and they have advantage in numbers! and kakashi will use CHIDORI!!!!! on oro and hes out :sgan

kapsi

07-04-2005, 04:33 PM

20 ninjas have Shino's dad, no contest here.

jemakai

07-04-2005, 05:43 PM

Do some of you know what team work is? It is what made two genins on their first real mission able trick an elite jounin. The kabuto Tunsade fight showed us the distance between elite jounins and "kage" level ninja's isn't astronomical, thinking that the sanin will instantly beat all the weaker ninja's suggest the 20 ninja's have no team work at all and won't help each other. Chouji's father and the Hyuuga twins on the front line while shino's dad and other genjutsu users ready their attacks. Gai and Kakashi lead the rest of the nins and shikamaru's dad helps them strategize. If the Sanin are that much above the next level of good guys then no one other then the sanin are going to defeat Ataksuki, who are on a legendary level aswell. The manga will not last that long.

Hef

07-04-2005, 05:45 PM

jemakai, Tsunade was out of shape during that battle. I hope you know that. :P

martimus

07-04-2005, 05:53 PM

i vote for sannins i mean everyone fears them they may have more techniques which they keep for dire situations we dont kno that so sannnin pwnage all the way

jemakai

07-04-2005, 06:51 PM

jemakai, Tsunade was out of shape during that battle. I hope you know that. :P

A sanin is a sanin. She was out of shape but she also had her new rebirth genises jutsu, something she didn't have in her prime when left kohona. She said Kabuto surpassed her in her prime in terms of healing anyway, the fact that he wasn't destroyed in 2 seconds by her means their levels are not lightyears away.

Hef

07-04-2005, 07:33 PM

A sanin is a sanin. She was out of shape but she also had her new rebirth genises jutsu, something she didn't have in her prime when left kohona. She said Kabuto surpassed her in her prime in terms of healing anyway, the fact that he wasn't destroyed in 2 seconds by her means their levels are not lightyears away.
The Genesis Rebirth only healed her wounds. It didn't make up for her 10 (or more, I don't really know) years of gambling and drinking.
And my translation says, that Kabuto's jutsu sense is better than hers in her prime.

Aman

07-04-2005, 07:53 PM

A sanin is a sanin. She was out of shape but she also had her new rebirth genises jutsu, something she didn't have in her prime when left kohona. She said Kabuto surpassed her in her prime in terms of healing anyway, the fact that he wasn't destroyed in 2 seconds by her means their levels are not lightyears away.
I know that she said that, but after all he couldn't heal Oro's arms... :S And when she got serious, summoning, using genesis rebirth etc Kabuto decided to back off.

jemakai

07-04-2005, 08:00 PM

The Genesis Rebirth only healed her wounds. It didn't make up for her 10 (or more, I don't really know) years of gambling and drinking.
And my translation says, that Kabuto's jutsu sense is better than hers in her prime.

Rebirth genesis totally healed her back to 100%, which I believe means she was right back to 100% chakra. That is like fighting Tunsade twice, I am sure Prime Tunsade isn't stronger then 2 current Tunsade. Doesn't matter what exactly was said, the general statement was that Kabuto some how is comparable to Tunsade in her prime which is when the sanin legend was born.

aman_melles, I assume she is still better in certain area's then Kabuto.

Hef

07-04-2005, 08:07 PM

Rebirth genesis totally healed her back to 100%, which I believe means she was right back to 100% chakra. That is like fighting Tunsade twice, I am sure Prime Tunsade isn't stronger then 2 current Tunsade. Doesn't matter what exactly was said, the general statement was that Kabuto some how is comparable to Tunsade in her prime which is when the sanin legend was born.

Souzou Saisei is a Ninjutsu technique developed by the Sannin Tsunade. It is said this technique will prevent Tsunade's falling in battle. Over time Tsunade will concentrate chakra to a spot on her forehead that takes the form of a diamond. When she releases the seal on the jutsu, the chakra disperses and stimulates the proteins of her body to increase the speed of cell division and reconstruction of cells. This allows her to recreate all organs and tissues. The technique itself does not regenerate the old cells, rather it hastens the creation of new ones through division. Unfortunately a body's cells can only split a certain number of times in a lifetime. By speeding up this process Tsunade is shortening her life. She may not die in battle, but she can die by speeding up its natural lifespan.

Another potential side effect of this technique is her body losing its youthful form. After using this jutsu in battle, the effects will show as her body regains it's natural older form. It is only after rest that she can cause her body to regain its false youth.
It doesn't recover her chakra, since it didn't say so in the desription. I'm sure that such an important thing would have been included in the description, don't you?
Also, I hope you realize, that Tsunade was out of shape (=no training (except Shizune), no fighting in 10+ years, et cetera). In no way is it possible that her Genesis Rebirth technique makes up for that.
If you don't fight or keep up your skills for, what, 10+ years you really are out of shape.

iaido

07-04-2005, 08:13 PM

I'd say the sannin.

Those 20 ninjas are powerful, however, the sannin seem better for taking out masses of ninjas rather than one on one combat. The sannin just have to summon their three big bosses and they can handle the 20 ninjas.

Read the first post of any thread you plan on posting in, no matter what -Gooba

Aman

07-04-2005, 08:30 PM

dangerousity

07-04-2005, 09:31 PM

Well jiraiya did question if the sand village can stop someone like him forcing his way in. No Even if we take into account that Konoha is 3-5 times stronger than Sand, 3 sannins would still be too much specially without a Hokage. Itachi anihilated the entire Uchiha clan and if sannin=Itachi then I would guess that one sannin can easily deal with the uchiha's and hyuggas. The rest of the special jounins are basically food, they got beat by sound 4 for god sake, lol, same sound 4 that was totally owned by Kimi(filler i think). When you consider the summons and edo tensei into account, its pretty crazy.

~AK

07-04-2005, 10:19 PM

Those 20 ninjas working collectively would do pretty well... unfortunately... they'd fall to the experience and might of the sannins. I'm curious just how strong hizashi and hiashi would be together though... oh well. The three legendary sannins were already called sannins when they were younger than all or most of those jounins... by now they're all strong enough to be Hokages (one of them already is).

Gipo

07-04-2005, 10:37 PM

jemakai

07-04-2005, 11:18 PM

It doesn't recover her chakra, since it didn't say so in the desription. I'm sure that such an important thing would have been included in the description, don't you?
Also, I hope you realize, that Tsunade was out of shape (=no training (except Shizune), no fighting in 10+ years, et cetera). In no way is it possible that her Genesis Rebirth technique makes up for that.
If you don't fight or keep up your skills for, what, 10+ years you really are out of shape.

I was under the impression that she was healed back to normal, which means her stamina is back to 100% thus her chakra is back to 100%. She was tired from chasing Kabuto earlier yet after rebirth genises she is fine and even summons her lord summon.
So your telling me supposedly not being able to die in battle isn't as good as being a bit sharper in your movements and skills? It is not like she forgot everything she knew nor did she say she couldn't do any moves that she could in her prime.
The fact is taijutsu is Kabuto's worst area and he was still able to keep up with a sanin without being killed quickly(soldier pills are tools so it is fair Kabuto used a pill)

Hef

07-04-2005, 11:45 PM

I was under the impression that she was healed back to normal, which means her stamina is back to 100% thus her chakra is back to 100%. (1). She was tired from chasing Kabuto earlier yet after rebirth genises she is fine and even summons her lord summon.
(2). So your telling me supposedly not being able to die in battle isn't as good as being a bit sharper in your movements and skills? (3). It is not like she forgot everything she knew nor did she say she couldn't do any moves that she could in her prime.
(4.) The fact is taijutsu is Kabuto's worst area and he was still able to keep up with a sanin without being killed quickly(soldier pills are tools so it is fair Kabuto used a pill)
1. Well, that's a member of the Sannin for you. It's not like she's some chakra monster, but it's not like she's a weak bitch, either. And the time between Souzou Saisei and being rendered useless by the fear of blood was enough for her to catch her breath. She might have been out of shape but not that decrepit.
2. I would like to know why you got that kind of impression. Without that, I don't know what to say, since I have no idea what you are talking about. :S
3. It's not like you "forget some moves" when you don't freaking do any excersice. It's only natural that your condition worsens. Thus, she was out of shape. And obviously, since Taijutsu is not her cup of tea, she sucked even more at it than she would've if she had been training/fighting (like Orochimaru). Taijutsu is the only "jutsu" type that time deteriorates if you don't keep up your skills (unless you are demented so you would forget your nin- and genjutsu as well :D)
4. Taijutsu isn't Tsunade's best area, either, and she was seriously out of shape (like I said in point 3). And Kabuto used doping, which even further closes up the cap between them. I'm not saying this to belittle Kabuto's skills, but I'm saying this to make you understand that Tsunade was not at her best. And by "at her best" I don't mean her prime, I'm talking about the state she would be in if she was active for the past years instead of gambling and drinking.

Clear enough?

Edit//jemakai, since you clearly aren't answering now, I'll go to sleep and get back to you when I wake up.

Cthulhu-versailles

07-04-2005, 11:59 PM

Sanin win, guy who started this thread said without thier boss summonings... but why onj earth would they not use them.

Also they have alot more summons then those. Jiraya could actually singley beat almost eveyone on that list using that enourmous frog throat summon where itachi had to use amaretsu to break out from.

After jiryaa uses that oro just summons the hokage and eveyone dies... the fourth...yellow flash... overkill

Invisus

07-05-2005, 01:49 AM

The Sannin would win. If it were that easy to stop them than Sarutobi would have simply created a team of Ninja's to fight Orochimaru, but yet he clearly stated that there wasn't anyone that could stand against Orochimaru in Konoha including himself. Though I don't know if he knew Jiraiya was there.

You also have to remember that the council members said that Orochimaru had the power to topple a small country so chances are the Sannin are not people that can be taken down by a group of jounin's

Shino's a Bad Man

07-05-2005, 01:54 AM

i've said it before and i'll say it again, no matter how strong you are you can always get swarmed. 20 vs. 3. even if the saanin are 3x the strength of anyone non that lisr (and that list contains alot of strong people, not weaklings) it still 20 vs. 9. if they are 4 times stronger, it 20 vs. 12. even if they are !!!5!!!!!! times stronger, its 20 vs. 15. numbers win out in this one.

Marsala

07-05-2005, 01:54 AM

On the other hand, Anko and Kakashi both thought that 3 ANBU captains would be enough to handle Orochimaru. Clearly they were wrong, but I think that a large enough force of ANBU (say, thirty) would be able to beat Orochimaru in theory.

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 02:36 AM

20 jounins would make creme brulee out of the Sannins. Just Kakashi and Hizashi are already at Sannin level(hokage selection).

lekki

07-05-2005, 02:53 AM

20 jounins would make creme brulee out of the Sannins. Just Kakashi and Hizashi are already at Sannin level(hokage selection).
Yeah, that's why you could see the puddle of piss forming under Kakashi when he thought he was going to have to fight Oro:(
I don't know about Hizashi but I would like to assume that he is. But we can't be sure because, there is NO SUCH THING AS SANNIN LEVEL. THERE IS ALSO NO SUCH THING AS KAGE LEVEL!!!

The Sannin are 3 extremely powerful jounins who got the nick name Sannin. There is no level there.

Team work makes up for numbers almost anyday.

I do recall during Kakashi Gaiden, it was the 4th and 4-5 other konoha nins vs a battalion of rock nin and I do remember the rock nins losing to team work and a battle plan.

Kakashi and Gai or the InoShikaCho trio may be the only ones to help the 20 because they have fought as a team in the past.
Most teams have secret call signs like the one Kakashi used when they were breaking into the Akatsuki cave.

The Sannin probably still remember theirs and just have to use these to lure the 20 into trap after trap after trap.

InoShikCho are younger so their team won't have as much experience, also they started families making them even rustier, less dangerous missions and such. Maybe Kakashi and Gai may have joint strategies but I don't see a time in the pasty when they worked together since Obito and Rin were his team mates. Maybe Gai joined up to replace Obito after Gai's own team got killed, who knows.

Like I said before, as time goes on, for me it seems more and more likely the Sannin can win this.

Temari103

07-05-2005, 03:10 AM

Even if they mightbe the sannin, I think those ppl are just too much. If they are all Konohamaru then I could see but 20 jounin, I think the sannin wont die but will get pretty worn out. :wink

Nighthawk

07-05-2005, 03:32 AM

20 jounins would make creme brulee out of the Sannins. Just Kakashi and Hizashi are already at Sannin level(hokage selection).

K_love, if the sannin fight together there's nothing that can stop them. They are the students of the god of shinobi. Kakashi isn't sannin level at all, Kakashi vs. Jiraiya would be suicide. Jiraiya doesn't give a damn about sharingan/ninja dogs/chidori he would simply crush Kakashi within seconds. This thread would work better if its just one of the sannin vs. these 20, but this person (Jiraiya / Orochimaru / Tsunade) would still win, no doubt.

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 03:51 AM

People, I'm talking about Kakashi post time skip! Isnt that what the question implied???

lwong81

07-05-2005, 05:09 AM

kakashi, post time skip
and the dead people, are undead....

the 3 would take it...
that would be like a royal rumble..

Aman

07-05-2005, 05:15 AM

People, I'm talking about Kakashi post time skip! Isnt that what the question implied???
Lol, and what tells you that Kakashi is Sannin level now? The Sannin were already´passed their prime during his age.

sik4rilz

07-05-2005, 05:45 AM

i thought the 20 would take it...but after wut im seeing..i think the lengendary 3 would take it...lol.

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 06:01 AM

Lol, and what tells you that Kakashi is Sannin level now? The Sannin were already´passed their prime during his age.

what proof do you have that the Sannin were already passed their prime during his age?

If Kakashi was willing to take this mission to face Itachi again w/o one look back, don't you think he's prepared himself this time? what exactly did u think he was doing during those 2-3 years? Kakashi is definitely Sannin Level now.

I don't know why people think the Sannins are so powerful. They are no more than elite jounins who were at the top of THEIR class. Is Jiraiya more powerful than Yondaime? NO. Is Oro more powerful than Jiraiya? YES. Did Oro lose to Itachi? MAYBE. Did Kakashi not accept this mission knowing what he's up against(Itachi plus ten others who are just as powerful as Itachi is)? YES.

Now add Kakashi, Hizashi and a bunch of other jounins....the Sannins lose by a mile. sorry.

Aman

07-05-2005, 06:07 AM

what proof do you have that the Sannin were already passed their prime during his age?

If Kakashi was willing to take this mission to face Itachi again w/o one look back, don't you think he's prepared himself this time? what exactly did u think he was doing during those 2-3 years? Kakashi is definitely Sannin Level now.

I don't know why people think the Sannins are so powerful. They are no more than elite jounins who were at the top of THEIR class. Is Jiraiya more powerful than Yondaime? NO. Is Oro more powerful than Jiraiya? YES. Did Oro lose to Itachi? MAYBE. Did Kakashi not accept this mission knowing what he's up against(Itachi plus ten others who are just as powerful as Itachi is)? YES.

Now add Kakashi, Hizashi and a bunch of other jounins....the Sannins lose by a mile. sorry.
Post timeskip Kakashi wanted help from Naruto to defeat Itachi, while saying he can't handle him. And since Itachi AND Kisame can defeat Jiraiya i very much doubt that Kakashi is at their level... A little bit of fangirlism from your side huh?...

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 06:46 AM

Post timeskip Kakashi wanted help from Naruto to defeat Itachi, while saying he can't handle him. ... ...

He only ask for Naruto's help because he wanted the battle to end quicker, they were in a rush to save Gaara. Kakashi would have taken him on even if Naruto wasn't there. I dont remember him saying he cant handle him.

And since Itachi AND Kisame can defeat Jiraiya i very much doubt that Kakashi is at their level

Itachi is always trying to avoid fights for some reason, not neccessarily meaning he can't defeat his opponents. Besides, they didn't need Naruto right right away.

A little bit of fangirlism from your side huh?

there's a reason why I'm a Kakashi fangirl, and it's not just because of his damn good looks.

Nighthawk

07-05-2005, 07:11 AM

Is Jiraiya more powerful than Yondaime?

Of course.

Is Oro more powerful than Jiraiya?

No, the sannin are equal.

Did Kakashi not accept this mission knowing what he's up against(Itachi plus ten others who are just as powerful as Itachi is)? YES.

He can't just refuse the Hokage's orders, not to mention he's Tsunade's bitch.

Now add Kakashi, Hizashi and a bunch of other jounins....the Sannins lose by a mile. sorry.

Now add Kakashi, Hizashi and a bunch of other jounins against the three legendary ninjas...and you got a horrible slaughter. Look at your post-timeskip Kakashi, he can't do anything against Deidara, one of the weak akatsuki members, while Jiraiya would clean up there within seconds.

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 07:28 AM

lekki

07-05-2005, 07:31 AM

Issue resolved,
all summons are allowed except for Manda, Katsuya and Gamabunta the man :)

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 07:34 AM

LOL, whoops...sorry. I'll pos. rep u later okaay :sweat
my pos. rep is twice as much as my neg. :kukuku

Nighthawk

07-05-2005, 07:36 AM

Oh keep dreaming Nighthawk!
1-Jiraiya is like Master Roshi and Yondaime is like Goku.
2-Sarutobi always favored Oro over Jiraiya and saw Oro as his prodigy NOT Jiraiya.
3-Kakashi never listens to the rules and he does whatever he wants. He completely ignored Tsunade's orders and went to go find Naruto and Sasuke.
4-Lol, stop making me laugh. Let's just say when Gai open up all eight gates, one of the sannin is already going down and u know it!

1-Jiraiya said the Fourth had the potential to reach the sannin lvl.
2-Orochimaru is more talented, but the sannin have the same power.
3-They are his students, he had to go after them.
4-Not really. You don't have proof that Gai can defeat a sannin with the gates. But we have proof that he is nothing in front of Orochimaru/Jiraiya/Tsunade.

lekki

07-05-2005, 07:43 AM

LOL, whoops...sorry. I'll pos. rep u later okaay :sweat
my pos. rep is twice as much as my neg. :kukuku
When that happens, I'll delete my post :mad

And in case I didn't make myself clear, Sannin win this. I changed my mind from my initial post.
This is a really freaky post. Common sense dictates that you vote for the 20 over the 3 and then you start to read the comments and realize that the Sannin have a good chance of pulling it off and you start rooting for them.

And Kakashi really isn't that big a factor in this fight.
Especially if Oro actually managed to get Sasuke's body :amazed

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 07:47 AM

1-Jiraiya said the Fourth had the potential to reach the sannin lvl.
No way does that make sense at all. Sannin basically means "Hokage potential." Which means they are qualified to become Hokage. Yondaime actually made it to Hokage...Jiraiya didnt. When Kyuubi attack, everyone said "Let's hold it down until the Yondaime arrived." That means he was the most powerful ninja there. Not even Sarutobi can compare to Yondaime. Wasnt it Yondaime that taught Jiraiya the rasengan???
4-Not really. You don't have proof that Gai can defeat a sannin with the gates. But we have proof that he is nothing in front of Orochimaru/Jiraiya/Tsunade.
It was clearly stated that if you open all eight gates, you will have power stronger than that of a Hokage. He hasnt done that yet so you cant say he wont. and if he did...he will kill one of them.

Nighthawk

07-05-2005, 07:52 AM

No way does that make sense at all. Sannin basically means "Hokage potential." Which means they are qualified to become Hokage. Yondaime actually made it to Hokage...Jiraiya didnt. When Kyuubi attack, everyone said "Let's hold it down until the Yondaime arrived." That means he was the most powerful ninja there. Not even Sarutobi can compare to Yondaime. Wasnt it Yondaime that taught Jiraiya the rasengan???.

sigh. Hokage is just a title, sweetie. Also, Jiraiya doesn't want to become Hokage. But he trained his student for a few years and tadah- the fourth hokage.
That should tell ya how strong he really is.

It was clearly stated that if you open all eight gates, you will have power stronger than that of a Hokage. He hasnt done that yet so you cant say he wont. and if he did...he will kill one of them.

Same thing, read above.

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 07:58 AM

Sarutobi prefers Oro over Jiraiya. Oro left Konoha cuz Yondaime beat him to Hokage and there's nothing he can do about it. That's why Oro joined Atkatsuki, to get his revenge on Sarutobi and Konoha.

lekki

07-05-2005, 08:11 AM

Sarutobi prefers Oro over Jiraiya. Oro left Konoha cuz Yondaime beat him to Hokage and there's nothing he can do about it. That's why Oro joined Atkatsuki, to get his revenge on Sarutobi and Konoha.
Where is it stated that Oro joined Akatsuki for those reasons? I mean considering their plans have probably always been the same thing, to get bijuus, that really wouldn't have been getting back at Konoha so much as destroying Naruto's life.

About Sarutobi prefering Oro over Jiraiya, Sarutobi actually never mentioned anything about Jiraiya even once so this can't even remotely be fact.
Also, considering Jiraiya has been the same old Jiraiya, peeping tom and all and considering he would probably have said no back then too, why would Sarutobi have picked him? Jiraiya had more mission experience and was probably liked a hell of a lot more than Oro was.

Yellow_Flash_Kyubi

07-05-2005, 08:18 AM

Nighthawk

07-05-2005, 08:21 AM

Yeah, makes me wonder how 50 rock nins lost to Yondaime and the whole Uchiha Clan was massacred by Itachi... Yeah, you can always get swarmed... Yeah...

My thoughts exactly.

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 08:41 AM

Yeah, makes me wonder how 50 rock nins lost to Yondaime and the whole Uchiha Clan was massacred by Itachi... Yeah, you can always get swarmed... Yeah...

OMG, you're talking about Yondaime! Yondaime can kick anyone's ass. Yondaime against these 20 nins, he wins for sure! Yondaime against 3 sannins? Yondaime wins again!!!

Most of the Uchiha clans werent even jounins. Clans consist of women and children to ya know.

C'mon, Gai and 8 gates. Kakashi and his new jutsu. Hiashi - nuff said. you do the math! :mad

Kakashi_Love

07-05-2005, 08:47 AM

:notrust so does yondaime

kapsi

07-05-2005, 09:32 AM

I want to ask you all, when will the stupidity end?
When people stop pulling things out of hats (I wish they are hats) and presenting their baseless opinions as facts.

sigh. Hokage is just a title, sweetie. Also, Jiraiya doesn't want to become Hokage. But he trained his student for a few years and tadah- the fourth hokage.
That should tell ya how strong he really is.
So if I get a Nobel prize or sth, it means my school teacher is a super genius?

Kunoichi no Kiri

07-05-2005, 09:39 AM

Akimichi Chouza + Yamanaka Inoichi + Nara Shukaku+ Aburame Shibi + Inuzuka Tsume + Mitarashi Anko + Morino Ibiki+ Ebisu+ Shiranui Genma+ Gekko Hayate + Namiashi Raidou + Yamashiro Aoba

These guys would all die instantly. Remember what Orochimaru did to Anko; what Tsunade did to Shizune; what Jiraiya did to Ebisu. These guys drop like flies.

Kakashi + Gai + Asuma + Kurenai + Dan + Uchiha Fugaku + Hyuuga Hizashi + Hyuuga Hiashi These guys would last several minutes one-on-one with Sannin; all of them together, especially Dan, have a good chance of winning. If you factor in the other guys as cannon fodder, then this probably goes to the jounin.

Nighthawk

07-05-2005, 10:03 AM

These guys would all die instantly. Remember what Orochimaru did to Anko; what Tsunade did to Shizune; what Jiraiya did to Ebisu. These guys drop like flies.

Indeed. They drop like flies. Quite different from winning. :laugh

lekki

07-05-2005, 10:31 AM

These guys would all die instantly. Remember what Orochimaru did to Anko; what Tsunade did to Shizune; what Jiraiya did to Ebisu. These guys drop like flies.

These guys would last several minutes one-on-one with Sannin; all of them together, especially Dan, have a good chance of winning. If you factor in the other guys as cannon fodder, then this probably goes to the jounin.

Here is another good point, if most of these guys put up as much of a fight as Anko did against a kawarimi...:( or Ebisu against Jiraiya...:( or Shizune's Vaaliant effort to stop Tsunade :( :( Remember, Shizune has stats comparable to Kakashi and she is an actual jounin not a special jounin.

This fight is in the bag for the Sannin.

Aman

07-05-2005, 04:39 PM

He only ask for Naruto's help because he wanted the battle to end quicker, they were in a rush to save Gaara. Kakashi would have taken him on even if Naruto wasn't there. I dont remember him saying he cant handle him.

Itachi is always trying to avoid fights for some reason, not neccessarily meaning he can't defeat his opponents. Besides, they didn't need Naruto right right away.

there's a reason why I'm a Kakashi fangirl, and it's not just because of his damn good looks.
Oh man don't tell me that you're one of those that believe that Itachi is lower then Kakashi... The LotU even makes a lot more sense then you...
Oh, and i wont reply anymore since i'm going on a vacation...

RaitoRyuukashin

07-05-2005, 04:57 PM

These guys would last several minutes one-on-one with Sannin; all of them together, especially Dan, have a good chance of winning. If you factor in the other guys as cannon fodder, then this probably goes to the jounin.

But I dont see a way for the Jounins to beat the sannin. Say Gai opens the magical 8th gate. Whats to stop Jiraiya from summoning the frog stomach to protect the sannin or for Orchimaru just to turn into a mud kawarimi and avoid the fight with Gai. Or Tsunade Just punching Gai before he powers up. I see almost all forget about the clearly large summons the Sannins have that arent even the bosses. The Sannin working together would dominate.

chakra25

07-05-2005, 05:12 PM

20 Ninja's vs the sannin is a bit overkill.

Gai can take out one Sannin by himself with the 8th Gate open. The 8th Gate will allow the fighter to reach Hokage level temporarily. All Gai has to do is take out Orochimaru or Jiraiya.

Kakashi is pretty good... he has the Sharingan and copied a 1000 Jutsu.

Asuma took out 9 Sand Ninjas by himself to rescue Shikamaru. I think they were jounins.

Hyuugas are very powerful. The Jyuuken with Byakugan can kill an opponent quickly.

Plus the other Jounins and Chuunins, the last 2 Sannins is going to have a hard time.

Hef

07-05-2005, 05:13 PM

I'm not saying this to anyone in particular, but remember that the Sannin are known as the three ninjas. The three ninjas fought in a war, the three ninjas are a team. They work the best together.
Yes, they are known on an individual level, too, but they did gain their reputation as a team. I see little reason why the 20 ninjas would win.

kapsi

07-05-2005, 05:22 PM

But I dont see a way for the Jounins to beat the sannin. Say Gai opens the magical 8th gate. Whats to stop Jiraiya from summoning the frog stomach to protect the sannin or for Orchimaru just to turn into a mud kawarimi and avoid the fight with Gai. Or Tsunade Just punching Gai before he powers up.
Let's see...19 other ninjas constantly attacking.

Nighthawk

07-05-2005, 05:24 PM

Let's see...19 other ninjas constantly attacking.

You can't "attack" a sannin unless you're kage level or even stronger. Otherwise, it's suicide. No matter how many ninjas.

RaitoRyuukashin

07-05-2005, 05:33 PM

Let's see...19 other ninjas constantly attacking.

You can't attack if your dead either.

Tsunade would take anyone down who got close enough with Taijutsu. Orochimaru's Killer intent would probaly Paralyze every single one of them. Jiraiya could just summon the firebreathing toad and roast them. Sannin are teh pwn0rz.

~AK

07-05-2005, 05:47 PM

You can't "attack" a sannin unless you're kage level or even stronger. Otherwise, it's suicide. No matter how many ninjas.
Yes and no... you can absolutely attack them.... how successful you are though is another story.
- The team of Sannins are legendary for their exploits throughout the entire ninja world... not just a couple towns... the three of them working together against any small force of jounins would be a horrible mismatch. As talented as the jounins of Konoha are... they are still catching up to the likes of the sannins.

wolfman_120

07-05-2005, 05:51 PM

The Legendary Sannin are strong, but not that strong..

Nighthawk

07-05-2005, 05:55 PM

The Legendary Sannin are strong, but not that strong..

oh yeah? Thanks for clearing that up. :kukuku

~AK

07-05-2005, 06:06 PM

oh yeah? Thanks for clearing that up.
lol... I like people here already... The sannins are that strong... look at the reactions that other ninjas have when presented just a mention of Oro... or realizing in front of them is none other than Jiraiya the madman... Tsunade the most talented medical nin in history... craziness.

jemakai

07-05-2005, 06:19 PM

It makes sense the 20 ninja's are leading this poll. No one can beat Kakashi and Gai in a few seconds, not the sanin or any member of Ataksuki. Speaking of Ataksuki, if the differences between jounins and that sanins is that large then the jounins and Naruto's gerneration have no hope at all of beating. The Ataksuki are around the sanin level if not higher, I doubt Kisimoto will have only the sanin take one each member of Ataksuki so it is up to the jounins and Naruto's gerneration to beat them in team battles. Teamwork overcomes alot.

Hef

07-05-2005, 06:26 PM

Teamwork overcomes alot.
Exactly. The Sannin gained their reputation as a team, they fought as a team.
The 20 ninjas have no experience fighting as a team (except for the InoShikaChou).

RaitoRyuukashin

07-05-2005, 06:28 PM

Speaking of Ataksuki, if the differences between jounins and that sanins is that large then the jounins and Naruto's gerneration have no hope at all of beating.

Thats why every battle the Akatsuki are outnumbered? no?

~AK

07-05-2005, 06:28 PM

No one can beat Kakashi and Gai in a few seconds, not the sanin or any member of Ataksuki.
How long did it take Itachi to defeat Kakashi once he was serious and used Mangekyou??... seconds. This might not work again but what I'm saying is that power levels that are similar allow battles to wage on for large amounts of time... otherwise... ninja battles are supposed to be relatively short.

sik4rilz

07-05-2005, 06:35 PM

jemakai

07-05-2005, 07:13 PM

How long did it take Itachi to defeat Kakashi once he was serious and used Mangekyou??... seconds. This might not work again but what I'm saying is that power levels that are similar allow battles to wage on for large amounts of time... otherwise... ninja battles are supposed to be relatively short.

Itachi has one of the only abilities in Naruto that can take out an opponent instantly especially when they don't know exactly what it is, M sharingan is the only exception. Jiraya, Oro, and Tunsade don't have moves that instantly take out an opponet by looking at them so they are going to have to take more time to defeat a person like Kakashi. Kakashi knows 1000+ jutsu's and Gai can open gates, they can atleast defend themselves against anything the sanin throw at him them for a good amount of time. The Hyuuga's have kaiten which makes them untouchable for a short amount of time, Chouji's father has his super size and can atleast take all 3 pills. The sanins are humans, it takes time for them to perform a move and they choose targets for the move. They also don't have Byukagan thus can be surprised, and they can underestimate their opponents

michaelbirotte, Sasori is currently in a two on one fight and so is Diedara so by you guys standards they have no chance in hell and should be taken out quickly. Ataksuki members travel in pairs, the most main characters a single Ataksuki member is likely to fight is 1 jounin leading his chuunin team and thats if they have another jounin team or don't get split up.

hefaistion, the sanin haven't seen each other for around 15 years much less worked together; there team work will not be as crisp as it once was. Gai and Kakashi are actively in missions and leading other shinobi, infact many of the guys in this 20 could have been under their command once in a while. Team work generally works better when you have more options to work with anyway, all the weak nins could scatter while the stronger nins stall for time. The weaker nins can form a plan to distract each of the sanin, they are after all still humans and can make errors and get distracted. The 20 nins have the leafs 1# tactitian and a couple of guys that can go suicide for the cause with huge amounts of power, add in the fact that the sanin can't use boss summons and the 20 nins can win this.

Hef

07-05-2005, 07:22 PM

hefaistion, the sanin haven't seen each other for around 15 years much less worked together; there team work will not be as crisp as it once was. Gai and Kakashi are actively in missions and leading other shinobi, infact many of the guys in this 20 could have been under their command once in a while. Team work generally works better when you have more options to work with anyway, all the weak nins could scatter while the stronger nins stall for time. The weaker nins can form a plan to distract each of the sanin, they are after all still humans and can make errors and get distracted. The 20 nins have the leafs 1# tactitian and a couple of guys that can go suicide for the cause with huge amounts of power, add in the fact that the sanin can't use boss summons and the 20 nins can win this.
Now, let's take a look at the list. I highlighted the dead guys in red (I'm not sure which one of the Hyuuga brothers is dead so I just took one of them :blink)
Kakashi + Gai + Asuma + Kurenai + Dan + Uchiha Fugaku + Hyuuga Hizashi + Hyuuga Hiashi + Akimichi Chouza + Yamanaka Inoichi + Nara Shukaku+ Aburame Shibi + Inuzuka Tsume + Mitarashi Anko + Morino Ibiki + Ebisu+ Shiranui Genma + Gekko Hayate + Namiashi Raidou + Yamashiro Aoba
So, if we're to follow the logic that the Sannin haven't fought together in 15 years and thus their teamwork might be rusty, then we can say that those dead guys can't take part in the fight. But since they indeed are in the fight, we can say that the Sannin work as a team like they used to.
So that's it.

And do you really think that the Sannin would fall for a simple distraction? I'm saying this again, the Sannin fought together in a war, fighting agains armies. Sure it might be a bit harder now that the 20 nins aren't just cannon fodder but have some skills, but I'm still convinced that with teamwork they can take them out if they survived from the war.
And the boss summons are not the only things that the Sannin can summon.
Oh, and who's the number one tactician? :oh

kapsi

07-05-2005, 07:29 PM

Shikamaru?

Jink

07-05-2005, 07:33 PM

id say the sannin will win, well they are the sannin and im sure they have WAY more jutsus then what weve seen and different summons as well

jemakai

07-05-2005, 08:04 PM

Now, let's take a look at the list. I highlighted the dead guys in red (I'm not sure which one of the Hyuuga brothers is dead so I just took one of them :blink)

So, if we're to follow the logic that the Sannin haven't fought together in 15 years and thus their teamwork might be rusty, then we can say that those dead guys can't take part in the fight. But since they indeed are in the fight, we can say that the Sannin work as a team like they used to.
So that's it.

I don't get your reasoning. The sanin may indeed be rusty, especially Tunsade. The long dead guys obviously won't have that much team work either(not that they are make or break the fight anyway) but it is a good thing there are 17 other guys and Kakashi would atleast know something about Uchiha Fugaku, Dan, and Hyuuga Hiashi. He knew Gekko Hayate atleast.

And do you really think that the Sannin would fall for a simple distraction? I'm saying this again, the Sannin fought together in a war, fighting agains armies. Sure it might be a bit harder now that the 20 nins aren't just cannon fodder but have some skills, but I'm still convinced that with teamwork they can take them out if they survived from the war.
And the boss summons are not the only things that the Sannin can summon.
Oh, and who's the number one tactician? :oh

Zabuza fell for a distraction from two genins on their first real mission, the sanin are still human and alot of things are possible especially when you have Kakashi leading the team and so many shinobi with varying specialties. The leaf's number one tactician is Kakashi, it has been stated a couple times.

Hef

07-05-2005, 08:41 PM

I don't get your reasoning. The sanin may indeed be rusty, especially Tunsade. The long dead guys obviously won't have that much team work either(not that they are make or break the fight anyway) but it is a good thing there are 17 other guys and Kakashi would atleast know something about Uchiha Fugaku, Dan, and Hyuuga Hiashi. He knew Gekko Hayate atleast.
My point was that you were mixing things up, and I'm not blaming you since this whole battle is overly artificial and impossible. The gist of it was that why would the Sannin have rusty teamwork (meaning the "present" time in Naruto, where they haven't been in touch for 15 years thus making their teamwork rusty), if there are dead guys from the past in the fight? Why would the thread starter make the battle even more disadvantageous for the Sannin? (Why would the thread starter even make this kind of a battle, where the setting is unclear and plain impossible? :blink)
I'm sorry if that doesn't make sense to you, I really am, but there's not much I can do to it since English isn't my first language.

Here we can see that the thread starters should be more specific when making these kind of battles (or any battles at all). :S

Zabuza fell for a distraction from two genins on their first real mission, the sanin are still human and alot of things are possible especially when you have Kakashi leading the team and so many shinobi with varying specialties. The leaf's number one tactician is Kakashi, it has been stated a couple times.
Yeah, well, Zabuza didn't fight in a war, nor did he have 40 years of experience in fighting and he certainly didn't grow up on a battlefield. But sure, it is possible that the Sannin might do a mistake.
And thanks for clearing that up, I was thinking that you meant Nara Shukaku ^_^;;

Maximus

07-05-2005, 10:02 PM

20 ninjas are too much to handle and they include one of the best shinobis from konoha.

My vote = 20ninjas>sanins

Hazuki

07-06-2005, 09:07 PM

kisame 30% is can take gai, lee, negi and the other in the same time
in 30 % of his shakra

and we know that kisame is weaker than sannin ( well weaker than jiraiya) even 100% of his shakra so 3 sannin can took easely 20 junnin

i mean sannin have a lots of S rank , and i think they did they mission alone !

( kakashi had 37 mission S rank , but i doubt he was alone when he did the S rank mission he was with lots of other junnin )

each sannin can do a mission S rank alone on their own
they can force a leaf if they want......

shakyninja

07-06-2005, 09:10 PM

As we saw from the 4th in the gaiden a great ninja can defeat many numbers

crazyaznweirdo45

07-06-2005, 09:34 PM

1 word... overkill

Seon

07-07-2005, 06:23 AM

dude....Kakashi and Gai are te really hard deal for ANY NINJA including the HOkage! so the 20 ninjas by far would be impossible for the Sannins

Neji

03-18-2006, 03:28 PM

if it wasnt for kakashi and gai....sannin would've won...i still choose sannin because they're just strong and orichimaru can do that edo tensei thing

Blitzkrieg

03-18-2006, 03:34 PM

The 20 Elite Ninjas would destroy the 3 Sanin

Snickers

03-18-2006, 04:31 PM

If This is a decided battle, thus meaning preparance is possible, im quite sure the sannin will win.

Also Gai and Kakashi are very capable ninja's, but plz do not make them as a ''true'' match for the sannin. Those three have worked together during their youth and know eachother styles quite well. The sannin is the deadliest combination so far. a Gai and kakashi couldn't possibly make a difference, especially when this battle allowes preparations.:

Orochimaru prepares around 5 dead bodies: summons: shodai, nidaime, sandaime hokage.summons Konoha's white fang aka kakashi's father, who's a genius He summons Uchiha Shinsui (if he heard of him)
Jiraiya gets his '' unshowed'' awesome sealing jutsu ready.
Tsunade Takes it up a notch.

First thing they do is render Gai and kakashi useless. ( Oro's edo tensei keeps other 18 busy). (Oro, he's busy with edo tensei)/jiraiya/tsunade gang up on kakashi and Gai : No chance they'd get away. Then they join the edo-tensei'd crew and pwn the rest.

K I S K E

03-18-2006, 04:33 PM

The Sannin. Tsunade is a rgeat supporter/brawler, Jiraiya flat out kills...And Oro is amazing, and is incredibly hard to kill. And what is this saying that Kakashi and Gai are near Sannin level? We hvae no proof of this, and Kakashi couldnt even fight Oro...Now, Jiraiya can use the swamp thingy, while Oro goes slashy with Kusanagi, and pulls off some other bad ass jutsus. Tsunade can heal, and become a juggernaut, and punch the hella outta' people, and pull off some more mass jutsus.

The Sannin win..o_o;

Hype

03-18-2006, 04:37 PM

Jiraiya - Hell swamp

20 nins "shit" drown :)

Failing that Oro uses edo tensei and the Sannin go to a random corner and chill for a bit.

Blitzkrieg

03-18-2006, 05:00 PM

Jiraiya - Hell swamp

20 nins "shit" drown :)

Failing that Oro uses edo tensei and the Sannin go to a random corner and chill for a bit.They aren't gonna be sitting ducks you know plus you have a Uchiha who would copy that Hell Swamp jutsu

Yondy

03-18-2006, 06:41 PM

A bit excessive, but the 20 nins take this. Definetly.

Hyuuga Neji

03-18-2006, 06:50 PM

the team, because the sanins are really strong, NOT invincible

Hype

03-18-2006, 07:48 PM

They aren't gonna be sitting ducks you know plus you have a Uchiha who would copy that Hell Swamp jutsu

True but we dont know how big a swamp a fully fit and healthy Jiraiya can summon. In the Sannin battle he was aiming to drown one of Oro's biggest snake summons and complained that it was too small and that was a very weak drugged Jiraiya. Plus a lot of his justu seem unique and un-copyable.

If Oro uses edo tensei we know for a fact that he can bring at least 3 Hokages back (the 4th a possibilty) Those 3 could cause a shit load of trouble. I was just adding a bit of comedy to my last post i was'nt impying that it would be a easy victory far from it.

I think the Sannin can take it though they were nigh on unbeatable as a team

Hokage Mac Dre

03-18-2006, 08:38 PM

20 jounins that rank from low-med-high and elite, a lot of whom are genius and great skill. Just to point out, the difference between jounin and sannin is no where near the difference between jounin and sannin. 1 jounin can destroy a whole mob of chunnins not because of strength but because of experience and knowledge.

jounin's are battle tested and they each know their strengths and weaknesses, 20 jounins will be enough to take out 3 sannin. I'm sure a lot of the jounin's have summons(just like Kakashi), some are even elite with abilities of bloodlines. The jounins also have many different types of fighters, tai users, gen users and extremely great nin users.

Oro feared Itatchi b/c of MS (and a lot of other reasons) but Kakashi is very similar. Abilities of the MS, also a genius and his raikiri MAY cause problems for Oro. Kakashi with 3 others could do it.

Gai would be a great match up for Tsunade... i'm sure with gates he would cause her many problems throw in about 3-4 others and it'll be over.

Than Jiraiya would have to fight the rest. Atleast 13 jounins he would have to face, and numbers matter, so i think the jounins would win again.

I know a lot are gonna argue, but it's my belief. and i really think that 20 jounins could take on 3 sannin.

Blitzkrieg

03-18-2006, 09:59 PM

Plus a lot of his justu seem unique and un-copyable.The only jutsu that I've seen from Jiraiya that IMO wouldn't be able to copy is Rasengan...I believe that as long as there are hand seals Sharingan should be able to copy it (unless it's a blood line)

Neji-Byakugan

03-18-2006, 10:40 PM

Ok its basically the best ninjas in konoha vs 3 sannin. What the hell!!!!! People actually think the sannins will win. These are the best of the best plus HUGE # diff. One jutsu will not take all them out. Dont get me wrong the sannins are the SH*T but not invincible SH*T. The 20 nin will be doing tag team on them. Sannins lose this battle..... wait this is more than a battle its a damn war with 20 nin.

Questor96

03-19-2006, 12:03 AM

It's a close one, no matter how you look at it, the sannin have some huge mega jutsus and stuff, and there's 20 nins fighting them.

anyone thought of the adult InoShikaCho formation? more deadly than the original, could prolly bind a sannin, while the others gang their sorry butt.

and the sannin = hokage lvl, think about it, Jiraya was offered it, Oro could have been it, and Tsunade is it.

this would be one great episode....

itachichoi

03-19-2006, 01:40 AM

.... sannins will lose stated above but it wont b one great episode.. itll be many great episodes... orochimaru can take 1 by using his imortality jutsu, jiraiya might take a few down and tsunade just punch some in but in the end the 20 ninjas will overrun them :/

Last of the Uchihas

03-19-2006, 06:18 PM

that's an very interesting match.

Neji-Byakugan

03-19-2006, 06:56 PM

Aaah! Kakashi, Gai, Asuma is a threat already against Jiraiya. Hiashi and Hizashi would make a good duo against Tsunade, however they need to avoid getting hit.
Dan and Fugaku + the rest would floor Orochimaru, IMO. But we need more men to take down Tsunade.

Why do you ned more to take down tsunade one hit from the hyuugas she would be done for considering they hit her chakra system on the 1st hit

Battlemaster

03-20-2006, 01:15 PM

I give it to Sennin...extremely power,also its very difficult to become a sennin...

Arroniro Arleri

03-20-2006, 02:07 PM

Jiraiya - Hell swamp

20 nins "shit" drown :)

Failing that Oro uses edo tensei and the Sannin go to a random corner and chill for a bit.
Agreed. The Sannin will win for the reson stated here.:)

Giant Enemy Crab

03-20-2006, 03:37 PM

I think the Sannin would win because Orochimaru would use Edo Tensei to summon Sadaime and/or Yondiame (if he isn't dead), Jiraraih would use the frog belly, and Tsuade would use her mostorous strength and create medicine to heal Oro and Jir.

Seany

03-20-2006, 03:40 PM

Lol easily the Sannin.

Motoko (inactive)

03-20-2006, 03:51 PM

Orochimaru starts by summoning two-three Kages. Tsunade and Jiraya are summoning few middle level creatures and then those three their Boss summons. I doubt even 20 skilled ninja can stand against something like that. Gai, Kakashi and Asume can comepete with Sannins but rest will get killed rather fast.

Hyuuga Neji

03-20-2006, 05:15 PM

Smilez8324

03-21-2006, 10:31 AM

now look peeps, the jounins are tight, but they are no sannin, now all the levels are far apart, think about genin to chunin, then chuunin to jounin, now jounin to sannin, the closest one is sannin to hokage, some one posted earlier about kakashi and oro, how scared kakashi was, and kakashi even said it himself, then remember kakashi to itachi, kakashi got crushed, then itachi and kisume to jirayia(i dont know how to spell it), kisume said that he couldnt take him but maybe itachi could, and itachi said they would both definatly die, or if they got lucky they would be him but die with him, now also compare when the 4 sound ninjas fought the 2 jounins with curse level 2, it was a 4 on 2 but we know the jounins destroyed them, yes they lost over all but it was crucial, now my point with that is with the curse level 2 there levels werent even jounin level, anyway i gotta dip for a bit but it should be ovbious

slasher1001

03-21-2006, 12:17 PM

lol many post sanin will win but the poll say otherway.

Smilez8324

03-21-2006, 12:42 PM

yeah i believe most people really dont think about what these people are capable of

Dhaos

03-22-2006, 07:02 AM

I defenetly think the sannins would win, Jiraiya have his swamp, which is able to change a landscape, the same goes for Tsunade with her strenght.

And lets not forget that Orochimaru is there also, and can use jutsus like Edo Tensei, summon 2-3 kages.

Shidoshi

03-22-2006, 04:52 PM

Jiraiya - Hell swamp

20 nins "shit" drown :)Please.

You're talking about ninja who can walk on liquid as easily as they can toast bread. You're talking about ninja who can jump incredible heights and distances as easily as you and I can type. The Swamp of the Underworld would have only worked on the snakes because...

...when have you seen a snake with feet jump under its own power?

Tsunade's not shown to be incredibly fast on her feet. Even going at near-full steam (chasing Kabuto and Oro to crush them), Kabuto and a weakened and wounded Orochimaru were able to avoid her boulder-crushing blows. And Kabuto with a soldier pill has a weakness in taijutsu. There's no doubt that Tsunade's strong as shit...but all that strength is meaningless if she can't apply it well.

The bulk of Jiraiya's destructive ability lie in summoning. The only other wide-spread jutsu that we've seen from him, the Swamp of the Underworld Doton, wouldn't work on being that can jump and walk on liquid.

And those lesser snakes? Yeah, Pre-time-skip Kyuubified Naruto stopped one dead in its tracks with only two kunai.

To be perfectly honest, had Gamabunta and Tsunade not worked together (to set up that Dosu strike through Manda's snout), Oro and Manda probably would have killed them all. It worked out the way it did because it was essentially two against one.

Failing that Oro uses edo tensei and the Sannin go to a random corner and chill for a bit.

The only currently unbeatable jutsu we've seen so far besides the Shiki Fuujin, is the Edo Tensei, since killing Orochimaru wouldn't dispel the summoning, if Oro were even prepared to use that, someone on the "20 ninjas" side would have to sacrifice themselves to seal the resurrections.

I'm not saying the Sannin would definitely lose, and I'm not saying that the other side would definitely be murdered either --- all I'm saying is that the difference between the "Elite Jounin" level of Kakashi and Gai and Asuma and Genma and Raidou (because Genma and Raidou are also considered to be the Konoha Elite) and the "Sannin" level isn't a great a gulf as most in this thread make it out to be.

On the flipside, there is strength in numbers, to a point.

xKrazYx

03-24-2006, 01:24 AM

20 Jounins take this easily.

Kakashi and Gai with 7 gates and M-Sharingan can take down Oro. Oro is scared SHITLESS of M-Sharingan because Oro relies on Ninjutsu, something that Sharingan is made to be effective against.

Hyuuga Hiashi and Hyuuga Hizashi would take down Tsunade with ease. With Jyuuken, and HakkeSho: Rokujuu Yonsho, cutting off her chakra would make Genesis Rebirth usable only once. And Tsunade is a close range fighter, there is nothing she can do against two advanced Jyuuken fighters with Byakugan.

The remaining 15 Ninja can take down Jiraiya.

Also, the gap from Elite Jounin to Sannin isn't as big as Genin to Chuunin or Chuunin to Jounin at all.

Jiraiya is not stronger than Yondaime. There are plenty of instances where students become much stronger than their teacher. Yondaime is stronger than Jiraiya for sure.

I'll post more later, but I gotta go now.

I'm giving this to 20 nins easily though.

RupertGriffin

07-29-2006, 01:33 PM

Hyuuga x 2. Damn.

Most of the ones you listed were chunin, though.

AkamaruKiba92

07-29-2006, 01:38 PM

The 20 ninjas would win, though Ebisu and Ibiki are useless. Genma, Kakashi, and Asuma would be the real threats

Masa Def

07-29-2006, 02:00 PM

wow i can't beleive people voted for the sannin....

Da_Ultimate

07-29-2006, 02:20 PM

I don't see 20 jounins beating the Sannin. If a ninja is strong enough,even fighting a handful of ninjas doesn't matter. The Sannins are far more experienced than the Jounins. I can see them giving the Trio some trouble, but they can't win.

Itachi,

07-29-2006, 02:34 PM

Kakashi + Gai + Asuma + Kurenai + Dan + Uchiha Fugaku + Hyuuga Hizashi + Hyuuga Hiashi + Akimichi Chouza + Yamanaka Inoichi + Nara Shukaku+ Aburame Shibi + Inuzuka Tsume + Mitarashi Anko + Morino Ibiki+ Ebisu+ Shiranui Genma+ Gekko Hayate + Namiashi Raidou + Yamashiro Aoba

You got Kakashi With his sharingan Gai he can open up 8 gates you got kurenai and asuma and the hyuugas they have byagukan you got relatives of characters of naruto that are elite jounins including Anko sorry but the

SANNIN AS MUCH AS THERE SKILL LEVEL GOES WITH ALL THESE NINJA IT WOULD BE NOTHING BUT A FUNERAL

Sexy

07-29-2006, 03:34 PM

Da_Ultimate

07-29-2006, 03:35 PM