Uzumaki Naruto vs. Edward Elric

[Paperclips]

this is a bit of a crossover, but i think that Ed would win. Even if he is bad at fighting Ninjas (for those of you that have read the FMA manga) he is still amazing, plus he's got alchemy on his side.....and that really cool sword-arm.

Manga Edward vs. Manga Naruto

[lekki]

Absolutely wrong thread, you should put this one in outskirts.
Elric wins BTW

[Paperclips]

well, duh, Ed wins. but it would be an interesting fight.

Absolutely wrong thread, you should put this one in outskirts.
really? this is still a vs. thing and it has naruto in it? i don't see what's wrong with it.

[lekki]

check out the outskirts battledome and you'll get it.

[Freija]

Edward wins...


pushing needles from the floor straight up on Naruto if he jumps he recreats and make a cage Alchemy gives him too much advantage

[Paperclips]

but naruto is a little fast for that. in that episode of FMA where ed makes the cage over the dude that stole that lady's purse, the guy hesitated because he was freaked out. and naruto has that frog-thingy too. and nine-tails.

[Freija]

but naruto is a little fast for that. in that episode of FMA where ed makes the cage over the dude that stole that lady's purse, the guy hesitated because he was freaked out. and naruto has that frog-thingy too. and nine-tails.
ya but he can create a dam around a big fat hill so i think he can mangage to stop naruto and from there on just add som spikes to kill him..

[Paperclips]

yeah, but it would be VERY fun to watch. That should be an episode. Even though it has nothing to do with anything.

[Gooba]

you should put this one in outskirts.Done and done.

Ed wins, Code made it clear that FMA people are just ridiculously fast, even compared to Jounin+. Alchemy>Ninjutsu as well.

[Insipidipity]

A gimp with a fake arm and leg vs. the container of the Kyubi. Fully dead Alchemist.

[Ssj3_Goku]

Edward wins...


pushing needles from the floor straight up on Naruto if he jumps he recreats and make a cage Alchemy gives him too much advantage

then he realizes he hit a kaga bunshinn and gets cracked by rasengan right after wards... Down goes ed.

[Jeltz]

Ed can dodge bullets so I think that he has the advantage in speed, and alchemy seems to me much more powerful than the jutsu that Naruto uses. He can create a wall to defend against rasengan or more likly just simply dodge it.

[Uchiha 0bito]

naruto wins because kyuubi is invencible

[Ssj3_Goku]

Ed can dodge bullets so I think that he has the advantage in speed, and alchemy seems to me much more powerful than the jutsu that Naruto uses. He can create a wall to defend against rasengan or more likly just simply dodge it.

'Sorry but he would be to slow to realize it and it would be to late because he would think he allready had him in the cage. Dodge bullets ummm never seen that in FMA compared to FMA he looks slow compared to naruto expecially in episode 133...



Sorry but the clones/ Rasengan/ Frog summoning has Ed beat. its plain as daylight really. Naruto is going to be the Next Goku and their is nothing stoping him.

[Code]

'Sorry but he would be to slow to realize it and it would be to late because he would think he allready had him in the cage. Dodge bullets ummm never seen that in FMA compared to FMA he looks slow compared to naruto expecially in episode 133...



Sorry but the clones/ Rasengan/ Frog summoning has Ed beat. its plain as daylight really. Naruto is going to be the Next Goku and their is nothing stoping him.
Ed will be too slow to realize it? Ed is a genius compared to Naruto... And usually with FMA vs. ninjas, it's always they're too slow. You said compared to Naruto in 133. 133, it had flashy animation, very well animated and made speed appearant. FMA on the other hand, doesn't make a big deal with speed, but you'd think they'd be fast with facing someone like the machine gun alchemist that got absolutely owned... Manga also has additional stuff and we actually see him face ninjas. To the poster above, he didn't not do well against them, at first he was being tossed around a bit but in the end he was able to defeat them. The same ninjas that are too fast for even homunculi to react to. The fact is, Naruto makes a big deal about speed. While in FMA, well instead of just running around, they mostly show quick reactions(of course there is still displan of running speed).

Never seen dodging bullets in FMA?

http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1262324&postcount=25
http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1260997&postcount=20

I was wondering how long it would take you to show up -Gooba

[Ssj3_Goku]

Genious corret but we seen what naruto can do against a genious now did we :)

i just dont see ED beating Naruto , naruto has alot backing him up and now in the manga he has a new rasengan and some special jutsu that well seems to be pretty bad ass and all if jiriyia is making a big deal about it.

[Code]

And then Ed can create whatever he wants at amazing speed... And he's an expert in close range combat...

You should take a look at the recent FMA fights...

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ well amazing speed i seen more amazing speed creating moves and all in naruto than i DID in FMA.

Close range combat hes good yea but still shadow clones, 2 versions of rasengan , Kyubii ( right their just says it all) , Summoning, he does not get tired as easy either.

plus those metal arm and leg would get torn off pretty fast if naruto went kyubii or something and when that happens ed cannot use his alchemy well he has to use the symbol then and that takes time to draw.

o plus 1800 POST!

[sasukedecpt]

Naruto because he use ninjutsu and shit.

[NineG]

i would say naruto
with his kyuubi and another thing eleric can't swim so one push in the water now you know he's dead

[Takuza]

If Ed can dodge bullets, then Naruto is killed before he can blink. He Ed can't dodge bulltes, he is still is to fast to get hit by rasegaen, or let naruto summon. while so people say they can't say ed winning, I can't see naruto winning. Naruto is a weakling that gets lucky in a bunch of fights >.> .

[sayam]

i would say naruto
with his kyuubi and another thing eleric can't swim so one push in the water now you know he's dead

I don't recall that ed couldn't swim or is it that just my memory are somewhere where I can't find it...

however Naruto can walk on water just that fact make naruto the winner, he's on par with jesus ffs. :P

[Lord Yu]

Ed would get dominated simply put naruto is to strong and too fast. I've seen FMA. Ed would get smacked around. P.S. whats with this thread and grammar? I can hardly read some of the replies.

[Code]

I don't recall that ed couldn't swim or is it that just my memory are somewhere where I can't find it...

however Naruto can walk on water just that fact make naruto the winner, he's on par with jesus ffs. :P
Ed can simply create a giant slab of stone and go over the water that way... or why not just make the water dissapear? and make something out of it...

I'm wondering if people that say they see no chance for Ed winning, are current with the FMA manga. (not sure if it'll matter a whole lot, you can make a god vs. itachi thread and people will still vote itachi...).

[Insipidipity]

You forget the principle of equivalence. He can only reshape/fix things, he can't change matter(because he doesn't know about atomic structure so he can't move subatomic particles :P ) Plus, he's NOT faster than a bullet. He's a normal person except he has alchemy instead of technology.

[Code]

You forget the principle of equivalence. He can only reshape/fix things, he can't change matter(because he doesn't know about atomic structure so he can't move subatomic particles :P ) Plus, he's NOT faster than a bullet. He's a normal person except he has alchemy instead of technology.
He can use a substance then change it into something of the same substance. We know he can easily do something a doton user can do to whatever extent he wishes (as far as we know). He should also be able to do things suiton users can do whatever extent.

Well I'll direct you to the last post on page 1, I looked through the FMA manga and posted some of the pictures of dodging bullets.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1479458&postcount=15

"Normal men" can match up to people like
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6523/fmav11c045p0423if.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3324/fmav11c045p0435np.jpg

Even Ed has no problem running across structures against gravity (as shown in an image below) nor jumping ontop of things 20 feet high with ease.

There's King Bradley with his right eye closed, he sliced a bullet shot at nearly point blank range... Yet he even said that he hates that he's old and that he can't keep up with someone like Linh in chapter 48(I think). Or Scar, there is Hawkeye who basically is supposed to be extremely accurate at shooting(look at name), shot Scar, Scar dodges, uses 2 guns and shoots a lot of bullets at a close range, Scar easily dodges and she says "too fast." Ed is also able to keep up with Scar.

http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fmav11c045p0399pt.jpg
(Also note the side effect of their clashing).
Another example.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scsfmach47092wj.png
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scsfmach47308ie.png

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/657/scsfmach4628293ab.png
Look how fast he was able to dodge and climb up that pipe.

[Lord Yu]

I have looked at the evidence and I have retrieved a verdict. The verdict that ed is faster than Naruto. BS! sure ed is agile but not fast. he dodged bullets because of agility not sheer speed. Really look at those pics its not sheer speed its agility and dumb luck. I'm sorry but those pics prove nothing to me. Naruto dominates Ed in speed.

[Insipidipity]

He can use a substance then change it into something of the same substance. We know he can easily do something a doton user can do to whatever extent he wishes (as far as we know). He should also be able to do things suiton users can do whatever extent.

Well I'll direct you to the last post on page 1, I looked through the FMA manga and posted some of the pictures of dodging bullets.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=1479458&postcount=15

"Normal men" can match up to people like
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6523/fmav11c045p0423if.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3324/fmav11c045p0435np.jpg

Even Ed has no problem running across structures against gravity (as shown in an image below) nor jumping ontop of things 20 feet high with ease.

There's King Bradley with his right eye closed, he sliced a bullet shot at nearly point blank range... Yet he even said that he hates that he's old and that he can't keep up with someone like Linh in chapter 48(I think). Or Scar, there is Hawkeye who basically is supposed to be extremely accurate at shooting(look at name), shot Scar, Scar dodges, uses 2 guns and shoots a lot of bullets at a close range, Scar easily dodges and she says "too fast." Ed is also able to keep up with Scar.

http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fmav11c045p0399pt.jpg
(Also note the side effect of their clashing).
Another example.
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scsfmach47092wj.png
http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scsfmach47308ie.png

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/657/scsfmach4628293ab.png
Look how fast he was able to dodge and climb up that pipe.
You talk about King Bradley like he's human...and I seriously don't think she meant he was too fast for bullets, Im pretty sure she meant he was moving too fast for her to get a clear shot.

[Code]

You talk about King Bradley like he's human...and I seriously don't think she meant he was too fast for bullets, Im pretty sure she meant he was moving too fast for her to get a clear shot.
Of which page was he moving too fast to get a clear shot? Also did you look at every one of those images?

Well we've easily seen the Homunculus outmatched many times. I know this topic is about Ed specifically but just to show you how even King Bradley can be outmatched by a human...


http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scsfmach46140bk.png
http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scsfmach47031ta.png
http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scsfmach47049ih.png

He said it himself, he won't be able to keep up with him.

And Ed and Al were able to defeat his body gaurds (who were the ninjas that showed great speed and agility) who he said they were prepared and he wasn't and that's he soft compared to them.

[Ssj3_Goku]

Naruto has kyubii nothing more. i dont see Ed demateralizing ( episode 62 of naruto) and have amazing speed aka 133 . he repels fire attacks, can walk or run anwhere he wants ( aka water, and what not) did i mention he has kyubii.. Seriously man right their just means Ed gets OWNED!

[Code]

Naruto has kyubii nothing more. i dont see Ed demateralizing ( episode 62 of naruto) and have amazing speed aka 133 . he repels fire attacks, can walk or run anwhere he wants ( aka water, and what not) did i mention he has kyubii.. Seriously man right their just means Ed gets OWNED!
Well are you only using the anime has evidence?

Or the fact that without realized it, Ed will be swallowed by a hand that suddenly covers and crushes him... or Ed simply runs behind Naruto and deals with him in close combat and his metal automails(in which he can make into a sword and do whatever...).

Regardless of what I say, someone will always point to the anime and say "this was shown as faster or more powerful" simply due to how it was animated and the focus on speed in one like Rock Lee and such, with this case "he has kyuubi"(despite him showing that too much Kyuubi results in him being hurt and well look at the end result of 133 or 134). That's why I compare say the bullet speed you can find out, at least a range of speeds, and then compare if any Naruto character has shown enough speed to react to that(say something moving faster than 2000 feet per second which I doubt it...) or as been able to run up something vertical with sheer speed? (Note: look at the whole chakra walking thing, they have to use chakra to run up the tree since they can't muster enough sheer speed). As well... even Ed has been running along a horizantal well with ease and then goes around and does a backflip off it outmatching someone in speed who has dodged 5+ bullets pointblank range from dual pistols weilded by hawkeye who has amazing accuracy (and comments that he's too fast).

[Insipidipity]

Sword arm vs Kyubi child who healed a hole in the chest in a few seconds, has chakra arms, can summon 1000 kage bunshins, use rasengan(which will hurt), or summon gamabunta. Plus if his automail arm is broken, no more alchemy!

[Michaelth]

okay dodge bullets? okay.. he aint no neo now

[Code]

Sword arm vs Kyubi child who healed a hole in the chest in a few seconds, has chakra arms, can summon 1000 kage bunshins, use rasengan(which will hurt), or summon gamabunta. Plus if his automail arm is broken, no more alchemy!
Look at what Kimimaro did to 1000 kage bunshons...

And read above. I edited my post.

And to the poster above... Geez... I post evidence ( I believe I'm the only one to do so in this thread as I've done so numerous times to the poitn of going through an entire manga and just posting some evidence to support my argument) and people just ignore it or make comments like that. Really I know it's worthless to debate a non-naruto vs. naruto person especially when it's the person with "pull out kyuubi and win" unless it's a comlpete landslise(in the case with DBZ) as it's impossible to convince someone with whatever you say. I've shown evidence and haven't gotten any evidence to counter my points. As it's simply ignored(well some people did pay attention which is good...). So well I've stated my position. I'm not stating that I'm right... though this isn't really much of an argument as I'd hope for it to be(well I won't bother anymore) as simply restating myself. Well I've said enough I think (and after 10 edits -_- I need to get out of the habit of always re-editing my posts 1 second after I've already editted it.... ).

[SleepingDisaster]

kyuubi naruto level 2, is kind a brutal animal fighting style with overwhelming chakra, strenght, speed and regeneration

I wonder if edward can survive from that

[Insipidipity]

Oh, and another thing. If a person has good accuracy, they may be sacrificing it for speed. Maybe Hawkeye just wasn't firing quick enough as opposed to say a machine gun which would really tell you just how fast. It doesn't seem like they dodge bullets consicously knowing they won't get hit.

I'm not basing this on animation. I'm basing this on the fact that they aren't trained for superhuman strength or speed. They are normal human beings who happen to know how to use alchemy. Even if he's a soldier(dog of the military), they wouldn't have bullets if normal people can dodge them, and he is just that, a normal person with expert skill with alchemy. He's got above average fighting, but for the most part it's on the scale of Mortal Kombat, while Naruto characters fight on the scale of...well humans in DBZ(like Krillin)

[Marsala]

The characters in Fullmetal Alchemist are only "peak human" level or a bit above, i.e. between the comic characters Batman and Spider-Man in strength and speed, otherwise the normal soldiers in Mustang's group would be completely irrelevant. Maes Hughes, who is certainly not superhuman, managed to peg Lust with a knife.

Scar dodges bullets in the same way as Batman does, by dodging the aim of the gunman, instead of moving at supersonic speeds like an Agent in the Matrix. If Scar were that fast, he wouldn't have to dodge bullets since he could run over to the gunmen and take them out before they could squeeze the triggers. Hitting a moving target with a pistol is much more difficult than is often imagined. There is no way that a real-life gunman would ever hit a running Rock Lee except by pure luck, and Rock Lee could easily take out an entire squad of normal humans armed with guns. Scar on the other hand has to retreat when facing more than a few soldiers at a time, and Ed and Mustang went out of their way to protect Scar from the army long enough to lure out the Homunculi. Also, I don't remember Bradley cutting a bullet in half, but his eye gives him Jedi-like foresight, enough to place his sword in the path of the bullet before it is even fired.

[Code]

Well if it's simply agility... then why not be agile enough to defeat Naruto in close combat? Really, since when do we see a Naruto character running side by side fighting each other ?

Kimimaro was extreemly agile and look how he was able to dispatch of 1000 Kyuubi clones without being scratched or even exerting himself at all. Just throw Ed in there and he could do the same with his automail or just do something with Alchemy. You do have to take into account Ed's intelligence, he'd probably come up with a good strategy.

[Marsala]

The best example of two Narutoverse characters fighting together at high speed that comes to mind is Kakashi's mini-duel with the Ugly Stone-nin in Chapter 3 of the Gaiden; as they bounce up trees, their weapons clash and parry each other. It's true that Narutoverse ninjas don't seem to be quite as fast in their arm and leg movements as they are in pure running - witness Rock Lee running circles around Gaara but only putting one punch in at a time, unlike say Ranma with his Amaguriken 100-punches-that-look-like-one technique - but they are still too far above peak humans like Ed and Scar to be beaten in a straight fight. With his Kyuubi boost and the Rasengan, Naruto will be too fast, too strong and too deadly for Ed to take in a straight fight. At best, Ed can use alchemy to try to stay one step ahead of Naruto as he did with Scar, but it's only a matter of time before Naruto's superior speed, strength and ability to make a bazillion copies of himself overwhelm Ed.

[Code]

There's a limit to how much he can copy himself... and Ed can take a lot of hits. But he's very agile and fast. And well if you saw that picture above with him sending Scar, who was blocking, flying back with a kick, he isn't that weak.

While Kakashi and that stone nin were fighting while jumping and using that jump to jump to the other side and fighting like that.

We see Ed and even the ninja fight like that by simply running across walls and up it and still do alchemy and "taijutsu" in the process. (Note: As mentioned before, "narutoverse ninjas" require use of chakra to run up something).

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ yea and naruto has a crapload ofcharka as well.. plus FMA is done ( well until the moive or what not) and naruto is still ongoing and getting stronger as we speak. Plus did u read the manga fight naruto vs saskue and see the speed in those chapters? faster than FMA's.

Close range combat Ed would be at a disadvantage because he has to worrie about Clones, and replacement technique etc. ONe hit with rasengan and the rest of Ed's body will have to be turned into metal..

In the end Naruto is more powerful than ed etc. Plus naruto KEEPS growing so naruto has him hands down no buts about it.

plus his alchemy gets freaking screwd if he gets one of his arms hurt then he has to draw the circles witch takes time.

[Code]

^ yea and naruto has a crapload ofcharka as well.. plus FMA is done ( well until the moive or what not) and naruto is still ongoing and getting stronger as we speak. Plus did u read the manga fight naruto vs saskue and see the speed in those chapters? faster than FMA's.

Close range combat Ed would be at a disadvantage because he has to worrie about Clones, and replacement technique etc. ONe hit with rasengan and the rest of Ed's body will have to be turned into metal..

In the end Naruto is more powerful than ed etc. Plus naruto KEEPS growing so naruto has him hands down no buts about it.

plus his alchemy gets freaking screwd if he gets one of his arms hurt then he has to draw the circles witch takes time.
Well I'm going by manga FMA as it's more reliable as manga Naruto is more reliable than anime... and did you read FMA? And it is still ongoing and they are getting stronger (though they're strong enough).

Ed can dispatch of the clones has eveyroen in Naruto has done so far. He as agile as all the others who have done it.

Naruto is more powerful? Alchemy is an extremely powerful tool. He can still do alchemy if he's hurt as he's done many times before... not unless Naruto manages to rip off a metal arm... (like tearing a kunai which ahsa yet to be done...).

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ ye ahe can dispatch them but naruto can use the clones for a surprise attack or what not to get him off guard thats what i am talking about the clones for.

FMA manga is coming to an end sooner than naruto is. and the development in their STR in FMA manga is not that surprising as to Naruto's.
that metal arm can some off pretty easily from one of those kybui arms that we seen :) and yes naruto is more powerful since he has the kybuii in him .. seriously i just think hes at a big dissadvantage when u stack him up against naruto.

[Code]

^ ye ahe can dispatch them but naruto can use the clones for a surprise attack or what not to get him off guard thats what i am talking about the clones for.

FMA manga is coming to an end sooner than naruto is. and the development in their STR in FMA manga is not that surprising as to Naruto's.
that metal arm can some off pretty easily from one of those kybui arms that we seen :) and yes naruto is more powerful since he has the kybuii in him .. seriously i just think hes at a big dissadvantage when u stack him up against naruto.
FMA manga isn't coming to an end soone rthan Naruto is... Kishimtoo has said before he wanted to start a new manga right?

While the FMA mangaka commented not too long ago that she wanted to keep FMA running for a while...

So really that was a baseless comment.

I don't think that Ed will be easily fooled by Naruto... I don't believe that he's overmatched in strength and I definitely dont' believe he's overmatched in intelligence. Well people view things different ways...

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ naruto is going ot be 250 episodes no more for the anime .. they need alot of content the manga is going ot be over 350 chapters and i forget how far is FMA into it?

[Code]

Full Metal Alchemist is only at 48 chapters but the chapters are more pages than Naruto chapters due to monthly releases... But who knows how long it'll gone on.

Naruto... well there's no confirmation of how long it'll be.

[Insipidipity]

Well if you take the current anime versions of both(that being the end of the FMA series and almost the end of Naruto part 1), you'd know exactly why edward would lose this easily

[Paperclips]

A gimp with a fake arm and leg vs. the container of the Kyubi. Fully dead Alchemist.

WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!? ED IS AMAZING!?!? HE IS NOT A GIMP AND I SWEAR IF YOU EVER SAY THAT AGAIN YOU WILL GET YOUR ASS FLAMED OFF BY HIS ARMY OF FANGIRLS. YOU JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE YOU DON"T HAVE FANGIRLS AND HE DOES. well...anyway...*cough*...Ed definately wins.

naruto can run out of chakra and ed can keep going and going and going.... he's like the freaking energizer bunny. only cuter.

^ naruto is going ot be 250 episodes no more for the anime .. they need alot of content the manga is going ot be over 350 chapters and i forget how far is FMA into it?

yes but in those 350 chapters, naruto has grown (ninjawize) about as much as ed had grown (alchemywize) in his 48 chapters. so ed is growing faster, and let's not forget about naruto's impaitience and temper which always costs him. and he couldn't call ed short because ed would be taller than him. ed is 5 foot 5 and naruto is 4 foot 11.

You forget the principle of equivalence. He can only reshape/fix things, he can't change matter(because he doesn't know about atomic structure so he can't move subatomic particles ) Plus, he's NOT faster than a bullet. He's a normal person except he has alchemy instead of technology

...and YOU ,my friend, need a life. Quickly. PLus, if he can turn culm into gold, make water pipes appear out of nowhere, and be that incredably hot, i think he'll do fine. even thought the hotness has nothing to do with it.

[Gooba]

Well if you take the current anime versions of both(that being the end of the FMA series and almost the end of Naruto part 1), you'd know exactly why edward would lose this easilyAgreed, except the anime versions of them don't matter, and the anime Ed is way slower than he is in the manga. That is like saying if you take Naruto from 133 and have him fight Flash without his powers, Naruto wins, therefore Naruto>Flash with his powers.

I agree with Code completely here. I think the main problem is that a lot of people are only familiar with the anime, which makes FMA people seem like phyically fit humans, not the superhumans they are.

[Insipidipity]

Well its never been declared whether this is anime or manga. So I took the version that I was familiar with and theres nothing really stating that it can't be(yes I know that theres nothing that says its to the contrary either), thus I don't think we really have any basis to judge until its been made more explicit.

[Gooba]

The thread creator did mention the FMA manga, so it is most likely he meant it. Plus in every debate about manga/anime characters, only the manga version is used for debates. Look at how badly chewed out people get when they use anime references in the Naruto Battledome.

[Insipidipity]

The thread creator did mention the FMA manga, so it is most likely he meant it. Plus in every debate about manga/anime characters, only the manga version is used for debates. Look at how badly chewed out people get when they use anime references in the Naruto Battledome.
Meh, thats some people. Besides, people in there seem obsessed with some contrived idea of canon yet still argue Sandaime vs. Itachi. Kinda sad really...

[General Shino]

it depends...

In Naruto Naruto would win..

in FMA Edward will win...

simple... an character advantage...

[Ssj3_Goku]

Even if we take the manga only Naruto would still win.. Do u peeps read the manga? i do.

[Code]

Even if we take the manga only Naruto would still win.. Do u peeps read the manga? i do.
I do read the manga of both... I think Ed will win and well some people will think Naruto will win...

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ k. i dont want to argue on this thread even though the winner is plain as day. But whatever floats ur boat.

[Jeltz]

^ k. i dont want to argue on this thread even though the winner is plain as day. But whatever floats ur boat.

Yep, the winner is plain as day - it's Edward Elric. :P

I still haven't read any convicing argument that explains why Naruto will win. At first I thought that Naruto would win but (in another thread in the battle dome) Code's posts have convinced me of the superior speed and agility of the Alchemists.

I too read the manga of both.

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ and a big nine tail fox with a crap load of power and amazing speed and agility means nothing to no one..... rightttttt.. Now people are going to say ed can kill kyubii LOL! plus who can regenerate themselves? yea naruto can poor ed cannot.

The speed in naruto manga is faster than the speed in FMA why do i say this? look at rock lee's character or look at the naruto Vs saskue fight .

[UltraSynaptic SeizureNinja]

I'd have to go with Ed on this one.

He's just a far brighter bulb then Naruto is.

[Paperclips]

...and Ed's hotter. *shot*

[Ssj3_Goku]

I'd have to go with Ed on this one.

He's just a far brighter bulb then Naruto is.


yea and neji was allso a brighter bulb than naruto and we all knew what naruto did to him.

[Code]

Naruto pulled a main character no jutsu on his ass...

^ and a big nine tail fox with a crap load of power and amazing speed and agility means nothing to no one..... rightttttt.. Now people are going to say ed can kill kyubii LOL! plus who can regenerate themselves? yea naruto can poor ed cannot.

The speed in naruto manga is faster than the speed in FMA why do i say this? look at rock lee's character or look at the naruto Vs saskue fight .
There's a limit to how much chakra he can borrow from the 9 tails fox, look at the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight. And there's also the idea of attacking right away, Naruto doesn't take long to go Kyuubi anymore but Kyuubi can bring him back if he's someone crushed under something alchemized, or possibly had his head lopped off by some automail....

Consider Shikamaru. He has a 2.5 in speed. Then Tayuya has a 3.0 and Temari a 2.5. Then consider the matchup. Intelligence plays a big role.

Then look at Neji and all of his opponents. Agility and speed plays a big role.

Ed posses both of those. You are also underestimate what Ed can do with alchemy.

[Marsala]

Agreed, except the anime versions of them don't matter, and the anime Ed is way slower than he is in the manga. That is like saying if you take Naruto from 133 and have him fight Flash without his powers, Naruto wins, therefore Naruto>Flash with his powers.
Is there any direct evidence that Ed is far faster in the manga? Judging speed in a manga is extremely difficult since the pictures themselves cannot move, and pages showing the character in one position followed by a panel showing the same character considerably farther away may have just omitted the character's running there at a fast but not superhuman speed. Usually such examples are only evidence of superspeed if other characters completely fail to notice the character's motion. The only FMA character who can move faster than other characters can see is Bradley, and that's mostly his sword speed. Even real world swordsmen are capable of drawing swords at speeds that the eye cannot easily see.

In the Naruto manga we have lots of evidence of characters moving at totally superhuman speeds: Kakashi and Gai appearing behind Team 7 before they can even blink, Rock Lee's Flash-like blurring as he zips around Gaara, and Kyuubi Naruto's blitzing of Sasuke.

I agree with Code completely here. I think the main problem is that a lot of people are only familiar with the anime, which makes FMA people seem like phyically fit humans, not the superhumans they are.
I've read all of the FMA manga and seen only a handful of anime episodes, but I still think that the FMA alchemist and Homunculi characters are peak human. None of them are considered to be far, far above normal characters, while in Naruto even Genin can easily take out normal samurai like they are nothing in comparison.

[Takuza]

they can DODGE BULLETS. they are fast.

[Code]

I've read all of the FMA manga and seen only a handful of anime episodes, but I still think that the FMA alchemist and Homunculi characters are peak human. None of them are considered to be far, far above normal characters, while in Naruto even Genin can easily take out normal samurai like they are nothing in comparison.
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They were created using the philosopher's stone to be superior...

I'm sure any normal human can easily take someone like Greed and his body.
(Who was defeated by Bradley and chopped apart regardless Ling(a human) wasn't so far behind Bradley in skill in turn Ling put himself below Ran Fan who was caught off gaurd by Bradley for mistaking him as a "human" who she took a superior tone with).

Throwing aside the non-alchemist humans from Shins(who are basically extremely skilled to even be able to easily handle homunculus and show incredible skills yet Ed puts them below their master). It seems it's basically Alchemist > Non-Alchemist. You won't see a human who uses automatic guns (aside from the ones excluded above) match who can use alchemy often)

The Chimera were considered super-human. Yet look what happened to them.

They are considered to be far above normal characters. But not far above more main humans who use advanced technology...

They won't show them "dissapearing" when fighting someone of their skill level yet if it's against someone of far below them they'd just show them as easily breezing past them.

[Ssj3_Goku]

then i wonder what naruto would be called with kybuii.. hell call him the next super sayien times 9.

some people here are over estimating ed i mean yea hes cool and strong but look at the facts.

Naruto Can heal himself basically from any attack we have seen. He came back from near death.. CAn Ed do that? no one seriously blow to ed and he can pretty much be killed or so badly hurt he cannot do anything.

Naruto can summon 1 huge ass frog witch as the ability to shoot huge ass water things at u that cover over an entire forest . Can ed ? no.

NAruto has tremendous power and stanima because of kyubii . More than ED has that u can see plain as day.

Ed has too much stacked against him and like i said naruto did not even so what he can do to his fulliest in part 2 yet.


Seriously people Ed is good but naruto has Advantages that Ed does not.

[Raistlin-sama]

Code have convinced me that Ed takes this... And to some people, please remember that Naruto is not the same as Kyuubi, so it dosen't matter that Ed obviously can't defeat a demon...

[Marsala]

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They were created using the philosopher's stone to be superior...

I'm sure any normal human can easily take someone like Greed and his body.
(Who was defeated by Bradley and chopped apart regardless Ling(a human) wasn't so far behind Bradley in skill in turn Ling put himself below Ran Fan who was caught off gaurd by Bradley for mistaking him as a "human" who she took a superior tone with).
When I say "normal human" I'm actually referring to comic book human characters like Batman and Captain America, both of whom are supposed to not have any abilities that a normal human couldn't get through enough training. If Batman had Ed's alchemical ability to alter what he touches, he could easily take Greed. Batman wouldn't have a chance against Naruto, though.

[Gooba]

Batman wouldn't have a chance against Naruto, though.Yet he can beat the Flash, Wonder Woman, and Superman... interesting.

[Code]

When I say "normal human" I'm actually referring to comic book human characters like Batman and Captain America, both of whom are supposed to not have any abilities that a normal human couldn't get through enough training. If Batman had Ed's alchemical ability to alter what he touches, he could easily take Greed. Batman wouldn't have a chance against Naruto, though.
So you are saying Batman won't have a chance against Naruto?

...

Well anyways.

Against Kimimaro, he was said to have an indestructible body, his attack in non-CS form that dispatched of 1000 Naruto clones had enough density as steel. Would Kyuubi Naruto have been able to tear that apart?

Here's when a creature created to tear and rip apart metal fights Ed.
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Shatters on Ed's automail...
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Ed even cracks some of those teeths that can rip through iron with a simple kick.

Just to add to that, next chapter we see a guy attacking him with a rapier and it just breaks as Ed easily blocks it with his automail. Ed's automail won't be as easy to break as you think "if he has 1 arm he won't be able to use alchemy" and I'm sure winry makes it better each time she replaces it. This was from the first chapter.

Naruto has something big?

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Ed will then fight with something big too...
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He could probably alchemize something bigger.

[Marsala]

So you are saying Batman won't have a chance against Naruto?

...

Of course Batman wouldn't. Naruto can move faster than he can see, is far stronger, and can instantly materialize extra bodies to aid in attack and defense. Kyuubi Naruto can hurl himself headlong into a canyon wall, leaving a sizable crater, without any injury. Spider-Man vs. Kyuubi Naruto in taijutsu only is close to a fair fight. Batman vs. Kyuubi Naruto (a form Naruto can now access at will) is a slaughter.

Well anyways.

Against Kimimaro, he was said to have an indestructible body, his attack in non-CS form that dispatched of 1000 Naruto clones had enough density as steel. Would Kyuubi Naruto have been able to tear that apart?

Here's when a creature created to tear and rip apart metal fights Ed.
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Shatters on Ed's automail...
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Ed even cracks some of those teeths that can rip through iron with a simple kick.

Just to add to that, next chapter we see a guy attacking him with a rapier and it just breaks as Ed easily blocks it with his automail. Ed's automail won't be as easy to break as you think "if he has 1 arm he won't be able to use alchemy" and I'm sure winry makes it better each time she replaces it. This was from the first chapter.
Okay, so Naruto won't be able to damage Ed's automail parts with anything less than the Rasengan. That doesn't protect Ed's head and torso, which is where Naruto will be aiming anyway.

Naruto has something big?

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Ed will then fight with something big too...
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He could probably alchemize something bigger.
Ed's constructs don't move when Ed is not actively transmuting them. Naruto's reflexes are enough to keep him out of the way of them, and frankly not even the dam that Izumi created approaches the size and power of Gamabunta.

[Takuza]

#1 ok, ED CAN DODGE BULLETs. that means he would kill naruto before naruto could blink. I doubt that normal Naruto is STRONGER ( as in lifting ) than Ed. Kyubi naruto might be, but...Naruto would be dead before he got the chance to go Kyubi. I also dout that a weak rasengaen attack could break automail........>.>, and even if it could, ed traps naruto into a round air tight dome, naruto breaks out with rasengean, but alchemy doesn't use energy, while ninjustu does, so ed continues to do this until naruto has no more charaka left, ans sufficates. please, all you people that voted naruto, please adress the speed issue. also, I think that Code did a very good job contering the " giant frog " agruement.And as for the "Kage Bushin" agruement ed uses his bullet dodging speed to kill them all in an instant. sooo...unless Naruto starts out Kyubi, he can't when, if he does start out Kyubi, ed is still to fast and lNaruto loses.

#2 BATMAN WOULD OWN NARUTO! batman has deafted superman 3 times. superman flys around the planet so fast that it turns back time. He also had a full prof plan to defeat every member of the Justice league. you might conter this by saying that he had time to plan then. Batman has done plenty of amazingly smart things on the spot ( none of witch come to mind at the moment )

[Code]

Of course Batman wouldn't. Naruto can move faster than he can see, is far stronger, and can instantly materialize extra bodies to aid in attack and defense. Kyuubi Naruto can hurl himself headlong into a canyon wall, leaving a sizable crater, without any injury. Spider-Man vs. Kyuubi Naruto in taijutsu only is close to a fair fight. Batman vs. Kyuubi Naruto (a form Naruto can now access at will) is a slaughter.

...

I haven't read a lot of Batman but I'm sure he has faced faster people. Spiderman would destroy Kyuubi Naruto...


Okay, so Naruto won't be able to damage Ed's automail parts with anything less than the Rasengan. That doesn't protect Ed's head and torso, which is where Naruto will be aiming anyway.

And where Ed will be protecting with his speed.


Ed's constructs don't move when Ed is not actively transmuting them. Naruto's reflexes are enough to keep him out of the way of them, and frankly not even the dam that Izumi created approaches the size and power of Gamabunta.
It all depends on if Ed will allow Naruto summon Gamabunta. If anything I believe that summon takes longer than any of Narutos other jutsus (in which Kiba is fast enough to put a stop to... though of course that was non-Kyuubi Naruto). Has there been anything indicating Ed not able to alchemize something bigger? Just like with Gamabunta (who will not face Ed who is quite short...), he only calls it when the enemy is big enough. Ed doesn't have a reason to make something big if there is no reason.

And also about the "human" thing.

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Alchemists are regarded highly. "That ain't human." basically sums up the difference between non-highly trained humans like those from Shin and Alchemists. Ed and Al never shied away from someone with a gun(as everyone criminial in the train on that chapter had a gun, he even alchemized some right in front of their eyes, otherwise he'd just cut it apart with his automail).

[Gooba]

I haven't read a lot of Batman but I'm sure he has faced faster people. Spiderman would destroy Kyuubi Naruto... He beat the Flash, so yes, he has faced faster people.

People in FMA have run up surfaces using pure speed, which is better than Naruto nins. You say that telling speed is hard in a manga, but that is definite proof based on physics, not appearance.

[Insipidipity]

actually when they began the tree walking, they got pretty far without controlling their chakra at their feet. They did it mostly with pure speed.

Plus when Kyubi Naruto ran past the log sasuke threw, IT CAUGHT ON FRIGGIN FIRE! Do you know how fast you have to run to do that? Lemme try to estimate. First the log was thrown in his direction, so theres virtually no normal force to multiply by the coefficient of friction to create a force. Secondly, the force of friction times the distance travelled has to equal the number of joules to raise a large piece of wood at room temperature to 451 degrees farenheit. Thats an insane amount of speed.

And "that ain't human" refers to the differences in ABILITY not speed between alchemists and non-alchemists. Ninjas were trained from a young age to fight. On the other hand, Edward grew up as a NORMAL kid. He's never received any sort of training.

[Code]

actually when they began the tree walking, they got pretty far without controlling their chakra at their feet. They did it mostly with pure speed.

Plus when Kyubi Naruto ran past the log sasuke threw, IT CAUGHT ON FRIGGIN FIRE! Do you know how fast you have to run to do that?
I don't remember Naruto causing fire by running across something. (Though we haven't seen anybody run across logs in FMA ... nonetheless logs that are thrown causing more friction to occur if someone were to run across it, even humans can rub two twigs together going in opposite direction and cause it to set fire).

Also, if Naruto were to come close to Ed in close quarter combat. Ed can simply destroy him beyond healing with a touch.
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[Insipidipity]

Ok, I edited my post, but it was when he was fighting Sasuke in his first Kyubi mode. He ran at him and sasuke threw a log at him. Secondly, if you read my corollary, its almost irrelevant the speed it was thrown since the speed required to set it on fire when theres no force pushing the log against his skin would have to be insanely high.

[Marsala]

He beat the Flash, so yes, he has faced faster people.
When did Batman ever beat Flash in a fair fight? The Flash moves at the speed of light and can run seven times around the world before Batman can blink. Likewise Batman only beats Superman by taking advantage of Kryptonite. Batman would have no chance in a purely hand-to-hand fight against the superhuman Spider-Man, and Spider-Man is merely average in the Naruto universe. Jiroubou is stronger than him, Rock Lee is faster than him, and Kyuubi Naruto is arguably both.

People in FMA have run up surfaces using pure speed, which is better than Naruto nins. You say that telling speed is hard in a manga, but that is definite proof based on physics, not appearance.
Running up vertical surfaces in FMA is only done by the use of other things to maintain a grip. For instance Ed used a pipe when running up a wall against Scar, and Bradley used rivets as footholds to run up a chimney when attacking Lan Fan (you can tell by the bottom panel of the 2nd-to-last page of Chapter 44; the foothold has a "scuff" on it to show that Bradley's foot was just there). This is theoretically possible for a human to do in the real world. Crossing a room and appearing behind someone without visible movement is not.
Also, if Naruto were to come close to Ed in close quarter combat. Ed can simply destroy him beyond healing with a touch.
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This is true, but Ed has to set up his power of destruction first. In the same amount of time, Naruto can set up the Rasengan which does the same amount of damage but has a longer reach since it hovers slightly above Naruto's palm. And 15-year-old Naruto is taller with a longer reach than Ed anyway.

[Takuza]

spiderman is NOT AVERAGE in the Naruot world. go read the "spiderman vs spider sound ninja" thread.

[Marsala]

spiderman is NOT AVERAGE in the Naruot world. go read the "spiderman vs spider sound ninja" thread.
I just read it, and frankly you guys overestimate Spider-Man way, way too much. Sure, he can lift 15 tons maximum, but that's nothing compared to Jiroubou who lifted that huge boulder (weight unknown but I'm estimating it had to be at least 10 tons) and threw it at Team Shikamaru without his curse seal. With his seal at Level 2 making him ten times as strong, Jiroubou lifted the mountain-sized Chouji with one arm and threw him into the air. And Jiroubou is the weakest of the Sound Four.

[Code]

Running up vertical surfaces in FMA is only done by the use of other things to maintain a grip. For instance Ed used a pipe when running up a wall against Scar, and Bradley used rivets as footholds to run up a chimney when attacking Lan Fan (you can tell by the bottom panel of the 2nd-to-last page of Chapter 44; the foothold has a "scuff" on it to show that Bradley's foot was just there). This is theoretically possible for a human to do in the real world. Crossing a room and appearing behind someone without visible movement is not.
Well it is possible he used those rivets but he doesn't seem to be on any in the page he was right near Ran Fan as it is in the gap between his foots. There's also the fact that he's in a nearly horizontal position and leaning forward. But do you think a human can do that? That thing was taller than building at least 30 foot tall (of which Ling just jumped off while carying someone on his back easily.) Appearing behind someone is not? I refer you to the Ed vs. Ninjas fight or Ninjas vs. Homunculus fight. Lots of "dissapearing" there.

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I do wonder what he gripped on...
Dissapear behind someone?

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Dissapear to another end of town in front of human eyes... (you can tell the distance later one when the grenade blows up it's quite far from where Ling is).

Ed is quite fast even by FMA standards (and he's gotten a lot faster since the beginning).

Here's the dog chimera guy shown to be quite fast.

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Then here's what Ed does to him.

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In the very beginning he was extremely slow and weak compared to Scar.

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Scar outclassing him in speed even though he's facing Al at the same time.

Note: Scar even while occupied with Armstrong and corned was still able to ddoge Hawkeye's bullets (and it was speed as Hawkeye says "fast" though the bullet did graze him he still dodged it) as he has did with about 10 of them when Hawkeye was right in front of him.

Now look at the latest chapters and Ed can match his strength and speed.




This is true, but Ed has to set up his power of destruction first. In the same amount of time, Naruto can set up the Rasengan which does the same amount of damage but has a longer reach since it hovers slightly above Naruto's palm. And 15-year-old Naruto is taller with a longer reach than Ed anyway.
Ed can create a long poll or whatever from his surroundings, if not near concrete then he'd just do his automail sword thing. And also... are you sure that Naruto is shorter than Ed?

[Marsala]

Well it is possible he used those rivets but he doesn't seem to be on any in the page he was right near Ran Fan as it is in the gap between his foots. There's also the fact that he's in a nearly horizontal position and leaning forward. But do you think a human can do that? That thing was taller than building at least 30 foot tall (of which Ling just jumped off while carying someone on his back easily.)
The "scuff" effect on the rivet is proof that Bradley's foot was there a split second earlier, otherwise there would be no reason for its inclusion. Running up a thirty-foot pipe with tiny footholds like that is theoretically possible for a human in the real world, since it doesn't require faster speed than human muscles can generate.

Appearing behind someone is not? I refer you to the Ed vs. Ninjas fight or Ninjas vs. Homunculus fight. Lots of "dissapearing" there.

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I do wonder what he gripped on...
Okay, this is the most impressive feat, and it's a vertical leap of twenty feet or so onto an overhead sign. Impressive, but still not beyond the capabilities of Sasuke in the Wave Arc.

Dissapear behind someone?


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Dissapear to another end of town in front of human eyes... (you can tell the distance later one when the grenade blows up it's quite far from where Ling is).
They are running all over town as the battle takes place. The flashes at the beginning do not mean that they instantly teleported, just that they took off extremely fast, just as every ninja in Naruto has done since Chapter 1.

Ed is quite fast even by FMA standards (and he's gotten a lot faster since the beginning).

Here's the dog chimera guy shown to be quite fast.

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Then here's what Ed does to him.

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In the very beginning he was extremely slow and weak compared to Scar.

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Scar outclassing him in speed even though he's facing Al at the same time.

Note: Scar even while occupied with Armstrong and corned was still able to ddoge Hawkeye's bullets (and it was speed as Hawkeye says "fast" though the bullet did graze him he still dodged it) as he has did with about 10 of them when Hawkeye was right in front of him.

Now look at the latest chapters and Ed can match his strength and speed.

Ed is indeed fast, and in the real world his reflexes and reactions would be thought of as superhuman. Ed is like Captain America and Daredevil, who are supposed to not have any superpowers (excluding senses in DD's case) but still do things beyond any Olympic athlete. But they still can't move nearly as fast as Rock Lee and Kyuubi Naruto, who cannot be seen by normal vision. When Rock Lee opens the Initial Gate, he appears to be just a circular trail of dust like the Roadrunner. Ed and Scar move faster than most humans can react, hence Scar's apparent bullet-dodging. Scar noticed that Hawkeye was drawing a bead on him and moved in time to get out of the path of the bullet.


Ed can create a long poll or whatever from his surroundings, if not near concrete then he'd just do his automail sword thing. And also... are you sure that Naruto is shorter than Ed?
I brought up the Rasengan and the issue of reach to counter Ed's touch of destruction. Naruto can create kage bunshin and henge himself into any weapon he can imagine. On the height issue... it's just a guess, but Naruto now ought to be at least an inch or two taller, judging by how close he is to Kakashi.

[Paperclips]

Naruto can summon 1 huge ass frog witch as the ability to shoot huge ass water things at u that cover over an entire forest . Can ed ? no.

Are we forgetting episode 2 where Ed did the thing with the sun god statue. that thing was huuuuuge. Ed can make very large items and crush people with them. just like in the phantom theif where he made the hand come out of the water to catch psiren.

and in a fight Naruto would probably end up using kage bunshin no justsu or the from thing which uses up all his chakra. and ed could just make a giant cage around the frog. and naruto isn't intelligent to use Ninja centerfold against Ed which would probably be the only effictive move because as we saw in 'the phantom theif' ed is easily...erm...'distracted' *cough*


***and ed is in fact taller. he is 165cenemeters which is 5 foot 5 and naruto is 4 foot 11.

[Takuza]

Naruto is not rock lee, he is not near as fast as rock lee. To add to my agruement, all ed has to do is be able to TOUCH naruto, and from that , ed would be cappable of blowing Naruto up. if you add this to al the other things I, code,and everyone else has said......

Naruto has no chance.

[Paperclips]

THANK YOU 606. these people don't stand a chance in this argument. i was stupid to even compare Ed with Naruto.

[Insipidipity]

Technically he needs knowledge, both of what he's touching and what he wants to make. He probably doens't even know what Naruto's clothes are made of so he can't transmute them. Plus if he aims for something he has to transmute that because he can only transmute what he's thinking of. Notice theres plenty of times when he should've been able to transmute by touch but couldn't.

Not to mention he can't transmute chakra, which Naruto can attack with. He probably can't even transmute Kage bunshins because he really has no idea what they're made of, and he'd have to go through all of them to find naruto. Even if he had Kimimaro's skill(which he doesn't, Kimimaro is a high level taijutsu user, he doesn't waste a single movement) he'd still take a while to fight that many.

[Code]

The "scuff" effect on the rivet is proof that Bradley's foot was there a split second earlier, otherwise there would be no reason for its inclusion. Running up a thirty-foot pipe with tiny footholds like that is theoretically possible for a human in the real world, since it doesn't require faster speed than human muscles can generate.

I don't think it's as easy as you think...


Okay, this is the most impressive feat, and it's a vertical leap of twenty feet or so onto an overhead sign. Impressive, but still not beyond the capabilities of Sasuke in the Wave Arc.

I'd say it is and it was simply a regular jump for the ninja...


They are running all over town as the battle takes place. The flashes at the beginning do not mean that they instantly teleported, just that they took off extremely fast, just as every ninja in Naruto has done since Chapter 1.

Look at the first page. They were right in front of where the people who said "There they go" are. Then dust affects show that they just arrived there as the people noticed they were gone from that effect.

Ed is indeed fast, and in the real world his reflexes and reactions would be thought of as superhuman. Ed is like Captain America and Daredevil, who are supposed to not have any superpowers (excluding senses in DD's case) but still do things beyond any Olympic athlete. But they still can't move nearly as fast as Rock Lee and Kyuubi Naruto, who cannot be seen by normal vision. When Rock Lee opens the Initial Gate, he appears to be just a circular trail of dust like the Roadrunner. Ed and Scar move faster than most humans can react, hence Scar's apparent bullet-dodging. Scar noticed that Hawkeye was drawing a bead on him and moved in time to get out of the path of the bullet.

That's still a difficult feat to do. And also you may also want to look at what hawkeye did before when she got up close and pointed 2 guns and Scar dodged about 5+ bullets or so from close range with ease. I'd say that the standards of FMA is above standards of the real world. In the beginning Ed was much slower than Scar. But right now he's able to match him. Do you think that regular olympic class athletes can continiusly dodge bullets? Or have enough speed to run across a wall horizontally?


I brought up the Rasengan and the issue of reach to counter Ed's touch of destruction. Naruto can create kage bunshin and henge himself into any weapon he can imagine. On the height issue... it's just a guess, but Naruto now ought to be at least an inch or two taller, judging by how close he is to Kakashi.
Well that's assuming that Ed is stupid and would be tricked by Naruto and that he's slower.

I'm sure Ed who has studied vigoriously to create a human, knows what the human body is made off. He is an alchemist, a genius one at that. He should be an expert of what things in the world is made out of. That includes the thing he studied the most as a child.

[Inuyashamish]

ed would be able to alch all of the kunais and weapons thrown at him, so i think he would beat naruto. naruto may also be scared of his handblade.

[Insipidipity]

ed would be able to alch all of the kunais and weapons thrown at him, so i think he would beat naruto. naruto may also be scared of his handblade.
Thats ridiculous. He'd have to clap and put both hands on about half a dozen kunais coming at him at ridiculous speeds. Thats more ridiculous than saying he can dodge bullets. Naruto scared of handblade? He charged in after Zabuza with his Kage Bunshins. Much bigger blade, virtually 0 fear.

[Code]

Thats ridiculous. He'd have to clap and put both hands on about half a dozen kunais coming at him at ridiculous speeds. Thats more ridiculous than saying he can dodge bullets. Naruto scared of handblade? He charged in after Zabuza with his Kage Bunshins. Much bigger blade, virtually 0 fear.
He can dodge bullets and he can also handle someone who can dodge many bullets at one time... Also saying he'd have to clap his hands and dozen kunais coming at him? Look at the time he oblitereated the armor who he said is much faster than the dog chimera. The armor tried to stop him saying he won't give him a time to use alchemy, next thing he knows he's blasted apart.

He was also able to use alchemy many times against the ninjas from Shin.

We have yet to see Ed have a limit to how large he can make something. One time he tried to create a bridge across something at least 20+ meters long (tried as in it was too heavy and collapsed due to the fact that there was nothing supporting it). His master was able to create a blockade large enough and strong enough to stop the flow of a river.

[Inuyashamish]

zabuza had an actual sword, not a blade coming out of his metal arm, and ed could just make a wall in front of him if he didnt have time to alch each of the kunais.

[Insipidipity]

Theres a difference between dodging and transmuting. Transmuting requires about the same amount of skill at catching. I can dodge a crossbow being fired at me, but I'll be damned if I can catch it.

Also: Giant blades are scarier than an arm turned into a knife.

[Code]

There's also the fact that Ed can recreate something like Kimimaro's Dance of the Seedling ferns... I do wonder if Naruto can use his flying abilities here. (He's showed a miniature version when fighting Greed.)

[Insipidipity]

Theres also the fact that Dance of the Seedling ferns is made out of super hard bones, Ed making them out of mud, brick, concrete just doesn't cut it.

[Inuyashamish]

it depeneds where they r fighting also, there may be some metal objects, or some hard rock around also.

[Insipidipity]

The question is whether or not he'll be able to find enough of it and know exactly what it is. Not to mention Naruto could pull what he did against Sasuke and use his tail to cling to a wall.

I'll admit that Edward is faster if he runs on ice and melts it, or lights something on fire that isn't a match just by running past it.

[Code]

Theres also the fact that Dance of the Seedling ferns is made out of super hard bones, Ed making them out of mud, brick, concrete just doesn't cut it.
Well then as already said by Inuyashmish. He can create something similar out of whatever substance is around him. He's not stupid, heck he was able to create some intercom thing in a train relatively easy and that requires a lot more concetration and knowledge than something like a simple elemental attack or formation.

[Insipidipity]

And do you expect this pseudo Dance of the seedling fern to be effective against Gamabunta and his water cannon?

[Inuyashamish]

if ed can find a big enough piece of hard material, i think he could trap gamabunta in, just like the fat sound ninja who fought chouji did.

[Insipidipity]

you're comparing the boss summon of the 4th hokage and one of the Sannin to Chouji...you've got to be kidding me.

[Code]

And do you expect this pseudo Dance of the seedling fern to be effective against Gamabunta and his water cannon?
Do you expect Gamabunta to fight someone so tiny?

Well if he happens to have some metal near him... say a bunch of kunais magically appear then he can use that and well... just impale Gamabunta with 1 huge spike... (though chances of that happening...).

Well if he knows there's a water source near by, he can easily alter the landscape so that it opens up near Gama. He should also be able to create a shiled to block his attack possibly. His teacher was able to effortlessly stop the flow of an entire raging river...

There's also the fact that he should be able to do anything Gaara did in the same landscape. (Though of course not by just standing there) and use that against Naruto.

[Insipidipity]

Except he's got no chakra flowing through it so its just really moving dirt. On the other hand, Naruto's gigantic chakra claws would tear through it just like it tore through under the dirt to grab Sasuke.

[Code]

Except he's got no chakra flowing through it so its just really moving dirt. On the other hand, Naruto's gigantic chakra claws would tear through it just like it tore through under the dirt to grab Sasuke.
He doesn't need chakra. He can still condense it. He rearranges the structure of whatever he touches to what he needs. He can make it as effective as Gaara.

[Marsala]

I don't think it's as easy as you think...
I'm not saying that I, or anyone else on Earth, could do it, but it is theoretically possible. Narutoverse speed feats like three Jounin jumping from outside the Chuunin prelim arena to intercept Neji's charge against Hinata are not possible.

I'd say it is and it was simply a regular jump for the ninja...
If it were a regular jump, he'd have been moving like that all of the time. It was his best leap that he did to avoid a grenade.

Look at the first page. They were right in front of where the people who said "There they go" are. Then dust affects show that they just arrived there as the people noticed they were gone from that effect.

This is an example of how difficult it is to judge speed in manga properly. There are many scenes of Narutoverse ninjas taking off in a flash and the next frame shows them quite far away. We can't use these to measure their speed because we don't know how much time has passed. Ed, Al and the ninjas took off and ran across the square very fast, disappearing in a matter of seconds. They still aren't much more than 100 meters away, which is not beyond human capability to run.

That's still a difficult feat to do. And also you may also want to look at what hawkeye did before when she got up close and pointed 2 guns and Scar dodged about 5+ bullets or so from close range with ease. I'd say that the standards of FMA is above standards of the real world. In the beginning Ed was much slower than Scar. But right now he's able to match him. Do you think that regular olympic class athletes can continiusly dodge bullets? Or have enough speed to run across a wall horizontally?
Olympic class athletes wouldn't be able to, but fictional "peak humans" like Batman and Daredevil can, and they are really outclassed by Narutoverse ninjas.

Well that's assuming that Ed is stupid and would be tricked by Naruto and that he's slower.

I'm sure Ed who has studied vigoriously to create a human, knows what the human body is made off. He is an alchemist, a genius one at that. He should be an expert of what things in the world is made out of. That includes the thing he studied the most as a child.
? I'm not suggesting that Naruto could trick Ed into using the wrong type of destruction energy, just that Naruto can make any type of weapon he wishes by transforming a kage bunshin into one.

[Paperclips]

i reeeeeaaaly need to leave this thread. waaaay to many people insulting ed;s honor. i'm scared i might kill someone....although it would be fun... just kidding. but i seirioulsy have to go before i explode.

[Marsala]

i reeeeeaaaly need to leave this thread. waaaay to many people insulting ed;s honor. i'm scared i might kill someone....although it would be fun... just kidding. but i seirioulsy have to go before i explode.
It's not that Ed is weak; he's one of his universe's best fighters. He just doesn't match up well against fighters from other universes with more ridiculous powers. In the same way, Naruto would probably lose to One Piece's Luffy, who is unbelievably strong and durable but would still lose to Superman, who would himself lose to Goku from the end of DBZ.

[Code]

It's not that Ed is weak; he's one of his universe's best fighters. He just doesn't match up well against fighters from other universes with more ridiculous powers. In the same way, Naruto would probably lose to One Piece's Luffy, who is unbelievably strong and durable but would still lose to Superman, who would himself lose to Goku from the end of DBZ.
I'd say it's not really that, it's rather how you view things... You can simply say "oh here they dissapeared so they are faster" or "they are meant to be humans because I said so" "they are ninjas" (same can go for what I've been saying also ... I guess... can't think of one now <- partially sarcastic). It's simply how you view it...

I've already stated my opinion many times and restated my point (I would respond to your above post but I'd simply be restating what I said when you replied to it.

[Ssj3_Goku]

CAn Ed regerate and heal himself? No.. NAruto can + for naruto

Can ed create multiple copies of him self to trick or fool the oppenent and do many other things with shadow clones? no naruto can.

Also does eD have a powerful chakra surrounding him ? no Naruto does in Kybuii Lvl 2 witch can protect him from fire attacks and what not.

CAn ED powerup and make himself even more powerfull/ Faster than he was before? No naruto can and so far we seen 2 lvls of it and their is still more to come :) just that naruto's body before the time skip could not handle it.

Plus gamabunta can ed summon that? no. Gama can use Oil while naruto does a fire attack and BAAM look what we got a huge forest fire ( yea i know jiriya did that move but since naruto can summon gama i am sure he can do it to *aka after time skip*)

Plus can ED use a replecation justsu to save his ass when he needs to? No but naruto can.

Can Ed HEnge into anything he wants? well he can change stuff but requires his 2 hands to do so or a cricle . Naruto needs a clone or himself to do it so righ ttheir naruto has an advantage because of the clones.

Power/ Stanima who has more? Naruto thx to that great Fox inside him :)

Sorry just so much stack against ED he would lose. Plus about genious Naruto Beat Neji so yea dont need to worrie abou the smarts in this situation.

I love FMA just as much as the next guy but when i can see who would win as clear as day *naruto* i will pick that choice.

Now For my avatar name now that guy is still the most powerful anime character their is up to this date :) 000 my beloved goku :) unless at the end of naruto with all this power going around i might change my mind but not now.

[sik4rilz]

nope...naruto wins...ed cant do too much with alchemy..but its kool when he claps..lol..

[Marsala]

I'd say it's not really that, it's rather how you view things... You can simply say "oh here they dissapeared so they are faster" or "they are meant to be humans because I said so" "they are ninjas" (same can go for what I've been saying also ... I guess... can't think of one now <- partially sarcastic). It's simply how you view it...

I've already stated my opinion many times and restated my point (I would respond to your above post but I'd simply be restating what I said when you replied to it.
Yeah, there's no good way to resolve differences of interpretation like this, especially when the depiction of speed in manga is so inconsistent. In reality, there isn't any true speed that the characters move at. We have to make subjective judgements on what is "real" and what is artistic license, based on all of the characters' feats considered as a whole and compared to characters that are supposed to be "normal" humans, i.e. Maes Hughes and Inari. With the same set of evidence, it's possible to concoct two completely different interpretations that seem to have almost equal validity. So, whatever. :huh

[ZeonNoMamono]

They team up and take over the world, showing how muich blonde short guys own. (Such as Gash Bell, for example. But he actually aint that strong...)

[lekki]

If Ed wanted to kill, he could simply turn to using alchemy the way Scar uses alchemy and blow Naruto's head off. In the same way, he would take out Gamabunta.
Ed is also good at martial arts and practices constantly with Al.

Ed can do large scale alchemy that can take out 1000 bunshins too so I don't know what you are talking about saying NAruto can beat ed.

[Paperclips]

THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. I can't say anything else or i'll get myself in trouble.

It's not that Ed is weak; he's one of his universe's best fighters. He just doesn't match up well against fighters from other universes with more ridiculous powers. In the same way, Naruto would probably lose to One Piece's Luffy, who is unbelievably strong and durable but would still lose to Superman, who would himself lose to Goku from the end of DBZ.

*grits teeth* *cringe* not......gonaa......kill...GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAH *destroys everyone*....oops

[Code]

Yeah, there's no good way to resolve differences of interpretation like this, especially when the depiction of speed in manga is so inconsistent. In reality, there isn't any true speed that the characters move at. We have to make subjective judgements on what is "real" and what is artistic license, based on all of the characters' feats considered as a whole and compared to characters that are supposed to be "normal" humans, i.e. Maes Hughes and Inari. With the same set of evidence, it's possible to concoct two completely different interpretations that seem to have almost equal validity. So, whatever. :huh
Yeah. Compare Hughes who is a "desk worker" to Inari. And well Hughes would take him out instantly with his knife throwing skills...

[Ssj3_Goku]

I posted the facts before ed has alot of disadvanages against him witch would make him lose. End of Story but still go on and dream ed fanboys :)

[Code]

You just posted what Ed doesn't have that Naruto does...

"Ed can't summon a frog, he loses!"

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ its an advantage...

[wolfman_120]

Great match but Edward would come out on top

[sik4rilz]

Great match but Edward would come out on top
give reason...there is none.. :P ...but seriously...he cant do too much...naruto can do all kinds of things...like if ed really beats the crap out of him then kyuubi will bust out and own him anyway...lol...and he can do kuchiyose and gamabunta would pwn him too...ed might be able to build a huge wall and block some things but a hand on hand fight naruto can do kawarimi and ed would still lose..lol.. :smile-big

[Code]

give reason...there is none.. :P ...but seriously...he cant do too much...naruto can do all kinds of things...like if ed really beats the crap out of him then kyuubi will bust out and own him anyway...lol...and he can do kuchiyose and gamabunta would pwn him too...ed might be able to build a huge wall and block some things but a hand on hand fight naruto can do kawarimi and ed would still lose..lol.. :smile-big
Well I thought I wouldn't say anythiong more but might as well.

Ed beats the crap out of him? He either attacks with his automail that will decapitate him, or with alchemy that will rearrange his chemical makeup...

Naruto does Kawamiri? Ed's speed will surpass that of Naruto's handseal making...

[Insipidipity]

I notice all this talk about how he can use alchemy to kill people directly and taking out 1000 Kage bunshins in one move yet I've yet to see him actually use this ability on his opponents. You gotta follow on things he's done and not just things that can be done with alchemy in general. Sure he's a genius, but that doesn't mean he knows everything. Notice when he fights the tiger that one preist created with the red stone, he makes a spear, he doesn't just use some special Kimimaro/Gaara ripoff attack.

[Code]

I notice all this talk about how he can use alchemy to kill people directly and taking out 1000 Kage bunshins in one move yet I've yet to see him actually use this ability on his opponents. You gotta follow on things he's done and not just things that can be done with alchemy in general. Sure he's a genius, but that doesn't mean he knows everything. Notice when he fights the tiger that one preist created with the red stone, he makes a spear, he doesn't just use some special Kimimaro/Gaara ripoff attack.
So against a small creature he'd go all out?

The fact is, he's also a lot better later on than early on in the series.

[Gipo]

How about Ed with the Philosophers Stone! No one said what either character can use, Kyuubi is basically a tool anyway.

Even with Kyuubi, Naruto will still lose to some of the Akatsuki, so he's not unbeatable. Alchemy is basically magic, don't think Naruto is a wizard who can block magic ;)

[Toffeeman]

I'd have to say Ed. The guy can transmutate pretty much anything. The only people who could possibly beat him are a) homonculi, or b) other alchemists..

[Insipidipity]

So against a small creature he'd go all out?

The fact is, he's also a lot better later on than early on in the series.
Why not? its not like he has limits like chakra...

[Code]

"Hmmm... Hello Al or anyone near me, I'm going to kill you just so I can do flashy stuff."

"Hmm... Hello, I'm also quite murderous, I always overkill everybody I meet."

[Insipidipity]

"Hmmm... Hello Al or anyone near me, I'm going to kill you just so I can do flashy stuff."

"Hmm... Hello, I'm also quite murderous, I always overkill everybody I meet."
When he fought that one beast that said it could break steel, he made a spear. He could've made a friggin desert funeral/dance of the seedling fern according to the way you describe his alchemy. Al wasnt there. Not to mention Al can't really get hurt, since he can alchemize him back to normal...

[Code]

When he fought that one beast that said it could break steel, he made a spear. He could've made a friggin desert funeral/dance of the seedling fern according to the way you describe his alchemy. Al wasnt there. Not to mention Al can't really get hurt, since he can alchemize him back to normal...
When he foudn out it could break steel (after the spear was torn apart) he defeated it with a kick...

Al can alchemize back to normal despite if the binding breaks he'd be dead?

[Paperclips]

End of Story but still go on and dream ed fanboys
#1 I'm a FANGIRL. AS IN FEMALE. SO STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK STUPID.
#2 Ed can so totally use alchemy to kill people if HE thinks it's necissary. not when the military tells him to.
#3 Whoever took one of my reps away, WHY?! THAT WAS A REAALY STUPID REASON.
#4 Are we forgetting how muuuuge things ed can do with his alchemy??!?! he can make giant objects move andc rush little ninjas.

[Blind Sandstorm]

#1 I'm a FANGIRL. AS IN FEMALE. SO STOP MAKING YOURSELF LOOK STUPID.
#2 Ed can so totally use alchemy to kill people if HE thinks it's necissary. not when the military tells him to.
#3 Whoever took one of my reps away, WHY?! THAT WAS A REAALY STUPID REASON.
#4 Are we forgetting how muuuuge things ed can do with his alchemy??!?! he can make giant objects move andc rush little ninjas.


I may be an Edward Elric fangirl but I gotta go along with this. It would be difficult for both sides since they have different advantages and different flaws. Also, alchemy and ninjutsu/genjutsu/taijutsu are completely different from each other considering that alchemy is considered scientific magic and ninjutsu is produced by the coil system of chakra inside of a persons body. Edward was able to become a State Alchemist at a pre-teen age, which is an obvious record, and he has his ambitions to back him up. Naruto also has ambition and arrogance to help him in anything and his has the Kyuubi to help him. Edward however is more strategic in his manuvers and what he does in a battle (unless someone calls him short) while Naruto fights like Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho; absolutely no strategy most of the time. However he develops one along the way, Edward has one to begin with and can just tweek it if it ends up dead. Edward has a slight advantage over Naruto in many ways (and the artificial limbs could be classified as such) and thus I back up the likely possibility of Naruto getting his butt whooped.

[sundis]

I'm not really a fan of Naruto; think he's pretty weak and only wins because of his status as the manga's protagonist.

But I really have a hard time seeing Ed beat anyone in the Naruto world. Actually forget Naruto, I have a hard time seeing Ed beat a small army, which is something Naruto could conjure using Kage bunshin.

How would Ed beat a couple thousand people weilding clubs? What could he possibly transmute that would stop an army? Guns? Cannons? We have that in the real world, and it's pretty self evident that those things cannot stop an entire army in any resonable amount of time. Turn the ground into quicksand? With that many people they can climb over one another. It only takes one person to restrain Ed's arm before his transmutations are shutdown. If Ed had his hand or automail removed how would he transmute anything? The only thing Ed can really do is defend himself with maybe a wall or something.

Ed could trip and hurt himself, while Naruto in the same situation is much more durable. A gun wound and Ed is in trouble, a gun wound for Naruto is less troublesome.

Ed to me just seems like someone a little stronger then a human being. Naruto characters however seem much more mystic.

[Paperclips]

Ed can make a giant giant wall around them... pull it inwards.. and crush them, he made the giant wwall in the other brothers elric so we know he can.

...and whoever keeps taking my rep points better stop it.

[tri-sapphire]

It's really hard to compare two characters from totally different worlds.

1. Speed

FMA:

Scar can move up a wall with good footing in less than a second, while dodging machine gun bullets.

Scar can't dodge Gluttony running straight at him in an obvious charge attack.

Ed doesn't get hit by machine gun rate bullets while running in the path of fire, and somehow makes it behind a pillar with no injuries.

Ed loses to a swordsman with speed nowhere near "disappear and reappear behind you" speed. He was fast, but his movements were still readable, and Ed couldn't find time to use alchemy to build a wall or something to the same effect.

Naruto:

Jounin, some chuunin, and a few exceptional genin move fatser than human sight can follow.

They get hit by thrown Kunai, yet the skill of the thrower probably plays a larger role in that.

2. Power

FMA:

Scar punches Gluttony through a stone wall with ease (don't recall if any alchemy was used). Scar grabs a guy off a speeding motorcyle without budging.

Could someone please catch anyting else for me? I only started watching FMA recently.

Naruto:

Not many power shows here, unless Gai, Lee, post-Sakura, or Tsunade is involved.

3. Fighting technique

FMA:

Trained in CQC. Ed has never once beaten Al. Alchemy (even Ed's) requires some time to perform, and isn't always that useful.

Naruto:

Trained in taijutsu. Ninjutsu is designed to be used in battle, unlike alchemy.



Anyways, I'd say that pre-skip Naruto loses, while post-skip prevails. The difference in speed and technique is just too great once jounin level is reached.

[HollowDreamer]

i say naruto would win he can regenerate freaken holes in his body and the kyuubi ed would start freaken out.

[Insipidipity]

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#4 Are we forgetting how muuuuge things ed can do with his alchemy??!?! he can make giant objects move andc rush little ninjas.
Are we forgetting how muuuuuuge things ed actually does with alchemy in battle? For all that he "can" do, he doesn't take advantage of a lot of it. Its because battlefields are different from playgrounds.

Ed is smarter, but Naruto is clever and his abilities were designed for battle.

[Blind Sandstorm]

I gotta back up my bud Paperclips here. Plz stop taking her points away, that's mean. Just because she doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you can make her look bad. Be honorable ppl.

[Ssj3_Goku]

^ ? she was acting like a fangirl this whole time basically. and saying she would get mad or kill people.. come on ..

[Feathers!]

Rasengan... lets stay on topic yall, Naruto is a ninja, he'll find a way to win... kage bushin no jutsu... ed is awesome but not particularly a great fighter, kyuchinnn no justsu... im pretty sure even sasuke could win this... katon fire dragon... my favorite jutsu.

but wouldnt all the transmutations just be walls and weapons?

[minnatrix]

I think Ed would win. He has too many advantages and people in FMA are too bulked up and some of the physics in it are totally unrealistic.

[Insipidipity]

I think Ed would win. He has too many advantages and people in FMA are too bulked up and some of the physics in it are totally unrealistic.
I totally agree, except replace FMA and Ed with Naruto.

[Paperclips]

^ ? she was acting like a fangirl this whole time basically. and saying she would get mad or kill people.. come on ..

HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVER HEARD OF SARCASM!?! while i did have my fangirl moments i also had the perfectly logical discussion! it's not my fault that i have to stick up for ed!

and ed can very possible do a variation of Gaara's 'Dessert Coffin' which would instantly kill naruto, but i would be sad.

[Insipidipity]

HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVER HEARD OF SARCASM!?! while i did have my fangirl moments i also had the perfectly logical discussion! it's not my fault that i have to stick up for ed!

and ed can very possible do a variation of Gaara's 'Dessert Coffin' which would instantly kill naruto, but i would be sad.
3 things:
1. Whoever thinks I'm taking rep points away from them is seriously mistaken...I really don't care that much...I'm almost sure its you because its a neutral rep point since you don't have a high enough reputation to actually affect my reputation.
2. The way you say "stick up for ed" makes you sound really really biased. This is a discussion of who would win. If Naruto would win, then he would win, theres no reason to stick up for the underdog in a discussion solely for being the underdog.
3. Ed COULD do that, but have you noticed he hasn't done that on a single person yet? Naruto COULD Kawarimi nonstop making it impossible for Ed to hit him or use his Kyubi level 2 with Rasengan and Gamabunta simultaneously and then make Tajuu Kage Bunshin, Henge into Alphonse and then henge Ed's arm into a flower, but he never has. Theres a difference between what they could do and what they would do. We're not arguing about the difference in the potency of alchemy and that of ninjutsu, we're discussing how 2 people would actually react and fight. What Ed would do in this fight is more than likely lose from the way we've seen both of them fight due to his lack of inhuman speed or techniques designed for fighting. The other alchemists have honed their abilities for one type of fighting or another such as fire or rocks or explosives, but Ed really tends to stick to simple weapons and shields that'd be useless against a Narutoverse Shinobi.

Edit: 4th thing, calm down. Its expected that there are negative rep whores floating around, but if you're a good poster with good thoughts, it'll even out.

[sundis]

I think Ed would win. He has too many advantages and people in FMA are too bulked up and some of the physics in it are totally unrealistic.

Well like Insipidipity said, I agree but replace FMA with Naruto.

Alot of times you can tell how strong someone is by just looking at their environment. Even in the real world it's true(usually, but not always)... take a person from the hamptons and make them fight someone from the ghetto... who do you think wins? Looking at the person background you should be able to make an educated guess. The same can be said about FMA/Naruto's world.

Take FMA's world and contrast it against Naruto's. Someone said that Ed graduated at 12, being the youngest achemist ever? Well in Naruto, 6 year old kids graduating as Jounin is not uncommon. Not uncommon. It means that Naruto's world is so strong that amazing things like children becoming monsters seems natural.

To quote Kakashi: "Naruto, in OUR WORLD there are children younger then you, but stronger then me."

Sooooooo.... people in Naruto are too bulked up and some of the physics in it are totally unrealistic.

[Paperclips]

OKAY, Insipidipity, i'll calm down... i am just really frustrated that people keep flaming my ass off for being on ed's side, but now that i'm in the green again, THANK YOU, i'll cool down. i still dissagree with you and can barely stand you, but you're a nice person. lol. and for my own good, i'm dropping out of this thread. buh bye 'yall!

[Takuza]

I disagree Insipidipity. Naruto is NOT strong, he is NOT fast. he himself is pretty weak. when he gets mad he uses Kyubi..that makes him strong...and fast...but if Ed was able to kill him defore that happened... :) and you have to admit..he does have more than enough ways to counter most things naruto could do.

[Insipidipity]

I disagree Insipidipity. Naruto is NOT strong, he is NOT fast. he himself is pretty weak. when he gets mad he uses Kyubi..that makes him strong...and fast...but if Ed was able to kill him defore that happened... :) and you have to admit..he does have more than enough ways to counter most things naruto could do.
Has anyone come close to killing Naruto before he can use Kyubi? He's like Bruce Banner, no matter how weak he is normally, the fact that he can make himself more powerful without even trying makes him pretty invincible. Naruto doesn't have to be mad, he just has to want to. When he started chasing Kimimaro he just turned it on like it was nothing. When he was about to be instantly killed by Gaara's sand, he summoned Gama Bunta. And when he is damaged, if he turns it on, he starts healing insanely fast. Ed has many things he can do, but will he think them up? Ed is basically a mutator scientist, Naruto is a fighter ninja. While Ed has an advantage in genius, he doesnt have that raw power Naruto can summon. Naruto can roar and make an indentation in the river, he can run fast enough to light wood on fire, he can smash people through solid rock, and most importantly, his chakra hands can go through solid materials. Unless theres chakra in what he transmutes, theres really nothing he can do to stop that kind of power. Ed is great when it comes to fighting normal people, when he has to fight someone with alchemy powers, he starts struggling, and when it comes to ninjas who can deceive and use much more physical power than him, he's not really standing a chance.
He doesn't have experience with Kawarimi, Kage Bunshin, Henge, and tons of other jutsus, on the other hand, its plain to see what he does, he transforms things. Its an ability thats versatile but in the end much more predictable than what Naruto can do.

Oh, and even normal speed Naruto is faster than Ed. Naruto jumps through trees to travel, Ed walks.

If you're gonna argue what Ed can do to "kill instantly", give examples of things he's actually done that's killed "instantly"

[Takuza]

I had no intention of doing that...but he did blow a HUGE hole through that armor murder guy. so it makes sense that he can do it to people also since he does know what people are made of. and if you want to say that he won't know what narutos clothes are made of...Ed is smart enough to get a general Idea of the main fiber, he takes out that fiber, the clothes fall apart, and then explosion time.

[Insipidipity]

I had no intention of doing that...but he did blow a HUGE hole through that armor murder guy. so it makes sense that he can do it to people also since he does know what people are made of. and if you want to say that he won't know what narutos clothes are made of...Ed is smart enough to get a general Idea of the main fiber, he takes out that fiber, the clothes fall apart, and then explosion time.
Armor is made out of a consistent uniform alloy of metal, skin is not. I've never seen anyone blow up an entire human because of this reason. If he just blows a hole in his chest, Kyubi can probably heal it. Not to mention you're assuming he can get that close to touch him. Between finding the right one through a field of Kage Bunshins, he'd have to avoid rasengan at the same time as touching with both hands. If he touches the rasengan with his hands, its over. I seriously doubt he can transmute chakra so all that would happen is that one of his hands or both would be destroyed and no more transmutation. If he gets close enough to touch him, he'd also be hit.

[NineG]

supose he could hit naruto
while naruto powers up
then it would happen the same as when naruto was powering up and sasuke hit him....

[Uchiha 0bito]

wtf... kawamiri > any attack from elric

[Jeltz]

Armor is made out of a consistent uniform alloy of metal, skin is not. I've never seen anyone blow up an entire human because of this reason. If he just blows a hole in his chest, Kyubi can probably heal it. Not to mention you're assuming he can get that close to touch him. Between finding the right one through a field of Kage Bunshins, he'd have to avoid rasengan at the same time as touching with both hands. If he touches the rasengan with his hands, its over. I seriously doubt he can transmute chakra so all that would happen is that one of his hands or both would be destroyed and no more transmutation. If he gets close enough to touch him, he'd also be hit.

We have seen Scar use that on people, and if Kyuubi heals the wound Ed can make a new one. As for the rasengan, Ed will just dodge it. I still believe that Ed has far supperior speed and agility and that he easily could dodge.

[Takuza]

^ how true it is.

[Ssj3_Goku]

We have seen Scar use that on people, and if Kyuubi heals the wound Ed can make a new one. As for the rasengan, Ed will just dodge it. I still believe that Ed has far supperior speed and agility and that he easily could dodge.


and naruto has alot more stacked against ed that i have stated in this thread...

[Id]

Elric- cus he is an alchemist. Plus hes cooler more likeable character.

[Paperclips]

i couldn't help myself. i just can't stay away from this thread. but before, people were saying that ed could NOT dodge bullets, but here i have a page of the mangawhere ed DOES dodge a bullet.
http://groups.msn.com/FullMetalAlchemist/chapter5.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3192

..just to correct something here.

[Insipidipity]

Theres a difference between dodging a bullet and dodging someone from shooting you. He obviously had some time to react from when he saw the gun. He has guts and high reaction speed, but that doesn't equate to moving speed. If you find a frame where someone shoots him(in other words a bullet starts coming at him, THEN he dodges, that'd be a different story.

[Birdhouse_05]

It wouls be a very interesting fight i dunno its a tough call. I bet Ed would win though u no all those rock walls and being able to make weapons. But naruto is fast. Hmm i still think Ed would win.

[uglymonkey]

i must say that this is a very good comarison my opinion eh. i mean alchemy and ninjitsu are almost one and the same as far as their capabilities (except for summoning). but as for the fight i have to side with ed as no matter where he is he can use the landscape to his advantage.

[Rakumaru]

I agree with ugly Monkey. I think Ed would win. But he is not as fast as a ninja... lol

[hobofromdowntown]

naruto.. because he seems to be more clever in his battles and tactics. Plus he can kage bunshin, confuisng ed and he can summon gamabunta

[Cornuthaum]

Naruto.

Just continuously pop out Kage Bunshin that throw shuriken at Ed ... wear him down, Naruto, you're a crapload faster, can jump 30 meters from standing still, and if it comes down to it, could rip through the sword-arm via Rasengan.

[Heldensheld]

Naruto.....

[kumagoro_usagi]

This is really difficult. If it was pre skip Naruto I'd say Ed however post Naruto skip and I'd say Naruto. Still I need to think about this one.

[Kira Yamato]

I'd have to say that Ed would win this matchup. Needless to say Ed is a smarter figher than Naruto and he maybe even quicker :amazed

[T2004]

Well, I have no idea who would win this fight. This is a good match-up but I can't see Ed win this in the end. Ed isn't a pure fighter type compared to naruto, so battle tactics would go to naruto. But i'm sure Ed would put up a hell of a fight, but this particular battle is like a good chess game. Each character will have their advantages and disadvantages in the fight but only if that particualr charater does the right move at the right time.

[John Fuuma]

Did this poll end? Oh well

Aside from that I'd say...Ed
Or mabey they would both lose (ex: Naruto tries to sumon Gabunta and he woln't fight and trashes everything)

[BattousaiMS]

Naruto will most likely win. We really havn't seen something from Alchemists(well atleast not from Ed) in FMA that can caliber against Ninjutsus and other ninja aspects in Naruto.

Naruto can simply summon a 1000 clone to keep Ed busy and then while ED is to concentrated with taking out the 1000 clones he could Rasengan ED and Ed would die right there.

[Shiron]

Naruto will most likely win. We really havn't seen something from Alchemists(well atleast not from Ed) in FMA that can caliber against Ninjutsus and other ninja aspects in Naruto.

Naruto can simply summon a 1000 clone to keep Ed busy and then while ED is to concentrated with taking out the 1000 clones he could Rasengan ED and Ed would die right there.
[Takes idea from video game]
Ed could just transmute a nearby street light or something into a machine gun. That should take care of the clones (and Naruto). And I'm pretty sure that Ed can use destructive alchemy like Scar, so I'd say that this match would end up going to Ed.

[ydraliskos]

I don't know if it's already mentioned, but

Ed can instantly destroy ALL of naruto's kagebunshins. He can transmute them, they are not living things.

[Luckey]

Ed creates a cannon and blasts Naruto to the next dimension.

[Zoro]

Done and done.

Ed wins, Code made it clear that FMA people are just ridiculously fast, even compared to Jounin+. Alchemy>Ninjutsu as well.
Yeah the battles in FMA are so awesome Ed wins.