Sasuke vs Jiraiya

[Roland]

Tried the search function. Found nothing. If this has been done before, I couldn't find it.

While the Itachi vs Jiraiya threads are debated heavily, what of Itachi's little brother? Would he be able to contend with the legendary sannin, Jiraiya?

Rules/Restrictions
Starting Distance: 40 meters
Battlefeild: Kakashi Gaiden Forest (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/239/14/)
Sasuke is as he was during the Deidara fight. (I.E. Has cursed seal. Has Manda. No MS.)

Situation 1
Jiraiya and Sasuke are both bloodlusted. They both will fight to kill. No holding back.

Situation 2
Both Sasuke and Jiraiya are fighting IC.

Can the Uchiha overcome Jiraiya, the toad sage?

[Han Solo]

Does Sasuke have Orochimaru's powers then?

[Pimp of Pimps]

There's a reason this has never been done before.

[Mégas Strategos]

Lol blood lusted Jiraiya summons Bunta to distract Sasuke - while he prepares hermit mode - in hermit mode his strength and speed >> Sasuke's. Sasuke will probably try Kirin but J-Man is fast enough to dodge it in hermit mode and will already be engaging in taijutsu with Sasuke.

Sasuke however has a lot of deadly chidori variations which could prove to be troublesome, however Hermit Mode Jiraiya should be Ok (he has rasengan to counter chidori). Sasuke loses.

[Truepotential]

I sense Jiraiyatards...coming.

Sasuke wins with moderate difficulty with Manda, Jiraiya can beat Current Sasuke with no Manda(Assuming no control of MS).

Manda can easily catch Gamabunta again, and Sasuke riding on Manda gives him the range to use Chidori Lance on Bunta's brain.

After Bunta falls, Jiraiya isn't getting the time to use Sennin Modo, and he loses.

[Maximus]

Sasuke wins the second one. No doubt. Mostly b.c of No knowledge of speed and IC Jiraiya is very restricted.

[Nikushimi]

Scenerio 1: Bloodlusted Sasuke Genjutsus and chops Jiraiya's head off like nothing. Bloodlust is a bad idea.

Scenerio 2: Pretty much the same thing, only, it lasts longer because no one is bloodlusted. There might be a small Jutsu exchange, but ultimately, Genjutsu is what takes this for Sasuke.

[Hiruzen]

Sasuke wins with moderate difficulty with Manda, Jiraiya can beat Current Sasuke with no Manda(Assuming no control of MS).

Manda can easily catch Gamabunta again, and Sasuke riding on Manda gives him the range to use Chidori Lance on Bunta's brain.

He's got more than Gamabunta. Jiraiya spam summons and they gang up on Manda. Jiraiya wins with mid difficulty.

[Mégas Strategos]

I sense Jiraiyatards...coming.

Sasuke wins with moderate difficulty with Manda, Jiraiya can beat Current Sasuke with no Manda(Assuming no control of MS).

Manda can easily catch Gamabunta again, and Sasuke riding on Manda gives him the range to use Chidori Lance on Bunta's brain.

After Bunta falls, Jiraiya isn't getting the time to use Sennin Modo, and he loses.

Can Sasuke even control Manda to the extent of Oro? Has he delivered some piles of human sacrifices? Manda isn't going to get ordered around by some snotty uchiha kid.

[Truepotential]

He's got more than Gamabunta. Jiraiya spam summons and they gang up on Manda. Jiraiya wins with mid difficulty.

All summons other than Gamabunta will be blitzed and Chidori Lanced to the brain.


Can Sasuke even control Manda to the extent of Oro? Has he delivered some piles of human sacrifices? Manda isn't going to get ordered around by some snotty uchiha kid.

I'm assuming he will listen, why would OP allow Sasuke to have Manda if he can't control him.

Anyways he still has genjutsu.

[TasteTheDifference]

I feel that Jiraiya has scant chance of winning this fight, for the simple reason that in order to keep up with Sasuke in Taijutsu, or even to guard against his Chidori Nagashi empowered Kusanagi, he needs to go into Sennin Modo. Either IC or bloodlusted, Sasuke will try to Shunshin in and reach Jiraiya to engage him hand to hand.

The only way I see Jiraiya safeguarding himself against this is to summon either Gamaken or Gamabunta. He may well try this in either situation, as he knows Sasuke as the man who killed Orochimaru, so he wouldn't undervalue him. Sasuke will see this and counter with Manda (the only comparable Snake summon). Why would this battle proceed any differently than the fight we saw between the two summons at the Sannin battlefield, which had the added nuisance of Katsuya? Ultimately Gamabunta was only saved by Tsunade's ambush.

This will allow Sasuke to leap onto Gamabunta, before Jiraiya has entered Sennin Modo. How will Jiraiya defend from here? Hari Jizou is not an ultimate defense, it is only B ranked and it will be forced to safeguard Jiriaya against an exceedingly powerful weapon. Sasuke has his three Tomoe Sharingan to avoid any of Jiraiya's rasengan and to aid his own aim, his katon's are laughably better than Base Jiraiya's and he has more feats.

[Cyphon]

Jiraiya > Itachi, so what chance does Sasuke have really. They both use flames and genjutsu. Jiraiya has genjutsu defense and bigger flames.

Seriously though. Sasuke is fast and would probably try a biltz Chidori variant in a blood lusted state. The problem is that he would run into a giant defensive summon in Gamaken. He is fast, but Jiraiya has shown crazy summon speeds (see him stopping Kisame's sword with a summon). He could then try and summon Manda, but we do not even know if Manda would listen without first being genjutsu'd. So if Manda listened, then Sasuke would have a chance to live for a longer time but would still be overcome. If Manda doesn't listen, it is over before it began.

[Han Solo]

I feel that Jiraiya has scant chance of winning this fight, for the simple reason that in order to keep up with Sasuke in Taijutsu, or even to guard against his Chidori Nagashi empowered Kusanagi, he needs to go into Sennin Modo. Either IC or bloodlusted, Sasuke will try to Shunshin in and reach Jiraiya to engage him hand to hand.

The only way I see Jiraiya safeguarding himself against this is to summon either Gamaken or Gamabunta. He may well try this in either situation, as he knows Sasuke as the man who killed Orochimaru, so he wouldn't undervalue him. Sasuke will see this and counter with Manda (the only comparable Snake summon). Why would this battle proceed any differently than the fight we saw between the two summons at the Sannin battlefield, which had the added nuisance of Katsuya? Ultimately Gamabunta was only saved by Tsunade's ambush.

This will allow Sasuke to leap onto Gamabunta, before Jiraiya has entered Sennin Modo. How will Jiraiya defend from here? Hari Jizou is not an ultimate defense, it is only B ranked and it will be forced to safeguard Jiriaya against an exceedingly powerful weapon. Sasuke has his three Tomoe Sharingan to avoid any of Jiraiya's rasengan and to aid his own aim, his katon's are laughably better than Base Jiraiya's and he has more feats.

Actually Jiraiya could just use KB and Gamabunta as a distraction - like you said he'll attack straight on, while Jiraiya jumps into the mouth of his space/time frogs, and powers up HM from there, when Sasuke has no fucking idea where he is.

Space/time frogs:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/368/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/368/11/

or

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/12/

[Nikushimi]

Jiraiya > Itachi, so what chance does Sasuke have really. They both use flames and genjutsu. Jiraiya has genjutsu defense and bigger flames.

Seriously though. Sasuke is fast and would probably try a biltz Chidori variant in a blood lusted state. The problem is that he would run into a giant defensive summon in Gamaken. He is fast, but Jiraiya has shown crazy summon speeds (see him stopping Kisame's sword with a summon). He could then try and summon Manda, but we do not even know if Manda would listen without first being genjutsu'd. So if Manda listened, then Sasuke would have a chance to live for a longer time but would still be overcome. If Manda doesn't listen, it is over before it began.

MAI RIVARU!!1 :dupe

Itachi>Jiraiya, onna. :pek

Jiraiya stopping Kisame's sword with a summon isn't really impressive, since Kisame was only trying to cut off a limb, not...obliterate Naruto, along with half the hotel. Basically saying, Kisame wasn't going all-out, so it's not like Jiraiya is fast enough to summon in the middle of a Kisame slash. Not only that, but...Samehada isn't a slashing weapon. Kisame might've just been bringing it down so he could shave Naruto's arm off (which makes sense; I don't see how slashing with Samehada could cut anything, except for the animu scene where he cuts the Gamaguchi Shibari tentacles). Also, I doubt Jiraiya can summon faster than Sasuke can blitz/Shunshin blitz, and with a Chidori varient and at this range, Sasuke defintiely has the edge. If Sasuke rushed with his sword and Jiraiya tries a random hair Jutsu to keep him at a distance, Sasuke can just Raiton-charge his blade and cut through, killing Jiraiya. Genjutsu is also a huge factor, meaning that Jiraiya can't even look at Sasuke, pretty much. Snake Bulimia would also help Sasuke avoid any devastating attacks, and regeneration heals him when he does sustain damage.

Plus, I think it was stated by the OP that Sasuke controlling Manda was a given. Manda is a lot stronger than Gamabunta, so really, I don't see Jiraiya winning this. Ever.

[Ephemere]

Im sorry, might just be me, but I sense a curbstomp in Jiraiya's favor here, I mean come on, blood lusted? Sasuke was always pissed off because of Itachi, but Jiraiya actually mad? Someones going down...though I digress, I cant say so much about Sasuke during his match with Deidara.

[TasteTheDifference]

Actually Jiraiya could just use KB and Gamabunta as a distraction - like you said he'll attack straight on, while Jiraiya jumps into the mouth of his space/time frogs, and powers up HM from there, when Sasuke has no fucking idea where he is.

Space/time frogs:

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/368/10/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/368/11/

or

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/12/

Jiraiya isn't that sneaky :hmpf

Where is the frog going to go - on the ground where he'll get squished by the giant Snake and Toad fighting?

If he stays on the toad won't that leave him defenseless? By comparison it took fewer panels for Manda to ambush Gamabunta than for Jiraiya to get in Sennin Moodo. Wouldn't Sasuke just get rid of any toads he sees?

[Han Solo]

Jiraiya isn't that sneaky :hmpf

Where is the frog going to go - on the ground where he'll get squished by the giant Snake and Toad fighting?

If he stays on the toad won't that leave him defenseless? By comparison it took fewer panels for Manda to ambush Gamabunta than for Jiraiya to get in Sennin Moodo. Wouldn't Sasuke just get rid of any toads he sees?

All the space/time frog has to do is retreat into the fucking massive woodland or whatever the hell it is, while Sasuke is still engaging Gamabunta/Gamaken and the KB.

[Dman]

ill say sasuke win both scenarios-his overwhelming speed and genjutsu probobly is what leads him to victory:del

[sanji's left eye]

jiraiya wins. in base form he has strength that matches or surpasses him. jiraiya is pretty quick and i do believe he could at least keep up with him or use his detection barrier if need be. sasuke uses genjutsu and either ma and pa can break him out or jiraiya breaks out on his own. getting into sennin mode is easy cause he can use gamabunta and other frogs to kill manda and other fodder snakes. ma and pa can use suitons to get rid of katons or more powerful katons to scrww over sasukes katons. chidori varients countered with frogs, HM, Katons, and hair. jiraiya simply out matches sasuke. 2 different leagues. jiraiya wins both scenarios

[Pimp of Pimps]

Are some people actually arguing in favor of Sasuke? Jiraiya was on of the strongest shinobi in existence, how the hell do you expect him to compete with Jiraiya? He loses in an instant.

[Suzuku]

Jiraiya stomps.

Stronger, faster, more experience, better summons, more powerful techniques, and a much higher chakra capacity.

[Nikushimi]

Jiraiya stomps.

Stronger, faster, more experience, better summons, more powerful techniques, and a much higher chakra capacity.

Stronger, maybe. But blitzing Deidara, being a genius, Manda, Kirin, and epic Ushiha brawl with Itachi disagree, respectively. :zaru

[Bill G]

Jiraiya completely rapestomps in situation 1.

In situation 2, Sasuke always seems to stall for time until it seems his opponents been weakened. Then, he pulls out some god jutsu. In situation 2, it could go either way, depending on who makes the first mistake in the fight.

[Suzuku]

Stronger, maybe. But blitzing Deidara, being a genius, Manda, Kirin, and epic Ushiha brawl with Itachi disagree, respectively. :zaru
Deidara was able to keep up, if only barely; experience > genius, Gamabunta=Manda/Hermit Mode > Manda; Kirin takes time to prepare, and I doubt Jiraiya will just sit on his ass watching. Sasuke showed nothing particular impressive in his fight with Itachi in comparison to Jiraiya.

[-Maya-]

Stronger, maybe. But blitzing Deidara, being a genius, Manda, Kirin, and epic Ushiha brawl with Itachi disagree, respectively. :zaru

Sasuke did not speedblitz deidara The closest he came was after Tobi distracted Deidara attention giving Sasuke the opotunity to Shunshin behind him.

[Nikushimi]

Deidara was able to keep up, if only barely; experience > genius, Gamabunta=Manda/Hermit Mode > Manda; Kirin takes time to prepare, and I doubt Jiraiya will just sit on his ass watching. Sasuke showed nothing particular impressive in his fight with Itachi in comparison to Jiraiya.

Deidara admitted he couldn't keep up with base Sasuke on the ground, yet he was outrunning Team Gai without any arms. A fat lot of good Kakuzu's 100+ years of experience did against Naruto's spur-of-the-moment strategy. Manda demonstrated lucid superiority over Gamabunta. Juin>Sennin Moodo. And as for Jutsu, Kirin isn't really possible or necessary against Jiraiya (it's only possible if Jiraiya and Gamabunta use Gamayu Endan first, but there's no guarantee that will heat the air currents enough).

I also actually disagree that Sasuke didn't show anything impressive in his fight with Itachi; I think he proved he was definitely above Sannin-level.

Sasuke did not speedblitz deidara The closest he came was after Tobi distracted Deidara attention giving Sasuke the opotunity to Shunshin behind him.

He charged directly at Deidara and Tobi before that, and Deidara expressed amazement at his speed. Even after Deidara took flight on the C2 Dragon, he professed that Sasuke was a speedy bastard at least two more times.

[Creator]

Nope. This is the great Jiraiya. Itachi, who is far better then Sasuke, is afraid of Jiraiya, clearly showing his power, which clearly shows that Sasuke is nothing compared to Jiraiya. :amuse

[-Maya-]

He charged directly at Deidara and Tobi before that, and Deidara expressed amazement at his speed. Even after Deidara took flight on the C2 Dragon, he professed that Sasuke was a speedy bastard at least two more times.

Yes he did and yes Deidara remarked on his speed, But Deidara was able to put some space between them during that Charge so it doesn't count as a Speedblitz

[Breeze]

All these Jiraiya and Itachi battles are starting to get ridiculous. Although i like the J-man Itachi Match ups but when it comes to Sasuke, you gotta be kidding me. Jiraiya losing to Sasuke??? Sasuke himself would tremble in fear if he had to face Jiraiya.
and your going to boost him into Bloodluste ... and still some people say Sasuke would win.

Come on, this is getting out of hand. Sasuke is my favorite character and even I can't lie in this match up...Sasuke would lose...Sharingan hax and all.
Fighting Pein was a mystery that Jiraiya needed to figure out before he could possibly win.
There is no Mystery in fighting Sasuke, Jiraiya already knows whats good. "Sharingan, he's fast,and has Oro's cursed seal to the finest point. that's it...That's nothing for someone like Jiraiya.

This is Madness:facepalm

[gnubbb]

Are some people actually arguing in favor of Sasuke? Jiraiya was on of the strongest shinobi in existence, how the hell do you expect him to compete with Jiraiya? He loses in an instant.

/thread

Genjutsu is kinda useless against the J-Man since hes always in direct contact w/ some frogs who can get him out of the genjutsu.

Manda will be raped by hermit mode + bunta or ken.
That kinda leaves the chidori variants Sasuke uses but i highly doubt they will be enough to hurt Jiraiya.
once in Hermit Mode Sasuke's chance of survival is 0%

[Gspot]

Wow... An unrestricted Jiraiya would school Sasuke, although in plot context, I think Sasuke would have to somehow escape/be spared. If Sasuke wasn't protected by the ultimate PnJ, then Jiraiya would beat Sasuke pretty damn solidly.

By the way, what makes people think that Sasuke can use Manda? He can't, unless he plans on sucker-genjutsuing a monster snake again, while fighting a ninja at the level of Jiraiya. Manda would either eat or fight Sasuke.

[~SAGE~]

Gama Bunta vs. Manda(so giving sasuke manda wasn't a big help plus Jiraiya can use Hermit mode while with Gama Bunta making him faster and stronger than Sasuke)

[TasteTheDifference]

Wow... An unrestricted Jiraiya would school Sasuke, although in plot context, I think Sasuke would have to somehow escape/be spared. If Sasuke wasn't protected by the ultimate PnJ, then Jiraiya would beat Sasuke pretty damn solidly.

By the way, what makes people think that Sasuke can use Manda? He can't, unless he plans on sucker-genjutsuing a monster snake again, while fighting a ninja at the level of Jiraiya. Manda would either eat or fight Sasuke.

If the OP says he can use Manda, he can use Manda.

Why is base Jiraiya assumed to be this far above this Sasuke? After all it could be argued that this Sasuke is simply a stronger version of Orochimaru. He has all of his summons, which he can control even better than the originator via Sharingan Genjutsu, he also possesses those Jutsu which are not restricted by the need to possess Orochimaru's anatomy. All this is in addition to his own estimable skills.

Sennin Modoo Jiraiya is a different matter, but how does he get to that stage?

Most people say, well he hops into a frog and gets into hermit mode that way. What evidence is there from the Manga that he would actually do that, he didn't do it against Pain, in-fact he only progressed to that stage when his arm was ripped off, denying him the use of Ninjutsu, essentially ending his fight. Isn't this more or less equivalent to saying that he would run away? Maybe he would run away while blood-lusted :LOS, but IC, why would he feel either the need to do that or in fact actually want to do it?

[Euraj]

At forty meters, Jiraya should have enough time to summon a decoy and unlock Hermit Mode. With that activated, he should be quick enough to keep up with or keep away from Sasuke, landing the Toad's Genjutsu if necessary. I'll give this one to the Gallant Jiraiya.

[Legendarywun]

Yes this thread has been done before and the verdict remains the same....Sasuke beat Jiraiya?...nope, not yet anyways.

[slickcat]

there is a reason a thread like this hasnt been made...

Sorry their leagues are too different. Jiraiya takes this everyhow. I cant believe someone who is not in itachis tier is actually having to match up with one of the strongest characters in Narutoverse. this is joke.

[Esponer]

After all it could be argued that this Sasuke is simply a stronger version of Orochimaru.
How? Sasuke has some of Orochimaru's jutsu but not all of them. More to the point, Sasuke fought Orochimaru. He ambushed Orochimaru when he was on his deathbed (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/343/12/).

And he lost (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/345/page-05/). In a straight fight, he lost — but Orochimaru didn't want to kill him, he tried fushi tensei and failed. Sasuke won the 'war' if you will, but had there ever been a battle Orochimaru would have won it.

[Chainer]

Lol blood lusted Jiraiya summons Bunta to distract Sasuke - while he prepares hermit mode - in hermit mode his strength and speed >> Sasuke's. Sasuke will probably try Kirin but J-Man is fast enough to dodge it in hermit mode and will already be engaging in taijutsu with Sasuke.

Sasuke however has a lot of deadly chidori variations which could prove to be troublesome, however Hermit Mode Jiraiya should be Ok (he has rasengan to counter chidori). Sasuke loses.

I personally believe that Jiraiya has more versatile jutsu, more experience, and the speed/strength necessary to win this when in Sennin Modo, but the bolded part made me laugh.

You do know the speed at which lightning travels, don't you?

And to this:

I also actually disagree that Sasuke didn't show anything impressive in his fight with Itachi; I think he proved he was definitely above Sannin-level.

Above Sannin level? What is Sannin level? The only Sannin we have ever seen fight at 100% is Jiraiya (and arguably Orochimaru versus the Third), and I for one do not believe that Sasuke showed anything near that level - as he was dominated entirely throughout the Itachi fight, and his opponent was not even trying.

[nordic]

Jiraiya would win with moderate difficulty.

[Suu]

Wait a second.

Sasuke can summon Manda. But that doesn't neccessarily mean Manda will listen to him. In fact, Manda will simply try and eat him if he doesn't use genjutsu on Manda.

So, if Sasuke tries to use Manda against Jiraiya, he'll have to concentrate on fighting Jiraiya, fighting whatever Jiraiya's got summoned at the time and keeping Manda under genjutsu. Some might argue that would simply complicate things further for Sasuke.

[VoDe]

Jiraiya just needs Frog Song and game over for Sasuke.

[Teach]

Jiraya cockstomps.

[The Luiz]

Jiraiya just needs Frog Song and game over for Sasuke.

It wouldn't be necessary,since Sasuke can't go absorbing Jiraiya's ninjutsu.

With HM,Jiraiya's speed and taijutsu are much greater than Sasuke's.

Anyway,base Jiraiya is already very strong and versatile.

[TasteTheDifference]

How? Sasuke has some of Orochimaru's jutsu but not all of them. More to the point, Sasuke fought Orochimaru. He ambushed Orochimaru when he was on his deathbed (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/343/12/).

And he lost (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/345/page-05/). In a straight fight, he lost — but Orochimaru didn't want to kill him, he tried fushi tensei and failed. Sasuke won the 'war' if you will, but had there ever been a battle Orochimaru would have won it.

Well that was before he absorbed Orochimaru, wasn't it? It's true that he admitted that he wouldn't have been able to deal with Orochimaru by himself, but with him, why not? Wasn't that the entire purpose of one taking control of the other, that they would gain the power to defeat Itachi, something that neither was capable of alone?

Maybe its just because Orochimaru is my favourite character and I've lost too much faith in his abilities, due to his pretty embarrassing defeats to Itachi, but I really don't see that Sasuke as being weaker than him.

In fact I don't even think that Orochimaru is as strong as Jiraiya anymore :cry, Sasuke only having the advantage here through the ability to deny him Sennin Moodo

[HumanWine]

You know why I find this thread funny?
Jiraiya vs Sasuke (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=318330)

See it now?

[-= Ziggy Stardust =-]

Sasuke takes this , Sharingan Genjutsu ends this fight with ease , if not Manda can eat Gamabunta and Jiraya :zaru

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Sasuke wins in both Scenarios with slight difficulty. With the Sharingan he can break through Jiraiya's genjutsu and with Manda counter Gamabunta.

[sanji's left eye]

Sasuke wins in both Scenarios with slight difficulty. With the Sharingan he can break through Jiraiya's genjutsu and with Manda counter Gamabunta.

wow fanboyism to the max

[piccun²]

base Jiraia wins easy. HM Jirayia stomps

[Zed]

Sasuke doesn't stand a chance. Jiraiya's Hermit Mode Genjutsu kills Sasuke. So, Jiraiya wins this definitely.

[-Maya-]

Sasuke wins in both Scenarios with slight difficulty. With the Sharingan he can break through Jiraiya's genjutsu and with Manda counter Gamabunta.

lovely logic Put 1 snag Jiraiya doesn't use genjutsu

[Mibu Clan]

The people who think Jiraiya would defeat Sasuke easily are utter tards.

Considering the fact that both Base Jiraiya and Orochimaru have very similar techniques, then Sasuke's techniques are also similar to Jiraiya's.

Speed wise Sasuke rivaled Itachi's speed, we've seen his Taijutsu against Hachibi, has his other Chidori variations and Jiraiya has shown to have comparable speed with Orochimaru.

I mean, I can understand saying Jiraiya wins... but Sasuke's no pushover. The fight can truly go both ways...

Anyways, if Jiraiya made it into Sennin Modo then this is pretty much like the Hachibi raping him. (Until MS)

Oh, and Sasuke would have put up a fight against Orochimaru if he wasn't ill too... Might even have won. (After absorbing him it's pretty clear that Sasuke> Orochimaru)

[N120]

scenario 1: blood-lusted jiraiya wins in base mode.

spits out frog oil at sasuke, slows him down and neuralises chidori attack (since it conducts electricity and lights up with katon), creates a bunshin who fires katon at him trying to set him alight. leads him into swamp of the underworld, then binds him with his hair leaving the bunshin a clear target to set him alight.

scenario 2: HM destroys sasuke. no scenarios needed , its game over.

[the box]

base jaiya wins with ease makes saskue look like a fool just like hichbi and itachi did this is rape

[the box]

The people who think Jiraiya would defeat Sasuke easily are utter tards.

[QUOTE]Considering the fact that both Base Jiraiya and Orochimaru have very similar techniques, then Sasuke's techniques are also similar to Jiraiya's.

ok man WTF are you talking about

jmans moves and saskues moves are way diffrent and jmans moves are more powerfil dont compare sannin to drug addics

Speed wise Sasuke rivaled Itachi's speed, we've seen his Taijutsu against Hachibi, has his other Chidori variations and Jiraiya has shown to have comparable speed with Orochimaru.

do you read the damn manga itachi held back the whole time OMGOMGOMG
that tia jutsu we saw against hichibi was utter shit if thats your defence gtfo


I mean, I can understand saying Jiraiya wins... but Sasuke's no pushover. The fight can truly go both ways...

lol tell that to hichibi,itachi,lee,and gaara

Anyways, if Jiraiya made it into Sennin Modo then this is pretty much like the Hachibi raping him. (Until MS)

um WTF you lost me here

Oh, and Sasuke would have put up a fight against Orochimaru if he wasn't ill too... Might even have won. (After absorbing him it's pretty clear that Sasuke> Orochimaru)

oro owned saskue on his death bed how does that show

saskue>oro

just plz gtfo of this thread your embarrasinhg

[Rated R Superstar]

I sense Jiraiyatards...coming.

Sasuke wins with moderate difficulty with Manda, Jiraiya can beat Current Sasuke with no Manda(Assuming no control of MS).

Manda can easily catch Gamabunta again, and Sasuke riding on Manda gives him the range to use Chidori Lance on Bunta's brain.

After Bunta falls, Jiraiya isn't getting the time to use Sennin Modo, and he loses.

What's Manda gonna do againts Jiraiya's other Summons, such as the frog he summoned againts Pein? Jiraiya has more than enough to summons to keep Manda busy, while he's wiping the floor with Sasuke.

[TasteTheDifference]

What's Manda gonna do againts Jiraiya's other Summons, such as the frog he summoned againts Pein? Jiraiya has more than enough to summons to keep Manda busy, while he's wiping the floor with Sasuke.

Jiraiya has only ever summoned one large toad at a time, Pain is the only shinobi who has used more than one large summon at once.

Jiraiya would have to jump off of whatever summon he was on at the time, which which be a pretty nasty fall if it was Gamabunta who he had summoned first. He would then have to travel far enough away from the other toad, while on foot, to summon a new one, as he can only summon beneath himself.

Sasuke has summons other than Manda

[Truepotential]

What's Manda gonna do againts Jiraiya's other Summons, such as the frog he summoned againts Pein? Jiraiya has more than enough to summons to keep Manda busy, while he's wiping the floor with Sasuke.

Non-boss summons keeping Manda busy? Real funny, this is the guy that can catch and strangle Boss summons here.

[Rated R Superstar]

Non-boss summons keeping Manda busy? Real funny, this is the guy that can catch and strangle Boss summons here.

The fact of the matter is Jiraiya's non boss summons, along with Gamabunta(an actual boss summon), can keep Manda busy for a while. Bunta should be able to keep Manda busy for a while, while Jiraiya fights Sasuke. I never said Jiraiya's non boss summons could beat Manda.

[bolshybrat]

i still can't believe that people are arguing for sauske. I would quote some of the things said and dissect them but i simply don't wanna lower myself to that level. reading some of the posts defending sauske is like getting bukhaked with stupidity.

[N120]

swamp of the underworld > manda. then a combo oil and katon will fry both manda and sasuke.

[Mibu Clan]

ok man WTF are you talking about

jmans moves and saskues moves are way diffrent and jmans moves are more powerfil dont compare sannin to drug addics

Sasuke never used drugs, didn't know what he's missing out on. :gar
Let me direct you to THIS (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=287824) thread here.

Likewise, Sasuke also has Orochimaru's repertoire of techniques. Oral Rebirth, Senei Jashu, Kusanagi. He posseses Kirin which FORCED Itachi on using Susano.

do you read the damn manga itachi held back the whole time OMGOMGOMG
that tia jutsu we saw against hichibi was utter shit if thats your defence gtfo
Sasuke would have forced Itachi's MS techniques regardless. I can see Itachi being better in speed and Taijutsu, but overall Sasuke is pretty much there.

Chapter 307, Page 14.
Chapter 357, Pages 8 & 10.*
Chapter 358, Page 7.
Chapter 367, Page 3. (... it was Itachi's KB though)
Chapter 387, Pages 8-9.
Chapter 389, Page 2.

*Reference Deidara's speed with the Kyuubi Naruto and Kakashi chase (Chapter 275-276). As well as Chapter 277, Pages 15-17. (Avoiding Team Gai with no arms and a mouth Kunai.)

Thtat's Yamato, Deidara, Madara and Zetzu commenting highly of Sasuke's speed.
um WTF you lost me here
If Jiraiya could activate Sennin Modo, you would pretty much repeat how he lost to Hachibi, holding out a little and getting overwhelmed.

Still to consider Kirin, whilst Jiraiya activates Sennin Modo Sasuke can prepare Kirin. An attack that moves faster than SOUND. I still think Jiraiya would win, but he's no pushover at any point.

oro owned saskue on his death bed how does that show

saskue>oro

just plz gtfo of this thread your embarrasinhg

These are two very different Sasuke's we are comparing. The previous Sasuke which attacked Orochimaru did not have OROCHIMARU ABSORBED.

Zetzu even comments on how it even makes sense for Sasuke to fight Itachi... chapter 390, Page 16.

Sasuke owned Oro on his death bed, the poison allowed for the Transfer technique. Re-read the fight, even if Orochimaru wasn't going for the kill he didn't even harm Sasuke.
Chapter 345, Page 3.

Sasuke's similarities with Orochimaru's techniques dont end there, as he can too use Snake Summons from small to Boss.
He has on top of that Chidori Nagashi against close range Taijutsu, Chidori Lance for Nin/Taijutsu reach, Chidori Senbon for Long Range Ninjutsu, Kusanagi Chidori and Sharingan Genjutsu.

[Truepotential]

The fact of the matter is Jiraiya's non boss summons, along with Gamabunta(an actual boss summon), can keep Manda busy for a while. Bunta should be able to keep Manda busy for a while, while Jiraiya fights Sasuke. I never said Jiraiya's non boss summons could beat Manda.

:facepalm Sasuke has non-boss summons as well.

No Non-boss summons are not going to keep Manda busy, Manda is easily the strongest of the Boss summons. He blitzed Katsuya and strangled her in a split second, non boss summons are going to be raped.

So you think base Jiraiya without summons is on level with Sasuke? That's a grave underestimation of Sasuke.

[Mibu Clan]

:facepalm Sasuke has non-boss summons as well.

No Non-boss summons are not going to keep Manda busy, Manda is easily the strongest of the Boss summons. He blitzed Katsuya and strangled her in a split second, non boss summons are going to be raped.
Pretty much, Manda owned Gamabunta and Katsuya and almost killed both had it not been for Tsunade and Jiraiya's assistance. (As Oro was incapacitated from assisting Manda)

Besides, Regular Sharingan controlled Manda. Lower level summons will just get owned that much worse.

So you think base Jiraiya without summons is on level with Sasuke? That's a grave underestimation of Sasuke.

Ranji Shigami and variations, Hari Jizo, Rasengan/Odama Rasengan and Taijutsu. (Oro and Jiraiya's handicaps were very similar, Orohcimaru is heavily Taijutsu/speed based, and their fight was pretty much stalemate concerning Taijutsu.)

[Truepotential]

Ranji Shigami and variations, Hari Jizo, Rasengan/Odama Rasengan and Taijutsu. (Oro and Jiraiya's handicaps were very similar, Orohcimaru is heavily Taijutsu/speed based, and their fight was pretty much stalemate concerning Taijutsu.)

It was not a stalemate, Orochimaru owned Jiraiya when he tried his hair defense. Imagine what Chidori will do. Base Jiraiya also has shown no impressive speed feats like Sasuke have shown.

[cjones8612]

i still can't believe that people are arguing for sauske. I would quote some of the things said and dissect them but i simply don't wanna lower myself to that level. reading some of the posts defending sauske is like getting bukhaked with stupidity.


I agree with this people are acutally defending ssasuke lmao.....and with manda what says manda will listien if manda didn't listien to oro there is no way in hell he's going to listien to sasuke. sasuke nearly got owned by oro on his death bed so basically it says sannin>sasuke the only sannin he could possibly beat is tsunade and thats becasue she hasn't shown much but i think he still would get owned.

sasuke vs jiraiya= :pwned :wry

[HumanWine]

^lol. So basically Jiraiya wins because you say so.

[Ero•Sennin]

swamp of the underworld > manda. then a combo oil and katon will fry both manda and sasuke.

Kills Manda Right there, gives Jiraiya time to enter HM, own Sasuke with Ultimate Rasengan.

[NinnjaHero]

Are some people actually arguing in favor of Sasuke? Jiraiya was on of the strongest shinobi in existence, how the hell do you expect him to compete with Jiraiya? He loses in an instant.

This man speeks the truth

[Ephemere]

I figure that this is sort of an extreme curbstomp, Sasuke isnt ready to face the Toad Hermit yet, and wont be for a nice long while

[Mibu Clan]

It was not a stalemate, Orochimaru owned Jiraiya when he tried his hair defense. Imagine what Chidori will do. Base Jiraiya also has shown no impressive speed feats like Sasuke have shown.

It was basically a stalemate. Jiraiya owned Orochimaru's Snakes, and Jiraiya's Ninjutsu were weakened. I can only base the strength of his Hair in shape from Ranji Shigami, which is a variation of that technique. Besides, Orochimaru can punch the MK (he owns in Taijutsu). Also, the technique went through Orochi's feet.

Yes Orochimaru had the advantage.

Once Orochimaru went for Tsunade, Jiraiya was right behind him. (Owned him with the toungue)

Of course Hari Jizo is a jutsu to deffend other type of techniques. Chidori would go right through. (But Jiraiya knows that so he wont use it) (For example this technique is ideal against facing Puppets and Satetsu Shigure attacks, or against heavy Taijutsu...)

[Mibu Clan]

I figure that this is sort of an extreme curbstomp, Sasuke isnt ready to face the Toad Hermit yet, and wont be for a nice long while

Sasuke has the MS and is about to capture the Hachibi. He was a match with Orochimaru's absorbtion, now he's gained a new height.

[FTGG_Itachi.]

Sasuke would have forced Itachi's MS techniques regardless. I can see Itachi being better in speed and Taijutsu, but overall Sasuke is pretty much there.

thats not what the Manga says :

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-394/page006.html
"Itachi should've been much stronger than this , he wasn't moving or attacking Normally " ~ Zetsu .

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-401/page001.html

[Pimp of Pimps]

No Non-boss summons are not going to keep Manda busy, Manda is easily the strongest of the Boss summons. He blitzed Katsuya and strangled her in a split second, non boss summons are going to be raped.

From which she easily escaped the next second. No need to dodge what won't affect you.

[Mibu Clan]

thats not what the Manga says :

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-394/page006.html
"Itachi should've been much stronger than this , he wasn't moving or attacking Normally " ~ Zetsu .

http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-401/page001.html

Because he was both stronger and faster than Sasuke. We already know that Itachi was going easy on him, but Itachi's regular attacks would be perfectly countered by Sasuke.

[FTGG_Itachi.]

Because he was both stronger and faster than Sasuke. We already know that Itachi was going easy on him, but Itachi's regular attacks would be perfectly countered by Sasuke.if you mean strong as in "brawr i can smash rocks with my fists " then you're mistaken , if you meant strong as in "all ninja skills" which is what it means then you're correct.

we know Nothing of Itachi's "regular" attack since he didn't use them a lot , but Explosive KB is very hard even for Sasuke .

[chikmagnet7]

This should be deleted. This isnt' even a fight. Jiraiya takes this is little difficulty.

[cjones8612]

^lol. So basically Jiraiya wins because you say so.

no becasue it's jiraiya's ninja way to own any below him jk but any sasuke just couldn't win itachi would be better plus i'm sure 20+ would probable agree.


if you mean strong as in "brawr i can smash rocks with my fists " then you're mistaken , if you meant strong as in "all ninja skills" which is what it means then you're correct.

we know Nothing of Itachi's "regular" attack since he didn't use them a lot , but Explosive KB is very hard even for Sasuke .


The bolded sounds more like Tsunade lol

[Truepotential]

no becasue it's jiraiya's ninja way to own any below him jk but any sasuke just couldn't win itachi would be better plus i'm sure 20+ would probable agree.

Itachi held back and let him win, what an accomplishment for Sasuke.

20+ would agree cause Jiraiya is just all hype.

[mednin]

I think Jiriya would win.

[Nodonn]

Sasuke owned Oro on his death bed, the poison allowed for the Transfer technique. Re-read the fight, even if Orochimaru wasn't going for the kill he didn't even harm Sasuke.
Chapter 345, Page 3.

He ate Sasuke. If a big fucking sentient snake eats you to kill, you're pretty much dead.

[Mibu Clan]

He ate Sasuke. If a big fucking sentient snake eats you to kill, you're pretty much dead.

Because of his sneak attack, not because Sasuke was owned. Seriously, Oro at that point in story would defeat Sasuke (and have a hard time seeing as his body wears out quickly at this given point)...

But his snake technique is last resort, and used when using the tensei jutsu, and though it still has alot of strength to it it aint enough.

Sasuke EASILY defeated Orochimaru. It was Oro's sneakiness that he actually even gets to use the tensei ninjutsu... Sasuke is trapped, and his Sharingan copy's and negates Orochimaru's attack.

I mean sersiously, Base Jiraiya would OWN White Oro.

[Tenacious Lee]

jaraiya wins, itachi said him and jaraiya are equals, and itachi pwns sasuke

im sure it wont be long till sasuke surpasses him though

[Hawkins]

The Toad Sage makes the Uchiha boy cry in the first scenario.
The Toad Sage wins with mild difficulty in the second.

Manda would most likely try to eat Sasuke after being pissed that he's been summoned.

[ZigZag]

I think Jiraiya.

[durtycheese]

sasuke could give jiraiya a good fight, but he isnt strong enough yet.

[Kyo.]

bloodlusted jiraya??? are you serious? do you know how scarry that shit must be?? we saw sasuke bloodlusted and it wasnt all that impresive. jiraya wins, no questions asked

[chikmagnet7]

I agree with above. Bloodlusted Jiraiya, especially in hermit mode, must be fucking scary as hell. Even against Pain, he wasn't bloodlusted. Imagine Sasuke staring at a hermit mode Jiraiya who wants to fucking rip his guts out. What's Sasuke going to do? He's gunna do nothing. He's gunna die.

[Complete_Ownage]

From what the OP has stated in each fight..

Fight 1) Jaraiya by massive rape stomp
fight 2) Jaraiya still takes this

There is no reason to explain why. I couldn't even put up a good debate on how sasuke could take any fight.

Sasuke is not close to Jaraiyas level just YET

btw...whoever said "theres a reason why this has never been done before" i seriously busted out laughing:laugh

[Tenacious Lee]

jaraiya wins

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

While the Itachi vs Jiraiya threads are debated heavily, what of Itachi's little brother? Would he be able to contend with the legendary sannin, Jiraiya?

Rules/Restrictions
Starting Distance: 40 meters
Battlefeild: Kakashi Gaiden Forest
Sasuke is as he was during the Deidara fight. (I.E. Has cursed seal. Has Manda. No MS.)

Situation 1
Jiraiya and Sasuke are both bloodlusted. They both will fight to kill. No holding back.

Situation 2
Both Sasuke and Jiraiya are fighting IC.

Can the Uchiha overcome Jiraiya, the toad sage?



Done last year.

This Sasuke has no chance in hell of winning against the Toad Sage/Hermit/Sennin.

[BIGASIA]

lol...jiraiya wins obviously