Jiraiya & Tsunade vs Orochimaru & Kimimaro

[cjones8612]

All right i find this to be a great tag battle.

Location: Sannin battle field

Restrictions: kimimaro still has hes illness

no blood lust

The sannin have their regular knowledge of each other. Jiraiya and Tsunade have basic knowledge of kimimaro and kimimaro has basic knowlegde of J and T.

Distance: 50 meters

[Gspot]

Tsunade and Jiraiya FTW, absolutely.

Kimimaro is strong, but can't keep up if the Sannin start getting really serious. Hell, realistically, Oro would probably just sacrifice Kimimaro in a tactic/kill him out of psychotic bloodlust.

Tsunade and Jiraiya have the upper hand overall in this battle. They would kill Kimimaro and eventually either defeat Oro or force him to flee like he did at the end of the handicapped Sannin fight. If Oro was given a stronger partner, maybe the outcome could be different.

[Ceribilliam]

Oro and Kimi for sure.

Oro and Kabuto were able to keep both jiraya and tsunade under control even when everyone had equal handicaps. Kimi would be sufficient to put this fight in favour of Oro..

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

Jiraiya and Tsunade take this.

[Gspot]

Oro and Kabuto were able to keep both jiraya and tsunade under control even when everyone had equal handicaps. Kimi would be sufficient to put this fight in favour of Oro..

Negative, sir. Kabuto was not handicapped, and had advantages against Tsunade (knew medical ninjutsu, used two prepared pills, exploited her now-nonexistent hemophilia)... but even so, Jiraiya and Tsunade ended up winning that battle solidly. Manga facts.

[zabuza666]

Wow, based on what we've seen Jiriaya and Tsunade fucking rape Oro/Kimi.

[Mégas Strategos]

Tsunade's 1 punch shatters Kimi's skeleton, then the Sannins 2v1 Oro to win this match.

[Filord12]

Kimi at cs2 can beat Tsunade with lil difficulty,and Oro beats or tie with J-Man.Tsunade and J-man havent shown anything to kill Kimi or Oro

Edit:Kimi bones is harder than steel,even Garra couldn't break them with his desert funeral,Tsunade punches wont break a thing

[Mégas Strategos]

Are you actually saying that CS2 Kimmimaro has a chance against Tsunade? Her punches that make huge craters and fissures will suffice against Kimmimaro, and she can always summon Katsuuya to squish Kimmimaro. Meanwhile Jiraiya uses hermitmode to stomp Oro.

[Filord12]

Yes CS2 Kimi can beat Tsunade,fuck rep,status,or how big her boobs are,so far from what I seen,Kimi can beat Tsunade intil she shows something other than smashy smashy.

She makes big craters and fissures in the the ground,dirt and rock,like I said Garra couldn't even stop him with desert funeral Tsunade punches and Katsuuya don't even come close to how much pressure or damage desert funeral does.

All hermitmode does is make him faster and stronger,Taijutsu don't work on Oro,he took multiple punches to the face from Tsunade and shrugged them off,Ninjutsu that J-Man have shown can not kill Oro,dosen't matter how big rasengan it,if it's not FRS Oro will live and keep attacking,Genjutsu,Frong Song dosen't do anything but paralyzes the target for sometime and stabbing Oro with big swords like he did Pein won't work on Oro.

The genius of the three wins,and that's Oro

[Mégas Strategos]

Oro is weak to genjutsu... Frog song = gg oro. Kimmi blows compared to Tsunade - she flicks him away or gets Katsuuya to dissolve him with acid.

[Filord12]

Lol,Oro weak against genjutsu,stop pulling shit out of the air.

Frog Song dosen't do anything but paralyze,J-Man has to do the rest and he dosen't have anything to kill Oro

You're underestimating Kimi,and Kimi dosen't have to get close ,he can just sniper Tsunade with "Finger bullets (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume24.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35597)",or kill Tsunade and J-man with "Sawarabi no Mai (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume25.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35700)"

And for Katsuuya,Manda can handle the bitch.

[Mégas Strategos]

Urm no Gamabunta is distracting Manda so yes Katsuuya just stomps on Kimi or dissolves him. Pulling shit out of the air? Oro consistently gets raped by genjutsu, Itachi raping him with genjutsu as a 13 year old kid (it wasn't even tsukiyomi) then geting owned by sword of totsuka (genjutsu sword). Frog song is atleast as potent as tsukiyomi, Oro gets his head ripped off by Hermit mode strong Jiraiya or Bunta squishes him.

[Filord12]

Umm no,Manda can handle Bunta and Suuya at the same time like he has before.

Because he got cuaght in a Genjutsu of the of the most potent Genjutsu user ever makes him weak against Genjutsu?

Losing to arguably the most powerful jutsu seen equiped with the most powerful sword ever makes him weak against Genjutsu?

Oh yeah J-Man or Nade are not Itachi nor do they have the same jutsu as Itachi.

Oro gets his head ripped off,he grows another one,and Bunta wont squish him because he's busy with Manda.

[Mégas Strategos]

Urm Frog Song is an extremely potent genjutsu and Oro cannot grow new heads while paralyzed.

[Vagrant Tom]

Well we should all agree that Orochimaru and Jiraiya are equal or one is slightly better.

So Tsunade vs CS2 Kimimaro.

His bones are not indestructable. He managed to destroy his strongest bone by ramming it into Gaara's ultimate defence. Tsunade should easily be strong enough to match that. Furhtermore, she has genesis rebirth too to tank hits and let's not forget about her boss summon that can spit acid that disolves a masive boulder in seconds.

Also, even if you have armour on (bone defences), the impact alone will cause you brain damage. Example, you can fall off a motercycle at a high speed and smack you head. Even though you were wearing a helmet and it didn't break, the shock alone will cause you to either get knocked out, fall into a coma, get brain damage or you'll just die. All that was from the shock and impact of falling off a motorbike. The impact of Tsunades punches is much stronger and having 'unbreakable' armour isn't going to change that.

[Filord12]

Why can't he grow he head back while paralyzed?

Im not saying his bones are indestructable,im saying Nade can't break them.

Nade is strong,but I belive shes not strong enough to break Kimi bones,plus Nade's punches are < Garaa's "Supreme Absolute Defense Sheild of Shukaku"

Kimi can take blows from Nade,he survived Desert Funeral and still almost killed Garra.

Kimi is a bad opponent for Nade and she loses.

[Mégas Strategos]

No because Katsuuya dissolves him :zaru

[Filord12]

Lol,Suuya is fighting Manda

[Agony]

jman and tsunade take this with ease.tsunade can finish kimi first then both tsunade and jman can finish oro.

[Mégas Strategos]

Lol,Suuya is fighting Manda

Lol Gama distracts Manda while Suuya takes a few seconds to dissolve Kimi

[Filord12]

Lol Gama distracts Manda while Suuya takes a few seconds to dissolve Kimi

Bunta and Suuya need to fight Manda,if not they lose,plus Manda is faster than Bunta and Suuya,so if Suuya try to leave Manda will catch her.

[Vagrant Tom]

Why can't he grow he head back while paralyzed?

Im not saying his bones are indestructable,im saying Nade can't break them.

Nade is strong,but I belive shes not strong enough to break Kimi bones,plus Nade's punches are < Garaa's "Supreme Absolute Defense Sheild of Shukaku"

Kimi can take blows from Nade,he survived Desert Funeral and still almost killed Garra.

Kimi is a bad opponent for Nade and she loses.

Desert funeral doesn't have the same impact as a punch. It is a crushing attack, trying to crush bones. Tsunade will do damage direct to Kimimaro's brain. Kimimaro also cannot heal his head back, he can only manipulate bones. Tsunade's are so forceful they would damage the brain and bypass the bones (they don't have to break the bones themselves).

If everyone uses boss summons Kimimaro is the odd one out. He cannot do anything in that situation. And so it becomes a repeat of the sannin fight before, with Jiraiya and Tsunade winning because Tsunade has the strength to fight with boss summons (thus she was able to stab Manda).

[Filord12]

LOL @ Nade's punches more destructive than Desert Funeral

And it's not going to be the same because Naruto is not there Kimi is big difference.


Vagrant Tom,because of your non-sense,you're on my list,hope I face you at the next tournament

[Vagrant Tom]

Where did I say her punches were more destructive? I'm saying her attacks are different. One is a crushing attack, the other is punch.

How is having bone armour going to stop the impact of the punch? Sure, the armour may not break (I doubt that but for the sake of arguement it won't) but the force will still be there. I could punch you in the head. Yes, your skull hasn't cracked but you could still fall unconscious. Imagine someone with super strength enough to rip appart the eart in a punch. Even if the armour doesn't crack, the force of the hit will still go the brain.

[Gspot]

LOL @ Nade's punches more destructive than Desert Funeral

Why "lol"? You think Godaime Tsunade's monster punches, stated by Oro (an immortal) and Kabuto (a healing prodigy) to be "the end of you if you take one hit", are weaker than pre-skip Gaara's sand, which got hit away by Gai like nothing/couldn't harm Gamabunta's tongue? Sure, Sabaku Kyuu raped Genin... but Tsunade rapes jounin like Shizune by blitzwalking, and creates craters with one finger. Sick Kimimaro, a high jounin, fought pre-skip Gaara equally with everything he had. He would be raped pretty solidly by a Sannin and Hokage, the medical/strength god of the Narutoverse.

[Filord12]

Where did I say her punches were more destructive? I'm saying her attacks are different. One is a crushing attack, the other is punch.

How is having bone armour going to stop the impact of the punch? Sure, the armour may not break (I doubt that but for the sake of arguement it won't) but the force will still be there. I could punch you in the head. Yes, your skull hasn't cracked but you could still fall unconscious. Imagine someone with super strength enough to rip appart the eart in a punch. Even if the armour doesn't crack, the force of the hit will still go the brain.

Nade's punches dosen't have more force than Garaa's Desert Funeral,sorry it just dosen't.

And if somehow Nade's punches have more force than Desert Funeral,and Oro knows how powerful her puches are,he tells Kimi and he can sniper the bitch,or just kill Nade and J-Man together.

Why "lol"? You think Godaime Tsunade's monster punches, stated by Oro (an immortal) and Kabuto (a healing prodigy) to be "the end of you if you take one hit", are weaker than pre-skip Gaara's sand, which got hit away by Gai like nothing/couldn't harm Gamabunta's tongue? Sure, Sabaku Kyuu raped Genin... but Tsunade rapes jounin like Shizune by blitzwalking, and creates craters with one finger. Sick Kimimaro, a high jounin, fought pre-skip Gaara equally with everything he had. He would be raped pretty solidly by a Sannin and Hokage, the medical/strength god of the Narutoverse.

???,ok,I guess??? ummm....The sand that Gai broke through isn't the same as Garaa's supreme defense,it hasn't hardened by Garaa.

And ummm...I don't know if you skip the part where Oro was taking serious blows from Nade then shrugged them off,maybe you did,who knows???

Bunta's tongue??? When did I mention Bunta's tongue???

Equally because of the sickness,Kimi was going to beat Garaa but his sickness kicked in.

Medical/strength God,Sannin,Hokage don't mean shit because she haven't shown me anything but smashy smashy and that's not enough to beat Kimi.

[Vagrant Tom]

Nade's punches dosen't have more force than Garaa's Desert Funeral,sorry it just dosen't.

And if somehow Nade's punches have more force than Desert Funeral,and Oro knows how powerful her puches are he can sniper the bitch,or just kill Nade and J-Man together.

Okay, you just ignored my entire arguement and repeated you last point. I said that the two attacks worked differently, one crushes and one impacts large force at once. One will cause brain damage, the other will not. I'll argue with you again once you understand that not all attacks are the same. Things don't work like a computer game where you have set damage per attack. The two attacks have completely different mechanics.

[Filord12]

Okay, you just ignored my entire arguement and repeated you last point. I said that the two attacks worked differently, one crushes and one impacts large force at once. One will cause brain damage, the other will not. I'll argue with you again once you understand that not all attacks are the same. Things don't work like a computer game where you have set damage per attack. The two attacks have completely different mechanics.

The only difference I see is that Nade's puches deal damage to one specific area and DF deals damage everywhere including the head,if DF didn't give Kimi any brain damage Nade punches wont.

[Watchman]

Kimimaro is way out of his league here, and Tsunade can handle him with a single punch that will, whilst not cracking his armour, cause severe internal trauma.

Orochimaru can't beat both the Sannin by himself, and loses due to Kimimaro being a liability.

[Vagrant Tom]

Okay, let's use the example of a human skull. Inside the skull is the fleshy brain.

If I squeezed your skull (an attack that would be like Gaara's desert funeral) I won't damage the brain until the skull itself is cracked or broken.

If I punch you skull, you can recieve brain damage without the skull breaking. This is because of the momentum and impact of the attack. The shock of the attack will travel through the skull and damage your brain.

You see by crushing you do not produce an impact or a shock. This is why they are different. Kimimaro has bones and these defended him from being crushed, but the bones won't protect from brain damage.

[Filord12]

Alot of people underestimating Kimi,Why?

[Vagrant Tom]

Not underestimation, but he han't shown anything to put him up there with sannin.

[Watchman]

Alot of people underestimating Kimi,Why?

It's not underestimation to say he can't tangle with a Sannin.

[Filord12]

ok we belive different,but what will Nade do against "Finger Bullets"
and "Sawarabi"?

[Watchman]

ok we belive different,but what will Nade do against "Finger Bullets"
and "Sawarabi"?

She can evade Teshi Sendan, and Kimimaro doesn't go Sawarabi no Mai off the bat. He'll be hit (A Tsunade that is in shape is SO much faster than Base Lee) and his brains will be scrambled, long before he even goes into CS1 - don't forget that he only activated the Cursed Seal when he felt he had no other choice.

[Suu]

And ummm...I don't know if you skip the part where Oro was taking serious blows from Nade then shrugged them off,maybe you did,who knows???
Or maybe that was all filler. Read the manga, please, as this is the manga battledome.

Vagrant Tom,because of your non-sense,you're on my list,hope I face you at the next tournament
I lol'd. Hard.

[Vagrant Tom]

If Tsunade did take a wound from Kimimaro, she can always use genesis rebirth, or just heal it the old fasioned way. Either way, Tsunade has tanked multiple stab wounds, some through the heart, she can tank anything Kimimaro has.

As for Sawarabi, her super jump (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/170/15/)solves that one. She jumps so high that boss summons look small.

[Filord12]

I lol'd. Hard.

Why you lol'd??? Who are you???

[Filord12]

If Tsunade did take a wound from Kimimaro, she can always use genesis rebirth, or just heal it the old fasioned way. Either way, Tsunade has tanked multiple stab wounds, some through the heart, she can tank anything Kimimaro has.

As for Sawarabi, her super jump (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/170/15/)solves that one. She jumps so high that boss summons look small.

Her landing???

LOL,I been neg repped about thirty times cause of this

[Vagrant Tom]

far away from the spikes or just inbetween spikes.

[Filord12]

Oh well,this topic getting old,bye

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Jiraiya and Tsunade take this. Kimimaru is simply out of his league here. Also Jiraiya and Tsunade at 100% could defeat Orochimaru.

[Nade]

Tsunade stomps Kimimaro while Jiraiya and Orochimaru say hi.

Tsunade and Jiraiya together rapestomp Orochimaru.

[Dman]

jman can kill oro and if tsunade needs help with kim then jiraiya is there to help.teamwork :amuse

[Roland]

Essentially this fight breaks down to Tsunade vs Kimimaro, since any other combination just lets Orochimaru and Kimimaro's team get beaten rather quickly. If you match Tsunade up against Orochimaru, she has enough healing jutsu and stamina to keep him at bay for quite some time, while Jiraiya against Kimimaro would prove to be quite a quick fight if Jiraiya was fighting to end it.

Anyways, Tsunade vs Kimimaro would surely be in favor of Tsunade. Despite the popular believe that Kimimaro is invunerable because he survived Gaara's attacks doesn't lead me to believe he will survive against Tsunade's. The reason being is that Gaara's attacks, while strong, mainly utilize the pressure of the sand to crush and break the bones of the body. While an excellent offense against most people, Kimimaro is an exception due to his hardened bones and steel like structure. Now, with Tsunade her attacks rely on raw and physical power, remotly different from the form of attacks Gaara was using to fight against Kimimaro. If a punch were to land on him, I believe he may be finished or greatly damaged. Adding on to the fact that Tsunade can either tank hits via Genisis Rebirth or simply dodge Kimimaro's attacks before attacking herself leads me to believe Tsunade wins this bout.

If your not a firm believer of Tsunade>Kimimaro simply by brute force and Genisis Rebirth/Dodging, perhaps another method Tsunade has may change your mind. Tsunade's Ranshinshou (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/164/15/) certainly would prove quite deadly to Kimimaro if it landed on him, in which I believe Tsunade not only has the ability but the speed to do so. Afterwards, Kimimaro will be very vunerable to either acid from Katsuya, which will melt Kimimaro, or a barrage of punches which would dismantle his body.

From that point on, Tsunade and Jiraiya are able to take down Orochimaru, perhaps with Jiraiya beating him one on one. But the outcome of the match is certain, Jiraiya and Tsunade will take this.

[Complete_Ownage]

Jaraiya and Tsunade win this....

It doesnt matter how you match this up. Jaraiya could solo either or. I love kimmi but cmon hes pretty much usuless here.

[the box]

jman and tsunade win

even though oro > jman

tsu>>>>>kimi

and tsu + jman>>>>>>>>>>>>>oro the end jman and tsunade stomp

[Uchiha Mizukage]

Jiraiya & Tsunade FTW Kimmaro was beat by a gennin so im pretty sure is just gonna get in the way

[durtycheese]

jiraiya and tsunade win easily... especially with sick kimmimaro. jiraiya would hold off oro until tsuande wastes kimmimaro. then both take down oro and game over.

[Suu]

I don't see how this should be broken down exclusively to Tsunade vs Kimimaro, since the nature of many of J-man's elemental attacks allows him to hurt multiple opponents. All of his AoE-elemental attacks, and summoning jutsu, and even his Frog Song (if he ever gets the chance to use it) - although he may be aiming for Orochimaru, it is very possible for Kimimaro to get caught in the crossfire.

[Hiruzen]

Jiraiya and Tsunade win easily.

[Matto-sama]

tsunade and jiraiya take this. kimi isnt much of a match-up for a sannin so once he's disposed of both tsunade and jiraiya gang up on oro.

[Watchman]

I don't see how this should be broken down exclusively to Tsunade vs Kimimaro, since the nature of many of J-man's elemental attacks allows him to hurt multiple opponents. All of his AoE-elemental attacks, and summoning jutsu, and even his Frog Song (if he ever gets the chance to use it) - although he may be aiming for Orochimaru, it is very possible for Kimimaro to get caught in the crossfire.

True, it should not be broken down exclusively to Tsunade vs. Kimimaro, but if Jiraiya faces him, with what he's shown, he kills him ridiculously quickly. Blame Jiraiya hype and Tsunade underestimation, but for the majority of the BD, having Jiraiya fight Kimimaro (or anyone under Akatsuki's level of skill) is a complete and total rapestomp.

[Breeze]

Jiraiya and Tsunade win, with pretty ease. As Tsunade handles Kimi, J-man and Oro will be basically heading no were in there's battle then Tsunade comes and Teamwork rapes.

[Cobra]

Jiraiya and Tsunade ftw

[NarutoWinsByDefault]

J-man would pound Oro....If he couldnt Oro wouldve killed him a long time ago...

Tsunade would eventually win over Kimmi, she wont beat him in one shot being his skeleton survived the pressure 200 ft underground.

Oro doesnt have any attacks that would be able to kill Jiraiya...a sword? Jman isnt dying from a sword....He would frog stomach Oro and there would be no way out for him since noone has ever escaped it save itachi.

[Watchman]

J-man would pound Oro....If he couldnt Oro wouldve killed him a long time ago...

Tsunade would eventually win over Kimmi, she wont beat him in one shot being his skeleton survived the pressure 200 ft underground.

Oro doesnt have any attacks that would be able to kill Jiraiya...a sword? Jman isnt dying from a sword....He would frog stomach Oro and there would be no way out for him since noone has ever escaped it save itachi.

Are you fucking serious?

Orochimaru is at least as strong as Jiraiya, possibly stronger, and most of Jiriaya's strong attacks require charging Sennin Modo, something Orochimaru wouldn't give him the chance to do. Kusanagi isn't just "a sword" it's the unblockable sword that pierces through damn near anything.

Frog Stomach? Give me a break. Orochimaru is one of the few who can escape that Jutsu, using Leech All Creation (not to mention Jiraiya can't just summon it out of nowhere, he needs a handy place like a tunnel or corridor to use it offensively.)

Orochimaru can eventually beat Jiraiya (or leave him with such injuries that he will die), but Tsunade added into the mix is too much.

[Ephemere]

IF Kimimaro didnt have his disease Id have to go with him and Oro, but yeah, they could still pull off a win, Im sure, but Oro is going to have some trouble against both of them at once, and I doubt hes going to be able to win. Im not disregarding Kimi at all though, without that disease Im pretty sure he is kage level, I mean a guy with that kind of will power to live has to be insanely strong without it, but if this is just the one that died while facing Lee and Gaara, then Im sure hes going to be the first out of this.

Though, who knows how much more will power he has whilst actually AROUND Oro? I dont, but I still think that Tsunade and Jiraiya would win like six out of ten, but thats just me

[Truepotential]

Lol Kimimaro.

This is essentially Tsunade and Jiraiya Vs Orochimaru, and that's basically a stomp.

[Jαmes]

after what we've seen from jiraiya, i think he and tsunade will take this. even nonbloodlusted, he could practically destroy kimi. oro is no pushover. he'd make it interesting, but i still see him and kimi losing.

[mednin]

I'm going to say Jiriya and Tsunade win.

[Terryc250]

Kimi is overrated, I mean of course he's good for his age, but he' still only about Gaara level, we don't put Gaara up against Jounins let alone Sannins, don't forget diseased Kimi lost to Gaara, and we all know Gai basically bitchslapped Gaaras sand like nothing, now imagine Tsunade instead,

[ZigZag]

I say Jiraiya and Tsunade would win.