no need for religion

[Freeks]

the history of the different religions are all the same: BLOODY.

on the age of knights and kingdoms.the kristians whent out to "defeat" the barbarians. what do you think they did. KILLED... but religion doesent justifie Killing.

but i think i know something. its the ones who interperate the different holy texst that makes the rules. and thats bad. they make the rules for their own winning... or whatever.


one example: 9:11 and after. the reply of 9:11 whas no good either... killing... only killing

in some holy texts, one main rule is: You shall not kill. BUT WTF. we humans are so stupid and would be beter of without religion



GAAAH... im just talking rubish now. dont mind me. im just a cranky dude...

[stomponfrogs]

Umm.. I'm slightly religious, and I've never killed someone for not believing what I believe. I think I'm better off with a religion, actually. It seems like the entire basis of your argument is that religion makes people kill each other, which I completely disagree with. I think of wars as more of a result of humanity, not religion. Humans are going to fight each other for one reason or another, since there will always be close-minded disagreement. Religion is just one of the excuses that people make now. Without it, they would just find another one (excuse).

[Freeks]

Umm.. I'm slightly religious, and I've never killed someone for not believing what I believe. I think I'm better off with a religion, actually. It seems like the entire basis of your argument is that religion makes people kill each other, which I completely disagree with. I think of wars as more of a result of humanity, not religion. Humans are going to fight each other for one reason or another, since there will always be close-minded disagreement. Religion is just one of the excuses that people make now. Without it, they would just find another one (excuse).


probably right. but i still think religion is the main-cause of human suffering

[stomponfrogs]

Well, you could also say that quite a few people wouldn't be as content with their lives without religion. Sorry if I sound kinda arrogant in what I say. I know you are entitled to your opinion, regardless of whether I agree or not. I just wanted to try sharing my thoughts on it. It's all speculation after all, right?

[[I am teh Haruka]]

If everyone tried to get others to stop believing in their faiths, things would go even more wrong than with religion. I know that in my religion (Islam) it says not to kill unless you're in war. And we shouldn't even be in war.

The Muslims who kill for fun aren't even considered Muslims.

But anyways, if people kill over religion, then they need to learn that the world is different and not everyone is the same.

[opium4themasses]

I have perhaps a better explanation. War is fought over limited resources. We fight for land, for money, for oil, and freedom. Religion creates another resource, access to the higher plane/being. This new resource can be the reason for fighting.

So if this is true, religion is not the only reason for war, but it doesn't help. (Also note I said reason not cause, the true cause has more to do with leaders willing to sacrifice their youth for a reason. This reason may or may not be a good reason)

[dont_look_back]

all reliegions SAY peace
all practicers practice war

thats why im an atheist

religion + another religion = war

ps why am i takin r.e ???

[explicitkarma]

probably right. but i still think religion is the main-cause of human suffering

Religion doesn't cause human suffering. Humans cause human suffering.

[skunkworks]

It boils down to the unfortunately inherent greed, and malice humans possess. It's not necessarily religion that causes suffering, but the people who twist it for their own purpose.

[Chidoku]

You can't really blame all religions. Yes, some religions approve of killing for a purpose, and maybe that's a huge part of our problems. Christianity, at least, doesn't approve of killing or any of that. The Bible, if you interpret it (IMO) correctly and use common sense, killing is wrong. Only in the most extreme cases may killing be approved of. However, all should be done to prevent killing unless it's for the greater good. I can't really think of a good example, but maybe take your average shootout movie. There's a criminal who has gone mad, won't be reasoned with, and kills many people. If you and him are alone in a room and he pulls a gun out on you, you have no choice but to shoot him first to prevent your death and many others.

There's a lot to religion that's good. Even if I wonder whether or not there is a God, I'll hold true to my faith anyway. What's wrong with a church? I go to church and find many good people who are very friendly and make a great second family. I also find young children being raised from good teachings, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Scorpio3.14]

Religion has cause way more good in this world then any war over religion. People always seem to remember the crusades, or the many holy wars, but who brings up the thousands of years of churches taking care of the poor, runing homes for orphans, helping people at there worst of times. Its the every day stuff that religion does to bring good in the world. Im not saying that without religion there would not be any of this stuff, but religion is a big part of it. Religious people have done countless things to make this world a better place yet all people want to bring up is the fighting that happens every now and then from people who twist religion.

[Aldredian_Sahn]

Religion has cause way more good in this world then any war over religion. People always seem to remember the crusades, or the many holy wars, but who brings up the thousands of years of churches taking care of the poor, runing homes for orphans, helping people at there worst of times. Its the every day stuff that religion does to bring good in the world. Im not saying that without religion there would not be any of this stuff, but religion is a big part of it. Religious people have done countless things to make this world a better place yet all people want to bring up is the fighting that happens every now and then from people who twist religion.
Religious wars are probably remembered more than the good stuff they produce because they are so outrageous, being far from the truth of that religion. The good stuff is what the religion does and isn't so absurd to catch people's eyes. The crusades were an event carried out by people in power that either completely misunderstood their religion or they used religion to get what they wanted.

If everyone practiced their religions down to the bone, then there wouldn't be these bloody battles, at least Christianity, because the bible teaches tolerance towards everybody. So again, Christian blood baths are a result of
A. Misunderstanding/Lack of Study
B. Using it as a means for power/Not caring about the actual religion.

[[I am teh Haruka]]

People twist their religion around and use it a reason for war.

[Keramachi]

']People twist their religion around and use it a reason for war.Exactly. Just people kill for a religion, it does not mean the murder is condoned by that religion. That's why people should stop bashing Islam. The religion does not support killing in any way, shape, or form. As a Christian, I cannot explain it in detail, so you should ask moe instead, in this thread. (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=11026)

[sasukecopyninja]

if we didnt have religion we'd create it, religion si a way for keep society organized and in a sense ina nd out of control lol

[zionforsell]

I think we all ignore the fact that we are humans.

Religion is a neutral thing. It does not bite anyone. But human beings are not perfect. We used it as a reason, a course, a tool,... whatever and hurt other human beings. The program has no flaws, if there is flaw, it lays in human! That is why we cannot trust religion. Because it was written by human! How can one or ten persons claim what they think is right then apply those rules to others??? I don't think so.

[jkingler]

We used it as a reason, a course, a tool
That is the conclusion I have come to, as well.

I used to blame religion for all the woes of the world, because I am not at all religious and the world's various faiths, taken as a whole, seemed a likely scapegoat.

But, after getting out of my angsty teenage days I realized that religion in and of iteself is not a catalyst for war. Most of the world's religions teach peace, and yet people who wilfully misread holy texts use decontextualized excerpts as excuses for warmongering. The leaders/governments/people go to war--religion is incapable of starting wars by itself.

There are bad people of all denominations, and bad people of no denomination. The same goes for good people. While religion is the banner many a war was fought under, religion is not the cause. If you look deeper and really read the histories, there were other factors, such as land, money, bad blood, and ego. Look at recent history: wars are still waged and religion is not necessary. There are other origins of enmity, such as communism, oil, etc. Religion is merely one of many things people can choose to disagree on.

To say religion is at fault for bloodshed and war is as ignorant a thing as a person can say. Not stupid--ignorant, as in misguided and misinformed. Read more, study history, and listen to both sides to get past your initial assumptions. Religion, like any other tool, can be used for good or for ill, but, in and of itself, as the person above said, it is neutral. I only wish I knew it sooner.

[Killenator]

Religion isn't really the problem, because it isn't real, it's just humanities excuse. The problem is that people have a tribal mindset with an "Us" and a "them" and that means that they create things like religion to have more "us"'s and more "Them"'s.

[Jedi Mind Tricks]

It's not religion that causes suffering, it's the people that are twisting the meaning of religion for their own selfish reasons; whether it be for money or power.

If you look at the the vast majority of those situation, thats what it boils down to.

[Solemn_Thinker]

Religion is necessary for some people. It helps them make sense of the world that they live in, and gives them guidelines for their lives. Like others said before, while wars may be raged in the name of religion, religion rarely is the main reason. It's those who twist the concepts and ideals of a religion for their own good.

[CrazyMoronX]

If a christian is going around killing people because they are not christians as well, then they are obviously not very good christians... A few bad apples and the entire religious wolrd is stained forever I guess...

But I agree, the world doesn't need religion in the classical sense. It boils down to a relationship and belief in God/Jesus that ultimately leads you to heaven, and religion does nothing for you but keep you occupied. But that's only in one aspect of chrsitianity, or what the world marks as christianity.

[mushi]

Religion doesn't cause human suffering. Humans cause human suffering.


that makes the most sense o_O..

people dont go to war because of religion.. they go to war because they want to :blink its also nature.. to fight over land, and stuff.

in relation to the topics title... we do need religion, if we didn't have it billions of people would live life without hope or ambition knowing they will only be saved by people who kill them

[Killenator]

Like I said before. Religion is not good or bad. Religion is nuetral. However a few bad people tend to use religion to control others so it has become bad. Religion is good when good people create it and bad when bad people create it and manipulate it.

Religion is just phillosophy, it has no more basis in causing good or evil than does reading Nietzche. People have turned it to evil, and perhaps for that reason it can never again be a good thing, but don't credit it with a reality it doesn't have. Religion is just what people put into a few empty words. Religion is not evil. Today's religions are controlled by the evil.

[yo586]

religion is not neutral. There are some religions that are much more easily exploited to cause their brainwashed individuals to believe others should be killed.

You will never see a devout Buddhist call in the name of his religion, but you are gonna see plenty of Jews, Christians, Muslims do it. There is just more of a suggestion towards that.

[Killenator]

religion is not neutral. There are some religions that are much more easily exploited to cause their brainwashed individuals to believe others should be killed.

You will never see a devout Buddhist call in the name of his religion, but you are gonna see plenty of Jews, Christians, Muslims do it. There is just more of a suggestion towards that.

I was speaking about the idea of religion as a whole. Individual religions are not the same.

[Heldensheld]

MAybe it's God's test on us humans?

[zeoblade]

the history of the different religions are all the same: BLOODY.

on the age of knights and kingdoms.the kristians whent out to "defeat" the barbarians. what do you think they did. KILLED... but religion doesent justifie Killing.

but i think i know something. its the ones who interperate the different holy texst that makes the rules. and thats bad. they make the rules for their own winning... or whatever.


one example: 9:11 and after. the reply of 9:11 whas no good either... killing... only killing

in some holy texts, one main rule is: You shall not kill. BUT WTF. we humans are so stupid and would be beter of without religion



GAAAH... im just talking rubish now. dont mind me. im just a cranky dude...

To kill or not to kill is the question and creativity in one's reason will affect if you need to kill or not. The reason for war is peace and neither component can live without the other. However I am a pacificist, as extremely violent I can be, I choose non-violence in the end. If it can be done without death then that is the way we must choose. Don't try to justifify a reason to kill because either you are too weak or too lazy.

[Twizted]

Let me say this. There is no need for organized religion. I think that everyone should believe in something, be it Jesus, Allah, or the Sun. Whats important is that everyone have faith in something. That being said, I think that everyone should individually find that something on their own, and not told what to believe by some guy in a white robe 10,000 miles away. ;)

[meekozy]

But you have to think, most athieset(sp?) don't believe in god and don't have someone to limit their capability, so if there is no religion, everyone are atiesets and the world would go to hell

[nirvanainanutshell]

i am not saying the religion is wrong but i am recently athiest and life hasnt changed for me accept my freinds tell me to beleive in god.

[Louis-954]

But you have to think, most athieset(sp?) don't believe in god and don't have someone to limit their capability, so if there is no religion, everyone are atiesets and the world would go to hell
Prove it. With scientific evidence and in-disputable proof that there even is a hell, let alone that everyone in the world would go there just for not believing.

Freewill people, freewill ^^ think about the true meaning of it before you talk. If we have freewill that must mean Atheism is a part of gods plan as well since he created freewill and what peole would do with it. Now why would he punish an Athiest that he created, and send him to hell knowing all a long what his plan for this person was? For shits and giggles I guess right? I believe in god and all but if hes anything like that then fuck him ill become an Athiest.

Oh and about wars and shit, while I dont think religion plays a major part in it, its still there causing some of it(By the manipulation of people of course). Human beings have been fighting since the beggining of time(mainly the middle east) we wont see a change for a long time and we may never.

[Aecen]

But you have to think, most athieset(sp?) don't believe in god and don't have someone to limit their capability, so if there is no religion, everyone are atiesets and the world would go to hell

Even if this was true, how could you say the world would be worse? turn on the news, religion gives people the right to genocide, cut off peoples heads, destroy an entire ethnic race, all in the name of god. Would it really get worse? Who knows....

[Shiron]

But you have to think, most athieset(sp?) don't believe in god and don't have someone to limit their capability, so if there is no religion, everyone are atiesets and the world would go to hell What do you mean by the world would go to hell? That there would be massive amounts of crime going on everywhere? Cause in that case, us atheists have morals too, you know, even if they're from a different source then your's are. Because of that, there's no real way to know if the world would become worse or not, unless one of us somehow sees it happen.

[Louis-954]

What do you mean by the world would go to hell? That there would be massive amounts of crime going on everywhere? Cause in that case, us atheists have morals too, you know, even if they're from a different source then your's are. Because of that, there's no real way to know if the world would become worse or not, unless one of us somehow sees it happen.

Thing about religion is that they see any non-believer who argues them with scientific evidence and proof as being close-minded. Some of them just cant/wont admit the fact they have lost the arguement and cant prove their case. In reality many of them are the close-minded ones and not the athiests.

[Hoon ♥]

probably right. but i still think religion is the main-cause of human suffering
you think suffering is bad? but of coarse

but dont you also think good things can come out of bad

[Giovanni Rild]

People need to see that religion didn't cause anything, the followers did. The atheists who think the world won't miss religion's veiws are very wrong.
religion is a big part of the world culture and has been that way for a long time.

Most practitioners of religion don't need hard fact to believe, and most true believers don't not behave like not the fanatics commonly shown on the news.

I get sick of certain people bringing up bias garbage about the Cursades for the sole purpose of trashing christianity

Religion isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Adonis]

That is the conclusion I have come to, as well.

I used to blame religion for all the woes of the world, because I am not at all religious and the world's various faiths, taken as a whole, seemed a likely scapegoat.

But, after getting out of my angsty teenage days I realized that religion in and of iteself is not a catalyst for war. Most of the world's religions teach peace, and yet people who wilfully misread holy texts use decontextualized excerpts as excuses for warmongering. The leaders/governments/people go to war--religion is incapable of starting wars by itself.

There are bad people of all denominations, and bad people of no denomination. The same goes for good people. While religion is the banner many a war was fought under, religion is not the cause. If you look deeper and really read the histories, there were other factors, such as land, money, bad blood, and ego. Look at recent history: wars are still waged and religion is not necessary. There are other origins of enmity, such as communism, oil, etc. Religion is merely one of many things people can choose to disagree on.

To say religion is at fault for bloodshed and war is as ignorant a thing as a person can say. Not stupid--ignorant, as in misguided and misinformed. Read more, study history, and listen to both sides to get past your initial assumptions. Religion, like any other tool, can be used for good or for ill, but, in and of itself, as the person above said, it is neutral. I only wish I knew it sooner.

^I agree. Even as an atheist, I find it dishonest to cite two/three examples of religion-based violence then try to act like religion is the bane of the Earth. I don't like religion, but I accept that most relgions are passive, personal, and even beneficial. Last time I checked, the Crusades were back in like the 1000s. Why are we acting like it's the contemporary execution of religion?

Deal with it, people. Like me, you may not like the superstitious and brainwashing beliefs of religion, but to act like religion is the sole reason for suffering is.... asinine.

[JokerDemon]

I'm not one of those hardcore Christians, hence how liberal I am. But the reason I do not go to church is because I'd rather practice my religion in my home. Reasons for this are:

Too many Christians claim to be so good and so holy, but they are the exact opposite. They misread the bible, turn the bible around to fit their purposes, and they're just a bunch of fakes that claim to love Jesus so they don't have to suffer a horrible afterlife that is probably not even here. They smother people with their views, which is annoying b/c of the horrible Christian stereotype I recieve.

That being said, I do not point to a Christian out of the blue and say "Eww, homophobe!" Put they are the reason for all the pain out there.

Well not all the pain. But all of the religious- related pain. Because they twist the bible to say what they want to say. God said you don't have to fight for him; he can fight his own battles. You should just be by his side and not betray him. But, here go his idiotic followers that dirty their hands for no reason.

To say everything shortly, it's not the religion; it's the followers.

[Hoon ♥]

^ dont make it sound like all christians are like that

[JokerDemon]

^ dont make it sound like all christians are like that
I apologize. Not all Christians are like that, because I am not. That is the stereotype the misunderstanding Christians have selfishly created, expecting every christian to act the same way.

But who's fault is it for wars over religions? God didn't start it; the followers did. Therefore, (as weird as it may sound) if we had a follower-less religion, there would be no religious wars.

[FrostXian]

If I kill someone it'll be because of personal issues or it, not religion.

[MartialHorror]

Yes, its the people who follow it.

Atheists so far have killed more people in their short 100 years of being recognized than Christians in theirs.
Im not slamming Atheism or Atheists, but it goes to show if you have a belief strong enough, you can kill for it.

If its not religion, its politics, if not politics, its something else.

People love death I guess....

[Hoon ♥]

I apologize. Not all Christians are like that, because I am not. That is the stereotype the misunderstanding Christians have selfishly created, expecting every christian to act the same way.

But who's fault is it for wars over religions? God didn't start it; the followers did. Therefore, (as weird as it may sound) if we had a follower-less religion, there would be no religious wars.
but still, not going to church is a little extreme
maybe you should attend another church

[JokerDemon]

but still, not going to church is a little extreme
maybe you should attend another church
But they won't let me in, because I'm liberal! Aren't they anti-gay and pro-life?

[Shiron]

Yes, its the people who follow it.

Atheists so far have killed more people in their short 100 years of being recognized than Christians in theirs.
Im not slamming Atheism or Atheists, but it goes to show if you have a belief strong enough, you can kill for it.

If its not religion, its politics, if not politics, its something else.

People love death I guess....
Except that none of those atheists have killed in the name of atheism, which is why your comparison of communism to the Crusades fail; whether or not they were following the religion correctly (which only comes down to interpreation and who's to say who's interpretation of the Bible is really correct?), those Christians killed in the name of Chistianity durring the Crudades, while communists have never killed in the name of atheism, but just with the intent of spreading communism... Your whole Communism/Atheists and Crusades comparison is really getting annoying. Yes, of course atheists have killed, no one denies that, but extremely few have actually killed in the name of atheism, unlike Christians, Muslims, ect.

[roadburner]

Firstly,ahem, religion is a way of life. We all need it.
This is how it began, this life, here on Earth.

The Ultimate Creator of life brought Humans to existence.
All Life created by the Creator praises the Creator because of his high-handedness and immense mercy and beauty of his creation. (common logic)

Humans were the most free-willed creatures of all existence.
So as to control the greed,lust, etc. and other desires and to keep the true human life to praise the Creator, the Creator taught the humans how to praise him.

As humans evolved due to their ignorance to their Creator, they wandered off from him and engaged in what u see now. So as human beings evolved, the Creator's teachings of how to praise him evolved too.

Since we are the ultimate beings,as in most superior, we fell in love....with ignorance. So we found ways other than how it is prrescribed to us.
We worship the Creator how "we" choose although we dont have that authority of doing so. Meaning that it is not us who can define methods to praise the Creator,if we would had that authority, there would be about 7 billion religions now.

Religion is not the problem. Religions are.One being the truth.
Why do people fight for religion ? Some to defend the values when the values of their religion are opressed,some just want to wring out their hatred against another religion etc.

If religion wasnt there, we would cease to exist, we would have no laws (where do u think america's main constitution comes from). we would have killed each other long time back.

Religion is a code of life in which we sync our worldly life and the praising of the Creator together.

All these current theories that have arisen of how life started bla bla are only there because people have too much time on their hand to sit and devise soemthing which suits someone or the other.

Praise the Creator, and yes there is only one way to praise him.
Islam the last revelation, the last document of law set by the Creator.
I dont care what muslims do, kill or grill or hate or shoot.

The true religion is indeed very pure.
It makes sense in anyway possible however you look at it from.I am not saying it in a sense of biasness but from looking at the life of Muhammed (s.A.s).
FYI: Muslim means Submission to the Creator.

Read it and you would know.
Its not that i dont care, its coz i care i say.

(part 2 later)


religion = way of life

[ku1jt]

Common sense is better than religion.

[Shiron]

Firstly,ahem, religion is a way of life. We all need it. I seem to be doing just fine without it. And if it's just a way of life, then why do we all need it? Those two sentences contradict each other.

[JokerDemon]

I seem to be doing just fine without it. And if it's just a way of life, then why do we all need it? Those two sentences contradict each other.
Having no religion is indeed a form of religion, in my opinion.

[Hoon ♥]

@shiron: i think hes saying that we all have our beliefs

[roadburner]

Shiron,you exist in a place which was created by religion, the laws governed were created by people who took it from some religion.

If for instance you lived in a region, lets say papua new guinea, u wont be sittin easily.
My point being Tolerance is only taught by religion, ignorance is taught by oneself

>>>EDIT: This country where you live is a mixture of variious religions, many ways of llife coexist.

In a place where one way is followed,lets say for conversation sake they are completely disconnected from the world, then introducing a new method without solid autority would be like puffin O2 into fire :p

[Charlie]

whether or not there's religion, there would still be sufferings and pain. there would always be evil people anyway, just as there would always be good ones.

[AstraeaX]

i hate the way religion is exploited in both society and politics- its personal and thats how it should stay. No one needs to start wars, become hostile just because a country claims to favor a religion...governments should be unbiased and secular.

[Hoon ♥]

^ its easier said than done

[escamoh]

Well like everyone has already stated, religon preaches peace and tolerance and all that good stuff. But of course there's the greedy bastards who use it to further their own goals and usually brainwash other people into thinking that what they do is right.

So I guess religon has it's positives and negatives.

[MartialHorror]

Except that none of those atheists have killed in the name of atheism, which is why your comparison of communism to the Crusades fail; whether or not they were following the religion correctly (which only comes down to interpreation and who's to say who's interpretation of the Bible is really correct?), those Christians killed in the name of Chistianity durring the Crudades, while communists have never killed in the name of atheism, but just with the intent of spreading communism... Your whole Communism/Atheists and Crusades comparison is really getting annoying. Yes, of course atheists have killed, no one denies that, but extremely few have actually killed in the name of atheism, unlike Christians, Muslims, ect.

On who is interpreting the religion correctly, Christ does flat out say "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword" and the sermon on the mount was pretty clea.r

My point was mainly that "no religion" and "religion" aren't any different, because then we'd be killing eachother over politics, or something of the like.
It wasnt meant to be an attack on Atheism.

And Communism is generally driven by Atheism, or secularism at least. Hence, they can go hand in hand. Generally though, Id blame the Communists for their crimes and not Atheists, but I use it anyway because everyone seems to intent on blaming Christianity for the crusades(Despite it was actually the Muslims who started it..which seems to be ignored)

Obviously you don't know alot about the crusades, but oh well......people like to be kept in the dark I guess.

[cygnus]

First, to address the OP.
No, I don't think we need religion.

Religion DEFn: 'a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny'

So no, not believing in a god is not "your religion" and not everyone has a religion.

I don't think there should be any religious groups. You shouldn't put a title on your beliefs, but I know that will never happen. Religious groups have too much power.

I think everyone should craft their own beliefs and I don't think that there is a need for them to be expressed vocally. If you are too dumb to get to the stage of wondering about the creation of the earth, there is no need for someone to suggest something to you. - the story of religious power.

We make our own destiny.

[angelchick]

In the past people have created wars in the name of religion, but usually not becuase of it. If there was no religion, then they would of started wars in the name of another reason. You dont have to believe in a religion to use it for an excuse to start a war so that you can take somebody else stuff. I dont believe that the world would be a better place without religion, I think that it would be about the same or worse. Athiest aren't perfect, far from it, just like everybody else. It's absurd to believe that without religion the world would be a perfect place. As long as every person is unique, and as long as every person has the urge inside of them to think about themselves first, yeah, there are going to be issues.

[narutosushi]

Well my family is from India and 90% of people are Hindu a different religion but luckily I turned out to be Christian

[Char-Aznable]

There are wars and there will always be wars. Why can't people comprehend that? God as you all call him don't start wars, the idea of god influences them and causes man to kill each other. Now not all wars are religiously based but a good portion of them are. If not for religion for land or money. Religion is a disease that spread long ago when people began to question their exsistence. "The Creator" HA! A fools theory. Man has outgrown religion with facts, science and truth. Yet there are those who can't grow up, who refuse to let go of a false ideal. They live how they are told, lving a lie I say. but let them I say, live your lie, if you are truly content with life in servitude. Take a good look at the world, Religion is killing it.

[MartialHorror]

There are wars and there will always be wars. Why can't people comprehend that? God as you all call him don't start wars, the idea of god influences them and causes man to kill each other. Now not all wars are religiously based but a good portion of them are. If not for religion for land or money. Religion is a disease that spread long ago when people began to question their exsistence. "The Creator" HA! A fools theory. Man has outgrown religion with facts, science and truth. Yet there are those who can't grow up, who refuse to let go of a false ideal. They live how they are told, lving a lie I say. but let them I say, live your lie, if you are truly content with life in servitude. Take a good look at the world, Religion is killing it.

lol, this is a pretty pathetic post. You don't even seem to know what you're talking about. You say at one point that if not religion, it would be for something else, but then say how religion is killing the world........

And no, man has not outgrown religion. It has outgrown YOUR weak perception of religion. To me, religion and science can work together nicely if you are open minded enough. Keep in mind, I believe in Evolution and such yet am still religious. Hence, you are wrong. You need to widen your perception on things MUCH more.