Tsunade/Kakashi vs Sarutobi/Chiyo

[Roland]

The reigning Hokage and a strong cantidate to become the 6th Hokage against the former Hokage and one of the sand's finest, despite them both being old. Will age effect this battle? Who comes out on top?

BattleField: Team Gai vs Kisame Glutch (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/255/16/)

Starting Distance: 45 meters

Restrictions/Rules
Tsunade doesn't have use of Katsuya
Sarutobi can use Enma, but only in staff form.

[Hiruzen]

Hmm... no Katsuyu. Sarutobi can probably take Tsunade then. Enma is indestructible, an Tsunade has nothing to block it. And then, I think Sarutobi and Chiyo can take Kakashi.

Sarutobi/Chiyo take this with minor-mid difficulty.

[Mégas Strategos]

Sarutobi not restricted Shiki Fujin?

[Roland]

Sarutobi not restricted Shiki Fujin?

Restrictions/Rules
Tsunade doesn't have use of Katsuya
Sarutobi can use Enma, but only in staff form.

[Mégas Strategos]

I could see Sarutobi and Chiyo taking this if Chiyo's puppets are poisoned. Sarutobi was impressive against Oro considering his old age and old age doesn't really affect a puppeteer (the puppets are doing the fighting).

[TasteTheDifference]

Tsunade is superior to Sarutobi by quite a fair amount. Essentially Sarutobi's offensive ranged ninjutsu are limited to techniques that Tsunade should be able to elude or even withstand directly. I doubt that a B ranked Katon or his not particularly impressive Kage Bunshin Shuriken Jutsu would prove much of a hindrance to someone who should be among the best at avoiding attacks in the whole manga. If he tries to attack head on with Enma, it's likely that Tsunade can again either dodge, or in-fact simply catch Enma with her gigantic strength and disarm her teacher. Close range combat is impossible for Sarutobi in this situation. Even if attempts Shiki Fuujin, Tsunade would finish him off with a single strike, long before it was prepared. Most likely Tsunade would win by putting Sarutobi off balance quickly with a blow to the ground and then attack directly.

At the same time Kakashi should be able to hold off Chiyo, with either of them having a chance at victory. Kakashi has the advantage of suiton suijinheki to tie up the Mother and Father puppets and could try and pin Chiyo with tracking fang, denying her the use of her puppets. Tsunade should have defeated Sarutobi before that happens though, and the two of them together can defeat the ten puppets.

If the match ups are switched it wouldn't make much difference, team Chiyo have a weakness in Sarutobi, who is simply not as strong as the other three.

[Creator]

Tsunade and Kakashi wins this. :oh

Sarutobi is probably the greastest Hokage in his prime, but when he died against Oro, he was a shell of a man. :oh

[Nade]

Post-Kakashi can take Old Sarutobi, I'd say.

Tsunade is literally Chiyo's worst nightmare.

I'd give this to the Konoha duo.

[Suu]

Tsunade is superior to Sarutobi by quite a fair amount. Essentially Sarutobi's offensive ranged ninjutsu are limited to techniques that Tsunade should be able to elude or even withstand directly. I doubt that a B ranked Katon or his not particularly impressive Kage Bunshin Shuriken Jutsu would prove much of a hindrance to someone who should be among the best at avoiding attacks in the whole manga. If he tries to attack head on with Enma, it's likely that Tsunade can again either dodge, or in-fact simply catch Enma with her gigantic strength and disarm her teacher. Close range combat is impossible for Sarutobi in this situation. Even if attempts Shiki Fuujin, Tsunade would finish him off with a single strike, long before it was prepared. Most likely Tsunade would win by putting Sarutobi off balance quickly with a blow to the ground and then attack directly.

At the same time Kakashi should be able to hold off Chiyo, with either of them having a chance at victory. Kakashi has the advantage of suiton suijinheki to tie up the Mother and Father puppets and could try and pin Chiyo with tracking fang, denying her the use of her puppets. Tsunade should have defeated Sarutobi before that happens though, and the two of them together can defeat the ten puppets.

If the match ups are switched it wouldn't make much difference, team Chiyo have a weakness in Sarutobi, who is simply not as strong as the other three.
Saves me having to post. :beer

In the Tsunade vs Sarutobi thread, I already proved that Tsunade doesn't even need Katsuyu to defeat Sarutobi, Enma or no Enma.

Additionally, in the Tsunade vs Chiyo thread, I also proved Tsunade has quite a good chance against Chiyo even if she doesn't have Katsuyu.

Throw Kakashi into the fray, and stick him on Chiyo, and Tsunade/Kakashi will win.

[Dman]

sarutobi can take tsunade and chiyo could most likely win against kakashi.

[Truepotential]

Chiyo..is like ...Kage level.

Kakashi can probably deal with Ma and Pa puppets with moderate difficulty, but once Shiro Higi is out....it's muthafucking over. To make matters worse, Sharingan doesn't even WORK on puppets. With shiro higi, Kakashi is not having time to charge his MS, and he's basically screwed at this point.

Sarutobi was fighting toe to toe Orochimaru in taijutsu especially with Enma, so I don't know why are people saying Tsunade will wtfpwn him. I think Sarutobi can hold her off for Chiyo to help him.

[Tasmanian Tiger]

Sarutobi? He solos.





maybe not but with help of Chiyo's 10 puppets and poison. Team Sarutobi win.

[Nade]

To be truthful, Orochimaru was toying with Sarutboi completely. Up until he summoned the Death God, that is. There is also the argument that Tsunade's taijutsu is better then Orochimaru's. Sarutobi just doesn't have the moves that it would take to kill Tsunade.

[Munboy Dracule O'Brian]

The reigning Hokage and a strong cantidate to become the 6th Hokage against the former Hokage and one of the sand's finest, despite them both being old. Will age effect this battle? Who comes out on top?

BattleField: Team Gai vs Kisame Glutch (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/255/16/)

Starting Distance: 45 meters

Restrictions/Rules
Tsunade doesn't have use of Katsuya
Sarutobi can use Enma, but only in staff form.

I think Tsunade and Kakashi take this with lots of effort.

Tsunade has knowledge on Sarutobi, and Kakashi knows Chiyo is just a puppeteer, whereas Sarutobi should have knowledge on Tsunade and little knowledge on Kakashi except what is known world wide i.e Raikiri, Chiyo just knows Tsunade is a medical ninja and that Kakashi has the Sharingan and is the son of Sakumo Hatake.

Advantages

Tsunade can heal her and Kakashi's injuries, and Kakashi has proven that he can use Suiton jutsu w/o a source, and he has copied various jutsu like Itachi's Katon and Zabuza's mist which would(save Zabuza's mist since Tsunade can't see in it and has no way on finding her opponent) and now he can use Raikiri 6 times with double Raikiris(2 Raikiri in both hands) counting as one.

Sarutobi and Chiyo they have some but I cannot be bothered to type.


This is how I see the match going with everyone in character.

First Kakashi would activate his Sharingan (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000012/naruto_v02_ch012_092.jpg).

Then Chiyo would use a bunch of kunai (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000264/16.jpg) with chakra strings attached (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000264/17.jpg) then Sarutobi would help by using Shuiken Kage Bunshin(in this case Kunai Kage Bunshin) on the Kunai (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume13.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=36791).

Kakashi will then use Suiton: Water Vortex jutsu (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume2.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30269) to get rid of the Kunai threat and to try and get Sarutobi and Chiyo with it, but Sarutobi will respond by using Doton: Earth wall (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume14.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38106) to defend him and Chiyo which will work since Suiton is weak against Doton.

Then Sarutobi will use his Katon: Dragon Fire Ball (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume14.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=40807), then Kakashi could counter by using Suiton: Water Wall. (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume37.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41334)

Then Kakashi would open the 1st (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume111.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=26888) gate (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/volume111.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=26889) then he would tell Tsunade his plan then use Suiton: Water Dragon (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume2.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30262) as predicted Sarutobi would use Doton: Mud Wall (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume14.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=38106), then Kakashi will make 2 Kage Bunshins (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000315/04.jpg) then the real Kakashi and Kage Bunshin of them go underground via Doton: Head Hunter jutsu (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30121).

Then the Kage Bunshin that remained will Henge into Tsunade, then both of them will charge at Chiyo and Sarutobi(the goal being to separate them), then she'll get her medical blades(like the ones Kabuto uses).

Then Chiyo would attach her chakra strings to Sarutobi, after that Sarutobi will charge for Tsunade, then the fake Tsunade aka Kakashi KB III will run into Sarutobi holding him down like this (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000260/09.jpg) possible since Kakashi used the first gate and the 1st gate increases the users strength 5x then usual.

Then Tsunade will Shunshin to Chiyo, before Chiyo pulls her chakra strings back this happens (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000260/05.jpg)(except it will hit), then by then Tsunade should be there and then Tsunade will use Ranshinsho (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000164/15.jpg) on Chiyo.

Chiyo will try to move but then fall down, then Kakashi will use Raikiri like this to end Chiyo but Chiyo will not die w/o pulling Sarutobi out of the Kakashi KB's arms (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume38.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=42405).

Then Sarutobi will charge at the Kakashi KB and do (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000120/13.jpg) this (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000120/14.jpg) which should end it.

Then he will summon Enma (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000120/08.jpg) who will go into staff form (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000120/09.jpg).


Upon realizing w/o his comrade and due to his age that he cannot beat Tsunade and Kakashi's team work he will make a Kage Bunshin (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000122/11.jpg) and then make the seals for Shiki-fuujin (http://img45.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000122/12.jpg), But in the middle of making those seals Kakashi would use Doton: Earth Tracking Fang (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume4.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30664) on Sarutobi which in turn will destroy his KBs, then Tsunade will then run at Enma, but then Kakashi's other KB will pop up and then Enma will stretch to try and take out the KB and Tsunade simultaneously, he'll take out the KB but will fly away when Tsunade punches him(though she'll have a nasty cut in her hand which she'll heal with ease).

Then Kakashi will get (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume4.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30670) Raikiri (http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/rvolume4.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=30671), then Run to impale Sarutobi which will work.

Thats how Tsunade and Kakashi win.

I actually thin Sarutobi could have pushed Kakashi to use the Mangekyou Sharingan and even might have won if Enma wasn't limited to staff form.

[Gspot]

My vote goes absolutely to soon-to-be-revealed-as-a-goddam-monster-Tsunade and Kakashi, even without Katsuyu. I don't think Chiyo is Kage-level... I would put her as high jounin. Her being matched up with Sasori was so lucky and perfect, it was like winnin the lottery. Against Tsunade, who Chiyo indirectly admitted could basically render her useless, Chiyo would probably be killed quickly in this battle by a direct Tsunade blitz or Kakashi Raikiri-run.

Sarutobi is strong, but let's be real - even his impressive elemental ninjutsu isn't going to accomplish anything against Tsunade and Kakashi, who can block, evade, counter, etc. Enma is a great overall asset that could defeat Kakashi if handled perfectly, but I don't see that happening with Tsunade around. I also don't see how Enma could defeat Tsunade.

[Hamaru]

Tsunade and Kakashi takes this. Old Sarutobi won't take many hits from Tsunade without getting his neck broken and Kakashi should be able to beat Chiyo.

[Rescuebear]

There is also the argument that Tsunade's taijutsu is better then Orochimaru's.
I dunno, all three sannin seemed to have a powerful grasp on Taijutsu. Tsunade and Orochimarus Taijutsu are just different, Oro is more about speed and agility, where as Tsunade is about landing a fatally powerful 1 hit Ko.
However Sarutobis Taijutsu was above both of them, Oro had to wait for him to grow far past his prime and use his most powerful Jutsu to even get an advantage on Sarutobi.

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

lol Tsunade :zaru Sarutobi solo's he was Tsunade's :zaru sensei so he has a through analysis of her fighting style. lol Kakashi who couldnt even do anything to Oro whom Saru fought equally :zaru.

[Nikushimi]

Sarutobi solos. Kakashi is pretty much fodder in this fight, and Tsunade has shown nothing to compare herself to Orochimaru+Edo Tensei.

Chiyo is just horrible overkill.