Underestimated/Overestimated characters

[Shoddragon]

Just a list of underestimated/overestimated characters. Feel free to add some.

Underestimated:

Post EL ZOro with shuusui (:mad)

Mr.1 ( being made of steel is a huge advantage, even some of the higher tiers cannot harm him). He is also good against blueno hax because pulling him into a doa doa dimension would be hard ( being made entirely of steel makes him EXTREMELY heavy), and a shigan would not pierce.

Don Krieg : he helped people win a few matches, and at his points he is pretty good. Helped beat Teach's Luffy combo ( I think post el and pre EL luffy) easily.
ALso was a good cover for a few Lucci's/my Zoro.

Post EL Usopp ( or pre el? cannot remember. its the one strawhat used): helped strawhat win the tournament. also allows for creative strategies.



Overestimated:

Rob D. Lucci. The whole silly argument that Blueno could not make Lucci fall into the doa doa dimension because of the mix up between Mass and tekkai ( tekkai makes one tough and hard, but not immovable). ALso the whole thing with apoo and grossly overestimating Lucci compared to post EL Zoro.

Blueno: ALthoguh with hax powers, some people did well against blueno teams. BLuneo is OVERESTIMATED because he is bad against Mr.1 for example, I doubt a shigan would pierce Mr.1's steel body ( shigan basically= a bullet, and I doubt a bullet would pierce Mr.1), and even rankyaku would have trouble harming him. A good team with lets say a post EL luff with gear 2 and an usopp with his dials would make for a great team, luffy with a flash dial could stop blueno and such. A raise in Blueno's points would allow for a bit more fair play because the whole doa doa shigan garbage combined with people like usopp is a bit unfair.

[StrawHat4Life]

I agree with most of what you said except for Mr. 1. I think that a well placed shigan could hurt him, maybe not pierce him but it'll definitely hurt him imo. A shigan from Lucci, would definitely pierce him though.

I would also add that Robin can tend to be overestimated as well.

[Shoddragon]

I agree with most of what you said except for Mr. 1. I think that a well placed shigan could hurt him, maybe not pierce him but it'll definitely hurt him imo. A shigan from Lucci, would definitely pierce him though.

I would also add that Robin can tend to be overestimated as well.

yes but as with my match with shadowlord, if lucci is up against for example against MR.1 AND someone like post EL zoro, its extreme trouble. BLueno cannot pierce Mr.1. Lucci is different as his douriki is nearly 5 times blueno's, so we can say his physical strength is probably around that much higher too. But MR.1 is a steal as his number of points because his steel body is effective against many people.

[Kuya]

Lucci without Tekkai beat both of my Jyabura who can move with Tekkai and Blueno with his Hax Powers at the same time.

[Dracule Mihawk]

I think most underrated is Pre EL Ussop at 5 points. He's a complete steal. I think Lucci is overrated. He's good but he isn't THAT good. I think Kaku/Jyabura are slightly underrated in a battle.

[Vagrant Tom]

I don't think Don Krieg is underestimated. He was used to a great degree of success in the tournament. I don't think Zoro was underestimated really. Perhpas Lucci was overestimated though.

[Captain Apoo]

ALso the whole thing with apoo and grossly overestimating Lucci compared to post EL Zoro.

:laugh


Lucci can beat Jyabura and Kaku simultaneously
Lucci is smart to Blueno's tactics and Devil Fruit and can beat him and Moria at the same time.
I believe that Lucci could also take care of current Zoro, but that's just me.


If anything Lucci is underestimated because of a hard fought loss to Luffy whereas Zoro didn't expend himself as much vs Kaku, and so Lucci tends to be underrated when compared to Zoro.

[Shoddragon]

Lucci during enies lobby is different from lucci during the tournament. Lucci doesn't just kill everyone. ALso post el zoro is faster and stronger than jyabura and blueno so thats kind of moot.

I am just saying zoro is being a bit downplayed. Also when I say underestimated, I mean noone in this tournament really thought Don Krieg would be that effective. BLueno is overestimated because someone with a good enough strategy and fast/strong enough characters and murder a team that tries to focus around blueno. but now that he is banned (:mad) its kinda not anyone's problem anymore.

[SomeMangaFan]

1.Post Zoro is a beast and just seeing an opponent say "spam 108 pound cannons" means your going to be screwed unless you have Lucci to compete with him since Luffy cant slice air. Also Im thankful with how Zoro wasnt picked by too many people because his durability feats would give him gross overestimation for a desperate debator. Seriously just look at what some people will say on him in the battledome.

2.I think Mr.1 is a great character, but using him in a match will easily lead to many debates too and his metal body will have tons of people fussing over what he can and cant tank, like how Luffy punches wont hurt him and shigan wont pierce him. (they wouldnt pierce but they would hurt like hell)

3.Krieg is basically taken by someone because they want to interigate his poison ability into the strategy somehow and his Exploding spear could be tricky against other low point characters. Hes not underestimated though because anyone who can blow the gas away (Zoro, Cp9) can avoid it. Also if a team has knowledge on Krieg the gas is even less of a threat depending on who you have.

4.Pre EL Usopp is only a steal because he carries dials, other than that he is a fodder killer/ fodder fighter.

5.Lucci is quite frankly, the most well rounded character in the tournament, even if he is overestimated. He has great strength, a huge array of techniques, great durability, and good knowledge/intuition. Zoro doesnt have his level of technique and speed while Luffy doesnt have his range, making him the most well rounded fighter of the tier list.

6.The problem with Blueno is that people who use him are smart and know how effective he can be with many characters. Blueno's cost is a big issue with him as he cant hang with anybody 30+ points except Moria maybe. He's somewhat balanced but its just that so many people used him that he became too tiresome and troublesome and matches just seemed like "Im going to beat Blueno by doing such and such".

Personally I think Foxy is a very broken character if used right and was somewhat underestimated. If the other team has no knowledge of him, their going to be in a nasty suprise with Noro Noro beams slowing them down. Once an enemy is Noro Noro'd, this gives you one of two HUGE advantages:
-You get 30 seconds to attack the enemy team without having to worry about a character, and with the speed OP characters fight at, thats ALOT of time depending on your strategy.
-the enemy is completly open to being demolished by your higher tier fighter, and CP9 memebers cant tekkai their way into surviving a barrage of attacks and/or stabs and cuts.
Really Im suprised Foxy wasnt abused enough in the last tourney.

Other notes:
-Ryumma is a beast at fighting, and he can pretty much beat anybody 35 points or lower in a one on one. (excluding maybe Sanji w/ DJ)
-Franky's Coup De Vent and building skills are underestimated.
-Post EL Sanji didnt get a chance to shine in this tourney when he clearly has the power to rape opposing teams.

I would also like to point out that speed difference between different tiers of characters or characters from different arcs gets in the way of many strategys working, and I think this is a factor of why a Crocodile team would have an extremly hard time making it through when the difference of Arcs make people say he cant keep up with anybody from EL and beyond at all.

[Kuya]

:laugh


Lucci can beat Jyabura and Kaku simultaneously
Lucci is smart to Blueno's tactics and Devil Fruit and can beat him and Moria at the same time.
I believe that Lucci could also take care of current Zoro, but that's just me.


If anything Lucci is underestimated because of a hard fought loss to Luffy whereas Zoro didn't expend himself as much vs Kaku, and so Lucci tends to be underrated when compared to Zoro.

In your honest opinion, Zoro vs. Jyabura and Kaku

[Dracule Mihawk]

I'm not sure how strong Ryuuma is. I was thinking of a hax team with him as the main fighter but do you guys think that he could beat Kaku or a distracted Lucci?

[Kuya]

Yes to both.

[Captain Apoo]

In your honest opinion, Zoro vs. Jyabura and Kaku

Current Zoro or Enies Zoro?

Cause Enies would lose...

Oh and there is no chance in hell Ryuuma could beat a distracted Lucci. The guy took a Gear 3 and got back up, nothing Ryuuma dishes out can give the same damage as that attack.

I think he would beat Kaku but have a tough time of it.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well since we have current Zoro in the tourny, I think he means current Zoro.

[Captain Apoo]

It's a bit unfair to give Zoro an entire arc's advantage in an effort to favourably compare him to Lucci.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well. We're comparing them in the tourny, so we are using current Zoro.

[Vagrant Tom]

-Ryumma is a beast at fighting, and he can pretty much beat anybody 35 points or lower in a one on one. (excluding maybe Sanji w/ DJ)


Agreed, Ryuuma is a steal and I've never though of him as weaker than Kaku. He should be 35.

-Post EL Sanji didnt get a chance to shine in this tourney when he clearly has the power to rape opposing teams.

Agreed, but I've long planned to use him next tournament.

I would also like to point out that speed difference between different tiers of characters or characters from different arcs gets in the way of many strategys working, and I think this is a factor of why a Crocodile team would have an extremly hard time making it through when the difference of Arcs make people say he cant keep up with anybody from EL and beyond at all.

I used Crocodile to win trial 1. The trick is use him like Shino attacked against Madara. Rather than speed blitz, just overwhelm and surround with sand.