Tournament 1 - Round 3 - Match 5 - Dracule Mihawk vs Zetta

[Captain Apoo]

The Rules

1. Vote clearly on the victor. You must state a reason why you feel that team would win. Your vote is voided if: You don't have a reason stated, you have less than 100 posts (unless it is decided differently), and if you don't put I vote for: (Participant Name here) at the end of your post.

2. Only 1 vote allowed. If later you are persuaded by someone and choose to vote for the other person, then only that vote will count.

3. No filler abilities, none period.

4. No character hype, yes Zoro is fucking awesome, but please try and be serious and just go off their skills

5. Experience of fighting WITH or AGAINST character's are in play. (eg Baroque Works pairs, such as Mr 4 and Miss Merry Christmas will work well together) EXPERIENCE IS ONLY IN AFFECT FROM CHAPTER 500 AND BEFORE.

6. There is no prep time. But your characters have unlimited time before a match where they can discuss strategy and share knowledge etc. But no actions may be taken before a match.

7. The Incharacter Rule
Characters will do their best to follow a strategy. They will happily attack the enemy (even Sanji will kick a girl if she is the enemy). Characters have no fear (Ussop will not run away). When left with nothing to do and no guidelines, characters will behave incharacter as they would do in the manga.

8. If caught bribing for votes or cheating (making aliases), you will be disqualified from the tournament.

9. Logias are not intangible, they can be hurt by all normal attacks (eg, you don't need water to hurt Crocodile). Zombies character are also the same, they can be hurt with normall attacks, not just salt and fire.

10. A strategy cannot plan for things the characters have no knowledge of. For example, a team cannot plan for Don Kriegs poison if no one on that players team has knowledge of it.
Location: Foxy's Ship (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/313/16/) One team starts one the Fox head the other team starts at the back of the ship. The circle shown the picture is the locations limits.



Dracule Mihawk
Team Mihawk
Post El Zoro (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16199145&postcount=85)- 40
Current Ussop (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16264732&postcount=105) - 15
Foxy (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16136675&postcount=38) - 15


Zetta
Team Zetta
Blueno (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16151366&postcount=56) - 35
Foxy (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16136675&postcount=38) - 15
Wiper (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16135306&postcount=13) - 20




Last match of the 3rd round, one match left after this, the Final. :D

Please wait for both strategies to go up before voting. :pek Good luck both teams!

[Vagrant Tom]

Zoro and Foxy are good characters to defend from Blueno hax!

[Captain Apoo]

Definitely, it seems like to defeat Blueno you've gotta spend big on a real top tier beast. Blueno's price needs to be increased.

[Vagrant Tom]

If a noro noro could be used on the the door whilst Blueno is trying to escape from a hit and run then the door will slow down. Meaning he can't shut it fast, allowing for a counter attack.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Yeah, I only think a Lucci/Zoro/Luffy/maybe Moria can defeat a team with Blueno. My strat will be up soon.

Would two Noro Noro beams cancel each other out?

[StrawHat4Life]

Would two Noro Noro beams cancel each other out?

I would assume so. They'd just negate each other.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Good luck, Zetta

Knowledge- We have complete knowledge of the other team. Foxy through Foxy. Blueno's hax through Ussop. Wiper through Zoro and a bit of Ussop. They don't know Zoro's new powers or moves, but they know he is the strongest. They know Ussop is a sniper and they know everything about Foxy.

Don't read Zetta...


Strategy- Well, like always I'll start with a 108 pound cannon and a fire star just in case they haven't immediately gone into Blueno's dimension and they have left someone behind there. A fire star can easily knock out Foxy and annoy Wiper. The 108 pound cannon is mainly gonna be used to decrease hiding spaces. I'm guessing that the most likely thing to happen is Blueno Doa Doa + Noro Noro + Reject/Burn Bazooka. As soon as a Doa Doa is seen by Ussop/Zoro, Foxy will hit it with 2 Noro Noro Beams. The first one to counter Zetta's attack and the second one to prevent them from escaping. Followed by a 108 pound cannon if there is a small hole. If the hole is bigger than Zoro will use slash attacks such as Santouryuu Tatsu or any other attack. TBH, if a Noro Noro hits a Zetta team member. They are screwed. Zoro will easily kill them.

WHAT IF:

What if the other team doesn't use the Blueno hax. Well, as unlikely as it seems, if they don't use it, and try to fight me face to face, they are screwed. Foxy will immediately be knocked out by Ussop's sniping. Then a 108 pound cannon from distance will make it easy for Zoro to go close and cut up Blueno and Wiper. We know that Wiper has a reject dial and we will keep Foxy and Ussop at a distance to give cover to Zoro with Noro Noro and annoying sniping mainly aimed at Wiper. I'm confident that Zoro is fast enough to dodge a reject anyway.

WHAT IF THEY DOA DOA + Shigan:

Well, if it seems like they are doing that, Zoro and Ussop will immediately look to protect Foxy. If Blueno grabs Foxy from below then Zoro will immediately risk Foxy's life and 72 pound cannon (less load time) Blueno. If Blueno keeps shiganing then its a draw and there's nothing really I can do about it.

[Zetta]

I think two noro noro would just slow eachother creating a sort of...Noro noro field. I'm think I'm on to something here...

Anyway.

Knowledge:

Post-EL Zoro: We have knowledge on Skypea, Davy Back and W7. Blueno possibly has info on EL Zoro since he did rescue Kaku and the others. In anything, we know his basic style.

Current Usopp: If Blueno wasn't braindead and he made a link between Sogeking and Usopp then we know about Kabuto. Wiper and Foxy have info on Pre-W7 Usopp and Dials.

Foxy: I have a Foxy.

Threat assesment:

The big threat here is Zoro and his monster durabillity. But he can be taken out in time. Zoro can't be everywhere at once. This means, that we have to take out his support.

Usopp is more of a threat here. His current shooting feats are no laughing matter and his durabillity is quite frankly...fairly scary. He also has dials.

Foxy is the main hax here and he'll need to be taken out first. While Usopp and Zoro have power going for them, Foxy has the power to change the outcome on his own.

Strategy:

As always, Foxy fires two Noro Noro beams from both his hands. This will create a projectile shield to stop enemy Noro's, Usopp bullets and the pound cannon.

Blueno opens the door and my team is safe. They can't really be stopped from entering since:

1. The distance is easily over 100m.
2. There are ship walls, masts, cabins, etc. blocking the trajectory of any ranged attacks.
3. Noro noro beam stopping attacks.

Once inside, all that's important is the order of attack. While Zoro is the biggest threat, he is also impossible to take out due to massive durabillity and support. We can't do anything about the durabillity but the support can be handled.

Since we need to destroy the enemy quickly, our first target will the person with least durabillity, Foxy. Foxy has not shown the speed to react to a shigan. One or more of them to the face will end him. His durabillity isn't exceptional compared to everyone else on the battlefield.

Next we'll take down Usopp. We'll do this quick with a Shigan Reject from Blueno. The close proximity will stop Zoro from using 108 pound cannon to attack since he might hit Usopp and he still needs some time to move in for melee, time he won't have when his attack window is the speed of one shigan.

With Usopp and Foxy down, we'll go for alternate tactics. Using two handsized doors, Blueno will trap Zoro's legs temporarilly in the the doa doa dimension. Then from above, Blueno will open a handdoor and Foxy will noro noro Zoro.

Now Zoro is stuck and in the next 30 seconds, he'll take 5 rejects (2 from Blueno and 3 from Wiper) as well as several shigans to the face.

If he survives, we'll repeat with Foxy rejecting and more shigans.

[Captain Apoo]

Hmm, initial vote Zetta.


The taems start on opposite sides so I don't see the purpose of Mihawk's initial flurry of Cannon + Projectile other than a bit of landscaping. Team Zetta easily gets into the other dimension.

With his team safe in the other dimension and going for Foxy first with the cheap, cheap tactic of mini-Door + Shigan, Team Mihawk will be one down since there is 0% chance Foxy can react or tank a Shigan to his head.

Even though Mihawk is willing to sacrifice a hax like Foxy to hit Blueno (which speaks VOLUMES about his Devil Fruit utility), I don't believe the attack will get to Blueno before the Door is closed and if it does, Foxy will absorb the brunt of the attack meaning Blueno comes to no harm.

After that, Usopp will be similarly taken out and Mihawk didn't specify Zoro was willing to take out Usopp to take out Blueno as he did with Foxy.

And from there it's attrition; Zoro will slowly wear down and succumb to the hax of Door Door and monstrous Reject powah.


As Mihawk himself conceded, there is nothing he can do against hide + mini-Door + Shigan. What makes current Zoro even more susceptible is his two buddies have died with Shigan to the head so he won't be expecting Doors from below, even if he can react.

[Zetta]

If I were in Mihawk's shoes... I would kept Zoro,Usopp and Foxy back to back in a smokescreen and moving around. Or even better, used Foxy's knowledge of the ship and especially the traps inside.

[StrawHat4Life]

If I were in Mihawk's shoes... I would kept Zoro,Usopp and Foxy back to back in a smokescreen and moving around. Or even better, used Foxy's knowledge of the ship and especially the traps inside.

I agree. Also, Dracule hasn't utilized Sogeking to his fullest potential, not even close.

[Zetta]

I think using all the traps would indeed be the best way to nullify Doa Doa. I mean, the inside is complex and since they are closer to the entrance than us, they could have prepped everything. Ofcourse, we would have had equal knowledge but having an entire ship filled with traps against you is daunting even with knowlefge.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Yeah, I guess I made a mistake about using a smokescreen but, I thought it would make me even more susceptible to the Doa Doa hax.

anywayz.

Zoro is always there protecting Foxy if we see that you are using Doa Doa + shigan so I think Zoro could react fast enough to at least damage Blueno. Blueno isn't especially fast or strong for a CP9 member. Franky was good enough to hit him. Again, I think Ussop's reaction speed going through the TB arc is being underrated and he can avoid one shigan. Again, I'll say Franky was good enough to hit Blueno. I'm too lazy to find the scan, but I just remember the scene...

If even one shigan misses Zoro is right there with his 72 pound cannon which would launch much faster and I think he would launch the cannon before Blueno can get his arm back and close the door. After that the fight is mine,.

[Captain Apoo]

If even one shigan misses Zoro is right there with his 72 pound cannon which would launch much faster and I think he would launch the cannon before Blueno can get his arm back and close the door. After that the fight is mine,.

But your guy is still in the way as Blueno retracts his arm, meaning that your guy will take the brunt of the attack killing him and Blueno will laugh his way back into his dimension.

[Zetta]

Yeah, I guess I made a mistake about using a smokescreen but, I thought it would make me even more susceptible to the Doa Doa hax.
That depends. It's a good defence if you can combine it with something else.

anywayz.

Zoro is always there protecting Foxy if we see that you are using Doa Doa + shigan so I think Zoro could react fast enough to at least damage Blueno. Blueno isn't especially fast or strong for a CP9 member. Franky was good enough to hit him. Again, I think Ussop's reaction speed going through the TB arc is being underrated and he can avoid one shigan. Again, I'll say Franky was good enough to hit Blueno. I'm too lazy to find the scan, but I just remember the scene...

He was good enough to hit Blueno standing still. There is only one person until now who has ever blocked a shigan and that was Gear 2 Luffy. Usopp won't dodge it considering his speed is far under Luffy's even in base form. As for Zoro, there's still the fact that all you can injure is Blueno's hand and I doubt Blueno would die from that. You also have to remember that Foxy/Usopp will still get hit by Zoro and that the attack still needs to fly some distance.


If even one shigan misses Zoro is right there with his 72 pound cannon which would launch much faster and I think he would launch the cannon before Blueno can get his arm back and close the door. After that the fight is mine,.
How so? I doubt that would kill Blueno and he has two arms.

[Dracule Mihawk]

The reason I'm using a 72 pound cannon and not just a normal slash attack is that it will go and cut Blueno's entire arm. Gear 2 Luffy CAUGHT LUCCI's shigan. I'm expecting Ussop can DODGE/make it not fatal against BLUENO"s shigan.

[Captain Apoo]

Moar activity, Gais :mad

[Doc. Q]

I tentatively vote zetta.

Taking out foxy first puts team mihawk in a bad position.

[Zetta]

The reason I'm using a 72 pound cannon and not just a normal slash attack is that it will go and cut Blueno's entire arm. Gear 2 Luffy CAUGHT LUCCI's shigan. I'm expecting Ussop can DODGE/make it not fatal against BLUENO"s shigan.

Aha, but can you prove it would take out his arm? Especially with Foxy/Usopp taking the brunt of the attack?

Also, that's a non sequitor. Just because Luffy who is in gear 2 about 10 to 30 times as fast as Usopp caught it doesn't prove Usopp can.

[Dracule Mihawk]

Well, the first attack to Foxy. Zoro is right there ready to protect Foxy. Blueno needs to hit the shigan and then pull his arm back into his dimension. That should give enough time for Zoro to attack, IMO.

Shit, I screwed up my strat this time. Completely forgot about my flash dial which I love using.

In my strat Ussop is also protecting Foxy. I forgot to write how, but the most likely way is through a flash dial.

[Shoddragon]

Well, the first attack to Foxy. Zoro is right there ready to protect Foxy. Blueno needs to hit the shigan and then pull his arm back into his dimension. That should give enough time for Zoro to attack, IMO.

Shit, I screwed up my strat this time. Completely forgot about my flash dial which I love using.

In my strat Ussop is also protecting Foxy. I forgot to write how, but the most likely way is through a flash dial.

why didn't u have him use a 108 pound cannon. it would pretty much demolish blueno's arm :oh.

[Vagrant Tom]

Right now I'm leaning toward Dracule Mihawk but I'm not really decided yet. Personally, I don't think Foxy can react to shigan (although he can keep up with gomu gomu gattling) but that is not what he has been told to do. He is to noro noro a door the second he sees it, not wait til the shigan comes through to defend. So Foxy probably has an extra second to do noro noro. The noro noro will probably come out just as the shigan is coming out and thus slow the arm ready for a chopping. But I'm not really too certain on this, I need to think more.


Aha, but can you prove it would take out his arm? Especially with Foxy/Usopp taking the brunt of the attack?

This is Zoro, the guy who can cut through steel and such. Fleshy shields such as Foxy would just be cut up too.

Also, that's a non sequitor. Just because Luffy who is in gear 2 about 10 to 30 times as fast as Usopp caught it doesn't prove Usopp can.

Well, Chopper avoided multiple shigans at once from Kumadori who has the almost the same douriki (only ten less) as Blueno. Anyway, shigan is far from an instant kill, the Strawhat's took so many in Enies Lobby and lived on.

[Dracule Mihawk]

why didn't u have him use a 108 pound cannon. it would pretty much demolish blueno's arm :oh.

I thought it would take a bit too long to load and a 72 pound cannon should be enough anyway.

[Zetta]

Right now I'm leaning toward Dracule Mihawk but I'm not really decided yet. Personally, I don't think Foxy can react to shigan (although he can keep up with gomu gomu gattling) but that is not what he has been told to do. He is to noro noro a door the second he sees it, not wait til the shigan comes through to defend. So Foxy probably has an extra second to do noro noro. The noro noro will probably come out just as the shigan is coming out and thus slow the arm ready for a chopping. But I'm not really too certain on this, I need to think more.
You have to remember that the entire point of my strategy is attacking when they least expect it and from an angle they won't expect. I'm not going to open a door right infront of Foxy's face and attack. I'dd rather open one in the back of his head and do it.




This is Zoro, the guy who can cut through steel and such. Fleshy shields such as Foxy would just be cut up too.

Quite. Foxy would die regardless. Even if you hit Blueno, he has 2 arms to shigan and remember. Zoro has to noticed the shigan, fire the attack and the attack has to fly so it can hit Blueno, all in the space of one shigan. Seems kinda excessive to assume 3 actions can happen that fast.


Well, Chopper avoided multiple shigans at once from Kumadori who has the almost the same douriki (only ten less) as Blueno. Anyway, shigan is far from an instant kill, the Strawhat's took so many in Enies Lobby and lived on.
During Enies Lobby, the Strawhat were hella more durable than Foxy. Also, the CP9 never targetted vital organs. A shigan to the head would have killed anyone just like a headshot from a gun. Brain leaking out isn't that good for your health. Ofcourse, Oda couldn't do this since he's doing a shounen manga but the CP9 could have done it.

[Dracule Mihawk]

I have Ussop guarding Foxy also. He can use a dial since that is his only close range attack. I should have specified which dial though.

[Shoddragon]

both in the manga and anime, when zoro used 108 pound cannon for the first time, it was very fast. Watch the skypiea part. it is pretty fast, he just says 108 pound cannon hou and it launches. and a zoro this much stronger than skypiea zoro and faster should be able to do it that much faster.

regardless, if blueno loses an arm its not like he's gonna be like "lol noobs, it was just an arm". its going to hurt like hell and his arm will retract however doesn't he also use his arms to close the doors? because if so the mini door will remain open and zoro could just stick his sword in and maybe damage someone. If Usopp gives foxy an impact dial then the whole shigan thing is kinda useless. since the door opening and the arm coming out to shigan happen within a few seconds instead of instantly, foxy can prepare for it. I am leaning towards Dracule Mihawk, although I do think he could have utilized usopp much much better.

[Vagrant Tom]

Alright, let's call 24 hours so get your votes in!

My vote will be soon, I'm still thinking on what I wrote before.

[Kuya]

I don't see Zetta's plan failing at all. His team WILL get into the Dimenion. And if all the 3 of them concentrate on their order of attack, it WILL get done.

My vote is for Zetta.

[Captain Apoo]

Vote count - 3-0

Dracule Mihawk
-none-


Zetta
Me (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=17382853&postcount=9)
Doc. Q
Kuya (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=17404555&postcount=18)

[Dracule Mihawk]

My quote button thing isn't working... but this is to Kuya.

His entire strat only uses Blueno until he gets to having to defeat Zoro. However, even Zetta addmitted that Blueno hand could be hit by Zoro's cannon. First when he's killing Foxy and then when he attempts to kill ussop. I think that having a bleeding hand will definitely not help your reaction speed and would make him a fraction slower in hitting Ussop.

[Zetta]

You still have to remember that Foxy and Usopp will be taking most of the pound cannon attack so I doubt Blueno will be that injured, even when hit.

[Nero92]

I have to go with Zetta.All in all Blueno can hide his whole team so i think that they will win in the end

[Dracule Mihawk]

I'm not talking about Ussop at all. Foxy will get hit. But, Foxy is nothing. I'm predicting that the cannon can rip through Foxy without much difference. The whole point is that Blueno will be injured so he won't be as fast and Ussop can easily dodge.

[Zetta]

Blueno still has 2 arms.

[Captain Apoo]

I guess the match is ovah! Zetta wins? :dupe

[Zetta]

http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/8141/vlcsnap1259374sm5.png

The face of ultimate destruction. :LOS

[Captain Apoo]

Match is closed, 4-0 to Zetta.

[MrChubz]

I was away and couldn't vote. Sorry. :(

[StrawHat4Life]

It wouldn't have made a difference anyway.