Tournament 1 - Round 2 - Match 2 - Shoddragon vs MrChubz

[Vagrant Tom]

The Rules

1. Vote clearly on the victor. You must state a reason why you feel that team would win. Your vote is voided if: You don't have a reason stated, you have less than 100 posts (unless it is decided differently), and if you don't put I vote for: (Participant Name here) at the end of your post.

2. Only 1 vote allowed. If later you are persuaded by someone and choose to vote for the other person, then only that vote will count.

3. No filler abilities, none period.

4. No character hype, yes Zoro is fucking awesome, but please try and be serious and just go off their skills

5. Experience of fighting WITH or AGAINST character's are in play. (eg Baroque Works pairs, such as Mr 4 and Miss Merry Christmas will work well together) EXPERIENCE IS ONLY IN AFFECT FROM CHAPTER 500 AND BEFORE.

6. There is no prep time. But your characters have unlimited time before a match where they can discuss strategy and share knowledge etc. But no actions may be taken before a match.

7. The Incharacter Rule
Characters will do their best to follow a strategy. They will happily attack the enemy (even Sanji will kick a girl if she is the enemy). Characters have no fear (Ussop will not run away). When left with nothing to do and no guidelines, characters will behave incharacter as they would do in the manga.

8. If caught bribing for votes or cheating (making aliases), you will be disqualified from the tournament.

9. Logias are not intangible, they can be hurt by all normal attacks (eg, you don't need water to hurt Crocodile). Zombies character are also the same, they can be hurt with normall attacks, not just salt and fire.

10. A strategy cannot plan for things the characters have no knowledge of. For example, a team cannot plan for Don Kriegs poison if no one on that players team has knowledge of it.




Location: Puffing Tom

The Layout of the Puffing Tom is as follows:

The steam engine front part - Car 1 (Nico Robin) (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/370/02/) - Car 2 (CP9) (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/373/08/) - Car 3 (Nero; we never see the inside of this one) - Car 4 (kitchen) (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/368/18/) - Car 5 (T Bone) (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/368/13/) - Car 6 (freight) (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/365/04/) - Car 7 (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/365/04/)

MrChubz starts on Car 7 and Shoddragon starts on Car 1.

The floors and connections cannot be damaged; you can destroy the walls and ceiling though. So if you destroyed everything possible you'd end up with 7 connected platforms.

If you fall off the train and cannot get back on (the train is moving) then you count as dead.







Shoddragon
Team steel slicing poison gas :LOS
Post EL Zoro (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16199145&postcount=85) - 40
Mr.1 (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16136065&postcount=30) - 20
Don Krieg (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16136259&postcount=34) - 10




MrChubz
Team Waffles
Lucci (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16135159&postcount=5) - 40
Pre EL Sanji (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16423862&postcount=111)- 20
Don Kreig (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16136259&postcount=34) - 10




Please wait for both strategies to go up before voting. Good luck both teams!

[Captain Apoo]

Back to the age old argument of current Zoro vs Lucci.

I still think Lucci can KO Zoro, specially with Rokuougan but we'll see if I can convince people here.

[Vagrant Tom]

I can see another Zoro vs Lucci debate coming on. What are the chances eh?

[Captain Apoo]

I think the small arena definitely falls in the favour of Lucci here.

[MrChubz]

We know about Kreig. Nothing about Mr.1 And we don't know about Zoro's new sword or Asura. They know about my Kreig, Snaji, and not much about Luci save for what was spectated at the end of the match. However, they know about Geppou, Shigan, and all that junk.

So I'm guessing Sodddragon will go with the sit there, turn the cars into platforms and blow me away with 108lb cannon/Mr.1's slicing and dicing techniques. Simple, yet effective. SO I'm gonna' try to avoid that completely.

Prep: Lucci goes to his Leopard form he fought Luffy in. Kreig takes off his armor. Kreig puts on his gasmask,

Strat: Kreig quickly runs over to Car 6 and spreads poison. The other team will probably have gasmasks on, but this isn't an important part of the strat, it's just so there's a bit of defense should someone want to invade their car. Kreig, Sanji, and Lucci all go to the little balcony area they have on the back of their car. Kreig gives Lucci his gasmask. Lucci gives them both a quick lift to the top of the car carrying them, using geppou. Lucci the will use Rankyaku to destroy the tracks behind them. The train will still be floating since in the manga, the frog guy knocked Rocket Man off the tracks and it floated. No reason Puffing Tom can't do the same. However, we don't want that. So now we need to capsize the train. Shouldn't be too hard with the use of Soru and the size of Lucci's Leopard form. We all know the equation Force=Mass x Acceleration. We're putting that to use.

Lucci now geppou's very fast to Car 4, the middle car. However, he is way off to the side. Like three train car lengths or so (so that he isn't blown away by 108lb cannon). Meanwhile, Kreig and Sanji hang off the left side (the side that isn't going to be in the water). Then he geppous at soru speed and hits the side of Car 4, towards the top. Since the connections or the platforms can't be destroyed, the cars ought to fall like dominoes. Mr.1 and their Kreg is pretty much screwed at this point. Since their Kreig will have iron armor on, he'l sink like a stone eand we all know why Mr. 1 will sink. Even if they were inside, they won't be saved because Lucci, who is still geppouing, will be firing Rankyaku as fast as he can at Car 1, Car, 2 (if it's still intact since I think Shodd will destroy car 2) and car 3. If they were in a different car, Lucci will destroy it as soon as he's done with Zoro or if Lucci spots them, he'll destroy whatever they're grabbing on to.

So now, Zoro's in the water. Lucci lands on the side of Car 5. and starts firing Rankyaku at him. It's only a matter of time until Zoro gets hit by too many of them and dies. And he won't be able to use any sword techniques efficiently in the water, trying to keep himself afloat, and getting Rankyaku fired at him. My Kreig fires poison if Zoro doesn't have a gas mask. Zoro will die eventually either way.

What if capsizing the Sea Train is against the rules? There isn't a rule against it.

What if it's turned into a rule? Every other map, the stage is allowed to be destroyed to rubble if need be. I don't see why capsizing the sea train will be ruled against.

What if Shodd's team doesn't sit still and engages my team? My plan shouldn't take too long. Lucci should be at least on his way to hitting Car 4 when they reach car 7. It's not like Kreig or Sanji did anything important anyways.

What if Zoro blitz's? If he blitz's then Lucci will spam Rankyaku and Kreig will fire poison and Sanji will use an Anti-Matter Kick Course when he can get one in. Should be enough to stop Zoro. Then My team will proceed with the plan.

What if Zoro blitz's and uses 108lb cannon? Then''we're screwed. Besides maybe Lucci.

What if the train doesn't fall over? Why wouldn't it?

There's my strat.

[StrawHat4Life]

Good strat but I don't buy more then one gas mask. However I don't see that hurting your team standing very much anyway.

[MrChubz]

Good strat but I don't buy more then one gas mask. However I don't see that hurting your team standing very much anyway.

It's not like poison was doing much anyways. Nor would anyone in my team be near poison besides Lucci and Kreig for about a second.

Edited. Shoot only one gasmask per team will probably help me out if anything.

[Shoddragon]

Knowledge: Full knowledge is known about Don Krieg and pre EL sanji, and zoro knows that Lucci is at LEAST on the level of kaku, so he definitely would not underestimate him in a fight.

Strategy: Now Mr.Chubz appears to like using poison, I am sure with such a huge space he might try using it. So my strategy will follow accordingly.

WHAT IF Mr.CHUBZ TRIES FIRING POISON AT ME:
Well my opening move is to have Zoro use nitoryu: rashoumon http://img39.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000371/08-09.jpg

to cut everything save for the floor up till the car where his team is. If Don Krieg was foolish enough to fire his poison at me, it would be immediately destroyed after being released because as shown, rashomon is an extremely fast attack. thus the poison would be released immediately after enemy don krieg releases it, so all of his team might die due to the poison immediately. if they do not and MH5 simply is destroyed, the rashoumon cuts in a straight line, so any of the enemy team may be cut in half.

WHAT IF THEY SURVIVE RASHOUMON:

Then Zoro spams his pound cannon moves, mostly his huge 108 pound cannon, which has a big enough radius to severely damage and possibly kill them, I know people are saying "LOLZ , LUCCI WILL DODGE it", but consider that Oz, with Luffy's shadow, defeated the the strongest general zombies on thriller bark with a mere gomu gomu no gatling gun and also disappeared from sight with his speed, BARELY dodged it, Lucci has an even lower chance of dodging it. Oz was also fast enough to dodge one of franky's attacks which was designed to take down sea kings. so lucci isn't going to dodge them, and even if he dodges one, chances are he WILL get hit by another.

WHAT IF THEY NEVER LAUNCH THE POISON!!:

Then immediately after my Zoro uses rashoumon, Mr.1 charges in and starts running towards the enemy team ( whether they are injured or not) whilst Zoro spams 108 pound cannons AND Don Krieg fires his Machine Gun darts ( which will not hurt Mr.1 should it hit him) , if the enemy team is completely killed/knocked off, Mr.1 will attack Lucci, which of course he will miss, but Lucci has virtually nothing short of MAYBE gaichou and rokuougan which will hurt Mr.1, and whilst Lucci tries, Zoro is still spamming pound cannons, and since Lucci is most likely dealing with Mr.1 at this point, if one hits Lucci there is a good chance he dies or is extremely injured, if he is extremely injured from the first one and a second one hits him, there is no way he survives.

WHAT IF LUCCI GETS IN CLOSE AND STARTS FIGHTING MY TEAM:

He will Have to fight not only Zoro but MR.1 as well. if after rashoumon lucci comes straight after my team, I will have Don Krieg fire his poison directly at the last car, effectively killing the rest of his team, and if they do survive, my don krieg fires his machine gun darts which will kill them because they won't be able to see through the poison mist. Lucci will have to deal with Mr.1's steel attacks and Zoro's incredibly powerful slicing attacks, a fight which he has no chance of winning because eventually zoro will land something like shi shi son son, rashoumon, or ashura on Lucci, killing him and allowing both him and mr.1 to finish lucci off.

WHAT IF LUCCI ATTEMPTS TO USE GEPPOU AND CARRY HIS TEAM MATES :
Remember Fukurou? Franky doesn't weigh 2 tons, and when he was holding on to fukurou, he could BARELY use geppou. Don Krieg's weapon and shield and such weighs totally about 2 tons for the shield and weapon, and with his total body weight and armor probably around 3-4 tons total ( the armor covers nearly his whole body). So Lucci attempting to carry either team mate will either not work or amake him far too slow so that a 108 pound cannon hits him and the teamate, killing both, or killing the teammate and injuring Lucci.

WHAT IF Mr.CHUBZ TRIES SOMETHING UNORTHODOX, LIKE KNOCKING OVER THE TRAINS OR SOMETHING (capsizing?)?

Knocking over the train or something and using Lucci's ability to stay above the air seems plausible, however, since my very first thing is for Zoro to use rashoumon, what will there be to knock over except some floor? so anything like that is negated with my first attack. Should he try something like having his don krieg fire poison to keep my from advancing, as told before, my rashomon would instantly destroy it and perhaps kill krieg as well.


this is my long strategy. Hope I countered everything. I guess its time for rebuttals.

[Shoddragon]

We know about Kreig. Nothing about Mr.1 And we don't know about Zoro's new sword or Asura. They know about my Kreig, Snaji, and not much about Luci save for what was spectated at the end of the match. However, they know about Geppou, Shigan, and all that junk.

So I'm guessing Sodddragon will go with the sit there, turn the cars into platforms and blow me away with 108lb cannon/Mr.1's slicing and dicing techniques. Simple, yet effective. SO I'm gonna' try to avoid that completely.

Prep: Lucci goes to his Leopard form he fought Luffy in. Kreig takes off his armor. Kreig puts on his gasmask,

Strat: Kreig quickly runs over to Car 6 and spreads poison. The other team will probably have gasmasks on, but this isn't an important part of the strat, it's just so there's a bit of defense should someone want to invade their car. Kreig, Sanji, and Lucci all go to the little balcony area they have on the back of their car. Kreig gives Lucci his gasmask. Lucci gives them both a quick lift to the top of the car carrying them, using geppou. Lucci the will use Rankyaku to destroy the tracks behind them. The train will still be floating since in the manga, the frog guy knocked Rocket Man off the tracks and it floated. No reason Puffing Tom can't do the same. However, we don't want that. So now we need to capsize the train. Shouldn't be too hard with the use of Soru and the size of Lucci's Leopard form. We all know the equation Force=Mass x Acceleration. We're putting that to use.

Lucci now geppou's very fast to Car 4, the middle car. However, he is way off to the side. Like three train car lengths or so (so that he isn't blown away by 108lb cannon). Meanwhile, Kreig and Sanji hang off the left side (the side that isn't going to be in the water). Then he geppous at soru speed and hits the side of Car 4, towards the top. Since the connections or the platforms can't be destroyed, the cars ought to fall like dominoes. Mr.1 and their Kreg is pretty much screwed at this point. Since their Kreig will have iron armor on, he'l sink like a stone eand we all know why Mr. 1 will sink. Even if they were inside, they won't be saved because Lucci, who is still geppouing, will be firing Rankyaku as fast as he can at Car 1, Car, 2 (if it's still intact since I think Shodd will destroy car 2) and car 3. If they were in a different car, Lucci will destroy it as soon as he's done with Zoro or if Lucci spots them, he'll destroy whatever they're grabbing on to.

So now, Zoro's in the water. Lucci lands on the side of Car 5. and starts firing Rankyaku at him. It's only a matter of time until Zoro gets hit by too many of them and dies. And he won't be able to use any sword techniques efficiently in the water, trying to keep himself afloat, and getting Rankyaku fired at him. My Kreig fires poison if Zoro doesn't have a gas mask. Zoro will die eventually either way.

What if capsizing the Sea Train is against the rules? There isn't a rule against it.

What if it's turned into a rule? Every other map, the stage is allowed to be destroyed to rubble if need be. I don't see why capsizing the sea train will be ruled against.

What if Shodd's team doesn't sit still and engages my team? My plan shouldn't take too long. Lucci should be at least on his way to hitting Car 4 when they reach car 7. It's not like Kreig or Sanji did anything important anyways.

What if Zoro blitz's? If he blitz's then Lucci will spam Rankyaku and Kreig will fire poison and Sanji will use an Anti-Matter Kick Course when he can get one in. Should be enough to stop Zoro. Then My team will proceed with the plan.

What if Zoro blitz's and uses 108lb cannon? Then''we're screwed. Besides maybe Lucci.

What if the train doesn't fall over? Why wouldn't it?

There's my strat.

wow. really wasn't expecting your ENTIRE strategy to revolve around knocking over the cars. most of your strategy seems to be negated by zoro using rashoumon and thus elminating krieg on the spot since your foolishly sent him alone to car 6. he dies in rashoumon then. since you were going to give lucci krieg's gas mask and krieg is now dead, sliced in half, the poison part of your strategy is negated.

trying to use Lucci to geppou up and destroy the tracks is foolish because at this point my zoro has immediately started spamming 108 pound cannons, and if Lucci gets hit in the BACK with on of these its going to not only injure him but knock him straight into the water, disabling him because he is in his devil fruit zoan form. that means Sanji is left and gets raped horrifically.

[MrChubz]

It looks to me that the only reason Zoro was able to slice through the two cars that fast is because he was on top of the rocket man. Now he isn't though. Also, prove he can slice through 7 cars in a matter of seconds. Also, if he can slice through all cars in a matter of seconds, my team is still going through their prep process and therefore Kreig is still intact and my Anti-Blitzing strat (if you get to my car in a matter of seconds it's a blitz even though you're attacking) applies and Zoro is therefore dead Via either poison or Lucci spamming Rankyaku which will not be blocked sincZoro will be sitting there in his keeled position, unprotected. After that, Mr.1 and your Kreig are silly fodder compared to Lucci.

[Shoddragon]

the proof is in the scan :facepalm . it clearly shows him slicing through all those cars in literally an instant. also you have to consider this zoro has two extra arcs under his belt ( increase in both strength, speed, and experience) AND a new, powerful sword. I don't think there should be quarrels about if he can slice through those cars when he EFFORTLESSLY did it before. and then my strategy follows. as you have your don krieg set up his poison ( which makes no sense because I don't see how he can spread poison in car 6 if all he has is mh5) he will get hit by rashoumon and DIE. your strategy is then ruined because all thats left is floor, which kills you strategy because now my zoro can spam 108 pound cannons, killing your fodder and injuring Lucci whilst don krieg keeps up his machine gun dart assault and my mr.1 heads toward your sanji.

now with both of your other team members dead, I am sure even you, my enemy, can agree that lucci stands no chance against a combined assault of Mr.1 and current Zoro.

[Cyphon]

Hmmm... it seems Chubz early part is negated by Zoro.

I believe Krieg will be taken out quickly and that will leave Zoro and Mr. 1 vs Sanji and Lucci.

Sanji has no way of defeating Mr. 1 and could only put up a decent fight vs Zoro. Lucci would not be able to quickly kill either Zoro or Mr. 1.

My vote is for Shoddragon.

[MrChubz]

the proof is in the scan :facepalm .
it clearly shows him slicing through all those cars in literally an instant.

He's sitting on top of a separate train in the scan. in this case he is not. Prove he can slice through it in two seconds without sitting on top of a train.

also you have to consider this zoro has two extra arcs under his belt ( increase in both strength, speed, and experience) AND a new, powerful sword. I don't think there should be quarrels about if he can slice through those cars when he EFFORTLESSLY did it before. and then my strategy follows.

2 arcs, but not a train.

as you have your don krieg set up his poison ( which makes no sense because I don't see how he can spread poison in car 6 if all he has is mh5) he will get hit by rashoumon and DIE. your strategy is then ruined because all thats left is floor, which kills you strategy because now my zoro can spam 108 pound cannons, killing your fodder and injuring Lucci whilst don krieg keeps up his machine gun dart assault and my mr.1 heads toward your sanji.

But since Zoro isn't riding on top of a train, by the time he gets over there, Lucci will atleast be at the part where he's geppouing over to train 4 to capsize the train. Zoro loads a 108lb cannon to blow away Sanji and Krieg, boom they die, train flips over, your Kreig and Mr.1 are dead, Zoro is in the water which makes him a lot less efficient and Lucci fires Rankyaku at him until they kill him or he drowns.

now with both of your other team members dead, I am sure even you, my enemy, can agree that lucci stands no chance against a combined assault of Mr.1 and current Zoro.

I agree, but you team members are dead too, so...



bolded is my response.

[StrawHat4Life]

I'm on the fence here and I see many assumptions in both strats. I have to think about this one.

[Vagrant Tom]

This is the 24 hour warning so get your votes in.

[Shoddragon]

bolded is my response.

rashomon sliced through the TRAIN NEAR INSTANTLY BEFORE. how is it so hard to believe that with 2 extra arcs and a new sword, he can't do it as fast if not faster? also consider that the point of Oda having him do that was to prove he could cut ships and such like Mihawk could, hence why right after that he fought T-Bone, the SHIP BUTCHER, who was known for slicing up ships, and even sliced a sea king 5 times bigger than the rocketman(name of the train they were on correct?) yet lost horribly to zoro. regardless of how fast Lucci won't be able to knock over the train cars if all thats left is floor.

[Shoddragon]

also, right after rashoumon is unleashed zoro will spam 108 pound cannons and Don Krieg his machine gun darts, killing your teammate. and I already said why using geppuo to carry your team would not work. and don krieg only has MH5 poison, he can't just spread poison in car 6.

and I also said if your don krieg dies or nearly dies my don krieg will fire his poison at you whilst zoro and mr.1 kill lucci.

[MrChubz]

Zoro was sitting on a moving object. He himself didn't move an inch. I know Zoro will be able to slice through the train cars, but not as fast. Why, because he has to move himself this time. (BTW, Rashoumon isn't a beam attack like 108lb cannon)

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l86/Mr_Chubz/IWannaPizza.png

So Zoro cutting. He's on car 3 or four by the time He's done doing his thing. Lucci then Geppous everyone to the top of the train. Zoro's on car 5 or 6. Lucci cuts tracks and geppous over to car four. Zoro has now blown away Sanji and Kreig since it doesn't state in your strat to target Lucci first. Since they're right there. Zoro will go for them. If he doesn't Zoro will get a friendly Anti-Matter Kick course to his back and will still delay the 108lb cannon. Mr.1 or your Krieg won't even be able to see my Lucci geppouing at soru speed.

Response as to why Geppou carrying my Sanji and Don Kreig will work: The first thing I said in my strat was for Kreig to take off his armor. So now he is light. And Lucci with more then 4 times the strength of Chapapa guy will have no problem geppouing a couple hundred lbs up no more then 10ft.

One last thing. What's preventing Kreig from firing his MH5 poison in car 6 (besides a door which he opens)?

[StrawHat4Life]

Debating Rashomon is pointless. One 180 pound cannon from the jump should rip straight through at least all the way to car 5 imo.

[MrChubz]

Debating Rashomon is pointless. One 180 pound cannon from the jump should rip straight through at least all the way to car 5 imo.

Too bad that isn't in the strat.

[StrawHat4Life]

Hehe you have grown wise MrChubz.

[Shoddragon]

Too bad that isn't in the strat.

ok lets say it does take a few seconds instead of near instanteneously. what exactly will happen. krieg will just make it into car 6 and either be killed by rashomon and my zoro will immediately start spamming 108 pound cannons. explain how your team is going to defend against this, and don krieg using his machine gun darts. if lucci gets out of the way ( which is somewhat in your strategy) the rest of your team dies and without anything but floor lucci has nothing to knock over. and then its my team vs lucci which makes him lose horribly. no matter how you slice it ( haha, zoro joke :pek) the rest of your team winds up dead and it comes down to my team vs lucci, in which case he loses.

[MrChubz]

ok lets say it does take a few seconds instead of near instanteneously. what exactly will happen. krieg will just make it into car 6 and either be killed by rashomon and my zoro will immediately start spamming 108 pound cannons. explain how your team is going to defend against this, and don krieg using his machine gun darts. if lucci gets out of the way ( which is somewhat in your strategy) the rest of your team dies and without anything but floor lucci has nothing to knock over. and then its my team vs lucci which makes him lose horribly. no matter how you slice it ( haha, zoro joke :pek) the rest of your team winds up dead and it comes down to my team vs lucci, in which case he loses.

I'm saying a few seconds per Car. And if Lucci flips over the platform (which should be legal since it can float and is still intact), your entire team is in the water, so there goes two of your men. That leaves Zoro who is in the water while Lucci safley lands himself. Zoro can either

A) Try to get up: That will lead to a completely defenseless (he can't defend while climbing onto a platform) and will die via Rankyaku.

or

B) Swim, try to fire a 108lb cannon, but fail since it takes too long to load for Zoro to shoot it, then get spammed Rankyaku until he gets tired and can't block, or drowns.

[StrawHat4Life]

Flipping the platform off the tracks and then fighting on it while it floats in the ocean seems a bit iffy rules wise to me. Isn't the point to stay at least on the train car platforms while its still on the tracks? VT needs to clarify.

[MrChubz]

I'll give him a PM so he can reply fast when he gets on.

[Shoddragon]

technically it would be pointless because while you are trying to flip over the platforms zoro is still spamming his attacks. lucci cannot try to flip over the platforms and still dodge 108 pound cannons, OZ BARELY DODGED IT and he was such a huge target.

[MrChubz]

According to the way it runs in my head, Zoro never launches a 108lb cannon at Lucci. But, I guess it's up to the voters and how this plays in their head. This is more of a race really.

[Doc. Q]

I vote Mr.Chubs.

But I thought the Puff tom did have a set rule that you had to keep the ground intact?

[Shoddragon]

I vote Mr.Chubs.

But I thought the Puff tom did have a set rule that you had to keep the ground intact?

thats what I'm thinking. The connections and floor cannot be damage so basically that means they remain still as well. Flipping them would technically be damage them since he also wants to rankyaku the tracks.

also if you do not provide a clear explanation was to why you voted for a person your vote isn't counted. so I find it odd you vote Mr.chubz yet are still asking a question concerning the strategy.

[Doc. Q]

thats what I'm thinking. The connections and floor cannot be damage so basically that means they remain still as well. Flipping them would technically be damage them since he also wants to rankyaku the tracks.

also if you do not provide a clear explanation was to why you voted for a person your vote isn't counted. so I find it odd you vote Mr.chubz yet are still asking a question concerning the strategy.

Sorry, I type whats on my mind.

I originally put that I voted due to his foresight and use of the situation. He did what I would have so I vote for him.

but then the rail question popped up and I put down a new thought instead, forgetting why I quoted in the first place.

[Vagrant Tom]

Flipping the platform off the tracks and then fighting on it while it floats in the ocean seems a bit iffy rules wise to me. Isn't the point to stay at least on the train car platforms while its still on the tracks? VT needs to clarify.

Well, I can't make up new rules on the spot as it would seem like favouring one side or the other. So I say let everyone decide for themselves whether or not they feel it breaches the written rules. I'll have to tighten the rules further for this location later.

I personally don't think flipping the platform is right as you'd have to damage the platforms to do that, plus it kinda goes against what I was intending to do when writting the rules (ie stop a cheap victory by destroying the train and forcing people into the water).

[Dracule Mihawk]

Vote Shoddragon:

I personally believe that the post EL Zoro with shussui is strong enough to take down enough of the train to negate a lot of Chubz strategy. I think a 108 pound cannon with support will take out Kreig and Sanji. Then Lucci could be defeated. However, if the floor can be broken then my vote goes to MrChubz.

[Cyphon]

THERE ARE ABOUT 5 HOURS LEFT, GET YOUR VOTES IN


Current Count 2-2 tie

Mr. Chubz
Doc Q
Strawhat4Life

Shoddragon
Cyphon25
Dracule Mihawk

[StrawHat4Life]

My vote goes to MrChubz.
I think he accounted well for Shoddragon's opening move and any high tier CP9 member has an advantage in this battleground due to Geppou and Soru. Lucci can easily knock Zoro off balance and send him hurtling into the water. The terrain really limits Zoro's mobility imo.

[Kuya]

My vote goes to MrChubz.
I think he accounted well for Shoddragon's opening move and any high tier CP9 member has an advantage in this battleground due to Geppou and Soru. Lucci can easily knock Zoro off balance and send him hurtling into the water. The terrain really limits Zoro's mobility imo.

Exactly what I was thinking. It pays to know Rokushiki here. Zoro can only really fight in a straight line here. While like the Nero vs. Franky fight, Lucci can Geppou, Soru, and Rankyaku like crazy on this arena.

Vote for Chubz.

[Cyphon]

Kuya's vote was just in time to decide this match.

Mr. Chubz wins by a count of 3-2. THIS MATCH IS OVER.

Good job to both contestants.

[Shoddragon]

damm >_<. good and very close match Mr.Chubz. ALthough as of now I think we should decide whether the tracks could be flipped or not. Zoro is being underestimated here however. Zoro's pound cannon attacks are extremely fast. Lucci knowing geppou or soru is pointless because zoro is able to follow the speed and counter it easily, and a rankyaku could be easily blocked by the swords.

If Zoro for some reason while in close combat with Lucci, Zoro felt lucci might overpower him, he could use ich gorilla ni gorilla to strengthen himself and overpower lucci. Also @ Strawhat, how exactly would he "knock zoro off balance"? Zoro redirected One of Oz's punches ( similar to gear 3 luffy's power behind a punch) with SHEER STRENGTH. your telling me Lucci has an attack that packs as much power as a gear 3 punch?

although the match is over I still feel the need to debate this for future matches. good luck to all who advance to the next round.

[StrawHat4Life]

Replay the Nero vs Franky fight but now replace them with Lucci and Zoro. Geppou allows Lucci to go anywhere even far to the side over the water as well. Zoro's reaction speed can handle Soru yes but he's limited in his movements, he's basically stuck on the train. Yes he can use pound cannon but Lucci can dodge it and can move anywhere.

And knocking Zoro off doesn't require any kind of raw strength. The train is speeding over open water and Lucci can easily use simple physics and leverage to hurl Zoro into the drink. This was simply a bad terrain for Zoro to fight Lucci on.

Edit: If its any consolation Shoddragon. I think that your team would have won on any other terrain.

[MrChubz]

Woah. Close match. and well played. Although I fell pretty bad for pushing the envelope with the rules quite a bit.

Edit: If you voted, and I haven't repped ou yet it's because I need to spread rep.

[Shoddragon]

it was pretty close tho. Only a single vote made the difference. however in all the other matches we have wins by like 6 votes to 0, 5 votes to 0, and I won my first match like 6 votes to 1. so this is probably the closest match in the tourney.

[MrChubz]

I think you're right.

[Vagrant Tom]

I would have voted, but stayed out of this match deliberately. I didn't want to be seen as making a ruling or anything like that on platform flipping.

[Shoddragon]

I would have voted, but stayed out of this match deliberately. I didn't want to be seen as making a ruling or anything like that on platform flipping.

now that it is over is it safe to say we can make a decision on whether the platforms can be flipped or not?