One Piece Trial Tournament 1 - Semi finals - Match 2 - Cochise vs Teach

[Vagrant Tom]

The Rules

1. Vote clearly on the victor. You must state a reason why you feel that team would win. Your vote is voided if: You don't have a reason stated, you have less than 100 posts (unless it is decided differently), and if you don't put I vote for: (Participant Name here) at the end of your post.

2. Only 1 vote allowed. If later you are persuaded by someone and choose to vote for the other person, then only that vote will count.

3. No filler abilities, none period.

4. No character hype, yes Zoro is fucking awesome, but please try and be serious and just go off their skills

5. Experience of fighting WITH or AGAINST character's are in play. (eg Baroque Works pairs, such as Mr 4 and Miss Merry Christmas will work well together) EXPERIENCE IS ONLY IN AFFECT FROM CHAPTER 500 AND BEFORE.

6. There is no prep time. But your characters have unlimited time before a match where they can discuss strategy and share knowledge etc. But no actions may be taken before a match.

7. The Incharacter Rule
Characters will do their best to follow a strategy. They will happily attack the enemy (even Sanji will kick a girl if she is the enemy). Characters have no fear (Ussop will not run away). When left with nothing to do and no guidelines, characters will behave incharacter as they would do in the manga.

8. If caught bribing for votes or cheating (making aliases), you will be disqualified from the tournament.

9. Logias are not intangible, they can be hurt by all normal attacks (eg, you don't need water to hurt Crocodile). Zombies character are also the same, they can be hurt with normall attacks, not just salt and fire.

10. A strategy cannot plan for things the characters have no knowledge of. For example, a team cannot plan for Don Kriegs poison if no one on that players team has knowledge of it.




Location: Banaro Island (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/441/04/)
Starting Positions: 100 metres appart at opposite ends of the shown high street.



Cochise
Kaku (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16135228&postcount=9) - 35
Ryuuma (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16157392&postcount=74) - 30
Mr 5 (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16136380&postcount=36) - 5


Teach
Post-EL Zoro (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16199145&postcount=85) - 40
Blueno (http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=16151366&postcount=56) - 30




Please wait for both strategies to go up before voting. Good luck both teams!

[Kagutsuchi]

Cochise is gonna have a hard time imo because of Zoro.

[Vagrant Tom]

Hmmmm, both Kaku and Ryuuma pushed Zoro very far, especially Kaku. Zoro has obviously shown he can beat them, but he's gonna stuggle. I think the Blueno air door is gonna be a problem.

[Kuya]

Zoro solo's :dupe

[Cochise]

Not possible because Kaku and Ryuuma are just tad bit weaker than Zoro. Zoro is no better than the time he fought Ryuuma, and Ryuuma nearly won. Blueno is the problem.

[StrawHat4Life]

Remember folks this version of Zoro has Shuusui. One can argue that the only reason why Zoro had such a tough time with Ryuuma was because his sword was so powerful and would've broken Zoro's own swords. Ryuuma no longer has this advantage.

[Vagrant Tom]

Well, whilst Ryuuma could have broke Zoros swords, he didn't so that never really came into play. Zoro and Ryuuma had a very fast paced and destructive battle and neither landed a single hit on the other until the very end.

[Rice Ball]

Cochise is going to be away this weekend and has asked for me to take over for the semi final fight.

Once Teach has okayed this, i'll post a strategy.

[Cochise]

Yes, I have. Goodbye friend, see you later.

[Rice Ball]

Okay here it is.


Knowledge:

Everyone knows every ability of everyone else. Both Ryuuma and Kaku have faught Zoro and know his special moves, Ryuuma also knows how powerful Shuusui is.
Mr 5 is the only wild card, while Zoro has meet Mr 5, hes knocked him out without realising it.

Strategy:

I'll split this into Phases.

I expect my enemy to use Blueno's ability to attempt to either attack me at range with Zoro's 108 Pound Cannon or use his ability to launch a suprise attack on my team.

Phase 1: The Stance
My team will move AWAY from the town until they find a plain area like a field, they will then setup a defencive stance and wait for the enemy to attack.
Please see picture for basic stance setup.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/Bubbleuk/OPT1.jpg
Humans have a 180 degree field of vision, in a back to back style stand they will be able to quickly spot the Door open. If Zoro fires his 108 Pound Cannon, the team will move away avoiding it like they did during his fights(Both Kaku and Ryuuma have shown enough speed to avoid his canon attacks).
If my enemy keeps doing this, Zoro will get fatigued, his attacks will get weaker, so i'm happy for my team to Dodge Zoro untill he dies of exhaustion.
Phase 2 will begin the moment my enemy stops using a ranged attack and decides a suprise attack thought the door is there next cource of action.

Phase 2: Counter attack

This phase will begin the moment the door is used as a suprise attack, actions in this phase are more or less the same, but depend on who steps through the door first.
See picture for movement during phase 2.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/Bubbleuk/OPT2.jpg
On creation Ryuuma will rush towards the door and attempt to engage the first person to attempt to exit through it, this will acchive a bottle neck effect making only one person able to use the door.
Kaku will Soru behind the door (which is a BLIND SPOT http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/492/ ) and prepare for phase 3.

Phase 3: Megadeath!

Phase 3 is the when Cochise wins this battle.
Please see picture for execution.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/Bubbleuk/OPT3.jpg
If Zoro is the first through the door, the delay for Blueno getting out of the way will be enough time for Ryuuma to create the bottle neck effect. Zoro will not be able to see the space behind him if the door is still open, Kaku will launch a Max power attack through the Blind Spot while Zoro has crossed blades with Ryuuma. Zoro will not be able to hold off both these swordsmen at the same time and perish in this single attack. Once Zoro is down, Blueno will stand no chance alone against 2 superior fighters.
If Blueno is first through the door, i get a instant victory, being much weaker than Ryuuma, he will barely be able to hold against a single attack and might end up dieing to Ryuuma's first attack, once this is done, Zoro will be trapped, with his only way out filled with the blades of 2 people ready to kill him.

What If:

What if they don't attack using blueno's Door-
Then i have a 2 v 1 situation with Zoro being bested by Ryuuma breaking his swords and Kaku keeping him busy, they will both wair him down and kill him.
Blueno is much weaker than both Kaku and Ryuuma and would be engaged by Mr 5 while Zoro is getting killed, by the time Mr 5 is killed, at least 1 (maybe 2) of Zoro's sword will be destroyed and Zoro will no longer be able to defend himself against 2 swordsman.

What if Blueno opens a door under or over my team-
This wouldn't effect there dodging Canon attacks, and if they attempted to move through the door, i will remind my enemy that gravity will control there movement and lack of ability to dodge, meaning a quick victory for me.




Thats all for now, i hope this was good enough Cochise.
This will be the only post i make here as its only a practice Tourney etc, i don't want to go overboard defending etc :P

[Rice Ball]

I'm confused, if Kaku launched an attack from behind Blueno's air door would the attack be blocked by the door or would the attack pass right through the door as if it weren't there?

I would assume so as when Blueno makes a door, it consists of the material he makes it out of, for example when he made a door on luffys face, it was made of his face (if that makes sence) a door made of air, wouldn't provide any resistance

[Teach]

I know everything about Ryuuma and Kaku and the booger dude.

They know everything about Blueno but not everything about Zoro. Though I doubt it matters.

I will have Blueno go to his dimension and stay behind Zoro for surprise attacks. Once somebody tries to attack Zoro from behind/sides you'll get a nice rankyaku to your head and a 108 cannon right behind it.

I'll use Asura against Kaku as in the manga, enhanced with Shuusui hence I don't have to weaken Kaku like Zoro had to before he used Asura. And against Ryuuma I'll ofcourse use the finishing attack that he did in the manga, now enhanced with Shuusui. Blueno generally will act as a annoying dude who opens a door and rankyaku's their ass. Basically distraction+damage.

Boogerman will die once we see him, if he decides to stay at distance he will get a cannon, whom Ohm with mantra couldn't even hope to dodge it's that fast. Or Blueno will rock him.

What if they hide and surprise? My strat.

I did this in 10min :p. I decided not to use the lame strat that I used against against Chubz, it probably wouldn't have worked as nicely, that's the theory anywayz.

[Teach]

Ah so basically you assumed that I would use that strat again, well with Shuusui and Blueno at my back watching Zoro. I will have little to none problem taking your guys out.

[Vagrant Tom]

Zoro solos isn't going to fly with me. Sure he beat Kaku and Ryuuma in the manga. But I really doubt he can beat them both at the same time. Both of them pushed Zoro to his limit and now there's two at once. Zoro may have 3 swords but I doubt he can block both peoples attacks at once. I think you should have used Blueno more.

Vote Cochise.

[Teach]

Zoro solos isn't going to fly with me. Sure he beat Kaku and Ryuuma in the manga. But I really doubt he can beat them both at the same time. Both of them pushed Zoro to his limit and now there's two at once. Zoro may have 3 swords but I doubt he can block both peoples attacks at once. I think you should have used Blueno more.

Vote Cochise.
Zoro isn't fighting alone, Blueno is there for distraction. All Zoro needs is 1-hit per opponent.

It's quite clear that I win.

[Rice Ball]

Covered the event of you not using door strategy in my What if: section :)

Shame all those crappy MS Paint pictures went to waste :)

[Teach]

Yea, but still Blueno still is there, and he won't die in 1-hit. He was quite durable against G2 Luffy until he got rifled, and that was only because he got punched all over.

Blueno will provide good distraction while Zoro takes either one in 1-hit. Asura or flame attack.

[StrawHat4Life]

This one is tough for me to call. It really could go either way. Technically Zoro could one hit KO Ryuuma with that flame attack he used last time and Asura would take care of Kaku very quickly. However, both Kaku and Ryuuma will expect those moves again and will be on guard for them. Just having Zoro out in the open with Blueno providing only distractions doesn't jive with me. I see Mad Titan's team grinding out a costly victory.

I vote for Mad Titan/Cochise

[Zhang_Fei]

What if Blueno opens a door under or over my team-
This wouldn't effect there dodging Canon attacks, and if they attempted to move through the door, i will remind my enemy that gravity will control there movement and lack of ability to dodge, meaning a quick victory for me.

disagree with this. The way I see it, Blueno shouldn't actually be allowed in the tournament to begin with. He could just create a door the size of the diameter of Zoro's sword right on top of both of them, and Zoro just stabs through and kills one guy in one go. It doesn't matter how good their dodging is, because one of them would be dead before they even realized a door was opened.

W/ regards to other overpowered Blueno strategies, Blueno could create incredibly small doors, and have Usopp or Mr. 5 snipe through those holes. They would be invincible.

[Teach]

He hasn't been showing to do so, it's not canon.

[Zhang_Fei]

He hasn't been showing to do so, it's not canon.

Really there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to do so, but if you go only by what's in the manga -> http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/385/11/ - he can at least create doors the size of his hands - which are sufficiently small enough to carry out the aforementioned overpowered strategies with ease.

[Vagrant Tom]

And he created a door in Luffy's head!

Now everyone come vote in my match!

[StrawHat4Life]

I vote for Vagrant Tom. :zaru

[Teach]

Really there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to do so, but if you go only by what's in the manga -> http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/385/11/ - he can at least create doors the size of his hands - which are sufficiently small enough to carry out the aforementioned overpowered strategies with ease.

Oh wow, I didn't remember that. :argh

I need voters :argh

[Vagrant Tom]

I vote for Vagrant Tom. :zaru

Me too! :) making message longer

[MrChubz]

I vote Cochise/Mad Titan I honestly can't see Zoro vs. Kaku and Ryuuma at the same time lasting more then a minute. And both characters are fast enough to react to whatever Blueno can do and dodge/block it while the other keeps Zoro busy.

[Teach]

Well Zoro'll only engage final moves so it shouldn't take alot of time :/

[Captain Apoo]

My problem with Teach's strategy is that you assume Ryuuma will be standing still whilst Zoro Asura's Kaku. I have no doubt post-EL Zoro could take Kaku out with ease but with Ryuuma by his side, I don't see it being effective. I'm certain that if Zoro went in for the Asura then Ryuuma would cut him up. His reactions, speed, tanking and raw power are several leagues higher than Kaku and he would be able to defend against Zoro.

However, I feel Mr 5 is a nobody in this match and with Blueno on Teach's side, Zoro's strategy will succeed since he isn't sending Zoro on his own up against two swordsmen. With those Rankyakus which can cut concrete in half Ryuuma will have to be aware of the situation and dodge meaning he can't help out Kaku.

Vote: TEACH

[Teach]

I'd like to note that Zoro knows Ryuumas weakness and he could really 1-shot him with Shuusui, fire attacks does that.

[Rice Ball]

He'd have to ignore the fact Kaku is there. Since that strike required him to have 2 hands using a single sword (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/467/14-15/) it makes him very vunerable to Kaku's attacks while he does that.
Kaku does have 3x the Douriki rating that Blueno has, it should be sufficent to all but ignore Blueno, Zoro, Ryuuma and Kaku will be in a different league when it comes to speed.

[Teach]

It takes about 2 secs to do that. Another 2 sec for Kaku and they win.

[Rice Ball]

It takes about 2 secs to do that. Another 2 sec for Kaku and they win.

You honestly believe you have 2 seconds :)
Ryuuma also knows of this attack, you can bet he'd not allow it to land this time.

[Brooke]

I vote for Mad Titan/Cochise overall it just seems like a better idea.Alright a longer version lol,Blueno is to slow to even factor into being useful you act like he is gonna open a door infront of the opponent then attack and then instantly appear in a different location to attack again.Every time he uses a door it takes some time for him to travel threw it.Let's say he attacks Kaku and he dodges or even uses Tekkai Blueno would need to escape in the door again there is a time period inbetween before he can strike.All the time gaps are whats gonna win this for Mad Titan/Cochise,Also I highly doubt Zoro can one shot Kaku with any normal strike yes he has a new sword but you act like it makes him God or something.Only way he can 1 Shot Ryuuma is if he uses the fire attack but as we have said Ryuuma would expect it and look out for it.

[StrawHat4Life]

I vote for Mad Titan/Cochise overall it just seems like a better idea.

You need to give a more specific reason then that. Once again nothing against you, but rules are rules.

[Teach]

Better idea=/=who actually wins.

[Brooke]

Ok I edited it so we will see if it is a good enough explaination.

[Vagrant Tom]

This match is closed



Cochise/Mad Titan wins 4 - 1

[busterbob143]

I vote for Vagrant Tom. kaku was clearly stronger than zoro. He had him in a corner for gods sake. The only reason zoro won was because he had a very powerful technique. Zoro was gonna lose to kaku's 4 style sword technique. Kaku had better shots on zoro than zoro did to kaku. Also blueno's air door technique is good but there is no way he is gonna jump in a air door and just shigan someone in the back of the head unless he is bloodlusted. Vagrant Tom wins this.

[StrawHat4Life]

I vote for Vagrant Tom. kaku was clearly stronger than zoro. He had him in a corner for gods sake. The only reason zoro won was because he had a very powerful technique. Zoro was gonna lose to kaku's 4 style sword technique. Kaku had better shots on zoro than zoro did to kaku. Also blueno's air door technique is good but there is no way he is gonna jump in a air door and just shigan someone in the back of the head unless he is bloodlusted. Vagrant Tom wins this.

Wrong match but the vote is still appreciated (reps).