Kimimaru vs. Gai

[TheKnownTRUTH]

Who wins this one Kimimaru isnt sick

[TheKnownTRUTH]

I havent seen much from Gai that can do anything to Kimimaru lee was good until Kimi got serious

[Kieuseru]

Gai wins. He'll have trouble because of Kimi's durability, but Asa Kujaku should be enough to put him down.

I havent seen much from Gai that can do anything to Kimimaru lee was good until Kimi got serious

Are you comparing pre Lee to Gai?

[L. Lawliet]

Kimimaro is my favorite character in the manga, but even I am not going to try and lie to myself. Gai would take this one. You can't even compare him to Lee. Lee was just out of the hospital at the time as well. Kimimaro could've destroyed a healthy Lee as well, but Gai is on a completely different level. Gai would beat Kimimaro.

[TheKnownTRUTH]

No im not comparing i was talking about when lee was using drunken fist. But yeah it would be tough for Gai to win this one

[Dman]

i say kimi can even kill gated gai,he owned lee.gai aint that much better.kimi ha so much skill and that was when he was sick.

[Roland]

Gai wins assuming he begins with the gates. Otherwise he won't have a way to hurt Kimimaro and will eventually be beaten.

[Illusions]

Gai wins, but he definitely needs to open a gate or 5.

[Vangelis]

Gai wins but im thinking he would need to open at least 5 gates to pull off the victory.

[master bruce]

No im not comparing i was talking about when lee was using drunken fist. But yeah it would be tough for Gai to win this one

look at this;
kimi fought a fresh-from-the-hospital Lee, who wasn't even in a "real" fighting condition,which made the fight about even considering kimi was messed up too.

Now, take into consideration that Lee was still holding his own and even started getting the upper hand when he was drunken fighting(kimi could barely land a blow, but Lee could hit him.)

That was pre time skip weighted-nongated Lee.
This is Gai sama,he is levels above post Lee,who is far above what he was in the kimi fight.

So you mean to tell me that you think even a healthy kimi(who couldn't be that much better than sick kimi,when compared to an elite jounin,epecially an elite jonin on Gai's level.) could even stand a chance of surviving more than 5 seconds against a bijuu level elite jonin/s-class shinobi like Gai-sama?


Are you serious?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?

Maito bitch slaps Kisame.

[Stephen]

Gai wins he'll have to go in too 5 gates to beat him

[Illusions]

Dude,are you on crack?!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????????!!!!?!????????? ?


look at this;
kimi fought a fresh-from-the-hospital Lee, who wasn't even in a "real" fighting condition,which made the fight about even considering kimi was messed up too.

Now, take into consideration that Lee was still holding his own and even started getting the upper hand when he was drunken fighting(kimi could barely land a blow, but Lee could hit him.)

That was pre time skip weighted-nongated Lee.
This is Gai sama,he is levels above post Lee,who is far above what he was in the kimi fight.

So you mean to tell me that you think even a healthy kimi(who couldn't be that much better than sick kimi,when compared to an elite jounin,epecially an elite jonin on Gai's level.) could even stand a chance of surviving more than 5 seconds against a bijuu level elite jonin/s-class shinobi like Gai-sama?


Are you serious?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?

Maito bitch slaps Kisame.

Your arguments are true, but please, do not totally underestimate Kimimaro.

He was after all the first Taijutsu expert who basically should have beaten Gaara and that without even being injured from the fight, but merely from his disease while Gaara was totally worn out.

Not many, if any, taijutsu users have so much to brag about.

Surely Gai wins, but don't present Kimi as low level fodder.

[Hatake Riku]

Until Gai gets old or killed, lee isn't going to surpass someone he trains with constantly, let me just say that off the bat for those saying gai is "barely" better than lee. What we saw vs kisame was just kishi trying to show us the 6th gate. Not really a battle, cause do we know if gai had on weights or not? or if lee did? No way the speed kisame showed would blitz Lee without weights like that...we all know it. Lee isn't as strong as gai yet, gai would probably punch this guy and make kimi explode or something. U guys need to stop saying lee is just as good as gai, gai is jounin lee is chuunin get ur facts straight.

Gai takes this

[muishot]

I don't want to dwell too deep into this fight since I don't really have an interest in it. But I believe many people are overrated Gai way too much.

Gai's taijutsus and power are awesome especially with gates but thus far I don't see anything from him that says he could pierce Kimi's bones. Punching alone in this battle would do no good against Kimi harder than metal bones armor that he can extend at will. Assuming Gai go for the punch, how would he be able to deal with Kimi's bones sticking out like daggers and cut his arms?

Unless Gai has some moves like the CHidori, Kusanagi, or a wind chakra sword like Asuma that allow him to cut through tough objects, he would have very little chance to defeat Kimi.

Gaara's 100 meters sand burial couldn't put a dent in to his bones armor, how would Gai's punch be able to break it? Rock Lee opens 5 gates only able to shatter a little of Gaara's body Armor a little. But Gaara's body armor is inferior to Kimi's bones armor.

I am referring to the armor that Gaara always had on like his body skin.

[sanji's left eye]

Until Gai gets old or killed, lee isn't going to surpass someone he trains with constantly, let me just say that off the bat for those saying gai is "barely" better than lee. What we saw vs kisame was just kishi trying to show us the 6th gate. Not really a battle, cause do we know if gai had on weights or not? or if lee did? No way the speed kisame showed would blitz Lee without weights like that...we all know it. Lee isn't as strong as gai yet, gai would probably punch this guy and make kimi explode or something. U guys need to stop saying lee is just as good as gai, gai is jounin lee is chuunin get ur facts straight.

Gai takes this

just cuz lee is chunin doesnt mean he is chunin level. naruto is a genin but he is elite jounin/low kage level. btu i do agree gai is better than lee at least 4 now.

anyway gai owns. gai is elite jounin level while kimi CS2 is mid jounin at best. gai could always damage kimi's organs with his punches and nunshuks. he might be able ables 2 break some bones b 4 kimi can harden them. gai already outclasses him speed so i think an onslaught of attacks should eventually bring kimi down. perhaps a primary lotus but the hidden lotus seems 2 much

[Hatake Riku]

I'll accept that Lee might be stronger than the average chuunin yeah...but if he was good enough to be a jounin why isn't he? Neji is 1 and he didnt even want to be a jounin.

[Captain Apoo]

I havent seen much from Gai that can do anything to Kimimaru lee was good until Kimi got serious

Don't even think about comparing the abilities of Lee vs Gai.

Gai's Asa Kujaku would absolutely annihilate. I doubt Kimi can create bones fast or strong enough to protect against it. Gai was able to strike Kisame in 6 Gates faster than the SHoten could think, after all.

[LouDAgreat]

Gai definately wins. He opens up the 6th gate and annihilates Kimmimaru. Gai Breaks every bone in Kimmimaru's body, and Kimmi just loses

[Halcyon Days]

i say kimi can even kill gated gai,he owned lee.gai aint that much better.kimi ha so much skill and that was when he was sick.

Lee was only at 30%-45% when coming from teh hospital and could only go one way and was much slower andn weaker. Gaara even said so himself, and you say Gai moving at 300 k/mph can't win with uber strength and speed, Who are you:amazed Gai will be using Kimi for toothpicks in under 15 minutes.

[Zatoichi]

Lee was only at 30%-45% when coming from teh hospital and could only go one way and was much slower and weaker. Gaara even said so himself, and you say Gai moving at 300 k/mph can't win with uber strength and speed, Who are you:amazed Gai will be using Kimi for toothpicks in under 15 minutes.


Where did you get those numbers from? If were just going to create numbers, then Kimi was at 15%.

Yes, Lee was weaker than normal, and was only capable of opening up 1 gate.

However, Kimimaro was DYING............not simply weakened, he was dying. He got up off of his death bed, to take on Lee and Gaara (Gaara who wasnt weakened). Yet Kimimaro still in his own way won. Had he not died, Gaara would have been dead and Lee shortly followed.

Stop understimating Kimi people. He was arguably the most powerful of the fodder nin. There was a reason why Orochimaru wanted Kimi as his vessel, why Oro even said that with Kimi he didnt even need the Sharingan.

This page says it all.............
http://img36.onemanga.com/mangas/00000004/00000201/17.jpg




With all that said though, since OP did not place a restriction on Gai, then all Gai has to do is unlock a high enough gate and overwhelm Kimi. Even if Kimi is one of the most durable characters ever introduced in the manga, there would only be so long he could last getting hit by a 4+ gate Gai.

Healthy Kimimaro >> No Gate Gai
High Gate Gai >> Healthy Kimimaro

[TWF]

Lee wasn't anywhere near full health or fighting capability and was to top it off drunk. Gai annihilates Kimimaro, he isn't on that Gokken Master's level or even near it.

[Zatoichi]

Lee wasn't anywhere near full health or fighting capability and was to top it off drunk.


He was closer to full health then you make it sound. Especially considering he was still able to use the first gate.

As far as being drunk, that was actually beneficial, and it was the only thing which was allowing him to stay in the fight.

[Halcyon Days]

Where did you get those numbers from? If were just going to create numbers, then Kimi was at 15%.

Yes, Lee was weaker than normal, and was only capable of opening up 1 gate.

Don't take those numbers seriously their just something peoplem pass out around here, btu speed or not he wins. Lee's first gate doesn't prove that he was completely healthy. Afterall, the first gate doesnt have any damaging affects on the body. So he could still he hurt and open it.

However, Kimimaro was DYING............not simply weakened, he was dying. He got up off of his death bed, to take on Lee and Gaara (Gaara who wasnt weakened). Yet Kimimaro still in his own way won. Had he not died, Gaara would have been dead and Lee shortly followed.

Please, spare me. I hate how people try to overrate kimi with that dying stuff. It was blantently obvious that Kimi was fighting at his full potential in order to fulfill Orochimaru;s ambitions. Everytime he was caught in one of Gaara's jutsus he remembered somethign Orochimaru and him did or said. He even said he wont let anyone stop Orochimaru's ambitions.

Stop understimating Kimi people. He was arguably the most powerful of the fodder nin. There was a reason why Orochimaru wanted Kimi as his vessel, why Oro even said that with Kimi he didnt even need the Sharingan.

No one's underestimating him you're overrating him and underrating Gai. The only reason he was wanted as a vessel because his body is extremely hard to destroy thats why he wanted him. Not because they were the strongest clan. If thats the case they wouldnt have died.

If your page says it all then so does these.
here [A] (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/262/03/)
here B (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/16-17/)

With all that said though, since OP did not place a restriction on Gai, then all Gai has to do is unlock a high enough gate and overwhelm Kimi. Even if Kimi is one of the most durable characters ever introduced in the manga, there would only be so long he could last getting hit by a 4+ gate Gai.

Healthy Kimimaro >> No Gate Gai
High Gate Gai >> Healthy Kimimaro

4 gated Gai wouldn't be needed. Base gai can crush huge boulders, and kimi's bones are only 1-2 inches thick. I doubt he'd have much trouble.

healthy kimi w/o Orochimaru ambitions <<< Sick Kimimmaro w/Orochimaru ambitions

Base Gai >> Kimi up to CS1
CS2 Kimi > Base Gai
Gated Gai >>> CS2 Kimi

[Dman]

if gaaras sand coffin couldnt break kimi then i dought gai could.this is just my opinion.

[Halcyon Days]

To bad desert coffin can't crush giant boulders either, right?

[TheKnownTRUTH]

if gaaras sand coffin couldnt break kimi then i dought gai could.this is just my opinion.

are you serious? Gai cant make thousands of his bones come out of the ground

[TWF]

Gai doesn't need Hachimon to beat Kimimaro, he casually punches people through concrete walls like its nothing. And no people, Kimimaro's bones are not as hard as steel. It was just a simple metaphor. :sag

[Brooke]

I don't know why people even bring Gaara into the equation when defending Kimi.Are you saying Gai would have trouble against Gaara at that lvl? come on Gai Rapes!

[Rescuebear]

Kimimaro's style of taijitsu is superior, he would win.

[Slippy Toad]

Kimmimaro could keep up only with wieghted Lee. I never saw him take the weights off.

My vote is for Gai. Speed, strength, and experience are all in his favor.

[Kokain]

Gai's taijutsus and power are awesome especially with gates but thus far I don't see anything from him that says he could pierce Kimi's bones. Punching alone in this battle would do no good against Kimi harder than metal bones armor that he can extend at will. Assuming Gai go for the punch, how would he be able to deal with Kimi's bones sticking out like daggers and cut his arms?

Gaara's 100 meters sand burial couldn't put a dent in to his bones armor, how would Gai's punch be able to break it? Rock Lee opens 5 gates only able to shatter a little of Gaara's body Armor a little. But Gaara's body armor is inferior to Kimi's bones armor.

His bones aren't invincible. Kimimaro managed to shatter his own bone spear when he tried to smash it against Gaara's absolute defense.

I'm pretty sure Gai can punch harder than Kimi and break his bones.

[muishot]

His bones aren't invincible. Kimimaro managed to shatter his own bone spear when he tried to smash it against Gaara's absolute defense.

I'm pretty sure Gai can punch harder than Kimi and break his bones.

The reason Kimi's bone break against Gaara's Shukaku's shield because it is the most powerful shield. It could be as strong as Orochimaru's Hell Gate thing. Gai can punch Kimi's through walls all he want but he is not hurting Kimi one bit.

Let me ask you a question, do you actually believe that Gai's punches are stronger than Gaara's 100 meters or something sand burial that bury Kimi deep underground and try to crush him with the sheer weight and pressure of the sand? Even with all that pressure, he couldn't even make a dent to Kimi's bone armor.

Gai's punches are a form pressure. When you punch someone, you exert your pressure in a form of the punch in order to hurt that person.

[muishot]

Kimmimaro could keep up only with wieghted Lee. I never saw him take the weights off.

My vote is for Gai. Speed, strength, and experience are all in his favor.

Gai has more experience than Kimi, no doubt but the problem here is Kimi has a perfect defense against a Taijutsu fighter like Gai. It is similar to Gaara against Lee.

The reason Kimi couldn't dodge or evade drunk Lee's attack because of his unpredictability, not because he couldn't follow the speed. Similar to how the One Tail Kyubi Naruto confuse the 2 tomoes sharingan Sasuke. However, Gai can still land hits on Kimi.

The only real argument here is whether Gai can break Kimi's bones? My bet is no. You said that Gai can break it with sheer power. Kimi's bones is compress to the point that it can't be break or at least makes it harder than steel, so without something like Chidori, rasengan, kusanagi, etc, I don't see how Gai with only his punches can break Kimi's bones.

[Zatoichi]

Don't take those numbers seriously their just something peoplem pass out around here, btu speed or not he wins. Lee's first gate doesn't prove that he was completely healthy. Afterall, the first gate doesnt have any damaging affects on the body. So he could still he hurt and open it.

I didnt say anything about Lee being completely healthy because he could open up the first gate, I said he clearly wasnt as unhealthy as people claim him to be.


Please, spare me. I hate how people try to overrate kimi with that dying stuff. It was blantently obvious that Kimi was fighting at his full potential in order to fulfill Orochimaru;s ambitions. Everytime he was caught in one of Gaara's jutsus he remembered somethign Orochimaru and him did or said. He even said he wont let anyone stop Orochimaru's ambitions.

What the is there to spare? He got up off his death bed. Dont give me this crap about him being perfectly fine when at the same time your trying to play up Lee's weakness. Fighting for Orochimaru didnt prevent the disease from claiming Kimimaros life, did it? Nope.


No one's underestimating him you're overrating him and underrating Gai. The only reason he was wanted as a vessel because his body is extremely hard to destroy thats why he wanted him. Not because they were the strongest clan. If thats the case they wouldnt have died.


Who said I was underestimating Gai? I said that since OP did not place restrictions on Gai, then Gai wins. By claiming Gai wins, I am underestimating him? :huh

Also, where are you getting this "strongest clan" line from? I didnt say that, Kabuto and Oro didnt say that. No, Oro was saying Kimi was the body he desired most, and Kabuto said that the Kaguya clan had the "most perfect and powerful bodies of all".

If your addressing other people's belief in what that page said, then you should make that clearer. The page says, what the page says. So yes, the Kaguya are not the "most powerful clan", they were never claimed to be.


If your page says it all then so does these.
here [A] (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/262/03/)


Uhmm, he hit a boulder which did not break :P


here B (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/258/16-17/)


Uhmm yeah, he was in unlocked Gate Mode. I acknowledged that, and I quote "High Gate Gai >> Healthy Kimimaro". So why show me that page? I wasnt ever doubting Gate Mode Gai. :huh


Base Gai >> Kimi up to CS1
CS2 Kimi > Base Gai
Gated Gai >>> CS2 Kimi

Why did you go to all that trouble of trouncing on my post, when you arrived at the EXACT FUCKING CONCLUSION I DID!!!???

Did you think I was saying, no CS Kimimaro? If you did, then my apologies, and I can understand why you thought I was underestimating Gai this whole time.

Obviously Gai has a no CS Kimi beat any day of the week. However I guess I should have made it clearer what I was getting at, and should have said "CS1/CS2 Kimimaro" rather then simply "Kimimaro".

So my bad.

[Nodonn]

The reason Kimi's bone break against Gaara's Shukaku's shield because it is the most powerful shield. It could be as strong as Orochimaru's Hell Gate thing. Gai can punch Kimi's through walls all he want but he is not hurting Kimi one bit.

Go grab a block of concrete. Got it?

Now try to break it by pressing it against a normal wall, and after that try to do it against a block of solid titanium.
Kimi was able to break the bones with his own strength, Gaara's defence has nothing to do with it.

[Trivub]

kimimaro wins this.
his intelligence and skills are above gai.
Of course Gai can open gates, but kimimaro can go curse seal.

Base kimimaro is stronger than Gai.

[BAD BD]

Healthy Kimi wins. His bones could probably withstand an attack from gates.

He put Juugo down without any Sharingan hax or summons. He had to have been strong.

[LiveFire]

Gai with mild difficulty. His gates would overcome mostly anything.

[sworder]

Who knows... it depends on how strong Kimi's bones are. Gai w/ gates could punch Kimi and end up breaking his own bones instead :awesome

But I think Gai wins.

[~ Son of SPARDA ~]

Since both Gai and Kimimaro are strictly Taijutsu fighters, I'd have to say that Gai would definitely have the upper hand in this match-up given his superiority over Kimimaro in experience alone. Gai wins.

[Shiranui]

I would like to believe that Kimimaro has more than what he showed against Rock Lee and Sabaku no Gaara, but in this case (without his sickness) it's hard to factor this in. So I'll take it as, he doesn't die mid-fight. There will be a struggle, with the abnormal defense Kimimao poses as well as quick acting offense. However, with the aid of Hachimon Gai will probably find a way to win. Though I am quite skeptical, for the reasons I say.

[Halcyon Days]

I still say the only reason he fought so strongly was to succeed Orochimaru's ambitions. The only thing full health would do is make the battle longer.

[Ragormha]

Why the hell is Kimimaro being so grossly underestimated?

His bloodline is the perfect counter to Taijutsu, if someone's going to punch Kimi his bones can either catch them, or just form a spiky barrier that will cause damage to the flesh of the attacker.

Bear in mind Lee is basically mini-Gai and Kimimaro had no trouble dodging the hard-line attacks of the Strong Fist style (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/210/14/), it took Suiken for Lee to be able to seriously take the fight to Kimimaro and even then that ended with CS1.

Not to mention Gai isn't exactly quick to use the Hachimon, which he only did on Kisame because TenTen was drowning and he was trapped in Kisame's domain, he had to make a quick decision to use it...the scenario here is vastly different.

Another thing to mention is that Kimimaro, being healthy, won't be dying all of a sudden, which is what took him out. He is also arguably stronger as he was certainly close to death at the time of the fight and knew his death was coming. The fact he was coughing up blood during the fight implies internal organ damage which will decrease his performance.
Remember he took two moves that would have crushed anyone else (Gaara's Sabaku Soso and Sabaku Taiso ) and they hardly did more than cosmetic damage.
Gai's attacks, especially in the higher CS levels, are seriously going to have trouble not only hitting him but also causing damage.

Now this will change with the Hachimon, but Gai knows the risks of this move and bear in mind every second someone is in that state they run the risk of tearing tendons and muscles and generally exhausting themselves, Kimi is one of the strongest tanks in the series and all he has to do is take the punishment until Gai breaks.
Of course, this is easier said than done but remember Hachimon is not the "lulz, I win" when dealing with tanks like Kimimaro, granted if he brings out Asa Kujaku there's certainly the probability of high damage.

I think Kimimaro actually has a good chance of beating Gai, provided both are IC, in base form they are somewhat equal with Gai holding something of a speed advantage IMO.
In CS1 and CS2 Kimimaro holds the distinct advantage, especially with an enhanced bloodline limit, and in CS2 especially I believe he has the power to tank even Hachimon Gai's attacks for some time.

[Ragormha]

Because blocking the attacks of a boy who has really heavy weights on and just came out of surgery is remarkable.

First of all, proof he was wearing weights?
Even then Lee has proven that he was still fast with weights, he was just top-tier without them, and even then it doesn't change the fact Kimimaro's bloodline is perfect for countering Taijutsu and even then it doesn't change the fact Kimimaro is a serious tank.

[Death-kun]

If Kimimaro isn't sick, he takes this with extreme difficulty. Is Gai allowed to use the gates though? I think the 6th or 7th gate would completely shatter Kimimaro's bones, no matter how calcified they are.

[Itachi's Apprentice 3]

Kimimaru is powerful but I seriously doubt he could match the skills of a Jounin least of all Gai :zaru. If necessary he will open the 6 gates but it will probably not be needed.

[Cooli]

Kimimaru is powerful but I seriously doubt he could match the skills of a Jounin least of all Gai :zaru. If necessary he will open the 6 gates but it will probably not be needed.

Even if he did open the gates it wouldnt mean much if he cant do any damage

When Kimi fought Gaara he was being crushed under all that sand and he still didnt die or get injured

So i'd have to say kimi wins

[bug_ninja]

I'd give this to Kimimaru for his bone shield and his Sawarabi no Mai (bone graveyard) cause you can't dodge or esape that jutsu.

[maximilyan]

Drunk rock lee no gates was enough to get kimimaru serious, base on that i'd go with gai.

[shadow5050]

Kimimaru wins as long as he is'nt sickhttp://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x14/kakashi_itachi7/Kimimaro.jpg

[akatsuki8]

kimmimaru would own because he was one of oro's strongest ninjas