US Sniper Used the Koran As Target Practice

[Altron]

US sniper shot at Koran in Iraq
A US sniper in Iraq
The US military said the soldier's actions were an isolated incident

An American sniper has been sent home from Iraq for using a copy of the Koran for target practice at a shooting range near Baghdad, the US military says.

The Muslim holy book was found riddled with bullet holes last week by Iraqi police, who also discovered offensive graffiti inside its cover.

A US military spokesman said the soldier had been removed from his unit, sent home, and would be disciplined.

He was unnamed, but was reportedly a staff sergeant in a sniper section.

US military spokesman Colonel Bill Buckner said the incident was "both serious and deeply troubling", but stressed it was an "isolated incident and a result of one soldier's actions".

The US army's commander in Baghdad, Major-General Jeffery Hammond, made a personal apology to local Sunni Arab leaders in Radwaniya, CNN reported.

On arrival, he was met by hundreds of protesting tribesmen.

"In the most humble manner, I look into your eyes today and I say, please forgive me and my soldiers," Gen Hammond said, according to CNN.

The military presented the elders with a new copy of the Koran.

An Iraqi community leader said Sunni Arab tribal units who fought alongside US forces had threatened to quit, but that the US apology had assuaged their anger.

"I was feeling bitterness, but as long as they apologised we are okay with them. Our anger has cooled," Saeed al-Zubaie told Reuters.

Link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7407187.stm

Seriously, what a disgrace, he is fighting in the most hated war in the world aside from Vietnam, and he is in a place where everybody would kill him if they had the chance, and the people of Iraq and Muslims there, and then you make the US Military and the USA look bad by using the holiest book in Islam as target practice? I hope someone discharges this asshole and kick his ass for making the USA even more hated.

This guy is the epitome of idiocy, especially using something so sacred by millions as a mere target. And even start turning our Iraqi allies against us for deliberately defiling the holiest book to Muslims.


*Waits for Black Fenix to enter.............

[CrazyMoronX]

What do you mean disciplined? I don't see why. If he was shooting the bible, this wouldn't even make the news.

[Zaru]

That guy should get the medal of honor.

[batanga]

BAWWWW
http://mouhez.net/paska/baww.png

[dreams lie]

That's a fresh batch of propaganda for the terrorists to use. :facepalm

[Diceman]

Such disrespect,i dont like organized religion and love to make fun of it,but thats just overkill.
I could understand if he was some sorta redneck hick,but he's in military,he should know better to respect some stuff.I hope he gets a dishonorable discharge.

[Blaze of Glory]

USA! :zaru

Ha ha

Sorry

No but seriously, I'm digusted and pissed off at this motherfucker

[Tyrael]

Yeah, it's disrespectful and insulting, but the fact that soldiers train to shoot humans is somewhat more relevant. Soldiers shoot things: if it is just an inanimate object that ends up a target I reckon that is better than, say, a civilian, ally, or even insurgent who only wants to fight against these westerners they see attempting to control their country. Although the book carries heavy symbolic meaning, it is only symbolic-it's important to keep that in context.

Although showing such obvious disrespect to the country's customs is well...:facepalm

[amazingfunksta]

I think that definitely deserves a facepalm *facepalms himself*.

That's just giving the muslim community even more reason to hate us. That sniper should know that they don't play around with that shit "hence the whole reason Sunni's and Shiites have been killing each other for centuries over the stuff". It's all about respect, how can you expect them to respect us, if we don't respect them?...

I mean, it's somewhat hypocritical that if they burned a bible, it wouldn't make any news... But at the same time, our soldiers should have some common sense... Actions like that feed radicalist propaganda, in turn, creating more work for us. As I said, I don't think it's a big deal other than the fact that it fuels hatred. It's a fact, Americans wouldn't get nearly as pissed about a burning bible as much as Muslims would get pissed about a burning Koran, so why would that soldier risk pissing them off more than they already are? Purely retarded.

[T4R0K]

"In the most humble manner, I look into your eyes today and I say, please forgive me and my soldiers," Gen Hammond said, according to CNN.

The military presented the elders with a new copy of the Koran.

An Iraqi community leader said Sunni Arab tribal units who fought alongside US forces had threatened to quit, but that the US apology had assuaged their anger.

"I was feeling bitterness, but as long as they apologised we are okay with them. Our anger has cooled," Saeed al-Zubaie told Reuters.

That part is important.

Yes, even I say it's just a book, but again, I could say about a dead person "it's just a mass of decaying matter" and kick it. The problem is that it will always pose a problem to someone else, and if that someone happens to try to make efforts to get along with you, you just screwed up your chances because you didn't try to see the other one's point of view.

It's just a book, but it could mean losing support from a very instable ally, that may turn around against you at the moment things started to look better.

Aka "Lol, let's throw shit at the fan" or "Immah gonna shoot my foot"

BTW, am I a japanophile if I couldn't help but picture the General saying "I'm really sorry" the japanese way ("Sumimasen deshita !" + bowing) ?

[iLurk]

"Koran has holes"

So does every holy book.

They all have holes.

[Nightmare]

wow thats pretty assholeish :lmao

[Tokoyami]

I found this highly amusing.

[T4R0K]

"Koran has holes"

So does every holy book.

They all have holes.

:laugh Good one, I missed it ! Contains more PNJ and Plotkai than Naruto + Bleach combined, lol.

Now, if he was shooting at "The Origin of Species"...

[batanga]

"Koran has holes"

So does every holy book.

They all have holes.
Epic right there :argh

[Kieuseru]

That's really disrespectful, and it could have cost the US an ally. This guy needs to think before he acts.

[beads]

:laugh Good one, I missed it ! Contains more PNJ and Plotkai than Naruto + Bleach combined, lol.

Now, if he was shooting at "The Origin of Species"...

Everything can have holes in it if you try hard enough.

[T4R0K]

Everything can have holes in it if you try hard enough.

...

Huhuhuhuhuhu... I'm getting perverted ideas... :nod :hehee

Lol holes.

[sadated_peon]

Insurgents should start strapping Qurans all over their bodies, that way the US army couldn't shoot any of them.

or better yet they should hide in mosques so that ... o wait they already do.

[Megaharrison]

This reminds me of the time that Muslims started running around rioting and killing each other after the rumor that Guantanamo Guards flushed a Koran down the toilets.

[wolfman_120]

This guy's an idiot. Seriously, I bet this guy doesn't even know what the Koran is about and what it represents. Just cuz the idiot is in Iraq and fighting people who happen to be Muslim he thinks it's right to disrespect a book which represent thousands of people worldwide? I hope this guy gets a severe punishment

[DaNuKA_SAN]

Note to self:

If ever in need of urgently escaping a hopeless war scenario, shoot an indigenous religious symbol.

[Ters]

One soldier, wow. Flags and crosses get burned all the time. Get over it.

[Diceman]

One soldier, wow. Flags and crosses get burned all the time. Get over it.

Still doesnt make it right.(flag and crossburning included)

[Sarutobi sasuke]

Dick head.

[GottSein]

This guy's an idiot. Seriously, I bet this guy doesn't even know what the Koran is about and what it represents. Just cuz the idiot is in Iraq and fighting people who happen to be Muslim he thinks it's right to disrespect a book which represent thousands of people worldwide? I hope this guy gets a severe punishment

If there is anything Americans can relate too it's the bible and I'm sure there is a comparison there between the Koran and the bible.

Muslims around the world are free to burn American flags and drag DEAD American bodies across the street and hang them from a bridge yet if one American soldier shoots a book it's a big deal. Where was the apology from the muslim world when the whole Falluja incident went down.

I couldn't give 2 shits about someone's feelings being hurt. If your life is that centered around a book you need to wake the fuck up.

[beads]

If there is anything Americans can relate too it's the bible and I'm sure there is a comparison there between the Koran and the bible.

Muslims around the world are free to burn American flags and drag DEAD American bodies across the street and hang them from a bridge yet if one American soldier shoots a book it's a big deal. Where was the apology from the muslim world when the whole Falluja incident went down.

I couldn't give 2 shits about someone's feelings being hurt. If your life is that centered around a book you need to wake the fuck up.

Where was the apology when we invaded their country and killed civilians?
And sadly, most people's lives who believe in a form of religion do revolve around a book. Go figure.

[nindragon]

People go crazy eventually in war.

[BandGeekNinja]

This reminds me of the time that Muslims started running around rioting and each other after the rumor that Guantanamo Guards flushed a Koran down the toilets.

there's usually a basis of truth in such rumors, however small

[Blaze of Glory]

Another reason I want us out of Iraq

Because stupid fucks like them keep making a mockery out of the U.S.

[Altron]

If anything this will increase the hostilities yet again and may even give the enemy another weapon to use.

[Blaze of Glory]

To anyone who does not take the severity of this issue serious enough I pity you

You have no sensitivity whatsoever

[Masaki]

Note to self:

If ever in need of urgently escaping a hopeless war scenario, shoot an indigenous religious symbol.

Yep, cause I doubt the entire having a life back at home would work for them.

[Kanae-chan]

That's a fresh batch of propaganda for the terrorists to use. :facepalm
QFT.

Seriously, everyone already hates this war to begin with. Way to go, soldier, let's just make the U.S.A look like shit on the way.

[Denji]

What an ass.:facepalm

[SeventhDan]

Seriously, what a disgrace, he is fighting in the most hated war in the world aside from Vietnam, and he is in a place where everybody would kill him if they had the chance, and the people of Iraq and Muslims there

I could go on about how the Liberals in America continue to help keep the Palestinians in the Arab run Buchenwalds in Israel. Need I go on?

[Avocado]

This reminds me of the time that Muslims started running around rioting and killing each other after the rumor that Guantanamo Guards flushed a Koran down the toilets.

we are crazy

[iLurk]

What the hell are wrong with you people?

I still don't know what's the difference between flushing "Bambi" and "Koran" down the toilet.

They're basically fairy tales, right?

What's with the commotion?

[The Sentry]

So what....muslims use pages of the bible to wipe their asses....yet no one complains.
Good for him

[Cirus]

Wait!! Stop!!!!! Let me get this right......... They can burn the bible, the US flag (which is arguably held as a holy object by any US citizen), kill inocent US people, drag dead soildgers through streets, kill US military personel, spread hate, blame the US for all their problems, riot everytime they think something doesn't go their way, not complete medical classes (cause they say it violates their religion) to become a doctor, as a doctor refuse to give medical care to certain people (cause they say it violates their religion), refuse to fill certain perscriptions at pharmacies (cause they say it violates their religion), and then expect the US to say they are sorry when a random guy in the US military shoots the Koran. That is what out rages me. Yes I agree what the US military person did was wrong! but not to the point of what people are making it out to be.

I personally believe that the whole situation has been blown out of proportion in retrospect to the crime committed. I would like to see what would happen if everytime a catholic thing is Europe/US was desocrated and all the catholics rioted and killed people that were in oposition to them. Seriously I would, cause I know people wouldn't think the same about it as what is going on now in that area of the world.

[Blaze of Glory]

What the hell are wrong with you people?

I still don't know what's the difference between flushing "Bambi" and "Koran" down the toilet.

They're basically fairy tales, right?

What's with the commotion?

:facepalm

Once again, you do not understand how to sensitive to other people's feelings.

1. We're in a country where they obviously hate us and tensions are high.

2. Shooting one of their holy books is like burning your mom's mothers day present.

It's offensive. Shit that's like someone doing the same to you. What's also offensive about it the fact that we're on their territory. To not understand the wrongs behind this I don't know what to say.

[Megatonton]

I pity those military dudes, marred by an idiot. I really think they should give these guys a mental check-up every now and then.

[saint_Reginold]

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this isin't a big deal...

[Adonis]

So, American soldiers having been previously accused of raping and murdering children, that's reconcilable; but shooting a book and writing mean, angry comments on the inside cover is crossing a line?

[Blaze of Glory]

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this isin't a big deal...

Be glad you're amongst the ranks of ignorant idiots :zaru

[muad'dib]

That's kind of rude for them to do, isn't it?

[Cirus]

I pity those military dudes, marred by an idiot. I really think they should give these guys a mental check-up every now and then.
Do you have any idea the emotional and mental stress these military guys go through on a daily basis. I garuntee it is more then anything you will ever face in your entire life.

And yes they do go through mental check ups, but the thing is people will act normal to a certain point before having a mental breakdown, and do something stupid to blow off steam, release a little stress, or even just to relax a little.

[Jin-E]

Basically, the American Army are accurately aware that it takes only a single spark before the whole thing they have carefully built up will unravel and detoriate. They are walking a very thin line here, fully knowing that the Iraqi's tolerance line is exhaused and that the majority of the people support armed attacks against them.

If simple drawings in a fucking Danish paper can cause Embassy burning, Death threats and damage worth millions, then what kinda reaction would you imagine a member of the "Zionist-Crusaders" shooting a Quran would generate? The Army realized this and employed damage control immediately.

If they werent this forceful, it would bring them back to the dark days of Abu Ghraib, which was basically playing right up into the hands of the insurgency.

[Blaze of Glory]

Shit if he wanted target practice he should,ve went to town and got some cups or plates

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

What's the big deal, people deface religious books all of the time, the same way people burn contry's flags and are just generally disrespectful of iconic things...this isn't a big deal, it isn't even newsworthy.

In any religion a sensible person understands that holy books are just a vessel. Sure it might be offensive to some of the people in that religion. But the books not a person, neither is it part of God. It's just words written on paper...the true message should lie within the people practicing the religion.

[Cyrizian]

I don't know about you guys, but I take it very personally when someone burns the American flag. I know alot of good friends that died for this country. So when I see some crazy islamikaze burn an American flag... that gets me pretty pissed off.

If I was in this sniper's shoes, I would probably do the same thing. I can only imagine how many of his friends died. He was probably looking for the most sensitive thing to shoot to take his anger out on. I have heard stories of WWII GIs shooting Nazi helmets to relieve tension. I doubt the GIs were very sensitive to the SS's concerns.

We need to put this in perspective... We are at war. We kill or capture the enemy. End of subject. We don't care about their feelings. We defeat them. And when they are defeated, then and only then, do we try to make peace. That is the rules of war.

One day, when Al-Qaeda has surrendered, and stops slaughtering Iraqi civilians, we can "bury the hatchet" as it were.

At least that how things are supposed to be done...

[Megatonton]

I don't think an apology from the US military would suffice, though. Not to be an ass, but some Muslim groups rarely forgive and forget.

I just hope that this doesn't set the achievements made in Iraq a couple of years behind.

[Blaze of Glory]

What's the big deal, people deface religious books all of the time, the same way people burn contry's flags and are just generally disrespectful of iconic things...this isn't a big deal, it isn't even newsworthy. .

Alright, but we aren't those people we don't act the same way they do and practically everyone down their are strictly religious

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Alright, but we aren't those people we don't act the same way they do and practically everyone down their are strictly religious

They need to learn that everyone doesn't believe like them. We're talking about people who wanted to at one point sweep across country after country killing thousands for not believing like they do bitching all because someone shot a book. They need to get a little perspective and calm down.

Just like when the atheists were giving out porn in exchange for bibles. It didn't need to be on the news...it wasn't a big deal, nothing that the students themselves couldn't have dealt with.

[Jin-E]

They need to learn that everyone doesn't believe like them. We're talking about people who wanted to at one point sweep across country after country killing thousands for not believing like they do bitching all because someone shot a book. They need to get a little perspective and calm down.

Just like when the atheists were giving out porn in exchange for bibles. It didn't need to be on the news...it wasn't a big deal, nothing that the students themselves couldn't have dealt with.

This would play along with the Insurgency's strategy.

They paint the Americans as arrogant, murderous occupiers who doesnt show any respect to Iraqi culture or traditions. Its the image of an outsider stamping on everything you hold dear that stays, not simply that of an book with bullet holes.

What should they have done then? Ignore it and lol, get their allies pissed and creating another rebellion?

[Cirus]

Alright, but we aren't those people we don't act the same way they do and practically everyone down their are strictly religious
They are that way cause their religion is set up in a way so that it comes to that.<As said by a college professor who taught at one of the US's best cj schools/law schools, who was Muslim, and spent his entire life studying terrorism, and why the Muslim faith needs to be drastically changed in order to survive in the world.

They need to learn that everyone doesn't believe like them. We're talking about people who wanted to at one point sweep across country after country killing thousands for not believing like they do bitching all because someone shot a book. They need to get a little perspective and calm down.

Just like when the atheists were giving out porn in exchange for bibles. It didn't need to be on the news...it wasn't a big deal, nothing that the students themselves couldn't have dealt with.
Agreed. People over there need to change and learn that there are many ways of life, and many beliefs out in the world, and that just because they believe they are right doesn't mean everyone has to think their way.

[Blaze of Glory]

They need to learn that everyone doesn't believe like them. We're talking about people who wanted to at one point sweep across country after country killing thousands for not believing like they do bitching all because someone shot a book. They need to get a little perspective and calm down.


And that will happen when.......? :zaru

If we try to force our oppinions down their throats they won't like us..

Until we can get that through their heads and get into a more comfortable relationship with them I think we should let them and their beliefs be. Until they are able to trust us more in this situation now.. No.. It's best to apologize for the incompetence of our soldiers.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

And that will happen when.......? :zaru

If we try to force our oppinions down their throats they won't like us..

Until we can get that through their heads and get into a more comfortable relationship with them I think we should let them and their beliefs be. Until they are able to trust us more in this situation now.. No.. It's best to apologize for the incompetence of our soldiers.

Look at it this way, no one is forcing them to shoot the book. Its the same thing with abortion, I don't agree with it, but just because people are doing something I don't like I can't run out and detonate a bomb on an abortion clinic. These people are habitual over-reactors. They turn mountains into molehills and seem to neglect that they're biting the very hand that feeds them on a daily basis.

The sniper shot a book that he took offense too, maybe he had seen some friends die and he blames that book. It's not the books fault, but people's interpretation of that book. Even then he sees that as a source. I have nothing against muslims but people use that faith as a scapegoat for all kinds of things and the one time someone doesn't put a bullet in one of them for it, they get all up in arms.

Every faith, creed, religion and political view has its loonies. But one man shooting a book doesn't make him crazy, it doesn't even mean he hates muslims. He just might have seen some shit perpetrated because of that book that hurt him.

[Blaze of Glory]

Look at it this way, no one is forcing them to shoot the book. Its the same thing with abortion, I don't agree with it, but just because people are doing something I don't like I can't run out and detonate a bomb on an abortion clinic. These people are habitual over-reactors. They turn mountains into molehills and seem to neglect that they're biting the very hand that feeds them on a daily basis.

The sniper shot a book that he took offense too, maybe he had seen some friends die and he blames that book. It's not the books fault, but people's interpretation of that book. Even then he sees that as a source. I have nothing against muslims but people use that faith as a scapegoat for all kinds of things and the one time someone doesn't put a bullet in one of them for it, they get all up in arms.

Every faith, creed, religion and political view has its loonies. But one man shooting a book doesn't make him crazy, it doesn't even mean he hates muslims. He just might have seen some shit perpetrated because of that book that hurt him.


Regardless

Does not mean we should do that to the people who we are trying to save

Just because we're out trying to help them does not mean we can do whatever we want.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Regardless

Does not mean we should do that to the people who we are trying to save

Just because we're out trying to help them does not mean we can do whatever we want.

Who said we're trying to help them? We're trying to help ourselves...helping them is just a side effect.

[spaZ]

Its a book with words in it.. who cares...

[Amra]

I see a man who is forced to be away from his family, his loved ones, and risk his very life all essentially because of the Qu'ran, and so he shot what he felt was the cause and blame of the war. I wouldnt really call that wrong, evil or even unecessary. It was an expression of his own personal anger with the war and anger towards what he felt was the cause of the war. Its no different then them burning the US flag. Destroying a symbol of something is nothing more then a demonstration of Free Speech, and is done to show that what the symbol represents has become bastardized and lost its original purpose.

We seem so quick to call them terrorists, but arent they really nothing more then religious extremists driven by their own interpretation of the words in the Qu'ran? How is someone not justified to exhibit anger towards the driving force of their hatred for America? Thats not disrespectful to the terrorists, but instead is a message that they have destroyed the very point of the Qu'ran and that this war is an example of their folly.

[narutosimpson]

if it's north korean i guess it's alright, they have nukes after all. But s koreans, only if they don't have yogurt :iria

[The_Unforgiven]

Wow, how considerate of him.

[saint_Reginold]

Be glad you're amongst the ranks of ignorant idiots :zaru

Actually wouldn't you characterize not caring as apathetic?

And sorry I'm not that overly sensitive to care about something like this. I just don't think it's a big deal at all.

[pbj2day]

The only thing the Koran is good for is to be riddled with bullets since it was written by a false prophet.

[neko-sennin]

That's a fresh batch of propaganda for the terrorists to use. :facepalm

...Or it could be construed as someone in the brass being able to tell the difference between the million and one Muslims they're protecting, and the groups of fanatics they're fighting. Do you really think militants want to show potential recruits of Americans showing respect for their holy book? What they would have wanted was clips of Bush making jokes about it, that's how you stir up an angry mob.

Bush broke it, he bought, and now he's leaving future generations to pick up the pieces. We have no chance of getting our troops out of there in the long run without the cooperation of the Iraqi people, the majority of whom happen to be, um... Muslims of one sect or another?

...Then again, perhaps we could reunite Islam by giving every sect a common enemy. :huh

We seem so quick to call them terrorists, but arent they really nothing more then religious extremists driven by their own interpretation of the words in the Qu'ran? How is someone not justified to exhibit anger towards the driving force of their hatred for America? Thats not disrespectful to the terrorists, but instead is a message that they have destroyed the very point of the Qu'ran and that this war is an example of their folly.

Methinks you put way more thought into that than our soldier friend.

[nanni]

"I was feeling bitterness, but as long as they apologised we are okay with them. Our anger has cooled," Saeed al-Zubaie told Reuters.
what?
that easily forgiven? D:

[Chocochip]

I shouldn't have been sent home for fucking around with just a book:pek

[Razgriez]

Go cry a river fucking Muslims! Its just another fucking book with words written in it. They shit piss and burn our flag all the fricken time and you dont see us pissing and crying like little 3 year old kids who just had their teddy taken from them.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

People often seem to forget that they attacked us first more than once before we did anything substantial back.

[Pilaf]

I personally use the bible for my target practice, because it more directly threatens my freedoms at home, but the Quran is a nice second choice.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

I personally use the bible for my target practice, because it more directly threatens my freedoms at home, but the Quran is a nice second choice.

I would think with all your wacky liberal views you'd be afraid that using a gun would lead to conservatism and bombing abortion clinics.

[niyesuH]

People often seem to forget that they attacked us first more than once before we did anything substantial back.

who is this we and they you talk about?

[id_1948]

The problem is that this represents a dangerous attitude... An american soldier who is in a foriegn country using a symbol of that country as target practice

When he is deployed in an actual mission what are the chances of him shooting and killing civillians???

Also theres many examples of foriegners buring american flags in there own countries

But have you ever heard of foriegners burning the american flag in the US??

Its the timing and place that makes a difference

[Razgriez]

who is this we and they you talk about?

We did indirectly fuck with the region for awhile out of a few national interests like causing trouble for the Russians. At the time it seemed logical and it still seems logical and was an good move to fund and help the Afghani's own the hell out of the Russians simply because it resulted in an horrible defeat for the Russians and it didnt require an direct war and American losses.

However, many people in that region hate and detest everything that doesnt follow their ways which definitely includes us and since our way of life practically offends every fiber in their bodies it was inevitable that they would want to kill us all.

So they repeatedly attacked us and we just obliviously ignored it like retarded monkeys however just like any minor issue it just grows and grows until it gets completely out of control and it comes smashing into our faces such as 9/11. This problem isnt going to set itself straight if we just back up and leave the hot spot. Its just going to regroup and eventually throw us on the defensive. Maybe 10-20 years down the road the road side bombings will be happening in an neighborhood near you.

I dunno about you but I prefer to live by the "put yourself before others" mentality because at the end of the day if your dead you cant help your buddy out regardless. So, Im going to continue to support fighting in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, hell anywhere that keeps them from bringing the fight to us.

[niyesuH]

We did indirectly fuck with the region for awhile out of a few national interests like causing trouble for the Russians. At the time it seemed logical and it still seems logical and was an good move to fund and help the Afghani's own the hell out of the Russians simply because it resulted in an horrible defeat for the Russians and it didnt require an direct war and American losses.

However, many people in that region hate and detest everything that doesnt follow their ways which definitely includes us and since our way of life practically offends every fiber in their bodies it was inevitable that they would want to kill us all.

So they repeatedly attacked us and we just obliviously ignored it like retarded monkeys however just like any minor issue it just grows and grows until it gets completely out of control and it comes smashing into our faces such as 9/11. This problem isnt going to set itself straight if we just back up and leave the hot spot. Its just going to regroup and eventually throw us on the defensive. Maybe 10-20 years down the road the road side bombings will be happening in an neighborhood near you.

I dunno about you but I prefer to live by the "put yourself before others" mentality because at the end of the day if your dead you cant help your buddy out regardless. So, Im going to continue to support fighting in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, hell anywhere that keeps them from bringing the fight to us.

and shooting a Quran is gonna help this? it will only worsen the situation.. u need to be rational.. this problem can only fixed with proper education and communination..

and you should never look at it like we and they.. it would mean that u also include a muslim that lives in US.. or Asia for that matter..

[Cyrizian]

You're going to find that most muslims aren't very rational either. Education is nice and all but how do you get terrorists into classrooms?

[The Sentry]

Muslims deface religios relics all the time....look at that junk they got sitting on top of the Jewish Temple....then they are sooooooo stupid and say it never existed when there is proof. SHit im gonna buy a Koron or yet steal one.....shit on it and wipe my ass with it and post it on youtube

[niyesuH]

You're going to find that most muslims aren't very rational either. Education is nice and all but how do you get terrorists into classrooms?

prejudice will get u nowhere.. will only get u the same treatment back..

and i am not talking about terrorists here.. those are people that obviously have made up their mind.. i am talking about the kids.. just try to put yourself in their situation..


ofcourse having idiots makes the job hard.. *points at Sentry*

[Inuhanyou]

eh..every day i hear something so stupid like this,...and the freakin annoying thing is all these reports are isolated incidents but it comes back to the whole country's image anyway..why can't people have some restraint or something instead of doing idiotic things :facepalm

If there's one thing i hate the most in the world its idiots defacing the cred of my country like this asshat..sadly its all too common, although people do have a habit of overreacting the certain things its still so retarded.

[fghj]

I see a man who is forced to be away from his family, his loved ones, and risk his very life all essentially because of the Qu'ran, and so he shot what he felt was the cause and blame of the war.
That's such bullshit I don't even know what to say.

[niyesuH]

That's such bullshit I don't even know what to say.

yes it is.. blaming a religion really helps:facepalm it is the same kind of thinking Hitler used.. blame the jews.. sadly ignorant people still excist

[Cyrizian]

prejudice will get u nowhere.. will only get u the same treatment back..

and i am not talking about terrorists here.. those are people that obviously have made up their mind.. i am talking about the kids.. just try to put yourself in their situation..


ofcourse having idiots makes the job hard.. *points at Sentry*
But these are people that grew up thinking the most important thing they might ever get to do in life is kill a jew. How do you reform someone with that kind of mindset? If you think Sentry is prejudiced, you haven't the slightlest idea about how screwed up the mindset of islamic terrorists are. What your proposing is literally impossible. But your free to try it all the same.

But you go first...

[niyesuH]

But these are people that grew up thinking the most important thing they might ever get to do in life is kill a jew. How do you reform someone with that kind of mindset? If you think Sentry is prejudiced, you haven't the slightlest idea about how screwed up the mindset of islamic terrorists are. What your proposing is literally impossible. But your free to try it all the same.

But you go first...

as i said.. prejudice will get u nowhere.. u really think a Malaysian thinks only about killing a jew?

Islam is not limited to Arabia.. when u insult the Quran u can also insult a muslim US soldier doing his job.. it's not impossible.. u just have to see the bigger picture and not be so ignorant towards other peoples feelings/ problems

[FrostXian]

This is a war between religions. Nothing else.

[Amra]

That's such bullshit I don't even know what to say.
Thats such an assumption I don't even know what to say.

Try contemplating it in context of the whole post. He is away from all of his loved ones, and his very life is at risk ultimately because of that book, and you think he doesn't have the right to express his disdain? I think his message is far more personal then you think, and reflects the sentiments of a lot more people then we are willing to lead on.

[LiveFire]

That guy should get a medal of some sort :quite

[Razgriez]

and shooting a Quran is gonna help this? it will only worsen the situation.. u need to be rational.. this problem can only fixed with proper education and communination..

and you should never look at it like we and they.. it would mean that u also include a muslim that lives in US.. or Asia for that matter..

How do you suggest that? These people have been living these highly strict life styles for over an thousand years. These guys got sticks so far up their ass it was probably sticking out of their mouths.

I guess telling others to lighten up is just as wishful as trying to educate to not give a fuck as well.

[beads]

Do you have any idea the emotional and mental stress these military guys go through on a daily basis. I garuntee it is more then anything you will ever face in your entire life.

And yes they do go through mental check ups, but the thing is people will act normal to a certain point before having a mental breakdown, and do something stupid to blow off steam, release a little stress, or even just to relax a little.
So shooting a holy book is "blowing of a little steam and relaxing"?

The only thing the Koran is good for is to be riddled with bullets since it was written by a false prophet.

This could be said about any religion, you have no basis execept bias.

People often seem to forget that they attacked us first more than once before we did anything substantial back.
Wait, when did the people of Iraq attack us? I must have been asleep.

[Tsukiyomi]

Wow, that has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. In a war where we're already hated they go out of their way to destroy the natives holy book. Since I doubt any of these soldiers were muslim that means they would have had to go out of their way to get a Koran and shoot at it.

[Axl Low]

What do you mean disciplined? I don't see why. If he was shooting the bible, this wouldn't even make the news.

This strikes true and it also strikes me speechless.

[Amra]

Wait, when did the people of Iraq attack us? I must have been asleep.
No country attacked us... Muslim extremists attacked us. Afghanistan is 99% Muslim, Iraq is 97% Muslim, the Muslim community is not limited to a border

[beads]

No country attacked us... Muslim extremists attacked us. Afghanistan is 99% Muslim, Iraq is 97% Muslim, the Muslim community is not limited to a border

So if we got into a war with Russia, we would be at war against the Christians? You're lumping the people of a country into one category.

[Diceman]

No country attacked us... Muslim extremists attacked us. Afghanistan is 99% Muslim, Iraq is 97% Muslim, the Muslim community is not limited to a border

So,muslim community is your enemy?
What about your Muslim allies?

[Micah]

Personally I believe we should be fighting the Muslim extremists with bullets that are tipped in pig's blood. They take so much stock in their religion so let's use it against them.

[T4R0K]

So,muslim community is your enemy?
What about your Muslim allies?

Read again...

Muslim extremists attacked us

The sentence was miswritten (I hope)

we should be fighting the Muslim extremists with bullets that are tipped in pig's blood.

HOW VICIOUS !! That will make the extremists burn from the inside like holy water on vampires !!! (or silver bullets on werewolves...)

"I'M MELTING !! GYYYAAAAAAAAAAAhHHHHHH !!!"

[Xion]

a.) I thought the title said D.C. Sniper which struck me as weird considering he had a Muslim-sounding name and was supposedly a religious crazy.

b.) Some soldiers are so utterly ignorant that they associate Muslim with BAD and their own idiotic Christian beliefs with GOOD. It really is sickening when you see such retards in our armed forces.

[beads]

a.) I thought the title said D.C. Sniper which struck me as weird considering he had a Muslim-sounding name and was supposedly a religious crazy.

b.) Some soldiers are so utterly ignorant that they associate Muslim with BAD and their own idiotic Christian beliefs with GOOD. It really is sickening when you see such retards in our armed forces.

And on these forums. *points to post above yours*

[Trias]

lol is all I can say about the whole retardness at the thread.

It's so easy to justify retarded stuff like this, yeah guys? "If it was Bibble, it wouldn't even make news, SO LETS GO AND SHOOT KORAN HAHAHA!" or "We need to relax man... SO LETS GO AND SHOOT KORAN HAHAHA!" or "THEY ATTACKED US.... SO LETS GO AND SHOOT KORAN HAHAHA!"

Do you guys actually think hard to come up with this stuff?

When my heads feeling a bit devoid of alcohol, I'll probably debate a bit more normally, but you extremist fucks really do not deserve that, you guys are no different than those muslim extremists, really, they're just more of activists.

[Black Wraith]

Link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7407187.stm

Seriously, what a disgrace, he is fighting in the most hated war in the world aside from Vietnam, and he is in a place where everybody would kill him if they had the chance, and the people of Iraq and Muslims there, and then you make the US Military and the USA look bad by using the holiest book in Islam as target practice? I hope someone discharges this asshole and kick his ass for making the USA even more hated.

This guy is the epitome of idiocy, especially using something so sacred by millions as a mere target. And even start turning our Iraqi allies against us for deliberately defiling the holiest book to Muslims.


*Waits for Black Fenix to enter.............

And then people start talking about it's not a war on Islam........

[Black Wraith]

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs27/f/2008/075/0/b/Islamic_Resistance_in_Iraq_by_Latuff2.jpg

[maximilyan]

What do you mean disciplined? I don't see why. If he was shooting the bible, this wouldn't even make the news.

Exactly, i see nothing wrong with doing something that will obviously upset an entire nation.

[Aokiji]

What the hell are wrong with you people?

I still don't know what's the difference between flushing "Bambi" and "Koran" down the toilet.

They're basically fairy tales, right?

What's with the commotion?

Welcome to earth. Your belief (that god doesn't exist) isn't truer than what they preach in mosques. All beliefs are equal. The statement "God exists" is not a fact. The statement "God doesn't exist" is not a fact. That's the problem, right here: you fail to recognize that.

seriously, I hope you meet a real ass extremist in your life. :lmao

[Xion]

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs27/f/2008/075/0/b/Islamic_Resistance_in_Iraq_by_Latuff2.jpg

We get it already.

1.) Liberate Palestine!

2.) The West is bad!

3.) ALALALALALALALAL!

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Exactly, i see nothing wrong with doing something that will obviously upset an entire nation.

The problem is that people would only be upset because its the Koran. They put too much stock in these things and don't realize how small a deal this is. Soldiers are 17 and 18 year old kids. They barely learn to drive, some can't vote and drink...so why should we expect them to not do silly stuff especially when under stress some of the time.

[batanga]

Soldiers are 17 and 18 year old kids.
I'm almost 20 :zaru

[beads]

We get it already.

1.) Liberate Palestine!

2.) The West is bad!

3.) ALALALALALALALAL!

Wow, you are a great debator! Another great poster on NF.

[lucky]

hmmm. it's a quick painless method of getting sent home.

[Amra]

So if we got into a war with Russia, we would be at war against the Christians? You're lumping the people of a country into one category.
Actually, I was pointing out that the war is not against a country, it just happens to be in a country. The war is against Muslim Extremists, which hide amongst predominately Muslim societies such as Iraq, and Afghanistan; the Muslim community itself is vast. Just because we happen to be at war IN Iraq, doesn't mean we are at war AGAINST Iraq. We are still allegedly fighting the same people we have been fighting the whole time... the "terrorists".

The Muslim Extremists use the same book as all other Muslims, and yet you are telling me that we cant just lump everyone together... thats exactly what the people who are upset about this are doing. His "disrespect" for the Qu'ran was against the people whom we are at war with (ill give you a hint... thats specifically the extremists), yet everyone who has taken offense is trying to lump together all Muslims and consider it an attack on everyone when that simply is not the case.

The extremists destroyed the teachings of the Qu'ran long before this man destroyed the book itself. If we want to stop things like this from happening, then getting rid of the people who bastardize the Qu'ran to their own ends (hint: the extremists) would prevent events like this a lot more effectively.

[BrianTheGoldfish]

When my heads feeling a bit devoid of alcohol, I'll probably debate a bit more normally, but you extremist fucks really do not deserve that, you guys are no different than those muslim extremists, really, they're just more of activists.
Shooting a book =/= killing innocent people. For fuck's sake.

I'm not sure words have been created in any language to describe the resentment I feel towards anyone who would even come close to equating the two and the fact that some people do come close to equating the two is the reason why all these fucking stupid religious wars get started.

While I have a fairly low opinion of the Qur'an and it's no secret that I'm not a fan of religion in the first place, the guy who "used the Qur'an as target practice" displayed quite an alarming lack of tact here. He's a soldier fighting an immensely unpopular war in which huge amounts of care have to be taken to prevent its escalation into some sort of holy war, and he's provoking the kind of psychotic people who would kill over an ancient book by destroying a copy of that book? Bad move, I think. We don't need to provoke more idiots into killing themselves and others over this stuff.

[Vom Osten]

Shooting a book =/= killing innocent people. For fuck's sake.

I'm not sure words have been created in any language to describe the resentment I feel towards anyone who would even come close to equating the two and the fact that some people do come close to equating the two is the reason why all these fucking stupid religious wars get started.

While I have a fairly low opinion of the Qur'an and it's no secret that I'm not a fan of religion in the first place, the guy who "used the Qur'an as target practice" displayed quite an alarming lack of tact here. He's a soldier fighting an immensely unpopular war in which huge amounts of care have to be taken to prevent its escalation into some sort of holy war, and he's provoking the kind of psychotic people who would kill over an ancient book by destroying a copy of that book? Bad move, I think. We don't need to provoke more idiots into killing themselves and others over this stuff.

Like they need a reason to start shooting at American soldiers...

[Xion]

Wow, you are a great debator! Another great poster on NF.

And you are a great spellor. :thumbs

You should know better beady. :zaru

[Diceman]

And you are a great spellor. :thumbs

You should know better beady. :zaru

Spellor?
a new d&d monster?:zaru
must be the arch enemy of debator:zaru

[Aburame Kyo]

Yawn.


People have too much time on their hands resulting in stupid b1tching.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Like they need a reason to start shooting at American soldiers...

Your right, what's he doing shooting books when there's plenty of people targets parading around?

[mister_manji]

remind me again why this is wrong? These people burn American flags, a symbol that is far more sacred than any text.

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs27/f/2008/075/0/b/Islamic_Resistance_in_Iraq_by_Latuff2.jpg

don't worry, the next tank will break through.

[Ashiya]

This is most likely an act of displacement. Emotions displacing people who then do things to displace emotions. :zaru

[Aokiji]

remind me again why this is wrong? These people burn American flags, a symbol that is far more sacred than any text.

Are you retarded? A flag of some country more sacred that the word of God? :rofl Also, just because these dumbfucks do that, it doesn't mean you should shoot the holy book of more than a billion people. By all means, lynch the guy who burned your flag. I appreciate the fact that there are Americans, who give a shit about their national symbols.

And to all retarded atheists: I know you don't believe any of what stands in the Quran, still this doesn't mean you can shoot it. I don't believe in the Talmud, does that mean I can defecate on it? :notrust

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

remind me again why this is wrong? These people burn American flags, a symbol that is far more sacred than any text.



don't worry, the next tank will break through.

It looks more like the tank was destroyed and the book was propped up on it...

Not sure about you but I don't see how any group that hides itself among women and children and kills its own people to get you without a face to face confrontation can call us heathens, but that's just me.

[Xion]

I guess better a Quran than a little Palestinian boy. :zaru

But seriously, that was a foolish thing to do.

[Ennoea]

Why was this even news? This is just gonna fuel more hate, yay for the endless vicious cycle.

[GrimaH]

This isn't about being disrespectful. Fuck BAAAAWing about being disrespectful.

What's the issue here is the guy being fucking stupid and potentially turning the people they're fighting for turn against them.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

This isn't about being disrespectful. Fuck BAAAAWing about being disrespectful.

What's the issue here is the guy being fucking stupid and potentially turning the people they're fighting for turn against them.

If they're dumb enough to let this turn them against the whole army then it'll make the war a lot easier. Fighting a whole country is a Hell of a lot easier than fighting people hiding in the general population.

[GrimaH]

don't worry, the next tank will break through.

Putting aside the fact that Black Fenix was intending it to be humor...
let's not start turning it into "us vs Islam".

all retarded atheists: I know you don't believe any of what stands in the Quran, still this doesn't mean you can shoot it.

Yes, because you know, all atheists are retarded and think that it's A-OK to shoot the holy book of a billion people in their own fucking country.
Fuck you.

[GrimaH]

Fuck it, I'm too harried to bother editing.

If they're dumb enough to let this turn them against the whole army then it'll make the war a lot easier. Fighting a whole country is a Hell of a lot easier than fighting people hiding in the general population.

Thing is, USA is there to "liberate" Irag, not fight it.

[Aokiji]

Not sure about you but I don't see how any group that hides itself among women and children and kills its own people to get you without a face to face confrontation can call us heathens, but that's just me.

heathen=someone who doesn't believe in a certain religion. I'm a heathen for christians, too. It's not an insult.

EDIT: Yes, because you know, all atheists are retarded and think that it's A-OK to shoot the holy book of a billion people in their own fucking country.
Fuck you.

:rotfl

I intentionally talked to "retarded" atheists, so those that aren't, don't think I'm talking to them.

You have 2 options: 1. You read my post too hastily. 2. You really are retarded, but not for being scum, but for misinterpreting "all retarded atheists" as "all atheists are retarded".

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Yes, because you know, all atheists are retarded and think that it's A-OK to shoot the holy book of a billion people in their own fucking country.
Fuck you.

He said to retarded atheists, they're not all retards, just some of them. Calm down and read slower.

heathen=someone who doesn't believe in a certain religion. I'm a heathen for christians, too. It's not an insult.

Heathen means uncivilized dude...at least in the sense we use it now.

[Aokiji]

He said to retarded atheists, they're not all retards, just some of them. Calm down and read slower.



Heathen means uncivilized dude...at least in the sense we use it now.

I'm sure they use it in the old fashion. :amuse

[•Grimmjow•]

I hope that quran gets that sniper motherfucker snipered. How fucking rascist can it get.
And muslims arent terrorsits, Americans made them terrorists. For example 9/11 wasnt by osama, it was by george bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

I'm sure they use it in the old fashion. :amuse

Umm I used it to talk about how they say we're such a waste of a country, how they say that we're so immoral and improper...

[Aokiji]

Umm I used it to talk about how they say we're such a waste of a country, how they say that we're so immoral and improper...

Well, they don't invade other countries. :zaru You did that countless times.

For example, your agents tried to assasinate the chief of Iranian intelligence. For no apparent reason. (Yeah, I know Iran is evil)

If any other country did that, they'd see some serious diplomatic opposition, but with the US, noone gives a fuck, cuz they're used to it...

[Sarutobi sasuke]

I hope that quran gets that sniper motherfucker snipered. How fucking rascist can it get.

Islam is not a race.

And muslims arent terrorsits, Americans made them terrorists. For example 9/11 wasnt by osama, it was by george bush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

As much as i'd like to blame George Bush for everything it wasn't him. Militant Islamists Hijacked those planes and flew them into those buildings because they sincerely believed they were Allah's soldier's and it would get them into paradise.

[GrimaH]

I intentionally talked to "retarded" atheists, so those that aren't, don't think I'm talking to them.

You have 2 options: 1. You read my post too hastily. 2. You really are retarded, but not for being scum, but for misinterpreting "all retarded atheists" as "all atheists are retarded".

I admit, it was both 1 and 2. I was being harried by someone just now so I misinterpreted your post and sprinkled flames.
Though no I'm not a retard.

edit: Actually it was 1. Yes I was being hasty again.
Yay for nagging mums.

[Arishem]

Well, they don't invade other countries. :zaru You did that countless times.

For example, your agents tried to assasinate the chief of Iranian intelligence. For no apparent reason. (Yeah, I know Iran is evil)

If any other country did that, they'd see some serious diplomatic opposition, but with the US, noone gives a fuck, cuz they're used to it...

I think that is because no one wants to get in the way of an 800lb gorilla, even when it's being belligerent and breaking shit for no good reason. Such is the leniency afforded to a counry who holds the majority of the world's military power. It's not right, but nobody has enough balls to take direct action against the US. That's just the way the world works...unfortunately.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Well, they don't invade other countries. :zaru You did that countless times.

For example, your agents tried to assasinate the chief of Iranian intelligence. For no apparent reason. (Yeah, I know Iran is evil)

If any other country did that, they'd see some serious diplomatic opposition, but with the US, noone gives a fuck, cuz they're used to it...

I seem to remember Istanbul being another city at one time...maybe that's just me.

[Byakkö]

Fucking wrong. I'm all for freedom of expression but that's just retarded and disrespectful.


But then again, hardly anyone would notice if we shot Bibles. Double standard.

[•Grimmjow•]

Islam is not a race.



As much as i'd like to blame George Bush for everything it wasn't him. Militant Islamists Hijacked those planes and flew them into those buildings because they sincerely believed they Allah's soldier's and it would get them into paradise.

Thats fucking crazy, btw they cant be muslims because it is TOTALLY FORBIDDEN to commit suicide and kill innocent people in Islam. sooo......

1. Not all muslims are terrorsist
2. terrorists are not muslims.

There are so many proofs that 9/11 was planned by the US.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Jesus :facepalm

Has this kid been taking his meds?

Edit: You're right, it was the Illuminati.

[Aokiji]

I seem to remember Istanbul being another city at one time...maybe that's just me.

I know. I just wanted to explain why some people might consider USA a little bit of an asshole country.

Fucking wrong. I'm all for freedom of expression but that's just retarded and disrespectful.


But then again, hardly anyone would notice if we shot Bibles. Double standard.

Maybe christians should protect their religion more.

[BrianTheGoldfish]

I don't believe in the Talmud, does that mean I can defecate on it? :notrust
Yes.

Not that I'd destroy something just because I didn't believe in it (I wouldn't tear up a copy of Harry Potter just because I don't believe in magic), but if you object to a book's content and are in the mood to make a profound moral and/or political statement, then I wouldn't object for a second to you defecating on a copy of the Talmud. Or the Bible, the Qur'an, The God Delusion, an E-meter (or equivalent Scientology thing), an American flag, a UK flag, and so on. Hell, if you found anything demonstrably offensive towards whole groups of people (e.g. gays) in my collection of family photos, you'd be within your rights to burn copies of those and I wouldn't particularly flinch at your doing so.

The problem in this situation lies in the fact that shooting a copy of the Qur'an in a country where the vast majority of the people idolise it, all while the occupying force as a whole is trying not to provoke more people who are already on the edge of this thing into religious outrage and subsequent terrorism, is quite remarkably tactless and - even given the fact that the soldier was well within his rights to make the statement he did - fundamentally not a good idea.

But if he'd done it at home I wouldn't care, and nobody should.

Incidentally, if you make a video or something in which you defecate on a copy of the Talmud, I don't really want to see it. I'll just take your word for it.

[Sarutobi sasuke]

Thats fucking crazy, btw they cant be muslims because it is TOTALLY FORBIDDEN to commit suicide and kill innocent people in Islam. sooo......

1. Not all muslims are terrorsist
2. terrorists are not muslims.


The Quran is ambiguous text, yes there are verses condemning killing and suicide but there are also verses doing the exact opposite it's much like the Bible you can use it to justify whatever you want.


There are so many proofs that 9/11 was planned by the US.

Really, I'd like to see these proofs.
The worst you could reasonably accuse the US government of is complacency

[Aokiji]

Yes.

Not that I'd destroy something just because I didn't believe in it (I wouldn't tear up a copy of Harry Potter just because I don't believe in magic), but if you object to a book's content and are in the mood to make a profound moral and/or political statement, then I wouldn't object for a second to you defecating on a copy of the Talmud. Or the Bible, the Qur'an, The God Delusion, an E-meter (or equivalent Scientology thing), an American flag, a UK flag, and so on. Hell, if you found anything demonstrably offensive towards whole groups of people (e.g. gays) in my collection of family photos, you'd be within your rights to burn copies of those and I wouldn't particularly flinch at your doing so.

The problem in this situation lies in the fact that shooting a copy of the Qur'an in a country where the vast majority of the people idolise it, all while the occupying force as a whole is trying not to provoke more people who are already on the edge of this thing into religious outrage and subsequent terrorism, is quite remarkably tactless and - even given the fact that the soldier was well within his rights to make the statement he did - fundamentally not a good idea.

But if he'd done it at home I wouldn't care, and nobody should.

Incidentally, if you make a video or something in which you defecate on a copy of the Talmud, I don't really want to see it. I'll just take your word for it.

:lmao

I don't think I should have that right, tbh.

[GrimaH]

Yes.

Not that I'd destroy something just because I didn't believe in it (I wouldn't tear up a copy of Harry Potter just because I don't believe in magic), but if you object to a book's content and are in the mood to make a profound moral and/or political statement, then I wouldn't object for a second to you defecating on a copy of the Talmud. Or the Bible, the Qur'an, The God Delusion, an E-meter (or equivalent Scientology thing), an American flag, a UK flag, and so on. Hell, if you found anything demonstrably offensive towards whole groups of people (e.g. gays) in my collection of family photos, you'd be within your rights to burn copies of those and I wouldn't particularly flinch at your doing so.

The problem in this situation lies in the fact that shooting a copy of the Qur'an in a country where the vast majority of the people idolise it, all while the occupying force as a whole is trying not to provoke more people who are already on the edge of this thing into religious outrage and subsequent terrorism, is quite remarkably tactless and - even given the fact that the soldier was well within his rights to make the statement he did - fundamentally not a good idea.

But if he'd done it at home I wouldn't care, and nobody should.

Incidentally, if you make a video or something in which you defecate on a copy of the Talmud, I don't really want to see it. I'll just take your word for it.

End thread please.

[Konoha.Green.Beast.]

That is what makes people hate.

That motherfucking ego to belive anything you don't find important isn't important to others.

Let the hate flow.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

That is what makes people hate.

That motherfucking ego to belive anything you don't find important isn't important to others.

Let the hate flow.

No hate comes from ignorance, and anyone who thinks that one person shooting a book is some horrible atrocity is ignorant.

[Konoha.Green.Beast.]

No hate comes from ignorance, and anyone who thinks that one person shooting a book is some horrible atrocity is ignorant.

I would like to disagree.

Hate can only come from ignorance.

[Nodonn]

So... did he steal the book or what?
if so, DAMN THE THIEF!

[Aokiji]

No hate comes from ignorance, and anyone who thinks that one person shooting a book is some horrible atrocity is ignorant.

It's not a book, it's the Quran. :facepalm

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

The Bible and the Koran are books, binding, glue, pages and words...these are what books are made of.

[Aokiji]

The Bible and the Koran are books, binding, glue, pages and words...these are what books are made of.

Written by God. :zaru

[Konoha.Green.Beast.]

The Bible and the Koran are books, binding, glue, pages and words...these are what books are made of.


:facepalm

I understand your point of view, but you are overdoing it.

The symbolism of this books is enormous.


It is like shooting everything its belivers fight for (for good or for bad), and we know Mahoma fanboys take this shit seriously.

[Tokoyami]

There still nothing more than paper, bindings, and ink.

[Nodonn]

If he owned the book he had the right to do whatever he wants with it. Normally people read the books they buy but this guy apperantly likes shooting them.

[Sexta Espada]

At least he's a good shot.


But he shouldn't have shot the holy book and then just left it there. Atleast pick it up and throw it away or something so nobody who'd really care would find out. Although he really shouldn't have shot it anyway, the military is never short on targets (no less in a war zone) and there's no international bans on targets that would prevent his family from sending him some.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Written by God. :zaru

Written by man, inspired by God at best.

:facepalm

I understand your point of view, but you are overdoing it.

The symbolism of this books is enormous.

There's a lot of symbolism in Dickens, does that mean I can't shoot at it.

[beads]

And you are a great spellor. :thumbs

You should know better beady. :zaru

I knew it looked wrong when I posted it. Oh well. :cry

[beads]

The Bible and the Koran are books, binding, glue, pages and words...these are what books are made of.

Are you a Christian?

[Deputy Myself]

it's just a book.

[Sky is Over]

I'm wondering if the topic OP stated that the general and shooter of the Koran apologized for his action, and that he declared he didn't realize what he was shooting at the time.

[beads]

It looks more like the tank was destroyed and the book was propped up on it...

Not sure about you but I don't see how any group that hides itself among women and children and kills its own people to get you without a face to face confrontation can call us heathens, but that's just me.

So you expect them to waltz right out to meet us? It's called smart warfare.

[GrimaH]

Are you a Christian?

Yes, CTK is a Christian.
Just look through his posts.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

So you expect them to waltz right out to meet us? It's called smart warfare.

Hiding behind innocence? Its called cowardice.

[beads]

Hiding behind innocence? Its called cowardice.

When you are outnumbered, it is generally not advised to meet the enemy head on. It's common sense.

Yes, CTK is a Christian.
Just look through his posts.

Well, then Jesus=man. He has limbs, a heart, all the same parts of a man.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

When you are outnumbered, it is generally not advised to meet the enemy head on. It's common sense.

They're not outnumbered. They're out gunned, but thats all you can claim.

[beads]

They're not outnumbered. They're out gunned, but thats all you can claim.

Still, the same logic applies.

[Sky is Over]

When you are outnumbered, it is generally not advised to meet the enemy head on. It's common sense.

Still doesn't change the fact that they're cowards.

[64palms]

That's just giving the muslim community even more reason to hate us.
Yes, lets appease religious fundamentalism. That's real smart.

[beads]

Still doesn't change the fact that they're cowards.

How are they cowards?

[64palms]

Fuck the Bible, fuck the Torah and fuck the Quran.
God damn bullshit overrated religious texts.

I'll piss on them, burn them, and shoot them all I want.
Fuck anyone who want to get in my way.

[Deputy Myself]

how'd this thread turn from a marine doing something that could be seen as stupid, to another generic and boring "omg war against terrorism" thread?

[Sky is Over]

How are they cowards?

Hiding among the civilian populace is a big one.

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

How are they cowards?

Did you not just read what we said? Someone who hides in the general population and kills their own people to get what they want while hiding in the general population is a coward. Would they be willing to give their own lives if they weren't promised eternal life and virgins and the like?

It seems pretty selfish to kill your own other people just to get to heaven faster. And to take the logic that since you can't win the war we're going to just cause general mayhem.

[beads]

Hiding among the civilian populace is a big one.

Where do you suggest they hide?

[Cardboard Tube Knight]

Where do you suggest they hide?

Anywhere that won't get civilians hurt. Hell if they can hide it shouldn't matter to us if we shoot them all, I mean they attack our civilians and non-military targets, right?

[Sky is Over]

Where do you suggest they hide?

The desert. :zaru

And add border-hopping to the list.

[GrimaH]

The act of hiding in itself is cowardice, though understandable.
What pisses me off is that they basically let their people be killed so they can get away/have a smaller chance of being killed.

[Last of the Ushihas]

That book's only like a few square inches, that's a gud sniper.

[batanga]

The act of hiding in itself is cowardice, though understandable.
More than understandable, necessary for survival in an active battlefield.

[Sky is Over]

More than understandable, necessary for survival in an active battlefield.

Then that makes them nothing more than animals that have no morals/values, making their eradication/extermination justifiable.

[Sexta Espada]

Technically, every time you take cover you're hiding from the enemy. It's a tactic called concealment. Also, giving troops camouflage to wear is also attempting to make them self sufficient in hiding themselves.

[beads]

Then that makes them nothing more than animals that have no morals/values, making their eradication/extermination justifiable.

Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out... and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel.... And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man" - with his mouth. ~Mark Twain

Do you suggest that they don't try to hide? In war, you do what you must to survive.

[Sky is Over]

~Mark Twain

Do you suggest that they don't try to hide? In war, you do what you must to survive.

I'm going to cut the chase of trying to reason with you and ask if you believe that war truly has no rules? And that you shou;ld complete your mission by any means necessary?

[beads]

I'm going to cut the chase of trying to reason with you and ask if you believe that war truly has no rules? And that you shou;ld complete your mission by any means necessary?

Of course there are rules. But when you are being shot at, these rules take a backseat to animal instinct.

Also, I don't believe that there should be a rule that you are a coward if you attempt to hide. Calling them a "coward" just seems out of desperation to me.

[Sky is Over]

Of course there are rules. But when you are being shot at, these rules take a backseat to animal instinct.

Also, I don't believe that there should be a rule that you are a coward if you attempt to hide. Calling them a "coward" just seems out of desperation to me.

Which proves my point, that their are truly no rules of war, and by that any tactic applied in combat, whether it be using the mentally handicaped as suicide bombers or using water-boarding as a method to gain information, is justifiable as long as the mission is completed.

[Amra]

I'm going to cut the chase of trying to reason with you and ask if you believe that war truly has no rules?

You obviously have never seen actual combat. War only has rules on paper, on the battlefield its pretty much chaos, not even organized chaos. If you have family (perhaps granparents) who were infantry or at least saw actual combat, you should talk to them about it (if they are willing), they should easily confirm what I am telling you.

So your question is deceptive, absolutely we have rules of war, but they are not always enforced or even followed, esspecially in a life and death situation of actual combat.

[beads]

Which proves my point, that their are truly no rules of war, and by that any tactic applied in combat, whether it be using the mentally handicaped as suicide bombers or using water-boarding as a method to gain information, is justifiable as long as the mission is completed.

Weren't you just saying how they shouldn't hide among civilians?

[Sky is Over]

Weren't you just saying how they shouldn't hide among civilians?

But aren't you the one that agrees with this opinion of mine that I laid out?

[beads]

But aren't you the one that agrees with this opinion of mine that I laid out?

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Sky is Over]

Hypocrisy at its finest.

People who call out hypocrites are usually ones themselves. Food for thought.

[beads]

Hiding among the civilian populace is a big one.

The desert. :zaru

And add border-hopping to the list.

Then that makes them nothing more than animals that have no morals/values, making their eradication/extermination justifiable.

And then this:

Which proves my point, that their are truly no rules of war, and by that any tactic applied in combat, whether it be using the mentally handicaped as suicide bombers or using water-boarding as a method to gain information, is justifiable as long as the mission is completed.

You took a complete 180 degree turn.

[Sky is Over]

And then this:



You took a complete 180 degree turn.

Actually, I'm just trying to figure out where you stand by laying out multiple opinions and seeing which one you latch unto, and now you're trying to avoid anwsering them by labeling me a hypocrite for doing that. Just cut through the bullshit and anwser my question, do you agree with opinion A.) In war, you should fight in a noble manner or B.) you should do anything to win.

[beads]

Actually, I'm just trying to figure out where you stand by laying out multiple opinions and seeing which one you latch unto, and now you're trying to avoid anwsering them by labeling me a hypocrite for doing that. Just cut through the bullshit and anwser my question, do you agree with opinion A.) In war, you should fight in a noble manner or B.) you should do anything to win.

Hypocrisy: insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have.

But to answer your question, it is poorly worded.
There are certain ground rules that are shared by everyone, but these rules are not always followed in real war.

[Sky is Over]

Hypocrisy: insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have.

But to answer your question, it is poorly worded.
There are certain ground rules that are shared by everyone, but these rules are not always followed in real war.

Actually, my second opinion is more of mocking your views on war should be carried out, making your accusation of hypocriscy a red herring.

And actually, my question is staright-foward to the point, your either one or the other really when it comes down to it, their is no gray. I don't see why it's hard to choose between the two, despite the way you sound you lean much more towards option .B)

[beads]

You know nothing of beliefs, and I haven't given you any true confirmation of what I do believe when it comes to war in general, so please hold your tongue.

And actually, my question is staright-foward to the point, your either one or the other really, their is no gray. I don't see why it's hard to choose between the two, despite the way you sound you lean much more towards option .B)

I'd rather not get into a flame war. I already told you my answer, and now you are trying to pressure me into one of your predetermined answers, when my views reflect a mix of both options.

[Sky is Over]

I'd rather not get into a flame war. I already told you my answer, and now you are trying to pressure me into one of your predetermined answers, when my views reflect a mix of both options.

Then which option do you lean more towards? :zaru

[beads]

Then which option do you lean more towards? :zaru

The other one.:wink

[Sky is Over]

The other one.:wink

Look in your PM box.

[Sean Connery]

Fuck the Bible, fuck the Torah and fuck the Quran.
God damn bullshit overrated religious texts.

I'll piss on them, burn them, and shoot them all I want.
Fuck anyone who want to get in my way.

I know, I am so sick of this religous bullshit

[Wesley]

He should have used actual Muslims. There would have been less outrage.

[Sean Connery]

he could of thrown pork chops at them

[beads]

He should have used actual Muslims. There would have been less outrage.

Actual Muslim combatants. You can't describe someone by their religion.

[Aokiji]

He should have used actual Muslims. There would have been less outrage.

Because actual muslims attack US soldiers. There would've been a reason. But I understand what you say.











































































http://youtube.com/watch?v=tBa0Fqlzn0k

[Sean Connery]

torboto the robot that tortures people

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33908967

[Aokiji]

torboto the robot that tortures people

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33908967

I can't view it. :gar (it's banned in my country)

[Wesley]

Actual Muslim combatants. You can't describe someone by their religion.

No, no, I meant just any ole Muslim. Someone taken off the street, doesn't matter. Would have been less outrageous to people than shooting a Koran.

[GrimaH]

gb2channel12 Wesley, this is my trolling spot :pek

[amazingfunksta]

torboto the robot that tortures people

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=33908967

LAWLS! That was hilarious actually...

Bush: "Ummm... I noticed how he hasn't asked anyone for information yet."
Cheney: "I know, we're still working out the kinks"

Cheney: "As you can see, he is equipped with a toilet and religious texts"
Bush: "Those are religious texts, you can't do that!"
Cheney: "No, a human can't... but a robot CAN!"

Heh, pretty funny stuff :-P.