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Blaze of Glory
05-18-2008, 04:21 AM
PORTLAND, Ore. - Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign is increasingly aiming its punches not at her front-running opponent Barack Obama, but at the media.
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On the campaign trail, in a new ad and in her meetings with donors and superdelegates, she blasts the D.C. punditocracy for counting her out and urges anyone who'll listen to ignore the hardening storyline that places Obama as the Democratic presidential nominee.
The goal is twofold. Clinton, a New York senator, wants to stanch the flow of uncommitted superdelegates to Obama, an Illinois senator, by convincing them she can still win the nomination. She also wants to generate a protest vote in the four states that have yet to hold primaries, as well as in Puerto Rico.
The Clinton camp believes a media backlash drove up turnout among her supporters in West Virginia, which last week delivered a landslide 67 percent to 26 percent victory for her.
"Because I believe that I am better prepared to be president and I am more likely to be able to win, I don't care what the pundits say. I'm going to leave it up to the voters," Clinton said Friday night at a televised town hall meeting at Portland's NBC affiliate. She said pundits have been counting her out "since Iowa and the voters always prove them wrong. I mean, I've been declared dead so many times and luckily it's been premature and I'm hoping it stays premature."
Also on Friday, Clinton's campaign began airing an ad in Oregon, which holds its primary Tuesday, that pits her against the Beltway media elites.
The ad, titled "What's Right," shows video snippets of a cadre of television show hosts who have dismissed or downplayed Clinton's chances - NBC's Tim Russert, ABC's George Stephanopoulos and MSNBC anchors Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews.
Their voices are muted, and a narrator intones over their images: "In Washington, they talk about who's up and who's down. In Oregon, we care about what's right and what's wrong."
The spot goes on to tout Clinton's support for universal health care and her opposition to "No Child Left Behind" and the Bush administration energy plan.
The late placement of the ad in Oregon is somewhat curious, since Obama is favored to win the state handily and since the state administers its elections by mail. By some estimates, as much as 60 percent of Democratic primary ballots have already been cast.
But the Clinton campaign believes the message will resonate broadly.
"People in the upcoming states don't want to be told that their voices don't count and essentially that's what they're being told," said Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee. "Well, the people of West Virginia didn't believe that and they sent a very strong message."
He added: "Every time in this campaign that people have tried to call this race prematurely, the voters have rallied and sent a different message. We saw it after Iowa. We saw it after South Carolina."
Clinton has long complained that the media have treated her more roughly than Obama. But the campaign began courting a media backlash as a central strategy after her surprisingly narrow win in Indiana and crushing loss in North Carolina, which together were characterized by the press as sealing the Democratic presidential nomination for Obama.
Campaign aides were particularly livid at Russert's election night declaration on MSNBC that, "We now know who the Democratic nominee is going to be, and no one is going to dispute it" - even before the network called Indiana for Clinton.
Clinton's anti-media ad may tap a vein of distrust of the D.C. establishment that runs deep in the Pacific Northwest, thanks to its geographic and cultural distance from the East Coast, said Tim Hibbitts, a Portland-based pollster.
But he sees another strategic motivation behind the ad.
"This may be as much about men as it is about D.C." or the media, he said, pointing out that all the pundits featured in the ad are men. Polls in Oregon, including one last week by Hibbitt's firm, have shown Obama leading Clinton among female voters, an important part of her base.
The ad - and the anti-media message - may be an effort to shore up female support, asserted Hibbitts.
"It's a resentment ploy, basically," he said. "That all the big boys are trying to push Hillary out of the race, that she's been treated unfairly by the Russerts and the Stephanopouloses."
That message, he said, unquestionably "appeals to a certain slice of the electorate out here - particularly among older women."
The campaign also on Friday began airing two ads in Kentucky, which also votes Tuesday and which she is expected to win, designed to reach another key part of Clinton's base: blue-collar voters.
The ads present Clinton as a crusading populist who will put the needs of struggling working people over those of "the wealthy and the well connected" and who will end special interest loopholes and cut working families' taxes.
"It is wrong that a Wall Street money manager making $50 million dollars a year pays a lower percentage of his income in taxes than a nurse or a teacher or a truck driver or an auto worker making $50,000," she says in one Kentucky ad.
Taken together, the three ads illustrate the nearly 180-degree pivot Clinton's campaign has made since she entered the race early last year as the overwhelming favorite to secure the Democratic nomination.
Back then, she criticized the anti-corporate, anti-special interest rhetoric of her chief rivals Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards as overly simplistic. She pledged to work with all sides to forge compromises. And her campaign encouraged media characterizations of her as the inevitable nominee.
LOL @ Clinton
Hypocrisy much? :huh
A while ago you were saying you got treated fairly in that "fair" debate in which say Obama complained that he wasn't get treated fairly either. Bitch you need to stop complaining.
dreams lie
05-18-2008, 04:28 AM
Where is that jpg that goes: cry me a river, build a bridge, and jump over it?
you fucking love this don't you ?
narutosimpson
05-18-2008, 05:10 AM
She's been out of the picture for the last week. Bush attacking him and his powerful counterattack were the best things that could have happened, cause this is the first i've heard of hillary in a long ass time :P
Amaretti
05-18-2008, 07:17 AM
She's right though...
The bias against her in the media has been bloody obvious. Had I been American, I wouldn't have voted for her anyway, but even I feel her treatment has been a bit hamfisted.
wolfman_120
05-18-2008, 07:28 AM
She's right though...
The bias against her in the media has been bloody obvious. Had I been American, I wouldn't have voted for her anyway, but even I feel her treatment has been a bit hamfisted.
Agreed, although unlike you, I would vote for Hillary if I was American. Still though, she is being pounded from all sides as being unworthy of presidency, to drop out of the race, and as already being out of the race, where in actuality she is one of the strongest candidates still. I don't see why so many people are hating on Clinton. Maybe America just doesn't want to see a Woman President?
Tyrael
05-18-2008, 10:04 AM
The media bias for Obama has been blatant but I think it's more to do with her hardman image than being a woman.
She wasn't exactly always fighting fair either, lol. Karma bites you back.
Yes, it was unfair. Do you know what else is unfair? To be selected with another chap as the media's favourites, and then for the media to give a big fucking shit about the rest of the candidates' representation in the media thereafter.
Cheers, Hillary. You are barely different from Obama on policy, but you are miles apart in campaigning. Better luck next time.
hyakku
05-18-2008, 10:39 AM
She has LOST. Period.
Not only did she have to play dirty, but she still got crushed. NOTHING is going to stop obama unless something absurd comes out about him. His "racist" pastor, "anti american" wife, and Islamic lineage hasn't stopped him, Hilary telling everyone he used to smoke damn sure won't help her now.
I will never vote for Hillary even if she wins this nomination I would sooner vote for McCain. The fact that she can truly sit on her soapbox and preach how its not fair how a 50 mil banker has to pay less on his taxes while she rakes in 100+ mil over 5 years is laughable. This is the one time we have to put a president who's not so far apart from American society that he KNOWS whats actually going on with the people in our country. I mean, he just finished paying off student loans. We need a president who can relate to us, not a president who could give out a dollar to every fucking citizen and still be ok.
Simulacrum
05-18-2008, 11:47 AM
Uh, she's scheduled to win pretty big here in the next few key states. In the end, she's likely going to own the majority of pledged delegates. The Obama camp would love this to be over now because they know what's coming.
But hey, Obama is going to be anointed because he's the messiah. Why should he bother to prove himself by finishing the race and actually win when the media is so willing to push him down everyone's throat? I mean, it'll really piss off a lot of Hillary's supporters, but again he's going to be anointed so he doesn't really need votes :gar
Also, McCain has been taking it easy. He's known for his temper, he rarely stutters during speeches, is a quick thinker, he's actually running with a real platform of unity without divisive political rhetoric - everything Obama claims to be, McCain is. The only Dem who could take him on is Hillary, but if the Democrat sheep-voters want to throw Obama out there then that's fine with me.
Dionysus
05-18-2008, 12:35 PM
Haha. Blaze is like a forum version of the American media.
Jin-E
05-18-2008, 01:02 PM
The only way Hillarry can turn this around is to stop and reverse the Superdelegates flowing to Obama's camp or really crush him in the remaining elections.
None of these alternatives is very realistic.
dreams lie
05-18-2008, 01:19 PM
The only way Hillarry can turn this around is to stop and reverse the Superdelegates flowing to Obama's camp or really crush him in the remaining elections.
None of these alternatives is very realistic.
Perhaps if Michigan and Florida goes as she plans, and Obama proceeds to go and start using racial slurs on TV.
Kunoichi no Kiri
05-18-2008, 01:20 PM
Get off Hillary's balls dude, she's done.
narutosimpson
05-18-2008, 01:25 PM
Uh, she's scheduled to win pretty big here in the next few key states. In the end, she's likely going to own the majority of pledged delegates. The Obama camp would love this to be over now because they know what's coming.
But hey, Obama is going to be anointed because he's the messiah. Why should he bother to prove himself by finishing the race and actually win when the media is so willing to push him down everyone's throat? I mean, it'll really piss off a lot of Hillary's supporters, but again he's going to be anointed so he doesn't really need votes :gar
Also, McCain has been taking it easy. He's known for his temper, he rarely stutters during speeches, is a quick thinker, he's actually running with a real platform of unity without divisive political rhetoric - everything Obama claims to be, McCain is. The only Dem who could take him on is Hillary, but if the Democrat sheep-voters want to throw Obama out there then that's fine with me.
Get off Hillary's balls dude, she's done.
with operation chaos still in effect, it's not "done". Obama has the lead and will hold the lead of pledged/super delegates and popular vote. The remaining arguments for her victory are just a reach.
Blaze of Glory
05-18-2008, 02:43 PM
She's right though...
The bias against her in the media has been bloody obvious. Had I been American, I wouldn't have voted for her anyway, but even I feel her treatment has been a bit hamfisted.
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DUDE
She's had thousands of chances to finish off Obama and weeks of encouragement. At this point in the game she has become plain tiring and it something only a child would do when he's losing a game. Instead, of playing soldier you should just admit you're being stubborn. The media has been on her side like forever but she isn't able to use it to her advantage. Shit, Obama has managed to do without them but it's because of his charisma that they,ve come along to his side.
Yes, it was unfair. Do you know what else is unfair? To be selected with another chap as the media's favourites, and then for the media to give a big fucking shit about the rest of the candidates' representation in the media thereafter.
Another victim of Hillary Clinton I see. Looking at you is like looking at the victims of Lola in the video game Bully. Her whole soldier act pretty much rubbed on you too I see. She's tried playing dirty and turn this whole shit into race thing. Naw, she's failed. It's not the media's fault it's your own. Stop feeling sympathy for her because she's getting her ass kicked.
Uh, she's scheduled to win pretty big here in the next few key states. In the end, she's likely going to own the majority of pledged delegates. The Obama camp would love this to be over now because they know what's coming.
It's so cute when people are in denial :awesome
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Another victim of Hillary Clinton I see. Looking at you is like looking at the victims of Lola in the video game Bully. Her whole soldier act pretty much rubbed on you too I see. She's tried playing dirty and turn this whole shit into race thing. Naw, she's failed. It's not the media's fault it's your own. Stop feeling sympathy for her because she's getting her ass kicked.
Wow, Blaze, you did not get a word of what I wrote. I am not sympathising with her. I agreed that the media has it in for her in the latest period against Obama, but my point was first and foremost that what is truly unfair is of the media to pick only two of the Democratic candidates and raise them onto a false pedestal of American favourites based on what the media thinks will give good ratings and serve their media-conglomeracy more funk.
If you had read my previous posts on the presidential race, you would notice that I side with Obama for the Democratic ticket out of necessity because Hillary's health-care program is so full-blown unrealistic. I do not like any of their policies in particular, and they are awfully similar on too many topics.
Look at the spreadsheet. (http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=252618) Does the Democratic candidacy depend on their stance on the death penalty? Pft.
Blaze of Glory
05-18-2008, 03:20 PM
Wow, Blaze, you did not get a word of what I wrote. I am not sympathising with her.
My bad..
Shoot, too tired I did not read the whole thing :(
I got clinton follower paranoia syndrome :sweatdrop
Razgriez
05-18-2008, 03:21 PM
She's right though...
The bias against her in the media has been bloody obvious. Had I been American, I wouldn't have voted for her anyway, but even I feel her treatment has been a bit hamfisted.
I agree with Amaretti as well. However shes still a bitch who doesnt deserve to be president but media did side with Obama pretty early which wasnt necessarily a bad thing since it really resulted in her showing her true ruthless colors. Id really like to see how the other candidates would handle such situations so we can see how much of an dirt bag they really are.
hyakku
05-18-2008, 03:37 PM
Uh, she's scheduled to win pretty big here in the next few key states. In the end, she's likely going to own the majority of pledged delegates. The Obama camp would love this to be over now because they know what's coming.
...what? Oregon Obama's expected to win in, then there's Kentucky and Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico can go either way, might go to Obama after seeing guam, and Kentucky will probably go to Clinton. Unless Clinton somehow gets 100+ delegates from winning kentucky and obama gets zero delegates from winning oregon mathematically she can't catch up, and now that superdelegates are defecting to obama's camp, she has no grounds there either.
But hey, Obama is going to be anointed because he's the messiah. Why should he bother to prove himself by finishing the race and actually win when the media is so willing to push him down everyone's throat? I mean, it'll really piss off a lot of Hillary's supporters, but again he's going to be anointed so he doesn't really need votes :gar
Because there's no point in drawing this out when the winner is obvious, it's almost as if she's waiting for something big to come out on Obama to capitalize on.
Also, McCain has been taking it easy. He's known for his temper, he rarely stutters during speeches, is a quick thinker, he's actually running with a real platform of unity without divisive political rhetoric - everything Obama claims to be, McCain is. The only Dem who could take him on is Hillary, but if the Democrat sheep-voters want to throw Obama out there then that's fine with me.
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First off, why would we want a president known for his temper?
Secondly, he often forgets what the fuck he's saying during his speech, this has happened on more than one occasion. Regardless, I chalk this up to human error just like people who stutter during some speeches, shit happens. I can't really tell if he's a quick thinker, I'm not inside his mind, and I'm not sure how you quantify that anyway.
In addition, until recently Obama was beating McCain in polls by more than Hilary, and while I agree that McCain does seem to want to try to come to some type of unity within the parties, not only do we know this is not going to happen, but his stance on the war will make it further difficult for him to get support.
finally, I've never heard Obama claim to be an amazing speaker, an angry guy, or being a genius, so I don't see why you seem to feel he claims this.
Dark Aether
05-18-2008, 04:32 PM
I'm curious as to how the future primaries will turn out and how the media will handle it. It's like an exciting dramatic soap opera.
I'd say she is being treated unfairly, along with Obama. Stop being so sexist.
Blaze of Glory
05-18-2008, 05:15 PM
I'd say she is being treated unfairly, along with Obama. Stop being so sexist.
LOL
Who's being sexist?
Tell her to stop turning this thing into about race
She was given the victory on a silver platter over a hundred times and yet she still couldn't end it. She's getting treated just as equal as Obama.
dreams lie
05-18-2008, 05:18 PM
I agree with Amaretti as well. However shes still a bitch who doesnt deserve to be president but media did side with Obama pretty early which wasnt necessarily a bad thing since it really resulted in her showing her true ruthless colors. Id really like to see how the other candidates would handle such situations so we can see how much of an dirt bag they really are.
I think McCain would be able to stand the heat, although Obama is questionable.
narutosimpson
05-18-2008, 05:28 PM
Mccain stand the heat? Bush and the 527 "swift boats" and the limbaughs will do all the dirty work for him :laugh
For a long time the media made an issue about "black women" voting obama , then it was wright, they wouldn't take him off the screen! then it was hill's pennsylvania win, then that horrible charles gibson debate, ea time i thought the media was doing obama in, and each time it didn't happen, obama shook it off, so i can't complain, either they weren't really doing it or they were and he managed.
Simulacrum
05-18-2008, 06:16 PM
...what? Oregon Obama's expected to win in, then there's Kentucky and Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico can go either way, might go to Obama after seeing guam, and Kentucky will probably go to Clinton. Unless Clinton somehow gets 100+ delegates from winning kentucky and obama gets zero delegates from winning oregon mathematically she can't catch up, and now that superdelegates are defecting to obama's camp, she has no grounds there either. Clinton is so favored in Kentucky that the margin between them alone could win her the state. You're also leaving out Montana, which has a primary and not a caucus which has proven to be Clinton's boon, Native Americans who favor Clinton's husband (a terrible reason to vote for anybody, but this is your party not mine), and no party registration leaving the gate open for OPERATION: CHAOS :edu which itself has proved pivotal in previous states. Your view of Puerto Rico exemplifies your bias here, since despite the obnoxious media bias towards Obama it's still heavily favoring Clinton.
If everything goes Obama's way, then he'll win the nomination but Clinton is playing for keeps. She's not going to play second fiddle to Mr. Empty Rhetoric, because if she wanted to then she would have dropped out long ago, so if anything she'll destroy him so that he loses in the general election and she'll make another attempt in 2012.
Because there's no point in drawing this out when the winner is obvious, it's almost as if she's waiting for something big to come out on Obama to capitalize on. It's highly unusual for the second most popular Democrat candidate to drop out of the race when things are so close. If Obama doesn't win the nomination, she's not going to stop. There's a reason Bill Clinton got the nickname The Comeback Kid. It's not that I like her, and there's not a dime's difference between them, but these are the facts. You're suffering from a near-lethal infection of Obamania, and it's so bad that I can smell it through my cable modem.
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First off, why would we want a president known for his temper?
Secondly, he often forgets what the fuck he's saying during his speech, this has happened on more than one occasion. Regardless, I chalk this up to human error just like people who stutter during some speeches, shit happens. I can't really tell if he's a quick thinker, I'm not inside his mind, and I'm not sure how you quantify that anyway.
In addition, until recently Obama was beating McCain in polls by more than Hilary, and while I agree that McCain does seem to want to try to come to some type of unity within the parties, not only do we know this is not going to happen, but his stance on the war will make it further difficult for him to get support.
finally, I've never heard Obama claim to be an amazing speaker, an angry guy, or being a genius, so I don't see why you seem to feel he claims this. Obama stutters more than I do, despite that he already uses a stop-and-go speech style to try and hide as much of it as possible, and it even happens when he's reading from a script. I say that he's not a quick thinker because, when people pose questions to him in town hall meetings and the like, if they ask him about something he's very quick to just snatch the phrases they use and tacks on bland additions like "I'm going to" or "I'm against", whichever is appropriate for the situation -- the classic populist tactic. He's also avoided Clinton when she challenged him to a unmoderated debate after he whined about unfair questions. This is evidence of a low and slow thinking mind. I'll be very interested to see whether or not McCain takes him up on the offer of debating the "appeasers" issue he threw himself into. I have the feeling that he bit off more than he can chew in an attempt to jump start the general election campaign, and I'm not alone in that assessment.
Obama can't even unify his own party, and a significant percentage of Hillary supporters are vowing to either vote McCain or not at all come election time. I know you want to pretend like that'll go away, but take the cotton out of your ears: it's not going away. If the war issue sinks McCain then this country is full of idiots. Pulling out before Iraq is ready is only going to destabilize the area, Iran is going to make a power play for the northern oil Iraqi fields which they have already promised to do and they'll blame America for it at every step, it'll be a significant morale boost to our enemies and deter others from trusting us for proving that after so many years of investment we're still going to just up and abandon the conflict, and the world's opinion of our nation will drop even lower. Democrat politics only work in Washington, and nobody likes a loser.
BHO himself has never claimed to be a great speaker, but practically everyone in the media and his political supporters already have. People are (or were) feinting at his rallies. There is an overtly emotional messianic appeal that he plays on: he has literally said the American people want someone to fix their problems, he calls himself a unifier, and he has promised to heal the nation and repair the world. One wonders what he'd do for an encore or whether he'll rest on his seventh day in office. =\
Lord of Fire
05-18-2008, 06:20 PM
she just a loser she need to quit and let obama take the nomination
Tokoyami
05-18-2008, 06:52 PM
My bad..
Shoot, too tired I did not read the whole thing :(
I got clinton follower paranoia syndrome :sweatdropCalm down blaze calm down!
You don't wanna make yourself look like a clinton now do you? :zaru
Spencer_Gator
05-18-2008, 08:47 PM
Hillary is an idiot
Uh, she's scheduled to win pretty big here in the next few key states. In the end, she's likely going to own the majority of pledged delegates. The Obama camp would love this to be over now because they know what's coming.
You can't be serious,
On topic: BAWWWWWWWWWWWW
Blaze of Glory
05-18-2008, 08:58 PM
Obama stutters more than I do, despite that he already uses a stop-and-go speech style to try and hide as much of it as possible, and it even happens when he's reading from a script. I say that he's not a quick thinker because, when people pose questions to him in town hall meetings and the like, if they ask him about something he's very quick to just snatch the phrases they use and tacks on bland additions like "I'm going to" or "I'm against", whichever is appropriate for the situation -- the classic populist tactic. He's also avoided Clinton when she challenged him to a unmoderated debate after he whined about unfair questions. This is evidence of a low and slow thinking mind.
This why you are a joke :zaru
You attack a man because he stutters when he speaks... :oh There are plenty of people who do that and yet manage to collect themselves and go about speaking excellently. It's better that there's someone who is an excellent speak but the fact that he's able to form sentence correctly and make good speeches can make you forget about the stuttering; you're exhuming unnecessary facts that hold no relevance. It's pathetic. Twist and turn shit for your own pleasure makes me laugh at you more. :lmao
As for the debate it's insignificant and will not do anything to change the tide of the battle and keeps him away from doing any campaigning if all they're doing is debating.
Also why is it from for him to complain about the debate when the questions were so poorly anwsers were so poorly calibrated?
The fact that she's complaining right now is making her look VERY hypocritical.
BeyonderZ
05-19-2008, 06:27 AM
It's true, the media glorifies everything Barry does and Crucifies everything Hilary does. Barry = No experience, Big Business Controlled "hatter of the working class", has never did a single thing in his political life to help Americans.
Hilary = Politically Experienced, Runs Big Business's, love the working class of America and has tried for 15 years to change our medical system.
But since the Media loves a black guy they glorify him and denounce Hilary, when she is the best PERSON for the job.
Razgriez
05-19-2008, 06:52 AM
Regardless, I still believe the dems fucked up this year. This primary is just about as bad as the past general election and that shit was an complete circus.
So unless the dems can pull some pretty degrading awful bullshit off on McCain who has been supplied all the ammo required to make either candidate look like an retard without even trying. You gotta consider what other Americans who arent hardcore crazy liberals and come in and just look at what they are currently getting. Vote for the party that just completely went bat nuts on itself or vote for the other one.... or lets not forget Nader.
Razgriez: Good point, the Democrat candidate will either way have to pull something terrible about McCain out of the closet because he sure is not going to go easy on his opponent. I'm thinking the Democrats will end up comparing him to Bush, because McCain is going to continue several of his policies, and some unpopular ones included, such as continued presence in Iraq with an increase in troop numbers. Plus he supports the tax cuts, which somebody needs to address do not solve the entire economic problem the US is currently in. Actually, my biggest fear is that Obama will begin securing US businesses with protectionism, although that would be a populist move since he does not seem whole-heartedly opposed to NAFTA and other free-trade policies other than what the Democratic nomination would expect of him.
My big deal with both parties is how they will help the seven million who live in almost absolute poverty, and the thirty-three million in relative poverty. When heading into an economic crisis, the policies now will affect the economy at the point of election-time, and if protectionism is carried through in the next spring, it won't set in until in the autumn, let alone be bogged down in the various veto-points of the legislature.
LiveFire
05-19-2008, 02:23 PM
Clinton needs to give up and go home :pek
Aokiji
05-19-2008, 02:32 PM
She has LOST. Period.
Not only did she have to play dirty, but she still got crushed. NOTHING is going to stop obama unless something absurd comes out about him. His "racist" pastor, "anti american" wife, and Islamic lineage hasn't stopped him, Hilary telling everyone he used to smoke damn sure won't help her now.
I will never vote for Hillary even if she wins this nomination I would sooner vote for McCain. The fact that she can truly sit on her soapbox and preach how its not fair how a 50 mil banker has to pay less on his taxes while she rakes in 100+ mil over 5 years is laughable. This is the one time we have to put a president who's not so far apart from American society that he KNOWS whats actually going on with the people in our country. I mean, he just finished paying off student loans. We need a president who can relate to us, not a president who could give out a dollar to every fucking citizen and still be ok.
I wonder how that is a valid reason to put Obama down. :oh
Byakkö
05-19-2008, 02:36 PM
Clinton just doesn't believe like Obama does.
narutosimpson
05-19-2008, 03:38 PM
I wonder how that is a valid reason to put Obama down. :oh
diamed bait
Axl Low
05-19-2008, 05:31 PM
Karma for the loss xDDD
Blaze of Glory
05-19-2008, 05:45 PM
It's true, the media glorifies everything Barry does and Crucifies everything Hilary does. Barry = No experience, Big Business Controlled "hatter of the working class", has never did a single thing in his political life to help Americans.
Motherfucker plz :oh
Her dumbass is the last thing we need in the white house. Merely, because she's been in the white house doesn't mean nothing. She has the temper of a fucking Russian mafia member and is lying out of her teeth about shit she won't do and is saying it because she wants to win.
Tsukiyomi
05-19-2008, 05:47 PM
I don't see how the media isn't treating her unfairly. When she got caught in a blatant lie about something she did as first lady she didn't get hammered half as hard as he did when they found out his former pastor (not him) said some controversial things. People are still hammering him about this.
She's played a very dirty campaign and is still losing to him. If she had any integrity she would bow out now and throw her weight behind him for the good of the nation, but she won't do that.
Silver Reflection
05-19-2008, 06:58 PM
The media isn't playing fair to her but she wasn't exactly dealing out squeaky clean tactics a while back herself.It's called Karma.
Complaining will get you no where in a hurry,Hillary.
Sasori-puppet#66
05-19-2008, 09:53 PM
This is pretty hypocritical. :oh
Blaze of Glory
05-19-2008, 10:18 PM
The media isn't playing fair to her but she wasn't exactly dealing out squeaky clean tactics a while back herself.It's called Karma.
Complaining will get you no where in a hurry,Hillary.
Are you serious?
We,ve been treating her MORE than fair enough. When she cleared up the Bosnia thing practically everyone forgot it while people kept on hitting him hard because of Obama's pastor and Bill Ayers. All this is, is nothing but childish complaining. A weeks or so ago she lost all the anger towards her about the Bosnia thing; she's getting heat now is because she refuses to admit that she's being stubborn and not some soldier dying for a noble cause.
If anything the hatred against her is strongly justified. Shit a month ago she deserved it all she talked about was how she wanted tro embarass Obama so badly and humiliate him that he'd never step into politics again. Then she tries to re-instate Florida and Michigan because she got all the delegates down there. Then there's also her dirty underhanded tactics which she so loves using in her time of need. It's digusting.
Shit she doesn't deserve sympathy she needs stop bellyaching and either take it move on or drop out. Those are her only options. Nothing is biased she's being a bitch. Simple as that. if you don't understand that then shit don't even bother speaking with me. I don't like talking to ignorant people.
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