View Full Version : Detective! Who's Aizen murderer? (Manga spoilers = You're banned)
Shariyakugan
06-02-2005, 12:13 PM
READ THIS YOU ANIME WATCHERS!
This thread currently contains no spoilers, however some of the theories here may be correct, completely or just in part. If you wanna enjoy Bleach at its fullest, you may consider to not read this thread.
Anyway if you're a manga reader and you're just entering to post "Ah, I know it but can't spoil" or something similar, well, DON'T. // Axass
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In episode 34 we saw captain Aizen stuck to a wall with a Zanpakutoh.
It made me wonder who the assasin might be.
Sum of the facts:
-Aizen went out early.
-Green zanpakutoh handle.
-He has been having discussions with Ichimaru Gin lately.
-Kuchiki byakuya and Aizen have different oppinions on the retirement of Abarai Renji.
(add some if you know any)
However
-He's an all-time niceguy who is loved by more people than he's hated.
Post your theory along with motives and how it was accomplished.
Manga reading people, don't tell us!
I think........
In the episode ichimaru and byakuya get pointed out. But I think neither of them did it. It has to be suicide or some sort of trick, set up by himself. Considering the fact that he left early and he was hanging on his own zapakutoh. It also didn't seem that he was afraid of Ichimaru or byakuya.
With people thinking he's dead he will be able to do some undercover work and see what soul society will do without him. Maybe he will be able to uncover Ichimaru's (or byakuya's, not sure.) true intent.
Urban
06-02-2005, 02:06 PM
Ahh, this is going to be fun =]
I hope for you no one spoils it
Masaki
06-02-2005, 11:36 PM
Were I a Shinigami Detective, I'd point the blame at Ichimaru.
Sewell
06-03-2005, 12:54 AM
But then if I were a manga/story writer etc, it just can't be Ichimaru :P never place the blame on the most obvious.
Shariyakugan
06-03-2005, 06:31 AM
No ichimaru would be too obvious.
defort
06-03-2005, 07:49 AM
you're lucky that you warned me dy. Hmmm, I didn't even know why i read the manga and watch the anime..... but somehow aizen ************************************************** **********
Oompje
06-03-2005, 11:38 AM
Interesting theory you have Shariyakugan, but that still leaves the qeustion how he could do that...
It is indeed a bit to obvious to think it is Ichimaru Gin, but when Aizen went out early there was a person standing behind him. And eventhough we do not know who it is, that person has something to do with Aizen's dead even if he wasn't killed by that person. So that makes your theory fit in less well :amuse
Sabator
06-03-2005, 02:58 PM
The person standing behind Aizen when he went out was not Byakuya.
Skorpion
06-04-2005, 01:39 AM
BTW, it's not his own sword. There's a brief shot were the camera quickly moves away from close to his face, that you see that his own sword is still sheathed(sp?), while his body is impaled on another sword with a green handle
Shariyakugan
06-04-2005, 09:33 AM
hmmm.
that's true.
but who would leave his zanpakutoh behind.
I guess it's not like you buy one on every corner of soul society.
or is it?
Dynomiteguy
06-04-2005, 01:00 PM
What we know is the following : It is a death god (the person stanging outside was in a black robe), the sword has a green handle, the person that did this HAS no sword no more because it is in Aizens body and we know that Ichimaru Gin is a suspect.
I dont think we should be thinking about this just now, too little clues.
Oompje
06-04-2005, 02:09 PM
hmmm.
that's true.
but who would leave his zanpakutoh behind.
I guess it's not like you buy one on every corner of soul society.
or is it?
They may not be available on every corner but since almost all sqaud members have one it should not be to difficult for a person to snatch one without getting noticed.
Hyuuga-YoungIsh
06-04-2005, 03:56 PM
i cant wait till they reveal who did it will it be soon manga readers?
monk3
06-04-2005, 04:01 PM
i cant wait till they reveal who did it will it be soon manga readers?
no. you gotta wait awhile. happy guessing though :amuse
Vodrake
06-04-2005, 04:07 PM
i cant wait till they reveal who did it will it be soon manga readers?
At the rate the anime's going at, there's probably another 20 or so episodes before you do find out. :P In the meanwhile, as a manga reader it's fun reading all the theories you guys come up with. :amuse
Soredakeka?
06-05-2005, 11:48 PM
I don't think it was Ichimaru. He just seems too playful and clever for stuff like that. He's like the Cheshire cat in the sense that he's mysterious and possibly evil but always has a smile on his face and hasn't shown any true evil. I think Byakuya did it.
TenshiOni
06-05-2005, 11:50 PM
I was going to make this thread myself....XD
Oh and, any manga spoilers...even if you use spoiler buttons....and you're banned. :)
Feathers!
06-06-2005, 12:14 AM
I only read the original post for extreme fear of spoilers. Ever since i started naruto manga the anime hasn't been the same.
so i think kon developed a gundam like shinigami suit, flew to spirit world and fell in love with Aizen's vice captain. Then when he saw them spend the night smexing it up in the same room, well we all know the fury that is Kon. Moral of the story, stay away from Kon's females... or he will tattoo you to a wall. literally.
Potentialflip
06-06-2005, 01:32 AM
I just have some questions...
- If there was a battle wouldn't anybody notice it?! While yes we (esp. anime viewers) have no idea how strong Aizen is. Him being a captain at least has someone being able to notice a struggle or something.
- So first we will have to see if there was some sort of fight between Aizen and his attacker.
- The big time clue is the fact it was a Shinigami. At this point we could take out almost all vice-captains. So that would lead the captains. And from what we have seen they really do not get along with another so it would make sense.
- Ichimaru Gin is the most obvious choice as a suspect but he does not have a green handle Zankpaktu. Aizen is the only one I could find carrying a green handle Zankpaktu that resembles the same color of the zankpaktu that is imbedded on him.
(So if it was not Ichimaru who else could it be?! Byakuya does not look like the person who would go against anybody in the group unless they break some sort of Soul Society law. We could also take out Kenpachi off the list cause of his simple obsession of finding Ichigo. Yamamoto could also be taken off simply because he doesn't seem to be that type. So now we are left with the other captains who are mysterious enough.)
... Well just a little extra. I read someone wanted to ask when will they find out in the anime. I would say as early as 18 episodes. Yeah I know what happens and who did it blah blah blah. I just wanted to add something of what I thought off when the manga readers dealt with this type of subject. Though a little changed I still kept the same mindset for it. I loved the other theories on what some of you put though.
Soredakeka?
06-06-2005, 06:39 AM
I'll tell you this if Ichimaru really did do this then the writer of Bleach has no tactfulness or style at all. You never ever use the guy who seemed the most obvious. But I will accept it if it is indeed Ichimaru and he fought Aizen in defense. You gotta admit the tension between the two seemed as though Aizen would've attacked him if he got him alone. I'm not going to lie I'm trying to find out who did it this was way too big of a plot twist for me to just let go of. I don't want it to be Ichimaru because Ichimaru has done some good things.
For one he didn't let Ichigo and his friends pass into the city easily. This was a good thing he did because he knew they would've been killed and he wanted to keep them around. Let's be serious Ichimaru could've killed them all where they stood at his level but didn't. It seemed like he did a good guy thing to me but I could see ulteriour motives in his actions. Still........ He's been doing more good than bad he just seems evil and mischievous I think he's going to be a misunderstood character as a whole. I hope he isn't a bad guy simply because the thing to do in Bleach is kill the badguys.
This episode made Aizen look like an idiot by the way....... "You'd better not underestimate me". Big words for someone who was hung to dry on the top of a towering building for all to observe his utter defeat.
I gotta admit though...... I hate to but I got to. The way that Aizen is hanging from a building at that height suggests the usage of Ichimaru's Soul Slayer. Anyone who watches and has a brain should know why.
Shariyakugan
06-06-2005, 07:25 AM
yeah, but...
Ichimaru's zanpakutoh handle is blue.
and perhaps not long enough. (wakizashi)
Soredakeka?
06-06-2005, 07:39 AM
yeah, but...
Ichimaru's zanpakutoh handle is blue.
and perhaps not long enough. (wakizashi)
You don't pay attention do you? His sword extends to massive lengths at the speed of a bullet.
Dynomiteguy
06-06-2005, 07:39 AM
Its either Byakuya or Ichimaru. Ichimaru cause his sword is so damn big, and Byakuya because he was met with resistance when he decided to leave Renji to die.
Or someone we didnt meet yet :blink
Im saying that because lookie:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Dynomiteguy/Proofthingie.jpg
No white captain cape and both Ichimaru and Byakuya are captains. U never know if someones sword extends like Ichimarus.
Sesqoo
06-06-2005, 07:50 AM
i think its none of these to... it would be to easy to guess.. its more behind this.. maybe another enemy???:confused.. the strange thing is like some1 already said that no1 noticed it.. well aizen is a captain and his opponent should be on that level to.. then some1 should be able to sense the soul pressure.. like kenpachi did when renji and ichigo fought.. and they have a lower soul pressure( i thinkO_o).. so the chance was bigger to sense this fight.. or the enemy was really strong and just did a fast hit and aizen flew up to that building stuck with the soul cutter.. SOMETHING is wrong.. the only thing i can come up with is that the enemy must be really strong to finnish him really fast.. before he even notice so no soul pressure was released?? bah.. this is iritating to not know the answer :notrust ..
Virtual Alpha
06-06-2005, 10:02 AM
I think it's probably a set up on somebody. I mean, who would be dumb enough to leave their sword inside the body still? That's just asking to be caught.
GSurge
06-06-2005, 10:12 AM
I thought the sword was Aizen's own sword.. he was impaled on it.
So looking for clues based on the sword seems silly...
IronFist Alchemist
06-06-2005, 12:16 PM
Very fun read, keep on guessin people! :amuse
Why would anyone impale someone soooo high up??:blink
Deathinstinct
06-06-2005, 02:33 PM
The real problem about thinking about the sword is that the captains know eachother's sword. So if it was a captain's sword, someone would have realized the owner of the soul slayer. Based on this I think it's obvious that it isn't a soul slayer at all. It's probably a normal sword, used to hold him up after being slayed.
The next area to discuss is him being held high up on the wall. While his location would suggest that was how he was killed the above assumptions would create a different picture. My guess is that Aizen wasn't killed by the stroke that stuck him to the wall or he wasn't awake when he was driven through. The basic idea is that someone snuck up behind him and killed/knocked him out. Then the body was impaled on the wall afterward.
The final area is the captains. While we haven't seen much from most of the captains their positions can be assessed from their actions and general attitudes.
First we have the 3rd (Ichimaro Gin). While he always seems to be smiling, this might just be a character trait rather than him having evil thoughts.
Second is the 6th captain(Byakuya). He is the leader of his house/clan (I think), so Rukia's adoption was probably based on his wishes. While he might have an ulterior motive for the adoption of Rukia, this seems unlikely (since if her death was the goal he could have killed her himself long ago). From what he's done, he's probably just a high believer in following the rules (brown-noser).
Then there's the 12th captain(Psycho clown). He is a likely candidate for the killer. He seems more concerned with his own goals, so he would likely kill anyone who gets in his ways. Plus his style seems to dictate treachery and underhanded actions, so he's a likely candidate for Aizen's poisoning/killed from behind.
Finally there's my personal favorite suspect, and a rather obvious one is you look at it in the right light. The first captain, the leader of the captains. From what I can guess he seems to be the law, so it's likely all the suspicious activities are within his control. He also has the power necessary to take Aizen out before anyone notices.
But who knows who really is behind this crazy plot.
ElelloN
06-06-2005, 03:32 PM
But who knows who really is behind this crazy plot.
About all the manga readers ;)
Dynomiteguy
06-06-2005, 05:55 PM
What manga/anime is this?
You are in this forum nd u dont know? Its Bleach.
Anyway I bet its her :
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Dynomiteguy/OMG1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Dynomiteguy/OMG2.jpg
Shes in the ending of bleach 31 O_o
Negative-Ion
06-06-2005, 06:02 PM
You are in this forum nd u dont know? Its Bleach.
This is society TV,i didnt read the rest lol, ive never read or watched bleach so i could not have possibley known. what made me post was the word "Shinigami" or whatever thats spelled, that word has a versy strong usage in Death Note. but since i didnt see anything other related to Death Note, i asked what manga/anime this is.
Vodrake
06-06-2005, 06:31 PM
You are in this forum nd u dont know? Its Bleach.
Anyway I bet its her :
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Dynomiteguy/OMG1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y42/Dynomiteguy/OMG2.jpg
Shes in the ending of bleach 31 O_o
You talking about the girl in orange or Soi fong? I don't think it's either personally, Soi Fong hasn't been shown to have any motive to kill Aizen and the other one isn't in Shinigami robes, whilst the person who appeared behind Aizen before he died was.
Hayate
06-07-2005, 07:53 AM
I think it was Hinamori, she was just fooling us pretending she was sleeping when really she is the ultimate evil destined to kill them all. Either that or a new enemy. Too obvious to be Gin, and I don't think anyone else has motive.
Soredakeka?
06-07-2005, 08:33 AM
Kuchiki did it. He sucks. I hated it when he came in the room like he was cool or something and said "There's no need for that. He's a fool and blah blah take him to jail cuz I'm a bitch."
Shariyakugan
06-07-2005, 01:30 PM
It's really fun reading all this.
tough all this info and stuff don't make me wanna change my theory.
I still think the same way.
But it could also be someone who has stayed outside the spotlight.
That would suck.
we wouldn't have a chance to guess the right thing.
SofaKing
06-07-2005, 07:41 PM
I don't think it's a character we've seen yet. This isn't a mystery show, it's a fighting anime, so it seems more likely that whoever did this is going to be a major villian. This has the same feeling as Naruto did when Orochimaru first showed up.
poeman
06-08-2005, 02:55 AM
lol watch it be that kid... the 4th squad boy with ichigo , the medic hahah
ima laugh
otakufan
06-08-2005, 03:17 AM
Despite being a manga reader and already knowing the answer (I can't help rubbing it in a little... :p), I'll play along.
Based solely on the information currently available in the anime, the evidence seems to point to one of the upper-range Shinigami (Vice-Captain or Captain level). The height at which Aizen's body was pinned to the wall hints at Ichimaru's zanpakutou's highly variable length, but is presumably not something too difficult to replicate. And since Aizen was pinned to the wall with what appears to be his own zanpakutou (ignoring the one still sheathed at his side), the guilty party would have to be capable of getting up to his body regardless of any "Extend-o-Sword" capabilities.
As pointed out by Dynomiteguy, the person following Aizen when he went out for a walk just prior to his death appears to not be wearing a Captain's uniform (as told by the lack of a white haori), thus opening the possibility of a lower-ranking Shinigami being the guilty party.
Due to Aizen's obvious suspicion that Ichimaru was up to something, and given his subsequent demise, it is fairly easy to assume that Ichimaru is the murderer, but that seems (for lack of a better way of putting it) simply too easy. His involvement in some way seems almost assured, but if he is then he did not act alone. If so, trusted friends and subordinates (Matsumoto and Kira, for example) are likely accomplices.
At the same time, despite overhearing most of Aizen and Ichimaru's conversation, Hitsugaya's warning to Hinamori gives the impression that he knows more than he is letting on. While likely no more than simple wariness and a desire to protect Hinamori, the is a slight possibility of his involvement as well.
Despite their differences in opinion over Renji's fate, Byakuya does not seem the type to go outside the law for anything, especially for something so simple as a disagreement - one which had more support across the Gotei 13 leadship against Byakuya than just Aizen. As cold and heartless as Byakuya seems, he appears to hold the law above everything else. I highly doubt that Byakuya had anything to do with it.
NineG
06-10-2005, 09:00 AM
Aizen is loved too much , i bet some one thinks there for he gets too much people that suport him and that's why he was killed
but i don't think ichimaru would do that so it has to be someone else
or maybe te dude was suicidal >_<
and this is just a little thing that happend
Shariyakugan
06-10-2005, 04:50 PM
Aizen just couldn't take it anymore.
The hard life of being a shinigami captain.
Cute girls throwing themself at his feet.
Being ultrapowerfull.
He was getting sick of it.
I would too. :wink
NineG
06-10-2005, 07:31 PM
but think about it the fucker found somthing out he could not share it with anybody so
he killed him self and wrote his will
Chopstickx
06-10-2005, 09:42 PM
*sigh* would've been fun for me to make up theories on this too...
but unfortunately i got spoiled by some dumb guy who didnt use spoiler tags in the anime section of Bleach -_-;;
so have fun guessing =\ why didnt he use spoiler tags?!?! ruined all the fun for me ;__;
Annagen
06-11-2005, 12:12 AM
Well, it looks like all my theories have been stated allready :D. I agree that it's not Gin, at least not directly. He's far too obvious, but I don't think he'd be above ordering someone else to do it. Izuru would be my next choice, but since we were in his POV when he saw Aizen's body, his reaction seemed genuine. Hitsugaya knows more than he's telling, but I can't say to which end. He certainly doesn't want to hurt Hinamori, but I don't know if that would extend to her captain. (But we have no Motive for him...)
tsetze
06-11-2005, 10:30 AM
hitsugaya <3 hinamori , hinamori <3 aizen , hitsugaya is jealous. hitsugaya kills aizen.
ok, im joking haha
DeathGuise_of_Oblivion
06-11-2005, 03:56 PM
*looks at rep* Umm...so no spoilers, huh. Well then I'll post who I think it is/was. I think its the Capt. Basket Head. Why? Because I said so.
otakufan
06-11-2005, 06:49 PM
*looks at rep* Umm...so no spoilers, huh. Well then I'll post who I think it is/was. I think its the Capt. Basket Head. Why? Because I said so.
For those who want to know, "basket-head" is named Komamura Sajin.
Weavern
06-11-2005, 06:53 PM
Its obviously ichigo in a drunken rage woke up walked upto the upper echelons of the SS and stabbed aizen with a new sword! Then fell through a convient manhole cover and returned to where we see him at the start of the anime :smile-big
I loved how the scene was done in the anime :) Thou i'm frequently suprised at the ammount of blood that can be generated in the soul society just look at how much blood there was!
Masaki
06-11-2005, 09:12 PM
I say Ichimaru. I mean, anyone who looks at Aizen the way he was and doesn't care has to be suspicious.
But, like someone said, it's too obvious.
knowledge
06-12-2005, 01:33 AM
somebody post a link to a manga thread with the real killer or at least give me the keyword to search for...
IronFist Alchemist
06-12-2005, 01:49 AM
Ask in Society Library ;)
Annagen
06-12-2005, 03:06 AM
Thou i'm frequently suprised at the ammount of blood that can be generated in the soul society just look at how much blood there was!
I know. It was quite... disproportunate, I thought. Can the human (shinigami, whatever) body bleed that much? That, um, red-y?
Shariyakugan
06-12-2005, 06:20 AM
I guess....
Madarame ikkaku and ichigo in their fight have been bleeding rather severely.
Maybe it only comes in bigsize packages.
Hyuuga-YoungIsh
06-12-2005, 01:47 PM
manga readers will they be giving clues to who killed aizen over the next few episodes or will it just be revealed when its supposed 2?
Weavern
06-12-2005, 04:21 PM
Not really any spoilers upcomming that says who killed aizen to my knowledge. For those looking for the answers, a simple search of 'aizen' and 'killed' might get information on who killed aizen. But i still say its a drunken ichigo whom has no memories of the crime :D
DeathGuise_of_Oblivion
06-12-2005, 05:05 PM
I say Ichimaru. I mean, anyone who looks at Aizen the way he was and doesn't care has to be suspicious.
But, like someone said, it's too obvious.
Hoho, you've no idea. But yes its obvious that Gin knows something, and is it just me or is Hitsu not so much of a midget as he was in the manga?
Shiron
06-12-2005, 05:23 PM
manga readers will they be giving clues to who killed aizen over the next few episodes or will it just be revealed when its supposed 2?
Nope. I don't really think that there will be any more clues/hints (although I could be wrong) about who killed Aizen until it is actually revealed.
Hyuuga-YoungIsh
06-12-2005, 06:00 PM
aww thats sucks that so would have built up the suspense of finally finding out who actually did it
Blinus
08-31-2005, 08:01 AM
I don't THINK this goes against the Bleach spoiler policy. If it does, you may quickly destroy this, mods.
Amongst the anime only people, there must be a lot of debate as to who killed Aizen and stuck him up there.
I'm an anime-only person too, but... grumble... I happen to know who did it because it was spoiled for me. But for you lucky anime-only people who are unspoiled, who do you think did it? I'm interested to hear the theories. I just won't comment on the theories or say anything other than what I've already said.
Oskar von Reuental
08-31-2005, 08:08 AM
Gin for the win. :tem
I'm an anime only, and a fanart whore, so i know the plot, but it's still interesting.
aizen seemed to be a very much loved character, so when there is a murder you will need a motive, why do people kill?
revenge, arrogance, power, this clearly wasn't an accident so that is exclosed ;)
we all know hitsugaya our über midget suspects Gin and that the vice captain girl attacked gin after the murder was discovered, or does gin has nothing to do with being a murderer? . . . yet ¬.¬
Gin for the win.
being aizen's former vice captain that makes gin 1 of his closest persons, that could make him 2 things, a suspect because he was very close, but why would he kill him?
he was a captain himself by that time, no motive to kill him and being a replacement to gain captain rank ;]
DevilB0i
08-31-2005, 08:13 AM
Azien commited suicide.
Oskar von Reuental
08-31-2005, 08:16 AM
being aizen's former vice captain that makes gin 1 of his closest persons, that could make him 2 things, a suspect because he was very close, but why would he kill him?
he was a captain himself by that time, no motive to kill him and being a replacement to gain captain rank ;]
What if he had a grudge? He looked suspicious when the alarm went off. Actually he looks all suspicious-like all the time. What if he plans to utilize the Soukyokou for something?
starwolf
08-31-2005, 08:32 AM
some other captain for reasons that haven't been revealed yet...gin would be too obvious
Blinus
08-31-2005, 08:38 AM
What people should also never discount is that it wasn't necessarily a single killer. How strong was Aizen? Could only one person have killed him, or would more than one person be needed?
You jerks are all so lucky you didn't have the damn murderer revealed to you long before you were supposed to. I wish I could remember who spoiled it for me.... because they might just mysterious turn up missing, ya know, ah dunno, maybe ah hearda this... you squealing? Anybody who squeals will find themselves with cements boots at the bottom of the... of a... uh... of some sort of water source. I'll locate one.
Phancy Pants
08-31-2005, 08:49 AM
Looks like it's time to break out the old Cluedo board! I agree with Ben though, mostly coz I like his avatar, but also coz he brings up something else. How did no one else sense the murder, or hear it for that matter, unless they just played rock, paper scissors to decide who was gonna win.
cinosweiv
08-31-2005, 09:33 AM
Sadly, I am not an Anime watcher only. So, like Ben_Plate, I know the answer, but still very interested to see what other Anime-watchers' thinking. Because once I was in your positions to speculate about this topic.
As a Manga reader, I would not make any comments except my interest on this thread...
Keep posting.....
To Ben_Plate, I feel sorry for you to be spoiled, I know how irritating it was because I felt it before.
Blinus
08-31-2005, 10:20 AM
Sadly, I am not an Anime watcher only. So, like Ben_Plate, I know the answer, but still very interested to see what other Anime-watchers' thinking. Because once I was in your positions to speculate about this topic.
As a Manga reader, I would not make any comments except my interest on this thread...
Keep posting.....
To Ben_Plate, I feel sorry for you to be spoiled, I know how irritating it was because I felt it before.
Plante. Ben Plante. ... You know, I've heard plahn-tay, plant-ee, plaunt, and even planet. Plate is a new one. Congratulations. :whoo
Potentialflip
08-31-2005, 11:09 AM
Plante. Ben Plante. ... You know, I've heard plahn-tay, plant-ee, plaunt, and even planet. Plate is a new one. Congratulations. :whoo
:tem :tem I wonder what type of nickname Yachiru will call you with people having posted your name wrong. :laugh :laugh
On-topic:: well its interesting how some people theories have turned out. One person was thinking the way I was when I got this the first time. Which was who really would kill him? and why? The thing that really sucks is not everyone is shown yet in a character development type of way. It was pretty easy to take people out of the suspect list but still it could still happen.
By the way. Just like most people I will have to say I feel sorry for you only because it is a very big part of the plot and if there is to be one spoiler that shouldn't be put out there to spoil you guys it is the one that really affects the plot big time. Anyways keep it up but I believe the lucky ones somehow are really really lucky at this point cause I believe a good percentage of Anime Only Viewers have been pretty much been spoiled.
Sawako
08-31-2005, 11:22 AM
It seems obvious that it was Gin. Maybe too obvious.
Maybe it was Hitsugaya, and he was just trying to set Gin up.
Blinus
08-31-2005, 11:30 AM
Let's play all fun like.
Let's look at Ichimaru Gin. Shows no remorse, just seems evil in general, and he and Aizen were not getting along shortly before Aizen was killed. BUT... can it really be that obvious? ... Sure it could. Could be a double-bluff. But then, they'd expect that too, so it's be a triple-bluff they's pull! ... BUT THEN!!!... As you can see, the bluff goes on forever.
Old Man Yamamoto? He is likely the strongest of them all and could easily silently and quickly eliminate anyone in his way. Right? But what of motive?
Hitsugaya? He seems almost... TOO helpful... ne? He told Hinamori to be careful of Ichimaru. Of course that sentence triggers in her mind finding Aizen dead. Did he plan it that way?
Byakuya? Could someone who shows no compassion to his sister, regardless of the strangeness of the orders coming from above, be the one orchestrating it all in the first place?
Colonel Mustard? Did you see the way he glared at Miss Scarlet shortly before Mrs. White was murdered? Also, he was conveniently not at the Cluedo House when Aizen was killed... and the wrench is still missing.
Yojimbo
08-31-2005, 11:38 AM
think also into concideration that this happened over night and without any noises. look at the battles taht have happened previously with the captains and ryokas...explosions everywhere...so it has to be someone strong that killed Aizen.
IronFist Alchemist
08-31-2005, 11:50 AM
think also into concideration that this happened over night and without any noises. look at the battles taht have happened previously with the captains and ryokas...explosions everywhere...so it has to be someone strong that killed Aizen.
..Yoiruichi!!*dun dun DUUUUN*:amazed
i really doubt that Ichimaru did it, that would be just to obvious...im an anime watcher too but for some reason i dont think hes dead...NO SPOILER here its just a thought that i have...
Inquisitor
08-31-2005, 12:36 PM
I don't think Ichimaru would be dumb enough to kill Aizen. Everyone could tell that Aizen was suspicious of Ichimaru, who clearly has some plans of his own.
Hmm. Considering the speed one would need to take out a captain before he could react, implying that that person had great concealment skills. So, speed and ninja-like stealth. It almost sounds like Yoruichi could've done it, but I don't remember where she was at at that time.
azn_sephiroth
08-31-2005, 12:36 PM
I'm kinda falling for gin here......i hated aizen anyways
SSJLance
08-31-2005, 02:36 PM
Yes I too was spoiled on this subject, and right when I was really getting into Bleach too :mad Now I need to read the manga so that I don't run into anymore spoilers, because then I'll know what happens on my own, without someone else telling me...
Ephemeral
08-31-2005, 03:35 PM
I think it was....BATMAN! =o
Nihonjin
08-31-2005, 04:55 PM
I was thinking, It couldn't have been a fight.
1) Otherwise other captains atleast, would've felt it.
2) If someone fought with Aizen (A captain) I refuse to believe he/she/they would leave without a scratch.
So my guess is that its either stealth attack that killed him with one shot.
Or Aizen has something to do with it himself...
Also, in this episode we saw what "he" wrote to hinamori...I was thinking "Gin messed with it"....but how the hell can he fake someones hand writing...
Meh to much for my head again, I'll just wait and see how it developes.
pinoy22
08-31-2005, 05:07 PM
after ep 47 .....if you havent seen ep 47 do not click the spoiler
hitsugaya has been targeted by aizen's letter and the letter says that hitsugaya is the assasin.......hinamori trys to attack hitsugaya but hitsugaya knocks her out because he suspects that the assasin changed out the letters so that the letters said that hitsugaya killed aizen......hitsugaya then looks at gin who starts smiling as hitsugaya figures out his plot and hitsugaya and gin begin to power up for a major fight........or i couldve jus said ichimaru gin but i felt like typin it out:laugh
General Shino
08-31-2005, 05:10 PM
at times like these i wish i was anime only.... this looks like fun....
azn_sephiroth
08-31-2005, 06:23 PM
I think it was....BATMAN! =o
yuup i agree.
Dabura
08-31-2005, 06:35 PM
this is a really fun topic! Unfortunately I'm a manga reader, so no comments.
But anyone with bad intentions could spoil a large group of people right here
Before I read the bleach manga I got spoiled because I saw a manga picture between random other anime screens on a very cheap looking website!!!
That's one chance in a thousant, poor me -_-;
Insipidipity
08-31-2005, 06:42 PM
Its obviously not Gin...too damn obvious. It was probably Maggie, in Rukongai, with the Asauchi. Cluedo game solved!
Actually, for a real twister, it has to be a conspiracy, I bet Aizen is in cahoots with that one doctor chick. Theres no way Aizen, a captain, could've been snuck up upon and killed without a massive amount of Reiatsu which is required to even scratch some captains, which would've woken up everyone. So it had to be a captain or else other people would be dead or have blood left over. The captain who's squad usually doesn't keep zanpaktou with them is 4th because they're medics, so she probably has access to all of them. She could probably get a gigai, kill it, and tell everyone it was the real Aizen because who else can they turn to? Everyone who could tell them the truth is in her squad.
Think about it, she's the only person who confirmed the body wasn't a gigai. Comon, two dorky lookin characters, one papa looking, one mama lookin. Its obviously a vast conspiracy. They probably figured out how to keep Uruhara out because he was getting to close. This way, they can enact wartime powers. And that way they can take over Iraq for the oil...I mean...Seireitei for the...business? I mean, maybe she gets paid for the number of people getting hurt so she gets more business from everyone dying trying to fight the Ryoka.
Maybe they know Uruhara sent Ichigo so they want to find a way to blame them so all of the Gotei 13 will try to kill them, protecting their secret plans. So anyways, Bush and Blair...I mean Aizen and that 4th squad captain, have this all mapped out.
Ok, and finally my third guess is Yoroichi. Isn't it kinda odd that Yoroichi has just been wandering around on her own? Isn't it a little too coincidental that Aizen died when they arrived? We saw how powerful she seems to be, perhaps, she stole a uniform(itd be pretty easy) flash stepped to kill Aizen so quickly, and left again. I think more people thought of this, so maybe its a little too obvious.
Ok, my REAL last guess, ALL the other captains who weren't shown being told about it were in on it. Think about it, only 3 or so captains we've seen being given the message(the one sado fought, Kenpachi's vice, and I forget but I think another). So the only one's excluded were probably Kenpachi, Tousen, the cage head, Hitsugaya, the one sado fought, Aizen of course, and Mayuri. That leaves 6, probably not the 1st squad since he seems like he could force them to do it anyways. So 5 out of 13 ain't that bad of a conspiracy squad. That'd be why Gin protected Byakuya from Kenpachi. Unless, Byakuya was crucial but not trusted so they couldn't have him hurt for their plan. That leaves 4. The 13th squad seems in the dark too, that leaves 3. 4th squad captain probably knows, hell if there was a chance Aizen was alive, she might've finished him off. Gin might be in on it. I forgot who's left.
I bet it'd be easier to tell if we mapped out how each reacts to each other. However, its hard to tell whos acting and who's not
Shinigami-Isshin
08-31-2005, 10:12 PM
its funny for me, a manga reader, to see who close to being right and whos WAAY off. you will be surprised, oh yes.
Insipidipity
08-31-2005, 10:25 PM
Yea...Aizen was acting REALLY suicidal that night.
Although I do say its questionable if he was directly involved in his own death because he did write a letter to Hinamori. He didn't have any specific knowledge of Gin's actions and was only being watchful. So for something to surprise Hinamori means it was probably something conspiratory.
OMG, I just had another good idea. I just remembered Ace Ventura where the guy who hired him was the one who did it("so I could say I did everything I could to prevent it"). Then I switched to Family guy. Boy Genius = Stewie! Almost all boy geniuses are evil, like Itachi and Stewie and to a lesser degree Neji and Gaara. Hitsugaya was the one who kept seeming so helpful to Hinamori, maybe HE did it! Think about it, he overheard them talking, so he knew he could pin the blame on Gin. Then when Hinamori attacked Gin, he could get her put in jail so since she was his vice she would be most likely to find out. It makes so much sense!
NecroManc3r
08-31-2005, 10:36 PM
Insipidity stop thinking so hard =/.
IronFist Alchemist
08-31-2005, 10:37 PM
I doubt it was suicide...how'd he get so high up?
Axass
08-31-2005, 11:44 PM
NecroManc3r/Shiari you're both lucky that I'm feeling kind today. Those hints you gave out in your posts are on the same level of plain spoiling, I could've banned you for that.
BTW - What's up with manga readers posting here for the sake of it? Post only if you have something RELEVANT to say and if you're not gonna spoil or hint at spoilers. And don't go around creating fake theories unless you're good at it.
We all know that this is important in the series, so let's try to keep the slight number of unspoiled anime watchers, unaware of who it was.
IronFist Alchemist
08-31-2005, 11:56 PM
He jumped?
He jumped and stabbed himself to the tower...brilliant :S
Insipidipity
09-01-2005, 12:04 AM
If you're wondering how Aizen got himself so high, ask yourself, why is he so high in the first place? This wasn't an assassination, this was a statement. The killer WANTED him to be found. Meaning he WANTED wartime usage of Zanpaktou. Meaning he WANTED to kill the ryoka or have others.
Manetheren
09-01-2005, 12:41 AM
Being that high up shouldnt be a big deal anyway.
The Shinigami Captains should all be able to do that walking on air thing that Ichigo pulled off once... shouldnt they?
Insipidipity
09-01-2005, 12:44 AM
Walking on air? Don't recall.
I'm just saying, he was basically hung up on the wall like a poster. If the killer just had a grudge, he could've killed him and hid it. Instead he nailed him to the wall with a friggin zanpaktou.
Well do we know when the killer killed Aizen? He could've not had enough time to hide anything, wasn't the blood still dripping when they arrived on the scene?
It could simply be a "crime of passion" instead of something with an ulterior motive. It's also very possible more than one person is involved. Or rather he may have been involved in something and was killed kind of like a "Drug deal gone wrong" type of deal.
He could also have killed himself as a message to what happens when Ryoka invade, like he has some deep grudge against them because of some past event. The fact that it happenned when Ichigo and the rest happen to be causing this much trouble makes it likely.
Insipidipity
09-01-2005, 01:13 AM
Well do we know when the killer killed Aizen? He could've not had enough time to hide anything, wasn't the blood still dripping when they arrived on the scene?
It could simply be a "crime of passion" instead of something with an ulterior motive. It's also very possible more than one person is involved. Or rather he may have been involved in something and was killed kind of like a "Drug deal gone wrong" type of deal.
He could also have killed himself as a message to what happens when Ryoka invade, like he has some deep grudge against them because of some past event. The fact that it happenned when Ichigo and the rest happen to be causing this much trouble makes it likely.
Hide? How about not hanging him up on the wall? Do you think Aizen was just that high on the wall when someone came up to him and slammed a zanpaktou through him? If they wanted to kill him, they probably would've left him on the ground since thats the most likely way he would've died. No, this was a message. Whether by Aizen or someone else.
Good ideas though.
He did seem troubled about Gin letting them go, but his grudge seemed with Gin more than ryoka but its possible.
pinoy22
09-01-2005, 01:20 AM
wouldnt it be cool though if he was jus tryin to jump really high and then the killer threw the zanpakutou through the air and got him right in the stomach (or was it the heart?)
Like Axass said, manga readers stop with all of the hinting, why not just read this thread instead of posting? Please don't ruin it for others, you don't want to get banned now do you? Thanks for your cooperation, as long as you follow the rules and do not spoil it'll all be ok :amuse
Ephemeral
09-01-2005, 02:58 AM
He jumped and stabbed himself to the tower...brilliant :S
Maybe he fell down and stabbed himself =P
cinosweiv
09-01-2005, 03:23 AM
wouldnt it be cool though if he was jus tryin to jump really high and then the killer threw the zanpakutou through the air and got him right in the stomach (or was it the heart?)
First thing in the morning, he was in the top building without his Zanpakatao, trying to bungee jumping.:smile-big
cinosweiv
09-01-2005, 03:48 AM
Muk, please don't give any hints in this thread...
Hints are sometimes indirectly lead to a spoiler.
And sometimes it is a way in leading people to know the answer.
As Manga readers, we should probably just watch them guessing.
I think it was a hollow who killed him because do you remember episode 46?? when the hollows were in Soul Society and was invinsible and nobody felt their Spiritual pressure?
So my guess: A menos or what the hell they are called, one of those really big and strong hollows.
Manetheren
09-01-2005, 06:21 PM
the event in 46 took place in the normal world, not in Soul Society.
If a hollow got into the Soul Society, I have a feeling that they would ALL know it.
Heck, they knew as soon as Ichigo and co. started entering the pathway to enter the Soul Society.
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And the walking on air thing:
I meant like in the fight in like the first couple of episodes against Orihime's brother. He got knocked out the window and managed to skid to a halt. On the air.
Manga comment from Vol.8 US Release (during Ichigo's training before Soul Society)...
cant remember if it was brought up in the anime or not, but this is as far as I have read in the manga...
When Ichigo is talking with Zangetsu during the "find the Powers" scene, he mentions the walking on air thing. It was really confusing, but I think it had something to do with essentially using the spirit energy for grounding or something like that.
Ichigo kind of did it without thinking, but I would think that if he could do something like that at the level he was at during that fight, that any of the Captains should be able to do it.
Baby Raptor
09-01-2005, 08:55 PM
it is seem fishy ( i am not manga reader of Bleach),, IT is seem Gin is not killer but he is still crazy but not stupid to kill captin level ,,, it is seem , Azien is mastermind of plan?? or not i am not sure about that since short guy said Azien never wrote letter to low level of Death god but Azien did it but i feel about him but he is easily killed by who?? himself??
Ha-ri
09-01-2005, 11:59 PM
I say Gin is evil even if he didn't kill Azien. But I say its either Gin or Mayuri.
Insipidipity
09-02-2005, 12:14 AM
You know, other than his eyes, Gin has seemed almost innocent. He does his job by protecting SS from Jidanbou letting Ryoka in but doesn't kill them. He protects himself but restrains for a while against Hinamori when he could've killed her easily. He sounds sarcastic but he could be honest about Byakuya sounding scary. He protected Kenpachi from Byakuya and was nice about his sister. He was pretty nice to Hinamori about Renji.
So he did his job with Jidanbou, he protected himself from Hinamori, he spared Ichigo, he spared Kenpachi, and he was helpful to Hinamori.
I think the 2 things that makes Gin sound bad is his voice sounds sarcastic and his eyes are small.
GINS INNOCENT!
Ha-ri
09-02-2005, 02:32 AM
I think the 2 things that makes Gin sound bad is his voice sounds sarcastic and his eyes are small.
And his freeky smile.
Oompje
09-02-2005, 08:24 AM
I think that Gin knows more about it, maybe he knows exactly what happendto Aizen. But I am not sure if he killed him, cause it would be hard to kill a captain unnoticed all by yourselve. So maybe he orderd some other people to kill Aizen and faked the letter for Hinamori.
NecroManc3r
09-02-2005, 09:56 AM
I think that Gin knows more about it, maybe he knows exactly what happendto Aizen. But I am not sure if he killed him, cause it would be hard to kill a captain unnoticed all by yourselve. So maybe he orderd some other people to kill Aizen and faked the letter for Hinamori.
Who would he order to kill them? like you just said its hard to kill a captain.
thevassago
09-02-2005, 11:06 AM
Like most people said, I don't think Gin is the killer, but I think he is a god damn smiling bastard. I suspect that black cat Yorouchi (spelling maybe incorrect).
He can easily make a power sphere, and he talks :) . If that didn't make a cat suspicious nothing can. I think he is actually a human in disguise. His best friend is urahara who is also strangely very powerful, maybe they have a different plot in actions other than saving Rukia.
Baby Raptor
09-02-2005, 11:18 AM
My theroy is wrong about Azien becasue i feel Rukia's brother or not ?? Yorouchi call him baby flash,, he is evil behind his straight face??
NecroManc3r
09-02-2005, 11:35 AM
Like most people said, I don't think Gin is the killer, but I think he is a god damn smiling bastard. I suspect that black cat Yorouchi (spelling maybe incorrect).
He can easily make a power sphere, and he talks . If that didn't make a cat suspicious nothing can. I think he is actually a human in disguise.
The cat is Yoruichi. The Black woman with the Purple hair.
Cthulhu-versailles
09-02-2005, 04:24 PM
My theroy
Ahem I think it is the black captain... why because he is the wickedest captain with those cool purple shades and that attack that instantly knocked out ishida. Whatever his name is needs more airtime dammit. Lol
remeber a couple eps back ihe was like I hate fighting but if I must I must.. Lol and after saying all that he didn't even fight against ishida but kncoked him out in one hit.. lol I love this guy.. but wth is his name.
Oh yeah also that captain who has la basket for a head might be guilty.. damn you basket captain!
...No wait an even better twist would be if hinamori was actually tyhe killer and here having the letter and crying and all that was like this hyper confusing act...
People lets give up no one will find out the killer unless you read the manga.
This is too complicated im out of here!
NecroManc3r
09-02-2005, 06:51 PM
Ahem I think it is the black captain... why because he is the wickedest captain with those cool purple shades and that attack that instantly knocked out ishida. Whatever his name is needs more airtime dammit. Lol
His name is Kaname.
Sesqoo
09-02-2005, 06:59 PM
i think its kon
NecroManc3r
09-02-2005, 07:02 PM
i think its kon
So Kon has access to soul society?
The way he talked its like the last place he would want to be.
i think its kon
omg damn mangaaaa readerrrrr why did you spoilllllll!!! I hate youuuuu!! :scry :scry :scry
yes he has access he is going to kill everyone now...
:kislide
Sesqoo
09-02-2005, 07:04 PM
i wouldnt like to be close to the place i just killed a captain wouldnt i?.. also kon is more then he looks... i think hes far above captain level
NecroManc3r
09-02-2005, 07:05 PM
i wouldnt like to be close to the place i just killed a captain wouldnt i?.. also kon is more then he looks... i think hes far above captain level
So you think he killed him before he made it to Earth? I guess the timing is right.
Sesqoo
09-02-2005, 07:07 PM
So you think he killed him before he made it to Earth? I guess the timing is right.
he has a time machine
NecroManc3r
09-02-2005, 07:08 PM
he has a time machine
Lol well I really wouldn't have guessed that one.
Sesqoo
09-02-2005, 07:10 PM
Lol well I really wouldn't have guessed that one.
well its a secret only i and kon know bout this.. not even shown yet in the manga.. so dont tell any1
I think we will see the killer soon like 5 eps or so ;)
Shariyakugan
09-03-2005, 03:11 PM
It's all going to an unexpected twist.
All the toughts on who might be the killer.
Hitsugaya thinks it's Gin, Hinamori thinks it's Hitsugaya.
>> If people continue to put spoilers from the manga even with spoiler tags, there will be consequences. Please do not ruin the suspense for anime-only watchers, thank you :amuse.
Insipidipity
09-03-2005, 08:25 PM
Lets be honest with ourselves. We ALL know Orihime did it.
Think about it. They stole Uniforms, what happened to the Zanpaktous? Ishida has shown trouble fighting Mayuri, Orihime on the other hand has Tsubaki. Even if he was injured, he was probably used in a sneak attack and finished off Aizen, then she had her fairies fly up and stuck him to the wall with her stolen Zanpaktou. Comon people. WHO ELSE CAN FLY THAT HIGH? Yoroichi was in cat form at that time, cats can't kill people. It had to be Orihime.
She's evil and sneaky. Ishida couldn't stop her because of insane powers which would split him in half.
legan
09-04-2005, 02:40 AM
We all know he commited suicide. Either that or it was bucket head.
crazymtf
09-04-2005, 04:05 AM
Gin :) ... Oh that's my guess :)
Phancy Pants
09-04-2005, 06:46 AM
I think by now we all know it was Kon. nuff said.
Sesqoo
09-04-2005, 06:55 AM
Lets be honest with ourselves. We ALL know Orihime did it.
Think about it. They stole Uniforms, what happened to the Zanpaktous? Ishida has shown trouble fighting Mayuri, Orihime on the other hand has Tsubaki. Even if he was injured, he was probably used in a sneak attack and finished off Aizen, then she had her fairies fly up and stuck him to the wall with her stolen Zanpaktou. Comon people. WHO ELSE CAN FLY THAT HIGH? Yoroichi was in cat form at that time, cats can't kill people. It had to be Orihime.
She's evil and sneaky. Ishida couldn't stop her because of insane powers which would split him in half.
yea u would think so but.. i was thinking it was her 2 before i knew about kon.. i mean cmon look hes the perfect killer.. having rukia as his b*ch shes the bait to take the big sword thingy ..forgot the name of it.. also dont forget kon has a time machine .. that way he didnt only kill aizen etc etc... HE ALSO SWICHED THE LETTER TO aizens vice captain to make her kill the biggest PIMP in soul society HITSUGAYA!!!!! he knows Hitsugaya is the only one that has a chance defeating kon.. so now u all know:amuse
DevilB0i
09-04-2005, 07:18 AM
Kira did it!!!!!
yea u would think so but.. i was thinking it was her 2 before i knew about kon.. i mean cmon look hes the perfect killer.. having rukia as his b*ch shes the bait to take the big sword thingy ..forgot the name of it.. also dont forget kon has a time machine .. that way he didnt only kill aizen etc etc... HE ALSO SWICHED THE LETTER TO aizens vice captain to make her kill the biggest PIMP in soul society HITSUGAYA!!!!! he knows Hitsugaya is the only one that has a chance defeating kon.. so now u all know:amuse
I don't know what the hell this guy is talking about (Probably on crack)
But I agree with him.
DevilB0i
09-05-2005, 01:17 PM
damn i just told them that kira did it!!! damn plz dont ban me!!!
Boreas
09-05-2005, 01:55 PM
There are 3 things important in a murder.
Oportunity weapon and motive.
Aizen seemed to be in the begining a balanced person rational and admired etc. No one would have motives at first glance.
Now it seems that Gin was vice captain of Aizen, he was promoted...something could happened between both.
But last episode really became weird. Aizen and Gin appeared to have problems between, but it's Hitsugaya that the letter incriminates. Until now he seems completely inocent.
So... the letter was changed when she was sleeping, or really Aizen wrote that with an unknew motive.
Kabuto_o
09-05-2005, 02:02 PM
Gin is the only one so far that is suspicous. He is the only one with a long range zanpaktou attack aswell.
Nihonjin
09-05-2005, 02:29 PM
I'm still wondering, why the hell do you guys keep saying its Gin, Because of his long sword -_-'
It doesn't make any sence.
I'm still wondering, why the hell do you guys keep saying its Gin, Because of his long sword -_-'
It doesn't make any sence.
Well Gin's shikai allows him to implace someone into a high place and then he could just toss another sword to keep in place...
Well there's a possiblity that Hitsugaya is the evil one... and Gin the good?
Sesqoo
09-05-2005, 02:43 PM
Well Gin's shikai allows him to implace someone into a high place and then he could just toss another sword to keep in place...
Well there's a possiblity that Hitsugaya is the evil one... and Gin the good?
Gins shikai allows him to place someone high up, thats true, but if he removed his sword in order to swich swords wouldn't Aizen fall? And a pimp like Hitsugaya can't be evil.:P
edit: Still think its Kon:cool
Kabuto_o
09-05-2005, 03:04 PM
Gins shikai allows him to place someone high up, thats true, but if he removed his sword in order to swich swords wouldn't Aizen fall? And a pimp like Hitsugaya can't be evil.:P
edit: Still think its Kon:cool
That's true, even if his sword is long he can't keep him up there afterwards, but that applies to everyone and is still even lower chance that anyone else could have done because they can't even get him up at that height in the first place.
[Deleted. Read the first post.]---TenshiOni
Sesqoo
09-05-2005, 03:16 PM
...Anyways, I already know who it is :)
So u know Kon did it, hes a strong little bastard, but lets keep this a secret, only we swedish people know the secret of Kons murder.:cool
Kabuto_o
09-05-2005, 03:24 PM
So I was right after all? but it's no secret anymore when you said it :)
Kon couldn't kill Aizen! It's too obvious o_O Has to be Goku from DBZ! That sword in Aizen's body is actually disguised as Goku's power-pole! >___>
Cytokinesis
09-05-2005, 03:56 PM
No your all wrong, it was the worlds strongest HERCULE!
Sesqoo
09-05-2005, 04:13 PM
So I was right after all? but it's no secret anymore when you said it :)
I know but i couldnt help myself i had a spoiler tag before but axass removed it blame him:P j/k.
Kon couldn't kill Aizen! It's too obvious o_O Has to be Goku from DBZ! That sword in Aizen's body is actually disguised as Goku's power-pole! >___>
Nonono its all part of Kons illusion it makes u think that way but its Kon alright and no its not to obvious or actually it is, but thats the point. Look it fooled you now your thinking its Goku, 'cos you thought it was to obvious. Damn Kon is smart:amazed
Oompje
09-05-2005, 04:26 PM
Well if you look at it with a more serious point of view:P you come to the conclusion that it's almost impossible to murder Aizen, or that the whole murder is fake :S :blink
-In the first place because he is a captain, and they aren't easily killed even if taken by surprise.
-Nobody (seems to have) noticed anything, no increase of a reiatsu, screams or sounds or whatsoever. He just hang there the next morning.
-The place where they found him, about three levels high stuck against the wall impaled by a sword, is very strange. You would not think that it is possible to murder someone and at the same time stick him to the wall. He wasn't killed elswhere cause the wall was the only place with blood.
Gin should be possible to stick someone to the wall with his special attack, but then he should replace his sword with another sword cause he still has his own soul slayer. But I don't think that Gin could kill Aizen on his own or even with some other people without getting noticed...
It's obvious though that Gin knows more, he acts to suspicous and his conversations with Aizen weren't really heartwarming. It started with Gin eavesdropping at the conversation of Aizen and Renji, the few words they shared with eachother, and later on the smile from Gin when Hinamori was fighting Hitsugaya. He always talks vague if people accuse him of something and never really answers a qeustion.
It's possible that he has something to do with the letter but I'm not really sure about that. I wonder what part of the story is true and what is false. The part about the execution device might even be true in some way, not sure if Gin has something to do with it.
Well I have my doubts about Aizen being murderd, it just seems impossible to me, and suicide doesn't sound very likely but even better then being murderd. And it might be somekind of fake death in the end, who knows....
ShounenSuki
09-05-2005, 04:39 PM
I really, really doubt Aizen commited suicide. However, I cannot believe he could be killed that easily. There were no signs of a fight, not to mention that nobody noticed anything. He's a captain! Someone had to notice if there was a fight.
Besides, I don't trust Aizen. I have a feeling he's hiding something. I think he faked his own death and that he'll turn out to be a bad guy.
Anyway, that's my opinion. I just saw the episode though, so I don't know what the later episodes revealed ^^
It was obvious Hitsugaya and Gin were playing Shinigami Javelin and Hitsugaya being the genius that he is, launched his an amazing distance and Aizen happend to be doing Shingami Gymnastics at the time was impaled while doing a Triple Backflip. Gin is trying to blackmail Hitsugaya and Hitsugaya isn't so fond of that idea that's where the tension between them comes from. But we all know they're all laughing behind Hinamori's back, well Gin is smiling openly, can't keep from cracking up especially in front of Hinamori.
Anyways maybe it wasn't a fight... I think the most likely event was simply a sneak attack. It may have happend then. Or it may have happend even long before. Then the person impaled Aizen again to put him on the wall to make it obvious re-opening the wound reason for the still flowing blood. Who knows, maybe there is some place in the Court that was obliterated but people just assumed it was the ryoka's doing and thought nothing of it.
Jakob der Lugner
09-05-2005, 06:10 PM
I'm amazed at how few of the posts here are actually serious....
Anyways, yeah, Aizen's not telling us the entire story, but what I'm more interested in is what's the deal between him and Gin? Gin's obviously scheming something, thing is, who else is in on it?
I refuse to believe Aizen is dead too. There's just too many things that don't stink of murder. Besides, from a writer's standpoint, his character just seemed too major to be killed off relatively soon after his introduction. AIzen isn't THAT shallow, otherwise he wouldn't be getting as much attention as he does.
ShounenSuki
09-05-2005, 06:38 PM
I'm amazed at how few of the posts here are actually serious....
Anyways, yeah, Aizen's not telling us the entire story, but what I'm more interested in is what's the deal between him and Gin? Gin's obviously scheming something, thing is, who else is in on it?
I refuse to believe Aizen is dead too. There's just too many things that don't stink of murder. Besides, from a writer's standpoint, his character just seemed too major to be killed off relatively soon after his introduction. AIzen isn't THAT shallow, otherwise he wouldn't be getting as much attention as he does.
I think Aizen and Gin are plotting something together.
There's something suspicious about Rukia's execution...maybe they have something to do with it
Insipidipity
09-05-2005, 06:38 PM
Maybe Grand Fisher somehow got into a gigai and entered Soul Society and somehow killed Aizen with a stolen zanpaktou?
BTW, the 3 things to look for are the means, the motive, and the opportunity.
Realistically, only captains or captain levels had the means, the motive is questionable, but practically everyone but Hinamori had the opportunity.
Well there are other things within Soul Society. Not only the Gotei 13. So there's very well the possiblity of non-Gotei 13 people being "Captain Level." It'd also be a nice set up for the Gotei 13 vs. [Some Other Soul Society Group] with Ichigo and Co. involved in some way. Kind of like a little war thingy.
Boreas
09-05-2005, 08:59 PM
I'm sure that the problem is among the captains.
Aizen was impaled in the highs, not before. See that much blood in the wall and the spatters.
The motive for the high place......well that just don't seems unintencional. And for the matter... wasn't it perfect for the vice captains see? Hinamori included, and then both Gin and Hitsugaya appear, just both of them...curious.
As if Aizen death is perfect to make Gin a suspect and Hitsugaya a hero. Could Gin and Hitsugaya be planning this to take soul society? Hitsugaya discoveres and become more powerful and credible.
Or maybe Aizen is not dead, but in the shadows doing everything to control some captains to take actions... and seeing the outcome. (there is always someone trying to conquer the world).
But then I rise a question, how the hell he survived to that? A fake Aizen.......twin brother?
Definitly whatever happened only Aizen Hitsugaya and Ichimaru know.
Baby Raptor
09-05-2005, 10:20 PM
i just found out about mystery about azien murder sitiuation , i just beginning to read manga since this is no allowed manga , i dont want to be banned by mod... it is very interesting(you are lucky anime only ) i am so happy to know about that ,, i give you advice about that murder of Azien ,,,, keep watch anime of Bleach!! it will huge drama in bleach ... oh man i need to chill out of myself !!
@ raptor-- I thank you for following the rules and not spoiling anything from the manga, very kind of you :amuse
crono220
09-06-2005, 06:18 AM
It will defently be dramatic once the murder is resolved in the anime and show the culprit. (I too am a manga reader) I doubt this is a spoiler.
DevilB0i
09-06-2005, 07:10 AM
Kira killed Azien that why Gin was trying to protect him from Hitsugaya.
Rice Ball
09-06-2005, 07:25 AM
Well Aizens letter points the finger at Hitsugaya.
Then again it was a pretty much a silent killing, you'd expect 2 captains fighting would make quite a ruckus. Are there any assasin classed people in the Soul Society?
Sewell
09-06-2005, 07:32 AM
Just caught episode 147, and here's further thoughts of mine.
1) I think it's pretty obvious Hinamori or Hitsugaya didn't kill Aizen. Otherwise we wouldn't be hearing their thoughts.
2) From Hitsugaya's flashback, we also learned that Gin knew that Aizen was gonna die. Doesn't necessarily implicate him as the killer though. Maybe he's just privy to this knowledge? Maybe there's more than one involved in this conspiracy?
3) Now here's the dilemma. According to the letter, which may not even be true, the killer/conspirator coveted the Soukyoku. But in that case, why did Ichimaru let Ichigo and company live back at the gate. If he really wanted the execution to go through and get his hands on the unsealed Soukyoku, he would've killed those ryoka right there, as he was supposed to do. Instead, he consciously broke the law and let them go free. And as I said before, it's just too obvious to be Ichimaru.
Here's my best theory:
1) It's Yoruichi and Urahara AND Ichimaru behind it all. Yoruichi being the Aizen killer. Reason for Urahara leaving (or being kicked out of?) Soul Society is still unknown so maybe as Aizen stated in his letter, it's all an elaborate plan to be rid of the Thirteen Squads...and Urahara's using Ichigo as his instrument to wield the Soukyoku which would explain why Ichimaru let him live :b.
DevilB0i
09-06-2005, 08:28 AM
looks like their is only manga people here and the anime watcher dont seem to post what a waste of effort!
Oompje
09-06-2005, 08:56 AM
looks like their is only manga people here and the anime watcher dont seem to post what a waste of effort!
The past few serious posts were posts made by non-manga readers. But I don't think that there is anything to discuss now, since we have spoken about everything concerning the murder.
NamaeX
09-07-2005, 03:35 AM
Just like other anime series with plot twists I've watched, I wouldn't be surprised if the person we most suspected wasn't really the murderer at all, and was some sort of set up made by the "victim" himself. Guess we'll have to wait and see if I'm right.
kakashie-sensei
09-07-2005, 04:48 AM
my suspicion goes too Gin, because he is not really the nice guy
and when i saw the reaction of him when Hinamori started to fight against the other Captain (sorry forgot his name again), It kinda looked like a succes smile
Shadar
09-07-2005, 08:42 AM
we are always thinking that the more evident person isn't the one, but maybe this time it really is... at last, we can be sure of one thing, Ichimaru Gin isn't a saint :P
Gin or Mayuri? they are the only wicked persons we've seen
rosinne
09-07-2005, 12:31 PM
i bet it'll be the person we least expect. what kind of story would it be if Gin killed aizen. its too predictable.
My theory. (Last one)
I will show you guys that the murderer of Aizen is Kon, you all know it deep inside...
First of, we all know the Captains were busy with the ryokas.
We also know that Gin would be too obvious.
But there is a secret Captain that we don't know about...
He could be a teddybear but don't underestimate him.
So who could this be? Someone so strong that he kill Aizen in a second, not making the others notice him.
Yes you know it.
Chapter 175 (Flashback to the moment before Aizen died)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Sano101/175Spoiler.jpg
Sesqoo
09-07-2005, 02:52 PM
My theory. (Last one)
I will show you guys that the murderer of Aizen is Kon, you all know it deep inside...
First of, we all know the Captains were busy with the ryokas.
We also know that Gin would be too obvious.
But there is a secret Captain that we don't know about...
He could be a teddybear but don't underestimate him.
So who could this be? Someone so strong that he kill Aizen in a second, not making the others notice him.
Yes you know it.
Chapter 175 (Flashback to the moment before Aizen died)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Sano101/175Spoiler.jpg
OMFG!!11 WTF?? H4X? I WAS RIGHT!!!!! I was right, you were wrong. I rule, you suck:jk:laugh . It was KON:dance
juicejuice
09-07-2005, 08:21 PM
SPOILER, I know who killed Aizen.
It has to be someone who doesn't have a Zanpaktou.
Yamada Hanatarou. Case closed, lock that bitch up and throw the key away. Make sure to seal his Spiritual Power, or he might just murder the rest of the Gotei 13.
But for real, I was gonna say Hitsugaya, but then ep 48 crushed that. Now I'm leaning towards the Medic Lady captain.
yelin
09-08-2005, 08:44 AM
the person who killed aizen is Orihime. lol
Baby Raptor
09-08-2005, 01:24 PM
My theory. (Last one)
I will show you guys that the murderer of Aizen is Kon, you all know it deep inside...
First of, we all know the Captains were busy with the ryokas.
We also know that Gin would be too obvious.
But there is a secret Captain that we don't know about...
He could be a teddybear but don't underestimate him.
So who could this be? Someone so strong that he kill Aizen in a second, not making the others notice him.
Yes you know it.
Chapter 175 (Flashback to the moment before Aizen died)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Sano101/175Spoiler.jpg
LOL i knew Kon is killer !!! but you got my rep!!!
Shinigami-Isshin
09-12-2005, 05:36 PM
everybody knows aizens killer is <<deleted on request>>
Tousenz
09-15-2005, 04:31 AM
Killa Cam killed Aizen.
U :mad ?
Mirri
09-17-2005, 06:44 AM
Aizen cuts himself because Hinamori puts stress on him to love her. He just pressed a little (a lot) too hard so he died.
BloodyAngel
09-19-2005, 01:41 AM
Its pretty obvious to me that its Ichimaru since he hated him the most and what not. But I dunno, Bleach takes a lot of weird corners so I could be wrong....
Mischitary
10-06-2005, 11:01 PM
It's kind of hard to figure it out since they really give you no clues to who the killer is...
Tousenz
10-07-2005, 12:22 AM
It has to be gin if you watched the latest episode. I mean how can he not be it.
DrunkenYoshimaster
10-07-2005, 09:38 AM
^isn't mayuri just as evil though if not worse? I mean he kicked his subordinate in the stomach. Gin was nice enough to break his out of jail. And dont forget Zaraki's bloodthirsty side. He's crazy enough to challenge two captains now. Take off that eye patch and he could easily string one up on a wall with their own sword.
But the most likely candidate is Ganjyu's one armed sister.
Aizen (whistling on a midnight stroll: OMG BOOBIES!
Shiba: Ill show you mine if you let me hold your sword
Aizen: Sure sure! yeah here take it!
*Shiba takes the sword shaking her head since what she really meant was...
Aizen:OMG YOU TOOK IT WITH ONE ARM, you FREEAAK!
*shiba gets mad and shoots fireworks into the sword pinning Aizen up on the wall
I mean really you knows she's damn strong. She is part of the resistance, we havent seen her for a while, and shes worried about her brother so she probably broke in by now. She'll probably start merkin more captains soon. Dont you think Ichigo's gonna need all the help he can get if hes going to face so many?
Too bad Urahara cant come out. Or can he?.....
teruzu
10-08-2005, 03:35 AM
Everybodies got their own funny theory. Here goes, its the TV star ghostbuster! Muahahahahahahahaha....
I felt its aizen's plot. Its just too early for a captain to die so early w/o use seeing what sort of power he had. If im a writer, i wud def show the viewers every of my characters special move n so on. I woudnt simply let any key character die so early.
Tousenz
10-08-2005, 12:38 PM
If im a writer, i wud def show the viewers every of my characters special move n so on. I woudnt simply let any key character die so early.
He showed his power in that flashback against the hollows remember?"
teruzu
10-08-2005, 12:51 PM
He showed his power in that flashback against the hollows remember?"
Yes yes :)
Keke, pardon me. Im actualy refering to each captains shikai n bankai.
Not their SS devil spells..keke..
As we can see till epd 51, theres some changes in reji outfit after releasing bankai, so i belif the writer woudnt let aizen "die" w/o us viewers seeing his shikai n bankai...Well, i may be wrong again, correct me if i am :)
Tousenz
10-08-2005, 12:58 PM
As we can see till epd 51, theres some changes in reji outfit after releasing bankai, so i belif the writer woudnt let aizen "die" w/o us viewers seeing his shikai n bankai...Well, i may be wrong again, correct me if i am
Kaien was VC and he died before we saw his shikai.
kumagoro_usagi
10-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Yeah maybe Ichimaru did it.
Tousenz
10-08-2005, 03:21 PM
Yeah maybe Ichimaru did it.
Yup I have no doubt in my mind after the latest episode.
Techchu
10-08-2005, 05:21 PM
Naw there trying to make you think its ichimaru but there gona totally twist on our asses I just know it. They will prolly do somthing crazy like Icchigo killed captain Aizen! =D....D=
Lightningdwd
10-09-2005, 07:55 AM
kon killed aizen... I'm spoiled now :(
cinosweiv
10-09-2005, 08:26 AM
Who spoiled you guys that Kon is the killer?
We should ban him/her.
That's no fun anymore that you know Kon is the one.
i would say it was 1 of the lackys and was tired of aizen.
Yamato
10-09-2005, 09:44 AM
Well for sure it was someone who Aizen have known very well. Why? A captain was killed so fast that no one have noticed this. So there was no fight, because when a captain is fighting look what powerful reiatsu is relased, and everyone in the several square km is like WTF. It's imposible not to feal this. And, like I have said, no one noticed that Aizen was killed.
mexiun
10-09-2005, 02:07 PM
He knew he was hunted by "someone".
So maybe he didnt really care if he died or not,maybe the opponent was already to strong for him to beat so he was like "ah well...it ends here...".
But who gave the letter to that girl (forgot the name) again?someone had the letter...maybe it was that person who found the letter?:S
Splyte
10-09-2005, 02:39 PM
i agree with techchu it just seems to obvious that gin did so i think there will be some kind of twist
Axass
10-10-2005, 01:06 AM
He knew he was hunted by "someone".
So maybe he didnt really care if he died or not,maybe the opponent was already to strong for him to beat so he was like "ah well...it ends here...".
But who gave the letter to that girl (forgot the name) again?someone had the letter...maybe it was that person who found the letter?:S
It was Matsumoto who gave Hinamori the letter.
Well looking at Byakuya's bankai. Well... it'd be perfect for pinning someone on a wall. And he'd probably be able to leave 1 of the many swords summoned by it pinned on the wall.
Though, his reiatsu would most likely be sensed...
This episode I found out the killer.
If you are really really smart and think very far you will understand it.
(I am no manga reader)
Pwnz?? :) man im smart.
No, I wont post my theory and spoil ya all.
Sesqoo
10-11-2005, 10:19 AM
This episode I found out the killer.
If you are really really smart and think very far you will understand it.
(I am no manga reader)
Pwnz?? :) man im smart.
No, I wont post my theory and spoil ya all.
Man how can you be so sure your right?:huh
Tousenz
10-11-2005, 05:22 PM
i agree with techchu it just seems to obvious that gin did so i think there will be some kind of twist
Why cant that be the twist?
Its so obvious that it's gin no one suspects him.... Then we find out he did it.
O-Yone Lisu
10-11-2005, 06:15 PM
I still think Aizen killed himself, personally.
Marsala
10-11-2005, 06:43 PM
The answer is so obvious, it's not even hidden. It was Hitsugaya. He was jealous of Aizen's... relationship with Hinamori and murdered him, trying to frame Gin as a cover-up. Unfortunately for Hitsugaya, Aizen left behind that note. Don't trust little kids; they're all evil.
Tousenz
10-11-2005, 07:36 PM
Aizen left behind that note. Don't trust little kids; they're all evil.
I thought Gin wrote that note... what I get for watching the raws <.<
Axass
10-11-2005, 07:59 PM
This episode I found out the killer.
If you are really really smart and think very far you will understand it.
(I am no manga reader)
Pwnz?? :) man im smart.
No, I wont post my theory and spoil ya all.
If you're so sure, post it. If you're really right, I wanna see the reasoning behind your choice.
I thought Gin wrote that note... what I get for watching the raws <.<
Hinamori says that it's Aizen handwriting, Hitsugaya says that Gin wrote it or manipulated Aizen in writing it. It's not certain who really did it.
And it's very likely that someone else (Gin) could have easily forged Aizen's handwriting into that letter to frame Hitsugaya. Or it could all be Hitsugaya, or a completely other character. All in the mixer right now, only time will tell >___>.
Tousenz
10-11-2005, 08:07 PM
And it's very likely that someone else (Gin) could have easily forged Aizen's handwriting into that letter to frame Hitsugaya. Or it could all be Hitsugaya, or a completely other character. All in the mixer right now, only time will tell >___>.
Dont all great animes make it someone they showed, makes perfect sense, but they never actually had them long enough to accuse them.
I think its that old guy. He seems so ruthless.
cinosweiv
10-12-2005, 03:43 AM
This episode I found out the killer.
If you are really really smart and think very far you will understand it.
(I am no manga reader)
Pwnz?? :) man im smart.
No, I wont post my theory and spoil ya all.
Why are you so confident?
I really want to read your answer.
Anyway, as long as none Manga readers says you're right or wrong, nobody will know whether what you guess is true or not.
Oks its like this,
Like we know, Captains are very very strong.
Every fight captains have it goes on like forever.
So thinking that Aizen got killed in a second or so is redicilous, I don't think ANY captain has the power to kill another one with one swing or so. We know that people find out if their spiritual pressure is dying or not (we saw on ep 52-53 that even Rukia knew if Renji was dead or not) We also know that Rukia isnt that strong and even she knew and felt Renji's spiritual pressure.
So if Aizen died or had a fight the other captains or vice captains should definitly know this. What I'm trying to say, no way he would die that easy and without people knowing it.
I think that he made a clone of himself, maybe a faux body or however you spell it (the body Rukia had in earth). I also saw Byakuya using those death god magic? or whatever they are called. Maybe Aizen used one of those magic skills to make a clone.
This is what I think and I'm 100% sure that he isn't dead, we even saw that he was a captain while Gin was his vice-captain meaning Aizen was stronger and captain longer than him.
TenshiOni
10-12-2005, 05:30 PM
Oks its like this,
Like we know, Captains is very very strong.
Every fight captains have it goes on like forever.
So thinking that Aizen got killed in a second or so is redicilous, I don't think ANY captain has the power to kill another one with one swing or so. We know that people find out if their spiritual pressure is dying or not (we saw on ep 52-53 that even Rukia knew if Renji was dead or not) We also know that Rukia isnt that strong and even she knew and felt Renji's spiritual pressure.
So if Aizen died or had a fight the other captains or vice captains should definitly know this. What I'm trying to say, no way he would die that easy and without people knowing it.
I think that he made a clone of himself, maybe a faux body or however you spell it (the body Rukia had in earth). I also saw Byakuya using those death god magic? or whatever they are called. Maybe Aizen used one of those magic skills to make a clone.
This is what I think and I'm 100% sure that he isn't dead, we even saw that he was a captain while Gin was his vice-captain meaning Aizen was stronger and captain longer than him.
That's an original idea.
However, there's something wrong with your theory:
Unohana, Captain of the 4th Division which specializes in healing and examining dead bodies, already explained that it's impossible for it to have been a faux body.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8325/bleach38ichigovskenpachipart20.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bleach38ichigovskenpachipart20.jpg)
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2034/bleach38ichigovskenpachipart21.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bleach38ichigovskenpachipart21.jpg)
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gumzz
10-12-2005, 05:46 PM
if manga spoilers = ban
wouldnt that mean if someone got the killer right theyd get banned :O?
TenshiOni
10-12-2005, 05:47 PM
If someone got the killer right, of course no one would tell them or send them congratulatory rep.
...at least, they better not. :notrust
Nihonjin
10-12-2005, 06:17 PM
If someone got the killer right, of course no one would tell them or send them congratulatory rep.
...at least, they better not. :notrust
Sadly enough this happed to me once...
It wasn't even a congratulatory rep, it was a neg rep saying "no spoilers" lmao, I still hate who ever did that for it :burnkk :modsmack
TenshiOni
10-12-2005, 07:15 PM
Yeah, and I still feel like shit for not stopping that sooner, Nihonjin.
Sorry again, man. :(
Axass
10-12-2005, 10:12 PM
Oks its like this,
Like we know, Captains are very very strong.
Every fight captains have it goes on like forever.
So thinking that Aizen got killed in a second or so is redicilous, I don't think ANY captain has the power to kill another one with one swing or so. We know that people find out if their spiritual pressure is dying or not (we saw on ep 52-53 that even Rukia knew if Renji was dead or not) We also know that Rukia isnt that strong and even she knew and felt Renji's spiritual pressure.
So if Aizen died or had a fight the other captains or vice captains should definitly know this. What I'm trying to say, no way he would die that easy and without people knowing it.
I think that he made a clone of himself, maybe a faux body or however you spell it (the body Rukia had in earth). I also saw Byakuya using those death god magic? or whatever they are called. Maybe Aizen used one of those magic skills to make a clone.
This is what I think and I'm 100% sure that he isn't dead, we even saw that he was a captain while Gin was his vice-captain meaning Aizen was stronger and captain longer than him.
Well a very nice theory, he could've faked his death to better investigate the guy who wants to destroy SS. However as TO said, the whole faux body/clone thing can't work, Unohana was certain that it was his real body, so poor Aizen is definitely dead. =/
if manga spoilers = ban
wouldnt that mean if someone got the killer right theyd get banned :O?
Nope. Though if someone comes in and says "OMG your theory is right!", then that guy would be banned. Besides I wrote this in the first post: This thread currently contains no spoilers, however some of the theories here may be correct, completely or just in part. If you wanna enjoy Bleach at its fullest, you may consider to not read this thread.
So if you enter, it's at your own risk.
soulslayer_urahara
10-12-2005, 10:52 PM
ichimaru wuld be my number 1 suspect... but then theres byauku
cinosweiv
10-12-2005, 11:54 PM
Oks its like this,
Like we know, Captains are very very strong.
Every fight captains have it goes on like forever.
So thinking that Aizen got killed in a second or so is redicilous, I don't think ANY captain has the power to kill another one with one swing or so. We know that people find out if their spiritual pressure is dying or not (we saw on ep 52-53 that even Rukia knew if Renji was dead or not) We also know that Rukia isnt that strong and even she knew and felt Renji's spiritual pressure.
So if Aizen died or had a fight the other captains or vice captains should definitly know this. What I'm trying to say, no way he would die that easy and without people knowing it.
I think that he made a clone of himself, maybe a faux body or however you spell it (the body Rukia had in earth). I also saw Byakuya using those death god magic? or whatever they are called. Maybe Aizen used one of those magic skills to make a clone.
This is what I think and I'm 100% sure that he isn't dead, we even saw that he was a captain while Gin was his vice-captain meaning Aizen was stronger and captain longer than him.
Nice theory I should say, but your theory has a hole as TenshiOni and Axass has pointed out. Otherwise, a nice theory that you have.
Ok lets say he didnt made faux body, he could have used death god magic like I said before. Isn't that possible? Some type of Bleach Kage Bunshin :P
~ Masamune ~
10-13-2005, 11:14 AM
Hmmmm i think Aizen faked his own death and is actually very powerfull.Gin is probably Aizen's partner&student? ....yep
Sawako
10-13-2005, 11:19 AM
Why would Aizen fake his own death though?
Hmmmm i think Aizen faked his own death and is actually very powerfull.Gin is probably Aizen's partner&student? ....yep
So true! Just like they did it on Naruto. We all thought Kabuto was a good guy, and BAM he was a villian. They use to do this alot on animes, thats why I suspect the guys that seem to be too good to be evil. I even suspected Zangetsu to be a villian from the beginning (don't laugh :tem )
One thing is 100% Gin is evil. So maybe they worked together and just tricked all the other captains so they could destroy SS with that big sword or whatever he wrote in that scroll he gave to his vice-captain.
But there is 1 thing that seems to be wrong... If Aizen was a villian, why would he write all that information about what he is going to do to his vice? Wouldn't that be too stupid to spoil himself? other than that theory looks very good.
Sesqoo
10-13-2005, 11:29 AM
So true! Just like they did it on Naruto. We all thought Kabuto was a good guy, and BAM he was a villian. They use to do this alot on animes, thats why I suspect the guys that seem to be too good to be evil. I even suspected Zangetsu to be a villian from the beginning (don't laugh :tem )
One thing is 100% Gin is evil. So maybe they worked together and just tricked all the other captains so they could destroy SS with that big sword or whatever he wrote in that scroll he gave to his vice-captain.
But there is 1 thing that seems to be wrong... If Aizen was a villian, why would he write all that information about what he is going to do to his vice? Wouldn't that be too stupid to spoil himself? other than that theory looks very good.
This could be very possible:cool
~ Masamune ~
10-13-2005, 11:34 AM
So true! Just like they did it on Naruto. We all thought Kabuto was a good guy, and BAM he was a villian. They use to do this alot on animes, thats why I suspect the guys that seem to be too good to be evil. I even suspected Zangetsu to be a villian from the beginning (don't laugh :tem )
One thing is 100% Gin is evil. So maybe they worked together and just tricked all the other captains so they could destroy SS with that big sword or whatever he wrote in that scroll he gave to his vice-captain.
But there is 1 thing that seems to be wrong... If Aizen was a villian, why would he write all that information about what he is going to do to his vice? Wouldn't that be too stupid to spoil himself? other than that theory looks very good.
Naaah i don't think he's after that thing. But WHY he wrote it?? Hmmmm maybe to manipulate people or it doesn't mean much (he had to make his own death to appeal REAL,with all the emotions =his vice really likes him..so maybe he uses that to control her emotions and actions). But if you think about it,if he's not afther the big sword..what then???WHY would he want to kill rukia? If not for the sword,i cant think of something else
Kaylus
10-13-2005, 11:49 AM
Very big possiblity Gin and Aizen could be in it, and even Unohana. To cover up for them to some degree. Well at least Aizen. I dont see how Gin could turn on Aizen as we see in the flash backs he was Lieutenant. Then again there is Renji and Byakuya so that hinders that possiblity. Plus you cant forget what Hitsugaya said. Saying to Hinamori. "Having you fight in a place like this after he dies. Do you think Aizen would actually say that? The Aizen I knew, wasn't a fool who would go alone for a fight he couldn't win or a coward who'd get his followers to clean up his mess!" I just dont see any clear reasoning why Aizen would go to such trouble. Gin on the other hand might have had his trust outside of the comment "Don't underestimate me." thing, so I just dont know. Lots of unanswered questions.
Course it couldn't be Hitsugaya. . .he's just way to kool for that ^_^. There is also Mayuri or Shunsui as well. Shunsui could be the good guy gone bad, and Mayuri is just plan crazy @_@. So I guess there is only one positive answer we can go with. . . . .
It was the team of Kon, Mister Don Kan'onji and there leader Isshin Kurosaki! >_< That's my final verdict. :D
Insipidipity
10-13-2005, 01:49 PM
That's an original idea.
However, there's something wrong with your theory:
Unohana, Captain of the 4th Division which specializes in healing and examining dead bodies, already explained that it's impossible for it to have been a faux body.
Thats not original! I thought it up too earlier in this thread, except my theory was that Unohana and Aizen were in cahoots. You know, the mama-papa theory.
Who is Unohana? don't you mean urahara?
Kasuke Sadiki
10-13-2005, 08:21 PM
Unohana is the 4th Division Captain. You know, the chick with her hair in a braid in the front.
Unohana is the 4th Division Captain. You know, the chick with her hair in a braid in the front.
Oh.. Maybe she is evil too and helps Aizen??
Oompje
10-14-2005, 09:21 PM
Well it seems she (unohana)has a key role in the "Aizen is still alive and happy" theory, but we know very little about her, the last thing we saw about her is that she probably saved Renji. Maybe that has something to do with it to ??
Tsukiyomi
10-14-2005, 10:52 PM
Ok lets say he didnt made faux body, he could have used death god magic like I said before. Isn't that possible? Some type of Bleach Kage Bunshin :P
Unohana is the medical captain, she would know more about their bodies than anyone (except possibly Urahara, but thats beside the point), so its not very likely she could be fooled by shinigami magic.
~ Masamune ~
10-15-2005, 01:15 PM
Unohana is the medical captain, she would know more about their bodies than anyone (except possibly Urahara, but thats beside the point), so its not very likely she could be fooled by shinigami magic.
Hmmm,it made me thinking. Maybe Aizen did a shinigami jutsu to LEAVE his body and take another one?? Quite possible,but it's tooooo obvious he isn't dead,it's cliché:tem
Tsukiyomi
10-15-2005, 01:55 PM
Hmmm,it made me thinking. Maybe Aizen did a shinigami jutsu to LEAVE his body and take another one?? Quite possible,but it's tooooo obvious he isn't dead,it's cliché:tem
Whats cliche? His death or a faked death?
You have to remember that these aren't bodies, they're souls. He wouldn't be able to possess another body, look at what happeend with Kaien, the hollow fused with him because they were both souls. If Aizen fused with another body that person would have been able to fight back, it would be impossible for others not to notice.
mandron
10-15-2005, 04:18 PM
I don't know if someone already posted this, but what about that one guy with his bankai ability to take out all the senses except for touch? Perhaps Aizen was 'evil' and the 'justice man dude' wanted to kill him? If he used his bankai i'm pretty sure no one would notice... Feedback?
Tsukiyomi
10-15-2005, 04:25 PM
I don't know if someone already posted this, but what about that one guy with his bankai ability to take out all the senses except for touch? Perhaps Aizen was 'evil' and the 'justice man dude' wanted to kill him? If he used his bankai i'm pretty sure no one would notice... Feedback?
Interesting theory, it depends if Reiatsu is able to felt by people outside of the dome who aren't effected by it.
That dome probably would contain the effects of their battle so even if Aizen went all out and made a lot of noise it wouldn't be heard.
Given the way he died though, he didn't look scuffed up at all (aside from the gaping hole in his torso) so whoever killed him must have done it switfly before he had time to react.
mandron
10-15-2005, 04:49 PM
Just thought of another theory: In the latest episode the 'justice dude' was explaining the three ways of becoming a captain, and the one that caught my attention was "kill the current captain." So... Could it be another person such as a vice captain that wanted to kill him to become captain? Perhaps he/she didn't know it had to be in front of 200 people? o.O My first suspect has to be... Well I don't know the name of the guy but the pretty boy who got a bomb to the face by Ganju... He looked pretty creepy at the end of that last episode. Edit: 1 (- in chinese numbers) is probably a 'pretty' number. xD
Tsukiyomi
10-15-2005, 05:38 PM
Just thought of another theory: In the latest episode the 'justice dude' was explaining the three ways of becoming a captain, and the one that caught my attention was "kill the current captain." So... Could it be another person such as a vice captain that wanted to kill him to become captain? Perhaps he/she didn't know it had to be in front of 200 people? o.O My first suspect has to be... Well I don't know the name of the guy but the pretty boy who got a bomb to the face by Ganju... He looked pretty creepy at the end of that last episode. Edit: 1 (- in chinese numbers) is probably a 'pretty' number. xD
Well then they would have had to come forward to claim the title of 5th division captain.
mandron
10-15-2005, 05:59 PM
Oh yes, that's true... o.O;; Maybe *secretly* some of the captains are evil and Aizen isn't so they killed him :o
Oompje
10-15-2005, 07:29 PM
Just thought of another theory: In the latest episode the 'justice dude' was explaining the three ways of becoming a captain, and the one that caught my attention was "kill the current captain." So... Could it be another person such as a vice captain that wanted to kill him to become captain? Perhaps he/she didn't know it had to be in front of 200 people? o.O My first suspect has to be... Well I don't know the name of the guy but the pretty boy who got a bomb to the face by Ganju... He looked pretty creepy at the end of that last episode. Edit: 1 (- in chinese numbers) is probably a 'pretty' number. xD
hehe seems a bit stupid if someone thinks he can kill a captain in a sneaky way thinking that he will become captain after that, anyway I think we need more clues to for finding the killer of aizen...
~ Masamune ~
10-15-2005, 09:00 PM
Why was Aizen dead?=???????????????????????
Why has Aizen faked his own death?= ????????????????????,
What's the deal with Aizen's vice?=check "background story"
Has Aizen something to gain from rukia's execution?????= To use the big sword=FAKE!!!!! The real reason is probably some hidden power from rukia or something since she's "special".
Is Aizen evil?= Yes he is,in every anime/manga there's this Fallen Angel,if you use this,you'll def get some good points on the show.
Is Aizen's vice,Hinamori evil?=no,if she turns out to be bad it will make the whole "Aizen cool fallen angel" seem stupid,so she's DEF used by Aizen!!
Why is Hinamori being used?= To make Hitsugaya the suspect of all evil,to give aizen some time to accomplish his "task"(dunno what)
Is Gin in the conspiracy?= YES,since Gin was the apprentice of Aizen. They definately are partners or a student teacher relationship.
What has Gin to gain by joining Aizen in his evil quest?= See "is Gin in the conspiracy"
Is Gin's vice involved?= Probably,maybe he introduced the idea to manipulate Hinamori.
Is Byakuya involved?= Dunno,he seems like a coldblooded guy..it's possible.
What's the deal with Ichigo and Kon? Ichigo is gay and Kon likes a piece of ass,my man:)
Thank you
mandron
10-15-2005, 09:19 PM
That seems like a possible theory, but then it doesn't exactly explain who killed him o.O
~ Masamune ~
10-15-2005, 09:55 PM
That seems like a possible theory, but then it doesn't exactly explain who killed him o.O
Faked own death,there's no killer...
omni1337
10-16-2005, 01:28 AM
I think it was Hitsugaya, because he is the only one who has confronted Gin so far and he was the only one to know what the plans for '' whatever'' Aizen was doing, and I think Aizen is still alive but he chose to have ichimaru be the center of attention for a while so that noone suspects Aizen is still alive.
Or Hitsugaya knows too much about ichimaru and Aizens so called plan and killed him, note he can kill him too big dragon dude can strike people too..
serger989
10-16-2005, 01:57 AM
Excellent quick thinking reasoning Masamunenissay O_O I can tell that you really thought out your points and it doesn't necessarily come off as that far-fetched. I really like how you approached each of the points. Also if you think of Aizen as being the bad guy for a second, perhaps having him fake his own death was the best way for his "goal" whatever that is. But then there is the problem that he was pretty much a great guy, but the whole "fallen angel" thing is a pretty cool concept, well only time will tell and you guys will find out soon enough :smile-big
teruzu
10-16-2005, 02:48 PM
Did Gin, hitsu, mayuri or any other cap is having any plot behind aizens death? But for one thing im pretty sure, its something to do with the blade to execute rukia...
Or the other guess is, aizen might have team up with others and fake his death? How does he fake his death..erm...shd be someone he trust? Hinamori? But why shes so shocked when aizens death? To put up a gd show? Cos hitsu is so sharp ...hmm
Ha-ri
10-17-2005, 01:19 AM
Maybe Aizen knew of some secret of some of the captains and he tryed to fight them but was overpowered?
chakra25
10-17-2005, 01:16 PM
I only watched up to episode 40 so far.
But I doubt that Byakuya would kill Aizen. Based upon his character development, Byakuya follows the laws of Bleach Society word for word. He lives his life by the code and strictly enforces the code. There's no way he would commit a crime just because someone disagrees with him.
Ichimaru Gin does seem suspiscious. But it may be used as a plot device to throw the audience off the real suspect. As of now, a saw Gin is up to no good.
I think Gin purposely allow Ichigo and others to escape because he knows what Ichigo is capable of. He wants to use Ichigo as a distraction for his big mastermind plot. Seems like a good plan because Ichigo caused the whole Shinagami ranks to go in chaos. Aizen probably strumbled on Gin's evil intentions, so Aizen was marked for death.
mandron
10-17-2005, 07:32 PM
Hmmmm what if it was Yoruichi? I really didn't have a reason why when I thought about it at first, but here goes some quick thinking :) 1. Aizen had devised a plan to kill off all the ryoka. 2. Maybe she found out that Aizen was secretly super powerfuller (not even a word but i don't care) than all the other captains so she had to get rid of him. 3. She had had a feud with him for a while? 4. He found out where Ichigo was at so she had to kill him. 5. I don't know why, but I have a feeling that he's tied to Ganju's brother (the one that Rukia kills)? Otherwise there was no significance in wasting an episode telling us a worthless story... Feedback?
darkspark
10-19-2005, 12:15 AM
some of these theories are bugging me (i'm referring to earlier ones, really)
for one: gin is not the only one who could have pinned him up there with his sword. yes, it is an option, but there are others.
ie/ hitsugaya - could form an ice bridge up there.
frick, byakuya (kuchiki) could have walked up there on flower petals (oooh, long time)
and who knows what the other captains' shikais/bankais could do? one could pull a bird out and fly up there. one could hypnotize someone so that they didn't yell out. or hinamori could have poisoned him, making his reactions slower, or he could have been killed in an instant (i'm thinking slit throat, but...) but that runs into problems with the fact that he's a captain, granted...
just thought i'd add ^_^
yelin
10-19-2005, 01:21 AM
MANGA SPOLIER PLZ DON"T BAN ME:
aizens killer is ....... Orihime.
GSurge
10-19-2005, 01:23 AM
Ban him!!!
crabman
10-19-2005, 01:24 AM
MANGA SPOLIER PLZ DON"T BAN ME:
aizens killer is ....... Orihime.
HOW COULD YOU !!!! NOBODY LIKES YOU!!!!!! YOU MANGA SPOILER PERSON!!!! NO WONDER YOU GOT NEG REPPED!!!!
(i read the manga too)
chakra25
10-19-2005, 05:06 PM
How could I have over-looked Orihime... come to think of it who would've known she had all that power lurking inside her.
Byakuya isn't the only one with the "flash". Orihime flashed Aizen to death... if you look closely, he was bleeding from the nose. :laugh
Tenrow
10-19-2005, 10:49 PM
LMAO you guys wish the killer was Orihime...
Oh crap... does that count as a spoiler?
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