Kallen is a liability [Archive]

RAGING BONER

05-03-2008, 05:21 PM

now that she knows about Lelouch and the geass...not only has she gotten it into her head that she's part of the "in" group of Lelouch and CC, thinking she needs to be privy to more info than she is, but she will now think of herself as more than a tool.

You think this chick isn't gonna bitch and moan every time Zero wipes out a small village, an orphanage or an endangered species in order to further their cause? bah, i see this sentimental estrogenic explosion coming a mile away.

Frankly, i'm not sure her skills as a so called "ace" are gonna be worth the constant moralizing and nagging we will get from her this season.

She should never have found out about Lelouch or Geass, at least not until the end when everyone else does.

oh yeah, and the mind wipe shit was a copout, i fucking hate reset buttons.

Goodfellow

05-03-2008, 05:34 PM

Hey, she beat Suzaku in one on one once. Thanks to that, I forgive her for everything:love

FreeFocus

05-03-2008, 05:39 PM

Well if Zero started murdering innocent people all the time then I wouldn't support him, because the Black Knights would really be terrorists then (the true definition of terrorism is the use of force, or threat of it, against civilians to further a social, political, or economic goal), not freedom fighters who have a propaganda term used to discredit them.

So, yes, Kallen rocks, and will continue to. :nod

Souten Kishun

05-03-2008, 05:49 PM

If Lelouch tries to kill her and she escapes she should join the Knights of Round aka The Suzaku Squadron for Achieving Complete Revenge on Zero.

They'd make such a great pair :love

xpto

05-03-2008, 05:54 PM

Quite frankly, i couldn't care less about Kallen. She's just there for the fanservice. Try to develop her with her brother or something.

Souten Kishun

05-03-2008, 06:32 PM

Quite frankly, i couldn't care less about Kallen. She's just there for the fanservice. Try to develop her with her brother or something.

I'm with you on the development. If they had some sort of flashback with her, her bro, and Ohgi (possibly similar to the pic in the ED of season one) it'd be a sight for sore eyes. I want to learn more about Kallen almost as much as I want to learn more about C.C.. See what kind of past has led to her being the way she is now.

Outlandish

05-03-2008, 06:33 PM

she gonna die i bet :)

Zarigani

05-03-2008, 06:38 PM

Dude, she is Zeros top soldier and vital to keeping the Order together. Go hump a sheep or something.

xpto

05-03-2008, 07:52 PM

I wouldn't say top, i'm pretty sure Toudoh is up there with here or perhaps even better.

Fleecy

05-03-2008, 07:59 PM

Quite frankly, i couldn't care less about Kallen. She's just there for the fanservice. Try to develop her with her brother or something.

Agreed. She's useful to Zero, and it's almost guaranteed that she'll live, but meh. I'm personally not interested in her past at all; unlike C.C.'s, she's an open book with no intriguing history to note. You can just tell what happened to her, what with her meek cries of "Brother... Brother... :cry" Her brother died, that much is known, and everything beyond that would come as no surprise. She is no more special than any other person in the show who has lost someone dear.

Nae'blis

05-03-2008, 08:38 PM

She might be because of her emotional instability. At the moment she isn't though.

IchiTenshou

05-03-2008, 09:17 PM

must talk great about my Kallen here ^^

Souten Kishun

05-03-2008, 09:18 PM

Agreed. She's useful to Zero, and it's almost guaranteed that she'll live, but meh. I'm personally not interested in her past at all; unlike C.C.'s, she's an open book with no intriguing history to note. You can just tell what happened to her, what with her meek cries of "Brother... Brother... :cry" Her brother died, that much is known, and everything beyond that would come as no surprise. She is no more special than any other person in the show who has lost someone dear.

Yeah, but don't you want to know a little about her brother? I do. I dunno, I always like back story with any semi-main character. I guess we got her mother bit and that was kind of interesting, though a bit disgusting at the same time. I'd like to see a more positive side of her past. Plus Ohgi as a kid would rock.

There's a lot more stuff they need to do this season though, so it's just a minor wish of mine. Who knows... you might even like her too if they showed her in a different light.

Sunuvmann

05-03-2008, 09:55 PM

It will be worth it during the threesomes.

~Shin~

05-03-2008, 10:01 PM

To be honest, Kallen's character has been ditched since the start of this season. She's basically Zero's little bitch and comes on screen for the occasional fanservice shots. She doesn't even have a damn character anymore. And her running away when Suzaku was about to shoot Lelouch was quite possibly one of the most stupidest moments I've seen in any anime.

It's pretty disappointing.

Sasuke X

05-03-2008, 10:03 PM

I don't like how she cowardly abandoned Lelouch (wonderful writing), then decided to do a 360 later...AFTER the Black Knights were crushed and Lelouch had his memories erased. I'm going to start to dislike her if she starts being whiny after already showing herself to be a cowardly idiot in the first few episodes.

She was a likeable character in S1; the fan service wasn't as excessive as it has been in S2 so far and her character was interesting due to her living two lives. Her likeability will soon change if all she's there for is to get her boobs out and whine in S2.

DarkLordOfKichiku

05-03-2008, 10:22 PM

I don't like how she cowardly abandoned Lelouch (wonderful writing), then decided to do a 360 later...AFTER the Black Knights were crushed and Lelouch had his memories erased.

I wouldn't quite say that it was cowardly - she WAS rather shocked to find out who Zero was - she didn't expect that he would be Lelouch, who in her opinion was not a very... Admirable man, if you say so (remember their conversation in the park when Lelouch's comments caused her to slap him saying 'I thought you were a better mant han that'?). Plus Suzaku's talk about him using the japanese and Lelouch not denying it probably caused a great deal of confusion/disorder within her as well.

Besides, I dunno if she could've done much at that point - Suzaku had Lelouch cornered and a gun pointed at her (and we know that as a fighter, Suzaku is better than her) - had she not run away, she might well have been dead and then what?

But she came back, which is the important thing - and Lelouch hasn't been shown minding her running away, neither at that time nor after...

Severnaruto

05-03-2008, 11:09 PM

Lelouch hasn't been shown minding her running away, neither at that time nor after...

I suppose it's because she did work with C.C. to bring about his revival, but still, I'd have preferred it if he just bitch-slapped her instead.

I think it would have been far more interesting if she started buying into Suzaku's philosophy of working from the inside.

PradaBrada

05-03-2008, 11:11 PM

It will be worth it during the threesomes.

QFT .

Rurushu

05-03-2008, 11:25 PM

Kallen exists for the fan services,and I'm loving every bit of it.

DarkLordOfKichiku

05-03-2008, 11:26 PM

I suppose it's because she did work with C.C. to bring about his revival, but still, I'd have preferred it if he just bitch-slapped her instead.

:sweat

I think it would have been far more interesting if she started buying into Suzaku's philosophy of working from the inside.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. Might as well have everyone and their grandmothers buying into his philosophy then :notrust .

Nae'blis

05-03-2008, 11:56 PM

It will be worth it during the threesomes.

xD. She might not be willing, judging from her attitude towards Shitsu.

Fleecy

05-03-2008, 11:56 PM

Yeah, but don't you want to know a little about her brother? I do. I dunno, I always like back story with any semi-main character. I guess we got her mother bit and that was kind of interesting, though a bit disgusting at the same time. I'd like to see a more positive side of her past. Plus Ohgi as a kid would rock.

There's a lot more stuff they need to do this season though, so it's just a minor wish of mine. Who knows... you might even like her too if they showed her in a different light.

Her history about the brother thing is very cliche, and I've seen it in many other series. Her mother bit was interesting, but that's exactly one of the reasons that makes me dislike Kallen. How dare she treat her mother like that when she doesn't know how much she loves her? Bitch.

Maybe she can redeem herself in my eyes, and maybe she won't. It's just the same as how adamantly people will hate Suzaku; I feel the same about Kallen.

Souten Kishun

05-04-2008, 02:35 AM

Riiiiiiiiiiight. Might as well have everyone and their grandmothers buying into his philosophy then :notrust .

It would sure cause a lot less pain and suffering. If he had all of the rebellion (and all their followers) working with him then he'd have a lot more options for changing Britannia from the inside, in the peaceful way.

Yeah, a lot of other problems could arise, but there's no way to know that it would work any worse (or better) than the rebellion. It's just a much better way to start imo, instead of declaring a rebellion of ~100 people that aims to take down Britannia by force.

...and yeah, I hope I didn't just initiate another Lelouch vs Suzaku battle royale. That's definitely not what this topic is about :sag

Her history about the brother thing is very cliche, and I've seen it in many other series. Her mother bit was interesting, but that's exactly one of the reasons that makes me dislike Kallen. How dare she treat her mother like that when she doesn't know how much she loves her? Bitch.

Maybe she can redeem herself in my eyes, and maybe she won't. It's just the same as how adamantly people will hate Suzaku; I feel the same about Kallen.

Yeah, it is cliche generally, but there is always room for a twist or two that livens it up. Anyway, if you hate Kallen as much as everyone else hates Suzaku then there's no use trying to look on the bright side with you. Though you do seem more open minded than most xD

Auron

05-04-2008, 03:22 AM

It would sure cause a lot less pain and suffering. If he had all of the rebellion (and all their followers) working with him then he'd have a lot more options for changing Britannia from the inside, in the peaceful way.

No that would just make them traitors and dumbasses like Suzaku...how exactly are they gonna change everything when the Emperor is an evil bastard who could care less about change and 99% of his followers share the same viewpoints. But a few Japanese switching over will definetly get the Britannian royalty and citizens to completely change their ways :notrust. Suzaku's plan is the dumbest plan of all time

Rob_Zero

05-04-2008, 03:34 AM

Souten Kishun

05-04-2008, 03:45 AM

No that would just make them traitors and dumbasses like Suzaku...how exactly are they gonna change everything when the Emperor is an evil bastard who could care less about change and 99% of his followers share the same viewpoints. But a few Japanese switching over will definetly get the Britannian royalty and citizens to completely change their ways :notrust. Suzaku's plan is the dumbest plan of all time

Lelouch's was pretty dumb at the outset too. If he hadn't gotten lucky with C.C. and gained some help from rebellious buddies, then his plan would be as big a failure as Suzaku's is atm. Anyway, that's the last I'm saying about that.

Back during season one the series staff made the comment that a lot of development for Kallen that had been planned for season 1 was cut out and inserted into season 2 when plans for a second season has been finalised.

Now that is a good piece of info to hear :)

Mr. Stud Muffin

05-04-2008, 04:40 AM

Back during season one the series staff made the comment that a lot of development for Kallen that had been planned for season 1 was cut out and inserted into season 2 when plans for a second season has been finalised.

Unfortunately, there is something else the staff said before that...

here...let me say it using the template that you unwittingly but conveniently provided...

Back during season one, the series staff made the comment that a lot of love interest for Lelouch that had been planned for season 1 was cut out and inserted into season 2 when plans for a second season has been finalised.

The grammar is horrible...to say the least; after all, I just cut out your part and pasted my part. But you get the gist.

I'm thinking a love triangle out of Lelouch, C.C., and Kallen is in the making.

And I ain't gonna lie...Kallen is NOTHING compared to C.C. (I mean come on, C.C. is immortal as far as we know).

You should be able to tell which fan pairing I support...Lelouch x C.C. FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oka

05-04-2008, 04:49 AM

In S1, its seems there was going to be some character development for Kallen. But it stopped at the mother part and never materialized. I guess it was overtaken but the "moe factor".

I was one "stretching my neck long" in S1 to see it.

disappointed

Souten Kishun

05-04-2008, 05:48 AM

Unfortunately, there is something else the staff said before that...

here...let me say it using the template that you unwittingly but conveniently provided...

Back during season one, the series staff made the comment that a lot of love interest for Lelouch that had been planned for season 1 was cut out and inserted into season 2 when plans for a second season has been finalised.

The grammar is horrible...to say the least; after all, I just cut out your part and pasted my part. But you get the gist.

I'm thinking a love triangle out of Lelouch, C.C., and Kallen is in the making.

And I ain't gonna lie...Kallen is NOTHING compared to C.C. (I mean come on, C.C. is immortal as far as we know).

You should be able to tell which fan pairing I support...Lelouch x C.C. FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's old news, and you seem to have forgotten the Shirley dynamic. Plus it's not really a love triangle unless one of the girls likes the other and Lelouch actually likes someone :sag

Either way, Kallen deserves some better plot treatment be it romantic or story depth.

Going back to what OP said, she's still not a liability though.

1. Britannia already knows Lelouch is Zero so they don't need to capture/torture her to get his identity.

2. She's never complained about Lelouch wiping anyone out in the past and even if she starts to, Lelouch won't be distracted from his plan.

3. Her skills seem to be on par with Todou and crew even though she's less than half their average age. Plus she's more than familiar with the workings of the MK2.

Zarigani

05-04-2008, 06:11 AM

What's with you people?! R2 has just started.

I'll laugh at all of you when Kallen decides to be serious and kill some Empire Knights.

Rukia

05-04-2008, 08:43 AM

Episode 5 makes me agree. If Kallen is going to question every plan and show up at inopportune times...then Lelouch might really have to kill her. Showing up in that mascot costume and pulling him in was unacceptable. And she's starting to talk too much, and wanting to know too much. She immediately questioned Lelouch about the Vincent Pilot...sorry Kallen...you have become a hindrance.

DarkLordOfKichiku

05-04-2008, 10:56 AM

It would sure cause a lot less pain and suffering. If he had all of the rebellion (and all their followers) working with him then he'd have a lot more options for changing Britannia from the inside, in the peaceful way.

Yeah, a lot of other problems could arise, but there's no way to know that it would work any worse (or better) than the rebellion. It's just a much better way to start imo, instead of declaring a rebellion of ~100 people that aims to take down Britannia by force.

Perhaps, though IMHO Suzaku has always been on the overly optimistic side as far as his way of chaning goes (though, heh, the same might well be said for Lulu). But change is something that takes place during a loooong period of time at best, and within a system/cuntry like Brittania, I have my serious doubt about how effective it'd really be. Think about it, we have here a country whose way of ruling could be summed up "One man, One vote" - that man as wella s that single vote being the emperor's, of course. Cornelia was dead right abut that one. Then there's of course the fact that a great deal of Brittania seems to follow the "The rocks rocks, the weak are worthless n00bs" - and to change that way of thinking will be much harder than "simply" becoming the ruler of a certain area. Some have said that Lulu's goals are rather too hard and (Facing a gigantic empire in arms), but to me, the same goes for Suzaku's goals - if not worse, actually, considering what he has got against him (an empire with a rathe rruthless emperor and a policy like that which most seems to heed) - and the ironic thing is that he'd probably not even have gotten to where he is today without Lulu...<_<.

...and yeah, I hope I didn't just initiate another Lelouch vs Suzaku battle royale. That's definitely not what this topic is about :sag

I agree, but if you bring up "Suzaku's Good Points" (sorta), then it'll most likely develop into the whole "Lelouch Vs Suzaku" thingy again.. :apathy

Fleecy

05-04-2008, 01:34 PM

Yeah, it is cliche generally, but there is always room for a twist or two that livens it up. Anyway, if you hate Kallen as much as everyone else hates Suzaku then there's no use trying to look on the bright side with you. Though you do seem more open minded than most xD

I suppose I'm just a black sheep. I happen to love characters people hate and hate characters people love, after all. It's a constant struggle for my life around here; I even bought myself a shield to defend myself from all the shotgun fire from Lelouch and Kallen fans, as well as Suzaku haters (95% of the CG fandom). :awesome

blazingshadow

05-04-2008, 09:42 PM

And I ain't gonna lie...Kallen is NOTHING compared to C.C. (I mean come on, C.C. is immortal as far as we know). yet as far as we know the wish she wants lelouch to grant her is to help her die.

She's never complained about Lelouch wiping anyone out in the past and even if she starts to, Lelouch won't be distracted from his plan.it's not exactly a complaint but she has had her doubts about zero's plans before like when shirley's dad died. i don't mind her doing that but i see zero being held back by her after he made his speech about destroying before creating and whatnot.

well it's not like he doesn't have another outlet for his ruthlessness in rolo and viletta so it all works out fine. the black knights do their fight for justice thing while rolo takes care of the dirty jobs like guts did when he was griffin's "handyman" (berserk)

Jicksy

05-04-2008, 09:47 PM

i think kallen is less a liability now that she knows of zero/lelouch's identity and of the geass' existence. for some reason i see her being able to do more for lelouch rather being an anoyance.

Fleecy

05-04-2008, 09:53 PM

But she keeps yelling and trying to drag Lelouch away for answers, thus drawing attention to him. That's being a liability. I won't be surprised if she idiotically blurts something out about him and blows it for Zero.

blazingshadow

05-04-2008, 10:40 PM

I won't be surprised if she idiotically blurts something out about him and blows it for Zero.it's almost a given that she will do that but CC is even more dangerous.

if only suzaku knew he only needs to hang a pizza to a string to capture CC he would flip

DarkLordOfKichiku

05-04-2008, 10:54 PM

if only suzaku knew he only needs to hang a pizza to a string to capture CC he would flip

.. If I could draw, I'd be drawing an image of Suzaku prepare a mousetrap (or some sort of trap anyway) with some pizza in it as bait and CC lurking around a corner being all :drool by the sight of the pizza (and perhaps Zero/Lelouch trying to restrain her) after reading what you wrotte :laugh :(

blazingshadow

05-04-2008, 11:50 PM

actually i just noticed that kallen (ogi as well though) was the one responsible for lelouch having to capture villetta.

.. If I could draw, I'd be drawing an image of Suzaku prepare a mousetrap (or some sort of trap anyway) with some pizza in it as bait and CC lurking around a corner being all by the sight of the pizza (and perhaps Zero/Lelouch trying to restrain her) after reading what you wrottewell i was actually expecting some kind of fandrawings doing just that ever since season 2 started but i have yet to find it

PradaBrada

05-05-2008, 01:22 AM

NaelokQ

05-05-2008, 01:55 AM

Yeah, same here.
After watching Kallen question Zero, I immediately thought of this thread, and the stunt she then later pulled.
It's like she's asking for it :(

(I don't think I need to spoiler tag Episode 5 stuff now, but will anyway since what I'm quoting was tagged too)

Why would Lelouch kill his star pilot for asking legitimate questions. Did he honestly look bothered to you guys? I think you guys are making a mountain out of nothing... she asked 'hey shouldn't you tell me who this guy is'. Lelouch said no. And then she said 'well, okay, fine'. Hell, when has Zero ever had a close supporter killed like that? The only people he gets rid of are the people he hits with his Geass once. Randomly killing his supporters for nothing isn't what he does.

The premise of this whole thread is silly. Kallen is Zero's sword. He realizes her potential in battle and isn't going to waste that. Kallen might gripe now and again, but Lelouch has her emotionally cornered and I sincerely doubt that there's any way that she's going to turn on him again. Moreover, Kallen is Lelouch's (gasp!) friend. Lelouch isn't some kind of inhuman monster who kills everyone that inconveniences him, no matter who or what they are. Look at how he treats Shirley, Nunnaly and hell even bloody Suzaku (before Suzaku proved himself to be a complete and utter jackass, that is). He isn't going to casually throw Kallen in the trash just because she asks questions.

And honestly, who's going to fight Suzaku, the loli and pretty boy Gino if not Kallen? There's Tohdoh and maybe some of those Black Knight characters that haven't appeared yet, but this is a mecha show you know and right now Kallen is the main pilot on Zero's side. She's not going anywhere.

DarkLordOfKichiku

05-05-2008, 02:08 AM

and the stunt she then later pulled.
It's like she's asking for it :(

You mean her going to Ashford? I can't see why he'd be all that mad at her for it, especially when it did really pay off - had Kallen not come, he'd not have been able to get to know about her relation to Ohgi and so... At most, he'll probably scold her and tell her to not do something so reckless (though CC was by far more reckless here) again...

PradaBrada

05-05-2008, 02:26 AM

You mean her going to Ashford? I can't see why he'd be all that mad at her for it, especially when it did really pay off - had Kallen not come, he'd not have been able to get to know about her relation to Ohgi and so... At most, he'll probably scold her and tell her to not do something so reckless (though CC was by far more reckless here) again...

Kallen just isn't as obedient as she was when he was just Zero

*Back then*
Zero: "Kallen, I need you for a minute"
Kallen: "YES Zero-sama! Anything you say :iria!"

*Now*
CC: "Did you use Geass on him?"
Lelouch: "I didn't even need--
Kallen: "WHY ARE YOU TWO KEEPING SECRETS FROM ME???????????"
Lelouch: "What's wrong with keepin some secr--
Kallen: "IS THIS LELOUCH OR ZERO TALKING???????????"

Without a doubt, she's definitely become more nosy and rebellious since she found out he's Zero.

I'm just sayin', Lulu might have ta choke a bitch :sun

About recklessness, the difference is CC is made of 100% pure undiluted win, while Kallen is just a 95%er :zaru

Sasuke X

05-05-2008, 02:30 AM

My penis now will not allow sexy time explosion when thinking about her - It's like masterbating over a whore when I've seen her from so many angles. With her now seemingly being there for only fan service there's not even any personality to get attracted to... :(

Lelouch will be doing us all a favour if he sends her to the kitchen for trying to get in the way of his manly taking over the universe business.

Rob_Zero

05-05-2008, 02:34 AM

Kallen is a tsundere. Just like Lelouch and C.C. They're all tsunderes. That's why they need to be a threesome.

No seriously, there hasn't been anything on Kallen's character at this point besides some small bits that are of consequence of the cave scene. I don't think it's smart to judge her worth just yet. She's still the rebel who hates to kill but chooses to do so anyway, at least she isn't lying to herself by saying she wants prevent more killing, like a certain hypocritical 7-Eleven.