Lelouch's Identity Question

[Rurushu]

Alright,here's something that was bugging me for the longest time,and I've decided to make a thread to see if anyone knew the answers to this.

Ok,at the end of first Code Geass:Lelouch Of The Rebellion,Kallen and Suzaku witness the true identity of Zero to be Lelouch Vi Britannia. In the second episode of the second season of Code Geass,it was showned that Lelouch/Zero was captured by Suzaku,and showned to the Emperor Charles. Alright,so the emperor uses his Geass on Lelouch to rewrite his memories,and to make him beleive he has a little brother named Rollo.

But,Suzaku,Kallen,and the emperor know who the true indentity of Zero. So what is the purpose of not letting anyone know that Lelouch Lamperouge is really Zero ? Wouldn't it save Britannia,from being triumped over by the Black Knights ? I could understand the reason why Kallen keeps her mouth closed,her loyalty resides to Lelouch,and the Black Knights.

But what about Suzaku and The Emperor,what are they possibly gaining from keeping Lelouch's identity a secret ?

[Zaru]

To catch C.C.

[Pepmoix]

The emperor said to Lelouch that he still had use for him, so he may have his reasons to keep his identity secret and even Zero prancing around.

[Rukia]

Oh come on...the Emperor doesn't have me fooled for a moment. I know he's secretly pleased with the hatred that has grown in Lelouch. Lelouch has talent and skill. He has shown his intelligence and has bested three of the Emperor's children already.

I have a bit of inside information. The Emperor sent me a text last week. "Everything is going according to plan." Pretty short and simple, but extremely telling. I responded with a text of my own..."Is that in regards to Rolo?" I am still awaiting his response, but I believed I have figured it out.

The Emperor knew what being Lelouch's brother for a year would do to Rolo...he sent Rolo to "aid" Lelouch. And he probably even envisioned a scenario where it wouldn't go according to plan...and he decided that it would be entertaining to see if Lelouch could handle someone so formidable. I'll know for sure tomorrow. The Emperor and I are getting drinks at the local pub before Iron Man.

[Goodfellow]

Everyone knows that The emperor is playing a season spanning Xanathos gambit. I mean, it's pretty fucking given:lmao

When they meet next time, Charles gonna go:

Just as planned:kukuku

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Ok,at the end of first Code Geass:Lelouch Of The Rebellion,Kallen and Suzaku witness the true identity of Zero to be Lelouch Vi Britannia.

Hmm, as far as Kallen goes, I'm not sure if she knows that he's Lelouch Vi Britannia - as far as I know, she only knows that he's Lelouch Lamperouge (but I guess that at this stage, it wouldn't be strange if she now knows that he's Lelouch Vi Britannia - it could explain her "I believe in Zero, not the likes of you, Lelouch" comment in epsiode 2 at least).

But,Suzaku,Kallen,and the emperor know who the true indentity of Zero. So what is the purpose of not letting anyone know that Lelouch Lamperouge is really Zero ? Wouldn't it save Britannia,from being triumped over by the Black Knights ? I could understand the reason why Kallen keeps her mouth closed,her loyalty resides to Lelouch,and the Black Knights.

But what about Suzaku and The Emperor,what are they possibly gaining from keeping Lelouch's identity a secret ?

Well, there could be many factors. The "offical" reason seems to be that his indentity has been kept a secret for the purpose of capturing CC. But there coudl be other reasons too. for example, there's hints of that the emperor may well have some plan ongoing, one which is best served by keeping Lelouch's indentity a secret. Also, to announce that Zero is "a Brittanian student named Lelouch Lamperouge" probably wouldn't have much of an effect - at least some of the black knights already knows that he isn't Japanese, at the very least - and I think most of the black knights would follow him regardless. And to announce that he's a former Brittanian prince might not be the best idea either, because that while that might lower the support for Zero in Japan, it would possibly also serve to reduce support for the emperor/the empire in general as such (especially if they got to know that Zero had been in their grasp but been allowed to escape to create more trouble)...

[Rukia]

No, absolutely not. She has no idea that Lelouch Lamperouge is a child of the Emperor. They look nothing alike! How could she tell? :jk

In all seriousness...she doesn't know. She has no way of knowing. Only the Emperor, Suzaku, CC, and Nunnally know about both identities.

Sasuke X is going to love this one...Kallen will find out at the end of the season that Lelouch is actually Lelouch Vi Britannia...sort of the same way she found out that Zero was Lelouch Lamperouge at the end of the season. Gotta love the creativity. :zaru

It's actually foolish for Lelouch to not just tell her all of his secrets...it's not like she would turn away from him or anything. And if she knows everything...she will be there for him at the most important time. Apparently Lelouch hasn't learned from his first season mistake. :facepalm

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

In all seriousness...she doesn't know. She has no way of knowing. Only the Emperor, Suzaku, CC, and Nunnally know about both identities.

There's a possibility that CC has told her...

Sasuke X is going to love this one...Kallen will find out at the end of the season that Lelouch is actually Lelouch Vi Britannia...sort of the same way she found out that Zero was Lelouch Lamperouge at the end of the season. Gotta love the creativity. :zaru.

..... He's going to love that one alright :blink .

It's actually foolish for Lelouch to not just tell her all of his secrets...it's not like she would turn away from him or anything. And if she knows everything...she will be there for him at the most important time. Apparently Lelouch hasn't learned from his first season mistake. :facepalm

Hey, hey, we've barley gotten started yet. There's still 21 episodes left during which he may tell her. Besides... If Nunally becomes the govenor of Area 11, there's a possiiblity that she'll have started to reuse her former last name and Kallen KNOWS that she and Lelouch are sibblings, so it wouldn't take a lot of brain power to put two and two together here... :amuse (which'd probably end up with her confronting Lelouch about the whole issuse).

[Sunuvmann]

I'm under the impression the Emperor loev seeing his kids compete. He doesn't want anyone killed. Its like a game for him, a battle royale if you will, to see who succeeds him.

He doesn't want Lulu to die, rather since he lost, he's punishing him with having to start over again. He probably knew Lulu to be Zero the whole time.

[Pepmoix]

Are you implying that the Emperor actually wants Lelouch to succeed him? He's letting Zero start his rebellion again purposely, just to see which one of his children turns out victorious and has the right to inherit the throne?

Now, it works with the whole 'darwnism' he adheres to, but it doesn't seem right...

[mechunter]

I'm under the impression the Emperor loev seeing his kids compete. He doesn't want anyone killed. Its like a game for him, a battle royale if you will, to see who succeeds him.

He doesn't want Lulu to die, rather since he lost, he's punishing him with having to start over again. He probably knew Lulu to be Zero the whole time.

The emperor knew the entire time. He had somehow talked to Clovis (after he died) and Clovis knew that Lelouch was alive and had somehow gotten to him without anyone noticing/everyone abandoning their positions (and he could have mentioned C.C. while he was at it - he had nothing to lose at that point). It probably didn't take much brain power for the emperor to come to the conclusion that Lelouch had most likely made a contract with C.C. and received a Geass. He just didn't know the exact ability until episode 4 when Jeremiah followed "Zero's" (I doubt the emperor was fooled) orders to the letter. It's clear he knew the full details by 22-23 when he was laughing about what Lelouch had done to Euphie exclaiming I believe "He really did it!" (whether he knew it was an accident is debatable).

As to why not kill Lelouch a couple of reasons come to mind:
1. (as mentioned above) Survival of the fittest mentality for succession - Lelouch had already proven his worth by besting (one way or another) Clovis, Euphie (and Schniezel in a sense as he supported Euphie), and Cornellia and the only reason he lost was because the emperor himself had run interference. Without V.V. kidnapping Nunnally, Japan would have been lost. I suppose the emperor may have been disappointed with Lelouch's decision to go after Nunnally (essentially the one quality that makes him unfit) and punished him accordingly.
2. C.C - the emperor may actually need C.C. at some point, so keeping Lelouch alive would guarantee her appearance again. Otherwise, she would have most likely disappeared completely until it was safe again to or she had a reason to reappear. Keeping Lelouch alive was necessary to keep her in the picture.

[Goodfellow]

Are you implying that the Emperor actually wants Lelouch to succeed him? He's letting Zero start his rebellion again purposely, just to see which one of his children turns out victorious and has the right to inherit the throne?

Now, it works with the whole 'darwnism' he adheres to, but it doesn't seem right...

Well, maybe. The emperor wants a strong successor. Whom better than the one who bested him in a fight?

He's just being patriotic:zaru

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Are you implying that the Emperor actually wants Lelouch to succeed him? He's letting Zero start his rebellion again purposely, just to see which one of his children turns out victorious and has the right to inherit the throne?

Now, it works with the whole 'darwnism' he adheres to, but it doesn't seem right...

If you assume that he actually wants to, then a lot of things makes sense. Some more things that perhaps ought to be mentioned as far as that theory goes:

1. In Episode 4, Lelouch mentions in class that "The responsibity of the royal family is to make certain that the next generation is as great as the previous one" - hmm...

2. In his speech in episode 6, the emperor says that Clovis death was "proof that the empire of Brittania is evolving". One can interpret it as meaning that he knew that Lelouch had begun his work...