Sasuke X has an excellent point...

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

Some of you do not like the fact that Sasuke X keeps harping on the same thing over and over-how Season 2 is merely a variation (if not a repeat) of Season 1.

But I think Sasuke X has a valid point. It is not merely the plot...but the animation as well.
Need more proof?

Check this out...

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5736/lalidd1kq2.jpg

^^^^ That is both depressing and disappointing.

The one on the left is from when Rollo gets saved by Lelouch/Zero and the one on the right is from when C.C. touches Suzaku's Lancelot and sends him into a panic.

I found this image from animesuki. I cannot take credit for this find.

[DeathGuise_of_Oblivion]

.....mmmyes. Because a pilot freaking out in a Knightmare, leaning forward and breathing heavy WOULDN'T have the same animation angles. Does someone wanna bust out a Lelouch version of this(I'm sure there is one) or something.

Besides, the scenes are at totally different times in the series and are concerning totally different causes (Lelouch's machinations/C.C. supernatural ability to make people go "OMG IT BURNS!!!! Where's the Preperation H?! I said where's the goddam Preperation H?!?!?!").

The fact is the frame shots are a very popular pose for those with Brittania style cockpit's.

As for other "comparisons" made by Sasuke X, I finally have a reaosnable and easy to explain rebuttal.

In R2, we've seen some very similar situations that we saw in S1. Yet in these situations, Lelouch has handled them with much more precision and overall awesomeness, so much it can not be denied.

An easy example of this is how he was able to turn the new "Haxor" Knightmare Frame pilot on his side, while he failed with Suzaku on that regard. Also, he didn't use a riot shield to surf on Slash Harukens and onto a Gloucaster's head. So STFU whiners. R2 kicks mucho asso. And yes I know thats not correct Spanish.

[Woofie]

Eh, it's Sunrise, re-use of animation isn't that unexpected. Just be thankful it is't more frequent and more noticeable.

[Aavalon]

Oh no, two people looking surprised in mechs. They've obviously run out of ideas. This is surely the end of Code Geass.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

DeathGuise and Aavalon: if being a jerk is in your nature...then it's alright.

Obviously neither of u noobs know that Sunrise has a PROVEN and LONG-STANDING history of reusing animation frames with minimal change.

Moreover, your reading comprehension levels seem below the average person's level...
my point was that regardless of whether or not season 2 is in HD, I was expecting the animation to be different and even more improved. And yes, I am well aware that similar frames are sometimes necessary but when taken into account with the plot-direction of season 2, the show has thus far fallen below my expectations. I still enjoy it nonetheless. It is head and shoulders above any Gundam Series I have ever seen...that's for sure.

[zaphood]

Its not recommended to take joke threads from other forums and post them as serious threads in NF. Although I will grant you that it won't be noticed 99% of the time.

[Rukia]

Oh no, two people looking surprised in mechs. They've obviously run out of ideas. This is surely the end of Code Geass.:lmao

Where is the image of Lelouch hunched over making the same face? After he learned that Suzaku was the pilot of the Lancelot and returned...he made the exact same facial expression. Anyways, I agree with the others. Something like this doesn't bother me at all. As long as they don't constantly reuse battle footage and as long as they don't make a million flashbacks to the first season...I will be fine. (Gundam Seed Destiny.)

[Rob_Zero]

DeathGuise and Aavalon: if being a jerk is in your nature...then it's alright.

Obviously neither of u noobs know that Sunrise has a PROVEN and LONG-STANDING history of reusing animation frames with minimal change.

Haha, I love people who can't take jokes.

Are you autistic? I'm not insulting you, I myself am autistic. It's just that kind of reaction to a joke just makes me think "autistic".

I don't think simple reuse of animation or similar animation is tangible evidence for the series not being as great as it can be. Only if it's done too often.

[Sasuke X]

Haha, I love people who can't take jokes.

Are you autistic? I'm not insulting you, I myself am autistic. It's just that kind of reaction to a joke just makes me think "autistic".

I don't think simple reuse of animation or similar animation is tangible evidence for the series not being as great as it can be. Only if it's done too often.

How amusing - I thought you simply had something lodged up your anus. Who would've thought we're both on the autistic spectrum?

On-topic: In my own thread I've posted more than enough on this subject to last until EP5, including EP1-2 S1 comparisons. I'd rather wait until EP5 before re-opening this discussion.

With Sunrise infamously repeating what happened during Gundam Seed in the sequel Gundam Seed Destiny and being infamous for re-using animation (it was awful towards the end of GS), it isn't surprising Sunrise are copying the story and some art/animation. We just have to hope the copying stops quickly.

EP4 was probably the episode that copied the least...but it still used the prisoner blueprint and had Zero create a brilliant plan to defeat the enemy on his own - Copied from EP4 of S1. The copying didn't stop there, with the collapsing platform plan that was used at the end of S1 being re-used here as Zero's brilliant plan.

So far, my ratings have been something like

EP1: 8/10
EP2: 8.5/10
EP3: 7/10
EP4: 8.5/10

While the above ratings aren't bad, they're only going to get worse if Code Geass disappoints when the plot revelations start flying. It doesn't look good when there's bound to be a lot more Ashford episodes and there's no telling when/if the S1 copying will end.

[Rob_Zero]

While the above ratings aren't bad, they're only going to get worse if Code Geass disappoints when the plot revelations start flying. It doesn't look good when there's bound to be a lot more Ashford episodes and there's no telling when/if the S1 copying will end.

The summaries we have of eps 6-8 describe events that are very different from eps 6-8 of season. We still have hope for there. If the upcoming Newtype coming next week has info on ep 9, we may have even more hope.

And yeah, I have Aspergers ("higher functioning autism" as it is called).

[Goodfellow]

Actually, I think the reuse so far has been pretty clever. It's alike, but not really alike. The episodes seem to follow the same beat, but they are the same time different. At least it has been better than having the nearly identical youth on the nearly identical colony find the nearly identically mecha and then beat the nearly identical enemies.

So far it hasn't been an unpleasant mix of unfamiliar and familiar. I do though, think that the R2 plot will start diverging itself midpoint though:nod

[Sasuke X]

The summaries we have of eps 6-8 describe events that are very different from eps 6-8 of season. We still have hope for there. If the upcoming Newtype coming next week has info on ep 9, we may have even more hope.

And yeah, I have Aspergers ("higher functioning autism" as it is called).

I'm staying away from the summaries - I hate spoilers. There have been few surprises so far and I'd like to keep the future surprises a mystery until the episodes air.

I do know about Nunnally; I saw an Animesuki spoiler when the EP5 preview was being discussed over there.

I also have AS. However, You can't blame AS for everything- You being stiff and me being...err, loose prove that not everyone with AS is identical. We both probably suck at tennis, though.

[Amatsu]

I get it at the end of season 2 it'll end at another cliffhanger between Lelouch and Rolo and at the beginning of season 3 Lelouch won't have his memories again because Rolo spin kicked him.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

I also have AS.

That makes us three then smile-big

I get it at the end of season 2 it'll end at another cliffhanger between Lelouch and Rolo and at the beginning of season 3 Lelouch won't have his memories again because Rolo spin kicked him.

... Don't give me nightmares, please! :doh

[Amatsu]

... Don't give me nightmares, please! :doh

Just as planned :: laughs like Light::

[Rob_Zero]

I also have AS. However, You can't blame AS for everything- You being stiff and me being...err, loose prove that not everyone with AS is identical. We both probably suck at tennis, though.

I don't blame it for everything. I used to when I was twelve. Not anymore, though. And LOL, me being "stiff". I never try to be a dick, I just didn't like it when you told Leon to "die in a fire" because you didn't agree with him. It pissed me off really, but I guess that's a flaw in respecting others more than one's own self. And yeah, I suck at tennis. Always have, really. I also am prone to typoes.

@Aethos: I'd go on a homicidal rampage if that were a distinct possibility. Thankfully, it isn't. It's outrageous, just like the "homicidal rampage".

[Sasuke X]

Always have, really. I also am prone to typoes.

I'm an awful typist. For some reason unknown to me I've only ever been able to type with one-hand; my left hand...when I'm right-handed. I can type damn fast since I know where the keys are by instinct, but I'm obviously at a disadvantage when most people can type with all 10 fingers.

I also make tons of errors - Typos, words in the wrong places, you name it. Since I have this bad habit of posting before reading my message through, I tend to edit my posts a lot.

[Fleecy]

I think they're making season one and two parallel on purpose before branching off into something new. I wouldn't say I prefer it, but it's a technique I suppose.

[DeathGuise_of_Oblivion]

That makes us three then smile-big

Wrong, four of us! Brethren have been found! :cry

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

I think they're making season one and two parallel on purpose before branching off into something new. I wouldn't say I prefer it, but it's a technique I suppose.

This is what I am thinking...

they want to show that Lelouch could follow the same path (one without a moral compass) that would have ultimately lead to defeat...

...but instead he will choose a better path...one where he takes into account morals and what not.

@by the way...I do not have autism...but I used to have ADD to the max (when I was a kid) and OCD till I was like 12.

[Dracofury90]

LOL funny post. But honestly how many shots of surprised faces can you get in a mecha that look good? As long as they aren't reusing exact footage it's good.

Honestly I think the parallels that Sunrise is doing with S1/S2 are IMO quite clever especially from a director's stand point. As long as they start deviating (which ofc they will do) then I think that the plot will get way more intense. People are just bitching now but when people watch the whole second season in a row I think everyone will appreciate the parallels.

[Rukia]

Here we go. Lelouch's similar face. lol. :P

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9607/vlcsnap15022099vo6.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9607/vlcsnap15022099vo6.da684bac84.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=501&i=vlcsnap15022099vo6.png)

[DeathGuise_of_Oblivion]

This is what I am thinking...

they want to show that Lelouch could follow the same path (one without a moral compass) that would have ultimately lead to defeat...

...but instead he will choose a better path...one where he takes into account morals and what not.

@by the way...I do not have autism...but I used to have ADD to the max (when I was a kid) and OCD till I was like 12.


What you experienced may not be OCD. It could be OCS(Obsessive Compulsive Syndrome). The D, stands for Disorder which means its permanent(though sometimes not the case), and a lot of times the obsession doesn't make sense. For example, I have the innate need to feel a new experienced twice. At random times I completely force myself to mess with button configuration for the sake of satisfying this need, or as earlier tonight, I forced myself to slightly scratch my glasses corner on the corner of my washing machine's door. OCS is a temporary effect that people believe to be OCD. Example's include temporary germ phobia.

Now I'm not your own personal Psycho-analyst so if it happened I believe you. I personally suffer from extreme OCD that was branched off from my High Functioning Autism. It doesn't help that without my autism I still would have moderately bad OCD as well. I'm currently on two different medications and have been on over ten over the eleven years since I've been diagnosed.



@Rukia: Thanks. Reps for you deary. Proof that two scenes doesn't make a whole series! Though two reused scenes can ruin one(GSD). Though a common angle shot in the Knightmare isn't what I'd call duplicate. But thats just me. :amuse

[Saruto]

Guys, I have a confession....I have Down Syndrome.

[Sunuvmann]

They are going for parallels. But note, they are going much fucking faster than they did last time. By now, they are largely where they were with the freeing of Toudou at about episode 18. He's defeated the Maoesque character with Geass who was going after CC, who as well is a Suzaku like figure (in Ep. 4 or 5 I think it was when he freed Suzaku last time) but with much better results. Wti the exception of needing to get a shit load more mechs, he's already got back what took him 2/3 of a season to build. Yes, they are reusing matierial, but its done for parallelism. Within a few episodes, he will probably back in his prime and once he rescues Nunally, we can pick up where we left off at 24.

[Sasuke X]

Yes, they are reusing matierial, but its done for parallelism.

Do you think Sunrise decided to copy S1 to please the fans or because it was easier for them to copy?
Sunrise are going down the parallel route because they lack the originality to do anything else. Copying is copying no matter how you word it.

Until I see some sort of progression and the takeover Japan/go to school with Suzaku stuff stops I'm going to think of S2 as a failure... Hell, I'll think of it as a failure regardless if Sunrise don't stop soon - This series only has 25 episodes in it and we'll be 1/5th of the way through after the latest filler episode.

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

What you experienced may not be OCD. It could be OCS(Obsessive Compulsive Syndrome). The D, stands for Disorder which means its permanent(though sometimes not the case), and a lot of times the obsession doesn't make sense. For example, I have the innate need to feel a new experienced twice. At random times I completely force myself to mess with button configuration for the sake of satisfying this need, or as earlier tonight, I forced myself to slightly scratch my glasses corner on the corner of my washing machine's door. OCS is a temporary effect that people believe to be OCD. Example's include temporary germ phobia.

Now I'm not your own personal Psycho-analyst so if it happened I believe you. I personally suffer from extreme OCD that was branched off from my High Functioning Autism. It doesn't help that without my autism I still would have moderately bad OCD as well. I'm currently on two different medications and have been on over ten over the eleven years since I've been diagnosed.



No...you are right...I actually had OCS...the reason I know is b/c of the germ phobia...which I still experience but to a much lower degree.

[Sunuvmann]

Do you think Sunrise decided to copy S1 to please the fans or because it was easier for them to copy?
Sunrise are going down the parallel route because they lack the originality to do anything else. Copying is copying no matter how you word it.

Until I see some sort of progression and the takeover Japan/go to school with Suzaku stuff stops I'm going to think of S2 as a failure... Hell, I'll think of it as a failure regardless if Sunrise don't stop soon - This series only has 25 episodes in it and we'll be 1/5th of the way through after the latest filler episode.
I am leaning towards fanservice. People enjoyed his last rise to power so I think they were the opinion of if they make noticeable similarities, fan will enjoy it as well. It looks way too much, the stuff they try and do similiar not for it to be intentional.

I see your point of wanting original content, not copypasta. But to an extent they are trying to play a juggling act, or rather Zero is. He hast to 1) Rescue his subordinates, 2) Make the Japanese people think he is Zero, 3) Make the Britannians think he isn't.

Hence why he executed parallel strategies of winning an unwinnable battle and then controlling the stage itself. The mindfuck face, well they must just generally enjoy having them. Just look at Nia when Euphie died. Except that's a bit more grotesque :sag

Point is, there are similarities, but it is intentional and it is going much faster than last season was.

[Nae'blis]

Do you think Sunrise decided to copy S1 to please the fans or because it was easier for them to copy?
Sunrise are going down the parallel route because they lack the originality to do anything else. Copying is copying no matter how you word it.

Until I see some sort of progression and the takeover Japan/go to school with Suzaku stuff stops I'm going to think of S2 as a failure... Hell, I'll think of it as a failure regardless if Sunrise don't stop soon - This series only has 25 episodes in it and we'll be 1/5th of the way through after the latest filler episode.

I'm of this opinion as well. I won't hate it, and I don't consider it a failure, but every episode can't be a repost of a repost.

[Lord Yu]

I personally agree with the sentiment that the first episode was a copout and this season is shit compared to what it could have been had they not made Suzaku Jesus. I honestly believe a plot line that didn't involve Lelouch going back to school but escaping to the fringes of society and going underground like the rest did would be far more interesting then asinine school fair episodes only their for comic relief and cheap fan service. This season has had it's surprises but fuck parallelism it's just laziness and bad writing.

[Sasuke X]

I honestly believe a plot line that didn't involve Lelouch going back to school but escaping to the fringes of society and going underground like the rest did would be far more interesting then asinine school fair episodes only their for comic relief and cheap fan service. This season has had it's surprises but fuck parallelism it's just laziness and bad writing.

I would've liked to have seen that: No more school and no more constant fan service, just seriousness. Code Geass could've truly beaten Death Note if it wasn't made childish to the extent it has been in S2 and had advanced. Sadly, Code Geass is quickly changing from epic to unbelievably stupid, which is a damn shame when I had such high hopes for it.

In the first season Sunrise blended the school/Zero parts together well, but it was time to move on from that stage in this season; take the series in a new direction. But, due to Sunrise seemingly being run by cowards, they instead decided use the exact same formula of S1 (taking the series backwards by doing so), going as far as to copy the first 2 episodes of S1 on a storyboard level, also copying various things in the later episodes.

Talking of Ashford, episode 5 was quite awful. It stole the cat filler episode and festival episode from S1, mixing elements from those episodes together with more fan service than ever and presented itself as the 5th episode of S2. It's funny that Sunrise are even copying filler from S1 (the cat chase, C.C. coming out in the open for pizza, a festival...), as if they're unable to even come up with new time wasting material.

And it isn't simply the copying and Ashford stuff that's getting to me: The characters are being ruined in S2. Shirley has already been made useless by the Zero letter sub-plot being forgotten about, Kallen has been turned into pure fan service in S2 and Suzaku's character has been completely ruined by him first not attempting to kill Lelouch (after he acted berserk at the end of S1) and later acting like he doesn't care about Euphy much at all.

I'd like to think that people will stop watching if it gets too bad in order to teach Sunrise a lesson they need to learn, but the majority of the fanbase love the fact Ashford is still around and that there's more fan service than ever... I'm even labelled as being overly critical of something that's meant to entertain because I expected more than stupidity and boobs from the sequel to one of my favourite series. In all honesty, the masses will watch almost anything and be happy, and Sunrise know it.

My hope and expectations for S2 are pretty much all but gone after watching EP5 and taking into account what came before it. It's not impossible that we'll see a dramatic turn-around later on, but it isn't looking very likely that S2 will be be anything like a worthy sequel.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Suzaku's character has been completely ruined by him first not attempting to kill Lelouch (after he acted berserk at the end of S1) and later acting like he doesn't care about Euphy much at all.

It did indeed seem quite strange that he'd appear so calm and composed in the flashback of the events at the end of season 1, after him having that crazy look on his face at the end indeed :blink . I suppose this is the big change they made as far as Suxzaku goes; they made him the "calm and composed avenger" instead of the "fury-filled revenge-crazy avenger" :sweat

I'd like to think that people will stop watching if it gets too bad in order to teach Sunrise a lesson they need to learn, but the majority of the fanbase love the fact Ashford is still around and that there's more fan service than ever... I'm even labelled as being overly critical of something that's meant to entertain because I expected more than stupidity and boobs from the sequel to one of my favourite series. In all honesty, the masses will watch almost anything and be happy, and Sunrise know it.

Well, they certainly should put in less Ashford. I don't mind the fanservice though :grin . Certainly Code Geass is so far rather different from what I thought it'd be after all those previews and such I heard (for example, we've been promised that CG would focus more on the world than Japan, but strictly speaking it has yet to really happen..) <_<.

My hope and expectations for S2 are pretty much all but gone after watching EP5 and taking into account what came before it. It's not impossible that we'll see a dramatic turn-around later on, but it isn't looking very likely that S2 will be be anything like a worthy sequel.

Well, just as quickly as one loses hope, it might be regained. as I recall, plenty enoguh people were sorta losing their hope around the deserted island episode of CG - and yet but a few episodes later, the most mind-shaking episode in the whole series immediately changes the minds of the CG-watchers... We'll see what'll become of season 2 though. But I admit that I long for the day when we get past the reusals and "The world" (supposedly) becomes the focus of the stage for CG...

[Mr. Stud Muffin]

The ending of episode 5 didn't have quite the effect it had on most others. I knew I shouldn't have read the spoilers for turns 6-8. Stupid me.

[Ssj3_Goku]

You know ever time I read threads like this it dawns on me how sad people can really be about a freaking anime show =/.

[Wu Fei]

yeah i used argue with someone (probably this Sasuke X) about him just looking too much at the old episodes and comparing. But I saw Code Geass on Adult Swim and there is no denying that things are ridiculously similar. The plot and the situation and circumstances are so different yet the settings and background events and plot devices are damn near the same.

Am I going to knock R2 for it? Hell No. Its still has me saying oh shit all the time. But can I deny the parallels with season 1? No I cannot.