Why Torres will inevitably outshine C. Ronaldo

[LivingHitokiri]

I won't drag this on as an everlasting wall of text, but I'll keep it short... very short.

As you all probably know, this season will make Ronaldo's 6th season (I think lol) in United. A marvelous player indeed, but a bit of an arrogant little twat if I may say so myself.

If you take Torres, it's his debut aka 1st season in Liverpool and he's already established quite a scoring phenomenon. As many players say, their second season in any club is always a downside, so Torres might not be as big next year, but here I am hoping he can turn the tides.

If you gave Torres the same 6 seasons Ronaldo got, I'm pretty sure he'd be at least rivaling Ronaldo's number goals.

[El Torero]

I 100% agree with you. This is only 1st EPL season of Torres, and omg! And he was last season one of the 3 best players of La Liga.

PD: Tifa, post in some non-Premier League threads too :iria

[LivingHitokiri]

I'll support my love for Atletico soon enough!

[Vault]

la-liga thread next season is gonna get stomped im gonna be there most of the time, since malaga is gonna be there :WOW

serrano we should make a MALAGA CF thread too :sun

[El Torero]

Vault, we´re talking about Malaga in the current one :LOS

EDIT: Maybe tomorrow I´ll do the Malaga thread :LOS

[Vault]

are you :LOS

NICE !!!!!!!!!!!1

[GrimeWire]

Please tell me how many league goals Torres has scored away from home.

[LivingHitokiri]

Need I remind you that Torres was injured for a period.


Needless to say, that doesn't matter.

[Mad Hatter]

I won't drag this on as an everlasting wall of text, but I'll keep it short... very short.

As you all probably know, this season will make Ronaldo's 6th season (I think lol) in United. A marvelous player indeed, but a bit of an arrogant little twat if I may say so myself.

If you take Torres, it's his debut aka 1st season in Liverpool and he's already established quite a scoring phenomenon. As many players say, their second season in any club is always a downside, so Torres might not be as big next year, but here I am hoping he can turn the tides.

If you gave Torres the same 6 seasons Ronaldo got, I'm pretty sure he'd be at least rivaling Ronaldo's number goals.
Ok, How much better do you think Torres will get next season?

Also Ronaldo is one year younger than torres, Meaning Torres has been playing footie longer than him.

All in all Fabregas will be the best player. He's 4 years younger than Torres and three years younger than Ronaldo. Yet he fucking holds our team together.

[sel]

Torres is a great player and will continue to shine, but to be frankly honest the only way I can see that happening is if Ronaldo gets hit by a bus on the way to his training.


All in all Fabregas will be the best player. He's 4 years younger than Torres and three years younger than Torres. Yet he fucking holds our team together.

Second to only Messi but agreed on that.

[Mad Hatter]

Torres is a great player and will continue to shine, but to be frankly honest the only way I can see that happening is if Ronaldo gets hit by a bus on the way to his training.
Yeah, neither will get much better or much worse.

Second to only Messi but agreed on that.
Damn, forgot about that little Argentinian. Yeah.

CBA to make a new thread, but are we getting new better players younger?

Rooney...
C. Ronaldo...
Torres...
Fabregas...
Benzema...

Theres probably others I'm forgetting.

[GrimeWire]

Yeah, neither will get much better or much worse.


Damn, forgot about that little Argentinian. Yeah.

CBA to make a new thread, but are we getting new better players younger?

Rooney...
C. Ronaldo...
Torres...
Fabregas...
Benzema...

Theres probably others I'm forgetting.

Add Aguero and Ben Arfa on that list. There do seem to be more and more youngsters with lots of ability popping up. The academies must be getting better, and the managers taking more risks.

[Commander Red]

How many Goals did Torres scored this season on the Premiership league matches?

[sarun uchiha]

^^ 22 or more.
He scored less on other competition.

[Ennoea]

I agree with most of it, especially the twat part.

[sarun uchiha]

I can't say who who will outshine whom in the future but both are having great season in PL and we will hopefully see plenty more from both of them as I believe both of them haven't reached their peak yet.

[The Sentry]

I agree with th OP 118%

[sarun uchiha]

Torres exceeded expectations this season and so could be said about C. Ronaldo.

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

Torres is older ... so he might not get 6 seasons to play at that level. The away goals will come next year though. Torre's tally will also depend on how well the two of them link up in the future ....
I mean, Torres's success will depend heavily on Gerrard because atm, no one else has such quality passing

I agree with Venom on Fabregas being the best player in the years to come. I am giving him the nod ahead just because Messi is a bit injury prone ...

Fabregas has done a great job shouldering the responsibilities of this Arsenal team ... Messi hasn't had to play such a role for Barca yet.

[Arachnia]

Ronaldo was exceeding expectations last year as well. No1 expected him to go beyond that this season but AGAIN he improved. I can't imagine what reputation he would get for himself if his next season goes better than this one :hehee

[sarun uchiha]

There are plenty of good young talents out there right now.

[The Sentry]

What Arsenal players exceed expectations? NONE :nuts

[sarun uchiha]

^^ Flamini to name one.
There are more too.

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

What Arsenal players exceed expectations? NONE :nuts

Arsenal as a team exceeded expectations ... people talked about them finishing outside the top four.
What about liverpool ? They don't have any expectations in the Premier league to exceed tbh :zaru

[The Sentry]

Arsenal as a team exceeded expectations ... people talked about them finishing outside the top four.
What about liverpool ? They don't have any expectations in the Premier league to exceed tbh :zaru

No one talked about Arseshit coming outside the top 4 but me. Arsenal were 2nd favorites.
The Arsenal squad is a disgrace....if Pool were 6 points ahead we would not drop so easily...or the players would never see their possesions again.
Arsenal are overrated and a disgrace and LOST to LIVERPOOL.

[Cesc Fabregas]

he probably will almost 30 goals in his first season.................impressive

[sarun uchiha]

How is the talk in this thread turn to Gunner bashing?:pek

[Chocochip]

What Arsenal players exceed expectations? NONE :nuts

You really don't have an idea do you?

Fabregas first of all, is fricken 20 years old and already the best center midfielder or at least in the top three.

Adebayor, a sub, is the third highest scorer in EPL. He wasn't even suppose to start but due to Van Persie getting injured, he got the chance.


Eduardo wasn't either, but Henry got traded.


They had to replace both starting fowards who did excellent.




If Pool were 6 points ahead you say?


They can't get into that position because they suck too much.

Arsenal>Liverpool in through out the year.

People that don't know much soccer will judge a better team by one game they play against each other rather a whole season.

I like how Liverpool is lower in rank.

If Aresenal's nickname is Areshit it is because they keep shitting on Liverpool from up above.

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

The above post definitely deserves a rep :LOS ... because it speaks nothing but the truth :nod.

But lets not deviate from the topic guys ...

Ronaldo is in the form of his life where he can't put a foot wrong. Look at his penalty against barca for example ... who can hit the post with such aplomb :zaru ?

Torres got a very large percentage of his goals in front of the Cop, but we have to agree that the guy has enough class to become the next best striker in EPL.

[Commander Red]

People, please stop bashing both Arsenal and Liverpool. Of course you can critisize the clubs, but please don't go into senseless bashing.

Perhaps, I'm not the one who should have said this, but I did so anyway, because both Arsenal & Liverpool are my favourite clubs of the English (Premier) League. I find it very entertaining and exciting to see Liverpool & Arsenal playing football. That's the reason why I like Arsenal & Liverpool. They might not be the best clubs, but a club doesn't neccesarily have to be a formidable one to be exciting. (Why do you think that Robin van Persie recently said: "We may haven't won anything this season, but the whole world agress on the fact that we are a fantastic squad (which is quite dissappointing if you haven't won anything). Even if didn't win a single cup, we have won something else: Respect." )
Therefore, I found the latest match Liverpool - Chelsea more entertaining than FC Barcelona - Manchester United.
The last mentioned match, was even Boring, with a capital B. However, this does not mean that I do NOT respect the teams, or need to bash them. I respect both FC Barcelona & Manchester United, even though they aren't really my cup of thea.

So please, stop the bashing, at least once! Show a little credit to your opponents. Especially to opponents who play Football! (And not diving.)

Thank you, in advance!

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

People, please stop bashing both Arsenal and Liverpool. Of course you can critisize the clubs, but please don't go into senseless bashing.

Perhaps, I'm not the one who should have said this, but I did so anyway, because both Arsenal & Liverpool are my favourite clubs of the English (Premier) League. I find it very entertaining and exciting to see Liverpool & Arsenal playing football. That's the reason why I like Arsenal & Liverpool. They might not be the best clubs, but a club doesn't neccesarily have to be a formidable one to be exciting. (Why do you think that Robin van Persie recently said: "We may haven't won anything this season, but the whole world agress on the fact that we are a fantastic squad (which is quite dissappointing if you haven't won anything). Even if didn't win a single cup, we have won something else: Respect." )
Therefore, I found the latest match Liverpool - Chelsea more entertaining than FC Barcelona - Manchester United.
The last mentioned match, was even Boring, with a capital B. However, this does not mean that I do NOT respect the teams, or need to bash them. I respect both FC Barcelona & Manchester United, even though they aren't really my cup of thea.

So please, stop the bashing, at least once! Show a little credit to your opponents. Especially to opponents who play Football! (And not diving.)

Thank you, in advance!

I wasn't bashing liverpool or any other team ... it was a bit of a banter, can't help it if it is taken in the wrong sense.

[Commander Red]

I wasn't bashing liverpool or any other team ... it was a bit of a banter, can't help it if it is taken in the wrong sense.

True true, I meant this in general on this whole subforum, (it's just that I made have enough of it) perhaps I should have made a seperate topic for this.

I might have interpretated things wrong, I'm afraid. I hope people won't get me wrong, I don't want to end on the other side then where I should be.

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

True true, I meant this in general on this whole subforum, (it's just that I made have enough of it) perhaps I should have made a seperate topic for this.

I might have interpretated things wrong, I'm afraid. I hope people won't get me wrong, I don't want to end on the other side then where I should be.

I always try to refrain from bashing other clubs, even when I really hate them for winning against the team whom I support. Heck, I stopped posting in the thread when Arsenal were playing badly for that reason.

I agree with your sentiments, those who post here should take care to keep the decorum of this place. It is a valid concern but let me assure you that most of the posters here will keep themselves in check because they value this forum.

[Tachikoma]

I've said this before, and i'll say it again.

Ronaldo's scoring record hinges on the fact that Man U have no other goal scorers, bring in someone like say Ruud v. Nistelrooy prime, and he wouldn't have half the goals he has.

[Commander Red]

I always try to refrain from bashing other clubs, even when I really hate them for winning against the team whom I support. Heck, I stopped posting in the thread when Arsenal were playing badly for that reason.

I agree with your sentiments, those who post here should take care to keep the decorum of this place. It is a valid concern but let me assure you that most of the posters here will keep themselves in check because they value this forum.

I see, thanks for understanding me, and for the clarification of thing around here, which I couldn't spot them until recently.

[erictheking]

I've said this before, and i'll say it again.

Ronaldo's scoring record hinges on the fact that Man U have no other goal scorers, bring in someone like say Ruud v. Nistelrooy prime, and he wouldn't have half the goals he has.

What's your point though? It sounds like you're saying, "if you brought in one of the best finishing centre-forwards into the team, the winger wouldn't have as many goals." Surely we would play differently with Van Nistelrooy in our team.

How does that detract from Ronaldo's goalscoring record?

[Tachikoma]

What's your point though? It sounds like you're saying, "if you brought in one of the best finishing centre-forwards into the team, the winger wouldn't have as many goals." Surely we would play differently with Van Nistelrooy in our team.

How does that detract from Ronaldo's goalscoring record?
You answered your own question.

Ronaldo is currently the outlet for Man U.

As such people can stop saying 30+ goals "as a winger" its ridiculous.

[sarun uchiha]

Tachi, it still doesn't take away the fact that he is one the best goal scorers in recent seasons.

[erictheking]

That's his natural position. George Best played in a similar manner with Denis Law up front getting that many goals. The fact that he's scoring so much more now than when RVN was in our team is a credit to him and our club. If we had his Liverpool counterpart Pennant instead, would he be able to score as many as a winger drifting into the centre? You're diminishing his achievement because he changes positions during play. Far more ridiculous than "38 goals as a winger".

[Tachikoma]

I respect Robert Pires's goal scoring more, balanced against the fact that Arsenal only played the ball to Henry those years.

But I still think himself and Messi are the two best ATM. But Torres should have a fair shout next year.

[Chocochip]

HE takes all the fricken free kicks and penalties...against terrible goalies. Does anyone expect him not to get a bunch of goals when all his teammates draw in fouls due to nice touches? He himself never draws on so much to where he can get a freekick.

[Hibari Kyoya]

lol 1 star thread u forget ronaldo is a winger

[Tachikoma]

What position he plays and what function he serves for the team are two different issues.

[Aokiji]

What position he plays and what function he serves for the team are two different issues.

He doesn't spend 90% of the time in the box. Yet he's top scorer. :Impressive, yet?

[Tachikoma]

Doesn't matter where he runs around if he's the teams attacking focal point.

[ostrich]

Ronaldo is an ass.Ballack should've smacked him today.

[chrisp]

No a chance in hell.

[Aokiji]

Doesn't matter where he runs around if he's the teams attacking focal point.

Sigh.......a striker is most likely to make goals. He is neither a striker, nor does he play as one. I mean, of course he's the focal point of offense, he's the most dangerous player. But usually, even players that are the focal points of their team, don't become top scorer. If you look at the topscorer list, almost only strikers are there. He's not one, yet he outscores them.

[Tachikoma]

If Ruud was in the team, would he have as many goals?

[Aokiji]

Of course not.

[Tachikoma]

Hence we really need to drop the "as a winger" tag.

He is the focus of the Mancs attacks, IMO Pires' scoring feat were more amazing as I said before.

But all in all this year, Ronaldo > Torres :edu

[Aokiji]

Hence we really need to drop the "as a winger" tag.

Not really.

But if Ruud still played and he scored that much, than it would've been all the more impressive. :awesome

[Gunners]

What Arsenal players exceed expectations? NONE
People weren't expecting us to qualify for the champions league.

Anyway, Adebayor, Cliche, Sagna, Flamini, Walcott ( for the later part), Almunia.

[Tachikoma]

Not really.

But if Ruud still played and he scored that much, than it would've been all the more impressive. :awesome
If Ruud was playin, and he scored that much, Id call him first, second, third, fourth best player in the world.

[MIHAWK]

no chance in hell torres will outshine cristiano

first there is a thing called tactic,when a player is too good u put both quick and strong players onto him,for example ronaldo with milan,he played in the left,the opponent's RB and ambrosini were contantly marking him,some yards away there was gattuso to interfere if he slept away from them either with dribbles,fakes or with his speed

thats called trapping

when u r trapped another player might be unmarked or a couple players have a very big space to act so u must pass the ball quickly to withdraw the attention from u and let a player who has a big space forward the ball in most occasions

notice liverpool's games and u will see torres is never trapped,against arsenal he had all the space in the world to act,against inter only one player was around him,defending a player and defending space are 2 different actions

playing in the wing and going back to get the ball and forward it to the opponents box in less than 10 seconds either with ur speed or dribble or quick exchanging of the ball with ur unmarked team mates due to u being trapped is something that no one does better than ronaldo,ronaldo is the one that makes united so fast and threatening,u saw the differance with united when ronaldo came on

ronaldo does all that together with scoring in every way possible and assisting,torres in the best scenario goes a douzen yards back and passes the ball to the advancing player which usually is gerrard or stop the ball outside the box and pass it to kuyt,other than that all he does is being assisted,he is on the box and expects the others to serve him the ball

u all read what henry said about his left forward role,he said he took the ball on the box and scored and now he has to run 50 yards to score,thats the differance in ronaldo's and torres' position

now if ruud was on the team would ronaldo score that many? that was a trully random statement which is false as well,as a CF u first have to be aware to play before the offside line and break the offside trap by doing the right movement when a player has space to pass the ball to u,then u have to be able to be strong and protect the ball in the box,like drogba did yesterday,on the same time u have to have technique to avoid being cut or the ball being taken,next u have to see in which direction the player who shoots is,where is the keeper and calculate on which direction the bouncing ball will most propably go,when on the box and someone comes from the wing u have to stand in a position where there is a distance between the CBs and u will have room to act,then u must stand still to make the defenders stand still as well and in the right time or when the defenders look the other way uhave to suddenly move so that u will stay unmarked for a while but in that movement u must have some space to run so that u can be passes the ball AND not drawn offside,now u can do a fake in the movement do be free for a second,when the ball is bound to come to u cuz u r the only person in the box u must choose a right place where u both have space to shoot or break the defence by passing the ball quickly to man that is has a boost inside the box

all these things are done by 1 player,the better the CF is the bigger the trapping in the box will be so it is crucial that u r good enough to keep the ball and pass it

what does this mean? if ronaldo played with a good CF now like ruud due to the CF's right movements and play in the box ronaldo would get more space cuz he wouldnt be the only player marked,when a CF keeps the ball in the box and helps u not lose it in there sudenly u have a game in the box as well and u dont stop to the zone outside the box,so there are more spaces to move to,so when ronaldo gets in the box the opponents should think not only for ronaldo's individual movement to score but that he might as well pass it to the CF,so they have to leave him more space to be able to interfere with a pass and finally when a CF is in the box he can play with the back on the goal,do a sudden movement fake the shot and pass it to ronaldo

the better the players in any position the better each player plays,even if ronaldo had a decent right back when he plays on the right he wouldnt have to mark and assist him,if united had a CMF like fabregas (anderson will be one day :swtf) then ronaldo wouldnt need to come back and get the ball to forward it or leave the wing and do the playmaker,if ronaldo had a CF like ruud then united would have a play in the box,the CF would need to get trapped as well in the box and ronaldo could find more space to move and exchange the ball better in the box

so the answer is yes,if there was a decent CF ronaldo would have gotten more goals and much more assists,see it for urself when u play,if u go into a 5x5 and play when do u play better as an individual,when u have better players than will pass the ball better to u and correct some mistakes u done or when u play with lousy teamates?

the CF has only a tiny job to do,inside the box and mostly near the keeper's area,his play is desicive for the attacking game but without speed and technique or when he plays with a defensive team with high expirienced defenders he cant assist the team,this where his partner comes in and most importantly the midfield

that is why the midfield is much more decisive and praised from the attack,even if ronaldo had 20 goals he would still be better than torres

and another thing,how many hat tricks has torres done? how many goals has he scored on fodder cup matches? ronaldo scores at least one in 2 out of 3 games he plays,that's their differance

if numbers meant anything then ruud would win the PFA award some years back and not henry who played in the same position as well but what made henry shine more was the role he had on the field that was much more difficult than ruud's

ronaldo>>>>>>torres,also ronaldo is younger

[Toffeeman]

Err...

Ronaldo is a midfielder, Torres is a striker.

The fact that Ronaldo has scored more goals than Torres this season from his position says a lot..

[Arachnia]

Err...

Ronaldo is a midfielder, Torres is a striker.

The fact that Ronaldo has scored more goals than Torres this season from his position says a lot..

True. I don't even see how you can compare what Torres is doing now to what Ronaldo has been doing for the last 2 seasons...