Shirley getting her memory changed... Again.

[Sasuke X]

If there's one thing that annoyed me about the whole memory wipe thing more than anything else it's how Shirley has been turned into a worthless character as a result. I really thought the side-story with Shirley re-discovering Zero's identity was going to go somewhere...she actually seemed like an important character instead of just orange haired fan service. What exactly was the point of Shirley finding the note and coming close to discovering Zero's identity? It ended up being a waste of effort.

I liked how Lelouch handled removing all her memories regarding him in S1: He was obviously hurt at losing a friend, yet he did the only thing he could to make her feel better. The scene where Lelouch made out they were just playing a game and ignoring each other, looking hurt throughout, was rather touching. I wanted to see more scenes like that in S2...

One of the things I had had looked forward to seeing in S2 was how Lelouch would handle Shirley: He couldn't have geassed her again and, unlike before, she had no feelings for him due to her memories being removed. Would he have actually ignored his feelings and killed her? - That's a mystery we will now most likely never know the answer to.

Anyway, how do you feel about what the second memory wipe has done to Shirley's character and the plot?

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

If anything I just feel that the character known as Shirley is for all intents and purposes back at where we had her at the beginning of the first season of Code Geass... and that is NOT a good thing as I see it, because it feels as if it sort of.. nullified all character development and the like she had made in season one (like, what was the whole point of the focus she got in season 1?) - and as things are now, I rather doubt that she's going to play an all THAT big/important role.

It all sort of gives me the feeling that the only reason that the Ashford Academy came back in Season 2 was so that the student council could reappear and have some sort of role to play as well - or perhaps the reverse; the student council came back in season 2 so that there'd be an excuse for the Ashford Academy to appear...

[xpto]

She'll find out again, only to forget. Again. :zaru

Mid, late-season, i want EVERYONE to discover who Zero is.

[Sasuke X]

If anything I just feel that the character known as Shirley is for all intents and purposes back at where we had her at the beginning of the first season of Code Geass... and that is NOT a good thing as I see it, because it feels as if it sort of.. nullified all character development and the like she had made in season one (like, what was the whole point of the focus she got in season 1?) - and as things are now, I rather doubt that she's going to play an all THAT big/important role.

It all sort of gives me the feeling that the only reason that the Ashford Academy came back in Season 2 was so that the student council could reappear and have some sort of role to play as well - or perhaps the reverse; the student council came back in season 2 so that there'd be an excuse for the Ashford Academy to appear...

We share very similar thoughts, my Swedish-Rollo-spoiler-happy-friend.

It's as if the vast majority of what happened in S1 was made worthless by the developments - Shirley's character being reset wasn't the only issue. I mean, Japan still needs to be conquered, so all the battles and effort put into conquering Japan in S1 were made rather worthless by the Black Knights being defeated and the whole process needing to be repeated.

I don't believe this is how Sunrise originally planned it: I think they either rushed S2 due to the popularity of the series or didn't originally plan for there to be a 2nd season. The way the plot of S1 is being repeated, character progression removed and the forced attempt at recapturing the epicness of S1 makes me not want to believe this is how the story was planned to be.

Moving back to Shirley, she's seemingly just be going to be the annoying 'girlfriend' of Lelouch in S2 and nothing more, making the Ashford sequences even more annoying than they're inevitably going to be. If that's the case, I hope she's raped (hey, might as well get some fan service out of her death!) and murdered very soon.

[IchiTenshou]

She'll find out again, only to forget. Again. :zaru

Mid, late-season, i want EVERYONE to discover who Zero is.

almost everyone love the part where the Hero reaveal his true face ^^

[xpto]

@SasukeX: Dude. You didn't. You didn't. RAGE. :mad

[Souten Kishun]

We share very similar thoughts, my Swedish-Rollo-spoiler-happy-friend.

It's as if the vast majority of what happened in S1 was made worthless by the developments - Shirley's character being reset wasn't the only issue. I mean, Japan still needs to be conquered, so all the battles and effort put into conquering Japan in S1 were made rather worthless by the Black Knights being defeated and the whole process needing to be repeated.

I don't believe this is how Sunrise originally planned it: I think they either rushed S2 due to the popularity of the series or didn't originally plan for there to be a 2nd season. The way the plot of S1 is being repeated, character progression removed and the forced attempt at recapturing the epicness of S1 makes me not want to believe this is how the story was planned to be.

Moving back to Shirley, she's seemingly just be going to be the annoying 'girlfriend' of Lelouch in S2 and nothing more, making the Ashford sequences even more annoying than they're inevitably going to be. If that's the case, I hope she's raped (hey, might as well get some fan service out of her death!) and murdered very soon.

You goddamn fucking asshole. Go to hell.

What the fuck attitude is that. Call me crazy but I've never been so fucking pissed off at some fuckers attitude on a forum until now. That's the shittiest opinion I've ever heard. And I don't even care if that comment was a joke.

.edit. yeah... spoilering this so casuals don't get turned off. Just had to get that out of my system :I

I highly doubt Sunrise would make all that work she did at the end of last season pointless. Let the show play out and see if she'll develop more and make an impact. Sure she just looks like Misa now, but I thought her outing with Lelouch was touching and it helped make that my favorite of the 3 episodes so far.

At this point, sure she's just a twit in most people's eyes, who just lost her whole purpose in the show, but we are only 3 goddamn episodes in. There could well be another twist. The academy folks are back for better or worse, so get over it and stop whining.

[Corran]

^I agree with Koten.

I still think Shirley has a role to play, it may not be as huge as other roles but so far nearly every role has an impact on the show and the events that happen in one way or another.
Even the Class Presidant has a role, she was to be wed to Lloyd, and because of that Nina got advice and was able to build the bomb, everything comes around in this show.

[Fleecy]

Shirley got the short end of the stick since day one. I'm exasperated with it, really; I wanted some more development and for her to discover Lelouch's secret again... because as it is she is just going to be a girl who's being used over and over, which isn't something I have a liking (or patience) for.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

We share very similar thoughts, my Swedish-Rollo-spoiler-happy-friend.

You're still holding a grudge against me for that? :(

It's as if the vast majority of what happened in S1 was made worthless by the developments - Shirley's character being reset wasn't the only issue. I mean, Japan still needs to be conquered, so all the battles and effort put into conquering Japan in S1 were made rather worthless by the Black Knights being defeated and the whole process needing to be repeated.

Sunrise/Clamp might make up for it by having it happen faster this time around (Japan might be liberated by episode 15 or something, for example).

I don't believe this is how Sunrise originally planned it: I think they either rushed S2 due to the popularity of the series or didn't originally plan for there to be a 2nd season. The way the plot of S1 is being repeated, character progression removed and the forced attempt at recapturing the epicness of S1 makes me not want to believe this is how the story was planned to be.

Who knows? All we know is that now season 2 is here and that's it for the better or worse. I do hope they conclude things in this season though.

Moving back to Shirley, she's seemingly just be going to be the annoying 'girlfriend' of Lelouch in S2 and nothing more, making the Ashford sequences even more annoying than they're inevitably going to be. If that's the case, I hope she's raped (hey, might as well get some fan service out of her death!) and murdered very soon.

Now, now, that's a bit too harsh :sweatdrop . For myself, however, I rather hope we won't see too much of her (gets hammered flat by shirley-fans :mallet ) or the student council in general. But I know that this won't happen... <_<.

[Clearmoon]

Moving back to Shirley, she's seemingly just be going to be the annoying 'girlfriend' of Lelouch in S2 and nothing more, making the Ashford sequences even more annoying than they're inevitably going to be. If that's the case, I hope she's raped (hey, might as well get some fan service out of her death!) and murdered very soon.

Wow, talking about going way overboard. She hasn't even done anything annoying yet.

[Tehmk]

Lelouch requires many pussies to pound for his ego, Shirley is just another notch on his king-sized bed.

[Rokudaime]

Shirley is nothing but just a plot device to prevent Lulu to lose every of his humanity as the time goes.

[Tehmk]

Indeed Roku, although Nunally would have been a better person for this. :( Damn the emperor for taking her.

[Sasuke X]

lol @ the Shirley fanboys getting angry. You know you want the hentai a scene like that would generate. :P

I'm simply saying that I hope she doesn't appear too often if her character is going to be nothing more than fan service in S2, and it seems likely she will only be fan service since any importance she had was removed the moment her memory got changed again.

[Tehmk]

I do agree she would have been a important character if she had her memory. :LOS

[Rurushu]

Shirley losing her memory or even getting it back, makes no sense because she never played an important role in the series until the day she found out Zero's real identity.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Shirley is nothing but just a plot device to prevent Lulu to lose every of his humanity as the time goes.

I suppose so; last season that was mostly Nunally's job, this time I suppose it's mostly Shirley & the others of the student council's job to remind Lelouch that he's still human, sorta...

[Tehmk]

I want to see Nunally. :(

[xpto]

lol @ the Shirley fanboys getting angry. You know you want the hentai a scene like that would generate. :P

Random guy rape is pretty common in hentai, so, no.

I'm simply saying that I hope she doesn't appear too often if her character is going to be nothing more than fan service in S2, and it seems likely she will only be fan service since any importance she had was removed the moment her memory got changed again.

Still, no need to say she needs to DIE. What are you, some kind of sadist? Still, i understand your point: if there's a character that's only there, then there's probably no need for that character.

[kunaitoe]

I'd be suprised if she ends up living by the end of the season. There's too many girlfriend-like ladies for Lelouch to have all of them at the end. I expect mass casualties.

[Mider T]

I think she's gonna get a brain tumor from all of the memory wipes.

[Springlake]

For some reason the following thought popped up today in my head:

The plot-reason for having the Student-council mindwiped is so that when they eventually regain their memories (in one way or another) they will rage against the Emperor and give emotional support to Lelouch. Also it serves as additional fuel for Lelouch's rage towards his father :zaru

Or something like that at least :awesome

[Sasuke X]

You're assuming they actually get their memories back.

I don't believe they will: It's not important for the filler school people to support Lelouch and his war against his father. It would make CG even more stupid than it's becoming if Lelouch ended up with the filler characters acting as cheerleaders.

[Watchman]

Let's also consider that in the final part of the Opening, when it shows the two sides facing off against each other, the School Council is on the Britannian side. I don't think they'll be joining the Black Knights any time soon...

[Lil Donkey]

I've only watched the first episode at the moment. But the title name caught my attention 'cause Shirley doing something with the knowledge that Lelouch is also Zero had been one of my reasons of why I wanted R2 to air as soon as possible.

And then, your second post, reasonably, turned my curiosity into anger. You've killed the definition of fan service. Well done. '_'

[Rokudaime]

For some reason the following thought popped up today in my head:

The plot-reason for having the Student-council mindwiped is so that when they eventually regain their memories (in one way or another) they will rage against the Emperor and give emotional support to Lelouch. Also it serves as additional fuel for Lelouch's rage towards his father :zaru

Or something like that at least :awesome

Impossible..They seem hate Zero to the core...Especially when they know that Zero is the reason why Shirley lost her father....Even Shirley hardly to bring herself to forgive Zero...

And again, it kinda lame as well if they cheering for Zero ..It just like I am watching some shonen anime where cheer/love/support/believe have the power to conquer all. ...:notrust

[Mider T]

One slip up wouldn't make Code Geass a lame shounen.

Have some faith for Orange-kun's sake:facepalm

[Jetstorm]

Nullifying a significant amount of character development is never a good thing. Nothing short of getting that memory back will make her all that relevant outside of fanservice I think.

[rockst☆r sin]

Shirley gets mindfucked twice and she's still in love with Lelouch? Talk about commitment.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Shirley gets mindfucked twice and she's still in love with Lelouch? Talk about commitment.

Well, it's not like she KNOWS that she has been mindfucked :laugh . One would think that her subconsicous would warn her about getting close to Lelouch, though... <_<.

[Tehmk]

Well, it's not like she KNOWS that she has been mindfucked :laugh . One would think that her subconsicous would warn her about getting close to Lelouch, though... <_<.

Thus is the wonders of Geass, its THOROUGH. :lmao

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Thus is the wonders of Geass, its THOROUGH. :lmao

I dunno, didn't Lelouch have a hunch all along that things were not right?

[Jetstorm]

I dunno, didn't Lelouch have a hunch all along that things were not right?

The Emperor was sloppy while re-writing his memories. :pek

For all we know it could have been a damn long time since he last used his Geass[/completelybaselesspost]

[Tehmk]

The Emperor was sloppy while re-writing his memories. :pek

For all we know it could have been a damn long time since he last used his Geass[/completelybaselesspost]

That is actually a valid point. :LOS

I dunno, didn't Lelouch have a hunch all along that things were not right?

He has Geass, could have played a factor, or he's just plain genius.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

He has Geass, could have played a factor, or he's just plain genius.

True enough... Or he's just observant/perceptive enough to notice when something's out of the picture, sorta <_<.

[Souten Kishun]

lol @ the Shirley fanboys getting angry. You know you want the hentai a scene like that would generate. :P

Sorry I'm not a twisted jackass. I actually give a shit about the characters. I'm a perv too but I'm a fan before I'm a perv. Plus rape is disgusting and doesn't turn me on. Christ...


I'm simply saying that I hope she doesn't appear too often if her character is going to be nothing more than fan service in S2, and it seems likely she will only be fan service since any importance she had was removed the moment her memory got changed again.

She's never been there only for fan service. She's there to add another relationship dynamic for Lelouch, which is exactly what she did in episode 3. It's still wayyy to early to know how her character will progress so there's no need to worry about it.

[Tehmk]

True enough... Or he's just observant/perceptive enough to notice when something's out of the picture, sorta <_<.

Indeed, although forgetting Nunally is a hard thing to do. :LOS

[Sasuke X]

I actually give a shit about the characters.

I care about her character - Why the hell else would I create a thread about all her character development being erased if I didn't? If you had half a brain you'd have to beat me to creating this thread, you being the official Shirleytard around 'ere and all.

Plus rape doesn't turn me on.

You should really try it; rape porn really is great. :nod

Especially since you seem to only see her as a piece of ass.

Um, she's an animated character, brought to life from drawings. You sound like a loser getting so worked up over how I'm talking about your favourite Geass bitch.

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Indeed, although forgetting Nunally is a hard thing to do. :LOS

Well, Rollo was placed there in her stead.. :LOS

[xpto]

Um, she's an animated character, brought to life from drawings.

And you fap to her. :edu

[Souten Kishun]

I care about her character - Why the hell else would I create a thread about all her character development being erased if I didn't? If you had half a brain you'd have to beat me to creating this thread, you being the official Shirleytard around 'ere and all.

I don't rush to judgement.


You should really try it; rape porn really is great. :nod

Tried it, hate it.


Um, she's an animated character, brought to life from drawings. You sound like a loser getting so worked up over how I'm talking about your favourite Geass bitch.

I took out that last line but you caught me before hand :sag Typing blindly. I noticed you like her more than that.

That's fine if I look like a loser, I just care about my favorite characters.. and wish others would have the same respect.

[superman_1]

dont like her in this show...... just found her annoying for some reason....just imo...

[dspr8_rugged]

What I think about Shirley's second memory alteration is to simply put her out of the picture and remain the clumsy naivete that she is always known for.

And that's a waste.

[Rurushu]

Shirley has never have had a big role in the series,she is occasionaly there for the fan service and for playing up to the the Lulu personage that Lelouch puts on in the Ashford Academy.

[Severnaruto]

Shirley has never have had a big role in the series,she is occasionaly there for the fan service and for playing up to the the Lulu personage that Lelouch puts on in the Ashford Academy.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I have a feeling that the Geass will wear out soon, and that she'll remember what happened, and also, of Lelouch's identity as Zero. I'm hoping it does happen, simply because it would make Zero's identity public knowledge, which in turn would get him out of Ashford for good.

[Fleecy]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. I have a feeling that the Geass will wear out soon, and that she'll remember what happened, and also, of Lelouch's identity as Zero. I'm hoping it does happen, simply because it would make Zero's identity public knowledge, which in turn would get him out of Ashford for good.

That's a good theory, but I thought the Emperor altered her memories again so it wouldn't wear off that soon.

I want Shirley to play a bigger role this season. She's the only part of Ashford that's not really filler (though I like Ashford nonetheless :zaru).