Why do I prefer Lulu over Light?

[Goodfellow]

Alright, time for some deep philosophizing:zaru

To begin with, I'd be lying if I said you can't see any connection between Yagami Light and Lelouch Lamperouge. Reasons for this are several, but let's just conclude that if it weren't for Death Note, Lelouch would probably exist, as Death Note really cleared the field for a new breed of main characters in popular anime. The intellectual chessmasters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChessmaster).
(You can argue against this if you really have to)


Anyway, even though you definitely can draw parallels between Lulu and Light, they differ pretty much. But exactly how much? They are both highly egoistical idealists that have no problems with killing to create their own idea of an utopia. But still I find Light to be "evil", the badguy, the prick, the asshole while I at the same time think that Lelouch is fighting for a justified goal. Maybe not through clean methods, but I can accept the sacrifices necessary.

Seems kinda hypocritical of me, right? So, what the big difference between our two "heroes" that makes me differentiate between them?

[Zaru]

Lulu is more "human". He cares a lot more about others than Light does.

AT LEAST IT SEEMED LIKE THAT TO ME

[Fleecy]

Of course. Light was meant to be the bad guy, even though he was the protagonist. Unlike Lelouch, he doesn't have much of a heart, but you can credit Light for having a greater intellect.

[mislead]

Light was a delusional sociopath; he either didn't want to, or couldn't form normal relationships with other humans. This made him fairly uninteresting as a character. His plans were interesting, his goals were interesting, the world's reaction to all of these things was interesting, but Light himself was rather plain.

Lelouch, on the other hand, is a normal human, though aguably an evil, manipulative bastard. He actually connects with people on a personal level, and these interactions make him much more complex and interesting. I'd argue that CG is, as a whole, a character-driven show, and that Lelouch's ingenious plans are, more often than not, overshadowed by the character-related events.

tldr; version: Light was alone. Lelouch is not.

[illusion]

Light was a delusional sociopath; he either didn't want to, or couldn't form normal relationships with other humans. This made him fairly uninteresting as a character. His plans were interesting, his goals were interesting, the world's reaction to all of these things was interesting, but Light himself was rather plain.

I have to completely disagree with your opinion about Light. I thought he was one of the more interesting characters in any anime. I didn't know if I was rooting for him or against, I found myself pissed off at the end because deep down I wanted to see him suceed (or atleast not go out the way he did).

His charisma and intellect was what drew me in and I don't know how you could call him uninteresting.

I've never watched Code Geass, but now I'm very interested in this character, looks like I've got a new anime to watch. :)

[Zarigani]

You can't compare them. Yagami Light is one of the most special anime character ever, but it's Code Geass as a whole that will surpass Death Note/L~Yagami.

[Fleecy]

Pssh, L alone solos (oops, that was redundant) the CGverse no matter how good it is. :pek

[Lo$tris]

Light is evil, Lulu is not. NOTHING would stop Light to achieve his goals, whereas with Lulu, you have seen in part 1 how he had abandoned the whole operation for his sister (I can't say I like that :/). Also, Light think nothing of the people around him, while Lulu appreciate them. Initially, Lulu was driven by revenge, as for Light...it had been a matter of simply having the power. Well after all this I can say I prefer Light, I love evil :love

But to be honest, if you think about it, Light and Lulu are VERY different characters, the only 2 common things between them IMO are they are both super smart (and have supernatural power by chance) and want to creat their idea of an ideal world.

[Fleecy]

But to be honest, if you think about it, Light and Lulu are VERY different characters, the only 2 common things between them IMO are they are both super smart (and have supernatural power by chance) and want to creat their idea of an ideal world.

But those two common things are two very big things. There's no denying that Light and Lelouch at least have the same base archetype. Not to mention they're egotistical, self-righteous, popular, and both are liars/manipulators and sore losers/crybabies when they can't win.

[Lo$tris]

You can't compare them. Yagami Light is one of the most special anime character ever, but it's Code Geass as a whole that will surpass Death Note/L~Yagami.
Totally agree with this, I like Lulu, but Light character is special and original.

But those two common things are two very big things. There's no denying that Light and Lelouch at least have the same base archetype. Not to mention they're egotistical, self-righteous, popular, and both are liars/manipulators and sore losers/crybabies when they can't win.

hmmm these characterestics are kinda common in many animes characters, still I can see where you're coming from.
Well, Light and Lulu are similar yet the differences between them are numerous.

[mislead]

I have to completely disagree with your opinion about Light. I thought he was one of the more interesting characters in any anime. I didn't know if I was rooting for him or against, I found myself pissed off at the end because deep down I wanted to see him suceed (or atleast not go out the way he did).

His charisma and intellect was what drew me in and I don't know how you could call him uninteresting.

I've never watched Code Geass, but now I'm very interested in this character, looks like I've got a new anime to watch. :)

Perhaps "uninteresting" wasn't exactly the word I was looking for. That's why I tried to point out that I actually did find DN and Light's antics interesting altogether. I suppose another way of phrasing my opinion, would be saying that Light lacked depth and complexity. Truthfully, these are qualities that are usually expressed through real interactions between characters, in which Light wasn't too involved. He had, what, two real relationships with other characters throughout the series? One with Ryuk, which was a sort of partnership in crime, and the rivalry with L (which wasn't direct).

Furthermore, aside from Light's transformation in the first few chapters, he remained pretty much the same throughout the series, and it was fairly obvious who he was from the very beginning.

Note that, despite all these things, I really liked him, and consider pre-timeskip DN one of my favourite pieces of manga. Also, do watch CG, I wonder what you'll think of Lelouch.

But those two common things are two very big things. There's no denying that Light and Lelouch at least have the same base archetype. Not to mention they're egotistical, self-righteous, popular, and both are liars/manipulators and sore losers/crybabies when they can't win.

Those are fairly superficial though. For one, intelligence is just a mechanical property of the mind, it doesn't really influence one's personality or beliefs. It makes them solve problems in a similar way, but doesn't say anything about the similarities of their psyches.

Secondly, even though it may seem that both Lelouch and Light wish to change the world to their liking, there is a huge difference in emphasis. For Light, changing the world was a well-defined and straightforward idea; he knew exactly how he wanted the world to be, and what he needed to do to recreate it. It was also the sole reason for all of his actions, his one and only driving force. Lelouch, on the other hand, is mainly motivated by revenge, on Brittania, on his father, and by the desire to solve the mystery of his mother's murder. It is fairly obvious, to me at least, that the "creating a new world for Nunally" is something that is to be achieved only after everything else is taken care of. There are also no specifics to this project, Lelouch never elaborates upon the idea, and more often than not, it seems like he uses it as a general motivator for himself, rather than a true ideal.

EDIT: Holy shit, I really need cut down on the text next time.

[Sunuvmann]

Lulu actually has a soul? :zaru

[Fleecy]

Those are fairly superficial though. For one, intelligence is just a mechanical property of the mind, it doesn't really influence one's personality or beliefs. It makes them solve problems in a similar way, but doesn't say anything about the similarities of their psyches.

Secondly, even though it may seem that both Lelouch and Light wish to change the world to their liking, there is a huge difference in emphasis. For Light, changing the world was a well-defined and straightforward idea; he knew exactly how he wanted the world to be, and what he needed to do to recreate it. It was also the sole reason for all of his actions, his one and only driving force. Lelouch, on the other hand, is mainly motivated by revenge, on Brittania, on his father, and by the desire to solve the mystery of his mother's murder. It is fairly obvious, to me at least, that the "creating a new world for Nunally" is something that is to be achieved only after everything else is taken care of. There are also no specifics to this project, Lelouch never elaborates upon the idea, and more often than not, it seems like he uses it as a general motivator for himself, rather than a true ideal.

EDIT: Holy shit, I really need cut down on the text next time.

But that is comparing their motives and intentions rather than personality, which was what I was referring to. They do have a lot of difference when it comes to plans. You can only be so original when you're creating a character frame (well actually, you can't; everything has already been done before and only modifications exist, as nowadays everything has been spurned from a prior source). Aside from the whole "Lelouch has a heart, Light doesn't", their personalities and sense of justice are generally similar.

[Rokudaime]

I guess like Lulu more than Light because Lulu actually care for his friends and comrade..while Light basically kill anything that try to stop him...

At least, Lulu was crying after he killed some important person to him while Light just laughed and kinda proud with his action..Just as planned, anyone?

[Nmaster64]

Light > Lulu, because Light didn't break down every time things didn't start to go his way. Sans the very end, Light maintained his cool through the whole show. Lulu loses it the second things start not going to plan and he realizes he might die.

Love 'em both to death, but Light's got more badass points over Lelouch. Lulu still has some growing up to do, he's still too pussy. :LOS

[PradaBrada]

Why do I prefer Lulu over Light?

Simple, I don't :sag

[mislead]

But that is comparing their motives and intentions rather than personality, which was what I was referring to. They do have a lot of difference when it comes to plans. You can only be so original when you're creating a character frame (well actually, you can't; everything has already been done before and only modifications exist, as nowadays everything has been spurned from a prior source). Aside from the whole "Lelouch has a heart, Light doesn't", their personalities and sense of justice are generally similar.

Well, you called having similar goals a "big thing", so I thought I'd put that into perspective. Actually, I do agree that they share a series of characteristics, which can mostly be traced to them both being smart and arrogant, for the most part. However, Lelouch, for example, has a penchant for drama and theatrical, monumental gestures, while Light was minimalistic in that regard. Furthermore, Lelouch is a great leader, with a lot of charisma and personal magnetism (you simply cannot achieve the results he had achieved by just being a good liar); Light didn't trust other people, and was very reluctant to allow his "cultists" to carry out any task of greater importance; their relation wasn't that of a leader and subordinate, but a God and a follower.

Finally, I disagree on the "sense of justice" similarity. Lelouch's sense of justice is a simple principle of equality: People should be treated equally, ignoring contemporary qualities, like status, wealth, or power. Light, on the other hand, thought that the "evil" humans were dragging humanity down, and that it was just to eliminate them completely, for the good of the majority. These are significantly different; for example, the first is egalitarian (all humans deserve to be treated equally), while the other, elitist (only the worthy deserve to live).

[Shiraishi]

I find Lelouch more human and actually has feelings. Light was a better character to watch, but Lelouch is the one I prefer in the end. He has feelings for women, family, and a lot of things. He is actually doing something that is for others than himself. Light just turned out crazy, and he had no friends in the world.

He only had one goal: Be God

[Nmaster64]

I find Lelouch more human and actually has feelings.

That's his greatest weakness and why I find Light superior... :zaru

[mislead]

That's his greatest weakness and why I find Light superior... :zaru

You find Light a better character because he's a robot? :zaru

[Shiraishi]

You know what happened to Light, right?

[Nmaster64]

You find Light a better character because he's a robot?I find Light a better character 'cuz I love his ideals (Lulu's just out for revenge), he's more mature, he can actually fight hand-to-hand, and he's more logically guided than emotionally...

He kills criminals and doesn't afraid of anything. :zaru

You know what happened to Light, right?The writers had no balls? I highly doubt the CG ones will either, I don't expect a good ending for Lelouche fans at the end of CG...sadly...

[Fleecy]

Well, you called having similar goals a "big thing", so I thought I'd put that into perspective. Actually, I do agree that they share a series of characteristics, which can mostly be traced to them both being smart and arrogant, for the most part. However, Lelouch, for example, has a penchant for drama and theatrical, monumental gestures, while Light was minimalistic in that regard. Furthermore, Lelouch is a great leader, with a lot of charisma and personal magnetism (you simply cannot achieve the results he had achieved by just being a good liar); Light didn't trust other people, and was very reluctant to allow his "cultists" to carry out any task of greater importance; their relation wasn't that of a leader and subordinate, but a God and a follower.

Finally, I disagree on the "sense of justice" similarity. Lelouch's sense of justice is a simple principle of equality: People should be treated equally, ignoring contemporary qualities, like status, wealth, or power. Light, on the other hand, thought that the "evil" humans were dragging humanity down, and that it was just to eliminate them completely, for the good of the majority. These are significantly different; for example, the first is egalitarian (all humans deserve to be treated equally), while the other, elitist (only the worthy deserve to live).

Lelouch has a very theatrical flair. To quote a member from the Black Knights when he first saw Zero, "I didn't think he was such a ham." :lmao That cape flaunting and dramatic speech-voice are just a bit over the top. Light is a great deal more internal than Lelouch, preferring to divert attention away from himself (though he gains attention anyway) rather than expose himself in frontal view like Lelouch does, though he has an outfit as a coverup. I agree with all of the statements you've made, but by "sense of justice" I mean it in how they perceive and respond to "wrong/immoral people" (but Light's actions are far more extreme whilst Lelouch humiliates them instead of killing them off).

As for my personal preference (wow, and that was the main point of the thread), I like Lelouch better. I think Light is superior in regards to intellect and his intense outlook, but Lelouch is a more charismatic character. Light is quite scary, and I love how Death Note gives us a glimpse into the mind of someone ordinary--albeit very smart--and slowly transforming into a true villain (while during the series I was conflicted on whether or not he was truly evil, because watching the protagonist carry out evil deeds really makes it difficult). His coldhearted and scathing approach is chilling, and all in all I think he is a better character than Lelouch (because if the author makes someone hate a character very much, who is the main character no less, that character is actually very well made). But being a "better character" in my opinion doesn't necessarily mean I like Light over Lelouch.

[Nmaster64]

Lelouch has a very theatrical flair. To quote a member from the Black Knights when he first saw Zero, "I didn't think he was such a ham." :lmao That cape flaunting and dramatic speech-voice are just a bit over the top. Light is a great deal more internal than Lelouch, preferring to divert attention away from himself (though he gains attention anyway) rather than expose himself in frontal view like Lelouch does, though he has an outfit as a coverup. I agree with all of the statements you've made, but by "sense of justice" I mean it in how they perceive and respond to "wrong/immoral people" (but Light's actions are far more extreme whilst Lelouch humiliates them instead of killing them off).

As for my personal preference (wow, and that was the main point of the thread), I like Lelouch better. I think Light is superior in regards to intellect and his intense outlook, but Lelouch is a more charismatic character. Light is quite scary, and I love how Death Note gives us a glimpse into the mind of someone ordinary--albeit very smart--and slowly transforming into a true villain (while during the series I was conflicted on whether or not he was truly evil, because watching the protagonist carry out evil deeds really makes it difficult). His coldhearted and scathing approach is chilling, and all in all I think he is a better character than Lelouch (because if the author makes someone hate a character very much, who is the main character no less, that character is actually very well made). But being a "better character" in my opinion doesn't necessarily mean I like Light over Lelouch.

This guy. Grade A post, well put and brief. :kthumb

Fleecy and my taste may differ slightly, but I agree 110% with that analysis... :nod

[mislead]

I find Light a better character 'cuz I love his ideals (Lulu's just out for revenge), he's more mature, he can actually fight hand-to-hand, and he's more logically guided than emotionally...

Well, in all honesty, his ideals would have probably led to a completely totalitarian world, with Light as the proverbial Big Brother.


He kills criminals and doesn't afraid of anything. :zaru


Just like Jack Bauer!


As for my personal preference (wow, and that was the main point of the thread), I like Lelouch better. I think Light is superior in regards to intellect and his intense outlook, but Lelouch is a more charismatic character. Light is quite scary, and I love how Death Note gives us a glimpse into the mind of someone ordinary--albeit very smart--and slowly transforming into a true villain (while during the series I was conflicted on whether or not he was truly evil, because watching the protagonist carry out evil deeds really makes it difficult). His coldhearted and scathing approach is chilling, and all in all I think he is a better character than Lelouch (because if the author makes someone hate a character very much, who is the main character no less, that character is actually very well made). But being a "better character" in my opinion doesn't necessarily mean I like Light over Lelouch.

Ok.

In reference to the bolded part, do you apply this principle to Suzaku too? :LOS

[Fleecy]

Thanks nmaster. :)

In reference to the bolded part, do you apply this principle to Suzaku too? :LOS

Oh, yes. But it just so happens that Suzaku is my favorite character, bwahaha. :LOS

[Nmaster64]

Well, in all honesty, his ideals would have probably led to a completely totalitarian world, with Light as the proverbial Big Brother.I agree with him, so that's all that matters... :zaru
Just like Jack Bauer!:gar

Oh, yes. But it just so happens that Suzaku is my favorite character, bwahaha. :LOSI take back what I said, this guy is out of his mind... :sun



:awesome

[Fleecy]

I take back what I said, this guy is out of his mind... :sun



:awesome

No takebacks! :nuts

I'm a girl by the way. :P

[Nmaster64]

I'm a girl by the way. :P

That explains it... :awesome

[mislead]

Oh, yes. But it just so happens that Suzaku is my favorite character, bwahaha. :LOS

Your evil laughter is useless against me, since I actually like Suzaku too. Though not for the person he is, but for what does to the story. As a person, he's rather pitiful. And the fact that the fandom hates his guts doesn't help. :)


:gar


Say, if, at the end of DN, Light simply said "Fuck it.", took a samurai sword, and slaughtered Near and his goons, you'd actually like it, wouldn't you?

[Fleecy]

Your evil laughter is useless against me, since I actually like Suzaku too. Though not for the person he is, but for what does to the story. As a person, he's rather pitiful. And the fact that the fandom hates his guts doesn't help. :)

I like Suzaku for who he is and what he does, even if he's dumber than a rock. :nod The fandom hating Suzaku just fuels my liking for him more, and since I heard that he was supposed to be the "#1 hateable character", I scrutinized him carefully while watching the series for the first time. I blame the CG fandom for making him my favorite character, and Kallen my most hated. :LOS

[Nmaster64]

Say, if, at the end of DN, Light simply said "Fuck it.", took a samurai sword, and slaughtered Near and his goons, you'd actually like it, wouldn't you?:facepalm

Have you seen Indiana Jones?

Guns beat swords. :awesome

He just shoulda not gone into epic handwriting mode with the watch. :sag

But it's okay...
http://i31.tinypic.com/33z2rzo.gif
...'cuz the most epic laugh in history makes up for it. :awesome

[Rokudaime]

:facepalm

Have you seen Indiana Jones?

Guns beat swords. :awesome

He just shoulda not gone into epic handwriting mode with the watch. :sag

But it's okay...
http://i31.tinypic.com/33z2rzo.gif
...'cuz the most epic laugh in history makes up for it. :awesome

That epic laugh cant even compare to Lelouche's laugh in th end of episode 23...:nuts

[Saruto]

sore losers/crybabies when they can't win.

I'd have to disagree with that. Every time Lelouch has faced defeat or death he hasn't broken down and lost his marbles like Light (I really didn't expect Light to react that way either but whatever) but he gets angry. In S1 when he was about to get shot by those Britannian soldiers he got pissed. In R2 right before he was about to die again he got pissed. Even when the Emperor was taking away his memories he didn't cry and beg for his life. Instead he screamed in outrage more than fear it seemed to me. The only time Lelouch has shown fear is when Nunally's life was threatened with Mao.

[~Shin~]

As a character I was more interested with Light. While I don't think Light is some revolutionary character, I found him a lot more unique for a main character as opposed to Lelouch.

I found the whole megalomaniac characteristic of Light much more interesting than Lelouch's hypocrisy. I liked the fact that even though what Light was doing may not be considered morally "right", he had the utmost confidence and belief in what he was doing. Lelouch on the other hand fluctuates a little. At one time, his goal is to protect Nunally then other times it's revenge and then it's the "FREE THE JAPANESE" and blah blah.

Not to mention, Light invented the trademark "JUST AS PLANNED" :awesome

[kulgan18]

Hm maybe because Light went BATSHIT INSANE at the end?.

Lelouch hasnt even reached half of light's disconnection with humanity.

In some ways lelouch hasnt changed in the way that light did.
Light became a completely different person entirely.

I dont know if that makes him more interesting or not. But i understand why it makes lelouch more sympathetic.

Besides there is the nunally factor.

[Nmaster64]

That epic laugh cant even compare to Lelouche's laugh in th end of episode 23...:nutsLelouche has a great just-as-planned face there, but his laugh needs WAAAAAY more evil tint to it...still a ways to go to beat Light's final cackle...
I'd have to disagree with that. Every time Lelouch has faced defeat or death he hasn't broken down and lost his marbles like Light (I really didn't expect Light to react that way either but whatever) but he gets angry. In S1 when he was about to get shot by those Britannian soldiers he got pissed. In R2 right before he was about to die again he got pissed. Even when the Emperor was taking away his memories he didn't cry and beg for his life. Instead he screamed in outrage more than fear it seemed to me. The only time Lelouch has shown fear is when Nunally's life was threatened with Mao.:facepalm

No, he was scared. CC even pointed out he was panicking. "I-I'll be killed!" That's not anger, that's fear, and that's him starting to lose his cool. And that's not the first time. Light is much more mature and confident in that regard. Lelouche hasn't the resolve of Light.

I really hate arguing this point though because Lelouche is one of my favorite characters regardless if he's a still a step under Light or not.
Lelouch hasnt even reached half of light's disconnection with humanity.Series ain't over yet, and I can only hope he does. He'd be way cooler. :LOS

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Series ain't over yet, and I can only hope he does. He'd be way cooler. :LOS

It may be that he'll end up that way, in the worst case... But I really hope not :(

[Wesley]

All I know is that Lulu's VA has performed as characters that I've actually liked. Light's only got Light and...Setsuna F. Saya under his belt. :oh

[Nmaster64]

It may be that he'll end up that way, in the worst case... But I really hope not :(Come to the dark side. We have cookies. :LOS

All I know is that Lulu's VA has performed as characters that I've actually liked. Light's only got Light and...Setsuna F. Saya under his belt. :ohOh come on. I know Lulu's was in Gankutsuou, Hellsing, and I love him in xxxHolic...but Light is Kiba (Wolf's Rain), Moondoggie, and he's Japan's Willy Wonka! :nuts


Edit: Just watched Soul Eater #2, and guess what?

http://i30.tinypic.com/1zyzhj4.jpg

[DarkLordOfKichiku]

Come to the dark side. We have cookies. :LOS

Nah, thank you :P
Personally I like Lelouch the way he is; a sort of grey character whose methods may not the best, but still has good intentions. Sort of like Gatts in berserk. And I'm hoping for him to stay that way, instead of falling further downwards than he already has, so to speak...

[Nominal23]

Light gave us this screenshot of epic proportions though!

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9603/justasplannedsf4.jpg

Seriously though:

Lelouch has a very theatrical flair. To quote a member from the Black Knights when he first saw Zero, "I didn't think he was such a ham." :lmao That cape flaunting and dramatic speech-voice are just a bit over the top. Light is a great deal more internal than Lelouch, preferring to divert attention away from himself (though he gains attention anyway) rather than expose himself in frontal view like Lelouch does, though he has an outfit as a coverup. I agree with all of the statements you've made, but by "sense of justice" I mean it in how they perceive and respond to "wrong/immoral people" (but Light's actions are far more extreme whilst Lelouch humiliates them instead of killing them off).

As for my personal preference (wow, and that was the main point of the thread), I like Lelouch better. I think Light is superior in regards to intellect and his intense outlook, but Lelouch is a more charismatic character. Light is quite scary, and I love how Death Note gives us a glimpse into the mind of someone ordinary--albeit very smart--and slowly transforming into a true villain (while during the series I was conflicted on whether or not he was truly evil, because watching the protagonist carry out evil deeds really makes it difficult). His coldhearted and scathing approach is chilling, and all in all I think he is a better character than Lelouch (because if the author makes someone hate a character very much, who is the main character no less, that character is actually very well made). But being a "better character" in my opinion doesn't necessarily mean I like Light over Lelouch.

This is a good synoposis of the 2 characters. I think the biggest thing Lelouch has going for him atm is that he's still alive, heh. Still, I like Light better, just. His character is a lot more interesting than many I've seen in any series, that and Mamoru Miyano is legendary as his VA.

Yay post #400. :lmao

[Hidd3N_NiN]

I prefer Light to Lelouch as well. Lelouch while having a more humanistic side is still kinda hypocritical in a sense while Light is fully determined in what he believes in. It was also more entertaining to see him fall from grace into a full-blown villain compared to Lelouch.

I also cannot agree to the person who said Light can't form normal relationships. He had a normal life from the start. Not to mention he was very good at the social game (He was able to pick up relationships with girls, charm Takada into working for her, subtly interrogate a ex-CIA agent, Naomi without her even noticing) The only reason u would believe he can't form social relationships is that 3/4 of the series, he is surrounded by all his enemies and he has no wish to make friends with them.

[Shiraishi]

I just like the fact where we don't know where Lelouch is going. Is he going to go into the depressions of darkness and forget about the good of humanity, or will he do what is right for everyone and his love ones around him? With Light, you always knew that he was set on one point. He cared about himself and himself only. Everyone else was secondary nature to him. There was no surprise on where he would go next.

[Nmaster64]

He cared about himself and himself only. Everyone else was secondary nature to him.

Stop reminding me of his awesomeness, you're gonna make me start squealing like a fangirl... :iria

[Saiko]

MATSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDAAAA

[Batman]

Lelouch still has his humanity because he still (in a sense) has Nunnally. Light on the other hand was never evil. It was the power of the death note that corrupted him, slowly draining his humanity regardless of his actions. That's why he came across as an egotistical prick, Lelouch on the other hand seems to play the part naturally. But if/when Lulu looses his sis, what then? What will he be fighting for on a personal level?

I think I like them both equally.

[kulgan18]

Come to the dark side. We have cookies. :LOS

Oh come on. I know Lulu's was in Gankutsuou, Hellsing, and I love him in xxxHolic...but Light is Kiba (Wolf's Rain), Moondoggie, and he's Japan's Willy Wonka! :nuts

Edit: Just watched Soul Eater #2, and guess what?

http://i30.tinypic.com/1zyzhj4.jpg

Wasnt Light also Tamaki on ouran high school host club?
talk about playing opposite characters.

Amazing seiyu right there...EDIT:also i think he won yet another award but am not sure for which character.

[Fleecy]

Wasnt Light also Tamaki on ouran high school host club?
talk about playing opposite characters.

Amazing seiyu right there...EDIT:also i think he won yet another award for his performance of setsuna on the tokyo anime fair, how many awards makes that now?

That he is. :LOS

Light is played by Mamoru Miyano (ex. Tamaki from Ouran High School Host Club) and Lelouch is played by Jun Fukuyama (ex. Yumichika from Bleach); both actors have won awards for their performances. Personally I like Jun's feminine kind of voice, but Mamoru takes it for voice range and a superior evil laugh. Light's laugh at the end > any of Lelouch's laughs thus far.

[Destiny1027]

Alright, time for some deep philosophizing:zaru

To begin with, I'd be lying if I said you can't see any connection between Yagami Light and Lelouch Lamperouge. Reasons for this are several, but let's just conclude that if it weren't for Death Note, Lelouch would probably exist, as Death Note really cleared the field for a new breed of main characters in popular anime. The intellectual chessmasters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheChessmaster).
(You can argue against this if you really have to)


Anyway, even though you definitely can draw parallels between Lulu and Light, they differ pretty much. But exactly how much? They are both highly egoistical idealists that have no problems with killing to create their own idea of an utopia. But still I find Light to be "evil", the badguy, the prick, the asshole while I at the same time think that Lelouch is fighting for a justified goal. Maybe not through clean methods, but I can accept the sacrifices necessary.

Seems kinda hypocritical of me, right? So, what the big difference between our two "heroes" that makes me differentiate between them?
I agree with everything you said there. Lelouch is in a period where there is war and chaos. In war even the innocent die at times it can't be avoided, but Light just can't seem accept that the world cannot be perfect.
I mean there was petty crime like rape that motivated him to make the world a better place... he did have good intentions at FIRST but then he wanted to kill people who were lazy and weren't productive enough. WTF?! O.o
In this world not all evil can be vanquished. Light had a impossible goal and become obsessed with killing.

[Isuzu]

Lelouch is hotter and has a better main yaoi pairing (ew LxLight is so boring xD)

...

RURUSHU
SUUUZAK

oh and
Tamaki = new Matsuda
BETTER Matsuda

[DeathGuise_of_Oblivion]

For me the difference is the motivations for their actions. Light is a selfish bastard with absolutely no redeeming qualities in the least bit. But thats why we loved him. We loved Light because when given the option of good and evil, he took the third option of the batshitinsanemuthafucker-holycrapitworked-exactlyasplanned! route. He took the term selfish son of a bitch to levels of extreme I doubt we will ever see again. But then again, thats why we loved him. We loved him because he was the anti-thesis of the regular Shoenen Hero we saw in Jump. And, for the sake of repetition, we loved him for it.

Lelouch is just a teency bit less selfish and quite a bit more emotional. His greatest flaw is that he actually cares and loves his friends quite dearly. When he has a battle in the palm of his hand, one thing goes wrong. Nunnally goes missing. Does he finish up the battle, gain his nation, and deal with it in the aftermath? No, he goes insane, figures out where she is, and abandons EVERYTHING for her. She is his greatest weakness. He cared too much and refused to sacrifice her for the sake of the rest of the world or for his own desires. The only time when he deliberately hurts her, its to hide the truth of his actions which will result in the thing that will hurt her most: his death.

The prime difference between the two characters, is really how they died. Light did everything he could to keep himself from death. Even begging Ryuuk to kill N and all his enemies. In the end, he was shot and forced to see everything he had built over the years, torn asunder. He died, in reality, the way he would, in reality, likely die. Alone. Just the way he lived. Realistically speaking, he died like a coward.


Lelouch on the other hand, died like a martyr. He, in the end, did his most atrocious actions in order to gain all the hate the world had to give, took it upon himself, and staged his death. His final line in the series shows his truest ambition. One where he destroyed a world of hate and created a world of kindness. In the end he accomplished what Light couldn't. He became the creator/god of a new world.


:awesome

[Destiny1027]

OMG! That was awesome =D

Light did die like a coward and Lelouch did die like a martyr...I love all the points you brought up.

[Tyrael]

Lelouch lacks the subtlety and depth Light has-Lelouch's characterisation is really unbalanced and only on a purely superficial level. He is shown to care about people, yet that contradicts what he is able to do with only the tiniest bit of mental punishment. This, I found, meant Lelouch only had any credibility on a shallow level as his personality, intelligence and behaviour is filled with contradictions.

The idea that a man can commit such atrocities and move people about like pawns whilst never being phased by this is, yet keeping up the caring for his friends is hardly plausible. The supposed extra dynamic to his character is just compromising depth for that light anime feel that stops viewers from thinking too hard. His morale ideas also devalue his supposed intelligence, considering just how weak they are.

Then again, I may feel that because CG's portrayal of a dystopian world was never convincing at all. Sure, the name was a nice touch, but other than that it hardly seems oppressive.

Perhaps, considering this rant is quickly derailing, I should talk about Light. Light knew the concept of morality is purely subject to social whims and that the winner is the one that is right: standards, after all, grow and change. The view presented in CG is far more flat, touting Nunnally often despite the fact that she already lived a peaceful and comfortable lifestyle free from worries. It suggests, somehow, that Lelouch is right-there were times that it seemed to question this but these moments were gone the moment they came.

Light exhibits the qualities that are needed to take on such a mantle as he pursues; Lelouch just shows that if it is minor characters or fodder type extras that are killed off then it doesn't matter.

To Lelouch's favour, especially during the second series, he does show some development. There were certain moments that added a much needed dimension and meant that I moved from being really annoyed with him to being a lot more tolerant. Not without virtues, but overall too inconsistent and contradictory to be said to be a better character than Light Yagami.

[Cain]

HELL NAH Light Yagami had desires, and had respect. He grew up as an intelligent young man. He was a great person. No doubt Lelouch is a smart person too, but he's a lil more immature. I mean there were diobollical plans that worked perfectly. Now HE was a true Maverick that made a big difference across Japan. I think Code Geass is great dont get me wrong, i just feel Light was so much cooler.

[Zoidberg]

Meh, I prefer L over both. Still, I do love laughing at Lelouch's lack of physical strength

[BB2Master]

Light went out like a bitch at the end of the series. Causing him to lose all of his man points.

Lelouch, however went out like a man when put in the same situation. He just laughed and called the black knights his bitches. Causing a gain of man points at extreme levels, which he never lost.

Therefore, Lelouch>>>>>>>>>>>Light

[Black Drako]

Near the end in the last few eps I thought that Lulu had become the next Kira however the conclusion in the end with him showing that it was all a plan which shows that he did intend good.

Even though both were brutal and pretty stringent about their methods and flexible morals Light turned into evil.

[Cain]

Overall Near is the smarter one but Light would have won if a retard didnt get caught swapping the real notebooks.

I just dont think lulu is smarter than people in Death Note.

[Nae'blis]

Light is a fake, someone who transcend mortal limitations.... the fucker can even see the future and has tantrums.

Lelouch is more human, more believable, easier to warm up to and follow because his goals aren't as immature.

There deaths basically echo that: Lelouch died a hero and the better man, Light died a turd doing backstroke on the floor while everyone watched and didn't care.

Light is still pretty cool, but nothing compared to Lelouch though.

[Jetstorm]

The difference between the two for me is that Lelouch never lost his humanity, did his best to atone for his sins in the end, and actually accomplished everything he wanted to by the time he died.

Unlike Light who was highly intelligent but let the power he was given corrupt him completely. To the point his insanity was shown during his last moments.

[Garlock]

Because Lelouch was gangstar. Everyday he's husteling. and he loses his game. Then he gets back his game and he starts hustleing again. Only this time, he hustles the Geass sect and his father on his own. Then he starts hustleing the world, just like he started hustleing that TV dude and Schneizel.

[Loki]

Lelouch light and Hiruma are the bad ass pure in the anime world

[BakaOnna]

You also have to realize that the setting, motivation, and willingness to accept who they were, or actually who they were becoming, are what really sets the two characters apart.

Light lives in a modern world much like ours, which is not really repressed against a cruel empire. It's not a terrible place to live in. He begins his goal of killing criminals because of boredom after he found the death note. One of them main reasons why he continues this is to fuel his ego. Face it, he has a God complex and wanted to make himself God, basically. He may disguise it as trying to make the world a better place, and some people may even agree with his ways, but in the end, all that he really wants is to make himself look good. He isn't even willing to accept that he's a villain since he claims that he'll become a "God" that will bring justice to criminals. Not only that, but he died believing that he was wronged by his search to godhood. So his goals may have started out as noble, but simply ended up making him a villain, and not a bad one to boot.

Lelouch, on the other hand, lives in a terrible world that lacks justice, especially, as he feels, to him and Nunnally. He starts this rebellion and forms the Order to fight against the empire and make his world a better place where people like Nunnally and his friends at Ashford Academy can live in. And he's never lost sight of that goal throughout the series. He also feels the burden of his consequences and bears them throughout the entire series. He knows he's doing wrong, which is specifically why he has no problems with people calling him a "devil". Heck, he himself admits of being a devil. Finally, when he dies, he dies knowing that history will always see him as an evil emperor, and not for what he actually did, except for the few close to him. He'll forever be remembered as a villain to everybody, and he sacrificed himself, to some degree, the very people that demoralized him.

In short, Light would have never done what Lelouch did in the end. He would never have sacrificed himself knowing that everyone would view him as a villain. Lelouch, however, acknowledges that he's done bad, and is willing to make sacrifices for the people he loves. That is why I see him as a tragic hero and not a villain, and prefer him over Light. Sure, Lelouch has done very bad things, but in the end, it comes down to end result... for me at least.

[Black Drako]

Lelouch, on the other hand, lives in a terrible world that lacks justice

Just want to take this out of your post and ask; Is it justice to keep murderers alive and also many times to let them loose after a few years only to kill again?

[Garlock]

You know though, that nigga lelouch is gonna start hustleing again with C.C.... and he gonna be doing it everyday

[silly]

You can't really say who is smarter, because the plots were built on a different situations. Death note is more about fight of Minds, where Light had to use everything to fool people around him, but Geass is more about strategies & feelings, and Lelouch had to use his brain more for tricks and tactics, cause the plot wanted so, and he didnt need so fakin smart plans to hide his identity, because there is no L chasing him everywhere.

[Regulator]

Lawrence>Lelouch>Light

[Nayrael]

Just want to take this out of your post and ask; Is it justice to keep murderers alive and also many times to let them loose after a few years only to kill again?

Justice? Yes, because there are those who may want to redeem themeselves or were not guilty. The right thing to do? Depends.

Light killed everyone, no matter if he is really a villain or someone who is obviously not guilty. He doesn't even care if he kills someone who will stay in prison until old age, forever or tomorrow when he will be killed.
Now, had he killed terrorists and other criminals that were not in prison, it would have been a different story.

[Rurushu]

Light was destroyed by the Death Note,Lelouch destroyed the Geass.
:quite

[Regulator]

Light was destroyed by the Death Note,Lelouch destroyed the Geass.
:quite

How was Geass destroyed? If Lelouch did die, C.C. at least can still go around giving out people Geass. The frustrating thing with the end is that the whole Geass plot remains unsolved. Where did it come from, was it originally a part of the planet and was it "natural" in the world of Geass? That is to say, was it intended for there to be a possibility to activate Ragnarok to "stop time" or whatever shiz. In other words, was the Geass and everything that came with it a natural part of the world? Who the hell were those kids with numerous Codes on their bodies etc.

I wonder if the original script would have explained all of that. They left out a lot of stuff only to haphazardly wrap up Lelouch's story, and even that isn't certain thanks to the ambiguity. Its Cowboy Bepop and Spike's "death" all over again.

[Rurushu]

I already said once that the Geass plot was definetly abandoned in the middle of R2,and I think it was a bad choice to not fully explain the origins of the Geass. But what I meant is,there's a chance that Lelouch may have stopped C.C.'s wanting of death,and just maybe she will stop giving out Geasses.

Although her and the Geass plot alone,leaves plenty of room for another Season.

[nalex43]

light lost to 2 kids. got shot by matsuda. lulu take over world.

jk.

both are awesome characters. light just got too evil and he killed L which is unforgivable.

[Kxela]

man, I really really liked Light. if only he wasnt so ugly at the end.

^although thats what it came down to, Light LOST, Lelouch WON.

plus
getting stabbed by Zero (Suzaku) > getting shot by matsuda

but personality wise... Lights motive shifted from cleansing the world to conquering the world- Lulu's motive shifted from creating a better world for his Sister and friends to recreating the world for the world.

Light abandoned his humanity (and humanity) to become a god. Lelouch abandoned his emotions to stablize the worlds future.

[Destiny1027]

It's pretty safe to say Light went completely crazy, we're already established that. :amuse
Lelouch still maintained his humanity in the end and "died" as a martyr as the 99.9% of the world cheered for his "death". Light died running away like a coward, showing nothing but greediness and selfishness. :notrust

[Ema Skye]

I find them both intresting but I perfer Light over Lelouch. They were both very intellegent high school students who both obtained the power of the "gods". But in the end Lelouch had some humanity left knowing he had to die to recreate the world for a better place while Light couldn't stand to die believing that the world would rot without Kira.

[Destiny1027]

I don't understand Light...the world wasn't so bad in his. I think it was absolutely cruel of him wanting to kill innocent people who just were lazy and not productive enough. I know Lelouch killed innocent people to but it was war...in war innocent people do die there is no avoided it. Lelouch didn't target the innocent directly unlike Light who WANTED to kill them because he thought they weren't productive enough, the people were living their lives everyday in fear. D:

[Fleecy]

I don't understand Light...the world wasn't so bad in his. I think it was absolutely cruel of him wanting to kill innocent people who just were lazy and not productive enough. I know Lelouch killed innocent people to but it was war...in war innocent people do die there is no avoided it. Lelouch didn't target the innocent directly unlike Light who WANTED to kill them because he thought they weren't productive enough, the people were living their lives everyday in fear. D:

That's why Light is a psychopath. :nod I both liked and hated him because he went from normal to completely batshit insane. It really shows how corrupted someone can be. Once he acquired the Death Note he attained a heartless mindset. As a character, he would've turned out to be a goody-goody policeman had it not been for the notebook, said by the creator himself.

Like I said before, I think Light was better constructed, straightforward, and more interesting, but I like Lelouch as a character more.

[Shadow_Reaver]

That's why Light is a psychopath. :nod I both liked and hated him because he went from normal to completely batshit insane. It really shows how corrupted someone can be. Once he acquired the Death Note he attained a heartless mindset. As a character, he would've turned out to be a goody-goody policeman had it not been for the notebook, said by the creator himself.

Like I said before, I think Light was better constructed, straightforward, and more interesting, but I like Lelouch as a character more.

I don't Know. At the very begining, Light had some serious resentment about how the world was. The way I see it, Light had the 'Evil' seed already planted in him. The Death Note was simply one of the several watering hose that allowed the seed to grow and bloom.

[mad-ass]

Lulu took over the world and Light died trying.

[Destiny1027]

I find it very amazing how Light could sacrifice his family in a heartbeat, people he has been with since he was born...very unrealistic. He didn't seem to care about his sister or his dad, he was mostly focused on getting the Death note instead of caring about his sister's safety which is fucked up. :o

[Fleecy]

I don't Know. At the very begining, Light had some serious resentment about how the world was. The way I see it, Light had the 'Evil' seed already planted in him. The Death Note was simply one of the several watering hose that allowed the seed to grow and bloom.

See, in the beginning, Light was simply annoyed. He didn't hate the world; he just thought it was better off without nasty people. That set up the scene for Death Note where he is the perfect candidate as the possessor of the note. He's one of those everyday Joes who went, "Well, the world's rotten, but what can I do about it? *shakes head*" But then he got the Death Note. That is when he started to change and really hate the current world.

I find it very amazing how Light could sacrifice his family in a heartbeat, people he has been with since he was born...very unrealistic. He didn't seem to care about his sister or his dad, he was mostly focused on getting the Death note instead of caring about his sister's safety which is fucked up. :o

That's why it was intended to portray Light as being corrupted by the Death Note into some psychopath/sociopath/whatever you call them these days. Such a definition means that he knows what he's doing; he just doesn't care about the people around him.

I loved Light's downfall. It was so pathetic and so beautiful because it portrayed how flawed the human is, how fragile the psyche is, and how tarnished it could be by a seductive taste of power... That is why I think him as a character is more skillfully crafted than Lelouch (who, unlike Light, kept some of his values through Nunnally; Light had no one to "keep him in check"). Lelouch was human with powers who fell with grace. Light was a human with "powers" who fell while begging, pleading, and groveling. Such an ugly character deserves recognition by me. It's not so much that he's realistic, because he's not really (but then neither is Lelouch lol), but it's the CORE of humanistic corruption that makes his presentation burrow inside the skin and say, "yeah, we may turn out like that if we do what he does."

[Ian Fenette]

Light is superior to Lelouch since he can do more with a power that's less advantageous overall.

Characterwise, Light = R2 Lelouch in terms of roundness, but season 1 Lelouch has a more likeable character... but then again, I really dislike Lelouch.

[Nayrael]

Light is superior to Lelouch since he can do more with a power that's less advantageous overall.

I would disagree. Light can kill people by just knowing their names and that power can also be used to manipulate people into doing what he wants them to do.

[YRPFantasy]

Because Light is crazy for dumbass reasons! :notrust.

LuLu is crazy for the people he loves. :love