[OFFICIAL MANGA COMPLAINTS THREAD] [Archive]

Rhaella

05-23-2005, 11:21 AM

aka, The Official Manga Complaints Thread.

Unhappy that your favourite character was killed? Displeased by who is winning (or participating in) the current battle? Can't get over a decision Kishimoto made? Planning on quitting the manga? Come here to discuss general complaints about the plot, direction, or writing of the manga. All general complaint threads found in Library outside this thread will be merged. Any specific discussion worthy grievances about the manga that have not been sufficiently addressed can still be placed in the Library main, and will remain there at the discretion of the section moderators.

No flaming, please.

1. Anyone not coming to this thread to criticize can leave and not come back. If you come in here to troll, flame, etc I will happily delete your posts, infract, and outright ban the serious/repeat offenders. I'm dead fucking serious.

2. Criticism=/=hatred. Yes, there are those that DO hate the story now but do not lump everyone that has a problem with the story together.

3. Everyone is not complaining about the same thing. Different fandoms will hate and love different subjects. All this nonsense about people flip-flopping on what they want to happen is a result of different fandoms voicing their approval and disapproval.

A hardcore Naruto fan is not always going to like Sasuke's developments and the reverse is also true. Same with pairing fandoms and same with people that like certain villains.

Read and understand it.

I edited the title due to it causing problems. Hope you don't mind Stacey. - Jet

mgrace

05-23-2005, 11:21 AM

I'm telling you if it wasn't for SAI I wouldn;t waste another minute of download on Naruto..

I have been so disappointed with Naruto not only with the FILLERS in the Anime but with the MANGA...

Why couldn't Gaara stay dead...... What was with the Sand Ninjas turning up to save Gaara.. It was CRAP... Kishimoto needs to take a break or somthing because Naruto is getting crapper by the minute.... Sure the Sassori fight was good but it did go on for a while....

Also where the heck is Sasuke even though I hate him and all his fan boys I want to see him.... The next arch better be better than the Sasori Sakura Arch otherwise I will write some more complaints...

Mizura

05-23-2005, 11:26 AM

1.) Will Gaara Youma be extracted
2.) Hurry up and tell us who the leader of Akatsuki is??
3.) Where the Heck is Sasuke and Orochimaru??
4.) What is Zetsu's Ability and Bloodline??
5.) Who is Naruto's Parents

1. Yes it will. I'd rather know if Gaara survives.
2. It's someone we don't know.
3. Apparently, hiding from Akatsuki. According to Deidara and Sasori's chit-chat anyway.
4. I'm not that much more interested in his abilities than I am in the abilities of all the other akatsuki members. Actually, I'm more interested in knowing what the ex-genins abilities now are.
5. either yondaime and some random woman, or two completely unimportant and very dead people. Probably the latter.

The question -I- want answered is:

When the hell are the other ex-genins reappearing??? At least give us a chapter number so I don't get disappointed each week. =_=

Edit: Wah? How did the thread change? (I'm pretty sure it was another thread a few minutes ago, else the quoting would not have worked, and I sure didn't bother to go to another thread, copy the text there, come back here and add the quote tags myself)

moaustin

05-23-2005, 11:27 AM

You shouldnt call it dissappointing just because your impatient ;)

Si Style

05-23-2005, 11:29 AM

I think most people discovered Naruto around the Sasuke rescue in the manga so we were half way through an arc so we were mid action.
This is our (new fans) first real arc we started from the beginning and with the big change it will feel slow. We already had information all the characters moves etc when we joined
Does not make sence?

Shinigami No1

05-23-2005, 11:29 AM

you say its gettin lame then list allt he awesome stuff that has happened. In the last chapter it explained loadsa stuff the thing about kisame that gai saw, the 30% chakra thing that everyone confused with thinkin they were givin chakra to the statue an also showed what a cry baby naruto is an that in 2.5 years hes managed to make *ooh* an even bigger rasengan which requires a kage bunshin STILL!!! Lol i think the story is moving fast enough an i think the whole identity of the akatsuki leader is goin to be an ongoin mystery cos when he is revealed with all the hype there will probs have to be an 'akatsuki leader gaiden' lol Zetsu is coming up soon i thihnk an also sasuke but they can wait not really that interested in thm atm cos sasuke will have to some back either with a huge plan or into a fight an i cant speak for everyone but im not too bothered bout him would like to see the rest of the konoha shinobi tho... an finally narutos parents, thats massive news that is probs part o the biggest mystery in the series an if anyone on the forums is correctit will probs be tied into the identity of the akatsuki leader an through some strange chain of events yondaime lol

Anyway jus chill your the only person ive heard complain bout the series at this point in terms of the movement of the story i think it is fine an we are probs due a slow explanatory period which started last chapter. probs be the journey to gaara next an pos. his death... an where can we vote?? an what would we be voting for?? i think your jus too anxioous for info lol

Donkey Show

05-23-2005, 11:33 AM

That's a lot of info to be thrown at in so many chapters. I feel it's moving quite fast as the action is moving quite fast than how it used to in part one. All the answers will come in due time. For now, just enjoy the new story. ^^

It'd be pointless to let out all the plot devices at once.

mgrace

05-23-2005, 11:36 AM

1. Yes it will. I'd rather know if Gaara survives.
2. It's someone we don't know.
3. Apparently, hiding from Akatsuki. According to Deidara and Sasori's chit-chat anyway.
4. I'm not that much more interested in his abilities than I am in the abilities of all the other akatsuki members. Actually, I'm more interested in knowing what the ex-genins abilities now are.
5. either yondaime and some random woman, or two completely unimportant and very dead people. Probably the latter.

The question -I- want answered is:

When the hell are the other ex-genins reappearing??? At least give us a chapter number so I don't get disappointed each week. =_=

Edit: Wah? How did the thread change? (I'm pretty sure it was another thread a few minutes ago, else the quoting would not have worked, and I sure didn't bother to go to another thread, copy the text there, come back here and add the quote tags myself)

sorry about the change... I changed it because it was surpose to be a poll but I stuffed up so I did a huge edit... hehehe but I posted the post I really wanted to post go there... Sorry :(

Negative-Ion

05-23-2005, 11:38 AM

People are really impatient.

edit oh btw im going to play basketball now, spend about 3 hours, ill come home ill eat and watch tv thats another hour, thenn the NBA eastern final is on, thats another 2 hours. Then ill play some online games, thats another 2 hours. Tomorrow the same shit maybe ill sit down and start updting my resume and schedule my A+ exam. Then wednesday its time to do the same shit and read the manga.

See how easy that is? what are you all doing that your are so impatient? sit in front of the pc and hit f5 to see if someone posted a summary or a link for the manga? go out and do something to distract yourself,

mgrace

05-23-2005, 11:43 AM

I must admit I am....... But all the big questions are seeping out slowly......

I guess I was a tad disappointed to think that Itachi wasn't really fighting. I wanted to see a real fight not sacrafice clone zombies with limited skills controlled by Itachi...

No.. I'm not an Itachi fan boy..... I'm a norman fan..... But I was just expecting a bit more......

kapsi

05-23-2005, 11:58 AM

The manga would go much faster if it wasn't for the constant "fight for somebody important" crap.

Srintuar

05-23-2005, 01:33 PM

Im really shocked we havent seen hinata yet, this long after the time skip
It doesnt look like she has any place in the current arc, so unless there is
some side story we wont be seeing her anytime soon.

Its possible they just havent finished her new character design-
that what i want to see of course.

Negative-Ion

05-23-2005, 01:40 PM

If Hinata shows up, she is going to be a mjor hottie. Naruto will go crazy over her and ask her out. Sakura will get jealous seeing how she 1st lost Sasuke and how now she lost Naruto to Hinata and will try to get him back by impressing Naruto with some clevage Tsunade style. Still she will fail, because Hinata's new personailty will make Naruto love her. eheh

Cholisose

05-23-2005, 02:07 PM

At least Naruto isn't an American comic. We'd only get one chapter a month, lol. Then things would be REALLY slow!

Edit: Anyways, I've found the post-timeskip storyline to be a breath of fresh air. It feels a bit more serious, and overall has been pretty surprising. The pace has been fine with me. If anything, it probably could slow down a little. It's a bit early to say too much though. Let's see where this storyline goes. =]

Efraim Longstocking

05-23-2005, 02:13 PM

I think that the series have improved a lot after the timeskip. The hunting sasuke arc was seriously long and boring ad extremely redundant since the mission failed anyway. T´he story seems more sophisticated and smart now. Orochimaru and Sasuke aren't so important right now since they need toi save Gaara's ass first instead of caring about them, plus the series wouldn't be this tense and good if there would be yet another rescue (kidnapp) Sasuke arc a´gain after just finishing a long arc with him. It wouldn't seem for us readers that he was actually gone at all if they would do that. We need a pause from Sasuke's ridicoulusness.

Jackal Iscariot

05-23-2005, 02:19 PM

I was actually expactin more changes, specially clothes-changes, but i guess they will do.we dont even know the colour of them, we are just takin chances by colouring them in the way they we like them best. and im just dying to see the others...

cyfar

05-23-2005, 02:25 PM

what are you all doing that your are so impatient? sit in front of the pc and hit f5 to see if someone posted a summary or a link for the manga? go out and do something to distract yourself,

That's funny as hell. Also a nice way of saying "Get a life!"
:laugh

9th

05-23-2005, 02:30 PM

Its a good pace imo

MooreX

05-23-2005, 02:58 PM

I hate time skip. They made Sakura decent!

SukeAratachi

05-23-2005, 03:11 PM

sakura is a big slut now

Esponer

05-23-2005, 03:17 PM

I think that it's actually been going kind of fast lately, the reason it seems slow is because we're at the "entering the middle of the series" stage right now. For the first time, we're starting to see major antagonists and major plot developments, and the set-ups for some serious plot twists. Unlike back in the Zabuza arc days when there was one brief quest that would be over in a few chapters, we're at the top of a rollercoaster that will probably span most of the rest of the series. For that reason, it seems like there's an awful lot we want to know and thus it seems to be going slowly.

gallacher

05-23-2005, 03:27 PM

Of course, you want the whole story in 1 episode.

Shisui

05-23-2005, 03:42 PM

I guess I was a tad disappointed to think that Itachi wasn't really fighting. I wanted to see a real fight not sacrafice clone zombies with limited skills controlled by Itachi...

Naw, dude, that's why it's awesome! Because it's like we all thought "Man, we're fighting Itachi and Kisame already? I guess we're headed for the end of the series. That's kinda anticlimactic..." And then Kishimoto was like "Haha! You thought that was a serious fight?? That was just an appetizer for the explosively orgasmic ultra-ninja battles that I have planned! Bitches!"

I, for one, am stoked.

BattousaiMS

05-23-2005, 04:10 PM

Itachi and Kisame were fighting just not in their own body... (call it a practice run). It was more meant to show teh power of the leader.

As far as Part 2 being dissapointing I think everything that happened till now, has been very entertaining. I don't expect to seee Sasuke anytime soon, in fact I hope he dosn't appear for a good set of time. We already know what he's story is so Kishimoto dosn't need to elaborate it till the time is right, having him do a appearence now would simply be a waste of ink.

I am also glad that Kishimoto decided to keep the cast into two teams till now, it allows more action. When they are needed the others can appear, I mean don't you think it would be stupid to have someone like Hinata face againast Akaktsuki? (I sure doo, unless they chop her into bits that is [most likely outcome])

Akatsuki is no fool, they are the strongest vilans that Konoha and the other nations must face so you can't have pansey characters face them. What I hope is that they add some new stronger characters on their sides related to the story. Maybe 1 or two bijuu joining Naruto and Gaara on their cause to kick Akatsuki's butt to hunting them like animals.

The series will be long, so wait paentily the treats will come.

RAGING BONER

05-23-2005, 04:13 PM

IronFist Alchemist

05-23-2005, 04:27 PM

and yes, I wanna see Sasuke too. we all do, even if we "hate" him.

Who hates Sasuke?? :huh screw em! :amuse

Sasuke will show up any chapter now...

Kind_Demon

05-23-2005, 04:32 PM

buy a full edition of manga, read it. tell me if it moves slow.
no reread that manga, one chapter one week at a time.

its going to move slow.

its how manga goes, it may be slower, but thats only because we've never really had so many things left unanswered at one time as we do now.

Negative-Ion

05-23-2005, 04:39 PM

Besides the timeskip, what people want now is to see flashbacks of Jiraiya giving Naruto IQ tests, reading come come paradise and reading Ninja manuals and scrolls day in and day out.. Until Naruto gets his IQ around 4000. Then Naruto shows up after timeskip having this stupendous wit and knowledge that he only fights his opponents by trapping them in some mathematical matrix type shiznit, without even using Rasengan. All this againts the Akatsuki leader. Then everyones desire for a Naruto fight where you need to use your brain has been accomplished and everyone will be starting threads about who is smarter. Shikamaru or Naruto.

Lyre

05-23-2005, 04:45 PM

I would say after the whole chasing Sasuke for how long? Half of a year or something I actually enjoy the timeskip completely because finaly it seems like there will be some story again. *sigh* To be honest I think the last arc was kind of boring. And I do not really miss Sasuke either, he will reappear and we just finished watching him and Naruto beat up each other in the anime. *shrugs* It´s not like Kishimoto killed him or something... :wink

Artuir

05-23-2005, 05:12 PM

I don't know about you but at the start of the time Skip I couldn't wait for the next episode to come out.... Gradually so far each episode is slightly getting worse.. The last 4 have been disapointing the only time my heart beat faster than usual was the sudden appearance of Itachi and Naruto usage of Rasengan has improved.Ohhh and Gai's awesome ability.. YEAH that was awesome but Apart from that I feel it's moving slowly...

There are so many unanswered questions e.g Who's the Akatsuki Leader...
Where the heck is Sasuke and Orochimaru???? What is Akatsuki really all about..... What's Zetsu's bloodline.....

What do you think... Do you feel that it's moving slowly. Do you feel thats some episodes have been awesome like the Gai one and others are just slow....

I don't want to complain but what do you think??

It is known as "building tension". We don't know anybody's capabilities anymore. We don't know what anyone can do (if anything) against Akatsuki. It makes things fresh and exciting.

If Kishimoto suddenly went HAHA TIEMESKIP WOOOOO HHEHEAH JUTSU SAKURA SASUKE SEXORZ WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT FIREBALL HADOUKEN for 20 chapters.. it would get boring fast. At least this way we get to explore more of the backstory rather than who has the biggist penis enlarging jutsu.

Sir Whirly

05-23-2005, 05:16 PM

Yea, some people are upset because this series is actually tryin to tell a story, instead of no plot lots of action like toriyama was forced to do for DragonBall Z. Dont be upset embrace the things he is trying to show and understand that this series will continue for a long time. So you can watch all the cool ninja action, fantasize about your fave hookups, feel the heartfelt warmth and cool hate between the characters and enjoy the entire aspect of it.

~My§tic~

05-23-2005, 05:20 PM

They're drawing the story out to keep you in suspense, the whole idea is for it to go slow.

I'm not really worried about the spped, although I'd wish they'd tell us who the Akatsuki leader is. We've been speculating for so long, and still we have no answer.

kapsi

05-23-2005, 05:31 PM

Yea, some people are upset because this series is actually tryin to tell a story, instead of no plot lots of action like toriyama was forced to do for DragonBall Z.
Poor Toriyama.

Dont be upset embrace the things he is trying to show and understand that this series will continue for a long time. So you can watch all the cool ninja action, fantasize about your fave hookups, feel the heartfelt warmth and cool hate between the characters and enjoy the entire aspect of it.
But if I hate it how can I enjoy it? I like the DBZ way better, SORRY.

Sir Whirly

05-23-2005, 05:45 PM

Fair enough.

Shisui

05-23-2005, 06:58 PM

Whoa. Someone actually likes DBZ better than Naruto? That's a first.

Itachi and Kisame were fighting just not in their own body... (call it a practice run). It was more meant to show teh power of the leader.

No, that wasn't THE Itachi or THE Kisame, just a tiny little taste of their power (they didn't have all their techniques available to them, and that's what really counts). But I agree that it was also to show the power of the Aka leader too.

Kiyohiko

05-23-2005, 07:14 PM

ghostgal

05-24-2005, 02:14 AM

I like the timeskip

immortal_youth

05-24-2005, 03:05 AM

i find it funny how people complain about how its going
when you think that it wouldnt be that good if all the fight scenes were just shown and all the plots just given away
the manga would be over thats it no more naruto
think about it
all the time you go
OMG ITS GOING NO WHERE
you should be thinking that the slow development gives more and adds more
if you just went 1 + 1 = 2 without all the fancy formula in between youd have one BORING MANGA !
other then that im happy with how naruto is

Potentialflip

05-24-2005, 03:24 AM

I don't know about you but at the start of the time Skip I couldn't wait for the next episode to come out.... Gradually so far each episode is slightly getting worse.. The last 4 have been disapointing the only time my heart beat faster than usual was the sudden appearance of Itachi and Naruto usage of Rasengan has improved.Ohhh and Gai's awesome ability.. YEAH that was awesome but Apart from that I feel it's moving slowly...

There are so many unanswered questions e.g Who's the Akatsuki Leader...
Where the heck is Sasuke and Orochimaru???? What is Akatsuki really all about..... What's Zetsu's bloodline.....

What do you think... Do you feel that it's moving slowly. Do you feel thats some episodes have been awesome like the Gai one and others are just slow....

I don't want to complain but what do you think??

Kishimoto is holding off Sasuke to reappear so the storyline has somewhat dragged. I won't consider it a disappointment just yet. Is it moving slow that I will say yes without rethinking. They progress the fighting really fast and the talking really slow. I do expect to see more great chapter at least for now with what is forecoming. As far as your unanswered questions go well you just have to be patient. I think we will see the other Akatsuki members first before the "Leader" (this is being that there is an Akatsuki Leader). Sasuke and Orochimaru well I just stated that well it is not time for them just yet. What is the Akatsuki about? Like the "Leader" question... We need to see who the other members are before we see that. More on Zetsu!!! This is just overkill. Just relax and calm down read other mangas or something.

Truly just wait. I am sure this questions will not be left unanswered once this arc ends if this is truly not going to be the last arc in the series.

Franckie

05-24-2005, 03:31 AM

I'm enjoying this new presentation and I get to see the maturity of each character in addition to their growth as ninjas so I'm not disappointed at all.

dogmare

05-24-2005, 03:36 AM

Gyroscope

05-24-2005, 07:16 AM

Slow?
Try reading chapters 245 through 259 again.You will see how fast it really is going.I did that last night and i was like woah.....covered so much ground in so little time?
And whats worse is knowing we havnt seen any body fight full power save for Gaara and possibly Deidara yet.
Relax.Theres a long long way to go.

So you can watch all the cool ninja action, fantasize about your fave hookups, feel the heartfelt warmth and cool hate between the characters and enjoy the entire aspect of it.

Hell yea :)

mgrace

05-24-2005, 09:11 AM

I kinda liked all of the other arcs better. The last arc for Naruto wasn't that great imo, and as some people mentioned, the manga is moving slow. Not because it comes out one a week, but because nothing "exciting" has really happened. I like it when they are in total despair and then the tables turn. That's what Naruto is missing right now. I loved how they fought Zabuza, how they had the chuunin exam, Gaara, Orochimaru. I just hope it starts moving its engine now.

Looks like we are out numbered.... I agree with you Kiyohiko...
But I think everyone has a good point.. The rollercoaster must go up and the higher it goes the more anticipation.. Until sundenly WHAM!!!!!! you go into loops and have an awesome ride...... Well I'm ready for the rollercoaster to go into loops NOW........

KageMane

05-24-2005, 09:20 AM

BushidoPunk

05-24-2005, 09:26 AM

Patience is a virtue and I'm sure we will all be rewarded very handsomely for our patience while we wait for Sasuke, Hinata, the leader of the Akatsuki, and all of our favorites make their appearance. The pace is fine right now because if Kishimoto rushes the story, than its gonna turn to shit.

KageMane

05-24-2005, 09:28 AM

yeah, but we all now that waiting hurts...

mgrace

05-24-2005, 09:35 AM

I'm also feelin that this arc is gettin slower and slower... A reason fot that is that I was used to read about 10 chapters a day... and when I caught up with u, reading a few pages once a week... that feels really disappointing when all u see is a "how to dispell a genjutsu" chapter... i think we should be more patient

I agree... I watched the Anime... then couldn't wait so I read the manga and caught up........ but It was great during Shika leading the group to face Orochimaru's men and Sasuke and Naruto fight...

The time skip arc is building up slowly.. it's not as exciting but I can sence that soon something is going to happen...... I just can't wait.. no patience.....

BushidoPunk

05-24-2005, 09:36 AM

Jesus, you know how long I've been waiting for Hinata to show up? Since the beginning of this time skip arc. But you know what keeps me from hanging myself because of how long I have to wait for Hinata to show up? The coolness. For example:

Kisame showing up and totally rocked Gai's team.
Gai going Super Saiyan
Itachi's Genjutsu
Deidara and Sasori and their mad skillz
Finding out Gaara is kazekage
Kankurou's new puppet

And all that jazz. Just waiting to see who will appear next and what's gonna happen in the next chapter is keeping me content. And so far, I've been very pleased :pleased....

Except that Temari isn't wearing a short skirt anymore. I shall now weep forever more :crying

Wavie-Davie

05-24-2005, 10:04 AM

I feel the time skip is good, but I strongly feel that Naruto left the village too soon... it was like home for 1 day then out. He should have remained in konoha longer. Wanted to see the other characters too.

Thats only bad thing I can say... I like it so far :D

BushidoPunk

05-24-2005, 10:05 AM

Wavie-Davie

05-24-2005, 10:11 AM

Did it feel like he was in to much of a rush to you for naruto to leave straight away?

It felt like the writer didnt want to make the story boring with all that talking and stuff so jumped into fighting.

Tbh if he had done this part of manga 2 years ago we would probably still be in konoha... I LOVED THE EXAM PART :D of story

BushidoPunk

05-24-2005, 10:13 AM

Maybe, but I guess some the fans wanted to see Naruto get into some action right away.

Wavie-Davie

05-24-2005, 10:15 AM

Its a shame that the fans infulence the story... he should just do the manga his own way... thats what made naruto great.

If i was the manga writer i wouldnt watch any news on naruto at all... id keep to myself. But i guess as a manga writer your always looking for feedback whether good or bad.

ab56v2

05-24-2005, 10:24 AM

Since they're putting so much information and moving so fast, it'll make more possibilities for the series to go slower on TV, which is a good thing.

Wavie-Davie

05-24-2005, 10:47 AM

ah i see ab you mean he may remain in konoha longer with the fillers... hm maybe they spoke about that and thats why he skipped... i guess we will wait and see then.

tofutofutofu

05-24-2005, 11:08 AM

here's a short answer

yes, it sucks

BushidoPunk

05-24-2005, 12:17 PM

here's a short answer

yes, it sucks
That's sort of a broad answer. Now does it really freakin' suck or do just some parts suck?

Konoha Konsept

05-24-2005, 12:54 PM

ha, that's an interesting topic ... i think the time skip is worth it just cause the appearance of everyone has changed (not everyone, old people haven't changed much) ... but yea i'm just excited about the growth and costume changes so far ... i'm sure you'll find the growth you were lookin for in a little while

KageMane

05-24-2005, 03:10 PM

I strongly feel that Naruto left the village too soon... it was like home for 1 day then out. He should have remained in konoha longer. Wanted to see the other characters too.

i agree with that...I dont even know how everybody became chuunin and jounin so fast! what happened there? :blink

Negative-Ion

05-24-2005, 03:13 PM

i agree with that...I dont even know how everybody became chuunin and jounin so fast! what happened there? :blink

Fast? its been 2.5 years since Naruto left Konoha. the rest of the Genins had 2.5 years to become chunnins and jounins. 2.5 years is plenty of time.

KageMane

05-24-2005, 03:27 PM

Fast? its been 2.5 years since Naruto left Konoha. the rest of the Genins had 2.5 years to become chunnins and jounins. 2.5 years is plenty of time.
I didn mean the time they spent... I meant that it was fast to read

mgrace

05-25-2005, 09:55 AM

Since they're putting so much information and moving so fast, it'll make more possibilities for the series to go slower on TV, which is a good thing.

I would have to agree with you here...

Also In the time skip arc the skip of 2.3 years allows for heaps of FLASH BACKS... but I guess these flash backs will be cool.....

EdgeStryfe

05-25-2005, 04:40 PM

Meh, it could be worse, and we all know Kishi likes a build up

KageMane

05-25-2005, 07:51 PM

I dont even know how everybody became chuunin and jounin so fast! what happened there? :blink
what do u think about that??

Lord Of Reapers

05-25-2005, 08:35 PM

Its better that they skipped now we get to speculate on what happened during those years

BushidoPunk

05-25-2005, 09:17 PM

i agree with that...I dont even know how everybody became chuunin and jounin so fast! what happened there? :blink
I found that to be strange as well. I could understand a few of them becoming Chuunins, but not all of them.

Hyuuga Fugen

05-26-2005, 05:16 AM

i hate time skip but i want to see hinata after timeskip.
did she improved/

ste6616

05-26-2005, 08:10 AM

I found that to be strange as well. I could understand a few of them becoming Chuunins, but not all of them.

Two and a half year, that make at least 5 chuniins exams (held twice a year)... Who knows how many would have gratuated at the one that we have seen if it had not been inturepted?
Some have been chuniin at firtst exam during the timeskip other at the last... :smile-big

itachidattebayo

05-26-2005, 08:16 AM

Patience......all will be answered......at least we know whether Gaara dies in da next chapter

mgrace

05-26-2005, 10:07 AM

He won't die... It will take 4 manga episodes before he starts bleeding....

KageMane

05-27-2005, 10:02 AM

He won't die... It will take 4 manga episodes before he starts bleeding....

I'd say 5 or 6

mgrace

05-27-2005, 02:51 PM

Yeah your right... 5 .. people think it will happen in 262 but more like 263 or 264.......

mgrace

06-04-2005, 05:58 AM

Well well well.... 262 was a SHOCKER... they got to the CAVE.. now another episode to open it up... by the time they fight I think 264... :(

Mizura

06-04-2005, 06:04 AM

Isn't it obvious what the next chapters will be about? :oh

Predictions by me:

Seeing as to how they took a whole chapter just to Get to the barrier... Predicting the next chapters!

Chapter 263: they try to get past the barrier. They fail. Duh. In the meantime, you have the occasional Akatsuki scene as they talk about stuff that are completely unimportant, those scenes only serving the purpose of making the jobs of us cleaners a living hell. :nerve At the end of 264: either they succeed, or Sasori and Deidara decide to come out instead. Chapter preview: Next chapter: Vs Akatsuki!

Chapter 264: Akatsuki vs team Konoha + Sand! Actually, not really. Sasori and Deidara will spend a lot of time talking. Naruto will spend a lot of time having flashbacks and getting pissed off. Sakura might get some extra flashbacks, and who knows? Neji might join in on the fun! And as Gai and Kakashi team up, we might get some flashbacks from them as well! The chapter ends with Naruto charging at the Akatsuki with a Rasengan.

Chapter 265: So the battle Finally starts. Actually... no. We get a Chiyo/Sasori/Sakumo flashback. It's a long one.

Chapter 266: still going.

Chapter 267: still going.

Chapter 268: They're Finally done! They send off a few attacks against each other (we're lucky that our Akatsuki is conveniently short on Chakra after the ceremony though). Still... do they think that's it? No! They're just getting warmed up! Next chapter: confrontation!

Chapter 269: Wait a damn moment! What's happening to Gaara! :nerve

Gaara: Indeed, I've been spending the past month dying or not dying... can you please just make up your minds?

Deidara: Yeah...

mgrace

06-04-2005, 06:09 AM

I like these predictions.... Imagine if your right......... What else do you predict... Will anyone die????.. I think your missing Chiyoba death...

Mizura

06-04-2005, 06:15 AM

Bah, I didn't predict that far. They've only just begun fighting after all. *nodnod* She'll die in chapter 270+.

mgrace

06-04-2005, 06:16 AM

I think she will die around that time...... It feels like Naruto is in SLOW MOTION at the moment....

Low-fi Boy

06-04-2005, 09:07 AM

Waiting for only about 18 pages of manga a week would make anyone think it's going in slow motion. I think I lot of people were excited about the timeskip and expect something badass every chapter to happen.

火影ナルト

06-04-2005, 10:04 AM

Time Skip --- Disappointing??? .
No.

mgrace

06-10-2005, 04:14 AM

I can feel a flash back coming on.... Ahhhhh.... nexty episode will be awesome

ghostgal

06-10-2005, 10:18 AM

.
No.
Agree. this naruto part 2 or whatever is really great!

Low-fi Boy

06-10-2005, 11:43 AM

Indeed, the coming chapters should be some of the best in this arc

mgrace

06-25-2005, 02:17 AM

It's getting better...... I feel it's speeding up at the moment.....

iaido

06-25-2005, 02:36 AM

I think you should read more manga, comic books, whatever.

The chapters individually aren't much themselves. I remember starting to read Naruto ever since Naruto graduated from the academy and I've always thought the same thing. After we've come so far in the series and I read the chapters in one sitting, it isn't that bad.

The worst experience for me was the Uchiha flashback. I was impatiently waiting for the Naruto and Sasuke fight, I couldn't care less about Sasuke's childhood. Reading that portion of the series over again, I fully understand its importance in the story as well as its placement and wouldn't have it any other way.

I think you're a pussy.

mgrace

06-25-2005, 02:42 AM

You know something...... I don't care what you think..
Your probably a 17 year old boy who has nothing better to do but flame people....
I won't give you a negative rep because thats what you want...

So I will rep you... there you go...

hakke

06-25-2005, 06:11 AM

Isn't it obvious what the next chapters will be about? :oh

Predictions by me:

Im glad you've been so off.

Ive seen that since part 2, Kishi learned to pace himself better... and leaves wide open areas to fill... im guessing he is leaving those spots for the anime to fill them.

mgrace

06-25-2005, 06:22 AM

Well I think you may be right.... Next episode will be a CORKER..... Can't wait for it....

The count down is on......

windTrancer

06-25-2005, 10:55 AM

mgrace

06-25-2005, 11:00 AM

I think Kishimoto got his wish... he wants to make a dragon ball z length Anime....
Thats great which means naruto will go for a while..... but to be creative like he has for so long is a hard task...... The pressure is on... I mean the fans want it all.... and I think Kishimoto even after earning millions from naruto is feeling the feverish pinch.....

The Anime needs to take a break and Kishimoto and his team need to draw like they have never done before...

Gyroscope

06-25-2005, 11:59 AM

^ I think Kishimoto has the whole plot figured out.The main story that is....all the bad guys,all the good guys, possible new characters etcc...
Now stretching out all of that into words and pictures is what is taxing i assume.

dont_look_back

06-25-2005, 12:04 PM

its just getting slower but xept that its alright and the pagges of no taking (manga doesnt suit too much fighting)

Wu Fei

06-25-2005, 04:21 PM

U r impatient thats all. The only thing bothering me right now is the fact that there are so many great fights going on right now and we have to continuously jump back and forth between them. Just enjoy what you get and suffer as you wait for the next release like every1 else.

IronFist Alchemist

06-25-2005, 08:42 PM

its just getting slower but xept that its alright and the pagges of no taking (manga doesnt suit too much fighting)

Guy...your sig....please!! :notrust

Sunrider

06-25-2005, 08:48 PM

The only part about the timeskip continuation that disappointed me was that I felt it jump into the main plot a little quicky. Mind you, this a very small concern with me, as I absolutely love the direction being to me. I was just hoping we'd see some lesser advetures with our Team 7, the same way the seires built up in the beginning with minor adventures.

Still, overall, it whips candy ass.

Jiraiya

06-25-2005, 09:01 PM

Stiluz

06-25-2005, 09:21 PM

I love the timeskip. Sakura is no longer useless (Though we all loved here anyway pre-timeskip ;)), Chiyo-baa must be the most bad-ass female character so far and we have already gotten some awesome battles, and two more to come. I also think the storyline is good, though I'd wish we could have seen more of the old genins before they sat off (Especially Hinata and eventually Sasuke, though I realize Sasuke isn't important to the plot right now).

hakke

07-01-2005, 07:59 AM

i think the feel of naruto is changing gradually, and that's caused by the evolving art and script. if you compare the manga now to the volumes before vol. 20, you can note some serious differences. in my opinion, i liked the way the manga used to be done and think that it's getting worse and worse, especially after the timeskip. kishimoto is getting way too bogged down on adding emotion to his characters, whether through direct speech or flashbacks, and avoiding the action.

this could be that he's getting lazier or simply has a busier life than in the past, since action panels take longer to draw. the manga might also be moving slowly because he wants naruto to be as long a series as possible. what doesn't make sense, though, is that you'd think the manga would go faster so the anime could go faster as well. instead, everything is being stalled.

em, Kishi is actually a genius... he is planning the whole enchilada ahead, not just an ark...

Sure the NArutoSasuke fight was prolonged a bit, but they ARE the 2 main characters... and the fight tells us we wont see them fight in a long while.

But part 2 has been a rollercoaster from the start... just think of ALL the things that have been revealed since... and that not all, many key points where Kishi couldve stopped to stall or flashback, he just plain skipped ... EXAMPLES:
-no long sasuke flashbacks showing us he is gone.
-no reintroduction to the other teams
-no showoff of new jutsu vs kakashi
-gaara was defeated in 2 chapters!
-Kankuro fight skipped completely
-no long kankuro childhood before defeat

All this points could have easily made the manga a lot slower, but kishi instead went ahead with the main plot...

r4seng4n

07-22-2005, 11:52 PM

Naruto_Heart

07-22-2005, 11:55 PM

Exactly, it's been too draggy.

It's poor development is even more apparent when compared to Bleach's huge strides in progress.

As of current, Bleach's development drawfs Naruto's.

Cholisose

07-22-2005, 11:56 PM

The timeskip gave the series a breath of fresh air IMO. I think the series has improved, though it'd be better to save judgment until after the current story arc finishes. All a matter of opinion, of course.

neostar8710

07-23-2005, 12:00 AM

for once..i have to agree. i defended naruto so much b/c i thought the rescue arc was good cause it def did keep me in suspense. i loved it. and got PISSED when ppl kept dissing on it and said how dragged out it was. but NOW, i've started to lose interest in it. when you ask? when they took a whole chapter for naruto team to get to the cave and showed us some pity action of gaara. we already KNOW how sad gaara is. no need to see anymroe of it. from there, it slowly started to lose my interest. i was loving part 2 up till that point..cause i loved gaara's fight, the kisame/itachi mini battles (itachi's battles weren't that good)..but after that, i'm not so addicted. i didnt even read the spoilers and i'm, not into it. maybe b/c right now one piece is at its climax, and bleach is doign really well for its new story arc...but yeah..naruto doesnt suck or naything, i just want to see this boring puppet fight over with..

The Sandwich Prince

07-23-2005, 12:00 AM

I've said this was dragged out like two chapters ago, but noooo.. everyone was like "Nah!"

TippmannMan

07-23-2005, 12:07 AM

Jiraiya

07-23-2005, 12:09 AM

neostar8710

07-23-2005, 12:12 AM

I can't say "I was there in the beginning" cause I wasn't. But, haven't scenes been dragged out this long before? I can't imagine things like the Zabuza/Haku fight, chuunin exams, Orochimaru VS Sarutobi, just to name a few, were one chapter long. My opinion is that, most of us are used to speeding through the anime and manga 10, 20, 30 episodes/chapters at a time because it was out, but now that we have to wait every week, everybody gets super critical of each release.
MAYBE..but i thats the case..i think everyone woudl be supercritical of the other mangas since they release weekly as well...b/c some of them covered SO MUCH in one chapter..i was blown away..i just want the fight to end..but i reread the save sasuke arc again..and it did seem KINDA boring..i must admit..idk..T___T

Cholisose

07-23-2005, 12:14 AM

I can't say "I was there in the beginning" cause I wasn't. But, haven't scenes been dragged out this long before? I can't imagine things like the Zabuza/Haku fight, chuunin exams, Orochimaru VS Sarutobi, just to name a few, were one chapter long. My opinion is that, most of us are used to speeding through the anime and manga 10, 20, 30 episodes/chapters at a time because it was out, but now that we have to wait every week, everybody gets super critical of each release.

That's probably all it is. Everyone read the first 200 or so chapters all in a few weeks, and now that it's just 1 chapter a week, the story is "dragging" if Naruto doesn't use a Rasengan every few chapters.

'Cuz I don't see what's so "dragging" about the current story arc. There's been a ton of good cliffhangers, and I'm always anticipating the next chapter.

The Sandwich Prince

07-23-2005, 12:21 AM

I wouldnt go so far as to say naruto is "slipping" but I am kinda losing interest a tiny bit since the story does seem to drag on... but the 270 preview suggested otherwise =X
I guess Bleach's awesome "leaps" may have contributed to this... :P

Exactly. Bleach's leaps > Naruto's leaps. Kishimoto does seem like he's stretching this out though. I mean, it took a chapter just to destroy a single puppet without any other extraordinary feats done in the chapter. I suppose Naruto isn't as "fast-paced" as I'm used to (This has nothing to do with being able to read chapter after chapter) since a typical fight shouldn't take this long unless it has a reason to. It really looks like Kishimoto is writing for the anime at this point.

Though it's just this section of the arc. I was pleased with their arrival to Suna, Naruto's reaction to Chiyo's attack despite it just being ONE panel, and Sakura's ability. I'm not looking for a pointless fight. I wouldn't mind a few good panels rather than seven of giant pillars of sand flying around followed with the obvious "I'm winning! Wait now you're winning!" aspect of things.

Capt. Rosuko

07-23-2005, 12:33 AM

I have to sortof agree. Usually naruto would involve the goings on of Konoha life and such, but instead we are thrust into another A-rank mission. Little character development.. just fights mostly. I don't think its dragging. I think that its rushing things too much by suddenly having big fighs every few issues.

narutofan__man

07-23-2005, 12:35 AM

I do think the manga and anime tend to drag and awful lot, the fights tend to drag (reminds me of dragonball:huh), i always look forward to watching the anime episodes done by that mysterious animator that makes the fight scenes very dynamic and dramatic ie. rock lee v gaara, sasuke v orochimaru, 3rd v orochimaru and naruto v sasuke.:smile-big

shadow_sand

07-23-2005, 12:36 AM

eh suck it up ya whiners. Man if you dont like it don't read it. Unless you can do better you have no right to complain.

r4seng4n

07-23-2005, 12:36 AM

That's probably all it is. Everyone read the first 200 or so chapters all in a few weeks, and now that it's just 1 chapter a week, the story is "dragging" if Naruto doesn't use a Rasengan every few chapters.

'Cuz I don't see what's so "dragging" about the current story arc. There's been a ton of good cliffhangers, and I'm always anticipating the next chapter.
Its deffinately not the 'a chapter a week' thing for me, because I've been like that for a few years now with naruto. And as someone already said, Bleach is kicking Naruto's ass like no other.

And I still do anticipate the next chapter, it just seams like a disapointment when it actualy does come out. Especialy with the latest one.

Sh33p

07-23-2005, 12:40 AM

Feh. If ya don`t like it, don`t bitch about it. Just go drown in bleach. No, seriously >_>

Kidding.

In all seriousness, I`ve personally enjoyed the change of pace. It may seem a bit awkward, but Kishimoto`s getting back on his feet and it might take a while. I`m more than happy to wait it out, and I really don`t see why so many people see the need to complain about it. If you don`t like it, just stop reading. It`s not like it`ll kill you or anything.

Capt. Rosuko

07-23-2005, 12:41 AM

I still like the manga, the characters. Its only a minor complaint for me anyway. I'm expecting some deep characterization and growth after this battle tho.

9Tail-Hokage

07-23-2005, 12:43 AM

All I want him to do is to explain Yondaime's connection to Naruto.
I wouldnt go so far as to say naruto is "slipping" but I am kinda losing interest a tiny bit since the story does seem to drag on... but the 270 preview suggested otherwise =X
I guess Bleach's awesome "leaps" may have contributed to this... :P
what was the 270 preview like? Send me a PM!

Hef

07-23-2005, 12:51 AM

eh suck it up ya whiners. Man if you dont like it don't read it. Unless you can do better you have no right to complain.
Why won't you suck it up. If you can't stand it when someone gives approperiate critique of your favourite (?) show it's you who should suck it up or shut it up. In all respect, these kinds of comments are unnecessary and do no good.

It was this person's own opinion, in which many seem to agree. The original poster wasn't flaming or whining, s/he was just giving critique and stating his opinion in appropriate way.

Now on to my opinion...
I kinda agree with you here. I, for one, have been losing my interest in Naruto. While the part two has rocked, it's not just that interesting.
And the biggest reason is that I'm starting to get so addicted to Bleach that it's all I think about. :D I'm still eagerly RAW camping and reading the manga, though. It's just not as interesting anymore. T-T

The Sandwich Prince

07-23-2005, 12:52 AM

I still like the manga, the characters. Its only a minor complaint for me anyway. I'm expecting some deep characterization and growth after this battle tho.
Exactly. I'm hoping for an in-depth recap after this in some form because all of this fighting isn't really displaying everyone's growth how Kishimoto thinks it has.

After the Hiruko-puppet destruction it lost it's tempo to me. I would've preferred it skip to Naruto's fight at that point followed by a retreat of both parties. At this point Akatsuki (At least Sasori) is coming off as weak and I'm starting to see them being defeated in the near future.. which makes me wonder where the story will go.

Hef

07-23-2005, 12:54 AM

At this point Akatsuki (At least Sasori) is coming off as weak and I'm starting to see them being defeated in the near future.. which makes me wonder where the story will go.
That's when the Akatsuki gets resurrected and MECHA AKATSUKI emerges! :kukuku

TenshiOni

07-23-2005, 12:58 AM

No, not at all. I'm loving this new arc and I find Sasori more interesting than any current villain in Shonen jump. =/

Bronwen

07-23-2005, 01:01 AM

I have to admit, I haven't download the latest chapter but have skimmed over the translation. For the most part, I'm still keeping up with it because I'm extremely curious but Kishi really, really, really, really, REALLY loves to drag this out. The new arc is certainly interesting and when we actually see some BIG character growth I'll be even more interested, but Kishi dragging out the battles and Akatsuki sucking ass is just too much to bear.

Frankly, what pisses me off the most is that any sort of sympathy or something we are supposed to get from Gaara's supposed death or Gaara being kidnapped and taking out Gaara's monster is gone...now it seems to focus on Sakura's wish to know more about Sasori's involvement with Orochimaru, thus Sasuke...the focus on Gaara just disappeared when this is the rescue mission of Gaara!!!

I am, more or less one who likes just how fast paced Bleach is because it does keeps us on our toes and craving for more new information with every twist Kubo gives us.

Iruka-Senpai

07-23-2005, 01:10 AM

It's great that we got to see Naruto fighting Itachi and got to see more of the Akatsuki, but I was just disappointed in the timing. Naruto gets back and one chapter later he has to go on a mission!? I was thinking that the main focus at that time was seeing all of the other characters and the new Chuunin Exams. However, my interest was revived when Sasori's face was revealed:amuse .I'm sure that at least a few of you agree. Maybe it's because I prefer to read manga in my hands than with my mouse. Manga is more exciting for me when I have 200 pages in my hands just waiting to be read and packed with all of the action in one sitting instead of those five second Shonen Jump USA and Shonen Jump Japan tidbits:notrust . Does anyone here feel the same way?

BTW, why haven't we seen a Naruto x Hinata moment yet?The last time I saw her was in the title page of the Naruto chapter: Reinforcements.

mayumi

07-23-2005, 01:22 AM

i think that sasori vs sakura and chiyo fight is dragging a bit. but i won't judge the entire manga series based on a chapter. naruto has a lot of character development that i totally adore. part 2 definetely started out very well, but this fight just has to end.
other than that i am quite happy with how things are. bleach is entertaining and fast paced and also popular, naruto can't stay strong forever but i am okay with it. i remember that in one piece people disliked the skypea arc, but now one peice is really good again. i am patient enough to wait because i really like naruto series and want to know how everyone accomplishes their goals. the characters are a little too personal in my opinion.
a new manga will always emerge replacing an old one. like bleach in this case, later bleach will be replaced with something else etc. it will go on. no big deal :)

Oskar von Reuental

07-23-2005, 01:27 AM

This again? ....Boring

Yes, even Sasori feels this fight is dragged out. :P

I think it's just that both sides are trading blows evenly right now, so it looks like a stalemate. The momentum of the battle just kept switching sides. Of course, there were interesting moments such as the explosive tag, the mom/dad flashbacks, and the puppet arm. Maybe I was hoping that the Sandaime puppet would push Sakura/Chiyo into a really precarious position, and then they'd do something really desperate (in true manga underdog fashion, how dramatic, heh). Maybe I was hoping someone would get maimed.

But then Sasori just had to use the pyramid of doom and the big box of hate. Talk about an anti-climax. WTF was he thinking?! Why didn't he go for the win? Gah! As much as I hate to admit it, I really want to see some other jutsu, or tricks up their sleeves, or whatever.

Oh yeah, me wanting to see Team Gai and Naruto/Kakashi doesn't help either.

iaido

07-23-2005, 01:30 AM

Naruto is overall a good manga but it's being tarnished with pacing problems and boring fights. As a manga for ninjas in a fictional world, there is so much more Kishimoto can do with the future of Naruto. The Zabuza arc was exciting, the fights weren't dragged out extensively nor where they boring. I loved the chuunin exam arc and I loved the Sasuke arc. Part II however, has been a let down.

Iruka-Senpai

07-23-2005, 01:31 AM

I agree, Mayumi, many anime series are replaced because the creator is looked up to by another creator who wishes to better his work.If you think about it, Naruto has replaced Dragon Ball Z ( Kishimoto has always admired Akira Toriyama's work).

Odlam

07-23-2005, 01:45 AM

Actually, I went back and read the Sasori fight chapter after chapter and it flows very nicely when you just read them back to back to back, but its been killing me having it be so long and it just seems to keep going and going. When Kishi plans these things out, Im sure he plans the fight from start to finish, so its not so grueling in his mind, but its torture for the reader. Its going to come down to the climax and the reprecussions if the fight was worth it, how does it end, and how does it effect the characters involved. Chiyo and Sakura are both evolving as characters as the fight progresses (or at least thier evolution is being revealed). Its just going to be a matter of was it worth it all when the fight is all over.

Also, if this was a pre-timeskip fight, I dont think there would be nearly so much hate for its length. Its just that after the time skip, there are so many things we are impatient to see that it tortures the reader to spend too much time on one thing. Its like "Sakura has improved!" okay move on! What, another issue on her improvement!? SHOW ME THE NEW HINATA! SHINO! KAKASHIS NEW MOVE! NARUTO RIPPIN SOMEONES HEAD OFF!! SASUKE! THE UNREVEALED AKATSUKI!!!! RAAAAAAAWR!!!!

No I dont think the manga is losing steam at all. If anything, the entire world is new again, and its all exciting to see. Even characters that would have been mundane before now have an air of mystery about them, because you dont know what has changed in the 3 years. But thats also whats causing all this impatience. Theres so much mystery to be resolved, and the desire to uncover more of it is taking away from people enjoying the action in the here and now. This is fine, were just gonna have to be patient and take things in stride as they come, and dont judge the arc until its all completed.

Iruka-Senpai

07-23-2005, 01:50 AM

Like I said earlier, manga is much better and more exciting when read as a novel,non-stop, in one fluent scene just like Kishimoto intends. DARN YOU SHONEN JUMP!!!!!!!!:mad

imchemist

07-23-2005, 01:59 AM

I want to see more of Naruto, Jiraiya, and Kakashi...and Neji. Other than that, other characters seem not so important. Also, Sakura...I wonder when she would ever get strong. Although she says she got much stronger, all I see is her just soaked in fears. She looks the same all the time. I would like to see her change more.

neostar8710

07-23-2005, 02:02 AM

i liked all of part 2 up till this sasori fight..the gaara fight ended quick and i loved it..they were good ...idc about seeing the other genins grown up style..well i do..but i dont REALLY am so impatient to see them that i like dont read the chapters right and all..i just want the sasori fight to end..and i agree with the statement regarding the ksy piea arc..i thought i was the only one who thought sky piea was boring..but the manga is just INCREDIBLE right now..so i'm sure naruto will boucne back TREMENDOUSLY after sasori fight..b/c sometimes mangakas HAVE to draw these things in order for the story to move on or w/e

tttackler

07-23-2005, 02:03 AM

I like the current arc. When Itachi first appeared in front of Team 7 I was pumping my fist in the air like a maniac. It was so unexpected and awesome. Although the Kisame vs. Team Gai and Itachi vs. Team 7 were just fodder fights until the ones going on right now.. The current Chiyo + Sakura vs. Sasori fight is alright, I think it can conclude well in one or two more chapters, but I think this fight will be better in the anime. People are complaining right now because they'd rather see Naruto fight, since we havn't really seen him do much of anything that proved how much more powerful he has gotten from his training.

duoenigma

07-23-2005, 02:14 AM

I can't say "I was there in the beginning" cause I wasn't. But, haven't scenes been dragged out this long before? I can't imagine things like the Zabuza/Haku fight, chuunin exams, Orochimaru VS Sarutobi, just to name a few, were one chapter long. My opinion is that, most of us are used to speeding through the anime and manga 10, 20, 30 episodes/chapters at a time because it was out, but now that we have to wait every week, everybody gets super critical of each release.

YOUR SO RIGHT!!! DUDE...What making it boring is the simple fact that you have that waiting period. But I wasn't around when reading about haku, the chuunin exams and orhimaru etc. I just speed by it since it was all out, but yes your right dude!! They should start balancing it out, by showing different characters now. Such as kakashi, or gay team and back and forward.

Mizura

07-23-2005, 02:32 AM

Why is it dragging on? (I dare people to say that it isn't :notrust)

Simple. From what I see... for better or for worse, these chapters have been planned by volume. At least that's what I'm theorizing.

Volume 28: team Kakashi reintroduction. Sand reintroduction. Gaara vs Deidara: Gaara gets kidnapped, thus setting the context for this arc.

Volume 29: team Kakashi vs Itachi clone. Team Gai vs Kisame clone.

Volume 30: Chiyo and Sakura vs Sasori...

I was hoping that volume 30 would take care of Both battles (vs Sasori and vs Deidara), but I was unrealistically getting my hopes up: the two battles couldn't be as short as the ones vs the Itachi and Kisame clones, because 1. these are no longer clones and 2. one of the enemies, the most important one actually, meaning Sasori, had not been properly introduced at all (the confrontation against Kankurou was purposely not shown in order to save everything for here), so these battles could Only be longer than the previous 2... I was hoping that Sasori and Deidara would somehow decide to leave before the battle is over so that everything would fit into volume 30. Bah, I was wrong. On the bright side, the Sasori battle will probably end with volume 30, with only the aftermaths at most being shown in the next volume.

Next volume will show Naruto and Kakashi vs Deidara and the aftermaths of all this (what happened to Gaara, and what happens with Sunagakure no Sato). GOD this is taking its sweet sweet time...

And I can't even chose to temporarily stop reading because as a member of Shannaro, I have to clean the pages anyway. Yes, I'm annoyed enough to be able to stop for a few weeks imo, since my internet access is more limited right now I have even less things dragging me in...

Cholisose

07-23-2005, 02:37 AM

Why is it dragging on? (I dare people to say that it isn't :notrust)

It isn't. At least I don't think it is. The pace is perfectly fine with me. In fact, I'd like it to slow down a bit to take the time to get into Chiyo's and Sasori's background a bit more.

Edit:
The main complaint seems to be that people want to see their favorite secondary characters. To be honest, I always felt that it was a bad idea for the Naruto series (and all fiction series in general) to have such a large amount of characters. You can never flesh all of them out really quickly. Characters go missing for years at a time in a weekly manga series. It'd be foolish though for Kishimoto to rush this current storyline just to bring in other characters sooner.

Lafiel4

07-23-2005, 02:40 AM

YOUR SO RIGHT!!! DUDE...What making it boring is the simple fact that you have that waiting period. But I wasn't around when reading about haku, the chuunin exams and orhimaru etc. I just speed by it since it was all out, but yes your right dude!! They should start balancing it out, by showing different characters now. Such as kakashi, or gay team and back and forward.

Why? So impatient people can be temporarily satisfied and then complain again the subsequent week?

The story will flow just fine the way it's being told when you read it in a tankouban. I'm glad Kishimoto isn't trying to placate only the most vocal or largest group of fans at any given moment.

Hate it or not, the current arc is important to the story.. and probably deserves the time spent on it. This particular arc has already explained a lot of stuff - chuunin status of the Genin 9; the Akatsuki goals and how they accomplish them; the Bijyuu; a glimpse at how genjutsu works; the Sand's history and upper political echelons; a _lot_ of good coverage on puppetry... it's also brought Team 7 (and the dumb reader) up to speed with what their goal is, and now it's giving some more insight as to the extent of one of the main character's growth.

I mean, really, what's the rush? Don't like Sakura, Chiyo-baa, or Sasori? Boo hoo! Guess you'll just have to keep complaining until your favorite character takes the spotlight again!

Cheers.

The Sandwich Prince

07-23-2005, 02:43 AM

Why is it dragging on? (I dare people to say that it isn't :notrust)
Eh.. I don't know. We had this talk a few weeks ago in another thread and people said the same ol' "It isn't being dragged out!" but it REALLY is. Not only that, but since I'm viewing this in somewhat realtime I'm wondering how the hell can Kishimoto be ignoring two other groups of battles.

I have no doubt he'll cover 'em now (Hell, he's OVERcovering this one), but we'll have missed half of it. Oh well.. my prediction was way off. Like you said... we probably have another volume just to close this arc. It should pick up next week.. hopefully.

TenshiOni

07-23-2005, 02:43 AM

^^Very nice, Lafiel4.

Mizura

07-23-2005, 03:04 AM

I mean, really, what's the rush? Don't like Sakura, Chiyo-baa, or Sasori? Boo hoo!
I like them. But I don't like how the past several chapters could be summed up in 2 lines. This chapter for example, has had practically NO purpose story-wise. So Sakura gets to be used as a puppet again? Couldn't that have happened Last chapter?

And why the hell did it take them a whole chapter just to Get to the caves?

mayumi

07-23-2005, 03:06 AM

it may be true naruto doesn't do well weekly probably in ratings but when sold in volumes, i believe it sells more than other mangas. i have seen the top ten manga releases on monthly basis when naruto is released, and it sells pretty well. nothing like one piece but not bad overall.
also, couple of days ago when i was reading some of the chapters together in bulk, it flowed a lot better and was definetely much better than waiting weekly. also, like many of the new characters, so i can wait for the other characters return. but even if they return are these other chuunins going to get involved with the akatsuki, then they all better be strong is what this arc shows us. especially when probably the other akatsuki members are going to be a lot stronger than deidara and sasori for sure.

road_rash

07-23-2005, 03:12 AM

-_-...........

Some of you people just need ot shut up and quit bitching about every single freaking mistake and every single not perfect thing you can find.

That is all.

Hef

07-23-2005, 03:13 AM

especially when probably the other akatsuki members are going to be a lot stronger than deidara and sasori for sure.
Hehe. I can see Sakura going against that tall and buff Akatsuki guy in the far future. They would be the perfect match, when either one of them fights the landscape is going to be redone. It would be like a Godzilla movie, lol.
*dreaming*

Cholisose

07-23-2005, 03:16 AM

I like them. But I don't like how the past several chapters could be summed up in 2 lines. This chapter for example, has had practically NO purpose story-wise. So Sakura gets to be used as a puppet again? Couldn't that have happened Last chapter?

And why the hell did it take them a whole chapter just to Get to the caves?

Somebody needs to go read the Lord of the Rings books. =P Now that's a series that knows how to take its time. Makes Naruto look like Reader's Digest. Really, it isn't that big of a deal if it takes an entire 15 pages for characters to discuss things and give us an idea of what they're feeling. Oh, and have some action scenes thrown in there as well.

AmazinG

07-23-2005, 03:20 AM

Hef

07-23-2005, 03:22 AM

I think Kishimoto is doing fine. The reason i believe everyone is saying its dragging is because no one is interested in Sakura (can't blame you) or Chiyo who has no character development what so ever. If this was Naruto and Kakashi i bet everyone would be at the edge of their seat just as they were when Kakashi and Naruto fought Itachi earlier.

I don't think its dragging but i am very anxious and excited to see Naruto and Kakashi fight
Now now, you can't speak for all people. :D I, for one, am very interested in Sakura and her development. And Chiyo, too, she is quite interesting.
On the other hand, if this was Kakashi and Naruto fighting, it would be even more boring. I don't really care for them. :laugh And the Itachi fight was major suckage. :oh
I'm glad we aren't seeing Kakashi vs. Deidara.

...Yet. :sweatdrop

AmazinG

07-23-2005, 03:28 AM

Hef

07-23-2005, 03:31 AM

Haha i wasn't trying to speak for everyone i was just generalizing what i think the majority of the people are thinking. I just think Naruto and Kakashi excites more people than Sakura and Chiyo.
Heh, yeah, I understood your point. It's easier and more efficient to speak like that.
But there's always some bitch like me who comes and tries to be clever. :laugh

If you didn't get it, my last post was written in a joking manner. =__=

Yami no Takeshi

07-23-2005, 03:42 AM

Now now, you can't speak for all people. :D I, for one, am very interested in Sakura and her development. And Chiyo, too, she is quite interesting.
On the other hand, if this was Kakashi and Naruto fighting, it would be even more boring. I don't really care for them. :laugh And the Itachi fight was major suckage. :oh
I'm glad we aren't seeing Kakashi vs. Deidara.

...Yet. :sweatdrop

:sweat
Sorry to say u might just be wrong.
If it was concentrated on Kakashi and Naruto i believe most likely the majority of complaints on Part 2 would not be there.
While Sakura's growth is interesting, it is not interesting ENOUGH to warrant a case of so many chapters. As Mizura put it, this chapter just has Sakura becoming a puppet AGAIN. And the big deal bout the puppet that Chiyo was bringing along and what happened? They survived for 2 bloddy chapters!
And a battle of puppets isn't the most interesting thing around. Shino vs Kankuro worked because in essence we had two very different style's used and implemented wisely. Here we just seem to have a my puppet is better than ur's kind of thing.
At least with Naruto/Kakashi vs Chocobo freak we will have without doubt real action and varying styles of battle. And i daresay more people are intersted in Naruto's growth(which for some weird reason Kishi continues to hide from us) than Sakura's.

Cheers. :beer

edit : u were joking? oh, sorry then. :sweat

Hef

07-23-2005, 03:45 AM

:sweat
Sorry to say u might just be wrong.
If it was concentrated on Kakashi and Naruto i believe most likely the majority of complaints on Part 2 would not be there.
While Sakura's growth is interesting, it is not interesting ENOUGH to warrant a case of so many chapters. As Mizura put it, this chapter just has Sakura becoming a puppet AGAIN. And the big deal bout the puppet that Chiyo was bringing along and what happened? They survived for 2 bloddy chapters!
And a battle of puppets isn't the most interesting thing around. Shino vs Kankuro worked because in essence we had two very different style's used and implemented wisely. Here we just seem to have a my puppet is better than ur's kind of thing.
At least with Naruto/Kakashi vs Chocobo freak we will have without doubt real action and varying styles of battle. And i daresay more people are intersted in Naruto's growth(which for some weird reason Kishi continues to hide from us) than Sakura's.

Cheers. :beer
Lol, while I agree with you, I never said I liked this particular fight. :D
For me, this puppeteer vs. puppeteer has been the biggest let down in the whole of part two. I've never even fancied puppets that much... so this fight has been quite gruesome to me.
Not even Sakura's growth and her shining moments can save it. :crying

Spidey

07-23-2005, 03:50 AM

Imo, Kishi isn't slipping at all, and for me, The pace of this battle is just fine and appropriate. Sasori as a villan is awsome and I love the way he fights. All and all I'm loving the manga just as much as ever, and maybe even more just because I'm so anxious to see how everything plays out and by the time this arc finishes, i think it'll be my new favorite of the whole series. However, I will say that as much as I love this current fight, I am greatly looking forward to the next one much much more :)

Gyroscope

07-23-2005, 05:10 AM

This fight was meant to be dragged out.Boss fights are generally long ones and it is pretty interesting despite it not involving any of my fav characters.Akatsuki are meant to be the last major villains in the series.Now they cant have one of the members get beaten in a couple of chapter could they?

火影ナルト

07-23-2005, 06:35 AM

Impatient.

If you don't like the slower pace of Naruto then stick with Bleach, because Naruto's pace isn't likely to speed up any time soon.

Weekly, Naruto is released with Shounen Jump, so the reader gets many chapters of other manga to satisfy himself with. Most of us Western internet readers only read Naruto and one or two other series from Jump, right? Someone here made a good point about Naruto chapters being written in volumes.

As stated by Akatsuki, this is Kishimoto's dilemma: is art something fleeting or is art something lasting? Kishimoto's work is balanced between these two ideas.

The latest chapter disappointed the weekly manga crowd. Such a shame for us, especially as the raw was late, and was in such bad quality. Read in between the other chapters as a volume, I'm sure 269 won't feel disappointing to the reader. Were any of you expecting Hinata to appear in this chapter?

Bleach is for impatient people. Naruto is for patient people. Enjoy.

lekki

07-23-2005, 06:49 AM

The last manga chapter 269 cemented it. It's official, something is going wrong in Kishi's head. In the spotlight, a dried up hero from the Sand's distant past, somee bishi saidstic puppet master and the drop out of team 7 while all the cooler characters are also fighting Kishi has decided to resort to more flashbacks, angry facial expressions and black blobs floating about on the page.

I really hated 269, I mean, I REALLY HATED 269!.

immortal_youth

07-23-2005, 06:56 AM

okay okay lets think this about bleach since everyone loves how fast it moves
naruto moved pretty fast in its first 25 chapters and so
bleach isnt as long and old as naurto
and it doesnt have the same amount of development needed
and also it didnt have a time skip in which needs to be explained during the actual action the development each character went through during that time skip
and for me
im loving it and i think 269 will have important points in reference to further chapters to come because the whole naruto is like reading a book you have one of the chapters but you dont have the whole story yet
but me im still loving it

lekki

07-23-2005, 07:08 AM

im loving it and i think 269 will have important points in reference to further chapters to come because the whole naruto is like reading a book you have one of the chapters but you dont have the whole story yet
but me im still loving it
Last time I checked, every manga is like reading a book because they are books...
If you knew the whole story of any manga, why bother reading it then?
Why not tell me the whole story of Bleach then? or One Piece or Death note or Gantz?
You probably couldn't right?
I know it's your opinion but for me chapter 269 genuinely sucked ass. It was more than just slow, it was cheap and used recycled ideas. He hasn't utilized the time-skip to it's fullest IMO.

Chi

07-23-2005, 07:32 AM

Geezz... If they won't kill Sasori in this arc, that means we'll have to see him fight again in later arcs, and this means puppets again.. it'll be so boring :(

Yakushi~Kabuto

07-23-2005, 08:03 AM

it's been three or more chapters the ending preview says "next week the conclusion!" but all we get is a boring fight, one of 2 pages are chiyo seeing sasori as a child... c'mon let's end this battle now!

rubbereruben

07-23-2005, 09:27 AM

I agree that the current fight between Sasori and Chiyo and Sakura has been dragged on for too long, too little progress and all that.

What annoys me the most is that most characters haven't changed at all. Only thing that really surprised me was Sasori as a character. (I love him) The team fight of Neji, Lee and Tenten against Kisame was awesome too. I don't know if it's the way Kishimoto wants to tell his story or if he dislikes teamfights. All the fights are mostly 1v1. This is irritating me enormously. They seem to be more and more powerstruggles instead of the good ol' smarts over strength.

Of course Kishimoto works with a group of artists so I doubt you can blame him alone, but he does seem to lose his innovative way of drawing out fights.

And you may dislike me for it, I've seen too much of Sakura. She has annoyed me since the beginning and I doubt I can ever shrug off my prejudices, because to me she'll always stay the useless genin which had a crush on Sasuke. She seems to improve little characterwise and her huge buff since the time skip has annoyed me.

Too few people die, this will make all fights less thrilling, because the stakes aren't as high as they should be.

It seems like everybody died in the past and nobody dies in the present. Sometimes I wish the story wasn't during Naruto's timeline, but during Kakashi's timeline. It would be much more realistic.

火影ナルト

07-23-2005, 09:31 AM

Of course Kishimoto works with a group of animators so I doubt you can blame him alone, but he does seem to lose his innovative way of drawing out fights.

How many people will take your post seriously when you say something like this?

mftrunks

07-23-2005, 10:32 AM

bitch, moan, complain....

neostar8710

07-23-2005, 11:02 AM

bitch, moan, complain....
its just a discussion..if you dont like ppl bitching and stuff..then dont read the thread?..and i'm sure ppl are sticking with naruto b/c the OVERALL story is still amazing..i think MOST ppl are having beef with just this one fight..cause i always defend naruto and its pacing up till this very point with the sasori fight...cause the sasori's past should be shown now and that some of it could've just been resolved already...i'm just agreeing with what the thread says cause i think most of us are bored or w/e..i think we all still love naruto..we just need this fight to go...cause i def loved all of it up till this pt..and MAYBE i'm a bit biased now b/c bleach is moving at a fast pace..and one piece is at its climax,...cause i canlist other mangas that are MUCH slower paced than naruto..wont say any names..

Mizura

07-23-2005, 11:02 AM

Hrm. I also think this battle gives too much focus on Chiyo and Sasori (ie possibly soon to be dead not-even-supporting-cast characters) and not enough on Sakura (ie Main character). Sakura "just" gets used as a puppet. We've seen her emotional growth now but it didn't have to take that many chapters. She gets to be a puppet Again! Whoo! Wasn't she already that 2 chapters ago? Before Chiyo took out two other puppets that were quickly neutralized? (and why not just have Chiyo quickly retract Sakura and take out her puppets Immediately upon seeing the Kazekage puppet, instead of waiting a whole chapter?)

And well, let's just say that I love Sakura, and I'm EXTREMELY miffed by how these chapters generate as MUCH Sakura-Bashing as Sakura-praising, if not more (the so-called "Sakura is "just" a puppet! She's still useless! Yadda yadda yadda". :mad).

I'd much rather have had a few more pages describing her medical jutsus. Her healing jutsus were quite impressive, and a bit more detail on how she concocted the cure would have been nice, so that 90% of the people wouldn't have just skimmed over it as it seems to be the case. :mad

I think I'm also annoyed by the lack of diversity in this fight: too many mechanical traps-type. Other battles have been this long, yes, like Neji vs Kidoumaru, which took up an entire volume, but it was more diverse: Hakke, Kaiten, incredible dodging and pure genius by Neji, and projectiles and spider combo by Kidoumaru, who also showed a lot of impressive smarts (Sasori and Chiyo so far have shown "creativity" in their attacks, but not that much incredible tactics imo. Shikamaru can make a fight interesting with his tactics alone, Chiyo and Sasori don't seem to be as able to).

Oh well. >_>

Toffeeman

07-23-2005, 11:06 AM

I agree that its dragging, but as long as its leading up to a thrilling conclusion then im quite content..

rubbereruben

07-23-2005, 11:09 AM

How many people will take your post seriously when you say something like this?

Actually, I didn't mean the animators of the anime, but I meant the artists that help draw the manga. So I changed animators to artists.

Perhaps I didn't put it as well as I should have.

Toffeeman

07-23-2005, 11:13 AM

Actually, I didn't mean the animators of the anime, but I meant the artists that help draw the manga. So I changed animators to artists.
I thought it was only Kishi who drew the manga..

Axass

07-23-2005, 11:28 AM

rubbereruben

07-23-2005, 11:30 AM

I thought it was only Kishi who drew the manga..

I thought it was done by a small group, where one does the sketches and one does it over with a fine pen.

Perhaps he does it all alone and am I confused with animators.

Even though, that wasn't the main focus of my reply. People are good at taking out one thing, saying it isn't right and thereby neglecting everything else that was said...

Oh well, it's easier that way.

Mizura

07-23-2005, 11:34 AM

It seems dragged out because unlike with the previous arcs (that you read all at once) you get only one chapter per week.
Actually this is the shortest arc yet:
Actually, I consider the Gaara abduction part as part of this arc.

But people aren't complaining about this arc being dragged on (at least I don't think so). They are complaining about this Fight being dragged on. There have been other one-volume fights, but they were much more diverse.

Yakushi~Kabuto

07-23-2005, 11:40 AM

I thought it was only Kishi who drew the manga..
nope, generally when a manga gets "bigger" there is a dozen of "sub-drawers"

Axass

07-23-2005, 11:40 AM

Actually, I consider the Gaara abduction part as part of this arc.

But people aren't complaining about this arc being dragged on (at least I don't think so). They are complaining about this Fight being dragged on. There have been other one-volume fights, but they were much more diverse.
Hmm??? I consider it part of this arc too, I counted all Part 2 up until now as a single arc, fact is Part 2 is only 25 chapters.

I don't really think this fight is being dragged on. Also I would take this over Kidoumaru/Neji anytime, THIS is much more diverse, all you saw in that fight was Kaiten, Hakke (both seen plenty of times in the past) and arrows, big deal. Here we've seen 4 different puppets with four different styles, Sakura being manipulated by Chiyo, Iron Sand, Robochiyo, lots of different traps/weapons.

I just think you all have something against puppets fights. That or you just wanna see Naruto fight as soon as possible. I say, take your time, cause when the series will end, you'll regret that you said things were dragged on.

Mizura

07-23-2005, 11:46 AM

I just think you all have something against puppets fights.
Hmm... It could be that. I see mechanical attacks, mechanical attacks, not That much strategizing (the strategizing behind Neji and Kidoumaru's fight, and the one behind Shikamaru's fights for example are enough to draw me in further) and that's about it. Basically Sakura's just punching, and Sasori's just throwing things around most of the time. :\ There's some poison in between, but that's not unexpected or visually impressive imo.

Nick

07-23-2005, 11:56 AM

I think, the thing is there is much going on on the background of the story.

I mean, the chiyo/sakura fight has taken center stage, but we also have the "is gaara dead thingy, the naruto/kakashi fight, and team gai battles to think about.

Too many issues happening at once, so we feel this battle is a bit dragged on...
hopefully next chapter will be the end of the Sakura/ chiyo vs Sasori fight.

Axass

07-23-2005, 11:56 AM

Hmm... It could be that. I see mechanical attacks, mechanical attacks, not That much strategizing (the strategizing behind Neji and Kidoumaru's fight, and the one behind Shikamaru's fights for example are enough to draw me in further) and that's about it. Basically Sakura's just punching, and Sasori's just throwing things around most of the time. :\ There's some poison in between, but that's not unexpected or visually impressive imo.
Well I like puppets fights, I like Sakura, I like Akatsuki and I like Chiyo so I'm enjoying this battle greatly.

Anyway I think that the battle has pretty much ended, soon (aka next chapter) someone is going to flee, be captured or die.

Mizura

07-23-2005, 12:05 PM

Well I like puppets fights, I like Sakura, I like Akatsuki and I like Chiyo so I'm enjoying this battle greatly.
And I like Gaara, I enjoy sand battles, I liked Deidara somewhat and I'm pretty sure that if the Gaara vs Deidara confrontation had lasted an entire volume, I'd have been completely fed-up as well.

I think that in the present chapter, they simply stick too much to the same strategies all the time. Sakura + Chiyo = punch, Sasori = throw things around. urgh. Chichi and Haha represented a temporary change of fight, but well, it didn't work too well, it didn't even cause Sasori to change his own strategy. Ah well, maybe next chapter...

The Mist

07-23-2005, 01:00 PM

Now you complain because you just saw a fight dragging too long. In a few chapters, you will probably go "OMFG I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT...KISHI IS SUPER SMART/COOL, ETC." ...

get my point?

kapsi

07-23-2005, 01:10 PM

Now you complain because you just saw a fight dragging too long. In a few chapters, you will probably go "OMFG I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT...KISHI IS SUPER SMART/COOL, ETC." ...

get my point?
Actually, no.

Dyroness

07-23-2005, 01:13 PM

The only answer I have to this thread is... there's still hope. Something HUGE is going to happen, I can smell it.

neostar8710

07-23-2005, 01:14 PM

It seems dragged out because unlike with the previous arcs (that you read all at once) you get only one chapter per week.
Actually this is the shortest arc yet:

01 Wave Country: 1-33 = 33
02 Chuunin Exam: 34-87 = 54
03 Invasion of Konoha: 88-139 = 52
04 Naruto's Training: 140-171 = 32
05 Sasuke's Rescue: 172-238 = 67
06 Kakashi Gaiden: 239-244 = 6
07 Gaara's Abduction: 245-269 = 25

One Piece, now that is dragged out... it goes on with mega-arcs of 100 chapters each... and after 400 chapters it's just halfway...
i dont think one piece is dragged out at all...EXCEPT for sky piea..besides that..i love it..cause imo..one piece has boring starts to story arcs...the big ones..but as soon as you get into the story..its liek a drug and you cant wait for more of it..now naruto def has interesting starts to the arc..but sometimes i wish he "rushes" some parts together ..makes us overload and more excited..i'm NOT starting a war about which manga is better..i like both ..right now..tis one piece due to its climax or w/e in the w7 sotryline..and thing about one piece that bothers me is that it has all these loose ends..and i think the longer the manga goes on..the fighting will prob become..less kooler?..like dragonball did?.but thats my opinion...

The Mist

07-23-2005, 01:20 PM

Actually, no.

Well, all I'm trying to say is don't come to a conclusion just yet.
I doubt Kishi will end Sasori/ The Third Kazekage like that...something big is about to happen in the next chapter or the chapter after that...Kishi is probably just building the plot to that point...

火影ナルト

07-23-2005, 01:24 PM

I thought it was done by a small group, where one does the sketches and one does it over with a fine pen.

Perhaps he does it all alone and am I confused with animators.

That's near right. I just call them assistants. Animators animate the anime, and have nothing to do with Kishimoto at all.

I didn't notice that you are from the Netherlands. It makes sense for you to confuse a word like that as English is not your first language. Apologies for the harshness of my reply.

TenshiOni

07-23-2005, 01:45 PM

Actually, no.

Actually, if I remember correctly, last week with the revealing of the Sandaime's jutsu Iron Sand, the scene of little Sasori being hugged by his puppets (something dozens of people were agreeing to be one of the best scenes in all of Naruto), and the cliffhanger leaving us to to wonder things like, "Who will save them?? I bet it'll be Temari!! OHHH, that'd be awesome!!! Nah, maybe Sakura will summom a slug!" no one was complaining.

It was hype.

Convos were several pages long and people were having fun. Hell, even Sasori had his own thread about why he's such a badass.

But no, one rather slow chapter and now everyone seems to think it's completely been drawn out and that it should've ended a long time ago. It's only been 5 chapters. Jeez. :noworry

mayumi

07-23-2005, 02:24 PM

one chapter and everyone is kishimoto is slipping etc. i remember it was the same when itachi used his genjutsu on naruto. people were like oh my god nothing happened. i was more like:nuts, i loved that chapter.
then there was that one with gaara flashback one, now if i read that chapter again, i wonder if that was some sort of premonition for naruto about gaara actually dying. if u look back at it now, it makes perfect sense.

Axass

07-23-2005, 02:36 PM

i dont think one piece is dragged out at all...EXCEPT for sky piea..besides that..i love it..cause imo..one piece has boring starts to story arcs...the big ones..but as soon as you get into the story..its liek a drug and you cant wait for more of it..now naruto def has interesting starts to the arc..but sometimes i wish he "rushes" some parts together ..makes us overload and more excited..i'm NOT starting a war about which manga is better..i like both ..right now..tis one piece due to its climax or w/e in the w7 sotryline..and thing about one piece that bothers me is that it has all these loose ends..and i think the longer the manga goes on..the fighting will prob become..less kooler?..like dragonball did?.but thats my opinion...
Oh, but I love One Piece, though it'll take years and years to finish, I mean, we still know almost nothing about the main character...
I agree about Skypiea, it was completely out of the main storyline (no marine, no Shichibukai, no pirates), yet it took 67 or so chapters to end.

Now to staty on topic...

one chapter and everyone is kishimoto is slipping etc. i remember it was the same when itachi used his genjutsu on naruto. people were like oh my god nothing happened. i was more like:nuts, i loved that chapter.
then there was that one with gaara flashback one, now if i read that chapter again, i wonder if that was some sort of premonition for naruto about gaara actually dying. if u look back at it now, it makes perfect sense.
Lol, I loved the chapter with the Genjutsu as well. Never understood what was wrong with it.

sRyaZzdJ

07-23-2005, 02:47 PM

i've seem to only lose a bit of interest after i started reading/watching bleach. lol that manga is pretty damn cool. i def recommend for anyone else who needs something else besides naruto. i think naruto is starting to drag on to much tho.. or the sasori fight is just taking to long but its ending next week so -hip hip hurray!

9TalesOfDestruction

07-23-2005, 02:49 PM

You guys must mean the leap in the Bleah Manga(which i've never read)

cause the anime is worse than Naruto with every episode having at least 1 corny filler to waste time....but the last 3 episodes have been good (probably because the filler arc in Naruto makes it look better)

anyway, i've just started reading the manga since the fillers started, so about 2 months. And i must say, it is a bit slow, but i'm still geeked every week for the new chapter to see whats going to happen next. So i'm far from loosing any interest. but i'm used the anime, with color, voices, and movement.

i think the slowness of this arc is on purpose, possibly to give the anime team more to work with so they don't catch up so fast and have to use crappy fillers. Cause honestly the last 2 chapters seem like one full chapter when put together.

but i don't think the story is slipping at all, just the pacing a bit, but that's on purpose i think......

TenshiOni

07-23-2005, 02:54 PM

i think the slowness of this arc is on purpose, possibly to give the anime team more to work with so they don't catch up so fast and have to use crappy fillers. Cause honestly the last 2 chapters seem like one full chapter when put together.

Exactly right.

If you put the whole fight together and read it, it doesn't feel dragged out at all to me.

When reading this fight in a volume, in which it is known for manga-ka to even redraw some scenes to make them better, it flows much smoother. It's just these weekly waits and us getting 19 pages of Naruto a week that's driving us crazy. XD

Jh1stgen

07-23-2005, 02:57 PM

Ya ... i have to agree. Especially the battle regarding with Sakura. Yah, she amazed the anit-Sakura with her uibber strength and medical knowledge. But those alone cannot help u win against ppl the Akatsuki (which she is experiencing right now). So yah, nothing really new, just another replica of Tsunade. I wish Kish would develop Sakura into her own personality and characteristic. As well, we fking need to skip that battle and concentrate with Naruto vs Diedra. WE NEED TO KNOW WHETHER GAARA=DEAD!

The Mist

07-23-2005, 02:58 PM

Why is it only 19 pages every week? A restriction or something?

TenshiOni

07-23-2005, 03:01 PM

Why is it only 19 pages every week? A restriction or something?

I really have no idea. Shonen jump sets a certain number of pages per manga-ka. Only two manga I can think of seem to make this rule void and that the number of pages weekly varies: Bleach and Death Note. (anywhere from 19-24)

We should be glad, though. Some manga have only 15 pages weekly. >_>

Vael

07-23-2005, 03:02 PM

Yeah, artists only get so many pages in Shonen Jump every week.

The Sandwich Prince

07-23-2005, 03:03 PM

Why is it only 19 pages every week? A restriction or something?
Oh, no. The creator's arms just get tired at that point. (Kidding of course)

I'm guessing so. There's only so much toliet-paper quality sheets to go around (The quality is really yuck from what I hear). A bigger chapter would be nice, but.. I'm satisfied with nearly 20 pages a week. Just need to do something else with our time until Thursday/Friday release.

neostar8710

07-23-2005, 03:29 PM

Oh, no. The creator's arms just get tired at that point. (Kidding of course)

I'm guessing so. There's only so much toliet-paper quality sheets to go around (The quality is really yuck from what I hear). A bigger chapter would be nice, but.. I'm satisfied with nearly 20 pages a week. Just need to do something else with our time until Thursday/Friday release.
and why then did bleach release a speical 51 pages for chapter 116?..idk..i wish to know why that happened..perhaps there was an extended break so kubo sensei decided to release a biggg chapter?..idk..and the comments about sky piea arc..kinda seemed like the planet namek saga of dbz to me..cept oda style..still 100% orignal..hence i give it credit and NOT saying its a ripoff of dbz

Jeltz

07-23-2005, 04:53 PM

But no, one rather slow chapter and now everyone seems to think it's completely been drawn out and that it should've ended a long time ago. It's only been 5 chapters. Jeez. :noworry

You make a good point there. It could be just this chapter that lacked any interesting content that make people say that the battle is drawn out and not the fight itself. Last chapter was itneresting and built up hype and got peoples expectations up and then came this disappointingly boring chapter.

Odlam

07-23-2005, 06:24 PM

This chapter felt like a setup for the final issue of the battle - however things are, theyve fallen into place this way for the finale

Bloofer

07-23-2005, 06:42 PM

Hah. When the battle ends (hopefully in a chapter or two, I wanna see Naruto fight!) all the people who has written in this thread will be all like "Omg Sakura [or chiyo] pwned him so haaard" - "Best fight ever", lalala.
It's not really dragged out, at least not in my opinion. :P You people are all way too hasty.

Indeed, I too want it to end, but then we'll probably see Naruto and Kakashi fight for like 4-5 chapters. When it starts, people will say stuff like "totally awesome", and when it reaches its end - "Kishimoto's slipping... way too dragged out..."

dspr8_rugged

07-23-2005, 06:45 PM

I can't make an assessment on how the manga is doing right now in terms of plot. BTW, I started reading the manga at Chapter 239 and been reading until the new one. So far, I still like it.

Give Kishi credit. He maybe is trying his best to work on a very good plot. Maybe we're just too impatient.

Well, that's what I think.

Kakashi_Love

07-23-2005, 08:20 PM

if Sakura defeats Sasori, i'm gonna stop watching the manga altogether, because that is just ridiculous.

Last of the Hyuugas

07-23-2005, 08:22 PM

if Sakura defeats Sasori, i'm gonna stop watching the manga altogether, because that is just ridiculous.

Sakura is one of the sannin, stupid.

TheMexicanKingVII

07-23-2005, 08:26 PM

I'm sure Kishimoto has been sleeping. Hey LOTH O_o but Sakura isn't one of the sannin, yet ;) but she's on her way. I don't know why everyone is having a uproar if she beats sasori, isn't this good? This would show a new light that Sakura isn't weak.

superman_1

07-23-2005, 08:29 PM

i started losing interest in naruto too quite some time ago......both manga and anime.... anime is worst and manga is also getting boring, dragged and worst too..... now i just dont look forward to naruto anymore as i used to before...... one biggest problem with naruto is that they drag things so much that some ppl get bored or tired of it.... i dont care much for naruto now unless if they show something very interesting..... rite now its boring as hell even in manga and anime...... i just want the current arc in manga to finish..... i am already getting tired of everything going on rite now and in the anime esp. naruto yelling about defeating oro and bringing back sasuke so much that its getting so annoying, etc and other stuff......i havent even downloaded manga chap from inane or shannaro from quite some time.....i just look at raw and read the translation by nihongaeri or other translators...... dont bother downloading new chaps now.... and now its got to a point that i just dont care wat happens....i want the current arc to end and see a new one.....

my interest is now shifting to bleach now.....it is getting so exciting and i cant wait for any new chapters.....

http://forums.narutofan.com/images/icons/icon10.gif wow i think this is my longest post ever....dont think i ever posted this much in a single post http://forums.narutofan.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

lopsew

07-23-2005, 10:47 PM

Well, the fighting has never been my favorite part of Naruto anyway... It's the story, the backgrounds on each of the characters, and how all of it just seems to come together so well... At least I think it all works...

The fights are more of a bonus to me...

Someone said this earlier, and I agree that part of the reason some are turned off by this supposed dragging on is because it is a once a week thing where we're waiting for something to happen, and people feel like nothing is happening. I feel that plenty is being achieved in just 20 or so pages per week...

The fights been going on for too long? Hasn't it only been like four chapters??? Yeah, that's about a month long, but that's the best they can do... Once a week...

I'm actually happy to see that some of these fights are taking a bit longer like they did in the beginning with Zabuza and the Chuunin Exams. During the Sound/Sasuke arc, everybody was just OWNING everybody else in a few chapters, and that was great, too...

I don't see how people are comparing this to Bleach saying that Bleach is doing a better job. While I love Bleach as well (ESPECIALLY NOW), it took close to 100 chapters to finish the Soul Society arc. Not to mention the beginning being very slow. How is that not dragging on?

But it's all opinion, and mine is that I don't mind anything so long as the manga doesn't end tomorrow or something...

And in my honest opinion, Naruto's fights destroy Bleach's fights in almost every aspect. With Naruto, there has been ALOT more strategy involved in every one of the fights. Bleach fights have been nothing but a bunch of pretty Ban-Kai summons that ultimately don't do SHIT, because no one dies in Bleach. They all get sliced the fuck up, fall to the ground, and then get this enormous strength out of nowhere, completely ignoring the fact that they've each lost ENOUGH BLOOD TO KILL FIFTY PEOPLE...

Also, could I get the reason as to why people think Naruto's being dragged out???
Sorry, I haven't read ANY of the replies to this thread...

This is just my reply to the first post...

The Sandwich Prince

07-24-2005, 12:15 AM

And in my honest opinion, Naruto's fights destroy Bleach's fights in almost every aspect. With Naruto, there has been ALOT more strategy involved in every one of the fights. Bleach fights have been nothing but a bunch of pretty Ban-Kai summons that ultimately don't do SHIT, because no one dies in Bleach. They all get sliced the fuck up, fall to the ground, and then get this enormous strength out of nowhere, completely ignoring the fact that they've each lost ENOUGH BLOOD TO KILL FIFTY PEOPLE...

Also, could I get the reason as to why people think Naruto's being dragged out???
Sorry, I haven't read ANY of the replies to this thread...

This is just my reply to the first post...

I guess people don't look at the manga from the broader view. Like someone earlier in the thread said, most threads (such as this one) focus on minor "short-comings," but you have to remember how excited we were to see Kazekage Gaara, Jounin Neji and his new abilities, the Gai-Kisame struggle, Naruto's ONE page against Chiyo, and the constant speculation that passed the time between weeks.

Really, when people wait a week they expect something extraordinary and for awhile I felt the same (Still do), but thinking about it from a volume perspective and a real-time perspective in terms of the story it wouldn't make sense for Sakura to suddenly say "Kuchiyose no Jutsu!" within 25 chapters of just being reintroduced. I'm sure when this arc concludes we're going to all feel some sort of happiness and giddyness for what's to come next. It's just a very short phase with threads like this.

As for the Bleach comment: Well, yes.. it did start out slow and I tell people here and in my circle of friends that it doesn't really pick up and seems generic in the beginning (Guy kills evil stuff. Woo..), but as the story quickly develops it tends to unfold, but not unfold (EX: Akatsuki wants the demons, but what will they do with them? Naruto looks like Yondaime and acts like Yondaime... why??) a bit quicker than Naruto (At the moment) since this isn't quite a fight period in its manga and teasing bits of information are being thrown along.

But I wouldn't say Bleach is overpowered. People bleed in a lot of series, but each time someone is hurt in a battle condition they're not hoping around without some sort of healing assistance. So if you haven't read Bleach don't go by that assumption.

And yeah, Naruto's fights usually do explore more with strategy since there's so much you can do with jutsu and how people aren't limited to jutsu (as opposed to the one Shikai and Bankai each person MAY or MAY NOT be able to do). It's hard to say "Okay! We're going to use my sword's 33rd technique!" because they don't stretch it that much, but to make up for it things like Shikai and Bankai are on levels of their own in terms of power.

Cholisose

07-24-2005, 12:49 AM

I tried to get into Bleach, but it failed to keep my interest. I wasn't very fond of the art style either, to be blunt.

Naruto, however, has continued to keep me anticipating what will happen next, and has made me care about the characters involved. I care about Sakura, and I'm really curious to learn more about Chiyo and Sasori. They have been very intriguing characters so far. I've found the current fight to be creative - each chapter has been introducing something new, and there's been many surprise twists along the way. Frankly, it's been one of the more dynamic fights in the whole series. And frankly, this fight isn't dragging because of that. It's not the longest fight in the series - how many volumes did the Naruto/Sasuke confrontation last again? This has been great stuff lately, and I've loved the art - it's captured the intensity of the action really well.

MagicBreak

07-24-2005, 01:03 AM

Also, could I get the reason as to why people think Naruto's being dragged out???

I'm guessing this may be the reason some people think Naruto's being dragged out.

Naruto isn't exactly what it used to be... the fighting is boring to me right now. The story is bit slow, but getting better and the fightings is eh...compared to the earlier arcs. Naruto's outsmarting Zabuza was pure genius, or winning battles with intelligence rather than using new jutsu or sudden power-up that beats the crap out of enemy. That's what got me addicted to Naruto, but now it's just "Hey, my jutsu is much stronger or I've got a new jutsu for this occasion!" Kishi focuses too much on detailed things that I become sick of them. Naruto's oversized Rasagen or Sakura's inhuman strength punch isn't that much of big deal. no offense

deadpool002

07-24-2005, 01:26 AM

lopsew

07-24-2005, 01:34 AM

I'm guessing this may be the reason some people think Naruto's being dragged out.

Naruto isn't exactly what it used to be... the fighting is boring to me right now. The story is bit slow, but getting better and the fightings is eh...compared to the earlier arcs. Naruto's outsmarting Zabuza was pure genius, or winning battles with intelligence rather than using new jutsu or sudden power-up that beats the crap out of enemy. That's what got me addicted to Naruto, but now it's just "Hey, my jutsu is much stronger or I've got a new jutsu for this occasion!" Kishi focuses too much on detailed things that I become sick of them. Naruto's oversized Rasagen or Sakura's inhuman strength punch isn't that much of big deal. no offense
Well, I guess the story being slow (which is an opinion I don't agree with) could be a reason. But all that other stuff you mentioned is just more of a "Naruto isn't interesting anymore" kind of thing. Doesn't dragging out mean taking too long to do a certain thing with the story??? If so, I'm wondering what people feel Kishi is taking too long to get to? Is it a conclusion to this fight? Because if the fight ended a couple of chapters ago, then THAT would have really sucked...

Or maybe I just got the whole "dragged out" term confused...

But I TOTALLY agree with what Cholisose said a couple of posts ago with the whole "something new is introduced in every chapter," because to me, THAT is a big reason why this Sasori fight has been so good...

mayumi

07-24-2005, 02:06 AM

i think its okay for anyone to like whatever manga they like. really, its a matter of opinion, what u prefer etc. just be happy with whatever u like since its only a manga in the end. there is no need to justify yourself for liking a manga, its something u just enjoy and want to see how either ur favourite character develops or how other character develops etc. naruto is really good in the character development area but again thats just my opinion. after all most of the mangas being compared here are shounen jump ones.

there are other mangas out there with other kind of development etc. its basically whatever is the manga that draws u in that people like to pick up, right? so just enjoy what ever magna u like. don't make it so u have to justify one manga over the other, its just people's preference.

as time goes on, one manga will be replaced by another one, it will keep on going. but i doubt everyone will be reading manga for your entire life. its just a moment thing, it will be fleeting, so when u are enjoying this time, don't make it so complicated. i for one want to finish reading naruto, no matter how many years it takes because i want to see how the characters develop. while i am interested in bleach it doesn't bother me if i don't know how it ends. one peice is also something i follow but not sincerely, i still want to know if luffy will get other crew members and when they will find one piece.

just enjoy yourself. don't make it so complicated.

Mu Dada

07-24-2005, 02:30 AM

I've been following the manga for a few years now, and I've been pretty happy for most of it's time. But I would have to say that it started loosing its strength during the rescue mission. And by now it is no were near the same as it was. Dont even get me started on the anime, cuz that just plain sucks. Not to say that Kishimoto didnt have this all planned out, but the current fignt isnt exactly anything new. It's been draged out so long that I'm starting to loose interest.

Any thoughts?

Yea i somewhat agree. The anime has absolutely reached an all time low. The manga however im still interested in, but its starting to be slow..hopefully some new revelations, characterization, and suspense will be added soon. I still have some hope for the manga...but have lost all faith in the sad state of the anime right now.. -_-

lajxiong

07-24-2005, 02:54 AM

I think Kishimoto still has the fire lol! As stated earlier, this particular arc is at a stage of fighting and one major element in Naruto is tactics. So I wouldn't be surprised if a battle stretches out a bit in order to fully stress the importance and results of tactics. I agree that each chapter is a bit on the short side but the story on a whole is very complex and that's all that matters. Plus, Naruto still has many many directions it could take. Some things that Kishimoto could totally throw in are: Naruto and girl drama, Jounin exam, War between countries (this would be totally awesome, I want lol), expand on Yondaime, the pasts of the early Hokages, etc. There are so many more questions and things left to be uncovered. I hope Kishimoto keeps the depth of the whole series alive, especially the importance of tactics (one hit kills and quick ended battles are a bit boring).

kapsi

07-24-2005, 06:15 AM

As for the Bleach comment: Well, yes.. it did start out slow and I tell people here and in my circle of friends that it doesn't really pick up and seems generic in the beginning (Guy kills evil stuff. Woo..), but as the story quickly develops
It develops? I guess I'll force myself to read the manga finally...

Blood Raven

07-24-2005, 01:20 PM

if Sakura defeats Sasori, i'm gonna stop watching the manga altogether, because that is just ridiculous.

Well I won't stop reading if that happens but I will become very frustrated and a little pissed. Sasori was able to defeat the strongest of Kazekages when he was just a kid and now he is slowly but steadily getting owned by a hag and a chuunin girl. I hope Sasori will kill Chiyo and leave the cave, jump up on Deidara's bird and leave together.

Sariachan

07-24-2005, 10:27 PM

Mhhh...since my favourite characters are Naruto and Gaara, and since my favourite ninjutsu in the manga is puppetry, the corrent story arc could become my favourite one...so now I'm loving the manga more than ever! XD

Merciless

07-29-2005, 07:03 PM

At the start of part 2, most people thought naruto would be able to defend himself from akatsuki solo, which does not seem very likely as he currently is.

I myself was expecting a more calm, and inteligent character, but naruto so far, seems to be more rash, and even dumber then before with his statements like "Gaara stop sleeping, omg get up you lazy shit, i cannie fight them all by my lonesome". I know gaara was his chum and all, but he thought sasuke was dead as a door knob, and he did'nt go all loco.

I liked the supersize rasengan and all.. but even that is kinda going backwards, since he needs a kagebunshin again..

the shurikan, was when i really felt naruto had been sent to the dogs by kishimoto, 3 years training and thats all he can produce when his friends eating dirt, when sakura was being crushed by gaara, he unleashed all the stops, 1000+ kagebunshin, Gamabunta summon, Combo henge, Naruto was pretty mint during this fight.

Im starting to think kishimoto is not giving the characters like naruto/sakura a decent range of jutsu's?.

The final chance(For me anyway) for naruto to prove he has become a decent fighter will be this deidara fight.

Anyone else think kishimoto has left naruto high and dry, or do you think he is not showing some possible new techniques of naruto's to highten the suspence for this fight against deidara?.

XxGreat Hokage NarutoxX

07-29-2005, 07:11 PM

tun

07-29-2005, 07:15 PM

This series has been going downhill since the end of the Zabuza arc. My expectations as well as others I'm sure are probably so low that nothing surprises us. The only real appeals right now are big ass battles and maybe a little romance for people who are fans of that. I'd also like to learn some more Naruto history(Something like Kakashi Gaiden) but it doesn't look like that's happening any time soon. This battle is being dragged out and beaten to death. People forget that even if they do finish the Sakura and Naruto battle, they still have to address Gai's team as well. This thing is one giant clusterfuck and I wonder how Kishimoto will wrap it up.

Haruno Tsunade

07-29-2005, 07:19 PM

Merciless

07-29-2005, 07:20 PM

i think ur right about some of what u said but not totally....i agree that we have yet to see naruto do anything jutsu wise new......even the large shuriken we have seen before....but naruto has developed alot from the other arcs....the way he and sakura spared against kakashi and they way naruto was more fluent and strategic shows alot of growth.....even his reaction time (like when he blocked chiyo-baa's kick) is alot better.....he still had to use a kagebunshin for the rasengan but the rasengan was much stronger then his previous one's (maybe = to pre time skip kyubbi rasengan) and sakura......well before this fight she really wasnt shit...but now even though she is being aided by chiyo-baa she has shown alot of progress.....and like kakashi said...not only can she manipulate her chakra well....and has the strength like tsunade...and the medical abilites...she is also a genjutsu type so she is a quadruple threat.........give it time

Even when he was getting the bells, it was the same old techniques. just used in a slightly new way, the end to that was pretty bad...tell kakashi the end, was really the pitz :(

Sakura has improved alot, but even her techniques are limited..mega strength is about all we have seen, though thats ok since a medical ninja is a support role, tsunade had the nerve scrambler or other techniques like the muscle ripper etc, which would give skura and even higher exhaust profile.

Woofie

07-29-2005, 07:22 PM

At the start of part 2, most people thought naruto would be able to defend himself from akatsuki solo, which does not seem very likely as he currently is.
People seriously expected that? O_o

I didn't, and I'm glad it's not true. Improvement is one thing, but going from genin to Akatsuki or above level in 2.5 years would be ludicrous, and the series would have to end very soon.

That being said, I don't think we've seen all Naruto has to offer yet either.

tun

07-29-2005, 07:22 PM

XxGreat Hokage NarutoxX

07-29-2005, 07:22 PM

Even when he was getting the bells, it was the same old techniques. just used in a slightly new way, the end to that was pretty bad...tell kakashi the end, was really the pitz :(

Sakura has improved alot, but even her techniques are limited..mega strength is about all we have seen, though thats ok since a medical ninja is a support role, tsunade had the nerve scrambler or other techniques like the muscle ripper etc, which would give skura and even higher exhaust profile.

yea i agree totally with you........personally i still stand that naruto has develop everything well and is just waiting to unleash new jutsu's and abilities....but they wont do that intill this story goes further....but i can respect what ur sayin bout the same old stuff

Merciless

07-29-2005, 07:23 PM

Naruto is the hero of this shonen, don't be afraid he will rox as usual :tem

I would have been disapointed if he had been able to handle an akatsuki member alone... I'm mean they represent the elite (1337 !!). It's no longer these 4 nins from the sound who needed to release this gay seal lvl 2 to fight konoha's chunin in 1v1 :amuse

In most manga's the good guys rise to the challenge, such as (here it comes) dbz..you have 2 months before aliens are coming 4 ya, train like a bat out of hell.

Were was naruto... is given 3 years, and so far has not done hardly anything, he has his special kyuubi ability's, and the only thing he's used them for is making his eyes more scary, and maybe increase his speed.

At this pace it just seems like naruto will be hokage in chapter 1500

Nick

07-29-2005, 07:24 PM

Well I think Kishi wanted to show Sakuras growth first (long overdue). Im sure we will see Naruto kick some ass later on. I also agree on the part that Naruto just goes head first in battle without doing anything useful. I know being hotheaded is one of his characteristics but he could show some more brains or so to speak.

All in due time I hope...

Lord of the Lock

07-29-2005, 07:25 PM

^I totally agree. Just give it some time and everybody will be rewarded with new jutsu. However, their growth over the 2.5 years can still be seen. Naruto, as seen with the second bell mission, can come up with a good strategy and his timing is much better and his use of kage bushin is superb which was stated by Kakashi. His only flaw so far is that he has gone kyuubi way to early even though Gaara was a friend. Naruto did go crazy when he thought Sasuke was dead during the Haku fight...that was the first time Naruto went Kyuubi. Sakura is now showing that she isn't the useless "sasuke-kun" cryer anymore. She has excellent chakra control which lets her have Tsunade strength. She is a medical nin and I bet that she can summon slugs now. Their growth can be seen...but if you are waiting for more jutsu, Part 2 has just begun. They will get to new jutsu but they have yet to face an opponent in which new techniques is necessary. The only thing that I have found bad about Part 2 is that Naruto does seem to rush into things still but this time it is understandable considering he believes that Gaara is dead. So far, he doesn't seem as dumb as before...but Kishimoto can prove me wrong

Merciless

07-29-2005, 07:27 PM

People seriously expected that? O_o

I didn't, and I'm glad it's not true. Improvement is one thing, but going from genin to Akatsuki or above level in 2.5 years would be ludicrous, and the series would have to end very soon.

That being said, I don't think we've seen all Naruto has to offer yet either.

I just ment defend, not really beat them, unless it's a lucky last ditch attempt with a mega jutsu.

The ability to escape genjutsu's etc, would have been nice, the ability at least to stop akatsuki from getting away with a technique like swamp of the underworld. But so far, Naruto has done little more then peanuts :(.

XxGreat Hokage NarutoxX

07-29-2005, 07:27 PM

Nakor

07-29-2005, 07:28 PM

i was kinda expecting it to turn out like this. naruto is not exactly the most clam ninja. his emotions tend to take control over him and they will continue to.

however, i personally wanted naruto to grow up a bit and control his emotions better and listen to his higher ups more. but i knew it wasn't going to happen.

Sakura has improved alot, but even her techniques are limited..mega strength is about all we have seen, though thats ok since a medical ninja is a support role, tsunade had the nerve scrambler or other techniques like the muscle ripper etc, which would give skura and even higher exhaust profile.

her super strength is really her only weapon now. if she were fighting an actual person she could maybe use medic jutsus against him. but since it's a puppet it really limits what sakura could do.

so maybe in the next arc we willl see more things sakura can do. instead of just throwing all her new things into one arc, its spread out alittle.

Haruno Tsunade

07-29-2005, 07:28 PM

Merciless

07-29-2005, 07:31 PM

all will be surprised when naruto calms down and takes the battle in his hands mark my words......but at the same time most anime characters are defined by a trait.......imagine vegeta not arrogant....or ichigo not moody....catch my drift....naruto is hot headed for a reason...he will get over it but certainly he still will have it in him

If he's a hothead and he wins = good
If he's a hothead and lose's = bad

Just he seems to get his ass handed to him, ever since the end of the gaara fight, which often makes him look bad

Woofie

07-29-2005, 07:33 PM

I just ment defend, not really beat them, unless it's a lucky last ditch attempt with a mega jutsu.

The ability to escape genjutsu's etc, would have been nice, the ability at least to stop akatsuki from getting away with a technique like swamp of the underworld. But so far, Naruto has done little more then peanuts :(.
Well, we haven't really seen him in action against anyone other than fake Itachi... against some of the weaker members he might be able to put up a good fight (I wouldn't expect him to be able to defend himself against Itachi yet). I guess we'll see in the next few chapters... :laugh It's a pity Deidara is so handicapped, so it'll be impossible to know for sure.

XxGreat Hokage NarutoxX

07-29-2005, 07:33 PM

We didn't see him really fight yet, we can't really know. :P

But what I fear is that he uses too much of his brutal abilities earned from the kyubi, rather than use his already well know creativity. I don't want him just to have his red eyes and long nails, his chakra-tail and run everywhere in a berskerk mode.... :huh

The advantage of the rasengan and kage bushin is that he must use these two moves in the most clever way to make them efficients. That's what made most of his fights interessant to watch

cant agree with you more....the way naruto uses his kage bunshin can get old, but that just in the anime cuz in the manga he doesnt use it 50% as much as in the anime (with fillers and such) but im hoping that naruto can use more justu's related to what jiriaya can do but not necassirly be like jiriaya (if that makes sense)....and maybe he can summon gammabunta and really fight alongside him (like jiraya or yondaime).

Shounen Bat

07-29-2005, 07:38 PM

until now in part 2, naruto hasn't really shown any creativity at all. he's obviously confident about his abilities, but theres really been nothing shown to back that up yet. i'm definitely looking forward to seeing how he handles upcoming battles, and i really hope that he does use more creativity and unpredictable tactics instead of just rushing in headfirst.

Merciless

07-29-2005, 07:39 PM

off topic.....lol the majority of ppl (including myself) arent giving any credit to deidara and figure he is gonna get his sweet ass handed to him....imagine its the other way around...my pride would be so hurt

Must take him ages to get clay, took naruto and chums almost 3 days to get to the sand village...+ more time to get to the akatsuki cave...

He might have to get desperate and look for somthing other then clay to chew up, spit out and then blow up.

AznGaara

07-29-2005, 07:47 PM

XxGreat Hokage NarutoxX

07-29-2005, 07:52 PM

im not annoyed or dissapointed with part 2....but if i had to complain about it i would say i felt ripped off with the whole fake kisame and itach thing.....i know they couldnt have been defeated so easily but still i was ripped off....but this is my last post for a few hours so if anyone wants to discuss this or be a friend hit me up on my yahoo name

Merciless

07-29-2005, 07:54 PM

I understand that Naruto himself isn't all that great in part 2, but again give it time, Naruto never fought anyone really. But noone actually comes out all crazy, fully going out unleashing all kinds of things just like that. What i'm is that theres more things ppl (aka Sakura) can do, its just the time for it hasn't come yet. And i'm sure the next chapter will show some new "jutstus" that Sakura can do. And the same goes for Naruto, Kakashi etc. so the whole thing about "their using the same jutsu but in a different way" is kinda pointless when you really haven't seen anything done. I'm kinda happy with part 2, the fact that its dragged, kinda annoys me but overall i'm happy with the progrees thats happened.

Naruto's ability's is just 1 factor, he gets aggro'd alot faster then p1, he has gone zerk, especially when he saw gaara, and he did'nt unleash any big jutsu, he popped a crappy shuriken, naruto and sakura vs kakashi, was just naruto using kagebunshin, all im saying is naruto has had a few times to show us his grow, and every time he's gone backwards, and has yet to show 1 spanking brand new technique. While sakura has show us her strength/healing ability's etc, but the show is named naruto and not sakura...which is why i aint to happy about naruto been given 2 hand treatment compared to the other characters.

Nakor

07-29-2005, 08:00 PM

Naruto's ability's is just 1 factor, he gets aggro'd alot faster then p1, he has gone zerk, especially when he saw gaara, and he did'nt unleash any big jutsu, he popped a crappy shuriken, naruto and sakura vs kakashi, was just naruto using kagebunshin, all im saying is naruto has had a few times to show us his grow, and every time he's gone backwards, and has yet to show 1 spanking brand new technique. While sakura has show us her strength/healing ability's etc, but the show is named naruto and not sakura...which is why i aint to happy about naruto been given 2 hand treatment compared to the other characters.
but sakura showed almost nothing during the first 200+ chapters. while naruto learned new jutsus throughout it.

so far in part 2, kishi is tryin to make sakura catch up to naruto, at least for a bit. im sure naruto learned alot more jutsus but he hasn't had the chance to show them off.

Shounen Bat

07-29-2005, 08:12 PM

yeah, naruto has definitely learned new jutsu, and it's just a matter of time before he uses them. however, unless deidara starts putting up a fight, i doubt that we'll see anything amazing from naruto soon.

AznGaara

07-29-2005, 08:12 PM

Naruto's ability's is just 1 factor, he gets aggro'd alot faster then p1, he has gone zerk, especially when he saw gaara, and he did'nt unleash any big jutsu, he popped a crappy shuriken, naruto and sakura vs kakashi, was just naruto using kagebunshin, all im saying is naruto has had a few times to show us his grow, and every time he's gone backwards, and has yet to show 1 spanking brand new technique. While sakura has show us her strength/healing ability's etc, but the show is named naruto and not sakura...which is why i aint to happy about naruto been given 2 hand treatment compared to the other characters.
Well if you think about it, Naruto didn't do anything "big" because Gaara was still there. If he had done something "big" it could have hit Gaara by acident, and therefore killing him. And at the point he didn't know if he was still alive or not. And since that clay bird still has Gaara in it's mouth, Naruto wont be doing anything "big" until he is out.

jesh

07-29-2005, 08:18 PM

I don't care at all, since to me this series is not about ''fighting strenght'' or anything like that. For me it would be interesting if Naruto lost all his abilities as a ninja, as long as the character is multidimensional and a good character it's okay.
And I personally find it amusing that people say Naruto is dissapointing in the part2 only because he hasn't shown good tactics in a fight and no new jutsus. You know, good characters aren't made of something like jutsus.

I like where Naruto is going now, the fights are a little bit boring now, but the overral way where the series is good.

TenshiOni

07-29-2005, 08:21 PM

You know, I think I'm going to start banning random people (not really) if people don't start using the damn search button again.

I'm about to trash this. Lemme find the thread. -__-

EDIT: Hmmm...seems like another mod trashed it.

Ah, well, continue your complaining.

hakke

07-29-2005, 08:30 PM

TRash! Trash trash!
*cheers TenshiOni into trashing the topic*

TenshiOni

07-29-2005, 08:35 PM

^I really want to, but people are free to bitch all they want. :(

Low-fi Boy

07-29-2005, 10:34 PM

Go ahead, its not the first time people complain about Naruto.
Ontopic, Mental you said so in the first post, this upcoming fight with Deidara will certainly display what Naruto's really learnt while training. Little patience is all thats needed. I think Kishimoto decided to just go with Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori first.

emma0

07-29-2005, 11:19 PM

i dont think we are inclined to say (for now) that naruto didnt have something to show that he have matured. we all know that he has a personality that is opposite t a real ninja.

in chapter 170, kishimoto showed us what is going on outside the cave. i believe thats a good transition for the next fight (naruto+kakashiVSdeidera).
kankarou and temari will probably help team gai.

i say be patient. we havent seen an all-out naruto fight. you probably eat what you (first poster) have said when we see naruto fight because its going to be the most kickass fight in this arc.

besides, it would be boring if we only see naruto do the fighting. i think this is one of the reason why naruto is not comparable to dbz. a lot of fights in the dbz always involve goku. in naruto, everybody fights and everybody has something to show.

just be patient. we will know soon enough!

9Tail-Hokage

07-29-2005, 11:20 PM

At the start of part 2, most people thought naruto would be able to defend himself from akatsuki solo, which does not seem very likely as he currently is.
And what evidence gave you this?

I myself was expecting a more calm, and inteligent character, but naruto so far, seems to be more rash, and even dumber then before...
Why does everyone want Naruto to change so much? This is who he is and how he fights. You know exactly what he's feeling when he feels it. It's just the way he is. You, and many other people, are a like a woman trying to change their boyfriends when they'll stay the same despite what you do.:smile-big :wink
...with his statements like "Gaara stop sleeping, omg get up you lazy shit, i cannie fight them all by my lonesome".
That's what we call denial. If you saw a close friend on the floor, motionless, you'd probably refuse to believe it as well.

I know gaara was his chum and all, but he thought sasuke was dead as a door knob, and he did'nt go all loco.
Eh? That's when he first went Kyuubi. He almost killed Haku.

I liked the supersize rasengan and all.. but even that is kinda going backwards, since he needs a kagebunshin again..
I see it differently. He can do a regular, powerful Rasengan with one hand. When you double a power like that I would imagine he'd need a kage bunshin. Him doing Rasengan one-handed and Oodama Rasengan with a kage bunshin is what I call progress.

the shurikan, was when i really felt naruto had been sent to the dogs by kishimoto, 3 years training and thats all he can produce when his friends eating dirt,
Naruto didnt do anything rash because Kakashi told him not too. Despite you calling him stupid, he was rational enough in thought to listen to Kakashi.

when sakura was being crushed by gaara, he unleashed all the stops, 1000+ kagebunshin, Gamabunta summon, Combo henge, Naruto was pretty mint during this fight.
Summoning Gama Bunta in a cave would be a little cramped, don't you think? You should know by now that Kishimoto, for some reason that only he and God know, made Naruto conveniently forget that he had even signed a contractin blood with the Frogs.

Im starting to think kishimoto is not giving the characters like naruto/sakura a decent range of jutsu's?.
Too early to show his hand in cards. Sakura has already shown us her skills and improvement while Naruto's only been showing us his technique refinements. He this good just by improving his old techniques, just think how great he'll be when Kishimoto finally shows us what he's learned.

The final chance(For me anyway) for naruto to prove he has become a decent fighter will be this deidara fight.
I expect Naruto to show me something as well.

Anyone else think kishimoto has left naruto high and dry, or do you think he is not showing some possible new techniques of naruto's to highten the suspence for this fight against deidara?.
So far it's the former but it definetly will be the latter later on. Kishimoto, seemingly, doesnt want to show what the main character has learned quite yet.

XxGreat Hokage NarutoxX

07-29-2005, 11:21 PM

no bitching here :-D

road_rash

07-30-2005, 12:30 AM

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STFU!!!!!!! SHOT PITCHING, WHINING, MOANING, AND COMPLAINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iF YOU REALLY HATE THE SERIES SO BAD THAT YOU JUST CAN'T KEEP YOURSELVES FROM SHUTTING THE HELL UP THEN STOP READING!!!! PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!!!!!

RAGING BONER

07-30-2005, 12:34 AM

none of this is news to me, ive always thought Naruto was one of the most uninspired characters in this manga or any other...
I really stick around for the parts when its NOT about Naruto and his stupid "cry me a river" story.

NarutoLegend

07-30-2005, 01:09 AM

we havent seen anything of naruto in p2. its just the beginning so stay cool. Naruto isnt naruto if he chance too much.

Mizura

07-30-2005, 02:04 AM

Was part 2 disappointing to me? Not really, until this particular fight started, and I was starting to find it Really repetitive and dragged out until chapter 270 (not to mention that is seemingly focused on the skills of the wrong people: the new minor characters, as opposed to Sakura who up till 269 didn't display anything she hadn't already pre-timeskip or at the beginning of this arc). 270 made up for it though.

Naruto though? Eh.

Though somehow... I don't think you'll be seeing the full extent of Naruto's capabilities Yet. Why? Simple: as the main character after all... he'll be having a Lot more fights later on, and he's got to save something for Later, doesn't he? Imo, Naruto still isn't a match for an Akatsuki on a one-on-one basis, which is okay since he's supposed to be in a team. However, this situation leaves for the most possibilities: if you can't overpower your opponent, you have no choice but to outsmart them sooner or later. Right now Naruto is just a bit too emotional to make rational decisions I guess (and people think Gaara dying, thus making Naruto go "all out", is a Good thing? Please, he might attain a higher kyuubi level, but you can kiss all those cool tactics goodbye). Against Deidara... well Kakashi seems to be the one who'll use his new jutsu first. Naruto's will wait I guess.

But apart from that, we haven't truly seen a "Naruto" fight. There were fights with Naruto in them, but that's about it: apart from Naruto in the genjutsu trap, he hasn't been the main focus yet, not in the way Sakura was in recent chapters, more specifically chapter 270.

And as I've said, since he's the main character and thus the one with the most fights later on... Kishimoto has got to reserve something for later on. It's actually harder to have "new stuff" for Naruto than for Sakura: Sakura didn't have her base abilities defined pre-timeskip at all, meaning medical skills, super-strength and dodging skills. So it's easier to have her show off, especially since these are entirely new sets of abilities, and can still be exploited in an innovative way later on (other medical abilities, Sakura's analytical skills), and Sakura might still have new things to show off (summons perhaps? Though I suspect she can manage minor summons right now at Best, but it'd still be something new. Then genjutsu? I think she hasn't been focusing on that, but her skills could still be useful against a decently high genjutsu user. Imagine her turning a genjutsu back at an opponent!).

Naruto though... he already has his sets of skills defined: kyuubi, kage bunshin, rasengan. He gets basics in other domains, yes: anti-genjutsu, and um... right. Only new thing now is "that jutsu". So Kishimoto must manage those in a way that won't make ALL his later fights seem repetitive. Meaning he'll have to save them. Perhaps at the risk of making Naruto seem dumb and not much improved now. At least there's a good excuse: Naruto is too emotional right now. But I wouldn't count him out yet. Wait and see, it took long enough for Sakura anyway.

Cholisose

07-30-2005, 03:23 AM

At the start of part 2, most people thought naruto would be able to defend himself from akatsuki solo, which does not seem very likely as he currently is.

<dies laughing>

No, seriously, that'd suck storywise if Naruto was that good. If he can handle himself against Akatsuki alone with just a bit of determination and a rasengan or five, it'd suck.

9TalesOfDestruction

07-30-2005, 03:36 AM

Honestly

yall complain too much sometimes.....Why does everyone expect Naruto to be super ninja all of a sudden???? we've seen him progress from freezing completely before a fight to being able to hold his own with the akatsuki.

Naruto all before this was fighting Chunnin level oppenents at the most, and Akatsuki are greater than most jounin. and he's still only 15, and someone who he considers one of the few people that can relate to him has been killed, so of course he's going to fly off the handle and not think straight.

the manga is focusing on Sakura right now, so you'll have to wait till atleast one more chapter before seeing naruto in action (if kakashi dosn't end it with "that")

and honestly if Naruto's growth hasn't impressed you, you must just have too high expectations. You must want superman as the main character or something where kunai's bounce of his chest or something....