Silver Surfer vs. Goku

[Literally Exaggerated]

I don't really know why I make these when tons of people who never read the comics will show up and start ranting about how Dragonball characters pwn everyone, but anyway...

Silver Surfer. Can move at virtually infinite speeds, can lift ridiculous amounts, is virtually indestructible and can restructure atoms to heal himself instantly, can manipulate force and atoms to the point where can drain the energy out of supernoves, destroy whole solar systems with a well placed force blast, break down or alter the atoms of his opponents, etc. Basically, he can do nearly anything he wants.

against

Goku. You know his powers, he can teleport, wipe out whole galaxies, move at light speeds, throw insane energy blasts, etc.

[Delta Shell]

Surfer wins, Goku doesn't have much on him..

Heck limiting Surfer to speed only, he gets this, never mind his other ridiculous powers.

[dmby]

this is ridiculus... SS owns gokus PLANET!

[Literally Exaggerated]

Yeah, thats mostly what I figured as well. I was initially planning to make this SS vs all of the Z fighters, but thought I'd first see if there were any compelling arguments as to why Goku alone could stand up to him.

[Gooba]

Yeah, thats mostly what I figured as well. I was initially planning to make this SS vs all of the Z fighters, but thought I'd first see if there were any compelling arguments as to why Goku alone could stand up to him.There aren't any, SS wins. Stronger, faster, more powerful energy blasts, and magic. And each of those are multiple orders of magnitude above Goku. I actually saw a site which proved Goku is not even close to Superman, and Superman is a flea compared to SS.

I know I am telling you something you already know, but be ready for 20 DBZ fans which will just say he is stronger/whatever or die then train and win. They are wrong. SS could probably take the DBZ Dragons.

[Delta Shell]

The DBZ dragons are pansies anyway. Piccolo Daimou killed Shenron with ease, way back in Dragonball and he's a relative weakling.
No idea about Porunga but I doubt he's stronger to the degree that it'd make much difference in DB land.

Unless you meant the GT dragons..which are just yuck..as much of a mess as GT is the dragons there are probably weaker than Bulma but stronger SSJ3 Goku.

No doubt we'll see those type of arguments regardless.

[Takuza]

well, I can asure you taht goku is stronger than superman! but if you could give me the link to that website that proved superman was stronger I would appreciate it. back to the main topic, I ahve never read or seen SS, but you made it seem like he is stronger than goku, unless Goku teleported away and just waited for SS to die. first time I have heard of someone being able to beat Goku.

[dmby]

Believe me, SS is just pathetically powerful.. like ... galaxy busting powerful

[Delta Shell]

You know, SS would outlive Goku don't you? Seriously Goku doesn't even have that chance..
Heck if SS was serious (since he moves millions of times faster than light) Goku wouldn't even have time to lock onto Ki.

Oh wait, that's right...SS has cosmic awareness, if Goku travelled anywhere in this Universe SS would find him (his only chance is to teleport to "another dimension" but really that's pretty much running away).

Goku is stronger than cartoon Superman, not comic book Superman.

[Takuza]

Interesting, but still, do you ahve the link to that superman thing? and also, what kind of villans does SS have if he is truely that powerful???

[dmby]

he only has one of the other giant galaxy busting superheroes like Orion.

[Delta Shell]

Lol, the thing is the Silver Surfer isn't anywhere near the level of some of the beings in the Marvel Universe, even though he's ridiculously powerful he's an insect compared to some other beings..

He started off as a slave to Galactus, who makes SS look insignificant. Galactus was the person who gave SS his powers (which were only a tiny fraction of Galactus's).
I mean the dude (Galactus) churns out such immense power that his diet consists mainly of planets..

...Galactus is pretty high on the pecking order but even he gets pushed around by one or two guys in the Universe..

Edit: I don't have the link to the Superman thing, sorry...i'll try and get some info though..

The thing about Superman is that he is sometimes badly written (or rather he's written by too many people), sometimes he gets Ko'ed by the moon blowing up, other times a blast that should destroy half the universe doesn't phase him..so it's weird.

[Tsukiyomi]

Surfer wins, most boring overpowered superhero ever.

[Gooba]

Surfer wins, most boring overpowered superhero ever.As opposed to the Hulk, who is the most exciting overpowered superhero ever. :thumbs that wasn't sarcasm

[korican04]

Interesting, but still, do you ahve the link to that superman thing? and also, what kind of villans does SS have if he is truely that powerful???
uhh galactus, eternity, people that can wipe out the universe :confused

Goku: i'll hit you with a kamehameha that blows up the planet.
SS: (ss goes to the sun drains it's energy hits goku with it or the sun explodes) flies out into another galaxy. :confused

goku is outerspaced-challenged. he has the power to go to toe with a lot of people before they actually bring out other powers other than punching and moving, but he can't survive in outerspace. He needs the planet. Even if he has the power to blow up the planet, it doesn't matter if his opponent can also and can just survive in outerspace, or fly through stars for that matter.

[Arilou]

Surfer wins, most boring overpowered superhero ever.

I've seen a few interesting stories about SS... Mainly they tend to involve things other than blowing stuff up though :)

[Shishou]

I hate Silver Surfer... Such a lame char.

So ima juss go out and say Goku would win, because no matter how strong the opponent, Goku always finds a way to win. So Goku would end up with the power to fart and make all existance be destroyed, if he had to fight SS.

[Donkey Show]

I hate Silver Surfer... Such a lame char.

So ima juss go out and say Goku would win, because no matter how strong the opponent, Goku always finds a way to win. So Goku would end up with the power to fart and make all existance be destroyed, if he had to fight SS.
LOL, Goku might see another moon somewhere and have his power be multiplied by a kazillion to become SSJ51985091941983274x54 in order to defeat SS.

All he would be is this immense mass of yellow hair that enveloped the universe. XD That's the only way I see Goku winning.

[junidaime]

LOL, Goku might see another moon somewhere and have his power be multiplied by a kazillion to become SSJ51985091941983274x54 in order to defeat SS.

All he would be is this immense mass of yellow hair that enveloped the universe. XD That's the only way I see Goku winning.


LMAO!! True True


Though, the only way I see goku winning is if he summons the eternal dragon to wish SS back to his own universe.

[Shishou]

He could use the dragonballs and wish for immortality/invincibility/eternal life and psychic abilities.

And train until he is strong enough... Lol. I mean, Goku goes up like 50 million in power level in 6 months.

[junidaime]

HaHa!


He Could Go Cosmic Mystic Super Saiyajin-1billion :nuts

[skippy]

The dragons can only grant wishes within their power, which though awesome is limited.

[Shishou]

They granted Garlic Jr. Immortality.

They juss can't defeat opponents who are too strong, or wish them away.

[Donkey Show]

Ugh... the black star dragonballs. Not canon at all. But hey, whatever, if they give Goku immortality, why they hell not, right? :laugh

[skippy]

Heh, that's what I meant. Anyway the silver surfer is prone to having his power stolen a lot so who knows Goku might just take his and then SSJ 293827 vs. weird coloured alien.

[korican04]

it doesn't matter if goku goes immortal with the dragon balls or goes super sayin 12321321, ss would then just turn him to stone, and goku can be immortal as a stone statue. is it ridiculous yes, is it stupid yes, but somehow they make good stories with him in it.

[Takuza]

uhh galactus, eternity, people that can wipe out the universe :confused

Goku: i'll hit you with a kamehameha that blows up the planet.
SS: (ss goes to the sun drains it's energy hits goku with it or the sun explodes) flies out into another galaxy. :confused

goku is outerspaced-challenged. he has the power to go to toe with a lot of people before they actually bring out other powers other than punching and moving, but he can't survive in outerspace. He needs the planet. Even if he has the power to blow up the planet, it doesn't matter if his opponent can also and can just survive in outerspace, or fly through stars for that matter.

If that was addressed to me, I never said goku could beat him.

[HollowDreamer]

goku of course why he wins cause hes a super saiyan

[Gooba]

He could use the dragonballs and wish for immortality/invincibility/eternal life and psychic abilities.

And train until he is strong enough... Lol. I mean, Goku goes up like 50 million in power level in 6 months.If we assume this fight happens before the universe collapses, then Goku loses at that rate,

[TheJudge]

Of course, Surfer wins. I prefer Goku over him, but Surfer is superior to Goku in any imaginable way, besides skill...

[omg laser pew pew!]

Of course, Surfer wins. I prefer Goku over him, but Surfer is superior to Goku in any imaginable way, besides skill...

Why did you revive this?

[master bruce]

I don't really know why I make these when tons of people who never read the comics will show up and start ranting about how Dragonball characters pwn everyone, but anyway...dude, I'm one of the biggest dbz fans.

I'll agree goku can go toe to toe with post superman, but surfer.Hell no!

Surfer is too broken.

[Birkin]

Silver Surfer is a jack of shit

That's why he wins. :amuse

[TheJudge]

Why did you revive this?

because i felt my opinion was neccesary:D

[Endless Mike]

because i felt my opinion was neccesary:D

Necroing is bad

[TheJudge]

Thats true.

[Graham Aker]

that means your bad

[TheJudge]

I am not necroing. I just saw a thread and responded to it.

[Dragon (banned)]

goku wins, via throws stone pillar 1000 miles. or goku wins, via little girl splits planets with punches.


naw really, silver sufer stomps his head in

[TheJudge]

Silver Surfer transforms Goku into dust in less than a second.

[Di@BoLik]

I want to see the website where they proved Superman > Goku.

[Zarigani]

Goku of course. He always come back for more.

[Havoc]

Goku of course. He always come back for more.

He can come back all he wants, he'll lose every time.

[swirls24]

Goku is like doomsday!.. gets killed, revives and becomes 10 times better than before.. you could only beat him once!..

[Orion]

I want to see the website where they proved Superman > Goku.

Go look at a superman respect thread and watch as all the dreams of goku ever beating superman fade away,with planet pulling,moon shattering punches,incinerating planets with heat vision hotter then stars,taking supernovas and planet destroying blasts without dying and many many more things,o and silver surfer wins.

[Havoc]

Goku is like doomsday!.. gets killed, revives and becomes 10 times better than before.. you could only beat him once!..

No, go educate yourself.

[TheJudge]

Silver Surfer is proven to be stronger and faster than Goku, big time. But lets SAY Goku actually was stronger and faster than Silver Surfer...

Goku wouldnt be able to damage him. Silver Surfer will just regenerate from the damage in less than a second and Silver Surfer would still be able to transform Goku to dust through the power cosmic.

[Blix]

Silver surfer wins terribly.

[Wesker]

I agree that superman is more powerful than Goku but I do not think silver surfer is more powerful than superman in his strongest form.

[Commander Red]

Goku won't be able to defeat Silver Surfer. But, will Silver surfer be able to defeat Goku? Goku is also very durable.

What about hand to hand combat which how Goku normally fights? Can Silver surfer keep up with his speed on hand to hand combat?

Goku won't defeat Silver Surfer for certain. But, will Silver Surfer be able to beat Goku? That is the question?

[Tash]

SS rapes him in every category. Not only that he's a fucking pimp, look at all that chrome.:nod

[Wesker]

Yes he will.

[Orion]

Goku won't be able to defeat Silver Surfer. But, will Silver surfer be able to defeat Goku? Goku is also very durable.

What about hand to hand combat which how Goku normally fights? Can Silver surfer keep up with his speed on hand to hand combat?

Goku won't defeat Silver Surfer for certain. But, will Silver Surfer be able to beat Goku? That is the question?

If he honestly wants to yes silver surfer could drop goku in a blackhole or something without much effort.

[Commander Red]

If he honestly wants to yes silver surfer could drop goku in a blackhole or something without much effort.

Well, I'm not 100% aware of Silver Surfer's abilities. If Goku is dropped into the blackhole, can he teleport out of there, or is it in an instance? otherwise, that won't work into defeating Goku.

[Havoc]

Well, I'm not 100% aware of Silver Surfer's abilities. Of Goku is dropped into the blackhole, can he teleport out of there, or is it in an instance? otherwise, that won't work into defeating Goku.

Goku will be ripped apart...

[Enclave]

Well, I'm not 100% aware of Silver Surfer's abilities. Of Goku is dropped into the blackhole, can he teleport out of there, or is it in an instance? otherwise, that won't work into defeating Goku.

Goku's teleportation requires taking time to lock onto a ki signature first and then teleporting. He would be dead LONG before he found a ki signature to lock onto.

Anyways, Surfer creating a black hole wouldn't be required (yes he can literally create a black hole and easily, he did so in Annihilation even before he got his power-up from Galactus). He could just transmute Goku into stone and then shatter the stone. There, dead Goku even if he is immortal that would take Goku out.

You need to remember one thing about Silver Surfer. His is the power Cosmic.

[Wesley]

IT + Armlock = Win for Goku.

[Commander Red]

Hehe, alright then, so be it. Silver Surfer will defeat Goku in a battle.
Not even Goku's Kamehameha or the Genki Dama/Spirit Bomb (which could contain the lifeforce from all of the universe) will at least give a scratch to Silver Surfer, will it?

Right, thanks for the clarification.

[Dragon (banned)]

Hehe, alright then, so be it. Silver Surfer will defeat Goku in a battle.
Not even Goku's Kamehameha or the Genki Dama/Spirit Bomb (which could contain the lifeforce from all of the universe) will at least give a scratch to Silver Surfer, will it?

Right, thanks for the clarification.

SS is gonna give goku 5 episodes to summon the spirit bomb? yeah i belivie that

[A]

Goku stiils Surf3r's B04rD ... Tehn wht?! HhU?

[Tash]

Matter transformation + Blackhole = Win for Silver Surfer.

Fixed it for ya.:)

[Enclave]

Hehe, alright then, so be it. Silver Surfer will defeat Goku in a battle.
Not even Goku's Kamehameha or the Genki Dama/Spirit Bomb (which could contain the lifeforce from all of the universe) will at least give a scratch to Silver Surfer, will it?

Right, thanks for the clarification.

Genki Dama can't contain all the lifeforce from the universe, that would kill the universe. It contains all the willingly given energy from the planet, yes the planet. If I recall the Genki Dama used on Buu was created from energy on Earth, if I'm wrong about that please show me a manga scan stating otherwise. Anyways, see that bold part? Ya, that is kinda key to what you just said. See Goku cannot forcibly take life force energy from people and animals and plants, he basically asks for it and they give him as much as they are willing to give and I assure you, a single planet isn't going to give Goku enough energy to even come close to taking out Surfer. Of course this is assuming Surfer even lets Goku gather a Genki Dama as it takes a rather long time, see in that time Surfer could transform Goku into a manatee if he wanted to.

Goku stiils Surf3r's B04rD ... Tehn wht?! HhU?

Movies lie, Surfer doesn't actually need his board.

[A]

For those which are not aware of what Surfer is capable of, check out his respect thread (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t459252.html).

[Darklyre]

If SS was feeling mean, he could just throw Goku into the Crunch.

[Havoc]

SS could fly into Goku 100 times the speed of light.

[Commander Red]

Genki Dama can't contain all the lifeforce from the universe, that would kill the universe. It contains all the willingly given energy from the planet, yes the planet. If I recall the Genki Dama used on Buu was created from energy on Earth, if I'm wrong about that please show me a manga scan stating otherwise. Anyways, see that bold part? Ya, that is kinda key to what you just said. See Goku cannot forcibly take life force energy from people and animals and plants, he basically asks for it and they give him as much as they are willing to give and I assure you, a single planet isn't going to give Goku enough energy to even come close to taking out Surfer. Of course this is assuming Surfer even lets Goku gather a Genki Dama as it takes a rather long time, see in that time Surfer could transform Goku into a manatee if he wanted to.

Yeah, I forgot to put the "Willingly given" part. Makes a HELL lot of difference. Once again, thanks for showing my errors again.

I'll have a look to the respect thread. A lot of information is stored there. Enough for writing a book?

[A]

SS could fly into Goku 100 times the speed of light.
Surfer have traveled ½ million light years in ½ second.
That makes him, 31,536,000,000,000 times faster than light.

[Havoc]

Surfer have traveled ½ million light years in ½ second.
That makes him, 31,536,000,000,000 times faster than light.

I didn't want to over estimate. xD

[Wesley]

Silver Surfer cheats. Goku's an honest to goodness fighter that has had the fortune of fighting guys that don't cheat. Much.

If Silver Surfer is barred from cheating, he'd lose.

[Orion]

How does silver surfer cheat lol.

[Wesley]

How does silver surfer cheat lol.

How doesn't he? The most hax Goku has is Instant Transmission. Everything else is geninune power output.

[mystictrunks]

Surfer's too much of a puss to beat Goku, Goku's too weak to beat Surfer.

Stalemate.

[Wesley]

Surfer have traveled ½ million light years in ½ second.
That makes him, 31,536,000,000,000 times faster than light.

He probably cheated.

[Darklyre]

Surfer's too much of a puss to beat Goku, Goku's too weak to beat Surfer.

Stalemate.

You must not have read the same Annihilation I did.

[Wesley]

You must not have read the same Annihilation I did.

I watched the Foxbox version of the Silver Surfer and he was just a big pacifist then.

[Wiser Guy]

Didn't Silver Surfer get caught in an armbar by the Black Panther?

...

Alright, maybe that has more to do with his jobber aura...

[Darklyre]

Annihilation Silver Surfer broke a planet apart just to teach Ravenous a lesson. He surfed the primordial energy of the Crunch and killed both Aegis and Tenebrous (Galactus-level beings). HE HERALDED RAGE.

[Wesley]

Didn't Silver Surfer get caught in an armbar by the Black Panther?

...

Alright, maybe that has more to do with his jobber aura...

It's canon. Armbar > Silver Surfer.

[mystictrunks]

Nope, didn't like the idea of the story. I don't trust Marvel events anymore so I'm not going to read one that involves a bunch of character I don't care for, especially when the "changes" won't last for any real amount of time.

[Enclave]

Nope, didn't like the idea of the story. I don't trust Marvel events anymore so I'm not going to read one that involves a bunch of character I don't care for, especially when the "changes" won't last for any real amount of time.

By the looks of things Marvel is going to be keeping the power-ups. There has been just too many cosmic level power ups lately. It's looking to me like Marvel has plans for their cosmic level characters to get a whole lot more impressive on the whole.

[mystictrunks]

Don't trust Marvel at all, don't trust DC either. the second a new movie or something like that comes out the cosmics will start jobbing like no tomorrow again.

[Dragon (banned)]

surfer is equal in speed to flash, or a little lower. meaning goku is screwed

[Havoc]

surfer is equal in speed to flash, or a little lower. meaning goku is screwed

Or, you know, a lot faster.

[Dragon (banned)]

Or, you know, a lot faster.

naw there about equal

[Power16]

naw there about equal

Which flash are you talking about?

[EdwardElric]

SS > Superman > Goku.

[Orion]

Regular ss<superman honestly because ss has a problem against people of supermans physical strength.

[neodragzero]

Regular ss<superman honestly because ss has a problem against people of supermans physical strength.

You talking about before or after SS becomes a herald again?

[Orion]

He always has,surfer always has a problem hanging physically against serious melee like thor and superman,surfer has tons of energy durability but people around supermans level getting serious physically and surfer usually gets shit kicked,far as I know current surfer is just surfer returning to what he used to be back in the day.

[Superrazien]

Surfer wins because of stupid writers. But we all know

SAMURAI JACK PWNS THEM BOTH! Why? Because he can drop a glass of water at waste hight and kill enemy's before it hits the ground, Jack pwns.

[SteelJack]

IT + Armlock = Win for Goku.

Slight problem there, Goku isn't black.

[Dragon (banned)]

Surfer wins because of stupid writers. But we all know

SAMURAI JACK PWNS THEM BOTH! Why? Because he can drop a glass of water at waste hight and kill enemy's before it hits the ground, Jack pwns.

im gueessing that is sarcasm. rep for you

[omgbbq]

Which flash are you talking about?

flash is the fastest being in existence of fictional characters

[Havoc]

He always has,surfer always has a problem hanging physically against serious melee like thor and superman,surfer has tons of energy durability but people around supermans level getting serious physically and surfer usually gets shit kicked,far as I know current surfer is just surfer returning to what he used to be back in the day.

That's because by the time Surfer gets serious he is already getting his ass kicked.

[Orion]

Whoever neg repped me without leaving a name,goku is a bitch and silver surfer and superman own him all day everyday that is all.

[Darklyre]

flash is the fastest being in existence of fictional characters

Zoom is faster. Canon, too.

[Power16]

Then there's Runner from marvel, Earth 1 Supes was faster than flash and who can forget The Shrike as you can see flash isn't the fastest fictional character in existence.

[A]

Zoom is faster. Canon, too.
Well, the Kingdom Come Flash is so fast that he's omnipresent, so he's faster.
But he's only omnipresent within that universe, so the Presence and other multiversal beings are faster.

[Green Lantern]

Please for the love of Odin don't necro post in curbstomp threads just to say that you agree with the majority...