Roronoa Zoro: How does he compare to Mihawk now?

[Nocmurc]

Do you think Zoro could give Mihawk a decent battle now?
We have seen zoro beats strong guys now, he could even make a wound to one of the Shichibukai when he isnt at at his fullest.

Not to mention according to random pirate during the Thriller Bark arc Kuma is the most feared Shichibukai.

Zoro's advantage is that he constantly battling big guys while Mihawk relaxing and not too often gets his hands dirty. people runs instead fighting him.

Is zoro close to Mihawk now? :nuts

[Dead Bones Musician]

I'd say he needs one more serious challenege (and I mean a serious challenge) and he's ready.

[Hagi]

He could certainly make Mihawk use his normal sword but we have no real idea the extent of Mihawk skills so it's hard to judge how far Zoro could push him.

I think Zoro's got alot more fights ahead of him before he finally gets to Mihawk so he'll most likely keep improving to the point where he himself thinks he's ready.

[speedstar]

i think if zoro fought mihawk rite now, then he wud do some shit tht mihawk would not expect, but in the end mihawk would return the favor

I say not redE yet
plus
REMEMBER:

Mihawk : "Come seek me out and I will be waiting for you in my STRONGEST form" -on the baratie

Zoro : "Not yet... I'm still SOFT" - in chapter 490

[diablejambe]

^You call that soft? Zoro completely misunderstood the meaning of the word soft.
http://img13.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000490/12.jpg

[Teach]

Soft you say :LOS

[Powdered Toast Man]

Honestly he still wouldn't be too much of a challenge, after seeing what some of the new World guys can do Zoro, and everyone else, has a ways to go. Close enough to make Mihawk own him with his Sword right off the bat yes, close enough to take Mihawk no.

[StrawHat4Life]

I'd have to say that since the story is barely half way through then Zoro is probably half way to Mihawk as well. I'm sure if Zoro used Asura right off the bat it would surprise Mihawk but only for the briefest of moments and then Mihawk would proceed to beat Zoro again this time with the black blade and not the knife.

[Turrin]

Zorro is pretty strong..enough to take out the second strongest of Cp9 and the legendary Zombie with brooks skill, but he still stood no chance against Moria or Kuma both of which probably aren't stronger then Mihawk who i believe is at least the second strongest buki in the manga and was powerfull enough to fight Shanks at least in swordsmenship. So i would say he would force Mihawk to use his sword but then he would be pwned. After another two big arcs like enies lobby or thriller bark he will probably be able to fight Mihawk, but not yet

[speedstar]

@ diablejamble and teach .. zoro sed it and hey, the man knows his own strength

[StrawHat4Life]

Zoro always has to have the mindset that he's soft because he knows no matter how many multi ton weights he can lift with his thumbs Mihawk is just that much stronger.

[Triggerhappy69]

Well, I have no doubt in my mind that he'd be able to shatter that little dagger Mihawk carries around, and perhaps even give him a cut or two. However, he'd still get obliterated by Mihawk's vastly superior strength and that black blade of his. I swear, that thing has to be made of sea stone.

Zoro has indeed become a hell of a lot stronger, but judging from where we're at in the story right now, I believe he's only half way there.

[Dead Bones Musician]

Well, I have no doubt in my mind that he'd be able to shatter that little dagger
That would be a great way to start the Zoro vs. Mihawk fight. Mihawk pulls out his dagger and Zoro shatters it with one swipe.

[MIHAWK]

Do you think Zoro could give Mihawk a decent battle now?
We have seen zoro beats strong guys now, he could even make a wound to one of the Shichibukai when he isnt at at his fullest.

Not to mention according to random pirate during the Thriller Bark arc Kuma is the most feared Shichibukai.

Zoro's advantage is that he constantly battling big guys while Mihawk relaxing and not too often gets his hands dirty. people runs instead fighting him.

Is zoro close to Mihawk now? :nuts

dont get too excited cause u will be easilly left down

OP is halfway,meaning it has at least 10 more years to go

and with TB lasting one year i really doubt it would be over in the next 15 years

zoro will find mihawk in the end,look at the facts,the strongest sword can cut anything,mihawk has the strongest sword meaning he is the world's strongest swordsman so that is why his sword is the strongest

so mihawk can supposedly cut anything,zoro before TB couldnt even cut air with every slash of his swords,he could do it only with pound canon,in the fight with ryuma he showed that skill

till now he can only cut steel with shiishii sonson,he cannnot cut steel with every slash or at least with other strong attacks

he cannot cut seastone and he cannot cut elelements

also shanks vs WB with a simple clash of unamed attacks they split the sky,mihawk>shanks,if mihawk was fighting shanks or WB the sky wopuld still be split

if zoro was fighting one of them would the sky be split or would zoro and his swords cut in 2????

zoro said it when he was lifting 4 tons with his hands,he is still too weak

dont get over excited,we have a long long way to go

if u see shanks using his ki and then read the YDB u can see that it states that zoro's demon ki can overwhelm an opponent with killing intent alone meaning he could make a fodder pass like shanks in theory

WB's ki in the YDB is said to rock the skies i think and that is what impressed ace

sou can see that zoro by using demon ki is now walking the same path that shanks and mihawk walked though they are at the end and he is in the start

[Shoddragon]

mihawk>shanks,

you still haven't proved this, and since you haven't, you really do not have the right to say it without evidence. Mihawk PROBABLY owns Shanks as a swordsman, but that does not mean he > Shanks. thats retarded. thats like saying just because Shanks locked swords with Whitebeard that Shanks automatically= or> whitebeard JUST because of that. you do NOT know anything about what happened after Shanks got his arm eaten by the sea king other than that Mihawk did not challenge him anymore.

In all honesty, I really don't care much for what people care in terms of taste ( you can like Mihawk all you like), but when your bring that and try to make it canon fact, it really pisses me off. Besides, I can also just come around and say Shanks> Mihawk BECAUSE he fought and obviously didn't die to WHitebeard, something I just do not see Mihawk even attempting. your like the people in the library who think Prime sarutobi>> JUST because he had the title of "shinobi no kami" and the professor, even tho no feats have been shown.

now on to the topic: obviously zoro would lose, but now your downplaying all the progress zoro has made. Its been over 400 chapters since Zoro first challenged Mihawk, give him some credit. he's gotten 3 or 4 new swords over that course of time (somewhere around that number I think). He would DEFINITELY stand a good chance because last time I checked, Mihawk is not harder than steel, nor can he use attacks which are propelled by air at lightspeed. And shi shi sonson probably isn't the only attack capable of cutting steel ( ESPECIALLY with his newest sword obtained from ryuuma). a rashoumon could probably be a bit stronger than an old shishi sonson that was used on mr.1, and asura would be like 8 times that. Mihawk WOULD be forced to try, as holding back would get him killed.

[Louis-954]

Do you think Zoro could give Mihawk a decent battle now?
Yes.

We have seen zoro beats strong guys now, he could even make a wound to one of the Shichibukai when he isnt at at his fullest.
No Zoro jumped Kuma when he was off-guard, Kuma was under the impresisionn the strawhats were dead/unconsios and Zoro got the jump. Yet even then all Zoro could do was cut his shirt. Granted Zoro had just gotten out of a series of tough battles and was not at 100%.

Not to mention according to random pirate during the Thriller Bark arc Kuma is the most feared Shichibukai.
Nah they just hyped him up saying he was violent, they didnt compare him to any Shichibukai.

Zoro's advantage is that he constantly battling big guys while Mihawk relaxing and not too often gets his hands dirty. people runs instead fighting him.
We dont know that for a fact. However we do KNOW that Mihawk tracked down Krieg and his crew to finish there bat...err massacre, and we do KNOW that Mihawk at one point seekd Shanks out regulary to fight, and we do KNOW that he readily accepted Zoro's challenge, and lastly we do KNOW that shichibukai actively pillage villages and engage in otherwise illegal activity as long as they give the WG 10% of there loot.

Id say Mihawk gives his skillz a good work out.

Is zoro close to Mihawk now?
Not close but definitely not someone Mihawk can take lightly., im sure he is aware of some of the people Zoro has defeated, like Baroque works, Mr.1, Tashigi, and most recently Kaku. And who know maybe even Kuma will tell mihawk about there meeting.

[MIHAWK]

you still haven't proved this, and since you haven't, you really do not have the right to say it without evidence. Mihawk PROBABLY owns Shanks as a swordsman, but that does not mean he > Shanks. thats retarded. thats like saying just because Shanks locked swords with Whitebeard that Shanks automatically= or> whitebeard JUST because of that. you do NOT know anything about what happened after Shanks got his arm eaten by the sea king other than that Mihawk did not challenge him anymore.

In all honesty, I really don't care much for what people care in terms of taste ( you can like Mihawk all you like), but when your bring that and try to make it canon fact, it really pisses me off. Besides, I can also just come around and say Shanks> Mihawk BECAUSE he fought and obviously didn't die to WHitebeard, something I just do not see Mihawk even attempting. your like the people in the library who think Prime sarutobi>> JUST because he had the title of "shinobi no kami" and the professor, even tho no feats have been shown.

now on to the topic: obviously zoro would lose, but now your downplaying all the progress zoro has made. Its been over 400 chapters since Zoro first challenged Mihawk, give him some credit. he's gotten 3 or 4 new swords over that course of time (somewhere around that number I think). He would DEFINITELY stand a good chance because last time I checked, Mihawk is not harder than steel, nor can he use attacks which are propelled by air at lightspeed. And shi shi sonson probably isn't the only attack capable of cutting steel ( ESPECIALLY with his newest sword obtained from ryuuma). a rashoumon could probably be a bit stronger than an old shishi sonson that was used on mr.1, and asura would be like 8 times that. Mihawk WOULD be forced to try, as holding back would get him killed.

look at this,will u?


Zeff: He's carrying his weapon on his back!
Cooks: Wha... No way! He destroyed that huge ship with just that one sword?!
Zeff: That's right... The "Hawk-Eyed Man" is a famous master swordsman. He is greater than any other swordsman in the entire world.


next time make the post smaller

and u say asura is 8 times that? asura is an illusio,demon ki boosts his power

and when he actually manages to cut steel with any other attack except shi shi sonson then we speak again

[saint_Reginold]

I don't think zoro would win yet. He still has a ways to go. We haven't seen any of Mihawk's techniques so who knows what he has up his sleeves. Not to mention, he is just as good as shanks. And we all know how strong he is.

[MIHAWK]

make the "just as good" into "better" and ur post is right on

[Jetstorm]

Zoro still has a ways to go but I think he could give Mihawk a decent fight for a little while. Of course he would go down when Hawk Eyes gets serious.

[Scarface]

he can't beat Mihawk yet, or at least he hasn't proved he can.

[DivineRiku]

Like everyone else said, he would suprise Mihawk and get pwned beyond belief right afterwards.

[Mugiwara]

I don't think Zoro would be able to win. It wouldn't be a pwnage such as when they first met, though.

[Shoddragon]

thinking about it now, Mihawk would probably be refreshed to be able to fight someone near his level again, and probably encourage Zoro to get even stronger. obviously Mihawk would win, but he would definitely find it more of a fight instead of practice or a chore.

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

I think Zoro is the best person and he will be the first to know if he can stand up to Mihawk once again.

Remember how Mihawk said that a first rate swordsman would have known the difference between the two of them without drawing out his sword ....

Zoro is a first rate swordsman now ... he still needs to go places before he can challenge Mihawk. Boy, what a match that would be :spaz

[MIHAWK]

I think Zoro is the best person and he will be the first to know if he can stand up to Mihawk once again.

Remember how Mihawk said that a first rate swordsman would have known the difference between the two of them without drawing out his sword ....

Zoro is a first rate swordsman now ... he still needs to go places before he can challenge Mihawk. Boy, what a match that would be :spaz

that comment about mihawk can now be clearly seen as a proof that oda didnt invent the ki over night:wink

and also zoro indeed knows better if he can challenge mihawk and he said it himself that he is still too soft and too weak

[speedstar]

i think Zoro might be able to land a hit (and cut) this time, then Mihawk shows "play time is over" and destroys, not kills, Zoro

[Dr. Hiluruk]

you still haven't proved this, and since you haven't, you really do not have the right to say it without evidence. Mihawk PROBABLY owns Shanks as a swordsman, but that does not mean he > Shanks. thats retarded. thats like saying just because Shanks locked swords with Whitebeard that Shanks automatically= or> whitebeard JUST because of that. you do NOT know anything about what happened after Shanks got his arm eaten by the sea king other than that Mihawk did not challenge him anymore.

In all honesty, I really don't care much for what people care in terms of taste ( you can like Mihawk all you like), but when your bring that and try to make it canon fact, it really pisses me off. Besides, I can also just come around and say Shanks> Mihawk BECAUSE he fought and obviously didn't die to WHitebeard, something I just do not see Mihawk even attempting. your like the people in the library who think Prime sarutobi>> JUST because he had the title of "shinobi no kami" and the professor, even tho no feats have been shown.


quit whining, silly. he's called the greatest swordsmen in the world. the end. who cares if shanks is stronger or not? both of you nubs. shoot.

anywho. zoro is beefy now. but, mihawk would still dominatrix him, shoot. zoro had to really try against some shoddy guys, and that shows he's still not there yet. definitly closer tho. he's getting there.

[*~*Nami*~*]

zoro has a ways to go. this is only the first half of op, so i another half he'll b 2x as strong... then probly.

[Unrivaled]

Mihawk would still pwn Zoro with the letter opener.

[Shoddragon]

Mihawk would still pwn Zoro with the letter opener.

it depends. thinking about it now, was the knife itself a high level weapon actually? Because the way it looked colored was like his sword. but if its just a regular knife, Zoro is going to slice through it. especially with his newest sword. Mihawk is going to have to use either his true sword or a higher tier sword than the knife. I think at that time zoro had just three regular katanas right? not totally sure. Mihawk still owns, but regardless Zoro wouldn't get raped or anything. I am sure he would put up a decent fight and Mihawk would probably comment about how strong ZOro has gotten.

[Unrivaled]

What? Mihawk's butter knife a "high level weapon?" It was "colored like his sword?" LOL no, Mihawk pwns Zoro with that Butter knife till he gets to the New World.

['REDHAIRED' SHANKS]

well, Zoro has come a long way from being wild-eyed at the rape handed over to him by Mihawk.

I don't think things will go the same way this time around. Zoro will atleast force Mihawk to get serious.

I think Mihawk will use his own sword this time ... at least in recognition to Zoro's dedication to the cause of becoming the best swordsman in the world :nod

[Shoddragon]

What? Mihawk's butter knife a "high level weapon?" It was "colored like his sword?" LOL no, Mihawk pwns Zoro with that Butter knife till he gets to the New World.
I was mocking your comment without being an asshole or flaming ( which is what you like to do). I am sorry but that knife is going to get shattered if Mihawk tries to hit it on zoro. in fact, seeing zoro's swords as being much mroe high tier than plain katanas, Mihawk himself would figure out the knife would be useless.

[Dragra]

He still has along way to go

[Unrivaled]

I was mocking your comment without being an asshole or flaming ( which is what you like to do). I am sorry but that knife is going to get shattered if Mihawk tries to hit it on zoro. in fact, seeing zoro's swords as being much mroe high tier than plain katanas, Mihawk himself would figure out the knife would be useless.

Mihawk is WHAT makes the sword (butter knife) not the other way around.
Zoro still got's ways to go.

[Shoddragon]

Mihawk is WHAT makes the sword (butter knife) not the other way around.
Zoro still got's ways to go.

but if the sword itself is too weak it won't matter. I believe the closest thing someone said to what it truly is is that a swordsman can cut certain amounts of things with any specific blade, but the more powerful the blade, the more things can be cut. some things just do have a limit. that tiny dagger, unless for some reason its a top tier weapon ( there is that possibility, since all the top swords aren't just katanas, there are probably half swords, sabers like Shanks', two handed swords like Mihawks, and others), then it will break. stop overhyping Mihawk.

as for the discussion, I believe the OP knows ZOro will not win, but is trying to find out how much better he has become. I believe he has come a long way, from being a noob and trying to test his skills against Mihawk only to find out he was nowhere NEAR Mihawk's level, to himself figuring that he can still get stronger, because it definitely cannot do harm to get stronger, even if for example, he could already beat Mihawk, it wouldn't hurt to go that extra step to be even stronger.

thats why I like current Zoro vs first few arcs ZOro. the current has developed an extremely optimistic attitude and knows not to underestimate his opponents. he went far enough as to promise to sacrifice his life so Luffy could claim the title of Pirate King, a title he knew was far beyond the title of WOrld's Greatest Swordsman.

[StrawHat4Life]

I think its safe to assume that in the proportion of how much a sword contributes to power versus the swordsman's ability, more then half of the true power comes from the swordsman. It's the swordsman who makes the sword. As was evident when Luffy was clueless when he was given a sword in TB and yet when he absorbed a swordsman's shadow he was able to wield it masterfully.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/476/05/

I think that ultimately at the highest levels it's a users Ki that increases his/her cutting power which is a technique that both Mihawk and Shanks have probably mastered and which Zoro is only beginning to channel (Asura is only the first step imo). I'm betting that Mihawk's ki/aura or whatever you want to call it is so potent that he could probably still beat Zoro even with the dagger.

[Unrivaled]

but if the sword itself is too weak it won't matter. I believe the closest thing someone said to what it truly is is that a swordsman can cut certain amounts of things with any specific blade, but the more powerful the blade, the more things can be cut. some things just do have a limit. that tiny dagger, unless for some reason its a top tier weapon ( there is that possibility, since all the top swords aren't just katanas, there are probably half swords, sabers like Shanks', two handed swords like Mihawks, and others), then it will break. stop overhyping Mihawk.

as for the discussion, I believe the OP knows ZOro will not win, but is trying to find out how much better he has become. I believe he has come a long way, from being a noob and trying to test his skills against Mihawk only to find out he was nowhere NEAR Mihawk's level, to himself figuring that he can still get stronger, because it definitely cannot do harm to get stronger, even if for example, he could already beat Mihawk, it wouldn't hurt to go that extra step to be even stronger.

thats why I like current Zoro vs first few arcs ZOro. the current has developed an extremely optimistic attitude and knows not to underestimate his opponents. he went far enough as to promise to sacrifice his life so Luffy could claim the title of Pirate King, a title he knew was far beyond the title of WOrld's Greatest Swordsman.

Strongest swordsman MAKES the sword!! Mihawk beating Zoro (with all three of his swords) with a toothpick was to DEMONSTRATE HIS STRENGTH! Mihawk raping Zoro like that was a strength feat. Zoro is not near Mihawk right now, I will give him till the New World! Because Going by story Mihawk > Kuma and Zoro couldn't beat Kuma.

[Mullet_Power]

Strongest swordsman MAKES the sword!! Mihawk beating Zoro (with all three of his swords) with a toothpick was to DEMONSTRATE HIS STRENGTH! Mihawk raping Zoro like that was a strength feat. Zoro is not near Mihawk right now, I will give him till the New World! Because Going by story Mihawk > Kuma and Zoro couldn't beat Kuma.

What point in the story does it say Mihawk > Kuma? To me Kuma seems like the kind of guy that any swordsman would have a rough time with. Kind of like Buggy's immunity to being cut or Luffy's immunity to blunt force attacks (Nami and Garp's punches aside).

*waits for the world power tards to jump on him*

[Unrivaled]

What point in the story does it say Mihawk > Kuma? To me Kuma seems like the kind of guy that any swordsman would have a rough time with. Kind of like Buggy's immunity to being cut or Luffy's immunity to blunt force attacks (Nami and Garp's punches aside).

*waits for the world power tards to jump on him*

Whitebeard is the Strongest Man in the world (closest to becoming Pirate King)!
Mihawk is the Strongest swordsman in the world (Rival or more powerful than Shanks)!
Luffy and Zoro are trying to reach these positions, considered the top among the world in the story.

[Mullet_Power]

Whitebeard is the Strongest Man in the world (closest to becoming Pirate King)!
Mihawk is the Strongest swordsman in the world (Rival or more powerful than Shanks)!
Luffy and Zoro are trying to reach these positions, considered the top among the world in the story.

Huh? What does this have to do with my post? You quoted me and didn't even respond to the point I brought up.

[Unrivaled]

Huh? What does this have to do with my post? You quoted me and didn't even respond to the point I brought up.

Yes I did, you asked what point in the stroy does it say Mihawk > Kuma and I said it has always been that way. Cause story tells us Pirate King and strongest swordsman are tops in the One Piece verse.

[jinjue]

Yes I did, you asked what point in the stroy does it say Mihawk > Kuma and I said it has always been that way. Cause story tells us Pirate King and strongest swordsman are tops in the One Piece verse.
No, it doesn't. Seriously.

[StrawHat4Life]

What point in the story does it say Mihawk > Kuma? To me Kuma seems like the kind of guy that any swordsman would have a rough time with. Kind of like Buggy's immunity to being cut or Luffy's immunity to blunt force attacks (Nami and Garp's punches aside).

*waits for the world power tards to jump on him*

It's no stretch to envision Mihawk being far stronger then Kuma. In fact its probably very likely so given Mihawk's place in the story and hierarchy of One Piece versus Kuma's.

[Mullet_Power]

It's no stretch to envision Mihawk being far stronger then Kuma. In fact its probably very likely so given Mihawk's place in the story and hierarchy of One Piece versus Kuma's.

But Kuma is made of an unknown metal that he may not be able to cut. Sanji says what I am trying to say best:

http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/One-Piece/414/003.jpg

Even though Mihawk is the greatest swordsman he still has a limit to what a swordsman can do in the OP verse. For example maybe Van Auger can shoot him in the head from beyond the horizon, what can a sword do? Despite the similarities OP is not DBZ the power levels aren't linear even the top tiers have weaknesses.

So even if Mihawk is far stronger then Kuma there is nothing he can do if swords don't effect Kuma.

[Shoddragon]

Yes I did, you asked what point in the stroy does it say Mihawk > Kuma and I said it has always been that way. Cause story tells us Pirate King and strongest swordsman are tops in the One Piece verse.

i was gone since wednesday and came back yesterday from ANime Boston 2008 ( life changing event I must say) and youv'e still been trolling and trying to argue with peoiple without using TRUE evidence? grow up dude/

[Dragon (banned)]

Shodraggon, you have no right to call ANYONE a troll.

And unrivaled, you are wrong. You have no proof that Mihawk>Kuma. Your just speculating and assuming that the worlds strongest swordsman>everyone except the worlds strongest man, which is an inaccurate assumption. For one, Kuma isnt even complete and he is already a beast, for two, we have yet to see hardly any top tiers in action. You, nor anyone can predict what ODA will do in the future. ODA cant even predict what ODA will do in the future. So dont try.

We know nothing about the Most wanted man, or the worlds strongest swordsman to put them ahead of all the other Sichibukais, Younkou's, Adrmirals, etc.

[Shoddragon]

Shodraggon, you have no right to call ANYONE a troll.

And unrivaled, you are wrong. You have no proof that Mihawk>Kuma. Your just speculating and assuming that the worlds strongest swordsman>everyone except the worlds strongest man, which is an inaccurate assumption. For one, Kuma isnt even complete and he is already a beast, for two, we have yet to see hardly any top tiers in action. You, nor anyone can predict what ODA will do in the future. ODA cant even predict what ODA will do in the future. So dont try.

We know nothing about the Most wanted man, or the worlds strongest swordsman to put them ahead of all the other Sichibukais, Younkou's, Adrmirals, etc.
as long as you make better posts like this I think you will actually gain the right to say that. I am glad you have finally seen the light. The thing is Dragon, speculation with no proof is what some people ( sorry to say but including you in the past) think= law. like canon> your opinion and junk like that.

The thing is Kuma was incomplete, and was a monstrosity. A fully completed Kuma could be at LEAST twice as strong. so its hard to say. although I disagree about Oda know knowing waht he will plan in the future. the mermaid making friends with Hacci? it was shown like half way through the manga on a cover story. Oda is an INCREDIBLE story teller. he planned it out around 5 years ago. speculating things and automatically assuming its true is an insult to Oda who carefully plans things out.

on topic, I do agree with strawhat. adding ki and such and true swordsman skills should make up about half of. the other half however, is the sword itself. obviously the difference between the swords zoro currently has and the basically regular ones he had back when he faced Mihawk have a huge difference. the difference between a regular pocket knife vs new sword obtained from ryuuma should be FAR FAR FAR more than the difference in skill of current zoro and Mihawk, which should definitely not be that that that far off. compare his growth to coby. he spent a couple of months I believe with garp and already learned SOru. For around the same time he was with Luffy and the mugiwara's he learned to cut steel, develop ki attacks like ashura, and other things like insane durability, willpower, and faith in his friends.

so the pocket knife should shatter or simply not be enough.

[MIHAWK]

ima going to sleep,i'll check this thread tomorrow

[A1zen]

well zoro still has a long way to go, he is well on his way. he could give mihawk a run for its money a bit. Maybe he can now hit a few decent hits, but beating him is still out of the question.

[StrawHat4Life]

For Kuma being such a beast you would think a half dead Zoro wouldn't have done as well as he did all things considered. Yeah Kuma's incomplete but the SH's were all thrashed when they fought him. Who here thinks that if Kuma appears in the immediate future he'll dominate as easily as he did before? Now who here thinks that if Mihawk appears in the immediate future that he won't easily dominate the SH's? Is it a fact that Mihawk>Kuma? No but based on Mihawks plot importance to Zoro's goal and his past feats and rep, it is entirely plausible to assume that Mihawk>Kuma.

[Tash]

Basically how he did against Kuma. He wouldn't get outright destroyed as of now, but he would still be the one fighting a losing, defensive battle.

[Mullet_Power]

For Kuma being such a beast you would think a half dead Zoro wouldn't have done as well as he did all things considered. Yeah Kuma's incomplete but the SH's were all thrashed when they fought him. Who here thinks that if Kuma appears in the immediate future he'll dominate as easily as he did before? Now who here thinks that if Mihawk appears in the immediate future that he won't easily dominate the SH's? Is it a fact that Mihawk>Kuma? No but based on Mihawks plot importance to Zoro's goal and his past feats and rep, it is entirely plausible to assume that Mihawk>Kuma.

Wait I'm confused, so cutting a guys shirt is considered doing good now? Also being half dead has never stopped Zoro and Luffy from not only fighting up to par, but often exceeding there normal powers.

[Unrivaled]

No, it doesn't. Seriously.

Whitebeard and Mihawk are the ONLY two characters with WORLD CLASS STRENGTH TITLES!:notrust
i was gone since wednesday and came back yesterday from ANime Boston 2008 ( life changing event I must say) and youv'e still been trolling and trying to argue with peoiple without using TRUE evidence? grow up dude/

*FACEPALM*.
Whitebeard and Mihawk are the ONLY two characters with WORLD CLASS STRENGTH TITLES!:notrust STORY WISE These are positions Luffy and Zoro are trying to reach which are at the top. Where the hell is Kuma in that equation? Story tells us Strongest swordsman > Kuma.

And unrivaled, you are wrong. You have no proof that Mihawk>Kuma. Your just speculating and assuming that the worlds strongest swordsman>everyone except the worlds strongest man, which is an inaccurate assumption. For one, Kuma isnt even complete and he is already a beast, for two, we have yet to see hardly any top tiers in action. You, nor anyone can predict what ODA will do in the future. ODA cant even predict what ODA will do in the future. So dont try.

We know nothing about the Most wanted man, or the worlds strongest swordsman to put them ahead of all the other Sichibukais, Younkou's, Adrmirals, etc.

Sigh, if you ACTUALLY READ MY POST I said going by the STORY it tells us that the strongest swordsman is tops in the world along with Pirate King. Story wise tells us Mihawk > Kuma. I never said this was definite truth but what the story is telling us so far.

[Mullet_Power]

Whitebeard and Mihawk are the ONLY two characters with WORLD CLASS STRENGTH TITLES!:notrust

Yes but Kuma seems to have a body and a DF made to fight swordsman. Much like how Luffy had a DF to defeat a Lightning logia. Power levels are not linear, if Kuma has a natural advantage over a sword user and is close to his level he could beat him.

Where the hell is Kuma in that equation? Story tells us Strongest swordsman > Kuma.

Kuma is just has known and feared as either of them. Lola new him by full name and by his nickname. He is more powerfull then Moria who fought EQUALLY with a Yonkou. He fought Zoro with only getting his shirt ripped. He dominated Zoro just as badly is Mihawk did almost 400 chapters ago. Also he did this after Zoro just got 2 major powerups (EL powerup, and new sword).


Sigh if you ACTUALLY READ MY POST I said going by the STORY it tells us that the strongest swordsman is tops in the world along with Pirate King. Story wise tells us Mihawk > Kuma. I never said this was definite truth but what the story is telling us so far.

If the story has taught is anything it is that titles don't mean shit. Luffy overcame a Shichibukai when he was an unknown east blue small fry. Just because they have a title doesn't mean they are invincible. Also by your logic Backbeard is weaker then Mihawk or WB despite him being the only person to scar Shanks, and that was without his DF.

[Unrivaled]

Yes but Kuma seems to have a body and a DF made to fight swordsman. Much like how Luffy had a DF to defeat a Lightning logia. Power levels are not linear, if Kuma has a natural advantage over a sword user and is close to his level he could beat him.

What advantage does he have over a sword user?


Kuma is just has known and feared as either of them. Lola new him by full name and by his nickname. He is more powerfull then Moria who fought EQUALLY with a Yonkou. He fought Zoro with only getting his shirt ripped. He dominated Zoro just as badly is Mihawk did almost 400 chapters ago. Also he did this after Zoro just got 2 major powerups (EL powerup, and new sword).

I don't see Kuma with World class strength titles! Luffy and Zoro is chasing Titles, not Kuma.

If the story has taught is anything it is that titles don't mean shit. Luffy overcame a Shichibukai when he was an unknown east blue small fry. Just because they have a title doesn't mean they are invincible. Also by your logic Backboard is weaker then Mihawk or WB despite him being the only person to scar Shanks, and that was without his DF.

No it just means Black beard was able to demonstrate his strength before White beard and Mihawk. Black beard is the strongest character shown right now. Until we see White beard and Mihawk in action they remain at the top right now cause they are what our main heroes are chasing.

[StrawHat4Life]

Wait I'm confused, so cutting a guys shirt is considered doing good now? Also being half dead has never stopped Zoro and Luffy from not only fighting up to par, but often exceeding there normal powers.

No, dodging every one of Kuma's attacks and still standing and fighting after an Ursa Shock at ground zero qualifies. After getting pounded by Oz, and almost dieing, no less. Tell me something how do you think this fight would go down now?

[Nuzzie]

What it comes down to is that Kuma is not a swordsman, and thus Mihawks title means nothing when comparing the two.

[Mullet_Power]

What advantage does he have over a sword user?

Lets see:

Body harder then steel *check*
Fastest character show so far *check*
Ability to negate all damage with hands *check*
Bility to create bombs that can destroy massive ammounts of land scape *check*
Able to shoot lasers that can melt steel *check*

Do I need to go on?

I don't see Kuma with World class strength titles! Luffy and Zoro is chasing Titles, not Kuma.

Well other then being a Shichibukai, and being stronger then Moria who fought equally with someone that has the same title as Shanks and WB, I don't know he just made Zoro give up...how many times has Zoro given up in a fight? Ohh yeah against Mihawk. Now compare Zoro then to Zoro now.

No it just means Black beard was able to demonstrate his strength before White beard and Mihawk. Black beard is the strongest character shown right now. Until we see White beard and Mihawk in action they remain at the top right now cause they are what our main heroes are chasing.

You do realize that Mihawk has fought Shanks according to WB. Also Shanks and WB have probably fought from being on rival crews. Yet Shanks only has two noticeable scars. One from saving Luffy the other from fighting a devil fruitless BB. I think it's safe to say that BB is on WB and Mihawk's level despite not having these "world class titles" you seem to think the OP power scale revolves around.

No, dodging every one of Kuma's attacks and still standing and fighting after an Ursa Shock at ground zero qualifies. After getting pounded by Oz, and almost dieing, no less. Tell me something how do you think this fight would go down now?

Zoro can't cut Kuma, he gets eventually raped because he can't even hurt him. Just because he was hurt doesn't mean shit. There is no way Zoro would ever use that as an excuse, so neither should his fans.

What it comes down to is that Kuma is not a swordsman, and thus Mihawks title means nothing when comparing the two.

Great point + reps.

[StrawHat4Life]

Yes but Kuma seems to have a body and a DF made to fight swordsman. Much like how Luffy had a DF to defeat a Lightning logia. Power levels are not linear, if Kuma has a natural advantage over a sword user and is close to his level he could beat him.

This is total speculation. How do you know that all Swordsman would have a problem against Kuma. Just because Zoro's Shishi Sonson failed to cut Kuma doesn't mean a higher level swordsman couldn't do it. When Zoro was inititally unable to cut through Mr. 1 did that mean that Mr.1 is a universal weakness to all swordsman. Of course not because its all a matter of the skill of the swordsman. Zoro discovered Shishi Sonson an advanced technique which was beyond him until that moment and which Mihawk and other swordsmen of similar caliber have probably already mastered long ago and taken to the next level. IMO Mihawk would have no problem cutting Kuma. That's just my opinion by the way.



Kuma is just has known and feared as either of them. Lola new him by full name and by his nickname. He is more powerfull then Moria who fought EQUALLY with a Yonkou. He fought Zoro with only getting his shirt ripped. He dominated Zoro just as badly is Mihawk did almost 400 chapters ago. Also he did this after Zoro just got 2 major powerups (EL powerup, and new sword).

One would think that most of the Shichibukai from the weakest to the strongest (BB being the only exception) already have well established reputations. That is a given. Whats your point?

It's convenient how you forget that Shusui is an untested sword that Zoro himself admitted would take time to fully master. Also you seem to forget that Zoro was avoiding everyone of Kuma's attacks and was still standing after receiving Kuma's onslaught and chose to accept Luffy's pain which is what laid him out ultimately. Mihawk beat Zoro with a glorified pen knife and made every attempt by Zoro look amateurish and left him with a permanent scar which still hasn't fully healed to this day. Please don't even compare these two encounters.




If the story has taught is anything it is that titles don't mean shit. Luffy overcame a Shichibukai when he was an unknown east blue small fry. Just because they have a title doesn't mean they are invincible. Also by your logic Backbeard is weaker then Mihawk or WB despite him being the only person to scar Shanks, and that was without his DF.

When has a Shichibukai ever not lived up to his reputation. You just don't give enough credit to the Sh's strength and the fact that every Shichibukai so far have drastically underestimated them.

[Mullet_Power]

This is total speculation. How do you know that all Swordsman would have a problem against Kuma. Just because Zoro's Shishi Sonson failed to cut Kuma doesn't mean a higher level swordsman couldn't do it. When Zoro was inititally unable to cut through Mr. 1 did that mean that Mr.1 is a universal weakness to all swordsman. Of course not because its all a matter of the skill of the swordsman. Zoro discovered Shishi Sonson an advanced technique which was beyond him until that moment and which Mihawk and other swordsmen of similar caliber have probably already mastered long ago and taken to the next level. IMO Mihawk would have no problem cutting Kuma. That's just my opinion by the way.

So my specuation is incorrect while your's is? Sorry that I don't think that something harder then the swords they use can't be cut. Even if it can be cut it still gives him an advantage against a swordsman since it takes much greater energy for him to be cut.

One would think that most of the Shichibukai from the weakest to the strongest (BB being the only exception) already have well established reputations. That is a given. Whats your point?

It's convenient how you forget that Shusui is an untested sword that Zoro himself admitted would take time to fully master. Also you seem to forget that Zoro was avoiding everyone of Kuma's attacks and was still standing after receiving Kuma's onslaught and chose to accept Luffy's pain which is what laid him out ultimately. Mihawk beat Zoro with a glorified pen knife and made every attempt by Zoro look amateurish and left him with a permanent scar which still hasn't fully healed to this day. Please don't even compare these two encounters.

Why can't the it be used as a comparison? I think having 3 named swords is a lot better then having 1 anmed and 2 random katana even if he isn't "used to it" so no I did not forget that. Also Mihawk made Zoro look like an amateur over 400 chapters ago. I thought that this fight would be very much like Mihawk vs. current Zoro. I do believe Mihawk and Kuma are on the same level. But I also believe that is because Kuma has a natural advantage against swordsman. Since he is a lot harder to cut the flesh and blood.


When has a Shichibukai ever not lived up to his reputation. You just don't give enough credit to the Sh's strength and the fact that every Shichibukai so far have drastically underestimated them.

Yes previous Shichibukai underestimated the strawhats. Meanwhile Kuma did not. When did I not give enough credit to the SH's strength? In fact I do believe I said "titles don't mean shit" in one of my posts.You aren't giving the Shichibukai enough credit if you think that because they don't have a "world class title" doesn't mean they can be as strong as Mihawk.

[StrawHat4Life]

So my specuation is incorrect while your's is? Sorry that I don't think that something harder then the swords they use can't be cut. Even if it can be cut it still gives him an advantage against a swordsman since it takes much greater energy for him to be cut.

No your speculation is just as valid as mine that's why we're debating. I just think that the Strongest Swordsman in the world who wields the Strongest Sword in the world has a pretty good shot at cutting Kuma. You at least agree me with me there I hope?

Why can't the it be used as a comparison? I think having 3 named swords is a lot better then having 1 anmed and 2 random katana even if he isn't "used to it" so no I did not forget that. Also Mihawk made Zoro look like an amateur over 400 chapters ago. I thought that this fight would be very much like Mihawk vs. current Zoro. I do believe Mihawk and Kuma are on the same level. But I also believe that is because Kuma has a natural advantage against swordsman. Since he is a lot harder to cut the flesh and blood.

I'll be the first to admit that Kuma dominated Zoro but it wasn't nearly the one sided curbstomp that Mihawk gave Zoro. At least against Kuma, Zoro was on his feet the whole time avoiding and counterattacking, granted it was all useless but Zoro was still actively fighting back. So I guess it just comes down to varying degrees of domination with the Mihawk fight being totally the most one sided encounter for Zoro ever.

Yes previous Shichibukai underestimated the strawhats. Meanwhile Kuma did not. When did I not give enough credit to the SH's strength? In fact I do believe I said "titles don't mean shit" in one of my posts.You aren't giving the Shichibukai enough credit if you think that because they don't have a "world class title" doesn't mean they can be as strong as WB or Mihawk.

Fair enough.

[Unrivaled]

Lets see:

Body harder then steel *check*
Fastest character show so far *check*
Ability to negate all damage with hands *check*
Bility to create bombs that can destroy massive ammounts of land scape *check*
Able to shoot lasers that can melt steel *check*

Do I need to go on?

Yes you do. What does that have to do with Mihawk's ability?:huh

Well other then being a Shichibukai, and being stronger then Moria who fought equally with someone that has the same title as Shanks and WB, I don't know he just made Zoro give up...how many times has Zoro given up in a fight? Ohh yeah against Mihawk. Now compare Zoro then to Zoro now.

And? Just cause Zoro has improved doesn't mean he is near Mihawk's level. Kuma didn't push him above and beyond the call of duty to increase in ability.

You do realize that Mihawk has fought Shanks according to WB. Also Shanks and WB have probably fought from being on rival crews. Yet Shanks only has two noticeable scars. One from saving Luffy the other from fighting a devil fruitless BB. I think it's safe to say that BB is on WB and Mihawk's level despite not having these "world class titles" you seem to think the OP power scale revolves around.

Yes, Black beard giving his background is on their level. Look at his history...The guy is the strongest character shown so far.

[jinjue]

Whitebeard and Mihawk are the ONLY two characters with WORLD CLASS STRENGTH TITLES!:notrust
If the story has taught is anything it is that titles don't mean shit.
And really, that's all that needs to be said on that subject.

[Unrivaled]

And really, that's all that needs to be said on that subject.

No not really....Luffy and Zoro wouldn't be chasing TITLES if that were the case.:notrust

[Kaenboshi]

He probably still not there. Then again, who really knows?

[jinjue]

No not really....Luffy and Zoro wouldn't be chasing TITLES if that were the case.:notrust
What does chasing titles have to do with anything? Besides, since when was Luffy chasing after the title of the "world's strongest man"? World's Strongest Man =/= Pirate King.

Either way, a title is a title is a title; nothing more, nothing less. That much should be obvious, even to you, Unrivaled. But perhaps I'm overestimating your capacity for understanding even basic simplicities such as that. Hmmm.

[Unrivaled]

You said titles don't mean crap and I proved otherwise.
You always lacked understanding baby cakes.

[jinjue]

You said titles don't mean crap and I proved otherwise.
You didn't prove shit. You just asserted that titles mean something again by offering some vague attempt at proof that really doesn't amount to much of anything. Even more amusing, what you responded with wasn't even factually correct as Luffy isn't chasing after the title of world's strongest whatever. Again, World's Strongest Man =/= Pirate King.

Remember, no matter how much you try to say something, Unrivaled, that doesn't make it true.

[Unrivaled]

Sigh, keep ignoring reality cup cakes.
You said titles don't mean crap, your saying Luffy and Zoro's dreams are crap. That's wrong right there in itself.
White beard is the strongest man in the world cause he "TIED" Gold Roger in a fight and is the closest man to One Piece. Pirate King is the strongest.
Try again buttercup.

[Canute87]

Mihawk wouldn't dare use his pocket knife against zoro if he wants to live.

Mihawk is still stronger but It wouldn't be such a one sided battle as was in the past

[jinjue]

You said titles don't mean crap, your saying Luffy and Zoro's dreams are crap. That's wrong right there in itself.
Strawman. When did I ever say that Luffy and Zoro's dreams are crap?

White beard is the strongest man in the world cause he "TIED" Gold Roger in a fight and is the closest man to One Piece.
Yeah, and? He holds the title of World's Strongest Man, but that doesn't mean that his title will amount to anything once a worthy challenger steps up. Nor does it mean that the World's Strongest Swordsman is his equal or just below. The simple fact that so many titled individuals fell to the might of the Strawhats shows that titles are fleeting and are not any kind of ultimate indication of absolute power. A title is a title is a title, and a title can be lost, taken away or disproven. Just look at "god" Enel for proof of that.

Try again buttercup.
If you think you're being clever with the cutesy pet names, you're not. Just wanted to let you know.

[Unrivaled]

Strawman. When did I ever say that Luffy and Zoro's dreams are crap?

When you quoted Mullet Power and agreed.

Yeah, and? He holds the title of World's Strongest Man, but that doesn't mean that his title will amount to anything once a worthy challenger steps up. Nor does it mean that the World's Strongest Swordsman is his equal or just below. The simple fact that so many titled individuals fell to the might of the Strawhats shows that titles are fleeting and are not any kind of ultimate indication of absolute power. A title is a title is a title, and a title can be lost, taken away or disproven. Just look at "god" Enel for proof of that.

No...were not talking about SELF-PROCLAIMED titles (Ener) we are talking about titles Anointed by God himself...ODA.

If you think you're being clever with the cutesy pet names, you're not. Just wanted to let you know.

What are you talking about now sugar?

[jinjue]

When you quoted Mullet Power and agreed.
Learn how to read. Seriously.

No...were not talking about SELF-PROCLAIMED titles (Ener) we are talking about titles Anointed by God himself...ODA.
Under that logic Gan Fall never would have lost his title to Ener in the first place. It also doesn't matter; if a title was an absolute indication of anything, then Zoro would never have any hope of challenging Mihawk ever because Mihawk has the title and Zoro doesn't. Also, also, there is no indication anywhere that the World's Strongest Man and the World's Strongest Swordsman are equal to or close to one another; it's all just speculation. So again, you prove nothing.

What are you talking about now sugar?
How about the fact that I marvel daily at how you haven't been perma-banned, yet?

[Unrivaled]

Learn how to read. Seriously.

Concession accepted.


Under that logic Gan Fall never would have lost his title to Ener in the first place. It also doesn't matter; if a title was an absolute indication of anything, then Zoro would never have any hope of challenging Mihawk ever because Mihawk has the title and Zoro doesn't. Also, also, there is no indication anywhere that the World's Strongest Man and the World's Strongest Swordsman are equal to or close to one another; it's all just speculation. So again, you prove nothing.

Luffy and Zoro are "equal in fighting power" and they strive to take those positions. Understand the story you love so much.

How about the fact that I marvel daily at how you haven't been perma-banned, yet?

I marvel at the fact how you keep throwing bricks.

[Mullet_Power]

Yes you do. What does that have to do with Mihawk's ability?:huh

Since you lack the gray matter to do 2+2 I will give you the 4's:

Body harder then steel *check* Swords are made of steel, makes it really hard to cut, probably would break your sword before you cut it.

Fastest character shown so far *check* That Makes him the hardest character to hit, Zoro only hit him with a damaging attack (to his shirt) when he came out of nowhere.

Ability to negate all damage with hands *check* That means that he can block ANY swordstrike no matter how strong with his hands to negate it

Ability to create bombs that can destroy massive ammounts of landscape *check* Means that he can cause damage big enough to destroy islands, witch is equal to the biggest strength feats shown so far.

Able to shoot lasers that can melt steel *check* See first point

Kuma holds a natural advantage over swordsman, that is the point I am making

And? Just cause Zoro has improved doesn't mean he is near Mihawk's level. Kuma didn't push him above and beyond the call of duty to increase in ability.

Right but the fact that it was a hopeless battle for Zoro this much later in the story means that he is on Mihawks level, since Mihawk was the last hopeless battle Zoro fought. Zoro only did better because Zoro got better not because Kuma is weaker.


Yes, Black beard giving his background is on their level. Look at his history...The guy is the strongest character shown so far.

Are you agreeing with me here, I don't understand? Since you agree doesn't that mean that Kuma could be on their level?

Lastly I will clarify something for you: Records are made to be broken, titles are made to be taken. This means just because you have a title doesn't make you the best, it means you haven't faced someone better yet, because there is some young punk hiding in the shadows who is better then you ready to take it away. This is a fact. If titles meant that with 100% certainty they were the best ever, then every boxing champion would retire the champ. It is no different in OP, that's why Luffy and Zoro can possibly claim the titles they seek.

Also a boxing champ will still be the boxing champ if he loses a wrestling match. Witch means even if Kuma is stronger or equal strength to Mihawk it doesn't mean that Mihawk could lose his worlds strongest swordsman title. Saying that Kuma can't be as strong as Mihawk because he doesn't hold the strongest swordsman title doesn't make any sense because he is not a swordsman. Also he doesn't need to be on WB's level to beat him because WB is on another level then Mihawk, if he wasn't then Mihawk would be the worlds strongest man. Think about what having a title means before you make your next post. I suggest you post manga feats if you wish to continue this argument.

You said titles don't mean crap, your saying Luffy and Zoro's dreams are crap. That's wrong right there in itself.

I'm sure that Luffy and Zoro realize that titles don't mean shit when it comes to a fight. That at any moment you can lose that fight no matter how "great" you are. That is why they seek there dreams, because it is possible. I said "title's don't mean shit" in a conversation about who is stronger then who in battle, I did not say "title's don't mean shit" in conversation about Luffy and Zoro's dreams. You do need to learn to read what the conversation is about before you put words into my mouth.

[jinjue]

Concession accepted.
That wasn't a concession. That was me telling you to learn how to fucking read because clearly your level of reading comprehension would be put to shame by a pre-schooler's.

Luffy and Zoro are "equal in fighting power" and they strive to take those positions. Understand the story you love so much.
According to what? A databook with mostly humorous stats that was obsolete almost the moment it was published, or a second databook that had no stats that was also obsolete almost the moment it was published? Nothing in the manga supports your speculation that Luffy = Zoro, nor does a single statement that they have "equal fighting power" from Yellow mean much because power is non-linear in One Piece in the first place.

I marvel at the fact how you keep throwing bricks.
Well it's a good thing you haven't much of a brain to damage with the threat of concussion, then.

[StrawHat4Life]

Since you lack the gray matter to do 2+2 I will give you the 4's:

Body harder then steel *check* Swords are made of steel, makes it really hard to cut, probably would break your sword before you cut it.

Fastest character shown so far *check* That Makes him the hardest character to hit, Zoro only hit him with a damaging attack (to his shirt) when he came out of nowhere.

Ability to negate all damage with hands *check* That means that he can block ANY swordstrike no matter how strong with his hands to negate it

Ability to create bombs that can destroy massive ammounts of landscape *check* Means that he can cause damage big enough to destroy islands, witch is equal to the biggest strength feats shown so far.

Able to shoot lasers that can melt steel *check* See first point

Kuma holds a natural advantage over swordsman, that is the point I am making

Kuma only holds a natural advantage over Zoro (and pretty much all of the SH's for that matter). Or rather Kuma only holds an advantage over swordsmen who are at Zoro's current level and below. You can't just say because Zoro had problems cutting Kuma therefore all Swordsmen would have the same problems. I'm sure you would be the first to admit that Zoro is not the end all be all of swordsmen, not even close. In the New World there are probably swordsmen who hold power and skill well beyond current Zoro and who aren't even in Mihawk's league. I don't see Kuma's hardness being a problem for the top tier swordsmen of OP whoever they may be.


Right but the fact that it was a hopeless battle for Zoro this much later in the story means that he is on Mihawks level, since Mihawk was the last hopeless battle Zoro fought. Zoro only did better because Zoro got better not because Kuma is weaker.

I would agree that Kuma is in Mihawk's league but I wouldn't go so far as to say that Kuma is Mihawk's equal combat wise. Mihawk's entire combat display consisted of him fighting with a glorified letter opener and only using the black blade once. It's premature to say that Mihawk would have any problems with Kuma whatsoever at this juncture. [/QUOTE]

[Dragon (banned)]

WTF is this shit? Get Zoro the fuck out of here. He may be able to polish Mihawk's boots, or give him a nice rub on the back. But your asking if he can challenge MIHAWK?!? This is absolutely ludicrous.

[Dragon (banned)]

as long as you make better posts like this I think you will actually gain the right to say that. I am glad you have finally seen the light. The thing is Dragon, speculation with no proof is what some people ( sorry to say but including you in the past) think= law. like canon> your opinion and junk like that.

The thing is Kuma was incomplete, and was a monstrosity. A fully completed Kuma could be at LEAST twice as strong. so its hard to say. although I disagree about Oda know knowing waht he will plan in the future. the mermaid making friends with Hacci? it was shown like half way through the manga on a cover story. Oda is an INCREDIBLE story teller. he planned it out around 5 years ago. speculating things and automatically assuming its true is an insult to Oda who carefully plans things out.

on topic, I do agree with strawhat. adding ki and such and true swordsman skills should make up about half of. the other half however, is the sword itself. obviously the difference between the swords zoro currently has and the basically regular ones he had back when he faced Mihawk have a huge difference. the difference between a regular pocket knife vs new sword obtained from ryuuma should be FAR FAR FAR more than the difference in skill of current zoro and Mihawk, which should definitely not be that that that far off. compare his growth to coby. he spent a couple of months I believe with garp and already learned SOru. For around the same time he was with Luffy and the mugiwara's he learned to cut steel, develop ki attacks like ashura, and other things like insane durability, willpower, and faith in his friends.

so the pocket knife should shatter or simply not be enough.
I appreciate your compliment. But, when have I ever went against canon, and speculated over proof? My opinion about Mihawk>Enel and Zoro is justified by ODA's word. You were the one who specualted in the past, with saying Enel can beat Mihawk, without even seeing what Mihawk can do. It was said, the worlds greatest sword can cut through ANYTHING and I take that as a fact.

@Unrivaled, concession accepted. Story has never said Mihawk>>Kuma, Admirals, BB, or any other top tiers. Yes, Mihawk is likely gonna be Zoro's final opponent, but you never know what IDA does with all these other top tiers. And, hell, Kuma can defintetly be one of the final opponents for the straw hats. Super android, goind ballistic, destroying everything in it's path. Brings back DBZ memories of the great Cell.

And your wrong about something else. I, DRAGON have the most feared title of being THE ONE AND ONLY "Most Wanted man", and Aokji has the title of the Highest fighting force in the Marines. So Mihawk and WB are not the only ones with world respected titles.

Before you post, I already know I won, so I'll jump the gun and say "Concession accepted"

[Shoddragon]

there could still be people stronger than WHitebeard just to let you guys know. Lets use a quick hypothetical, Son Goku ( dragonballz) is proclaimed stronger being in the universe, and has beaten contestant from many other planets. then out of nowhere Freezer comes out from small hole in the universe and simply dominates him ( lets say kills him in one punch). by the logic people like unrivaled are using, Freezer should have lost that battle just because of Goku's title. Title means nothing as it does NOT affect everyone's strength. a title represents something one has achieve, unrivaled, your acting like everyone who does not hold a title does not get stronger. zoro could lose to kuma in thriller bark and lets say 4 arcs from now kick his ass. stop doing things wrong.

I appreciate your compliment. But, when have I ever went against canon, and speculated over proof? My opinion about Mihawk>Enel and Zoro is justified by ODA's word. You were the one who specualted in the past, with saying Enel can beat Mihawk, without even seeing what Mihawk can do. It was said, the worlds greatest sword can cut through ANYTHING and I take that as a fact.

@Unrivaled, concession accepted. Story has never said Mihawk>>Kuma, Admirals, BB, or any other top tiers. Yes, Mihawk is likely gonna be Zoro's final opponent, but you never know what IDA does with all these other top tiers. And, hell, Kuma can defintetly be one of the final opponents for the straw hats. Super android, goind ballistic, destroying everything in it's path. Brings back DBZ memories of the great Cell.

And your wrong about something else. I, DRAGON have the most feared title of being THE ONE AND ONLY "Most Wanted man", and Aokji has the title of the Highest fighting force in the Marines. So Mihawk and WB are not the only ones with world respected titles.

Before you post, I already know I won, so I'll jump the gun and say "Concession accepted"

I said you used to speculate in the past. and the whole canon>your opinion was a reference to unrivaled.

[Unrivaled]

Since you lack the gray matter to do 2+2 I will give you the 4's:

Body harder then steel *check* Swords are made of steel, makes it really hard to cut, probably would break your sword before you cut it.

Fastest character shown so far *check* That Makes him the hardest character to hit, Zoro only hit him with a damaging attack (to his shirt) when he came out of nowhere.

Ability to negate all damage with hands *check* That means that he can block ANY swordstrike no matter how strong with his hands to negate it

Ability to create bombs that can destroy massive ammounts of landscape *check* Means that he can cause damage big enough to destroy islands, witch is equal to the biggest strength feats shown so far.

Able to shoot lasers that can melt steel *check* See first point

Kuma holds a natural advantage over swordsman, that is the point I am making

What the hell does this have to do with Mihawk's ability?:huh


Right but the fact that it was a hopeless battle for Zoro this much later in the story means that he is on Mihawks level, since Mihawk was the last hopeless battle Zoro fought. Zoro only did better because Zoro got better not because Kuma is weaker.

The bold makes no sense. If Zoro is on Mihawk's level Then that means Zoro is stronger than Shanks, etc.

Are you agreeing with me here, I don't understand? Since you agree doesn't that mean that Kuma could be on their level?

Lastly I will clarify something for you: Records are made to be broken, titles are made to be taken. This means just because you have a title doesn't make you the best, it means you haven't faced someone better yet, because there is some young punk hiding in the shadows who is better then you ready to take it away. This is a fact. If titles meant that with 100% certainty they were the best ever, then every boxing champion would retire the champ. It is no different in OP, that's why Luffy and Zoro can possibly claim the titles they seek.

Also a boxing champ will still be the boxing champ if he loses a wrestling match. Witch means even if Kuma is stronger or equal strength to Mihawk it doesn't mean that Mihawk could lose his worlds strongest swordsman title. Saying that Kuma can't be as strong as Mihawk because he doesn't hold the strongest swordsman title doesn't make any sense because he is not a swordsman. Also he doesn't need to be on WB's level to beat him because WB is on another level then Mihawk, if he wasn't then Mihawk would be the worlds strongest man. Think about what having a title means before you make your next post. I suggest you post manga feats if you wish to continue this argument.

I'm sure that Luffy and Zoro realize that titles don't mean shit when it comes to a fight. That at any moment you can lose that fight no matter how "great" you are. That is why they seek there dreams, because it is possible. I said "title's don't mean shit" in a conversation about who is stronger then who in battle, I did not say "title's don't mean shit" in conversation about Luffy and Zoro's dreams. You do need to learn to read what the conversation is about before you put words into my mouth.

I didn't put words in your mouth, you said your statement bluntly.
Why not try actually reading my posts instead of making baseless assumptions about Kuma being stronger than Mihawk.I said STORY TELLS US MIHAWK IS STRONGER THAN KUMA BECAUSE MIHAWK IS AN END GAME CHARACTER AND HE IS AT THE TOP OF THE HIERARCHY IN THE ONE PIECE VERSE.
That wasn't a concession. That was me telling you to learn how to fucking read because clearly your level of reading comprehension would be put to shame by a pre-schooler's.

Your wrong as usual princess.

According to what? A databook with mostly humorous stats that was obsolete almost the moment it was published, or a second databook that had no stats that was also obsolete almost the moment it was published? Nothing in the manga supports your speculation that Luffy = Zoro, nor does a single statement that they have "equal fighting power" from Yellow mean much because power is non-linear in One Piece in the first place.

How much more can you fail. Oda has written text blatantly stating that Luffy and Zoro are equals. And if you actually read the damn comic Luffy and Zoro fought once and they were evenly matched the entire time.

Well it's a good thing you haven't much of a brain to damage with the threat of concussion, then.

Throwing bricks as in basketball clueless.

@Unrivaled, concession accepted. Story has never said Mihawk>>Kuma, Admirals, BB, or any other top tiers. Yes, Mihawk is likely gonna be Zoro's final opponent, but you never know what IDA does with all these other top tiers. And, hell, Kuma can defintetly be one of the final opponents for the straw hats. Super android, goind ballistic, destroying everything in it's path. Brings back DBZ memories of the great Cell.

And your wrong about something else. I, DRAGON have the most feared title of being THE ONE AND ONLY "Most Wanted man", and Aokji has the title of the Highest fighting force in the Marines. So Mihawk and WB are not the only ones with world respected titles.

Before you post, I already know I won, so I'll jump the gun and say "Concession accepted"

No just no....Mihawk and White beards titles are world class not with in an organization. There is a huge difference.

there could still be people stronger than WHitebeard just to let you guys know. Lets use a quick hypothetical,

No, your already wrong. No one is stronger than White beard until he gets beat.

[Dragon (banned)]

^Conccesion accepted. You completely ignored Dragon's title of Most Wanted man.

And the marines are one out of three of the strongest groups in the world. If Aokji is the highest fighting force in it, im sure that is a world title. Actually for a damn fact it is. It's like you saying the strongest Schichibukai isn't a world title. Which it would be, since in your opinion Mihawk has that title.

Strongest SCHBK>Worlds strongest Swordsman. Because that would mean he is well rounded, and not just good at swords. So Aokji's title stands up there with Mihawks

[Unrivaled]

^Conccesion accepted. You completely ignored Dragon's title of Most Wanted man.

And the marines are one out of three of the strongest groups in the world. If Aokji is the highest fighting force in it, im sure that is a world title. Actually for a damn fact it is. It's like you saying the strongest Schichibukai isn't a world title. Which it would be, since in your opinion Mihawk has that title.

Strongest SCHBK>Worlds strongest Swordsman. Because that would mean he is well rounded, and not just good at swords. So Aokji's title stands up there with Mihawks

Most wanted man IS NOT A STRENGTH TITLE.:notrust
There is no strongest shichibukai.:notrust
Stop chatting crap.

[jinjue]

How much more can you fail. Oda has written text blatantly stating that Luffy and Zoro are equals.
Yeah, and? He wrote it in a databook, just like how he wrote in another databook that Luffy's dexterity was non-existent and that Chopper's strength/power/力 is equal to Usopp's. The manga clearly disproves that, just as it doesn't clearly support that Luffy = Zoro anymore, or the more ridiculously audacious claim made by some that Zoro > Luffy. You can dream and speculate and fap to the databooks all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that it is the manga and only the manga that is applicable when it comes to feats of combat, skill or intelligence.

But you know what? That's all I'm going to say about that. I fucking hate that subject because the fanboys and Zorophiles freak the fuck out and act like I'm anally raping their mother to death with a rusty iron mace or something, just because I state an observation pulled from the canon that contradicts their oh so precious databook stats and grandiose speculations.

And if you actually read the damn comic Luffy and Zoro fought once and they were evenly matched the entire time.
Yeah, way the fuck back in Whiskey Peak. How is that in any way relevant to what's going on now, almost four hundred chapters later? That's a rhetorical question, by the way, so I'd rather you spare us all the headache of your ignorance and not answer.

[Gunners]

I theorise that he is about 2/3s there, based on the new sword he got being a heavier version of the sword he received from his friend.

[Dragon (banned)]

Most wanted man IS NOT A STRENGTH TITLE.:notrust
There is no strongest shichibukai.:notrust
Stop chatting crap.

You never talked about strength titles, now your trying to change the subject. You were talking about world titles before. WB is the only one with a "strength title". Worlds most wanted man is a VERY respected title, and I rank it up there with WB's title. Mihawk's title doesn't really mean shit, except he is great with swords. Dragon's title marks him as the worlds most DANGEROUS and FEARED man. So, concession accepted.

I mean, how the FUCK can you not call Dragon's title a world title?

Highest bounty= The man, WG fear the most= WORLD CLASS

Jesus, learn how to CONCEDE. Your wrong like 80% of the time in this forum.

[Mullet_Power]

What the hell does this have to do with Mihawk's ability?:huh

Checking back into this topic for responses to my post, and all I got to say is:

:facepalm

[Shoddragon]

Actually Dragon's title SURPASSES Both Whitebeard's AND Mihawk's. Whitebeard isn't really a threat to the world government, and the shickibukai are a part of the world government as far as I know ( as is the Marine HQ). Dragon being the Most wanted man means he posses the greatest threat to the World Government, and since the world government is basically millions upon millions of marines, people who control world order, and other things as important, his significance>> everyone elses because its putting a threat on at least TWO THIRDS of the main powers in one piece ( shickibukai and the marine HQ).

so to say dragon is weak or useless or not as up there as whitebeard or mihawk is LAUGHABLE :laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh. Especially when he is far far far more wanted than the mugiwara or any other Pirate or possibly any living creature out there.

In all honesty, Dragon could VERY WELL be far stronger than Whitebeard yet was not given the title of World's Strongest Man for the sole purpose that if he was given that title, World's strongest PLUS world's more wanted, who would try to go after his bounty? pretty much nobody thats who. Nobody would go for such a high bounty knowing that he was given the title of world's strongest. and this could be the same for other's up there in the most wanted list. UNrivaled is banned but I hope you guys understand how foolish his claims were.

[Dragon (banned)]

Actually Dragon's title SURPASSES Both Whitebeard's AND Mihawk's. Whitebeard isn't really a threat to the world government, and the shickibukai are a part of the world government as far as I know ( as is the Marine HQ). Dragon being the Most wanted man means he posses the greatest threat to the World Government, and since the world government is basically millions upon millions of marines, people who control world order, and other things as important, his significance>> everyone elses because its putting a threat on at least TWO THIRDS of the main powers in one piece ( shickibukai and the marine HQ).

so to say dragon is weak or useless or not as up there as whitebeard or mihawk is LAUGHABLE :laugh:laugh:laugh:laugh. Especially when he is far far far more wanted than the mugiwara or any other Pirate or possibly any living creature out there.

In all honesty, Dragon could VERY WELL be far stronger than Whitebeard yet was not given the title of World's Strongest Man for the sole purpose that if he was given that title, World's strongest PLUS world's more wanted, who would try to go after his bounty? pretty much nobody thats who. Nobody would go for such a high bounty knowing that he was given the title of world's strongest. and this could be the same for other's up there in the most wanted list. UNrivaled is banned but I hope you guys understand how foolish his claims were.

I agree. Dragon may not be the strongest in the world, but he is the most dangerous. And dangerous>Strength. Who do you fear more? Osama bin laden? Or Mike Tyson?

The WG fears Dragon more than WB and Mihawk, regardless of titles. And I do understand how foolish the Unrivaled claims were.

[Shoddragon]

dragon could also have knowledge of where that weapon crocodile was looking for (pluton) or something. and in all honesty, indestructible ship>>> whitebeard. so yea.

[Dragoon]

he still has a long way to go

[Shoddragon]

I think people are underestimating a bit of how far he has come. he's made some AMAZING progress, from underestimating mihawk, to defeated a legendary swordsman, albeit a "shadow" ( HAHA SKULL JOKE HOHOHOHOH) of the true ryuuma because it was limited by brooke's shadow and the zombie's body.